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SpatzST:
i don't know what you guys are bickering about, but I think the answer to both of you is.... if you want the button to feel exactly like the original, buy the original cabinet. If you want something that will work like the original and happily let you play any game, buy a current generation leaf-switch.  Personally, I have the GGG true-leafs, and not that I am any type of arcade expert or was ever an "arcade junkie", but it works perfectly... it triggers every time i need it to, and I never get fatigue regardless of the game I am playing.

so I think the simple answer, once again is, if you want it to feel truly original, get the original, because no one button is going to cover all your bases.

leapinlew:
RandyT is right in that X2 made a goof by not configuring. Leafs aren't like Microswitches and require some tweaking from time to time. This is a rookie mistake. You simply put the metal pins closer/further apart for your personal preference for travel. For my defender setup, I have a very short distance of travel.

In a lot of games, I couldn't tell if it were Microswitches or Leafs, but with defender - it would be pretty easy to tell.

dkersten:
Hmm, I missed the show because I had no interest in leaf switches.. and the funny thing is that now that I read it, I am thinking about trying some out on my next build.. lol. 

While the following comparison is not specific to leaf switches, I think it fits:  I play a lot of Big Buck HD when out with friends.  After a while, pumping that shotgun gets tiring.  The guys who play competitively will figure out where the switch is and hold the pump handle just in front of it and only move a fraction of an inch to reload.  When I think about a leaf switch that you can dial in for minimal throw and get used to using a lighter touch with, I think about those people who play Big Buck HD competitively.  There is no question that if I could find that sweet spot and train myself to use it reliably, I could improve my game quite a but.  I imagine that in some arcade games this would make a difference. 

But at the same time, as soon as you start making your cabinet universal so it can play a wide range of games, all that benefit goes right out the window.  Some games you want to rest your hands on the buttons, others you don't get near it until you are ready to use it.  So unless you have a dedicated cab, just finding something that is intermediate to everything you play would probably be the best choice, and then it really comes down to reliability and preference for how it feels.

Regarding X2:  I am not trying to stir the pot here but after this and a couple other threads, I have come to the conclusion that X2 is that guy at the car shows who has a nicely restored car and many years experience in restoring cars, but nobody likes to talk to him because HIS way of restoring it is the ONLY way, and anyone who didn't follow his ideals of what the perfect classic car is, is wrong.  Plus while he has a thirst for knowledge and a decent memory, once he latches on to an idea it is set in concrete.  It might make him good at the hobby, but not particularly good at giving advice in the hobby.

And the following is directed straight at X2: Just because you watched "Rain Man" doesn't mean that every autistic person has some special ability to remember things.  Please stop saying "Autistic photographic memory".  Yes, I am offended - my nephew is autistic, my girlfriends son was autistic and died at 18 years old from a seizure, and I dated another woman for a few months whose 7 year old son was autistic.  None of them had the ability to remember everything they see, count cards at a casino, or be able to do complex math without a calculator.  Don't base your "knowledge" of anything on the few pieces of media you have come across in your life. 

As usual, just because something doesn't work FOR YOU, doesn't mean it sucks or is inferior.  You have a PREFERENCE, and that is fine.  You have an OPINION, and that is fine too.  But so do others, and from what I have seen here, most of them don't share yours.  If you keep telling people they are wrong when discussing matters of opinion, regardless of how many facts and how much information you based your opinion on, you are going to get "attacked", so quit being so surprised when it happens.

Why can't you just say "IMHO, I prefer the original leafs from games like 'XXXXXXX', and the reproductions, while an improvement in reliability from the original leafs of 40 years ago, just don't perform the same way."  BOOM, you stated your opinion, gave information that was useful to someone who is interested, and didn't offend anyone because you are just stating your opinion based on some substantial experience.  You're welcome.  :cheers:

Xiaou2:

--- Quote from: leapinlew on July 30, 2014, 08:17:38 am ---RandyT is right in that X2 made a goof by not configuring. Leafs aren't like Microswitches and require some tweaking from time to time. This is a rookie mistake. You simply put the metal pins closer/further apart for your personal preference for travel. For my defender setup, I have a very short distance of travel.

In a lot of games, I couldn't tell if it were Microswitches or Leafs, but with defender - it would be pretty easy to tell.

--- End quote ---

 You missed the Boat.

 Doesnt matter if you adjust it.  The travel can Never be the same as a real Leafswitch assembly.   It will bottom out, despite your best efforts to keep it from happening.

leapinlew:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on July 30, 2014, 04:00:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: leapinlew on July 30, 2014, 08:17:38 am ---RandyT is right in that X2 made a goof by not configuring. Leafs aren't like Microswitches and require some tweaking from time to time. This is a rookie mistake. You simply put the metal pins closer/further apart for your personal preference for travel. For my defender setup, I have a very short distance of travel.

In a lot of games, I couldn't tell if it were Microswitches or Leafs, but with defender - it would be pretty easy to tell.

--- End quote ---

 You missed the Boat.

 Doesnt matter if you adjust it.  The travel can Never be the same as a real Leafswitch assembly.   It will bottom out, despite your best efforts to keep it from happening.

--- End quote ---

It's a leaf - why would you worry about it bottoming out? For my configurations, I make the buttons very light touch to reduce the travel. Bottoming out isn't really a concern. Why are you so concerned about it?

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