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SavannahLion:
I don't understand the need for people to s p a c e their letters out to bypass the filter. Just type ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- and let the filter do its job. You can adjust the filter for your personal tastes while still complying with Saints wishes. :cheers:

ark_ader:

--- Quote from: keilmillerjr on January 14, 2014, 07:11:39 am ---
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on January 11, 2014, 10:55:11 pm ---Forget Linux, will it run Windows 98.

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Why in the hell would you want to run a 15 year old operating system?! I don't understand winblows people, where it's cool to keep running an older version of everything.  :dizzy:

Linux is free, usually uses s h i t for resources (quick), and you don't have to worry about tons of viruses like with winblows.

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This is due to the mentality of the gaming/classic arcade and noob community.  Linux used to be difficult to get working, say 15 years ago (slackware in particular) and that has been imprinted in their tiny minds ever since.  All they want to do is play mame in their cabinets, and windows serves this purpose.  The rest of the world knows the benefits that Linux brings, especially in the client/server realm and VM industry.  I agree windows as a client operating system has its merits, and we use it for the status quo.

Trying to change someones habit of a lifetime is a losing battle.  I totally agree that Linux too powerful for the plebs, and is reserved only for those professionals capable of wielding its power, even though we sometimes have to yield to windows in order to keep the plebs happy.  ;D

danny_galaga:
Linux is still a pain for MAME in my opinion. For people like Paige and I, we aren't interested in running NFL Blitz eleventy OMG!1!!11!. We just want a simple drop in OS (and then you can chose win98 or DOS), and if you are even more 'challenged' like I am  ;D, then MAME32 running on win98 is as simple as it gets. Then we can have at it on Galaga and Pacman to our hearts content. For people who DO want to run NFL Blitz eleventy OMG!1!!11!, when was the last time the Linux version of MAME was updated? If it's so great, and people who like Linux tend to be the types that fool around with code, why isn't it up to date? What's the point if it's not going to be the latest and greatest?

I'm not knocking Linux, even I was able to get it running via Ubuntu for my PC. But the application for MAME on LINUX seems to be this - older versions of MAME that people like to potter around with for hours/days. The end result of which will look and run exactly the same as if it were on NOT-LINUX.

If I could have new hardware that ran win98 properly, I'd be all over it. My cab now runs XP only because the old hardware died maybe 3 years ago and the new hardware that replaced it is too modern to bother with win98. Too many things just won't work. And actually, for me, XP isn't working 100% either. But my old copy of Win98 would be fine on the right hardware (no dodgy cracks or tiny this, or verify that. Win98 kinda predates a lot of that malarky). I know you would point out that with Linux, being open-source you don't have all that hassle either. But win98 on the right era machine would win hands down for simplicity.

And it IS cool to run older versions of everything! Why on earth would you be on this forum if you didn't like old things? It would be really cool to see someones 15 year old MAME cab that is still running the hardware from that time, hacked keyboard and all! I could counter by saying why is it cool to have the latest and greatest all the time?

I think it's a little snobbish to look down on people who don't want to use Linux, especially since maybe they have other skills a Linux Champion might not. This isn't a forum of just coders. Some people have other skills/interests. But obviously a common denominator is OLD arcade machines, and the emulation thereof. I am rather pleased with how my cab turned out for instance. It even won a MAMEY, even though *GASP* it doesn't run Linux with a version of MAME I compiled completely from scratch  :o

I forgot to address the virus aspect. There is none! If you build a simple MAME cab to play 80's arcade games on. Why on earth would it need to be connected to teh innerwebz?

Someone makes a Linux version of MAME as simple to set up as the MAME32 V78 I am now using (and yes, I have tried a couple of flavours of Linux MAME on Ubuntu and it was crap), and to run on a idiot friendly OS like Ubuntu, I'll use that. So long as Mala works in Linux too...

ark_ader:
As ever Danny you make a very good point.  Windows 98 just works, especially those with pre 2000 computers with hacked keyboards.  The problem with Linux is the ever enlarging collection of experiences we have with the OS than say windows, that mame is just another application to run.

Windows dumbs down the computing experience.  Most of us is past playing games to be more productive at designing games or emulators.  You do not get that sense of power working on a windows box.  The world is finally catching up to the Linux phenomena, and it is too late.  Mame is just another emulator of several, stored on a VM.

I managed to get windows 98se to run OK on my main machine.  Install it on a VM, then run the VHD with plop. Make sure you install the non-offical service pack to get around the memory issue.  Try it!  ;D

Grasshopper:
If the $60 figure is correct (which to be honest I doubt) then it sounds ludicrously overpriced to me. On paper, this device appears to be about the same speed as the Raspberry Pi, which as least has a powerful GPU to compensate for its slow processor. And the RPi itself is beginning to look very underpowered/overpriced compared to the newer SOCs coming out of China.

Also, bear in mind it's $60 for OEMs so it will be significantly more expensive for consumers. You can buy a similarly powered RPI and a much faster BBB for about $30. And the Android Media players from China are ever better value.

Frankly, Intel should be doing a lot better than this. They've got a vast amount of cash to spend on R&D, and their fabrication technology is the best in the industry. However, when it comes to mobile technology they're not even in the game.

I think part of the problem is their unwillingness to give up on the antiquated X86 instruction set. I mean it was hardly state of the art in the early 80s. The only reason to stick with X86 technology is Windows compatibility. And the only versions of Windows that matter (the desktop versions) won't run on mobile devices.

I suppose, in theory, you could get hold of an old Windows 98 licence and run that OS on this device. But in practice, you'll have practically zero chance of finding Win 98 compatible drivers, and M$ is certainly not going to help you out.

A better option might be Android, which is of course (sort of) Linux but more user friendly. There are already several versions of MAME for android, and from what I've been reading they're pretty decent.

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