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shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on August 12, 2014, 12:51:34 pm --- But if thats the case.. why are you even here?
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What is the name of this web site?


--- Quote --- I know what you mean, about for example... the level of work and craftsman ship that goes into a detailed oil painting or sculpture.   However, these CAN be put into a game...   and they can be interactive.  Unlike just viewing something static.    The game allows you to experience a story, a range of feelings and expressions... that no static work allows.  And even movies, with their amazing acting and content... are still a bit static in their nature.   Where as games are truly a media of the fullest potential for full range creative expression.
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First of all, I think that games are a poor story-telling medium; arcade games especially.  Nobody plays space invaders because they are enthralled by the backstory of intergalactic politics leading to an alien invasion of planet earth.

Second of all, my definition of "art" includes intent as much as craftsmanship.  If it were craftsmanship alone that defined art, then every iPod, television set or desktop computer would qualify as an art object.  But when was the last time you looked at a Dell computer and said, "wow, that's a fantastic piece of art!"

That's why I exclude video games (mostly) and especially so exclude arcade games.  Arcade games are mass-produced commercial time-wasters designed for little else than separating individuals from their pocket change.  In that sense, an arcade machine is no more an example of "art" than a love tester or slot machine.


--- Quote --- Ice Sculptures, Chalk drawings, art performances.. are all captured in various media.  Video, Photos...etc.   And could even be captures in full on 3d, using special scanners...  again, if there was enough care to do so.
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If you're concerned with recordings of live art performances (say, a play), then I think you're missing the inherent reason live performance exists in the first place.


--- Quote ---Memory is not good an an Archival format.  Not at all.
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Memories of experiences is what shapes the human mind.   And memories of experiences capture emotions in ways that an artificial reproduction never could.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: dkersten on August 12, 2014, 01:21:54 pm ---Another example, you have this very grand sense of how epic arcade games were, but if you experience one after a couple decades, even one in pristine condition, it won't invoke the same feelings it did for you 20 years ago.  In fact, you will likely be disappointed.

Some things are far better left solely in our minds.
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Very true.  I loved Saved by the Bell growing up.  Then I watched it when I got older; my gods, it's a terrible show.

dkersten:

--- Quote ---I loved Saved by the Bell growing up.  Then I watched it when I got older; my gods, it's a terrible show
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lol, I was such a huge Dukes of Hazzard and Knight Rider fan, but I can't even watch 5 minutes of either show now, which can be found running on cable almost 24x7 these days.

Dr. Morbis:
Alright, I finally got around to making a video for geecab.  I don't know how to embed, but here's the link:



Couple things to note: first, sorry for the utterly horrible video quality, but I only had a $20 camera available and I figured that this was better than nothing.  Also, it looks like the last six lights are red, not four as I previously stated; chalk that up to me not being really able to see what's going on to the left of the monitor while I'm concentrating so hard on what's happening on the screen whenever I play.  And finally, the reason I wasn't awarded a 200 point bonus for passing that car on the bridge is because I was wobbling (from touching the yellow line 'shoulder') while I was passing him - it has to be a clean pass to get the bonus.  Had I passed him cleanly, one of the bottom row of lights would have lit up on the bottom row immediately and the red '+200' would have flashed on the screen as soon as I had completed the pass.  And speaking of the little red '+200', it looks like it appears higher on the screen than I realized; you can see from the video that it appears just beneath where the GAME OVER and EXTENDED messages flash on the screen.  I think that's it, any other questions, feel free to ask...

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---What is the name of this web site?

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 bonjourmama.com  ?   ;D


--- Quote ---First of all, I think that games are a poor story-telling medium; arcade games especially.  Nobody plays space invaders because they are enthralled by the backstory of intergalactic politics leading to an alien invasion of planet earth.
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 Games can in fact be great storytelling devices.   I guess you have Never played an RPG ?

 Then you have.. "Target Earth" (Sega Genesis)  - Which is primarily an action game... has snipits of story that pop up along the way... building the story up to the final confrontation... where you learn who is behind the attacks and most importantly.. Why.

 You have games like Phantasy Star, for the SMS...  which has a great story, thats highly creative.  (none of the rest in the series that Ive played, ever came close to even matching it.

 You go further... and you have games like Lunar... which is a RPG, that has animated cut-scenes with actual recorded vocals.

 My guess... is that you are trying to compare the depths to that of a Book...
But what exactly IS the purpose of most books?   Part of it is an adventure.  Part of it is emotional responses.  But in the end.. its a ride as well as coften... a lesson in morals.   All of that can, and has been done with Video Games.

 Space Invaders .. not so much.  But... todays version of space invaders?  Could actually pull it off.  Then again... thats pretty much what Target Earth was... with a lot more gameplay to boot.

 Games can present the same level of depth and experience found in any book or film... as it can produce a several books worth of text... as well as a full on movie ... with the entire soundtrack...   all of these.. and a lot more.
 
 

--- Quote ---Second of all, my definition of "art" includes intent as much as craftsmanship.  If it were craftsmanship alone that defined art, then every iPod, television set or desktop computer would qualify as an art object.  But when was the last time you looked at a Dell computer and said, "wow, that's a fantastic piece of art!"

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  There Are in fact many things people collect, and they consider them works of art.

 A Pinball machine is a Kinetic and Interactive Sculpture.   The playfield on a Theatre of Magic... has an inked drawing on it, thats been expertly created &  shaded, by a true artist.  The very gameplay, a work of Genius..  in compositional skill.  The colors, look, and parts... all matching expertly... by that artists eye.   Many specialized assemblies designed and built to solve problems.  Vocal actors, Animations, sound effects, and original musical compositions.

 Discs of Tron?  Ever see that Beauty?   No Dell PC is going to touch that in a comparison.

 Journey?  Great use of vivid colors, on its artwork.

 A Dell PC isnt typically going to have a piece of hand drawn artwork slapped onto it...

 A vid game is just as capable of beauty as a hand built piece of furniture.   Generally it wont.. but it Can be done.


--- Quote ---That's why I exclude video games (mostly) and especially so exclude arcade games.  Arcade games are mass-produced commercial time-wasters designed for little else than separating individuals from their pocket change.  In that sense, an arcade machine is no more an example of "art" than a love tester or slot machine.
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 Disagree.

 Time wasters?   What ISNT a time waster?    And what do you consider worthy of burning your time?

 You sound as adventurous as a Fish in a Fishbowl.

 A game is designed for fantasy and fun... just like EVERY other form of entertainment out there.   Same as books and movies..  you have to PAY to read and or experience that media.

 Theater, Dancing, Singing..  all the same.  Media you pay to hear & see.

 You went to the Museum?   You could easily say that you wasted your time.. and were separated from your money.    Paintings are almost all made to be sold... just like nearly most ever style of art.


--- Quote ---If you're concerned with recordings of live art performances (say, a play), then I think you're missing the inherent reason live performance exists in the first place.
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 You are making way too many assumptions.   A live art piece could be done for a cause.. such as to spread awareness.
It could also be just to express whatever it desires.. and any way shape or form.. and it could even incorporate video games , and or video game material into it.

 While there are many things that dont feel, look, or sound as good as really being there...  thats fading away,  as the advent of Stereoscopic 3d is being done extremely well.. and 3d holographic audio..  is also a reality.   You can get the same or BETTER experience, without having to exit your house.


--- Quote ---Memories of experiences is what shapes the human mind.   And memories of experiences capture emotions in ways that an artificial reproduction never could
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 If you can Duplicate a Painting, sculpture, or anything else... The experiences that the original gave off.. is pretty much the same that will result in a high quality replication.

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