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Rotating control panels in the CNC age... why so rare still?

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DaveMMR:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 29, 2013, 08:34:58 am ---

--- Quote ---Holy ---fudgesicle---, act your age then. Ok that's me being the aforementioned giant dick. However Im only slightly younger than you, and I lucked out enough to play a great number of real arcade machines in their prime which just disproves your theory that Im so young I didnt get to.
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 Im not the one launching childish insults and attacks, so I believe you should consider than when reviewing your own age :P

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 :blowup: Okay, so I'm not the only one who assumed you were in your early twenties then. Because with age comes less care about what random people think of you. Plus a lot of other things you say just makes you seem way younger than 40. I'm not trying to be insulting or anything, but it's something you may want to keep in mind.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 28, 2013, 04:20:49 pm --- Sorry, but its simply not true.  Most swappable panels are not so easy to change over.  And since theres no pull out and put away time... your looking at a 2-3 minute saving per change.   VS a mere few seconds to rotate.
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2-3 minutes per change?  I have a prototype swappable system I use for CP mockups and controls testing, and it takes maybe 30 seconds* to swap a panel, if that.

2-3 minutes to swap a panel sounds like a broken design to me...

* In the interest of Science(TM) I just timed it.  It actually took only 15 seconds to swap a panel.  That included removing/storing the existing panel on a shelf under my test bench, retrieving the new panel, and setting it into place.  Now I could see it taking a bit longer on a proper cab, especially depending on how the panels are stored/connected.  But if it takes longer than 60 seconds, then that seems like a broken design to me.

brandon:
Not that I need to point out the obvious here but..  once you factor in all the pros and cons much of what you guys are arguing about comes down to personal preference.  In that case its pretty pointless to argue.  The amount of time it would take to unlock a rot panel versus swap a panel really is negligible.. 2 minutes.. 5 minutes.. does it really matter?  The point is to enjoy these games and hopefully socialize with friends and family in the process.. If swapping a panel affords you the time to share a story, talk smack, grab another beer, etc.. its really not time wasted  ;D  Granted, this thread IS about discussing the merits of rotating panels but getting into a pissing contest isn't really getting either one of you any where so just shake hands and agree to disagree  ;)   

Malenko:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 28, 2013, 04:20:49 pm ---
--- Quote ---(even LPT if pin count is the issue, but 9 pins is 8 wires and a ground, which is actually enough for a joystick, start, and 3 buttons)
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As Ive said, both of those kinds of connectors are not suited to a large number of connect and disconnects.  Its not how many times you swap a day.  Its the pure number of uses period.    And, they are not very smooth nor easy to hook and unhook.   

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--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on September 29, 2013, 08:34:58 am ---A printer cable has two specific ends.  The larger end, that hooks to the printer itself, is more robust, and better suited to the task.  But then your still gona have to find the male mate, and solder a ton of tiny pins... and 25 pins still isnt  a lot.

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LPT = Parallel Port = "printer cable"

25 pins is a lot, that's 24 connections and a common ground. That's enough for 2players with an 8 way ( 8 ) and the SF layout (12) and 2 starts and 2 coins(4) total (24). I wouldnt think that many panels would require more than that many connections. You could also have some sort of admin panel that has coin and start and eliminate the need for those, or even coin mechs instead of coin buttons, or shifted keys


Derail warning!
As for jabs, you def need thicker skin. Chad doesnt pop a fuse when people bring up the MDF question, I dont get pissy when people bring up me losing 1 of my 3 pole position cabs off the back of a truck. If you cant laugh at yourself and your mistakes what can you laugh at? Also Lennox Lewis went 42(32)-2-1 all he ever did was jab, last unified champ I believe but Im not a big boxing fan.  Also, not having build info up means you aren't helping the community. My Pole position conversion isnt the best but it shows what you can do with converting a PP into a Multi racer, I hope one day it encourages someone to do what I did, only do it better.

And you may not have seen the panel, but I dont think a spinner would work.  I cant mount it in the front, because 1 its be impossible to use and 2 the metal forms a V with a hinge at the bottom and I wouldnt want to drill through all that and make de-conversion impossible. Cant mount it on the CP itself, theres just no room with the 4 way shifter there.

/derail

shponglefan:
Thanks for giving it a real world test , I figured "about a minute" and I think on an actual cab thats prolly about right. Thing is I figure about the same time frame for a rotating panel, I just figured it would take a longer time to design and build the rotating panel over swappable ones. Other factor I considered was if you suddenly have a hankering to make a new panel you wouldn't have to either axe an existing one from your rotation (PUN!) or redesign your "rotator" to compensate for another panel. I guess thats a very round about way of saying the modular or swappable is much more flexible.

Brandon:
You are dead on balls it does come down to preference. There is a difference between "argue" and "debate" , I wouldnt want someone to start making a rotating panel thinking its easy peasy then be stuck with an unfinished cab and be either broke or discouraged from trying again. If you start with just a panel, and later expand to a swappable one, it just makes more sense to me. Im a bigger fan of multiple machines, preferably dedicated ones :)


nordemoniac:

--- Quote from: Malenko on September 29, 2013, 01:41:08 pm ---Im a bigger fan of multiple machines, preferably dedicated ones :)


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+1

Can't wait until I get a bigger house of my own. Huge home cinema + Arcades! Mostly MAME I guess, but driving, fighting, etc. on different cabinets.

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