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Raspberry Pi vs a 60 in 1 for a Cocktail Cabinet
RyoriNoTetsujin:
--- Quote from: Maximus on June 15, 2013, 01:21:50 am ---My gear should appear some time next week so it will be fun to play with. Also the other advantages of android and a wifi enabled 8gb platform will be interesting to explore.
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You shouldn't have any trouble. My buddy just got the MK908 last week, and it's rather stunning for these mini purposes. The plethora of cables take up more space than the actual unit! I've been planning on getting one and doing a review for BYOAC for a month now, but Real Life got in the way! ;D
That said, my old-by-Android-standards Transformer TF101 (dual-core 1.0Ghz) can run just about everything in Mame4Droid Reloaded and runs everything else that's available in RetroArch - including PS1 games. The general rule of thumb I'm finding is this; if it has been emulated "properly" in Windows, and the Android port is good, you don't need a tremendous amount of raw Ghz to run any particular game.
What's really intriguing to me is that they've just recently got full-blown Ubuntu running on sticks with the same chipset: http://liliputing.com/2013/06/ubuntu-up-and-running-on-android-min-pcs-with-rk3188-chips.html
I'd LOVE to see how it handles with a full OS, with a fully featured version of Mame, and a graphical frontend running. (Cabrio maybe? ... I've only recently started dabbling in Linux.)
404:
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on June 16, 2013, 12:02:40 am ---
--- Quote from: Maximus on June 15, 2013, 11:39:14 pm ---Also unless you are planning to run linux on an x86 setup lets please not pretend Windows is free when we are trying to do like for like comparisons. Even an OEM copy of XP runs $120 so its a significant cost that shouldn't be ignored in a shootout
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If you are trying to compete with the Pi then you don't need windows at all, FreeDos or a dos start disc will more than handle it since dosmame was developed for a hell of a lot longer than the 1998 era mame that was ported to the pi.
Also, basically every complete system sold in America comes with windows preloaded. An OEM copy of XP might cost $120, however you can purchase good used windows XP computers for well under $100. I spent all of 60 seconds browsing craigslist and I found XP systems cheaper than a pi that can run 95 percent of the mame catalog at full speed.
If you really think the Pi is good for mame then you are deluding yourself. I get tons of crap here for suggesting that mame .55 is a good emulator, while the mame .35 mame 4 all the pi runs is about 20 releases earlier than that.
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Have to agree with paigeoliver here on both parts.
It's difficult to grasp why anyone would opt for a pi as opposed to an old DOS compatible pc and simply use that to run advancemame and advancemenu as their frontend.
Same goes for your modern day PC. most of all of them contain an OEM copy of windows.
--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on June 16, 2013, 07:55:36 am ---You shouldn't have any trouble. My buddy just got the MK908 last week, and it's rather stunning for these mini purposes. The plethora of cables take up more space than the actual unit! I've been planning on getting one and doing a review for BYOAC for a month now, but Real Life got in the way! ;D
That said, my old-by-Android-standards Transformer TF101 (dual-core 1.0Ghz) can run just about everything in Mame4Droid Reloaded and runs everything else that's available in RetroArch - including PS1 games. The general rule of thumb I'm finding is this; if it has been emulated "properly" in Windows, and the Android port is good, you don't need a tremendous amount of raw Ghz to run any particular game.
What's really intriguing to me is that they've just recently got full-blown Ubuntu running on sticks with the same chipset: http://liliputing.com/2013/06/ubuntu-up-and-running-on-android-min-pcs-with-rk3188-chips.html
I'd LOVE to see how it handles with a full OS, with a fully featured version of Mame, and a graphical frontend running. (Cabrio maybe? ... I've only recently started dabbling in Linux.)
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Linux and android aren't equals when it comes to emulation. Commercial android solutions has quite a number of advantages including better driver support, JIT and much more. Difficult to compare Android on a commercial rig as opposed to generally vanilla linux builds.
paigeoliver:
I didn't suggest it only ran 20 games. I mentioned that the mame version that is used on the pi was 20 versions early than the antiquated version that is considered by some to be the first really good version. Pi runs mame 4 all, which is based on the 1999 era mame code, back when things were still pretty dicey and a lot of major titles still had major bugs.
Your two choices for video are composite, which lets face it, is awful, or HDMI, which pretty much ties you down to a widescreen display that is the incorrect aspect ratio.
--- Quote from: DHTech on June 16, 2013, 05:08:31 am ---
--- Quote from: paigeoliver on June 16, 2013, 12:02:40 am ---
If you really think the Pi is good for mame then you are deluding yourself. I get tons of crap here for suggesting that mame .55 is a good emulator, while the mame .35 mame 4 all the pi runs is about 20 releases earlier than that.
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I don't think anybody is deluding themselves, the Pi can happily run the early arcade games, if those are what you're interested in then the Pi is ideal, I can certainly run more than the 20 games you suggest! The Pi may not be for you but please don’t trash something you obviously know little about.
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Chris John Hunter:
I think its harsh to slam a one board pc that costs just £30. That runs Mame and plenty of retro fun to be had. Raspberry Pi will soon be able to run Ice Cream Sandwich which has numerous builds of Mame. You could write your own front end and forego all the flash bang wallop of numpty ones like Hyperspin. It just has to be a easy to navigate menu. Anyone who thinks Mame needs a powerful pc your joking right? I'm using WinXP, Onboard GFX and sound with 512mb ram.You can write your own FE which is part of the point of Raspberry Pi
-it was invented so British kids could learn to program in schools. Not to run Killer Instinct. It runs great when your working with a smaller monitor. A friend recently did a mini machine with a digital photo frame. Agree with DHTech. paigeoliver Your talking cobblers mate.
Check this out http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/mame
If you want to play 'Classics' (60-1 range) no issues. And as it is Android based, you can use any controller setup you like. I would also like to point out, it is likely there will be a commercial edition released this year or next that will be used to fund the project further . That edition I would image to have 1GB onboard and if so, will be ideal.
Your only ever going to be running one game at a time! Its got HD video playback capacity.That guy has a full cab running off it. Only consideration is storage, and you have it. It doesn't have the overheads of running Windows bloatware either.
CJ
shponglefan:
I think of one thing which is missing in this conversation is that there are different solutions for different situations. There is no one single perfect be-all-and-end-all MAME solution.
For example, people have tossed out the idea of older pentiums. But those have drawbacks such as increased power consumption, heat, size, incompatibility with newer storage devices, larger footprint, and so on.
On the other hand the Pi, while not the most advanced kid on the block is tiny, no moving parts, no heat issues, low power consumption.
It really comes down to what is more important to the person in question doing the build. In the case of the OP, he specifically mentioned no moving parts. So that mostly rules out an old P4.
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