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Choosing the right joystick...So many options
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 07:56:57 pm ---I was visible, in a red Namco shirt
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Oh ... wrong kind of red shirt ... sigh ...
;)
PL1:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 12:57:32 pm ---2) Supers Stink. They were stiff, and awkward... and the leaf style micros often bent
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and those micro-leafs, are not precise nor durable enough.
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That Micro-Leafs are far different from Actual Leafswitches. Microleafs do not use spring-steel, and they only
use the metal extension for leverage and helping to keep the activation point from wearing down.
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--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 07:56:57 pm ---I took the micro leafs off a pretty much new super,
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Minor point of clarification for anyone confused by your choice of terminology.
Micro-Leaf switch from GGG:
Lever arm microswitch a.k.a. Snap Switches with Straight Actuators (Happ's nomenclature) used in Happ Super:
Scott
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 07:56:57 pm --- While supers may or may not bend them out that far, I can say that unless they have changed their leaf drastically,
then they are not very robust. Like anything, with enough joystick actuation's, they will go back to original position, and
eventually, go beyond that.
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Happ has been shipping the Supers in the current configuration for a few years now. They use the E-Switches, and these have levers which are a beefy .022" thick. They aren't supposed to be spring steel. If they were, you couldn't adjust them easily.
--- Quote --- As for complaints with comps and diagonals, I have a hard time believing this.
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I don't believe math sometimes either, but it makes me look silly when I don't. It's simple to prove, with as little as a pencil, graph paper and a ruler.
I'll save you the trouble: :)
--- Quote ---Maybe these are groups of fighters who got used to supers, and don't fully run the outside edge of the controller as they are supposed to.
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People expect what they expect. You are comparing two different worlds. The builder isn't in a situation where he is hanging out at the local arcade, and forced to make do with whatever happens to be on the machine. They are building it for themselves, and they know how they expect things to perform. Personally, I have never seen someone choose to make wide circles when playing fighting games. It takes way too long. You might have, because, what choice did they really have?
--- Quote ---The supers are simply horrible for fighters. They are so tight, its like stir thick mud.
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I don't know what sticks you were using, but I just measured the force required, on my lab scale, for switch activation on both units. The results are:
Competitions - ~350 grams
Supers - ~ 310 grams
As you can see, the Competitions are stiffer than the Supers are, and by quite a bit. Product offerings change over time, and mechanical assembly dynamics change with wear. Conclusions based on old data, with poor samples really can't be accurate.
jimmer:
--- Quote from: RandyT ---With a square actuator, such as those on the Competitions, you must move further at an angle to actuate the switch. The round actuator, with bladed switches, gets there faster. There's really nothing more to it than that.
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--- Quote from: RandyT on January 29, 2013, 02:11:34 am ---I don't believe math sometimes either, but it makes me look silly when I don't. It's simple to prove, with as little as a pencil, graph paper and a ruler.
I'll save you the trouble: :)
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Unfortunately the maths is the same for a round actuator on a bladed switch (unless you put a clever concave shape onto the blade). You have to move the stick 1.41 times further on the diagonal.
jimmer:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 ---2) Supers Stink. They were stiff, and awkward... and the leaf style micros often bent to the point where it made diagonals
inaccurate. Adjusting the leafs usually just made things worse. The problem with those style of leafs, is that they use a
very thin and flimsy 'tin like' metal. It does not maintain its shape well. But worse, is that once you bend the lever too much,
it breaks the switches functionality...Often popping right out of the switch itself.
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--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 07:56:57 pm ---Sorry, but I disagree. I took the micro leafs off a pretty much new super, that Id gotten in a lot of parts. I tried to use them in a custom 6 position shifter I was making. Figuring if I bent them out far enough, they would work decently for the application. I ordered some more from a happs order, and the same thing.
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Your poor review of the Super joystick looks more like a poor review of your own custom shifter, and your ability to bend switches back and forth. :lol
This is actually of interest to me, because I'm considering bending my own blades (I'll be starting a thread)
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