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shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 12:57:32 pm ---2)  Supers Stink.   They were stiff, and awkward... and the leaf style micros often bent to the point where it made diagonals
inaccurate.  Adjusting the leafs usually just made things worse.  The problem with those style of leafs, is that they use a
very thin and flimsy 'tin like' metal.  It does not maintain its shape well.   But worse, is that once you bend the lever too much,
it breaks the switches functionality...Often popping right out of the switch itself.   I love classics, but I also love fighters too,
and I can tell you that Id never play a fighter on a Super ever again.  The stiff-moving stick, is way too fatiguing and slow..
and those micro-leafs, are not precise nor durable enough.
--- End quote ---

I've used Supers for years and never found them fatiguing.  Are they the best stick for everything?  Certainly not.  But they are a decent all-arounder.

I can vouch for the bent leaf, though.  I did have that happen on one of the switches on one joystick.  Mind you, that was after years of use.  And given the relative cost of the Supers, I can't really complain about it.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 28, 2013, 05:38:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 12:57:32 pm ---2)  Supers Stink.   They were stiff, and awkward... and the leaf style micros often bent to the point where it made diagonals
inaccurate.  Adjusting the leafs usually just made things worse.  The problem with those style of leafs, is that they use a
very thin and flimsy 'tin like' metal.  It does not maintain its shape well.   But worse, is that once you bend the lever too much,
it breaks the switches functionality...Often popping right out of the switch itself.   I love classics, but I also love fighters too,
and I can tell you that Id never play a fighter on a Super ever again.  The stiff-moving stick, is way too fatiguing and slow..
and those micro-leafs, are not precise nor durable enough.

--- End quote ---

There is no physical way you can bend the switch levers (which are specifically NOT MicroLeafs and are definitely not flimsy) without breaking the housing  ... and I've seen a broken Nintendo Storngtanium(tm) stick. You are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on that one.

I don't find them particularly stiff (indeed, the motion is smooth and light), but I can see how fighter fans (or people with weak wrists) might get tired.

EDIT: I see RandyT called you on it as well.

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He's not full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  I've had it happen.  It was a relatively minor bend, but the bend was there.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: shponglefan on January 28, 2013, 07:33:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 28, 2013, 05:38:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on January 28, 2013, 12:57:32 pm ---2)  Supers Stink.   They were stiff, and awkward... and the leaf style micros often bent to the point where it made diagonals
inaccurate.  Adjusting the leafs usually just made things worse.  The problem with those style of leafs, is that they use a
very thin and flimsy 'tin like' metal.  It does not maintain its shape well.   But worse, is that once you bend the lever too much,
it breaks the switches functionality...Often popping right out of the switch itself.   I love classics, but I also love fighters too,
and I can tell you that Id never play a fighter on a Super ever again.  The stiff-moving stick, is way too fatiguing and slow..
and those micro-leafs, are not precise nor durable enough.

--- End quote ---

There is no physical way you can bend the switch levers (which are specifically NOT MicroLeafs and are definitely not flimsy) without breaking the housing  ... and I've seen a broken Nintendo Storngtanium(tm) stick. You are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on that one.

I don't find them particularly stiff (indeed, the motion is smooth and light), but I can see how fighter fans (or people with weak wrists) might get tired.

EDIT: I see RandyT called you on it as well.

--- End quote ---

He's not full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  I've had it happen.  It was a relatively minor bend, but the bend was there.

--- End quote ---

I can't see how -- I went downstairs and checked a cabinet with Supers before I posted my reply and there was no way I could foul up the switches.

Then, after reading your post, I figured that maybe the stick was being restricted by the thickness of the CP (3/4" panel), so I went back downstairs and checked another cabinet with Supers and a metal panel. Nope. Unless I break something else, there is no way that I am messing up those levers.

But then, they say that Nintendo sticks can't be broken and I've seen that that isn't true ...

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on January 28, 2013, 07:45:25 pm ---I can't see how -- I went downstairs and checked a cabinet with Supers before I posted my reply and there was no way I could foul up the switches.

Then, after reading your post, I figured that maybe the stick was being restricted by the thickness of the CP (3/4" panel), so I went back downstairs and checked another cabinet with Supers and a metal panel. Nope. Unless I break something else, there is no way that I am messing up those levers.

But then, they say that Nintendo sticks can't be broken and I've seen that that isn't true ...

--- End quote ---

It could just be types of games played.  I probably played about 90% Capcom fighting games with mine, so there was a lot of rapid movement/torque on the stick.  And after a few years, one of the leafs developed a slight bend.  There was no other damage to the stick and no issues with the housing.

I figured it was just normal wear 'n tear but for an inexpensive joystick, not the end of the world.

Xiaou2:
Sorry, but I disagree.  I took the micro leafs off a pretty much new super, that Id gotten in a lot of parts.  I tried to use them in a custom 6 position shifter I was making.  Figuring if I bent them out far enough, they would work decently for the application.
I ordered some more from a happs order, and the same thing.

 And even before this, Id kinda got the idea from a Basketball game that came to the arcade.  It also used a leaf switch that
was similar, but a lot greater in size, and I believe had a roller at the end as well.  Unfortunately, it also suffered constant issues with getting whacked out of alignment. I should have made the connection.


 Once bent past a certain degree, the leafs could not be bent back.  It totally ruined the switches I had ordered.

 While supers may or may not bend them out that far,  I can say that unless they have changed their leaf drastically,
then they are not very robust.  Like anything, with enough joystick actuation's, they will go back to original position, and
eventually, go beyond that.


 As for complaints with comps and diagonals, I have a hard time believing this.  Maybe these are groups of fighters who got
used to supers, and dont fully run the outside edge of the controller as they are supposed to.  The same kinds of people
tend to say a Comp is faulty, because when they let-go of the stick, it bounces!  The key factor here, is that your not
supposed to let go of the stick!  Thats as dumb as letting go of the wheel of an F1 car, thats going over 200mph, on a
treacherous curvy track.

 The supers are simply horrible for fighters.  They are so tight, its like stir thick mud.  The only fighting game in the
Timeout arcade I managed that had supers, was Soul Calibur.   None of the players complained about diagonals on: Killer Instinct 1 & 2, Tekken III, Mortal Kombat III & Ultimate, nor any other game they were on.   Myself included... and I was no
slouch on my fighting game skills.

 The only complaints about fighting games came from broken equipment.  Such as a microswitch failings,
broken connections (I snipped those wretched crimp connectors, cause they failed so often... soldering on wires directly),
and when centering spacers got ate up.

 My schedule was 42 to 50 hrs a week... and sometimes, I was even there after shift, playing a new game kit. (as anyone
caught playing on-shift was subject to immediate termination.. and it happened often).   I also wasnt a manager who
hid in the parts room.  I was visible, in a red Namco shirt, fixing, cleaning, giving change, handing out prizes, running comps,
stocking..etc.   As well as talking with the regulars about martial arts, and or giving them advice on certain games.

 In all that time, never once did people complain about Comps. and diagonals.

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