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Idea for a Multi Williams Plus panel.
Xiaou2:
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But, thats not how you actually Push a button. You finger tips will only be circular, when you hand is completely FLAT to
the table. But if your hand is FLAT, how can you have any downforce leverage?
Simple place your fingers on a normal flat keyboard in the home position of asdf and jkl; ,and you will see that not
only are all your fingers comfortably lined up, but that they are Bent at an angle. That they all have great downforce
leverage. That even if you extend to the upper letters, your finger angle is still very much VERTICAL.
Flat layouts are Not ergonomic, because of this. The only reason the Japanese had gotten partly around this, was to use
convex buttons. IE: Buttons that were raised bumps, which added less need for vertical spring leverage. Personally,
I cant stand the feel of them. You can slip off them, as well as lose track of which buttons you are on. They also are not
very comfortable. And aside from all that... its still a poor performance, compared to downforce spring leverage.
Try rapidfire shooting game, but keep your wrist and hand completely flat, and you will quickly find out.
Also, if you are using Micros, instead of actual Leaf switch and leaf buttons... then you are also failing the point of a
Multi-Williams. They simply do not provide the level of control,comfort, and non-fatigue, that Micros present.
I think its nice you are thinking outside the typical box... but I also think you lack a little experience in the actual
hardware to make some key realizations, that would greatly effect your current designs.
A side note: Almost nothing Ive tried, plays Robotron well, except actual Wico Leaf Joysticks. And IMO, Robotron
is far more gratifying game than Defender, or pretty much any game period.
PS: I was one of many, who thought is was a good idea to curve a button layout. It quickly got scrapped.
heh
1500points:
the curved finger leverage thing is well discussed in training for classical guitar.
are you saying micro-switch buttons are better for a multi-williams?
defender is fatiguing trying to use micros. unless you are a master level defender player, your score will be greatly affected by trying to use micros.
you can't flap as fast or double flap on joust either which will affect you above wave 30, especially by wave 60.
robotron joysticks not feeling right with micros has more to do with the skill level of the player. a learning player will do better with wico leafs. a master player will do equally well with decent microswitch joysticks (I kinda like the zippyy's with no restrictor plate as an alternative here at home).
Robotron becomes more about player position on the screen, at the right times rather than flutter firing.
but if the player is OCD about the clicking noise of micros then it isn't going to be a good fit.
for the sake of discussion, I was obsessed with Robotron have played/owned about every platform and a huge variety of joysticks. so much so that I wrote a tutorial site and got the assistance of the Vid Kidz for details..... and it's bizarre to say but now that I'm learning Defender. Defender is a more well-rounded game with more challenge. Robotron is a linear gauntlet, Defender has myriad ways you can problem solve the chaos. Don't count Defender out quite that fast as inferior. ;)
UPDATE- Here is a Defender strategy guide written in 1982 by Joystik's Doug Mahugh, edited by the Vid Kidz. Went unpublished until this month- http://mahugh.com/2013/01/21/defender-the-last-word/
jimmer:
I'll be using CLASSX true-leaf for rapid fire buttons. And I got some Goldleafs, and Sanwas for comparison.
In anticipation of possible slight alterations that might be needed I will build the first attempt with modular panels. This also means I can get straight onto playing Defender before I mount the Robotoron sticks.
I've not even played Robotron yet, but I'll worry about whether I need better joysticks later.
Sticks should arive tomorrow or next day. CLASSX are somewhere with Customs and Excise. If the CLASSX arrive late, I will be playing Defender with the Goldleafs until they arrive.
jimmer:
--- Quote from: 1500points on January 29, 2013, 09:12:05 am ---UPDATE- Here is a Defender strategy guide written in 1982 by Joystik's Doug Mahugh, edited by the Vid Kidz. Went unpublished until this month- http://mahugh.com/2013/01/21/defender-the-last-word/
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thanks for that, I'll be reading it later.
jimmer:
Even though my CLASSX True-leafs arrived today and I like them, I feel a little bummed because I have only just spotted you can add a Rollie leaf to a Happ competition convex. I would probably have chosen that over the CLASSX concave.
Ah well, I'll just say my panel is more authentic :lol
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