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Scored a free 32" Trinitron, need help getting PC display to it!

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rCadeGaming:
You are right.  He did say no room for a graphics card in the current PC; I missed that.


--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on January 08, 2013, 03:53:30 pm ---if I stick with my current PC setup
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Sounds using that PC is up in the air though.  If he could migrate the CPU and other components to a larger board, motherboards are pretty cheap these days.   Wouldn't need to fit everything in such a small case once it's in the cabinet.


--- Quote from: RandyT on January 10, 2013, 01:23:29 am ---240p or 480i.  It's not really relevant to the issue.  It's the same horizontal frequency with the same issues the OP is hoping to overcome.
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This is totally relevant.  Whether he solves the problem by going native or by scaling to 480i will be an immense difference in the final picture quality; blurry, scaled 480i with interlace feathering and no scanlines, versus correct, clear progressive native res with nice bold scanlines.  We haven't even gotten into refresh rate either, and the differences there.  Furthermore, he has a lagless CRT.  It should be considered unacceptable for gameplay to start screwing that up with scaling lag.


--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on January 08, 2013, 09:21:49 am ---Once we've moved to a bigger place and I'm ready to put this monster to use in a full-fledged project (showcase cab >:D), I'll go ahead and pony up the bucks for a decent transcoder like the one rCadeGaming has in his setup.

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He says right there he might go toward the direction I'm suggesting in the long run, so I'm encouraging it, as the end result will use that TV to its full potential.

I wouldn't spend the money on an intermediate solution, but if he really wants to, he could get an Extron Super Emotia which will accept simple 480p over VGA and output it as 480i or 240p, without lag.  Would still have to transcode to component though.

RyoriNoTetsujin:
I love that this seemingly nothing topic has begat such discussion. I love that (the vast majority of) this community is able to be passionate, yet civil.  ;)

First things first: getting the picture shaped right - if I can't do that, I'm curbing the TV. rCade, I'll PM you about remotes, but in the meantime: the model number for this tv is KV-32XBR200, and according to Sony, the compatible remote is RM-Y144. I believe you when you say a lot of those remotes are interchangeable, but I want this info in the thread for future reference. 

Ultimately, I'm not going to change my current hardware until it's absolutely necessary (and with the glacial pace of the emulation scene, it's going to be a while.) I've got it tuned now to where it is most usable for my current purposes -- anything else added to the equation at this point has to compromise around it.  That said, I agree with rCade in that, if you're going to go this route, you might as well get the best quality you can get out of it. Sadly though, I'm in a position where, if I am to enjoy this wonderful free thing at all in the near future, I'm going to have to split the difference somehow.  It's not going to be "perfect" until my currently glacial budget (which, as a reminder, takes into account my current housing situation, i.e. this is Bigger Picture and Longer Term than just discretionary hobby money) has a chance to catch up...  and I'm ok with that. 

I live in Manhattan... which, translated from the native language, means "negotiation and compromise."  :laugh2:

rCadeGaming:
That processor needs an LGA 1155 socket right?  There are some budget mobo's on with decent ratings on Newegg for around $75.  You could skip a few lunches to pay for that and a cheap PCI-e graphics card on eBay.

The biggest problem will be the transcoder.   The TC1600 is $180.  I can't personally vouch for anything else being totally compatible with custom timing values though.  It seems like the cheaper Audio Authority unit has problems with this.  There's a more bare bones TC1500 for $140 that lacks some adjustments, but I haven't tried it.  If you're up to it, you could try wiring up a VGA to SCART adapter, and using a cheap eBay SCART to component converter.  That might be the cheapest option:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-SCART-RGB-to-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-Scaler-/221156873851?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item337dfa167b

I used that exact unit with my SNES and Genesis for a while before upgrading to the TC1600.  It worked very well with all the weird resolutions around 240p that they put out.

A JROK would probably also work well if you wire up an adapter to converter h and v to c sync.  Not sure how much those are though, apparently you have to email.

For now, I'd just continue to enjoy consoles until you get the funds.  If it really has bad geometry problems that can't be fixed with the service menu (doubtful) you could get a replacement Trinitron for $0-50 on Craigslist.

These test patterns will be great for service menu adjustments if you can get them onto your TV somehow:

http://rcadegaming.com/images/testpatterns/640x480-color.bmp

http://rcadegaming.com/images/testpatterns/640x480-geometry-white.bmp

http://rcadegaming.com/images/testpatterns/320x240-brightness-color-contrast.bmp

I transfer them to my PS3 with a flash stick.  I forget if you can do that with a PS2.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on January 08, 2013, 03:53:30 pm ---We'll see what the situation looks like when the time comes (might be a while) but if I stick with my current PC setup, discreet GPU is not an option. See this thread.

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--- Quote from: rCadeGaming on January 10, 2013, 06:43:14 pm ---That processor needs an LGA 1155 socket right?  There are some budget mobo's on with decent ratings on Newegg for around $75.  You could skip a few lunches to pay for that and a cheap PCI-e graphics card on eBay.

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Look at his link above.  It's a tiny case.

rCadeGaming:

--- Quote from: rCadeGaming on January 10, 2013, 08:32:35 am ---Wouldn't need to fit everything in such a small case once it's in the cabinet.

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