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RandyT:

If you are gong to go the converter route, stick with component.  No reason to go S-video if you are already shelling out money.  But just to make sure, try hooking up another source to each of the S-video and Component inputs, and do a comparison.  I've heard that some TV's do a really quick and dirty conversion on Component which isn't appreciably better than S-video.  I'd like to think a large Sony unit wouldn't fall into this category, but you never know.

Look for reviews on the converters and make sure there isn't excessive lag, tearing while scrolling, etc...  They aren't all created equal.

If you are getting geometry distortions, try tweaking the brightness and contrast settings.  It could be overdriving things a bit and this could cause blooming and other artifacts.  It could also be that it just wasn't all that good to begin with.  TV's don't need the same level of geometric uniformity as a monitor, so you really can't expect as much from them.

ark_ader:
Be cheaper getting a component cable and a Xbox1 with CoinOPS. 

My thought is that you want to play classic games on the TV right?

I have done the PC to TV route and it seriously is pretty crappy.

Waste of time.

RyoriNoTetsujin:

--- Quote from: RandyT on January 08, 2013, 04:10:04 pm ---If you are gong to go the converter route, stick with component...

If you are getting geometry distortions, try tweaking the brightness and contrast settings.  It could be overdriving things a bit and this could cause blooming and other artifacts.  It could also be that it just wasn't all that good to begin with.  TV's don't need the same level of geometric uniformity as a monitor, so you really can't expect as much from them.

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Yeah Randy, of course you're right about the transcoder in the long run, but for right now, $20 (VGA->Svid) is a lot different than $180 (a decent no-lag transcoder, per rCadeGaming's analog setup) for me right now. I mean, this whole thing is just a silly side project because I got a free tv.  I still haven't spent any money.

I'm more concerned in the long run by this geometry issue. I've attached and doctored up a picture to hopefully show you what I'm seeing.  It's much more notable and egregious with anything running horizontal near that upper left corner ... such as a fighting game health bar.  I didn't get the remote with the tv, and apparently you need it to adjust ANY settings (both basic, and even the "hidden" service menu settings.) Now I'm working on if a replacement is possible, or even worth the time/money to acquire. If you can believe it, there's an actual TV repair man in my neighborhood who's searching his stash as we speak...

Who knows, the thing may end up back out on the curb before the end of the week.  It's not like I don't have other things to do, or other ways to play games...


--- Quote from: ark_ader on January 08, 2013, 05:16:05 pm ---Be cheaper getting a component cable and a Xbox1 with CoinOPS. 

My thought is that you want to play classic games on the TV right?

I have done the PC to TV route and it seriously is pretty crappy.

Waste of time.

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I... uhh... yeah. Umm. Ok? Thanks. Yeah, I just... umm... I just can't. Yeah.  :(

RandyT:

--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on January 08, 2013, 05:52:39 pm ---Yeah Randy, of course you're right about the transcoder in the long run, but for right now, $20 (VGA->Svid) is a lot different than $180 (a decent no-lag transcoder, per rCadeGaming's analog setup) for me right now. I mean, this whole thing is just a silly side project because I got a free tv.  I still haven't spent any money.

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It took me a bit of work, but I think I may have found something in a reasonable price range which will do what you are looking for.  It's interesting to note that some of the negative reviews about this device are fueled by something that actually works in your favor in this circumstance.  You need a down-conversion to 480i on the component, which many don't want, so they complain about it.  Not an issue here, and it's $40+shipping.  You might even be able to find one cheaper on ebay.  But still, no clue as to whether the quality will be better than S-Video.


--- Quote ---I'm more concerned in the long run by this geometry issue. I've attached and doctored up a picture to hopefully show you what I'm seeing.  It's much more notable and egregious with anything running horizontal near that upper left corner ... such as a fighting game health bar.  I didn't get the remote with the tv, and apparently you need it to adjust ANY settings (both basic, and even the "hidden" service menu settings.) Now I'm working on if a replacement is possible, or even worth the time/money to acquire. If you can believe it, there's an actual TV repair man in my neighborhood who's searching his stash as we speak...

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Yeah, that's not too bad.  If you adjust the brightness down, you will probably see that condition improve.  A small tweak of the HV control inside the TV might help to fix it if the standard controls don't.  Universal remotes are dirt cheap nowadays, but you may need a real one to get to the service menus.

rCadeGaming:

--- Quote from: Jack Burton on January 08, 2013, 03:23:37 pm ---MonMotha has mentioned a few times that certain older video cards can output any resolution you want over component.  The ATI HD2400 Pro may be one of them.
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This is actually capable of outputting 15kHz progressive custom resolutions and tweaking in Powerstrip, etc.?  If someone could confirm this that would be great.  I need the transcoder anyway for all of my consoles, but it would a good recommendation for others.


--- Quote from: RyoriNoTetsujin on January 08, 2013, 03:53:30 pm ---I've got the PS2 hooked up over component and I've literally just noticed a weird warping/geometry flaw in the upper left corner of the screen. I don't have the remote, so I'm going to have to search online for service menu options...  see if I can't fix it. This monitor might not be so great after all.

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This is what you want:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-TV-VCR-RM-Y180-REMOTE-CONTROL-4-KV-32FS100-WEGA-/290841907331?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item43b7875083

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-RM-Y180-XBR-WEGA-TV-REMOTE-CONTROL-TESTED-CHEAP-W-BATTERIES-12-12-/400384908882?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item5d38ccde52

These smaller ones are nice too:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-SONY-TV-REMOTE-CONTROL-WEGA-BLACK-RM-Y173-KV-20FS100-KV-13FS110-20FS12-/140878941390?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item20cd0a0cce

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SONY-RM-Y173-WEGA-TV-Remote-to-KV-24FS100-KV-4FV300-KV-20FS100-KV-20FS12-TESTED-/150975208043?pt=US_Remote_Controls&hash=item2326d2da6b

The Sony remotes of this era are interchangeable and really common.  I have a bunch of these and they all work with my different Sony's.  I can send you one of the larger ones for the cost of shipping if you promise not to waste the TV by scaling everything up.  Third Strike looks waaay better with real scanlines in 224p  ;)

Anyhow, there are several adjustments in the service menu that would help you with that, like separate upper and lower corner pincushion adjustments.  Looks like you need to rotate the whole thing counterclockwise a little, shift left, do some trapezoid and parallelogram adjustment, etc.  You need to feed it some test patterns to get a better idea.


--- Quote from: ark_ader on January 08, 2013, 05:16:05 pm ---I have done the PC to TV route and it seriously is pretty crappy.

Waste of time.

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Don't go around spreading misinformation because you didn't set things up properly.


--- Quote from: RandyT on January 09, 2013, 01:14:29 pm ---It took me a bit of work, but I think I may have found something in a reasonable price range which will do what you are looking for.
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No, that is a digital converter.  It will destroy native resolutions and cause lag.  You need a proper analog transcoder that will translate colorspace only.

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