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ABACABB:

--- Quote from: MaxVolume on August 29, 2012, 12:46:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: ABACABB on August 29, 2012, 08:05:55 am ---@Max seriously?? flick a tiny piece of paper and that is your comparison to a trackball??  That is not even close to the same thing.  A trackball has much more size, weight and volume than a tiny piece of paper and you don't flick a trackball with your finger like you were describing with the paper.   :banghead:

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Dumbass, it's about using your whole hand/wrist/arm/shoulder as opposed to one finger and a thumb.  It's a physics experiment intended to strip away the assumptions about the relationship between mass and energy, but obviously you're not getting it, especially if you're assuming the tiny ball of paper is supposed to be analogous to the trackball itself.  :laugh2:

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I get the physics experiment.  It would just have been more helpful if you would have come up with an experiment that was a little more similar to the situation here.  Your experiment and using a trackball are too different.

But the bigger fact here is once again you have completely ignored my other points.

#1 being the most obvious.  The OP was asking about the distance because he apparently plays GT this way.  You felt the need to be a  :censored: and chime in saying how that was unneccasary.  None of your flippin' business how he wants to play his machine

#2 The backspin feature is very difficult to achieve using your thumbs.  It takes much more speed on the trackball to achieve this.  To be great at this game, you need to utilize the backspin.  I have to assume that you don't, or perhaps did not even know about this.  I guarantee I could beat you at GT 100 times in a row

#3 If you like to play using your thumbs, good for you!!  Stop criticizing the way other people play.  When you do it just shows your ignorance.

PL1 is right about this arguing.  This didn't need to become a mutli post listing on how to play GT.  It just pissed me off so much when you had to post your $.02, saying people were knuckle draggers and acting like Superman flying all over the place.  Well guess what.   When you are taking a shot at the pin when it is placed on the back of the green and there is water right behind that pin,  you want that backspin to catch so your ball doesn't roll in the water.  Your excitement level gets up and you slam that trackball with all your might to ensure the backspin feature was activated and you don't get a penalty stroke from ending up in the water.  This is how I play Golden Tee and I am damn proud of it.  I might also add that I am pretty damn good at playing Golden Tee.

ABACABB:

--- Quote from: wcndave on August 29, 2012, 09:23:49 am ---95% of what I could could do with the open hand method.

You cannot have more than 100% of that....

I was able to get enough backspin, and found that actually too much was not good.

in fact, with a driver (when i might use the hand method) you don't really want / get backspin, and with shorter clubs i found using thumbs and if necessary slightly more club was far more accurate.

anyway, i am not a pro, just saying thumbs method has it's place.

more to the point, the OP should just try it out using some cardboard boxes, that was the original question!

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Good point wcndave.  Use the cardboard to determine what distance feels good for you.  Mine happens to be about 12 inches and it works fine for me.  As far as backspin off your drive, it doesn't work like that.  The backspin feature seems to be de-activated during your drives so you can swing away.  As far as too much backspin, well that's the tricky part of the game.  Maybe you swung too hard with your hand and applied too much backspin.  It takes a really good feel of your trackball setup to do this properly.  Then again if you had too much backspin perhaps you did not select the correct club or did not need to apply backspin.  Just my thoughts. 

This game is so much more fun when you really understand how the trackball works and fully understand the Golden Tee shot calculator.  There are so many variations of the shots that are listed on the calculator (control panel) that you can really get creative and make up your own shots to get you on the green and close to the pin. 

MaxVolume:

Not to start this up again, but I had to laugh at the "backspin" comments.  You guys do realize that the trackball just spins a couple little optical encoder wheels (or mostly just ONE, since you're mostly using one axis of movement) rather than being somehow a physical "avatar" for the golf ball, right?  If you did, you'd understand that there is a point at which the encoder wheel is spinning so fast that the emitter/detector pair on the encoder board can't read anything.  I seriously don't think that the programmers coded the game so that "holy ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- I can't see anything" = "backspin".  Just a thought.

Cynicaster:
The trackball-to-bezel distance on my cabinet is definitely one of the things I would change (increase) if I was starting over.

Still, full speed is easily attainable with thumbs only.  I’ve always had a laugh watching drunk jocks play Golden Tee and literally put their whole body into the forward spin as if it’s making the slightest difference in their shot. 

MaxVolume:

--- Quote from: Cynicaster on November 26, 2012, 01:29:39 pm ---The trackball-to-bezel distance on my cabinet is definitely one of the things I would change (increase) if I was starting over.

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This is kind of off-topic (although less than I've been thus far), but probably the only regret I have with FLYNN'S is ironically with the joystick and buttons rather than the trackball.  It's actually not a big issue, but I laid everything out with the joystick, trackball and buttons sort of centered on one another.  Didn't have much of a choice because it's a mini-cab and I was lucky to squeeze all that into a panel that only had a spinner and a couple buttons originally.  Still, I wasn't really able to leave some "palm space" so it's somewhat less comfortable to play than it could be.  Part of that was actually due to having the control panel already bent when I was talked into having it laser-cut, which required it to be flattened and re-bent.  It ended up being bent with the top part slightly short, so the holes were further away from the monitor than they should have been, but only by 1/4" at the most.  I guess it gained me a little in trackball-to-monitor distance, but there's not much room to rest my big hands while playing.  That would be a problem on pretty much any mini-cab anyway, so again it's no big deal.  Your comment just reminded me of it as one thing that sticks out as not coming out quite as intended.

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