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SavannahLion:
I'm just outside of Sacramento. Opposite of Stockton unfortunately.

Just make sure you don't let your wife read my posts.

Just ignore the bickering between ark and Cheffo, you'll discover what's what soon enough.

Le Chuck:

--- Quote from: Dawgz Rule on March 30, 2012, 02:26:58 pm ---
--- Quote ---^  Wow....is there some history here or what?  ^
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Ditto.   Just what every new person wants to see.  This type of stuff is what made me almost bail out on this forum shortly after building my first cabinet. Welcome aboard!!!

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The back and forth between some members (myself occasionally included) is like scenery on a long trip.  Sure you want to get to your destination but sometimes the view out the window is just as interesting.  If it puts you off I'm sorry but it isn't meant to, it's just the roll and ebb of the beautiful green hills of the BYOAC.  Come, frolic in the verdant pastures of Cheffo and the bubbling brook of Ark.  

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: Le Chuck on March 30, 2012, 02:39:14 pm ---The back and forth between some members (myself occasionally included) is like scenery on a long trip.  Sure you want to get to your destination but sometimes the view out the window is just as interesting.  If it puts you off I'm sorry but it isn't meant to, it's just the roll and ebb of the beautiful green hills of the BYOAC.  Come, frolic in the verdant pastures of Cheffo and the bubbling brook of Ark.  

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 :duckhunt

Although I would use a different term than bubbling.

As for the back and forth over contentious topics like killing existing machines (which is actually dealt with in the FAQ), you will find that you have folks who have different opinions and that they care in differing degrees.

It can be hard to tell if both parties are just being idiots or if either has an actual point. It can take a while to recognize the difference, if there is one. I like to think that I contribute and, other than smacking ark for being ark, I think my advice in this thread has been solid.

If the passion of the discourse made Dawgz want to bail, then I feel somewhat bad for my role in that. Not terrible, but somewhat bad ... this hobby exists because many people have cared enough not to destroy, but to preserve. If everybody felt like ark does, then none of us would be here.

At the end of the day, however, this is saint's BBQ and he wouldn't want people to feel excluded due to the heat of the same old arguments, so please accept my apologies for any off-putting to the new folks.

In that spirit, let me quote the FAQ,


--- Quote ---Please do be mindful that we don't destroy what we're trying to re-create.  Many classic arcade machines are rare and worth a heck of a lot more intact than altered.  Ideal candidates for this type of project are machines that have already been abused by previous owners - artwork destroyed, poorly converted, etc...  If you have a classic cabinet in good shape, you can probably sell it to a collector and get a trashed but usable cabinet in the bargain.
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 :cheers:

ChrisK:

--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on March 30, 2012, 03:04:07 pm ---If the passion of the discourse made Dawgz want to bail, then I feel somewhat bad for my role in that. Not terrible, but somewhat bad ... this hobby exists because many people have cared enough not to destroy, but to preserve. If everybody felt like ark does, then none of us would be here.
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The belief that someone who holds different values is somehow lesser instead of just different is illustrative of the general problem with public discourse today.  It's lack of respect that damages communities, not a difference of opinion.

You may dislike seeing a classic cabinet recycled into a MAME cabinet.  That's fine, you like classic cabinets.  You may even advocate for the preservation of classic cabinets.  That's fine, you're an archaeologist of sorts.  But to say that someone else is an idiot because he does something you don't like is self-centered and counter-productive.  you won't convince anyone by being combative, you'll just make them retrench on their positions.

Besides, not everyone is here to restore old cabinets.  For example, I'm here to learn about building a custom cabinet.

Wrong way: The guy who told you to rip it apart is an idiot.
Right way: I'll buy it off you!
Also right: You should sell it to someone who wants this game and build your own, so you aren't destroying a classic game.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: ChrisK on March 30, 2012, 04:42:47 pm ---Besides, not everyone is here to restore old cabinets.  For example, I'm here to learn about building a custom cabinet.

Wrong way: The guy who told you to rip it apart is an idiot.
Right way: I'll buy it off you!
Also right: You should sell it to someone who wants this game and build your own, so you aren't destroying a classic game.

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--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on March 29, 2012, 06:11:37 pm ---But, the most important thing that you need to decide is what you want to do with your cab. The biggest single mistake that somebody in your position can make is trying to fit a project to the cabinets on hand. Neither cab you mention is a good candidate for anything more than a single player machine.

Check the wiki and projects ... you will achieve superior results if you take a few hours and evaluate things. It is easy enough to trade your glitchy AstroBlaster for a cabinet far superior for your purposes.

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I did rip into ark pretty strongly, but I know him better than you do. Do the research -- he actually is an idiot.

I specifically didn't rip into the OP for suggesting that he kill his classics, but pointed him in some useful directions to gather ideas and figure out what he wanted instead of having him shoehorn a solution based on the advice of somebody who doesn't really know what they are talking about.

Feel free to listen to me or to ignore me or you can just randomly judge me ... for judging someone else.

 ;)

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