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paigeoliver:
It would be easier to play if you didn't angle anything. The part to absorb is that the sticks are not supposed to be angled. I am very sorry that so many people have made that mistake and sorrier still that some of them pretend it isn't one. Just don't do it. It isn't something that needs a solution or an option it is something that shouldn't be done.

A gamepad works at any angle not so much because you are moving relative you are moving relative to your body, but because your thumb is moving relative to its own natural position on your hand. Thus it is easily learned and pretty much works at any angle. On an arcade joystick the only natural reference point you have is the game screen. You have to trust your ability to follow that natural reference point more than the ability to use your body (which will almost never be at the exact same angle as the joystick) as a reference point. It has been tried time and time again and it doesn't work.

You aren't the special case in which angled sticks are going to work. Your project isn't the special case. There is no special situation to use angled sticks, not even if you personally have the ability to easily adapt to them. You aren't going to be the one playing on player 4, your friend Bob will and he is going to have trouble with it, or your little cousin Terry will and he won't be able to use it at all.

There is not a single merit to angled sticks. There is no real discussion to even be had about them. For 10 years the discussion of angled sticks has consisted of a small minority of the gamepad obsessed, trolls and some who already built angled sticks (and don't want to admit fault), trying to defend the idea while the other 90 percent try to help them. Again and again the people who are trying to help show pictures of dedicated 4-player panels and how they weren't angled. Over and over again some who built them angled chime in and admit it was a mistake. Yet over and over again people try to turn it into a discussion.

yotsuya:
This weekend, when I went to Castles N' Coasters, I decided to try this out for myself. My natural inclination would be that yes, P3 and P4 should be angled to the screen in order for things to feel right. They have a few 4 player games there, and I checked - all the joysticks from the factory are installed straight up (no angling).

I put some credits in and I used the P3 controls (far left). I started off by playing straight-forward, directly in front of the machine. Obviously, I had no issues. I then, stepped to the side, playing as if I were the third player and someone were occupying the P1 area. Although my body was angled towards the screen, I had NO issues with the joystick. When I wanted to move up on screen, reflexively I pushed the joystick in the up direction relative to the screen, not "up" relative to me. It the same with the sides. I even moved so that I was standing on the side of the cabinet altogether (you should have seen the looks I got), but it made no difference. You just instinctively know where to go.

So there you go, tested out in an arcade on a real machine 5 days ago. You don't need to angle your sticks.

Le Chuck:

--- Quote from: yotsuya on March 01, 2012, 11:41:31 am ---...Although my body was angled towards the screen, I had NO issues with the joystick. When I wanted to move up on screen, reflexively I pushed the joystick in the up direction relative to the screen, not "up" relative to me. It the same with the sides. I even moved so that I was standing on the side of the cabinet altogether (you should have seen the looks I got), but it made no difference. You just instinctively know where to go.

So there you go, tested out in an arcade on a real machine 5 days ago. You don't need to angle your sticks.

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That right there should come on a little slip of paper taped to every joystick sold.   :applaud:

HaRuMaN:

--- Quote from: yotsuya on March 01, 2012, 11:41:31 am ---This weekend, when I went to Castles N' Coasters...

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What?  And I wasn't invited?

yotsuya:

--- Quote from: HaRuMaN on March 01, 2012, 12:11:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: yotsuya on March 01, 2012, 11:41:31 am ---This weekend, when I went to Castles N' Coasters...

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What?  And I wasn't invited?


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It was Family Fun Day for my daughter's school. Trust me, you'll be getting your fill of those soon enough!  :cheers:

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