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Bootay:
Agreed. I have LCD TVs for watching TV and playing modern consoles (360, PS3, etc.) and a 27' CRT for my classic consoles (Atari 2600, NES, etc.). The arcade monitor in my cab hasn't died yet so I am still sticking with that (even though the damned thing weighs as much as my car). If my arcade monitor ever dies, I will look into trying an LCD with Vanilla's described settings, but until then I will stick with my CRT. If I ever went LCD I would definitely shoot for a 4:3 though.

ahofle:

--- Quote from: RandyT on November 16, 2011, 04:44:16 pm ---If you want to talk weight, size, power consumption and new availability, CRT's will lose every time.  But folks who like them don't care about any of those things. 

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Exactly I never understand why those are listed as such huge drawbacks of CRTs.  I mean how often are people moving their CRTs around?  And power consumption -- I'll bet 90% of the people touting that as a huge deal breaker drive gas guzzling cars and leave their computers running 24x7.  ;D

JODY:

--- Quote from: honkey on November 16, 2011, 01:30:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: JODY on November 16, 2011, 01:26:12 pm ---My major issue is I can't get some games to use more of the screen.  E.g. Williams games like Joust and Robotron wind up taking up a small box in the middle of the screen.  I realize this is due to scaling the resolution up but I would think it should be able to be done so that it uses the full height of the screen.  Anyone know how to work around this?

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That is weird... I didn't change any settings at all and Joust takes up the full height of the screen.

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I'm using the onboard ATI graphics hooked up to a Samsung 52" 1080p TV.  I don't plan on using this for arcade games.  It is my HTPC but use it for playing around with MAME, etc.  I have the same issue on another PC wih a 22" 1080p monitor.  It also has onboard ATI graphics. 

Jack Burton:
RE: increasing scarcity of CRT's

Right now there are millions upon millions of CRT's just sitting around unused.  Most of them are in excellent condition.

Now, many of those are televisions and pc monitors, so perhaps they aren't quite what people are referring to when they say CRT's are becoming rare.  What they really mean is arcade monitors are becoming rare.

And perhaps they are.  However, the demand for them is also much less than it used to be.  Operators are content to use LCD replacements, and the only real market for arcade monitors now is in the hands of the amateurs like us. 

If you look on ebay right now and use the search term "CGA monitor" you'll find a variety of CRT's for sale that are suitable for use in an arcade machine and will produce a very nice image. 

Going back to the notion of televisions and PC monitors; there are probably 1000x  as many of these as there are CGA "arcade" monitors in existence.  These have some big drawbacks, notably the tv's only supporting coaxial input, or the pc monitors not accepting 15khz resolutions. 

For the time being, the coaxial-only tv's are not going to be a popular option.  The image quality just doesn't cut it.  I'd rather have an LCD.  We shouldn't throw them all out though.  They can potentially still be used by hacking their circuitry to add RGB inputs, or using their tubes for tube swaps to replace ones with burn-in.   They can also have their chassis replaced relatively easily and be converted to arcade use. 

PC monitors are usually very nice.  They have solid construction, and have RGB video over the VGA cable.  The only downside is that they usually have a very fine dot pitch and will not sync to 15khz.  They can be run at 120hz in MAME for native resolution.  I personally believe this mode is vastly superior to using some manner of scaling.  This can't currently be done easily with a real arcade pcb. 

There is one more kind of CRT out there.  The "pro" monitor.  Things like the Sony PVM, or NEC XM series.  These are actually rather plentiful on ebay, and other places like medical surplus warehouses.  For all nearly all intents and purposes, they are the equal of any arcade monitor.  And best of all, they're still being made.  I believe the future of arcade CRT's may lie with these as time goes by. 

DCsegaDH:
I just got an 28" 16x10 LCD monitor, I'm using filters so it looks pretty good. I don't have enough money for a arcade monitor or the room to fit one in, I'm building a Japanese style sit down cabinet. If I did have the room I would probably got a CRT arcade monitor in a normal cabinet, but right now I'm sticking with the LCD monitor. I like both, its just preference anyway. 

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