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Vigo:

--- Quote from: ChadTower on June 24, 2011, 12:29:47 pm ---
--- Quote from: Vigo on June 24, 2011, 11:24:19 am ---how long should Dan be given before being declared another con artist?

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Dan has done nothing so far to indicate he is any sort of con artist.  If we ever get new reports of new orders not being filled then we can think about this. 

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I know, I was not implying that he was either. I guess my point is that there should be a time frame that Dan is accountable for, because this sort of thing can be left to drag on for years. The whole wait and see thing has to have a limit.

scofthe7seas:
Ugh. Stupid sleeping making it difficult to follow this. Why can't you people be courteous, with respect to my inactivity schedule. I post during work hours, what more can be asked of me!! ;) :D

I'm totally sorry, Alpha1. Please don't take that opinion as the typical belief held here. Nobody, NOBODY, myself included, has been holding beliefs that Dave did not give the elgrande shafto to everyone. I'm even going to say he actually did harm the arcade community as a whole. I wasn't there for all that stuff, but I have read many of the threads regarding it and; God. Damn.

As far as a schedule goes, I think something like that would be difficult to lie out. It would be difficult or impossible to predict the amount of (basically) donations. Monies will be available for the reparations. *I think the best we can hope for is a constant and moderately steady/stable level of payments.* As far as the current situation is going, even for the people with giant debts owed, I think they will get repaid. Though it may take a while, and certainly (I was going to say very likely, but no) be paid back in pieces at a time.
As far as this being a scam, as many have said, let's wait and see. I feel like so much of this discussion is based on what could happen, while there is no actual evidence that it is or will. As I've said before, we can be ready for some sweet mob justice, but let's not jump the gun!

Mark my words though, somebody WILL cry foul. Soon I believe. I am of the opinion that it will be a false alarm, so I implore Dan to continue the high level of communication he has been. Give no reasons for doubt. Keep up the good work!

Edited for clarification, represented with asterisks

leapinlew:

--- Quote from: scofthe7seas on June 24, 2011, 12:54:45 pm ---As far as a schedule goes, I think something like that would be difficult to lie out. It would be difficult or impossible to predict what amount of (basically) donations.

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The schedule doesn't need to be fixed to dollars. It can be fixed to units sold. So, for example, for every 3 X items he sells he can send a previous person their unit. The best thing he could do is provide as much transparency as he can. He has a "plan" but so does Billy Mitchell.

Share the plan.

scofthe7seas:

--- Quote from: leapinlew on June 24, 2011, 01:00:32 pm ---The schedule doesn't need to be fixed to dollars. It can be fixed to units sold. So, for example, for every 3 X items he sells he can send a previous person their unit. The best thing he could do is provide as much transparency as he can. He has a "plan" but so does Billy Mitchell.

Share the plan.

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I can get behind that, though I think it would be better represented with profits. Say for instance, one third of profits gained go towards a total owed. (the man's got to make a living, as well)
This doesn't mean the total owed because obviously a large portion of the payments have and will be product, so the profit percentage will be going into shipping and handlings, making the reparations come along at a decent rate.

bkenobi:
This won't be popular, but I don't think Dan should try to make the big ticket orders whole.  I think the people who ordered SW cabinets that were impossible for DAVE to build (since he was, you know, missing all the parts...) would be even more impossible for DAN to finish.  The cost of those units is enormous and even giving store credit wouldn't make things right.  IMO (again, just my opinion), Dan can fill back ordered parts that he has and nothing more.  I still say people are pushing too hard as he's not liable, just trying to do what he feels is best for his new company (Dan's RAM Controls...as opposed to DAVE's RAM Controls).  The people who will never get what they paid DAVE for should continue to pursue legal action against DAVE.

But, that's my opinion as an outsider to this whole mess.   :dunno

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