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rikitiki:
I think Dan is nothing more than hired PR.
like a crooked politician or declining movie star that screws up in the public eye
they'll hire a team to reconstruct and handle PR to put them in a new shinning light.
and I think Dan knows alot more than hes letting on.


LMAO


and from the sounds of some of these posts it seems to be working  ???
But when I start seeing people on the cockpit list or even the LL/MC Control Panel list...
Sorry but the BYOC really needs to get out more

FrizzleFried:

--- Quote from: leapinlew on June 23, 2011, 04:35:08 pm ---So let me make sure I got your side of the story right. We should shun RAM controls even though people are getting their orders? We should be just as vicious as you are until EVERY LAST CENT (as you put it) is repaid. And then what? Then all of a sudden RAM is ok? How are you going to verify every last penny has been repaid?

I think your mixing up your real identity with an alter ego who's job it is to protect arcade enthusiasts. Thanks for protecting us SuperArcade Man

Let me know when it's safe to order!

And for the record: I'm not saying it's safe to order from RAM. I'm saying order with caution. The company has a bad track record.

--- End quote ---

How long have you been here Lew?  How many times have you seen RAM pull this SAME ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---?  

Don't you feel somewhat obligated to point out the history of this company Lew?   Wouldn't you feel even a little bad if someone contacted you in 6 months and said "Lew,  based on a post of yours it pushed me over the edge and I decided to spend $X with RAM and got screwed"?

Will I know when ALL people have been paid off?  Nope... but I am sure I'll get wind of when some of the cockpit victims get restitution... that's when I'd be convinced that "whoever" is running RAM is serious about getting people paid... not until then.

The fact that Dave/RAM fraudulently ADVERTISED, SOLD and COLLECTED MONEY for a phantom product (SW Cockpit) appalls me...

...and the fact that he LIED to more than one person stating "It's READY TO SHIP" to get MORE MONEY from these folks... well,  I'll leave it at that.

If you folks want to do business with a company that would pull that kind of ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---... so be it.  I for one WILL NOT. 

PS: I've still not seen a shred of evidence that Dave's still not running the show.




GibsonRiddler:
Thread of rikitiki on coinopspace

http://www.coinopspace.com/forum/topic/show?id=2467396%3ATopic%3A147400

Post By Joaquim D states he went to Dan's to get the yoke control in person.

Vigo:
You guys could easily be right, Dan could be a PR guy, friend or Employee doing a crooked stunt of Dave's.. A lot of things don't quite add up, and this being a stunt is always a possibility. Who really knows though.  :dunno

I don't think anyone should jump down Dan's throat based on an assumption like that, though. Mostly because isn't really productive. Dave wasn't about to fulfill any orders a month ago, now at least we are seeing a spark of something. I don't know if it is legit or a stunt, but I think a much more productive use of this anger is to find out what Dan's plan is for resolving this mess and if it is a reasonable plan, holding him to it. If this is a scam, then we are doing exactly what Dave wants; being too busy bickering to notice whether or not they are doing their job. A little maturity on our end might make a difference here, so let's put the ball in Dan's court and give him a chance to tell us his plan and prove himself.

If he has accountants and advisors helping him put together this plan, then the plan will follow a schedule. I think it also goes without saying that the customers have a right to know what that schedule is on when they will be paid back or supplied with their goods. So why don't we:

1) Hear out Dan's Plan and verify that it would in some way settle everybody's debts.
2) Assuming the plan and the schedule are reasonable, give Dan the benefit of the doubt, be respectful and lets try to make things work. Try to meet him half way and be fair. Agree to support him just as any other seller in the community once the debt is resolved.
3) If he fails to follow through, we should all agree to hold his feet to the fire as hard as we can. Take any and all action necessary to keep scam controls from screwing anyone in the community again.

rbarr110:

--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on June 23, 2011, 06:08:34 pm ---
If you folks want to do business with a company that would pull that kind of ---That which is odoriferous and causeth plants to grow---... so be it.  



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ALL OF WHAT I SAY BELOW IS PREDICATED ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT DAVE IS NO LONGER A PART OF RAM CONTROLS

I have been here for several years...not necessarily an incredibly active member, but well aware of the RAM Controls announcement of a yoke in progress with pre-orders being taken.  I was incredibly disappointed when the whole thing went down hill after the yokes had been completed and alot of people never received a prepaid yoke.

But it is statements like the one quoted above that I find ridiculous.

It baffles me that people cannot differentiate that a company name is not necessarily the same old company when someone new takes it over.  

For example my father, now retired, owned and ran a business for 25+ years.  Wanting to retire, he sold the company and its assets to new ownership.  The new owner completely changed the way the business ran...in my opinion, the new management took it downhill...but the business has the same name but is being managed completely different, the original owner having ZERO involvement.  Did my father drive the business downhill??? No, he isn’t the business, and neither is DAN necessarily the old “Ram Controls”.

So now we have a company, that had been piss poorly managed, essentially taken over by a new person, that on initial appearances, is making things right, yet people can not differentiate the two.

DAN technically owes nothing to anyone, the issue is with DAVE and not Ram Controls.  I, however, am choosing to wait things out a bit longer before making a purchase.  I can completely agree with choosing not to do business with Ram Controls because of the past, but trying to be a moralistic, elitist ass, pointing fingers at those that choose to do business with DAN is ridiculous because it is not the same as purchasing from DAVE.

If you are owed something from DAVE, hopefully DAN is making good on it now, and that appears to be happening.  I for one am reserving my judgement on DAN and the new Ram Controls….as far as DAVE is concerned, string him up.

Writing all this wont change the minds of those that are so vehemently and angrily arguing their point that doing business with DAN is wrong, but hopefully will add a more level headed perspective to those that don’t necessarily know the history.

If you choose to buy, "buyer beware", there is a shady past to the name "Ram Controls", that is all that really needs to be said by anyone.  

Hopefully it is true that DAN is taking care of things the way they should have been done in the first place.  

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