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matsadona:
I think I lost it somewere... - is it cleared out once and for all exact what the legal status is regarding the business take over?
What legal consequences does the take over put Dan in, regarding old debts from previous customers?

But based on the rhetoric here, Dan would have been out of debt to all that got screwed by Dave if only he didn't keep the RAM Controls name and website? Perhaps that would have been the best way, based on a lot stupid comments here?
But I'm pretty sure that kind of stunt would have unleashed an even worse storm from the same people bashing him for trying to do something good...
Even though there is of course the thought of personal profit, I really think Dan is taking a higher road than most would have done if they got the RAM Controls stock in their posession.

RayB:

--- Quote from: bradx on June 19, 2011, 02:37:24 am ---bp leaked a bunch of oil into the gulf of mexico.  afterwards, they got a new CEO.  so now did BP not leak a bunch of oil into the gulf of mexico?
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Incorported businesses (corporations) have different legal structures and liabilities than sole proprietorships and parnterships.

CheffoJeffo:

--- Quote from: amendonz on June 19, 2011, 02:57:05 am ---I just hope frizzle fried gets the respect he has deserved for so long.

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Wait, wat ?

 :dizzy:

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nick3092:

--- Quote from: matsadona on June 19, 2011, 05:34:32 pm ---I think I lost it somewere... - is it cleared out once and for all exact what the legal status is regarding the business take over?
What legal consequences does the take over put Dan in, regarding old debts from previous customers?

But based on the rhetoric here, Dan would have been out of debt to all that got screwed by Dave if only he didn't keep the RAM Controls name and website? Perhaps that would have been the best way, based on a lot stupid comments here?
But I'm pretty sure that kind of stunt would have unleashed an even worse storm from the same people bashing him for trying to do something good...
Even though there is of course the thought of personal profit, I really think Dan is taking a higher road than most would have done if they got the RAM Controls stock in their posession.


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I'm dealing with a similar issue with the company that installed my A/C unit.  It never worked right from day one.  They covered it under warranty, until they went into receivership and another contractor bought their assets.  They also kept the same name.  Now the "new" company made a small number of good will visits (which they still failed to fix the unit) and have since started billing me.  I spoke to a lawyer and she said it's possible they may not be liable, based on the asset purchase agreement.  I'm guessing this is a similar type of deal.

I think Dan is doing an honorable thing by trying to make things right, when legally, he probably doesn't have to.  Based on that, I think he should be given some leeway on things for a while until he either proves he doesn't operate like Dave, or he proves he operates like Dave.

And for the record, I was one of the people who was almost ripped off by Dave.  I was one of the people who preorderd, and it took me 9 months, a double credit card billing, and a bad yoke that took a month to get replaced.  But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

wbassett:
I'm not sure I understand why Dan is being attacked.  I agree the people that paid for orders need to either finally get their item, or get a refund- and it sounds like Dan is doing that, and sounds sincere in wanting to make things right.

To me he has two options, the first is to take all his inventory and fill all the back orders... probably leaving him with just a handfull of parts, not enough to make full units.  Now he would have to spend a boat load of money to get things rolling again, and who knows if he ever would.  Or even if he'd want to after all the expenses with no return to put back into the company.

The second option would be to slowly fill back orders while also selling some new units.   I can't say for sure, but the Star Wars yoke looks like the price went up just a bit since Dave was 'selling' (taking money and not shipping).  I just assumed that this is to cover expenses and be able to get new units out while also getting some money flowing to keep the business afloat while all the people that got screwed are being taken care of.

Just because someone buys a business doesn't make them a bad guy or the same as those that previously owned the company.  Of course it could be a con job too... a good con man always builds confidence and is likeable at the same time, otherwise the con wouldn't work.  So yeah that could be what's going on, but me personally I am not one to crucify someone without first letting them prove themselves.

Let's just say I'd never want to be an innocent man on trial with some of you here as the jury!  It wouldn't matter what evidence is shown, I'd be guilty before the trial even started!  Give Dan a chance to prove himself.  If he starts screwing people then he'll never sell anything in this community again.  I look at it this way,  If Dan didn't take over the company, nobody would be getting anything right now.  Everyone would be screwed.

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