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Lilwolf:
I DID create a perfect replica of a defender control panel for my hot swappable... and after hundred bucks or so, and a weekend... you know what I found out?  I suck at defender...

I thought I used to be good at it... but no... I suck...

I'm pretty sure with a joystick... I would suck still. 

what I need is a 486dx2-66... I bet I wouldn't suck so bad at 50% frame rate!  Oh yeah!  If my reaction time goes down as I get older... I think this is the ONLY fair way to proceed!


--- Quote from: RandyT on May 11, 2011, 12:44:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: D_Harris on May 11, 2011, 04:44:43 am ---Well, if you mean that the less talent you had the more quarters you needed to put into the games then I agree.

And any control format other than the original is for lamers. :D

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The big problem with these titles on a home machine, which I alluded to earlier, is that without a perfect replica of the original panel, an already difficult game becomes much more difficult.  And even though I have an original panel here, and the short 2-way control hiding in a box somewhere, it's probably not going to find its way to a panel on my machine. 

The bottom line is; if it's not fun to play because not having the original controls and layout makes the game significantly more difficult than it was in the arcade, then a modification which makes the game fun (and playable) on the controls you have, is a far better option than simply not playing the game.  :cheers:

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leapinlew:

--- Quote from: D_Harris on May 11, 2011, 03:34:09 pm ---Nevertheless, I'm a purist when it comes to Defender/StarGate.

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To each their own I guess. I have a Wico Leaf installed on my Donkey Kong because I feel the Wico is superior in performance to an original nintendo joystick.

Battling the controls isn't my idea of a good time and I don't think it takes away too much from the game.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: D_Harris on May 11, 2011, 03:34:09 pm ---Well, I was actually addressing what the OP said along with what you said in your first response to him.

You both appeared to convey that the original controls made the game more difficult than is needed to be. (And I'm also aware that quite a few others believe that a different control format would make the game easier).


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I don't think either of us mentioned that we were using the original controls or layout.  Most posting here won't be.  Even if you manage to put a 2-way stick in place, there's a really good chance that it won't be a leaf-switch based stick tweaked for immediate response, or that the button is close enough to it, and both of those aspects of the control scheme are, IMHO, crucial to gameplay.  Based on my own experiences with the title, my assumption and response was that part of the frustration experienced by the OP was the lack of original controls.  Sans those controls, a normal 8-way "hack" would probably be much less frustrating.

D_Harris:

--- Quote from: RandyT on May 11, 2011, 04:19:02 pm ---
--- Quote from: D_Harris on May 11, 2011, 03:34:09 pm ---Well, I was actually addressing what the OP said along with what you said in your first response to him.

You both appeared to convey that the original controls made the game more difficult than is needed to be. (And I'm also aware that quite a few others believe that a different control format would make the game easier).


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I don't think either of us mentioned that we were using the original controls or layout.  Most posting here won't be.  Even if you manage to put a 2-way stick in place, there's a really good chance that it won't be a leaf-switch based stick tweaked for immediate response, or that the button is close enough to it, and both of those aspects of the control scheme are, IMHO, crucial to gameplay.  Based on my own experiences with the title, my assumption and response was that part of the frustration experienced by the OP was the lack of original controls.  Sans those controls, a normal 8-way "hack" would probably be much less frustrating.



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???

That is actually not how the discussion started out.

There is no question the OP was referring to the original control format(layout). And you responded in agreement.

In fact, you did mention the lay out. And you suggested a hack that would allow control of the ship with a joystick, which would lead one to think that you are referring to manipulating "Reverse"(Left/Right) with the joystick and not just "Up" and "Down".

Now I would only play using the original controls. So obviously I'd prefer using the original layout also. (I even came up with a solution for repairing the original Williams 2-way joysticks for these games).

Darren Harris
Staten Island, New York.

RandyT:

--- Quote from: D_Harris on May 11, 2011, 04:40:24 pm ---There is no question the OP was referring to the original control format(layout). And you responded in agreement.

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I think you read too much into it.


--- Quote from: RandyT on May 11, 2011, 01:35:43 am ---Otherwise, a close to original control panel layout is nearly a necessity.

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