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Vigo:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on May 06, 2011, 01:27:22 am ---Thanks for posting those, because after this ridiculous "angled joysticks are acceptable" argument I was about to. 

You can't angle your joysticks.... period.  This is one of the few taboos you should never break.  It's right up there with making a "left handed fighter panel" with the buttons on the left and the joystick on the right. 

I mean it's your machine so you can do anything you want, but if you actually want other people to be able to play games on it then there are a few rules you have to stick to.

I also take offense to people calling those giving the correct advice arrogant.  We aren't arrogant, we have been doing this longer, we've built more cabinets then you have, many of us have prior experience in the arcade industry.  In short, we know what we are doing while people newer to the hobby don't.  If we tell you not to do something it is probably because at one point we, or somebody we know tried what you are suggesting and it turned out horribly. 

Learn from our mistakes.... we are here to help, not post judgment.  (Even though sometimes the two blend together).

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Hey Howard, I think if you reread the thread you would see I am not really pushing anyone towards angled joysticks, I am merely pointing out that it ended up working for me. I am not calling anyone who says otherwise wrong, arrogant, or giving incorrect advice or anything. I even point out that I always believed the same thing. I just recently came to the realization that there can be an exception to the rule, but I didn't even know why.

I think if anything useful is to be gotten out of this whole thing, it is that there are tried and true standards, and that is where anyone with questions is to be directed toward. Overall, this is the builder's personal machine, and they can build it however they want, even if they want buttons on the left, or angle joysticks or a 3 headed ostrich glued to it. Just make a test panel to try out what works best before investing in making the finished product.


Also, sorry rcub3. I never intended this to turn into a "religious debate".

scofthe7seas:
Back on topic: Avoiding a Frankenpanel.

Don't put weird asymmetrical ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- on there, agreed?

Donkbaca:
nah, you can be symmetrical and still have  a franken panel.  To avoid a franken panel, build one that will play most things, not everything

Xiaou2:
The debate is like the choice of Car you want to drive.

  A sports car has pretty lines, a powerful engine, superior performance components, superior handling at high speeds...

But if has negatives:

 No storage space, only 2 seats, fuel costs, very expensive to purchase & own, no AC, limited gadgetry, horrible ride for long trips (stiff suspension).


 So maybe you want a minivan?  It can transport a lot more stuff... but, it doesnt look too good comparatively.

 What about some sort of crossover?   They have sleeker body lines... however, the capacity to hold stuff is extremely reduced.


 The solution that mirrors a lot of the bashing around here:

 Buy all types of cars.  One for each type of purpose you need / want.

 Drawback?   Not everyone can afford that solution.  Not everyone has the garage space to contain them.  Not everyone wants to deal with the hassle of swapping cars all the time... rather than just driving a single vehicle.


 From the pictures here, we can see that D&D doesnt look very nice.  However, if you like that game, you dont really care.  Its got 4 players w/ 4 buttons, in a relatively small space to fit 4 people.  Its the minivan of control panels.

 The Gauntlet pedestal cab, is much more pleasing visually, but its also much wider, and required a pedestal for viewing angles to be Ok.  This takes up much more floor space.  With the superior artwork and nicer layout, I guess you could consider this a  Stretch Limo.  (even this one isnt perfectly symmetrical, due to saving a little more space.  Most well functioning cabs are not symmetrical. Then again, many artworks are against symmetry ;)  )

 And Vigo, with his steering wheels and pedals at 45 degree angles.. is driving a custom built   "accident waiting to happen" car   ;)   (sorry, couldnt resist Vigo)


 Anyways, the deal is that its up to the individual as to whats most important to them.  Ride comfort, storage, looks, price, space, etc.  There can be any number of combination of assemblies to get the desired results... but make no mistake, you cant get everything you want without Some sort of compromise.

 The best solution could be said as purchase of an entire Arcade... but not everyone could do that.  And even then, the compromise is money, repair costs/time, higher electric bills, heating/cooling expenses for the building/space, etc.

 There are many solutions to getting more options than was standard.  But as said, there will still always be some compromises.

 Drive what you like.  Play what you like. 

 Make a list of whats most important to you beforehand, and go from there.

Vigo:

--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on May 06, 2011, 03:51:04 pm --- And Vigo, with his steering wheels and pedals at 45 degree angles.. is driving a custom built   "accident waiting to happen" car   ;)   (sorry, couldnt resist Vigo)

--- End quote ---

And people said it was my driving that was 45 degrees off. See? It was the car all along.

Oh wait, this is an analogy?




Well, I guess I had that coming.....

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