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Vigo:

Snarf?

Xiaou2:

--- Quote ---I guess I may have played more console gaming from ages earlier than you have, but I am used to joysticks just as much as controllers. Atari, commodore, nes advantage. made no difference in orientation to screen when using the joysticks, even when I used the arcade bat style joysticks.
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 My Grampa showed us a Vic20 when it first came out. I think I was 7.. maybe.  He gave us his C64, when he went to c128, owned a 2600, played coleco, nes, and intellivision systems. Bought an Amiga, Sega Master, Sega Genesis/CDX, Snes, Lynx, NeoGeo CD, PS1, PS2, and prolly something else Im forgetting.

 Ive played on just about every type of controller and joystick you can imagine, on both home systems, and the arcades.  I grew up in a city where arcades were monstrous in the 80s, And as said, I managed a busy mall arcade for 3yrs.

 Ive seen it all. Ive fixed it all.  Ive even hand built my own controllers from scratch.

 I currently own 3 coinop machines, and 3 pins.  I own two of almost every controller that has ever been created for an arcade machine.

 Im no slouch when it comes to game skillz either.  And as for coordination, concentration, and orientation... Im a skilled martial artist, starting at age 20, now am 37.  I can stop a full speed strike within a mm of the target if I so choose, have used a Shaolin toe stab to accurately nab pressure points on a moving live skilled artist.  Have demo'd sightless responses to attacks (using feel, positioning, and awareness alone).  Ive redirected a strike + hit the target with the other hand + kicked a limb... all in the same moment of time,  in full contact sparring many times.
Few have developed the level of skills and bodily awareness that Ive attained.


--- Quote ---I agree that is true with a traditional arcade machine, but with home machines and pedestal machine expanding, I think players can disassociate themselves with the monitor more and connect to the controls more. That's my experience at least.  I dunno!
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 Id be pretty much willing to bet money you couldnt play the angled sticks and beat a good player in an intensive game (like a modern fighting game) against them.  All it takes is one slip up... and Id bet you have slipped up many more times than that in a single session.  Though, Im betting you have never really spent any real depth of time playing angled controls. Probably stuck your guest on them instead.

 As for Pedestals, it doesnt matter.  For one thing, there are many large 4p control panels out there, such as the original D&D games.  There were also many Pedestal games made in the 90s/00s.


--- Quote ---I agree you can't angles the controls on a Gauntlet. My only point is that for home machines, angled joysticks can work as long as certain conditions are right. Conditions that were not found ever effective on commercial machines, so they were not used. Conditions like space for each player, a degree of separation from the screen, and a clear angled set of controls that the player knows can acknowledge the angle they are playing at.
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 For one, I can tell you havent seen a lot of the larger 4player cps that were in the arcades.  Gauntlet is a rare exception with its highly condensed CP.  Most of the others are beasts, and used non-enclosed 25" monitors, with plenty of viewability for all the players.  NONE of these angled the sticks, when clearly they COULD have done so to save space and money.  Of course, this is all ignoring all the rigorous testing and feedback they got from massed of players...

 As Ive said before, it does not matter if the CP has a definite angle, nor if the buttons are also at that perfect angle.  The player will STILL mess up and press into the screen instead of at the diagonal thats required.  If you are deep in the game, you will lose your ability to make the additional translation corrections.  And being that you still cant FEEL the angles, you will easily lose track of it.

 If you yourself havent yet had this problem, then its probably to do with the game being easy as pie, and you not playing for a very long period of time.. or you are simply looking past the mistakes you made because you cant handle the fact that all your hard work that your so proud of, was made out of ignorance, and is poorly functioning.

Vigo:
 :blowup: I think it's my cue to not even respond to this junk anymore. You say one little thing that goes against these people's dogma, and they won't stop. I guess if I don't conform to agree with explicit opinions of the self proclaimed forum wizards, I'm shunned with great walls of text, trampolines, hotdogs, and claims that I am the arrogant one. :bat





I hope this ends this madness.

Ahem. Your attention please. 

1) There is never ever ever ever any situation where an angled joystick can be used around any kind of arcade related machine...ever. Just because I was forced to angle my joysticks so that my guests would no longer be confused by the controls only proves that angled controls are always bad...somehow.

2) I was not an arcade manager, therefore I can't state any opinion that is not shared by the wizards, even it it has nothing to do with real commercial arcade machines.

3) Crappy spelling and walllz of text is da bomb!

4) I am not allowed to try to form any form of "best games" list because I am incapable of knowing what games I like.
(I still don't get that one.)

5) Centipede RULEEZ!!

Xiaou2:




scofthe7seas:
You absolutely lost every potential ounce of credability with the phrase "Shaolin Toe Stab".  :notworthy:

 I literally could not read further. I was trying, I was going along with what you were saying. Then boom. Had to stop.

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