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the state of mame
Cakemeister:
If I had time I would contribute some of it to MAME. For the new year I'm considering not watching television, maybe that will free up some time.
I would just do save states and stuff like that. I don't have time to contribute another driver like I did with the Galaga tripleship driver I did a couple of years ago.
FrizzleFried:
--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 15, 2010, 05:30:55 pm ---"reap the benefits of being part of MameDev"
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Galaga and Mortal Kombat 2 are already emulated. Nobody cares about MAME anymore.
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That small sentence really stood out for me too. Please... explain the "benefits" of being a MAMEDev... I'm dying to know.
Loafmeister:
Good info in this thread. You know, the biggest issue Haze is that many, maybe even most people(?) don't care about the documentation, programming the right way, no hacks, etc. They just want the games to work, period. I'm not suggesting this is the right way to proceed, but there's obviously two alternative views of Mame and you're in one camp and many (the users) are in the other. If you were to put up a mame version that had Model 2 support running at 60FPS on a single core PC, it would get record downloads and people wouldn't care if it's because of hacks (I know that's not likely to happen, just an example), they just want to play the games. Think of the movie industry. We don't care if Jurassic Park had cool dinos because of CGI effects or practical effects, we just want them to look cool, to work. The same is with software.
You're preaching to the choir. I get that things need to be done right but I do think the average joe just doesn't give a crap. Before the brick is thrown the other way and people call out words like "leech" and "greed", keep in mind when the first mame came out and added multi-emulator support, people didn't care if it was coded properly, they just thought it was cool to run (insert favourite game) and that was that. People only started to care when Mame, due to its size and complexity, became an entity of its own and needed structure to ensure as you say, nothing gets broken and benefits can be made across the entire emulation cores. Structure makes sense.
I wish good luck to the entire mame team/project. I don't believe it's dead but I sure don't think the days of old will come back. That might not be such a terrible thing, we've already been gifted so much and if things slow down, then they slow down.
ark_ader:
To be honest, Mame was complete for me at .84. Mame is all about playing the games than archiving the technology which is part of their original mandate and that Grey legal ROM stance. If they called it quits and stopped emulating games up to a certain year, than I would be more in favor. There is so many machines out there that is not captured properly like old laserdisc technology, or lost games that do end up on ebay from time to time. There is so much in Mame that is buggy, poorly implemented or just ignored.
I see new projects stemming from .84 like CoinOPS for the Xbox, or the up and coming Mame for Android that will reach new admirers. I do not need to buy a $1000 machine to play classics. Classics is what MAME is about.
Haze's post pretty much sums up his Mame's existence. Ever since Aaron replaced him (Aaron is an asset, in any venture BTW) Haze has had this chip on his shoulder, and he likes to take out on the community. Nothing wrong about it, but it is getting old, and it is time to move on.
Haze's comment of his website, is a reflection of his loss of enthusiasm for MAME. Maybe Haze has found a new direction in Mess. Mess definitely needs Haze as he is a brilliant coder, and would be an excellent choice for Lead of the project. I am sure there are many many issues that need fixing, and there is that Laseractive driver waiting to be worked on. ;)
I do not intend any disrespect towards Haze by this post, as I do understand where he is coming from.
Mame threadbare is inaccurate. The resources are there, but not as visible as in the past.
Time to let go Haze. Your baby has grown up and moved on without you.
saint:
--- Quote from: FrizzleFried on December 20, 2010, 04:28:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: pinballjim on December 15, 2010, 05:30:55 pm ---"reap the benefits of being part of MameDev"
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Galaga and Mortal Kombat 2 are already emulated. Nobody cares about MAME anymore.
--- End quote ---
That small sentence really stood out for me too. Please... explain the "benefits" of being a MAMEDev... I'm dying to know.
--- End quote ---
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