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saint:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 13, 2010, 11:25:11 am ---Ok, yes, let me rephrase.

I sure agree MAME is entitled to take a share of profit from, say, Ultracade sales, and I suppose they indeed got some money from Foley, since he also seem to have helped register MAME (logo/name?) with copyright office, or so he says.

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MAME developers don't want money for MAME.


--- Quote ---However, I also believe that if "MAME team" voted whether they wanted to stop production and import of 60-in-1 PCBs, then majority would not mind, but some might even take pride or satisfaction their work ended up in little board which can make people happy. I do not think anyone would vote for the ban really.

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The written MAME license says the opposite. You are speculating. The document is in black and white, there's no room for ambiguity. There's no uncertainty. The MAME license says "Thou shalt not."


--- Quote ---I'm not making any PCBs, nor am I selling any. I'm just playing. There is no disrespect to MAME if I pay instead of download it for free. There is also no point in boycotting these PCBs as that would place you in unfair market, while MAME team if wanted only need to speak to the customs office and all the offending PCBs using MAME would be declared illegal and banned for import, maybe even banned from the market and stores... or so it would seem, in theory.

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You are completely missing the concepts of:

- burden of proof
- international law
- MAMEdev folks are volunteers who do this for love of the work. They are not paid. They do not have a company behind them with resources and legal teams to tackle issues such as this.

saint:

--- Quote from: lilshawn on September 13, 2010, 11:34:56 am ---QUESTION:

if we paid a licencing fee to the developers/owners  of these ROMs upon purchase of the xxx in one board, would that then make it legal?

ANSWER:

I would certainly hope so.

STATEMENT:

I believe there is no system in place whereby a consumer such as Driver-Man can go to pay reparations for such a product to make the ROM's contained in it legal. If there was, i'm sure people would do it.... wouldn't we?

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There used to be a company called StarROMs that had the legal license to sell certain Atari ROMs. I bought every license they could sell me.

It's not directly pertinent to the discussion however. The copyright holders *aren't* selling the right to use the ROMs in these boards, hence there is no right to sell these boards with the ROMs.

lilshawn:

--- Quote ---It's not directly pertinent to the discussion however. The copyright holders *aren't* selling the right to use the ROMs in these boards, hence there is no right to sell these boards with the ROMs.
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agreed, but if there was a scapegoat for legally obtaining the games that would have to be it. these companys have ripped off the IP of the company and selling it for profit.*

* - i can't imagine that the cost of production of the board/computer is much more than what the sale cost is. they are essentially giving the ROMs away with the purchase of the board/computer.

not that i'm supporting them or their ways, just saying, there is more to it than that.

if i might ask, how much where they charging for a licence for a game?

RayB:
oops

saint:

--- Quote from: lilshawn on September 13, 2010, 01:25:34 pm ---
--- Quote ---It's not directly pertinent to the discussion however. The copyright holders *aren't* selling the right to use the ROMs in these boards, hence there is no right to sell these boards with the ROMs.
--- End quote ---

agreed, but if there was a scapegoat for legally obtaining the games that would have to be it. these companys have ripped off the IP of the company and selling it for profit.*

* - i can't imagine that the cost of production of the board/computer is much more than what the sale cost is. they are essentially giving the ROMs away with the purchase of the board/computer.

not that i'm supporting them or their ways, just saying, there is more to it than that.

if i might ask, how much where they charging for a licence for a game?

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It worked out to like a couple of bucks per ROM on average.

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