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Haze:
Dude, you're getting way past the point of annoying.

As the copyright holder of part of the product you are wanting to sell / operate I am telling you, beyond any reasonable doubt, you have no permission to do so.  The MAME license does not grant ANY commercial use, no amount of reselling, or tax changes that.  As I've said, if you wish for further legal advice on the issue please email Namco's lawyers and ask them directly, you will get exactly the same response.  The priorities for the MAME developers do not include having a crack team of paid lawyers, so if you don't believe me, then please contact professionals who are directly involved with one of the rights holders for the copyrights you are directly infringing.

End of story.  Please destroy your illegal product(s), or license them properly.  If you have nothing to hide, and believe you are correct, then do as I say above, and post the response here.  I don't believe you will bother, because you don't want to actually hear the answer you'll get.

Saint, can you please check that this isn't just another username for a certain other argumentative user, and if so, just outright ban them for their absolute moronic attitude and inability to comprehend simple facts regarding the legality of the product they are attempting to sell.  This is clear-cut as the sun rising and the sun setting.  I should not have to waste my time here explaining that somebody has no permission to sell my code / product without my permission at some point in the process, permission that has never been granted.

I do not study law because I do not wish to have to deal with morons like this attempting to justify their pathetic actions despite clearly being in the wrong.  Anybody with more than a peanut for a brain can see that this is just plain common sense, and doesn't need legal papers digging up just to show that.  I have better things to do with my time and this place is becoming a breeding place for such types.  This kind of bull really puts off potential developers.

You can't sell MAME, or any MAME based product. Period.

saint:
* saint responds to a summons.
Driver-Man does not appear to be any other user in disguise for what that's worth. Interestingly however, and either I missed it or I wonder why he didn't raise it earlier, Driver-Man is not posting from North America and is presumably not familiar with and/or referring to American or Canadian laws.

I don't think this site is becoming a hot bed of such issues, though perhaps I'm not seeing the forest for the trees. This question comes up every few months, and has for many years. Typically either the questioner is genuinely ignorant of copyright law and the MAME license and after a brief education understands and moves on to something else, or the questioner has come in with a preconceived notion about what they *want* to be right and are determined not to be confused by facts. Either way, after a few posts I wouldn't bother responding anymore.

By the way, I really like the perspective you (Haze) give as a (former?) coder/contributor to MAME, and appreciate the time you spend answering MAME related questions. Don't let Internet foolishness get you down :)

Haze:

--- Quote from: saint on September 12, 2010, 10:24:11 pm ---* saint responds to a summons.
Driver-Man does not appear to be any other user in disguise for what that's worth. Interestingly however, and either I missed it or I wonder why he didn't raise it earlier, Driver-Man is not posting from North America and is presumably not familiar with and/or referring to American or Canadian laws.

--- End quote ---

Ok, thank you for checking.  The demanding tone for specific answers, and ignorance over every other fact and shard of evidence they are presented with seems strangely familiar.


--- Quote from: saint on September 12, 2010, 10:24:11 pm ---I don't think this site is becoming a hot bed of such issues, though perhaps I'm not seeing the forest for the trees. This question comes up every few months, and has for many years. Typically either the questioner is genuinely ignorant of copyright law and the MAME license and after a brief education understands and moves on to something else, or the questioner has come in with a preconceived notion about what they *want* to be right and are determined not to be confused by facts. Either way, after a few posts I wouldn't bother responding anymore.

By the way, I really like the perspective you (Haze) give as a (former?) coder/contributor to MAME, and appreciate the time you spend answering MAME related questions. Don't let Internet foolishness get you down :)

--- End quote ---

I still contribute to the project, there is still probably more of my code in the actual drivers than the vast majority of other developers.  I just don't think that this subject even needs further debate.  The position of the development team is very clear, and expressed in the license.  No series of actions or chain of sales changes that.  I can understand some people unknowingly operating these things without realizing, but quite frankly trying to argue that you have the legal right to use and sell a product which has never been legal is just stupid, and I won't be making any further posts on the matter.

It annoys me because we try hard to ensure that MAME can't be used as a piracy engine in direct competition with new arcade releases.  These xx-in-1 PCBs go directly against this and are employing MAME in a way which hurts the industry directly, with no permission at all from the development team and in explicit violation of the license agreement.

Malenko:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 12, 2010, 09:39:53 pm ---My angry friend, can you not answer these question:

Q1) You agree nVidia, ATI/AMD, Intel already did sue each other, and therefore these products everyone has/had were illegal at some point in time... and it is/was illegal to possess, buy and sell this hardware? YES/NO


Q2.) U.S. International Trade Commission ruled that Nvidia violated three of five patents held by Rambus which could lead to a possible U.S. ban on the import of some Nvidia products. -- So, anyone who has, buys or sells this offending hardware is breaking the law and can be held accountable for trafficking or possession of illegal item? Or maybe, the government needs to issue a BAN on the particular item first? YES/NO

--- End quote ---

Q1) No
Q2) No

Stop asking and since you wont listen to anything anyone types anyway, you can go ahead and find out why on your own.

*unsubscribes*

Driver-Man:

--- Quote from: Haze ---End of story.  Please destroy your illegal product(s), or license them properly.

--- End quote ---

As soon as you flush down the toilet your Nvidia card with memory controllers for SDR, DDR, DDR2, DDR3, GDDR, and GDDR3 SDRAM, and delete all the game ROMs from your hard drive. -- You refused to answer the question, again, and you do not have any court case to support your claims. I'm laughing.


Has MAME been registered with "copyright office" or whatever office?

Are you sure MAME is legal to start with? Did you read Section 1201'?




--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo ---I'll bet I have bought more of these boards than you have and have NEVER received any declaration that the product was legal or authorized for use.

--- End quote ---

I'll bet you thought you were on "good side", together with everyone else.

Sorry, now go and destroy your illegal product(s), or license them properly!



--- Quote from: RayB ---You know, it's an interesting point Driver-Man eventually got to (but dude, what took you so long to explain it logically?!?!).

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Thanks, your involvement was truly heroic. Let me just ditto this: - they contain infringing content, but when you buy a board, you are not copying the IP. Someone else is guilty of that action.

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