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CheffoJeffo:

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Say it with me ... "Cheffo's right!"

Attaboy!

Malenko:

--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 15, 2010, 11:22:05 am ---Malenko,

You are the weakest link, good bye.


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I disagree, someone provides you with the info you've been begging for and in return you want them to find follow up info for you? Is your gooogles broken?


--- Quote from: Driver-Man on September 15, 2010, 11:16:17 am ---
Very good, I applaud you once more. -- Could you also dig up, somehow, a follow up on that? I wonder what were the charges and if the importers said: "we did not know", and also if there were any international proceedings held for exporters.


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Its epic I told you to go back and re-read the link and you didnt. you just picked out what seemed to put you in the right and ignored everything else.

Also,
http://www.nesplayer.com/features/lawsuits/tengen.htm

DashRendar:

JustMichael:
Driver-Man,
Running any type of "bootleg" board for profit just invites the copyright holders to come in and take everything you own.  The multigame arcade cabinets are easily spotted and reported to either the FBI and/or the copyright holders.  So if anyone gets mad at you (or your staff) for anything,  expect them to report you.  The copyright holder(s) will sue you and have the court freeze your assets (can't take use your bank account(s) or sell your stuff) until the trial is over.  When you can't produce a licensing agreement with the copyright holder(s), the court will give them all your stuff.  As this is going on, they will have made sure that the FBI starts investigating you and then you will face federal charges.  Since you were clearly doing this for profit, the federal court will most likely give you a very hefty fine and at least some prison time to remind you that doing that is wrong.

Considering what you can and most likely would lose by running multigame boards for profit, it isn't worth the few dollars a day they would bring in.  Be smart and stick to single game boards.

Driver-Man:

--- Quote from: JustMichael ---The multigame arcade cabinets are easily spotted and reported to either the FBI and/or the copyright holders.

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"Multigame" does not imply "bootleg" or "illegal". Ultracade Technologies had been handed a 35-count felony indictment by the United States District Court. -- Are any of the Ultracade machines owned by people (who got tax invoice for their purchase) illegal?



--- Quote ---So if anyone gets mad at you (or your staff) for anything,  expect them to report you.

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I said I only bought these PCBs to play, and that is the main argument - whether is it illegal to BUY them, only then comes the question if it would be illegal to SELL them once you've been told it is, or it might be, a bootleg.




--- Quote ---The copyright holder(s) will sue you and have the court freeze your assets (can't take use your bank account(s) or sell your stuff) until the trial is over.

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Bogeyman will get you and eat your teeth.

I'm CUSTOMER, I BOUGHT it, I did NOT MAKE it, ok?

What's more, copyright holders did not press any charges against Ultracade, did they? And no one pressed any charges against anyone in this case where federal customs officials seized 168 coin-op videogames at the Los Angeles seaport. Also, no copyright holder pressed any charges against any CUSTOMER/CONSUMER/BUYER, no matter how many IP were infringed in any one single item in the world, ever.




--- Quote ---When you can't produce a licensing agreement with the copyright holder(s), the court will give them all your stuff.

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Earlier we established there would be no licensing agreement even if those were genuine Pac-Man or whatever boards. Just like when you buy Nvidia card you do not get any Rambus licensing agreement. Which raises the question how did they establish these boards are not properly copyrighted in the first place.




--- Quote ---As this is going on, they will have made sure that the FBI starts investigating you and then you will face federal charges.

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Would I face federal charges if I BUY Ultracade machines?
Would I face federal charges if I OPERATE Ultracade machines?




--- Quote ---Since you were clearly doing this for profit, the federal court will most likely give you a very hefty fine and at least some prison time to remind you that doing that is wrong.

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As I said in about every third post, I only bought these PCBs to play.

Should anyone go to prison for buying Tengen Tetris, Nvidia or Ultracade?



Malenko,

Haze found no proof, someone's opinion is not acceptable source even if it was Nicola himself, especially without any actual evidence presented. On the other hand I'm pretty sure 60-in-1 works with MY version of "MAME", which is not derived from MAME.
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Anyway, what is the issue with MAME demanding non-commercial use? Everyone obviously is very emotional about it, as if there was some actual reason, need or necessity for that to be so.

Just like with legalization of drugs or prostitution, has no one thought that making MAME license free for commercial use would actually be beneficial to whatever goals and purposes MAME is pursuing? At least they would have better chance to be credited, and how cool would it be to see MAME credits on legal machine in real arcades?

That would also make a fair market for everyone, plus healthy competition, so all you cabinet builders could compete with Chinese or Ultracade if you were allowed to sell MAME units (no game ROMs). Everyone wins, so what is so important and worth fighting for about "non-commercial use only"? Is there any reason for it, any at all? -- If MAME could reach settlement with factory of 60-in-1, what would they want?

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