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DashRendar:
--- Quote from: shateredsoul on August 29, 2010, 11:07:00 pm ---come on seriously, maybe we're not understanding each other.. there seems to be several points of disagreement.
so what is the part that pisses people off?
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These are the points I take issue with:
1. Reselling software (Mala frontend, Digital Leisure games, etc) that are actively being sold and are under copyright. This is different than ROMs of games that haven't been in production for decades. This is openly pirating software, taking credit for someone else's work.
2. Selling freeware (MAME, Daphne, etc) whose license agreements state selling them is against their terms. These emulators are developed by the goodwill of a small group of people. If people keep blatantly ignoring their terms, it can increase the legal risk for those developers and they may quit doing it.
3. Seller claiming he has written permission to sell these legally, which is obviously a lie. (Can you trust this seller?)
4. Bringing MAME/ROMS into the spotlight, which can draw attention from the copyright holders and law enforcement to start cracking down on it. This is better as an "underground" movement, at least until the copyrights expire and the I.P. joins the public domain. (Do you want an arcade version of the RIAA getting involved? I don't.)
mmb:
--- Quote from: Rick Elphinstone on August 30, 2010, 12:23:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: mmb on August 30, 2010, 12:21:08 pm ---If you're charging labor in the equation, then you're charging for a product, not just to ship it. That you're only charging a "little" doesn't matter. That he values his time so little doesn't change the fact that there is a charge.
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Not if you call it a 'service'. That's how a lot of people get around legalities. Or at least, tell themselves they got around it. "Oh, I'm not charging for the software on the discs. Oh, no. That's illegal. I'm charging a 'service fee' for the amount of time I spent actually putting 'stuff' onto the discs themselves, as well as my time to go to the mailbox and send this to you."
Dammit. How the hell did I get into this now?
:P
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I'm a drug mule. I don't provide the drugs, I provide a delivery service for whatever gets packaged in condoms and swallowed. ;)
Rick:
--- Quote from: mmb on August 30, 2010, 12:31:23 pm ---I'm a drug mule. I don't provide the drugs, I provide a delivery service for whatever gets packaged in condoms and swallowed. ;)
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Or, you're Paris Hilton. "It's not my purse." Either way, people seem to want to use this as an excuse. It's just like I used to see at computer shows. Many manufacturers would sell you their computers loaded up with software, OS's, you name it, in the hopes you'd buy their hardware instead of the competition's.
Mikezilla:
--- Quote ---Would you Nancy's feel better if he only sold the roms & changed the listing to "complete set of arcade emulator roms".
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Haha oh man Im on your side just for you using the term "Nancy's". Thats awesome! :laugh2:
Seriously though, what if people WANT to buy these things? I have some friends that arent computer savvy enough to get things up and running, if they could have a disc, pop it in, click a few things and start playing games that are over 20 years old, whats the big deal? The guy is only making a couple bucks, seriously, A FEW DOLLARS. You guys are going nuts like he is making a living off of these things. I dunno, it doesnt seem like that big a deal to me. The companies that made money off of these games made their money already. Thats why we are having to "preserve" them. I think MAME is awesome, dont get me wrong, but like I said, the amount of money he is making is mediocre at best. I wouldnt say "this thread is making me sick", I think thats a little over the top. :dunno
Then as a counter arguement, (sometimes do that to myself, with this being an istance) I dont know what it takes to actually make a "MAME" game, software wise. I have no idea what the process is to write the code to make the game identical to the original. If its a huge process and takes forever to do, then yes. This would be completely immoral. If it takes a little bit of time to do, with not that much effort, then meh. Times is money, thats what we are really talking about here. Time.
Ginsu Victim:
--- Quote from: Mikezilla on August 30, 2010, 03:24:28 pm ---The companies that made money off of these games made their money already.
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What do you think of someone running MAME on an iPhone vs buying Pac-man/Ms Pacman/Dig Dug/Galaga/etc on an iPhone? Or MAME on a console vs buying one of the official collections?
Not to mention the re-releases of actual arcade games...
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