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What Arcade Era Do You Identify With The Most?
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:07:52 pm ---I'm struggling to find the the post were I wrote "listen up chumps- I am an expert of arcades and street fighter is the only good game to ever come out!"
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Let's try again ...
--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:47:25 pm --- I gave several examples to back up how he's showed he has a superficial knowledge of arcade games, and he hasn't yet responded to any of that (nor have you) to show any different.
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I think that qualifies at least for the "listen up chumps" portion.
:duckhunt
manman:
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on May 25, 2010, 07:08:55 pm ---
The point there was that *you* are claiming that havok and I are hating on SF ... why the hell would I have SF cabinets in my home if I hated the game ?
I have NO problem saying that I know less about the different flavours of SF than you do. You could kick ---my bottom--- at SF.
Where I think I have the advantage in making my argument is more experience with the arcade phenomenon. I know what happened during the different eras. I know what the arcades were like.
Nothing about being good at Street Fighter Eleventy Purple Teletubby Edition >:D gives you any credibility when it comes to your contention that SF was the second coming of Jesus for the arcade world.
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You're right. Luckily, I never made that claim... You are ascribing some sort of intention to my posts that I don't think I ever implied. This is about sheer numbers, not a value which is totally subjective. I don't claim to have read as much documentation as you have, and never claimed to have any sort of knowledge on the complete history of arcades- but that doesn't mean I haven't read some documentation or that I wasn't there for part of it as well. I was there before street fighter (but long after the golden age) when arcades were all but dead. I wasn't there, but KNOW that there was a golden age when arcade caming was much more 'alive' and going strong /before/ that. So... when fighting games came out, and I saw with my own eyes more arcades spring up all over the place, and a lot more people in arcades and playing arcade games than I had before, AND I read information out there that reflects that, I find it hard not to draw the conclusion that there was a resurgence in arcade gaming or a 'boom' or whatever you want to call it. You taking that numbers based statement along with my own affinity for the fighting game genre has somehow let you to extract that I am saying that it was the second coming of jesus, and better or equal to arcade going in the golden age, or SOMETHING...I have no idea, but I never said any of that. I can't compare it to the golden age, because as I said a million times I wasn't there. I would never claim for the crowd of people that enjoyed the 90's era to be better than those who were around during the golden age, because I didn't know those people...all I really said was that I myself enjoyed that era whether it was different or not.
When I said all of that stuff, apparently it became necessary to counter with claims that these games take no skill or were all the same or whatever- and all I did was try to counter some of that, due to the fact (which I guess you are admitting), that I DO happen to know those games fairly well- that's pretty much it.
If the numbers of more people going to the arcade post SFII than immediately pre, or the opinions on what that did to arcade culture in general differ from mine, I'm more than happy to debate and discuss that as it's own topic. I just don't see how dismissing the amount of skill it takes without having the knowledge to say that is valid or even related to that arguement...
manman:
--- Quote from: CheffoJeffo on May 25, 2010, 07:14:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:07:52 pm ---I'm struggling to find the the post were I wrote "listen up chumps- I am an expert of arcades and street fighter is the only good game to ever come out!"
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Let's try again ...
--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 06:47:25 pm --- I gave several examples to back up how he's showed he has a superficial knowledge of arcade games, and he hasn't yet responded to any of that (nor have you) to show any different.
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I think that qualifies at least for the "listen up chumps" portion.
:duckhunt
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Hahaha, you'd actually have me there, but that was a typo... I meant to say fighting games not arcade games, which I do think is true. If you still think those are the same things, then ok. But the second part of that is still that you some how think i'm comparing these fighting games to other games (or the era to other eras) and trying to say they are somehow better which I've also never done.
CheffoJeffo:
--- Quote from: manman on May 25, 2010, 07:25:20 pm --- But the second part of that is still that you some how think i'm comparing these fighting games to other games (or the era to other eras) and trying to say they are somehow better which I've also never done.
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I'm pretty sure that I would have written that if that is what I think ... I'm not known for keeping my thoughts bottled up ... but I can't recall any statement of mine in this thread to that effect.
::)
EDIT: And upon rereading this thread I can't see that Havok said that either.
manman:
Well then, perhaps I am also misreading you, but when say things like
"So far, you have come across like a kid who discovered video arcades when he found a game he really liked in 1990. That's good, but walking in for the last 20 minutes doesn't qualify you as an expert over those of us who have seen all of the movie."
or saying I think the resurgence of arcade going was the second coming of jesus, etc it sounds to me like you are trying to say I somehow claimed I was an expert on arcades or I attach some supreme value over other eras to that era. For the post part I was never even referring to you when I was talking about bashing a game without knowing about it, that was only havok. Although the one comment you made that I would disagree with or ascribe that kind of sentiment to was you saying something like "but let's not pretend that SF2 was the second coming, or even something good "- that second part, I mean come on. That's why I was making the point that whether or not someone personally likes something I don't see a reason to devalue it overall. Clearly there was quite a large audience that thought the game was good. It clearly lead to a lage increase in people going to arcades for a while. There's still a large competitive scene here, in Europe, in Japan where people still even play games from back then (just as I assume there is still a scene or hard core players of some games from the golden age). I mean- I don't see why some people can't see that and realize that for a game to have that kind of effect on people there must be some good value to it. I never played the games of the golden age, but I can still tell that if people put so much value in it and still like the games after all this time, they must be good! I don't get things like inferring that without games like the fighting games, the arcade could have died "with dignity". To me that's bashing something without having experienced it in the way that people who enjoy it did.
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