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A word about LEDBlinky…
RandyT:
--- Quote from: Hoopz on May 12, 2010, 01:53:17 pm ---As an owner of an Led-Wiz for 3+ years, I can say that the basic functionality of it is nothing compared to what the 3rd party vendors made available. It took awhile for that to happen and I'm glad it did. The hardware is nice, but the software makes it very cool.
The bottom line for me is that the added functionality is more than worth the $20 to Arzoo. Would I pay $20 more for the hardware? Yes, but only if it had the increased functionality that it comes with now. At best, what it would do when I first got it is/was rudimentary then compared to now.
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Just to put things in perspective, I think you just described every piece of hardware ever made. A cable modem is pretty cool too, but how cool would it be without the 10's of millions of man hours of web content that the cable modem maker never had the smallest hand in producing.
There's a lot of confusion in this thread, and I'm honestly not sure what's fueling it.
RandyT
Beretta:
--- Quote from: headkaze on May 12, 2010, 01:28:29 pm ---Beretta: I think you misundertand the point here. Arzoo clearly started LEDBlinky with the intention of making a free software solution for arcade cabinets. But this software is clearly selling hardware, not only for the manufacturers of products like the LEDWiz, but for commercial arcade cabinets with luminated buttons. Arzoo has spent a long time developing LEDBlinky and it is used by alot of people. LEDBlinky sells hardware, that is the bottom line. And Arzoo is not trying to twist Randy's arm to pay him for it which is why he has made it shareware.
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i did not misunderstand.. i do however disagree.
if Arzoo wants to change LED Blinky to shareware more power to him.
however if his intent was to put out a free program then thats the bottom line.. not oh i put out a free program but wait a minute.. people are buying some hardware BECAUSE of it, this makes no difference what so ever.
--- Quote from: headkaze on May 12, 2010, 01:28:29 pm ---What I'm saying is that they should compensate because it makes sense and it's the right thing to do.
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if you want compensation rather in the form of money or hardware then you should have such an agreement.
if you do so in absence of either you have absolutely no room to cry about it later.
do i come to your house cut your lawn then cry if you dont pay me even though we had no such agreement?
--- Quote from: headkaze on May 12, 2010, 01:28:29 pm ---Andy may have compensated me but I doubt he would have the same value hiring a programmer to do the same thing. So we don't really ask for much, free hardware goes a long way, and sometimes paying someone out of good will is definately a nice jesture (and we certainly give value for money in the long run). Andy did not have any obligation to do it, but I asked him and it made sense to him.
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woudl you have done it if he had'nt?, point is those who undertake something without the agreement for compensation have no room to cry later when its' not offered out of the kindness of someone elses heart.
never assume you'll get something out of releasing a free piece of software.
--- Quote from: headkaze on May 12, 2010, 01:28:29 pm ---Also you don't seem to get the time involved in writing software. We do it because we love it, but it is very time consuming and I don't see why someone shouldn't get a little back for it. Even just to buy their poor wives some shoes! LOL
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i do actually, no im not a programmer my self though.
you obviously do not do it because you love it because later you cry if you dont get something out of it.
if you want something then demand it, charge for it, do not just expect you'll get material gain from it.
1. do it for money or other material gain.
2. do it for your self (and keep the program private)
3. do it as a gift to the world.. or perhaps for your self that you share with the world.
those are the only 3 reasons.. anyone who does #3 but then complains when they dont get #1 is just a cry baby in my opinion.
Arzoo has the right idea, they tried #3, not getting #1, so now they went to shareware.
that's their right as author.. if anyone has an objection to that based on the libraries they're using then i suggest they make a legal claim if they have one otherwise hush up about it.
again bottom line if you want any sort of compensation demand it from the start dont automatically expect it later and :hissy: if it dont happen.
Hoopz:
--- Quote from: RandyT on May 12, 2010, 02:02:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: Hoopz on May 12, 2010, 01:53:17 pm ---As an owner of an Led-Wiz for 3+ years, I can say that the basic functionality of it is nothing compared to what the 3rd party vendors made available. It took awhile for that to happen and I'm glad it did. The hardware is nice, but the software makes it very cool.
The bottom line for me is that the added functionality is more than worth the $20 to Arzoo. Would I pay $20 more for the hardware? Yes, but only if it had the increased functionality that it comes with now. At best, what it would do when I first got it is/was rudimentary then compared to now.
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Just to put things in perspective, I think you just described every piece of hardware ever made. A cable modem is pretty cool too, but how cool would it be without the 10's of millions of man hours of web content that the cable modem maker never had the smallest hand in producing.
There's a lot of confusion in this thread, and I'm honestly not sure what's fueling it.
RandyT
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I'm not confused. You said that many of us wouldn't be happy paying $20 more for your hardware (Led-Wiz). I'm saying I would if it was packaged with software that was more functional than what I got 3 years ago. To me, the software increases the value of the hardware by more than $20. Was I unhappy that I bought hardware and the software to run it was very basic? No. I wasn't thrilled with the idea that you turned the software development over to the community to handle for you (generalization). But they produced a product that greatly enhanced your hardware. Do I think it's now worth $20? Yes. Don't for a second think that the software hasn't affected your bottom line. You definitely have benefited because of what they've done.
Bottom line is I'm happy to pay for the increased functionality to the hardware. Your references to other hardware products aren't accurate. Buying a router is buying a router (again, a generalization). However, buying a router and then installing Tomato or other software that greatly increases what it can do is a much different scenario.
HaRuMaN:
Beretta:
randy charging 20 bucks to cover the LED Blinky license is a bad idea because it would be charged on EVERY ledwiz.
further more the buyer might be paying for a program they dont want.. much like buying a PC gets you a copy of windows.. which you pay for in the price btw.. but not everyone wants windows.
ledblinky probably has boosted randy's sell of ledwiz if the original software was as bad as is reported.. but is that his fault? even if he did have very basic software with his ledwiz and created a need for something more.. again is it his fault someone went out and developed software for it on their own?
should he be obligated to payout for ledblinky?
you can't be serious.. rather someone thinks it's the moral thing to do is their opinion.
it has absolutely no legal standing in business.. and make no mistake when you start bringing money into the picture it's business pure and simple dont dilute your self into thinking it's anything else.
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