The Making of "The Boss Box"

[mike boss]

I've started working on my Jukebox project.  Thanks to the great software provided by good ol Uncle T. I've decided like my MAME project to do a blog. In the event that people what do see what I've done, read my thoughts, etc.

Anyway here is the link.
http://www.thebossbox.blogspot.com/

Perhaps in this thread I can post questions I have as the project goes ?

[mike boss]

recent update : screen shots on the blog

I'd say, wait, scratch that, the wife said I've spent about 15 hours on the computer in the last week. Most if not all of that time was spent working on Uncle T's Jukebox.
I've got the skin just about done and so far I'm happy with the look. I want to find a font with a speaker icon for the mute, and something different for the page forward/back. Once I do that I think I have about two or three small changes I want to do. I wrote them down some place, I don't recall at this time.

The program is great,simple to use, and works as one would expect. The layout is good, and everything is rather straight forward. I had one issue where the software said I had an invalid image. I removed the cover pictures from the four albums on that page and the problem was solved. Now I'll put the cover art back one CD at a time until I determine the problem.

The only thing left to do (other then a few minor skin adjustments) is the renaming of some music. Many of the song titles have additional info like producer, artist name,etc. Once you've selected the CD you know which artist is playing, so I'd like to eliminate the artists name from the folders. This should help to ensure that the FULL song title is visible onscreen.

[mike boss]

update :

I have nothing but good things to say about Uncle T's jukebox. In fact I would suggest anyone and everyone use this program.
It's a great way to enjoy your digital music collection. You don't have to go into individual folders, select the songs
you want to play, then send them to media player. All your music is displayed on screen and as you click the album the
track list is clearly visible. No need to make play lists, that you keep repeating. I love it, I really do.

I spent a few more hours this weekend fine tuning my skin. There were a few buttons or small background elements I
wanted to change. I also continued ripping my old CD's to the hard drive and editing my music collection. I had a couple
of albums listed twice so the duplicates were removed. I also did some custom art work for compilations I had that had
no original artwork.

(I will make the skin available for download soon, as well as provide links to the fonts used)

The program is well laid out and very well thought out. Everything works the way I would expect it to work. I think
the fact that Uncle T built his own working jukebox shows you that this program is the real deal. Everything you
would want it to do can be done on screen. In fact everything can be done with the touch of a screen! There is nothing
that I can think is missing. Included in the options menu is a computer shutdown button allowing you to easily shutdown
your PC without exiting the jukebox.

Right now I'm really happy with where this project stands. My music is installed and organized, each and every album
has its own artwork. The computer itself is running the program well, I left about 7gigs of space on the hard drive. I
plan on adding more ram shortly, but as is the program runs well. There is no delay in page flipping, on screen
animations, or most importantly the playing of the music. As I said hats off to Uncle T, he did an outstanding job.

I'm in the process of creating a few more skins, my main skin takes about three to four minutes to load. Once the program
is running there are no issues as mentioned. But now that I have a better grasp for how the program runs I feel I
can create some better skins. There is an option when creating screen to "set defaults." I'm unsure if this would
implement your changes for all like elements. For example if I select I want black text and set default, all text
elements will be automatically changed to black. It would save tons of time ! I have a few other questions for Uncle T,
and I will pick his brain over at the BYOAC site.

Thanks for reading !
My skin will be up shortly, thanks!

[unclet]

I am glad the software is working out for you and that you enjoy it.   

Sorry, but there is no way to tell the skin editor to apply the same picture to all the buttons.  You must assign the image to each button one at a time.   What can I say .... this was my first attempt at "skinning" anything.

Also, the reason why your skin probably takes so long to load (I am guessing) is that your images might be to large in size.  So it takes a very long time to load a large picture onto each button, background, etc....    For example, if your button images you are trying to load are like 3"x3" squares, then perhaps try reducing the image size to be 1"x1" (or smaller) to see if it speeds up loading the skin.   Hope that makes sense.

I guess another example would be if your background image is some super hi-res 300 Meg image file you are loading for the jukebox background then perhaps try reducing the size of the image so it can load quicker.   

Basically, try to reduce the size of your images so they can load quicker.


 

[mike boss]

Thanks for the response Uncle T. After messing around a little I did figure out (well GUESS) that the delay in load time was something to do with the image size. I don't know if you have taken a look at the screen shots. But I had downloaded a desktop image with a stainless steel background. I selected the same image which I'm guessing is scaled down for each button. I should have made a smaller image from the image and used that. None the less this was take 1, and I plan on creatign several skins.

[mike boss]

I'd also like to say sorry Uncle T for my very scattered posts. Perhaps what I can do is post my questions under this topic as I post my updates ?

Could make things a lil more easy ?

I haven't done any updates to the blog the last few days as I really haven't done any work. The software is installed and running well now I'm just waiting on my touchscreen.
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out and perhaps Uncle T or any reading can provide me with an opinion.

I don't mind spending a few bucks on this project as I'm sure it's going to be a keeper.
The PC (brain) itself cost me $80 and is working like a charm. At some point I plan on putting the jukebox into a case of sorts. I've ordered three 3 fan led cooling bases for $30. I plan on taking them off the plexi and installing them someplace in the case (when built) . Not only will they cool the system, but they will provide a cool look also.
I also located some 12" COLD CATHODES for a great price, however I think I need a special power supply to run these on a PC ? If anyone knows please let me know.

I'm waiting on the ELO touchscreen, however I know I won't get that until around September. That should run me about $75 when all said and done.

Now some of the questions/issues I have are ...............
This machine no doubt will find its home in my basement. As is the space isn't that big.
I'm sure in the future I will go larger meaning I will need a louder sound system. To keep costs down I can use some decent PC speakers. Hook up wise I'm sure  that will be easy.
However I do have a pair of speakers I built in my teens just sitting around. I also have a pair of bookshelf speakers I bought on impulse years ago that I don't use.
Would you guys suggest I look for  simple receiver and use the existing speakers I have ? I realize that there is no real wright or wrong, but opinions are welcome.

All of the ideas and dreams that float around in this head of mine the idea of a floor model stereo stands out when it comes to this jukebox project. I don't have the time,tools, and/or skills to pull off something like Uncle T built. Even when I built my MAME project I was far better served to find the "shell" and go from there. The floor model stereo will (depending on what I find) provide me with a nice shell. And should provide enough room to store the monitor, PC, and stereo equipment, as well as the equipment required to cool the unit.

Anyway these are the ideas and thoughts. Please let me know what you guys/gals think. Any input and ideas are welcome.

[unclet]

Yes, keeping one post for questions will be nice   

Let me also recommend you post general Jukebox questions (ie: build questions, speaker questions, etc...) into the "Audio/Jukebox/MP3" forum instead of the "UncleT Jukebox"  forum.  You might get some more people reading it as this Forum is specific to my software.

Anyway, I used an old stereo receiver in my jukebox cabinet.  I connected the computer audio out into the receiver and then connected some real old large speaker boxes to the receiver.   Works good for me.

[mike boss]

I also think I will take it in that direction. I think to make it MORE then what I need now is better.
Then once done I wont need to tinker around inside,etc.

Thanks again for the advice.

[mike boss]

I got a little bit of a second wind lastnight and decided to take another crack at creating some skins. I really wasnt happy with anything I did. For the most part any image with something in it doesnt work (I'n my opinion) . So it doesnt make sense to showcase a car,person,item,record label,etc. I think the best look will come from using textures, something simple and uniform. I really do like my brushed steel idea. However I think some re-design of the buttons would be a good idea.

Anyway I've DL'd a few textures  I will try, and I'm going to try a black and white gradient. That way I can make the buttons disapear into the black top and white bottom. (Or the other way around)

[mike boss]

Wasnt really in the mood to work on the jukebox today, despite the fact that I picked up some stuff for it.
I went to my parents and picked up a pair of 8" three way speakers I had built in my teens.
From what I recall these were not bad, and I'm sure they will do a bang on job in the juke.
I also managed to pick up these blue neon lights that you would use in your car. One was damaged as my brother piled a sh*t load of stuff onto it. But one survived, so no doubt I will try to use it.
It has a sensor, so it can flash to the beat of the music. However I  think I'd like to use it to backlight something. But we will see as the time nears. My brother (an electrician) says it shouldnt be hard to modify it so that it can simply plug into the wall. As is it would plug into your lighter.

It looks like this :

http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/browse/4/Auto/AutoCustomPerformance/NeonLEDAutomotiveLights/PRD~0411554P/Alpena%2BTwin%2B9-in.%2BBlue%2BNeon%2BLights.jsp

I also did a lil skin work, and I'm happy with the look of this. Some fine tuning is needed, but I'd say my creations will be ready and passed onto Uncle T in about a week.

Anyway here are the screens.






EDIT : I do wan't to say, that when I built this skin I had designed the buttons first just kinda farting about. Then went onto my other PC and did the background. I wanted to get an idea where to space things, like if I wanted to call my jukebox something else. Or where could  I add visual elements that would not take away from what Uncle T had done. Anyway this skin isnt fully done, again its like %90. I will indeed make sure that on the skin it is known this is Uncle T's jukebox. Im thinking of keeping "The Boss Boxx" but changing the font, then under it adding "powered by Uncle T's Jukebox v 3.21" (I think that is the version number)

[unclet]

Your skin looks fantastic.       

** DO NOT add any text to that nice skin which includes the word UncleT 
No offense will be taken and it is the reason why I made the "UncleT's Jukebox" text have a transparent setting in the skin.   People like to name their own jukebox.

As a side note ... I realize creating a skin for my jukebox takes time, but you did a great job.   I wish I could have figured out how to allow the background color of the slider bars to be transparent so you do not need to use a solid color throughout but I could not.  You did a nice job integrating that deficiency into your skin's look.

Also, nice work on lining up the song track listings.... 

[mike boss]

I like doing design work, I used to do flyer's and logos for DJ's etc "back in the day."
I guess that is why the cosmetic side of this project is so important to me.
I don't want to take away anything from the product you built, it is amazing. I really really really like it and enjoy using it. I see it as something really everyone should use. I say that because these days I have many friends who use their bigscreen TV as a monitor, and their home theatre system as a means to play MP3's.....let's be honest your program layout works better (in my opinion) then media player.

I appreciate the fact that you don't need your "props" on the skin, but I think I can find a cool font (and make it small) as to give you the respect you deserve. If it doesn't look good I can take it off.

How did you get your good screen shots ? As I am just taking pics with my camera and I think details are lost.

There are a few things with the skin I might change, as is, I have done the skin in such a way that the items/buttons you see while playing received a face lift. The buttons that you access via pull out tabs, etc have been unchanged. (I will fix that)

I thank you for the kind words, creating the skin does take time...but its worth it.
I'm happy with that skin, a lil work in photoshop helped to point me in the best direction.
I tried many backgrounds, but again, images like cars,girls,etc don't work. Simply put you don't see enough of the item. Textures are the way to go, infact I think I will revisit my skin with the steel background. But for now I do like the gradient. It works for me, and I like that by making the buttons white and black they hide. I'm glad I was able to find new icons for the speaker and the pointing hands, to me they add allot.

I will polish this skin up tonight when I get in. Again, will try to make everything available for this week.

[mike boss]

I do have one question, when I created the matching skin for the MEDIA page everything on the right side of the screen vanished. I set the defaults all back, but everything is gone. I went thru the skinning process and did my button modifications etc, but everything is gone. Any ideas ?

[unclet]

If I understand you correctly, then I believe you are indicating that on the Media page the song queue background and song queue background are not transparent so you can not see what is underneath.

The Media Page requires it's own skin to be created and if you want to see the full main background image under the song queue sections (and other sections) then make sure the background for those sections in the skin design are set to transparent.

If I did not understand you properly, then how about posting a picture showing me what you mean.

In order to get a good screenshot of the jukebox skins I usually press the "Print Screen" button on my keyboard to store an image of the screen then go into a photo editing software and Paste/Save the image.

Yes, I agree about a background image.  Downloading an existing image most likely will not allow you to see most of the image when applied as the background image of the skin in my software.  For a true image to be used and seen well, the user would most likely have to create an image especially for my software, taking into encounter the software layout.   Thing is, I wanted most of the jukebox windows (album art, song queue, song tracks, etc..) to be visible al at the same time.  I did not want to have to swap between screens to get to each of these important sections, like other software makes you do.   In doing this, I realized one big background image most likley could not be applied since most of the background real estate would be used up by my software.  Too bad I stink at Photoshop and can not make nice background skin designs to fit my software layout.  As a result, I used textures as well and applied images to the buttons only.
 

[mike boss]

I just got a chance to fire up the juke and now its all good. Seemed it just needed a power up n' down.
And now im off to revise my skin.

[unclet]

Whoa, that was weird.   Anyways, glad you got your skin visible again

[mike boss]

Every time an idea pops into my head I start a new skin. Even if I wasn't fully happy with the skin I just did, I don't modify it, I start a new one. Believe it or not I've done like 10! Anyway in all my skin building, as per the wife has consumed about 30 hours. That's 30 hours spent playing around with Uncle T's program. But this jukebox when done is something I will have for along time, its worth the effort.

Thing is for me I run hot and cold, most times when something pops into my head I need to complete it. That for the most part has been the idea behind my jukebox. I want to make sure the program both looks and feels the way I want it to feel. As I said prior the cosmetic part of that means allot to me. With that said I don't know how I lost track of the fact that all my lighting for the jukebox is blue. Yet every skin I did is yet to feature any blue on it.

I've started making a few backgrounds in photo shop. That way I can email myself 4 or 5 designs and begin working on them. Uncle T's is running on its own PC, so I do the designs on my PC, send them via email, download them, and then begin creating the skin. If I didn't like something I would need to go back and forth. By doing 4 or 5 in advance I'm saving a little time.

So with that said my next series of skins, "The Blues" will be available soon. And once I zip everything the rest of what I've done will also be available.

[mike boss]

Just a few little notes.
I've decided that my next skin (for now) has to be the skin I use on my juke.
I can't keep starting and not fully finishing these skins. However the Boss Boxx skin I posted erlier I really like it (the more I look at it). So I think I will give it a facelift in photoshop and just do a blue overlay to give it the look I wanted.
However as mentioned I have begun modifaction of one of my other creations. I've got the background looking the way I would like. Some of the buttons disaprear into the image which I think is great. The only place I'm really stuck is the fonts. I'm at work right now so I can't post an image, but I want the fonts to have some style to them. Not your basic microsoft fonts. And some of the fonts I like dont fit well or arent visable at a certain size. So they cant be used for things like artists name or album name, etc.
None the less I will get this skin perfect, that I promose.

I'll post some screens tonight.

[unclet]

perhaps trying to create the font text as an image and then apply the image to the button instead of altering the button font itself.

Again, one thing my software does not allow is the resizing of the buttons as part of the skinning process.  There is just not enough real estate in the application to allow this is be done.

[mike boss]

i'll get it ! tonight i took it easy, i just changed all the colors and images for both screens. wanted to make sure i had them %100 uniform. I downloaded some new fonts that I will try out. No secret it does take quite some time to design the skin, but again its worth it. But rather then spend a four hour block on the PC i'll break it up.
I want to work on a few more backgrounds anyway, im so darn picky.

[mike boss]

I've started the process of making my "keeper" skin. I try to get some time on the PC --BINGO! Either that, or I was attempting to say "before" but it was too many letters to type-- the wife gets home...........otherwise she freaks. Slow and steady wins the race and I'm happy with how its coming together.
I think i've got some fonts I like, and even a new background.

Would think it will be done thurs.

[mike boss]

Some new backgrounds (skins) I was working on.
The one with the koi fish I am using now, but I want to add more color. I need the blue to come down about 1/2 way.

The other skin is just a varient, one has texture behind it and the branding of the "Boss Boxx." When I go into the other screen the logo cuts off, thats why I skin has it and the other doesnt.

[mike boss]

Uncle T,

just about ready to send you everything for every skin (even ruff) I've done.
Perhaps some of your users would like to re-vamp my designs.
Anyway look for it shortly, thanks

[unclet]

Lets say I have a skin called "purpleSkin" for the Media page and a "newWave" skin for the "Albums page, then the following folders should exist:

   <myInstallationDirectory>/Unclets Jukebox/skins/mediaMenu/newWave/...
   <myInstallationDirectory>/Unclets Jukebox/skins/albumsMenu/purpleSkin/...

You would need to provide the following to share skins:

1) Provide the font files you used in one ZIP file
2) Provide a ZIP file of the complete "newWave" folder and contents
3) Provide a ZIP file of the complete "purpleSkin" folder and contents

This way users can just unZIP the contents into either the mediaMenu folder or albumsMenu folder.

[mike boss]

I had just given you everything in my skins folder, and all the fonts I had used between all skins. (In the event that users wanna change out the skin)

Ill try to do a more refind "packaging" tonight.

[unclet]

You can just ZIP up the complete "skins" folder (which includes the mediaMenu and albumsMenu folders) if you want and I can take a look at what is there.   I am away again for a few days at least so will check all this stuff out later next week.

[mike boss]

that's what I did for the most part.
I put the fonts into one folder, then i noticed eached of my skins had a folder.
so i zipped the folders.
i didnt seperate and zip, but i follow what you are saying

[mike boss]

I'm still in the process of getting all my music in order.
So for your random singles, random I-Tune buys,etc I've started folders called "Various A" etc. I did this for every letter in the alphabet, and one for "#" like 50 cent for example.
It took me awhile to get this all in order and I didnt want to number the songs so I just called them 00__________. Now Uncle T's doesnt see them. Can I select the option to "add a number" to select folders only ?

[unclet]

Nope, either you append track numbers to all your song files or you let my software append track numbers to all your song files.   You cannot designate which songs you want my software to append track numbers to.

Also, if there are multiple song files with track number "00" (like you indicated in your last post) then I would think my software would simply use the first one it finds (but I am not sure).   Easy thing to do is append a track number to each one.

[mike boss]

You were %100 on the money, if I had 3 songs in a folder all with 00 in the title, it will only show me the 1st one. No biggie, I will need to go in and rename the songs. At first its a ton of work, but as your collection grows you fix it tune and a time !

I can revisit my skins folder tonight, and try and get them sorted out so they can be DL's by your users.

[unclet]

At first its a ton of work, but as your collection grows you fix it tune and a time!

Exactly 

[mike boss]

Some things are worth waiting for, and some things are worth doing.
Your program as I've said several times is amazing, its a great media player. The way its laid out is top shelf.
I have friends who when having a party power up the pc and play all the music off the PC, I told him "you need this program!"

Anway here is my final skin. I might revise little things, but over all im happy with this.

[unclet]

  

[mike boss]

ill look into creating the zips on tues.
the fonts i will just add all the fonts i used to one folder.
that way if ppl use any of my skins they will have the required fonts.

[mike boss]

UPDATED THE BLOG W/ THE PICS OF NEW SKIN

This past Sunday prior to any planned fathers day celebrations I headed out to Woodbridge Ontario to pick up three bar top
arcade machines. They were a good deal, and I couldn't pass them up. They will be a future project of mine, but won't be
started until the Jukebox is completed. In fact, I can't tell this to the wife but I do feel I've bit off more then I can
chew. I have my MAME project that is %90 complete, yet remains undone. Now in my defense the Sony PVM monitor I picked up
for this project is about 110lbs. And I am unable to lift it up into place by myself. I'll need the help of two more people
to get this sucker installed. I have to lift it into place, eyeball where I want it, mark the position, install some
supports and I'm good. It's not a hard task, it just requires some time & help. Two things I cant seem to find as of late.
Not that it has anything to do with Jukebox but I thought I would add my little rant.

Now the bar tops! I guess like anyone into the coin-op scene we all have our "must have" list. For me that list included
Street Fighter II: Championship Edition, NARC, Bad Dudes, one of the classics like PAC MAN or Donkey Kong, a classic
Nintendo cabinet, and a cocktail cabinet. But with this dream comes certain reality's, (A) I'm not going to find
everything on my want list. (B) I'm not willing to pay top dollar for everything on my want list. (C) Lastly SPACE !
That's a big one, in fact its the first thing the wife said to me as I loaded the bar tops into the car. "Where are these
going? You know our basement isn't that big don't you?" Now in my defense, the plan for the bar top is to fix it up give it
a retro feel. I'm thinking a PAC MAN yellow is in order. The other pro to a project like this is once I add a 48-in-1
I'll no longer want a cocktail cabinet!

For the record I'm more than aware of my space "issues." In fact I think my collection is modest. As is I have three
cabinets one of which is my MAME project. I have my FAS Foosball table, a Japanese slot machine, a bar top project and
the Jukebox. I do understand why my collection might seem (to my wife) bigger then it is. When I was looking for a monitor
for my MAME project I came across and add for three Sony PVM monitors. I bought all three ! I wanted one bar top, but I
bought three. Even when it came to the touchscreen for the Jukebox, I bought two. Now all these extras will fit nicely
under my stairs and as I see it I now have replacement parts. In fact I'll go on record as saying that I'm willing to
part with some of my extra parts. One of my Sony PVM monitors has issues, and I think a repair is far beyond what I am
capable of doing. So why have it take up space ?

Now onto the Jukebox, something I've always wanted in my ideal games room. When I was over at the CGCC site I saw a member
was trying to broker a deal for some 17" touchscreen monitors. One of the regular posters had suggested something like that
would be ideal for a touchscreen jukebox. Right away reading that my curiosity was peaked, that idea sounded "soooo cool!"
Hitting up Google for a few hours I had found tons of info. There was a ton of great information available, and a ton of
options. As I read on the best option seemed to be Uncle T's. Making a jukebox himself he seemed to have really thought
of everything. I liked the fact that the program could be skinned, something very important to myself. I liked the fact
that it was free and would bring the overall cost of the project down. I'm %100 satisfied with his program and tell everyone
to try it. It really is that good !

My skin is now complete and I'm happy with the overall look. I'll create a few more background images, but the buttons and
text will remain the same (for now). The new skin is pictured above.
As mentioned in prior posts I've rounded up some old speakers and ordered some LED fans to provide me with cooling and a
cool lighting effect. I'm debating on ordering some cold cathodes to add to the overall effect. However I'm now
faced with a tuff decision. The original idea for the "Boss Boxx" was to convert an old retro stereo. Something I felt
I would be capable of doing myself. It would be easy (I hope) to contain the elements of the speakers,computer,monitor,fans,
etc all within the unit itself. Other then sanding and refinishing the cabinet, the only real carpentry project would be
the modification of the inside top. With most of these stereos once you open the lid you are exposed to the turntable
and tuner. I would obviously remove all this, and install the monitor dead center. I had the idea of cutting a window and
installing some plexi lit from below. Perhaps adding a "Boss Boxx" decal to the plexi. Again just one of many ideas that
float around in this head of mine.

My other idea would be a real "space saver." The idea behind this design is to build a casing for the touchscreen monitor.
The monitor itself would then be put on a swivel base. The monitor could be moved from table, to counter, to bar, etc.
But further develop the concept I wanted to build a pedestal base of this, inside which would be the PC, additional fans,
and perhaps some lighting. Perhaps even adding a plexi top to the pedestal to let the light escape. Simply put this would
be a two piece build, a cased monitor on a swivel base, and a pedestal/tower that would hid the PC itself. Wires would then
need to be run to a receiver and in turn the speakers. I don't mind this idea to be honest, I like the fact that it would
indeed save me some space. I also think the build would be rather easy, as all I'm really building is a rectangle out of
wood to serve as the base. The result of my vintage stereo hunt will determine what build I do go with.

As always I'll update.

[protokatie]

Why am I reminded of the song "Send you all my love in a letter (sealed with a kiss)"? Oh right, this is a thread with a user and the software maker . Anyways, I got looking at these things and have come to a premature conclusion that making a Juke front end looks a few orders of magnitude harder than setting up a Mame front end (IMC Atomic).
Please tell me this isnt the case, as I would love to do a Juke project sometime before 2012 when we all die and go to the Mayan temples (or pergatory, or whatever).

(Sorry for any perceived 'tude in this reply, but I just got done watching an aqua teen hunger force marathon, and I think I am channeling Carl right now.)

Europe '86 BABY! Yeah! Final Countdown! YEAH!

[mike boss]

All be it this could be a "love fest" or whatever........
I'm just a user really happy with this program. And I think its only fair or polite even to say "thank you" to its creator. I also think that other people might get a kick out of what I have to say. Or might enjoy the read ?

I've found that the net has SOOOO much info that it is often daunting. I'm not real technical, and I think I put it out there in such a way that people (if interested) can see that things can be (or are) simple.

The skin process does take time, but do you need to have a custom skin ? NO
I'm just very much into the look of the application and in turn invested the time
to help modify the product in such a way it would be better used (by myself).

[mike boss]

I've been spending the majority of my time these days uploading my entire music collection.
I'd like to get this project as stacked musically  as I can. That has taken away from creating some extra backgrounds, and has gotten in the way of my zipping my prior creations.

I will find the time this weekend to get that done and make them available.

thanks

[mike boss]

The "t0-d0" list has grown, and the free time has lessened. None the less "I promise" I will find the time to zip these files & fonts and send them off. In fact they are on the list for tonight.

[mike boss]

ok so i think i got this thing correct, anyway ive zipped and sent off the skin im using to ucle t. however i dont recall the fonts i used, so i sent all of em !

ill zip and send the rest of my skins later if people like em and use em