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Auction do's and dont's
« on: January 20, 2004, 08:26:13 pm »
I am planning on going to my first arcade auction next month
(Feb 21st in Cherry Hill, NJ). What should I expect? How
are the super auctions? Any auction do's and dont's for
a first time auction goer? Beside arcade games what can
I expect to pay for other things? Jukeboxes, Air hockey
tables, Pins? Is there a web site that I can use to gauge
what are fair auction prices for various arcade games?

Thanks,
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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2004, 09:39:55 pm »
What is that pappy?

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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2004, 09:56:52 pm »
In my experience, they are very understanding. If you accidentally bid, you can unbid.

In the several that I've been to, if you find you don't have the money to pay, they will come back to the item and re-auction it, rather than breaking your leg. Just let them know immediately. They frown on this, but it's better than nothing.

They'll explain the whole thing before the bidding begins.. .there are a lot of people that have never been to an auction before, so they do what they can to catch you up to speed.

I don't really like auctions... I think they're stressful, but I go anyway. You can play a lot of games for free if they allow you to plug the cabinets in.

If you are looking for cheap crap cabs to work on... go towards the end of the day. They get really cheap then.

As far as stuff you can get there... skeeball, arcades, pinballs, wurlitzers, foosball tables, flight simulators, those ticket type games, all sorts of stuff, depending on the auction.

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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2004, 05:09:26 am »
As far as pinball machines go at the auctions. Let me stress this to you. Do not bid on a pin that you have not extensively playtested. Many non-working pinball machines appear to function to the casual observer. They will turn on, and may even sequence lights and such, but they are still non-working. I remember the last auction had a dead Victory. I thought for sure I could snag it cheap and have an entire parts machine for the Victory I had at home. But no go, you see the thing still lit up, and thus went for $700. The fact was that the people who weren't close to the thing couldn't tell that it didn't work.
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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2004, 10:23:44 am »
I go to the auctions all the time.  Here's some tips I have:

Understand the payment terms of the auction. Understand buyer's premium, how they apply sales tax, and how to pay.  Cash or credit cards are your only terms.

Pick a few target machines.  Look them over before the auction.
Bring an extension cord, and keep your hands on it.  Plug in the machine and test drive it. Play the machine before you buy it.  Bring a small flashlight and look inside the machine.  See what it looks like.

Don't buy anything you can't haul.

Look out for the owner, he's bidding on it too to get your bid higher.  Look around at the people and find out whos doing the buy-backs. Most people won't let their ms pac go for $100 when they know it should be $500.  So they bid it up. The bids from owners usually are very quick. They know what they want, and they bid up to that point.

Get an idea how much you want to bid, total! Tax and all. $400 can be 10%+ 9% sales tax here so that's $479.60.  Or for every $1 you bid, you pay $1.19!

Be patient. Think about your bid.  Don't go higher than you want.  They have auctions all the time.  They made more than one of the machines, and there are lots of them. If you don't understand a machine, or you are not sure about it, don't bid on it.

Don't believe what the auctioneer says about the condition of the machine or how much he thinks it should cost.  Buyer Beware! It always looks better while they are selling it than when you get it home.



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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2004, 03:34:06 pm »
Don't believe what the auctioneer says about the condition of the machine or how much he thinks it should cost.  

Especially "It worked last night"  ::)  That seems to be a favorite of Super Auctions.

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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2004, 05:17:29 pm »
If you are just looking for an empty/non working cab, they sell these last (usually).  Get there early to play all the games, target any working games you like (maybe you can get a good deal on a conversion cab with a working monitor) and check out the games that are non-working.  You can get these for 2-5-10 bucks after the crowd has gone home with their Pac Man and Galaga that they overpaid for.
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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2004, 05:47:11 pm »
Arcade Auctions: Useful Information
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By Mario D'Alessio (dalessio@motorola.com)
Version 3.8 - Last Updated April 27, 2001

NOTE: The information presented here was gathered from attending
arcade auctions in the Chicago, IL and Indianapolis, IN areas. These
auctions were run by US Amusements and Super Auctions. This info
may not apply to auctions at other locations or those run by other
auction companies.

* You do not need to register before the auction for permission to
attend the event. Just show up. There is no cost to attend.

* At most arcade auctions, you'll find more than just video games
and pinball machines. You can find all kinds of redemption equipment
(money-making items such as kiddie rides, claw machines, etc.),
coin-operated pool tables, dart machines, air hockey games, jukebox
machines, popcorn makers, soda machines, parts (locks, marquees,
circuit boards, controllers, buttons, etc.), and anything else
sellers want to sell. Items I have seen auctioned include slot racers
and 12' racing tracks, condom machines, boom boxes, golf clubs, and
pay telephones. The items you'll see the most of are video games,
pinball machines, and jukeboxes.

In some states, slot machines can be auctioned. You will need to
check your state's laws to find out if they can be purchased. In
Illinois, slot machines have been auctioned, but these were japanese
machines in which the player must hit a button for each slot wheel
to stop them. As such, the machines are a game of skill rather than
chance and are therefore not illegal. However, in many states it
is illegal to transport ANY type of slot machine. Do your homework
or buy at your own risk.

* You will usually find a mix of older games and newer games. Prices
vary greatly. If you want to get a general idea of prices, browse
the web for results of past auctions. However, the chances that
they will be the same at the next auction are minimal. I've seen
two machines (same game, similar condition) differ by over $100 at
the same auction.  Anything goes.  In general, older games cost less
except for the classics which are highly desirable. Videogames with
25" monitors usually tend to be higher priced. Large sit-down games
such as racing games tend to be very high priced (relative to other
items), but may still be a bargain.  Also, as the auction progresses,
the crowd thins out and the auctioneer gets tired, resulting is
shorter bid cycles and lower prices. But again, anything goes.

* Besides money, the most important (and often neglected) item
to bring to the auction is proper transportation for hauling your
purchased items. Make sure you have a vehicle which can handle the
items you are planning on buying. Always try to account for more
room than you think you really need; not only for a safety margin,
but also for those unexpected deals that pop up.  Be sure to bring a
tape measure and make sure you measure your vehicle's dimensions. You
don't want to purchase a game only to find out later that it won't
fit in your vehicle. Games usually have to be out of the place by
a certain time the same day, and then you'll be stuck. Be sure to
check out every game you are interested in purchasing during the
preview period (see below for more info on preview periods).

If renting a vehicle, be sure to check out cost and conditions for
milage, out-of-state transport, one-way use, etc.  (This section
may be expanded as more info is gathered)

* At many auctions, some operators will offer to transport games in
the general vicinity of the auction for a fee. The auction company
often makes an announcement before the start of the auction to
notify people of anyone offering this service. If you decide to
go this route, be sure to get all details ahead of time (cost,
insurance, what if they break an item, etc.). The auction company
has no part to play in this; they just announce the names of those
offering this service. Use at your own risk.

* Always try to attend with at least one other person so that they
can help you move your purchased items. The items may be big and
difficult for one person to move. Bring a dolly, and make sure it's
strong enough to handle the weight of the machines.

Videogames are very top-heavy and tip easily. If you are moving
one with a dolly, be sure to keep it level unless you have someone
holding it upright.  Let's stress this again: VIDEOGAMES TIP EASILY!

Pinball machines are difficult to move. You most likely will not be
able to use a dolly with them. If you're lucky, you may be able to
borrow a pinball machine mover; otherwise, you'll end up carrying it
to your vehicle, and they are HEAVY! Did I mention bringing a friend?

* Be prepared to spend a lot of time at the auction. If you are
waiting to bid on a certain machine, it could take hours for
the auctioneer to reach it (and you may have to sit through the
auctioning of all that redemption stuff mentioned above).

* Bring something to eat and drink. They may not have food there,
and then you'll have to leave to get something and possibly miss an
item you want.  If food is sold, the quality of the food is usually
not very good. The auction could last most of the day, plus you'll
spend time loading your games. So, you may want to bring two meals
and a cooler for drinks.

* You must register to bid. This is done at the event. Make sure
you do this as early as possible so you don't miss anything you'd
want. The lines can be long. You'll need to either put down a huge
money deposit, or leave them your driver's license. If you travel
with someone, have the person not driving leave the license and
share the bidding number.  This is most important if you have a
rental vehicle and only one person can drive it.

* Ask about the payment options. Checks are not accepted. It's
either cash or credit card, and there's an extra fee for paying
with a credit card.

* There is a preview period before the start of the auction during
which time you can power up the games and try them out. Most previews
start at 8am and end when the auction starts. Most auctions are
scheduled to start at 10am, but they almost always start late. Also,
games are often still brought in during the preview period, so don't
be too discouraged if there are not too many games when you arrive
at 8am.

Be sure to check the auction company's schedule for exact times
and dates. Some web sites are listed below.

* Bring a very long extension cord to try out the games during
the preview period. The places are usually very big, and outlets
are often only located on the outer walls of the building. Bring a
powerstrip or a multi-tap so that you can plug in multiple games or
share an outlet with others (there are usually only a few outlets). I
also recommend putting your name on everything.

* Bring pen and paper to jot notes. There may be a number of
a particular game and you want to know which worked and which
didn't. All items being auctioned are numbered, which helps in
tracking the items. Sometimes the auctioneer will print a list of
all items, so find out if one's available and get a copy. This is
also useful for tracking selling prices.

* Things to do when you preview a game:
 
  * Check out the cosmetic condition of the item
 
  * Check the operational condition: buttons and controls work,
  monitor and picture quality, LED lights on pinball scores, etc.
 
  * Open the coin doors (if not locked) and take a good look inside. A
  flashlight is useful for looking around. Check for existance of
  all necessary parts, manuals, coins, dead mice, water damage, etc.
 
  * Power up the machine. For video games, look for toggle switches
  on top, in back, or on the lower sides of the machines. For pinball
  games, look underneath or on top of the back portion of the game,
  or on the lower right side for some older machines. Rarely are
  power switches inside the coin doors.
 
  * If a game powers up, play the game. To do this, you'll have to
  coin up (credit) the machine. If the coin doors are not locked,
  look inside for a credit switch. Otherwise, you can trigger a
  credit by triggering the coin detecting mechanism. It's difficult
  to explain here in text, so if you don't know how to do this, ask
  around. Someone should be able to help.  You'll also find out if
  the coin mechanisms work at all. If you care about the coin mechs,
  try triggering them by inserting a quarter (which you'll be able
  to take back if the coin doors are open).
 
  * You are usually asked not to open the backs of video games. Even
  if you are not asked, it's best to avoid doing this! It's too easy
  for the back panel to fall and break the neck of the monitor. With
  many people moving around the games, mistakes will happen. Also,
  you may be mistaken for sabotaging the machine and be kicked out
  of the auction (it's happened).  Once you purchase a game, then
  you can do whatever you want with it.
 
  * Many 3+ player videogames have oversized control panels
  which are wider than the body of the game. These can usually be
  removed for easier transport, and for fitting the game through
  your door. Make sure you check for this unless you have plenty
  of room in your vehicle, and the game's destination has a large
  enough entranceway. If you disconnect the panel, be sure to mark
  the connectors for easy reassembly.
 
  * Many games are conversions. A conversion came from the factory
  as one game, and was later converted into another game by an
  operator. If you are interested in originals only, make sure you
  check if the game is a conversion. For example, a Mortal Kombat may
  have been created from a Centipede cabinet (oh, the pain!). Some
  games look like nothing more than a combination of spare parts. Go
  to the KLOV site (see below) for info on video games and pics of
  originals. Also be aware that if a game is a conversion, it may be a
  different size than you first thought. So don't forget to measure it.
 
  * For pinball machines, make sure you check if the back of the
  machine folds down or disconnects (not all do, or are troublesome
  to disconnect).  Otherwise, you may have a tough time fitting the
  machine in your vehicle (if the back doesn't come down, it may not
  even fit into a full-sized van). On most pinballs, the legs can
  be removed for easier transport.  Bring tools to undo any bolts
  (wrench, screwdrivers, etc.)
 
  * Check the condition of the plastics on pinball machine playfields,
  especially the ramps. Broken parts can be very expensive to
  replace. If the game has an LED dot matrix display, be sure to
  check this as these are very expensive as well.
 
  * When transporting a pinball machine, it's probably best to not
  remove the backglass (the glass with the artwork which faces you and
  has the scores) or topglass (the glass covering the playfield). It's
  too easy to drop them. If you do remove either, avoid placing them
  flat on a hard surface; stand them up. If they break, they usually
  shatter into a million pieces.
 
  If the back of the machine folds down onto the body of the pinball
  machine, place cardboard or a blanket within the fold to keep the
  parts from touching, and to cushion them.
 
  I am not too experienced with moving pinball machines, so make sure
  you ask an experienced person about this before doing anything.
  I have seen a person drop a backglass on the floor at an auction,
  and they can be extremely difficult to replace as parts are no
  longer being made.  As with everything, be careful!
 
  * For dart machines, power up the machine and start a game. Hit
  dartboard segments to see if they register. Some may be dead, or
  the whole dartboard may be dead. Some don't play cricket (a very
  popular dart game), so check this if you want it.
 
  Most dart machines can be separated into two pieces (top and bottom).
  Check for this. If you end up disassembling a dart machine, be very
  careful when doing this as the top can easily tip off and crash
  to the floor. Also note all connections so it will be easier to
  reconnect later.
 
  * For jukeboxes, check if it plays records (45s) or CDs. Check if
  the 45s or CDs are included. Often, boxes of records or CDs are
  auctioned separately. Since 45s are no longer made, the jukeboxes
  that play them tend to be cheaper, but the 45s themselves tend to
  be more expensive and tougher to find.
 
* Games are sold "as is". Period!

* If a game does not power up, the auction company may get it working
during the auction. Someone often works ahead of the auctioneer
to power up the games, and they sometimes get non-working games
running again. This could be a good thing (you wanted a working game)
or a bad thing (you were hoping to get the game cheap).

* A game is considered working "all the way" if it powers up, and
video games show a picture (even a horrible picture, as most bad
pictures can be corrected with monitor adjustments or cheap fixes).

* Observe the auction numbers on items. If there is a single number
for a group of items, they will most likely be auctioned for one bid
(but the auctioneer can change the rules, see below).

* When the preview period ends, you are asked not to power up or
open anything. Be courteous to everyone and obey this. Be especially
courteous to winning bidders and don't play with games they won.

* During the auction, the auctioneer and the mass of people will
move from game to game. This gets uncomfortable with a hugh crowd,
and tiring. If you are interested in a particular game, you may
want to move ahead of the crowd and stand near the game so you're
close up when it's auctioned and you can hear what the auctioneer
is saying (the quality of their PA systems is often poor, and the
large rooms have a lot of echo).

* LISTEN CAREFULLY to the auctioneer during the auction. They may
set up some bidding rules on particular items.
 
  * Often when there are more than one of a particular item in similar
  condition, the auctioneer will have people bid on the items, but
  give the winning bidder a CHOICE of the one or more of the items,
  EACH at the cost of the winning bid.
 
  BE CAREFUL as I've seen people think they are getting all of the
  items for the winning price, and they bid too high.
 
  Whatever isn't chosen is auctioned again.
 
  If you stop bidding because the bid price gets too high for you,
  hoping to get the next one at a lower cost, you may lose any
  chance of getting any of the items if the winner grabs all of the
  items. I've seen operators win a bid, and then take every one of
  the items. If you really want one of the items, you may have to
  be the high bidder the first time; and if you don't take them all,
  the next bidder may get the items for a lot less. It's a gamble.
 
  Example: if there are 4 boxes of CDs, and the winning bid is $50,
  the winner may pick one of the boxes for the $50, or choose any 2
  for a total of $100, or all for $200.
 
  * Another thing to listen for is the condition of the game as
  described by the auctioneer (especially useful if you missed
  it during the preview period, or missed the preview period
  entirely). I've seen a lady bid high for a Ms. Pac-Man, but she
  never heard the auctioneer say that it has no monitor or game board,
  and she couldn't see it due to the crowd of people.
 
  * One thing to accept with a grain of salt (i.e. don't believe)
  is when an auctioneer says that a game is rare. The word "rare"
  is so often misused, it's become meaningless. Yes, some items they
  say are rare are truly rare, but most often not. Just use your own
  judgement and guidelines.
 
* The bidding usually goes like this: The auctioneer asks for a
starting price (an "opening bid").  If nobody accepts this bid, he
will lower the opening bid until someone accepts his offer. Once the
offer is accepted, the auctioneer will ask for the next incremental
bid.  As the price rises past the limits of the various bidders
(going, going, gone), the bidders stop bidding. The last person to
make a bid (i.e. the one willing to pay the most for the item in
question) "wins" the bid and gets the item. Bidding then proceeds
to the next item.

The bid increments vary depending on the average cost of the
items. For most games, the increments are usually $25, and may
be $12.50 when things get heated. Listen to the auctioneer at the
start of the auction. You'll look like a fool if you bid $301 when
the price is currently $300.

* Many times the owner of an item will bid on his/her own item in
an attempt to reach a higher price. Sometimes the owner will buy
back their own items (this is called a "buyback"). After a while
you can learn to spot these people, and if you notice that they are
the only ones bidding against you, don't get caught up in "auction
fever" and end up spending more than you really wanted. Buyer beware.

* The auctioneer gets a percentage of the selling price, and this
is not included in the "sold" price. So, if the auctioneer gets 10%
(the usual), and you win the bid at $100, you'll really have to
pay $110 for the item.

It's cheaper to pay cash. There's a fee for paying with credit card,
and it's usually about 5%.  As with the auctioneer's take, this is
NOT included in the "sold" price. Cash is best, so bring lots of it!

Sales tax will be applied to any items purchased. And no, this is not
included in the selling price. If you are attending an auction in a
different state than your home, be sure to ask the auction company
for the local state tax percentage. It's best to bring a calculator.

Always check with the auction company for full details.

* After winning an item, you can pay for it and haul it away at
any time during the auction. The most you will have to wait is for
the auctioneers to get the selling information input into their
computer systems. So, maybe give them at least a half-hour before
you wait in line to pay.

* Purchased items have to be out of the building by a certain
time. Make sure you ask for this time. When bidding, be sure to
keep this in mind so that you give yourself enough time to get your
items out.  There may be only one large exit, and other people's
vehicles may be pulled up to it, meaning that you have to wait your
turn to get out.  Don't be caught short on time. As noted above,
bring a friend to help.

* Bring items to secure any games in your vehicle (rope, tie downs,
etc.)  If your vehicle is uncovered, bring enough tarps to protect
your games from the weather.

When loading videogames and pinball machines on an uncovered vehicle,
be sure to not face the front of the machines forward. The pressure
of the wind when moving at highway speeds may break the glass.

Make sure the items are loaded and secured so that they will not
move at all during transport. Otherwise they will get banged up or
broken when you accelerate and brake the vehicle.

* For your benefit and the benefit of other collectors out there,
it's very helpful to take pictures and keep track of prices and
then post this information on the Internet. Digital cameras are
especially useful for this.  If you meet other collectors at the
auction, divide up the task.

* Anyone can bring items to the auction to sell. If you have items
you wish to auction, contact the auction company for details.

* Don't forget your money (preferably cash) and proper
transportation!  See the end of this document for a list of items
to bring.


Most arcade auctions are run by US Amusements or Super
Auctions. Their web sites are:

http://www.usamusements.com
http://www.superauctions.com

Information on most arcade games can be found at the Killer List
of Video Games (KLOV). It's web site is:

http://www.klov.com

The official FAQ for buying at an auction can be found here:

http://www.spies.com/arcade/info/index.html

Most video games manufactured since the late 80s (I think) are JAMMA
games.  The JAMMA association defined a standard for the pinouts of
a game's game board which connect to the game controllers, monitor,
coin mechs, and power supplies. Because of this, JAMMA boards
are interchangable. You can switch games simply by plugging in a
different board, as long as your control panel has the necessary
controller items (e.g. if you control panel has 1 joystick and
3 buttons per player, you won't be able to play Mortal Kombat
since that requires 5 buttons per player), and the monitor is the
correct orientation (horizontal vs. vertical). The KLOV indicates
JAMMA games.

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Here's a list of items to bring to an arcade auction.
Pick and choose as needed.

* Money (cash is best)
* Proper transportation
* Toll money
* Driving directions to auction location
* Road map
* Long (e.g. 100') extension cord
* Multi-tap or powerstrip
* Portable chair (often there isn't anywhere to sit)
* Tape measure
* Calculator (hmmm, $125 + 10% + 3% + 8% .....)
* Flashlight
* Tools (phillips & spade screwdrivers, socket set, pliers, etc.)
* Pen
* Paper
* Clipboard
* Fine point permanent marker (to mark items during disassembly)
* Tarps
* Moving blankets
* Duct tape
* Long rope
* Knife
* Tie downs/Bungee cords
* Dolly and straps
* Cellulin wrap
* Lunch / pop / water
* List of games indicating which are JAMMA
* Walkie-talkies and extra batteries (to keep in touch with others
  if it's a big place, or if traveling in multiple vehicles)
* Handi-wipes (bathrooms don't always have soap)
* Camera (to take pics for posting on the internet)


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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2004, 10:35:52 pm »
damn, now thats an auction FAQ!

I will be going to the SuperAuctions in NJ the 21st also.  I went to the last one too, and here are some of the things I noticed:

lots of people who are there dont know squat about video games, and will bid and buy even mame dedicated machines without knowing that they arent original.  All they care is that they work and that they look good.  If I had the time and money, I would follow some peoples advice and build games to sell at the auction.

For some reason last time I was at the NJ auction, the large sitdown and riding games were going for dirt cheap.  Two person DDR knock off for $150, two person motorcycle racing $125, Steel Talons two person sitdown Helicopter $50 (which I bought and then had to turn around and sell because I couldnt transport it)

This time Im bringing a trailer and taking no prisoners.

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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2004, 10:57:18 pm »
damn, now thats an auction FAQ!

Thanks!

For some reason last time I was at the NJ auction, the large sitdown and riding games were going for dirt cheap.  Two person DDR knock off for $150, two person motorcycle racing $125, Steel Talons two person sitdown Helicopter $50 (which I bought and then had to turn around and sell because I couldnt transport it)

You discovered one reason why they seem cheap. No one bids because they can't haul or store them. Often, they are just buybacks. However, if someone kept bidding, the owners would keep outbidding until a high price is reached, unless he/she (usually he) doesn't care.  Well, this is what it seems like to me.

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Re:Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2004, 12:14:57 am »
The last Orange County ("the OC") auction I went to, somebody bought a half-million dollar flight sim arcade machine with giant hydraulics & stuff for $200. It was the size of a bedroom, and about 12 feet tall. HUGE. I don't know if it worked or not... never saw one before either.

A bunch of other stuff they paid people money to take away (course it was only $15 bucks or so, but they PAID people to take them away).

I paid about $250 for 2 junky cabinets, with jacked rom boards. The monitors worked, but the games were fried (and stupid anyway,... "Rough Rangers" or "Terra Cresta" anyone?) One of the cabinets was converted from a "satan's hollow" so that was pretty cool

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FYI, I have a Mazda MPV (minivan) and I hauled away the cabinets one by one, and they fit with plenty of room to spare. The MPV is small for a mini-van, so I'd assume most larger mini vans (with all rear seats being removable) would be able to handle one normal sized arcade machine.

Definately get help, and bring a good dolly (or a fridge dolly) I'm a pretty big guy, and I still had a tough time manhandling those things by myself.
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2005, 01:30:37 pm »
What would I need to drive to an auction if I wanted to haul a pool table and a couple of arcade cabs?.. maybe a juke box too?

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2005, 01:35:59 pm »
What would I need to drive to an auction if I wanted to haul a pool table and a couple of arcade cabs?.. maybe a juke box too?
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2005, 01:40:49 pm »
yeah but will they be dock high?

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2005, 01:52:33 pm »
If you live close you can go rent a city van from Uhaul or something.  Get one with the lift on it.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2005, 02:16:18 pm »
It'll be about a 2 1/2 or 3 hour drive for me but I know someone with a truck like that.. maybe I can borrow it.

How many people will I need to move a pool table?
Do they usually have anyone there that will help load?

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2005, 02:49:39 pm »
i have been to one superauction in san jose , this was last year. some things i learned from that were...
1) bring a folding chair.  standing for 8-10 hrs really sucked.
2) bring your own food.
3) watch for people messing with machines. what i mean is , i wanted to buy a cocktail that i tried and played during the preview. when it came time to be auctioned it and a few others around had had the plugs cut off of them so that they could not be plugged in. i knew the one i wanted worked but was still outbid by a guy who ended buying all the damaged cocktails. he "hoped" they would work.

as far as someone helping you load, thats hit or miss. you get to talk to alot of people during the auction. some are nice some are a$$e$. though if you ask a few people you should be able to get at least one good samaritan [sp] to help you out. i think me and my buddy helped load 5-6 games just to help get people out of the way so that we could get out truck up to the door. we just asked a couple of the guys to help us when our truck came up. they were kind enough to oblige.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2005, 02:59:57 pm »
I'm going to my first auction tomorrow, and I'm glad I ready this...I wasn't sure what to expect...
I'm going to an auction in Canada, but I'm sure most of the rules apply...
Thanks for the info...

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2005, 07:30:46 pm »
There are some really good responses here and a lot of information to sift through. I've been to probably a dozen auctions and have bought over 30 cabinets over the past few years. Here's my few pointers, YMMV (and any other caveats you wish to apply).

Items I take to every auction:

Duct Tape
Spiral Notebook / pen
Rope / Straps
Trailer
Dolly
Flashlight
Extension Cord
(if at all possible) A friend.

Things I do at every auction:

Preview Time: You MUST use this time to your advantage! If you are there just to have fun then by all means play the games and have fun, but if you are there to spend money then use that time! Check out every single game. See what works, what doesn't. See what games are being worked on that morning. See which games come right up and which ones need to be fiddled with.

Whatever your findings are, WRITE THEM DOWN. I have excel sheets I've printed out with little spots for the game names, lot numbers, condition, repairs needed, whether or not I will bid on them, and how high I will go. It is very easy to be logical when you're not in the middle of a bidding war. Also, it is very easy to forget which game had a bad monitor and which game had a bad joystick when they're turned off.

Another thing you should do is LISTEN to the people around you. Listen to the people working on games. Listen to the peole running the auction. Listen to the sellers, and listen to other bidders. You can hear a LOT of information between people. You will find out what games people are going to bid on and how high they are willing to go. You may find out games that have problems. You may find out all kinds of things.

The only other advice I have is, if you're planning on buying, go to buy, and if you're planning on looking, go to look. Don't change you mind. In other words, don't drive a motorcycle to an auction and then decide to bid on stuff. If I think there might remotely be something at an auction I'm interested in, I take my trailer and all the other things I mentioned.

One last thing -- document the sales prices and whether or not the games were buy backs, and share that info with the world! That gives the rest of us a good idea at current market prices.
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2005, 07:47:25 pm »
Also, at superauctions Buyer 222 is the superauctions buyer. Spot him as EARLY as you can. He will likely be either a dirty looking guy with a Doo Rag on his head, a muscular italian guy in his mid-20s or a very non-descript white guy in his late 40s with greying hair (this last one has been 222 most often recently).

Superauctions owns a good number of the machines at any given auction, and they also buy stuff when it goes dirt cheap. If 222 is raising you on a REAL machine then forget it, superauctions owns the sucker, and it won't be going for less than top dollar. 222 will also buy things from other sellers, but only at LOW prices.

For example, if you bid $25 on a Time Soldiers, and 222 bids $50 and you bid $75 and win it then you can be pretty darn sure that it wasn't a shill, it was just the superauctions buyer trying to pick up a cheap piece for the company. But if 222 is going $100, $125, $150 etc on that same piece, then forget it, Superauctions owns it, wait for the next one down the line, they might not own the next one.

Don't get the junk buyers confused with the superauctions shills. I know one guy named Dave who is usually good for buying MOST of the $20-$25 machines. The auctioneers are usually familiar with these guys, and if 50 people raise there hands on that price they will CATCH the bid of the guy they know. I know Dave, and he has no problem not bidding on a dead machine if someone he knows wants to bid it. He is just buying the suckers to strip and ebay (he mostly buys the dead gambling machines). After the last auction he even offered to let me have one of the 4 solitaire machines he had bought, because I asked him to hold off on the last one, he did, but then the sucker started working and went for 3 times what the other ones were going for (and I did not win).
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2005, 08:37:12 pm »
OK here's my tip..
Get paigeoliver to go to the auction with you ;)

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2005, 11:43:00 pm »
I have an Aution Tip - If you have extra cash on hand, pick up a few slot machines to resell locally.  Most local people would rather buy a machine from you for $50 over what you paid for it.  This is due to the fact that you just saved them $95 in shipping from an E-Bay slot machine sale.

Another Auction Tip from personal experience -  If you have a Kia Sportage or small SUV around that size... Leave it at home.  It's just to small to move a full sized Arcade cabinet.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2005, 01:38:10 am »
What would I need to drive to an auction if I wanted to haul a pool table and a couple of arcade cabs?.. maybe a juke box too?

If you're thinking about buying a pool table, I hope you realize just how heavy a pool table is.

The slate is incredibly heavy and somewhat fragile.  The bigger the table the heavier the slate (obviously).

Some tables have two or three piece slates, the better ones have one-piece slates.

The multi piece slates are MUCH easier to move but are not as "desirable".  However they are usually cheaper.
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2005, 01:58:45 am »
so how many guys would I need to load and unload a 7 or 8 foot monster like that?

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2005, 02:08:41 am »
Tables range from 7 foot "home" models to 10 foot "snooker" models.

Assuming you remove the slate from the table and load it separately, probably 2 people to move a three piece slate.

For a single piece slate, I'd count on needing 4 people.

I'm not certain that it is even possible to move a table without removing the slate.

However, I am not an expert by any means.  I've just known two people that have owned pool tables.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2005, 06:12:58 pm »
well I guess it's time I gave Arnold and Lou a call...

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2005, 02:23:16 pm »
My advice is:

DO: make friends in the hobby, and find alternative ways to acquire games.

DON'T: go to an auction.  95% of the stuff is crap, and the other 5% goes for about twice what it is worth.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2005, 03:04:35 pm »
i was thinking of going to a california auction in the future...but sure am thinking against it now.
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2005, 01:06:43 am »
Ive seen some pretty cool stuff come out of autions

I'll mainly be looking for parts myself
and maybe a couple of cabs in need of restoration

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2005, 01:04:17 pm »
Bah, the moral of the story here isn't to not go to auctions. It's just to be vigilant and smart about it. There ARE deals.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2005, 02:19:36 am »
I get lots of stuff at the auction, you just have to realize that the average machine at the auction is probably a 5 or less on a 1-10 scale (while the average machine you will pick up from a collector is more like a 7 or 8).

The auction is the best place to pick up cabinets for Mamery or conversion. Last auction I bought a super rare dedicated working game in 9 out of 10 condition for $30. The Drop Zone 4 I now own is probably the only one left in the world (only mention of any actual machines on the web are of the one I now own).

Also, if you are leery about converting real arcade games to Mame then you can always rape a dead video gambling cabinet. They are cheap, they mame up just like arcade cabinets, and they are generic and non-collectable and no one cares about them.
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #32 on: April 21, 2005, 09:18:06 am »
The Drop Zone 4 I now own is probably the only one left in the world (only mention of any actual machines on the web are of the one I now own).
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2005, 05:23:05 am »
The Drop Zone 4 I now own is probably the only one left in the world (only mention of any actual machines on the web are of the one I now own).
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2005, 09:46:30 am »
I dunno guys, I think the moral *IS* to avoid the auctions.  :) Sure, there are cheap games there, and the occasional good deal, but mostly there is junk and overpriced stuff.  Why spend all day at an auction just to pick up some junk?  There are plenty of cheap and free games, junkers, and gutted cabs floating around with the collectors, and they will generally give them away.  Why go to an auction just to pay for it, then spend about 20% more in fees and taxes?

Even with the occasional good deal, the chances of it being something you really WANT are next to nothing.  There's no point in buying games that you don't really want.  I haven't even spotted most of my favorite games at the auctions, the few that I've seen went for astronomical amounts.

It is far better to get acquainted with more collectors.  I get great deals on some nice games, because a lot of the collectors I know have more games than space, or because they are constantly replacing games with nicer versions.  The end result is I get a nice steady flow of games to choose from at better prices than any auction.

It's just a suggestion.  I think it is far better to get games in this manner than deal with the auctions.

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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2005, 09:50:50 am »
..and if everyone else stays away from the auction it'll be easier for me to WIN!!!!
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Re: Auction do's and dont's
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2005, 09:58:18 am »
On the other hand, here in MA, the competition among collectors is so fierce that you have to use EVERY source.  We have folks here with huge basements and garages that just hoard stuff without any intention of using or even fixing it... and then won't sell it for less than the inflated "uneducated looking for a cab for their rec room" price you'd get in the classifieds.