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Title: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:06:53 am
Now, before I begin; a little disclaimer:  This is a difficult hack to do.  I am not responsible if you fry your controller, Xbox 360, or whatever else.  That being said, I will hack your controller for you, for a fee.    :D

Step 1:  Remove the housing.  There are 6 screws visible on the back of the controller, plus one under the serial number sticker.  Discard the buttons, pull off the analog sticks by pulling straight up, and disconnect the vibration motors.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:09:58 am
Step 2:  Remove the white triggers from their black plastic housing.  This requires some effort (be careful!) but is neccessary.  Once you have the triggers removed, you will need to cut away some of the black plastic to get at the solder points underneath.  You will need these for the LB and RB buttons.  I have circled the solder points in yellow, they are the same for the other button as well.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:11:41 am
Step 3:  Get a variable speed Dremel and a wire wheel, if you don't already have one.  They will make your life a whole lot easier.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:16:03 am
Step 4: Preparing A, B, X, Y, Start, Back, and Xbox buttons.  Now, as far as I can tell, there is no common ground on this controller, so you will need two wires per button.  Take the Dremel with wire wheel, set it to a low speed, and apply a gentle pressure to the black semi-circle for each button.  This takes some practice to get the needed pressure and angle of the wire wheel right.  Just be careful, and don't bare down too hard.  Once you can see a good strip of copper where the black used to be, stop.  After you finish the semi-circles, clean the area with alcohol and a Q-tip.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:17:04 am
These tools are handy...  free up your hands for more precise control of the Dremel and a soldering iron later.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:21:58 am
Step 5:  Preparing the directions.  This is the hard part.  As you can see in the picture, the direction switches are designed differently.  You can't just remove the black to get to copper underneath.  However, if you look closer, there are two black dots on either side of each direction.  These will be your solder points.  There is copper undeath each little black dot, you can see I have circled them in yellow.  You have to be careful at this stage so you do not wreck other parts of the controller.  You can remove the black substance using the Dremel and wire wheel, just as before.  Once that's done, you will be left with 8 tiny solder points.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 08:23:22 am
I'll be finishing this tutorial up later today, I have to wait for Radio Shack to open, I need to get a new (sharp) soldering iron tip.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: johnperkins21 on March 08, 2007, 10:52:12 am
Those tiny solder points for the directionals are exactly why I paid HarumaN to do this hack for me. I've already ruined one $30 controller, no need to ruin another one when there are professionals available.

This is a good write up so far, looking forward to seeing the final results.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 01:10:34 pm
Step 6:  Now that all the points are prepared, apply some solder to each point.  You don't need a lot, and you need to make sure that you don't create any shorts.  Next, start wiring...  I find it easier if I "pre-tin" each wire before soldering it.  I apply some solder directly to the wire, and then solder the wire to the solder point on the PCB.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 01:12:41 pm
Step 7: Apply hot glue.  Hot glue is your friend!  It will help the wire stick, and prevent the wire from coming up and potentially pulling traces.  Repeat now for each set of wires...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 01:15:37 pm
Finished!  I like to use terminal strips, it prevents wire fatigue to the hack.  Also, it makes wiring easier, IMHO.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 01:16:48 pm
Last but not least, the pin-out:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: johnperkins21 on March 08, 2007, 01:19:39 pm
Step 6:  Now that all the points are prepared, apply some solder to each point.  You don't need a lot, and you need to make sure that you don't create any shorts.  Next, start wiring...  I find it easier if I "pre-tin" each wire before soldering it.  I apply some solder directly to the wire, and then solder the wire to the solder point on the PCB.

This is exactly what I did wrong. I pre-tinned the iron and wire, but never thought of just putting a dab of solder on the pcb to connect to. I think my tip was a little big for the project as well. Another case of making things tougher by not having the right tools for the job.

This was a great little tutorial, and I'll definitely use some of these tips if I ever try it again for myself.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2007, 04:53:10 pm
Step 6:  Now that all the points are prepared, apply some solder to each point.  You don't need a lot, and you need to make sure that you don't create any shorts.  Next, start wiring...  I find it easier if I "pre-tin" each wire before soldering it.  I apply some solder directly to the wire, and then solder the wire to the solder point on the PCB.

This is exactly what I did wrong. I pre-tinned the iron and wire, but never thought of just putting a dab of solder on the pcb to connect to. I think my tip was a little big for the project as well. Another case of making things tougher by not having the right tools for the job.

This was a great little tutorial, and I'll definitely use some of these tips if I ever try it again for myself.

Yeah, my method takes some time to do... but I've never had anyone return a hacked controller.  :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: orntar on March 08, 2007, 09:36:26 pm
does it really need discreet commons for every button?

can at least some of the buttons be paired down, so there aren't so many connections?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 09, 2007, 06:18:56 am
does it really need discreet commons for every button?

can at least some of the buttons be paired down, so there aren't so many connections?

There may be.  I just did a visual inspection, I didn't do a thorough check with a multi-meter.  I decided to save myself the hassle and just do two wires per button/direction.  I know for a fact that there is not one single common ground (which would have been nice, but oh well).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: ppilot on March 09, 2007, 06:58:59 am
Wow, that was a great writeup!  Except that I have no idea what you accomplished.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 09, 2007, 09:16:50 am
Wow, that was a great writeup!  Except that I have no idea what you accomplished.

Well, you know Xbox 360 has the whole Xbox Live Arcade thing.  You can download classic arcade games and play offline or online with/against other people on Xbox Live.  I've been playing SFII online against people, and the Xbox 360 controller sux.  So why not build your own arcade style controls to play Xbox Live Arcade games with?

That's what this hack is for.   :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: somunny on March 09, 2007, 10:03:55 am
Nice job, HarumaN!   Aren't you in AZ now?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 09, 2007, 11:30:49 am
Nice job, HarumaN!   Aren't you in AZ now?

Thanks!

Nope not in AZ yet, I'll be moving first part of June, my new job starts June 14th.  I can't wait!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: somunny on March 09, 2007, 04:00:37 pm
What kind of stick are you using for SFII on XBLA?  Also, how does the stick work with four way XBLA games like Ms. Pac Man and Dig Dug?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 09, 2007, 04:30:28 pm
What kind of stick are you using for SFII on XBLA?  Also, how does the stick work with four way XBLA games like Ms. Pac Man and Dig Dug?

I haven't done one for myself yet, but when I do, I'll probably use a Happ Competition stick (for SFII).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: johnperkins21 on March 09, 2007, 04:33:52 pm
What kind of stick are you using for SFII on XBLA?  Also, how does the stick work with four way XBLA games like Ms. Pac Man and Dig Dug?

I'll be using a Happ Competition. I'll let you know how it works with 4-ways once I get it put together, but it's almost 100% for SFII and C:SotN. Pac Man and Dig Dug will be played on my cabinet using either an Ultimate 360 or Randy's new 49-way.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 13, 2007, 06:16:46 am
So, would any people be interested in these?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: somunny on March 13, 2007, 11:49:59 am
So, would any people be interested in these?

Yes.  Do you have time for one with the big move coming up?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 13, 2007, 01:28:49 pm
Yeah I have some time. :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: albert_c on March 15, 2007, 05:02:07 pm
Thanks for posting this.   :cheers: No common ground is a pain in the ass though.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 16, 2007, 06:07:38 am
Thanks for posting this.   :cheers: No common ground is a pain in the ass though.

Yeah no kidding...   :o
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: bignose on March 20, 2007, 05:38:57 pm
Thanks for the fantastic tutorial! With the arrival of Virtua Fighter 5 on the xbox I've been getting interested in building a stick, how much would you charge for the board?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 20, 2007, 08:24:36 pm
Thanks for the fantastic tutorial! With the arrival of Virtua Fighter 5 on the xbox I've been getting interested in building a stick, how much would you charge for the board?

$35 for the wired hack plus $5 shipping to the US.  Also, to save time and shipping costs on your end, I could pick up a new wired controller, and for that I would charge actual cost (not sure how much that is at the moment.)  Let me know!

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: somunny on March 24, 2007, 01:46:41 pm
Just got my controller back from HarumaN.  He does a great job! 

Thanks, H!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: MameMaster! on April 05, 2007, 09:52:22 am
Same here....thanks for a GREAT job!...way better than I could have done any day...worth every penny.

Thanks man!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 05, 2007, 09:58:15 am
Hey, thanks for the feedback guys.  :)

In case anyone was interested, total cost (including a wired controller to sacrifice for the hack) is $80 shipped to the US.  Other countries, contact me for shipping.  I take PayPal, funded however you need.

Thanks for looking!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Donkey_Kong on April 24, 2007, 12:21:00 pm
Has anyone got anything done with there hacked 360 controllers yet?

If so  :pics
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 24, 2007, 01:20:52 pm
Has anyone got anything done with there hacked 360 controllers yet?

If so  :pics

Yeah, I'd like to see some shots of them in action.   :applaud:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: MameMaster! on April 26, 2007, 03:58:44 pm
I have the housing built....the stick attached .....I just haven't wired it to the hack......I've been getting home really late since I got it from you.

I'll be sure to post photos within a week or so..... :applaud:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: bignose on April 27, 2007, 01:54:38 am
Here's a pic of my xbox 360 stick. Thanks for the helpfull tutorial HarumaN!

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/BrianBarrett/DSCF0147.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: mwatson on April 27, 2007, 03:28:11 am
Sweet looking controller!

I'm waiting for a dremel to appear in my hands to start mine - though I'm going the more shameful route with it, 360 hard dance pad.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 27, 2007, 05:52:56 am
Here's a pic of my xbox 360 stick. Thanks for the helpfull tutorial HarumaN!

(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e151/BrianBarrett/DSCF0147.jpg)

You used my tutorial, and made that stick?  Sweet!!!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: thennomeking on April 27, 2007, 07:51:09 am
Only 70 and I can take advantage of a real stick in new shumps?  Id blow $80 on the two controllers I would break attempting this...

We will have to talk in the future.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Dexter on April 27, 2007, 08:38:37 am
I just finished this hack using a different tutorial for the other halfs brother. This method looks better, sahould really check this forum more often!

Nice work.....
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 27, 2007, 12:29:09 pm
I just finished this hack using a different tutorial for the other halfs brother. This method looks better, sahould really check this forum more often!

Nice work.....

Thank you...   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: JHFerry on April 29, 2007, 10:12:12 pm
Just a quick question, was there a reason you didnt use the wireless controller?  Im guessing nobody tries to map the RT/LT buttons?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 30, 2007, 07:16:34 am
Just a quick question, was there a reason you didnt use the wireless controller?  Im guessing nobody tries to map the RT/LT buttons?

I plan on hacking a wireless controller this summer after I move to Phoenix.  I haven't done it yet for two reasons: one, they're more expensive, and two, they have some funky security screws holding them together.  The wired controllers only use normal phillips head screws.

RT and LT are analog buttons, no real way to map those.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: JHFerry on April 30, 2007, 03:24:13 pm
Just a quick question, was there a reason you didnt use the wireless controller?  Im guessing nobody tries to map the RT/LT buttons?

I plan on hacking a wireless controller this summer after I move to Phoenix.  I haven't done it yet for two reasons: one, they're more expensive, and two, they have some funky security screws holding them together.  The wired controllers only use normal phillips head screws.

RT and LT are analog buttons, no real way to map those.


I read on the shoryuken forum that you need resistors for the RT/LT buttons.  That is far beyond my skillset though.  I bought a wireless controller to try this before I saw this thread.  Im going to have to see If I want to tackle this.  I would be wiring this to a MAS stick.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: bignose on April 30, 2007, 07:30:05 pm

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I read on the shoryuken forum that you need resistors for the RT/LT buttons.  That is far beyond my skillset though.  I bought a wireless controller to try this before I saw this thread.  Im going to have to see If I want to tackle this.  I would be wiring this to a MAS stick.
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I need to sort out the triggers on my my box too. This should help for wireless:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=581887

This is for wired:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=581799

It looks like you just need to solder the resistor from RT2 to RT3 and LT2 to LT3.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: JHFerry on May 01, 2007, 01:12:44 pm



I read on the shoryuken forum that you need resistors for the RT/LT buttons.  That is far beyond my skillset though.  I bought a wireless controller to try this before I saw this thread.  Im going to have to see If I want to tackle this.  I would be wiring this to a MAS stick.
[/quote]

I need to sort out the triggers on my my box too. This should help for wireless:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=581887

This is for wired:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=581799

It looks like you just need to solder the resistor from RT2 to RT3 and LT2 to LT3.
[/quote]


THat is soldering it from the other side?

HarumaN,  what did you use as a map for all the solder points?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 01, 2007, 01:24:16 pm
Quote
THat is soldering it from the other side?

HarumaN,  what did you use as a map for all the solder points?

I didn't, I made my own map I guess you could say.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: JHFerry on May 01, 2007, 01:50:23 pm
This look accurate to you?

http://arkadesticks.com/hackedpads/Xbox360wired.jpg
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 01, 2007, 02:01:30 pm
This look accurate to you?

http://arkadesticks.com/hackedpads/Xbox360wired.jpg

Yeah, although I soldered RB and LB from the underside.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: MameMaster! on May 10, 2007, 09:57:58 am
I just built my stick with HarumaN's expert hack!....

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66527.0
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 11, 2007, 05:48:34 am
I just built my stick with HarumaN's expert hack!....

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66527.0

Happy to see that thing in use!  I gotta get my Xbox Live subscription back to gold so I can take you on in some S.F.  :D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Demon-Seed on May 13, 2007, 04:17:27 pm
Hey Guys
I am very interested in getting or making a wireless xbox controller but I want it for PC..with 2 players... like a wireless arcade panel for emulators..is this possible? I think it may be out of my leauge and may have to get someone to make it...

also how many buttons can be used per controller?
if I buy pre made is it easy to assemble to stick/buttons?

thx
Jim
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: somunny on May 23, 2007, 07:48:18 pm
Haruman,

Can you also hack the LT and RT buttons?  I noticed that only RB and LB are hacked.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 23, 2007, 08:08:48 pm
Haruman,

Can you also hack the LT and RT buttons?  I noticed that only RB and LB are hacked.

LT and RT are analog, so short answer is no...  once I get out to Phoenix I plan on experimenting with the analog side of the controls to see what I can come up with.  It'd be nice to find a solution.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: jedirobb on May 30, 2007, 12:53:12 pm

Nope not in AZ yet, I'll be moving first part of June, my new job starts June 14th.  I can't wait!

Make sure you hit me up when you get here man (AZ)... I am sure we have much to discuss... :woot

I am the same name on SRK too (I saw you mentioned something about that): jedirobb

Guys, feel free to check out my site amd maybe we can get some of you guys over to play sometime  :cheers:

http://www.thetemplearcade.com

Here are some images of most of the set-ups (I have around 20 stand-up sticks):
http://www.thetemplearcade.com/about/the_temple/gallery.asp

Here are some picks of the actual stick construction: http://www.thetemplearcade.com/about/sticks/gallery.asp

I am looking to mod some Xbox 360 controllers for my sticks... right now I have swap boxes to change between Sega Saturns, Sega Dreamcasts, and PS2s and button top configurations for each game... Four button ones for Tekken, Arched four buttons for SoulCalibur, Five buttons for Guilty Gear, and Six buttons for all the normal games in the world  ;D



robb
jedirobb@thetemplearcade.com
http://www.thetemplearcade.com
877.848.4945
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 03, 2007, 09:25:04 pm
I am on my way now...  posting from a hotel room in Clinton, OK...   :applaud:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: jedirobb on June 11, 2007, 04:23:13 pm
Hey HarumaN... you here (AZ)? I have something going on Friday (Fantastic Four and gaming afterwards) and this Saturday I have some peeps in town from SoCal to come play - give me a call and see if you have to time to check out the place....

877.848.4945



robb
jedirobb@thetemplearcade.com
http://www.thetemplearcade.com
877.848.4945
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 14, 2007, 08:55:46 am
Hey HarumaN... you here (AZ)? I have something going on Friday (Fantastic Four and gaming afterwards) and this Saturday I have some peeps in town from SoCal to come play - give me a call and see if you have to time to check out the place....

877.848.4945



robb
jedirobb@thetemplearcade.com
http://www.thetemplearcade.com
877.848.4945

Hey, thanks for the invite!  One of my good friends from college is in town until sometime Friday, so I don't know what the plan is yet.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: jedirobb on June 14, 2007, 10:45:53 am
You are welcome... I sent you a PM... catch up with me when you can.

robb
jedirobb@thetemplearcade.com
http://www.thetemplearcade.com
877.848.4945
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 17, 2007, 12:14:35 pm
Hey, just an update.  I've found all my tools, so I'm ready to start hacking controllers again.  Send me a PM if interested.  Also, I am going to attempt a wireless hack soon, so stay tuned for details on that. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: jedirobb on June 18, 2007, 10:53:24 am
PM Sent...

 :cheers:



robb
jedirobb@thetemplearcade.com
http://www.thetemplearcade.com
877.848.4945
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Dr00pY on June 25, 2007, 12:10:53 am

Nice to hear you made it to your new home safely.... I will be wanting a controller hack soon....hoping you get your wondering (and super clean....love the plug in type thing you put on the hack) hack working on a wireless controller very soon...


Dr00pY
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 25, 2007, 08:34:01 am

Nice to hear you made it to your new home safely.... I will be wanting a controller hack soon....hoping you get your wondering (and super clean....love the plug in type thing you put on the hack) hack working on a wireless controller very soon...


Dr00pY

I plan on doing a wireless hack this weekend, I don't see any reason why it will be a problem.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Dr00pY on June 25, 2007, 03:34:38 pm
Quick question....since I'm a newbie and this will be my first ever controller...would it be easier / better to get a wire one for testing / trouble shooting? or would it not matter?

I plan on doing two controllers, so I could get a wired one first and the second one do wireless, but having both wireless would be the best for me.

Dr00pY
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: Dr00pY on July 06, 2007, 01:25:02 pm
Any update on your wireless adventures....

Also...looking a bit more closely on your tutorial....i don't see you adding the guide button....is there a reason for that?

Hope to order a controller from you next week (waiting on confirmation on the joystick parts i want to buy).....would love it to be wireless....


Dr00pY
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 06, 2007, 02:59:16 pm
Any update on your wireless adventures....

Also...looking a bit more closely on your tutorial....i don't see you adding the guide button....is there a reason for that?

Hope to order a controller from you next week (waiting on confirmation on the joystick parts i want to buy).....would love it to be wireless....


Dr00pY
I'm going to start the wireless one today or tomorrow...  and I do add the guide button, but there wasn't enough room on the terminal strips for it.  I just use about a foot of stranded wire for the guide button.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 31, 2007, 02:40:27 pm
Another update:  I have successfully hacked the RT and LT buttons.  I'll post a pic later.  So now, all the buttons that are available are: X, B, A, Y, Back, Start, Guide, RB, RT, LB, LT, as well as the 4 D-pad directions.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: SavannahLion on August 31, 2007, 03:19:43 pm
These tools are handy...  free up your hands for more precise control of the Dremel and a soldering iron later.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64050.0;attach=69014;image)

What's that tool called? I see a lot of third hands everywhere, but I've never seen that before.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 31, 2007, 03:25:26 pm
These tools are handy...  free up your hands for more precise control of the Dremel and a soldering iron later.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=64050.0;attach=69014;image)

What's that tool called? I see a lot of third hands everywhere, but I've never seen that before.

I have no idea what it's called.   :dizzy: I got it from a guy who works with satellite electronics.  It's great because the two arms are spring-loaded and adjustable.  Plus you can rotate the thing on 3 axis to get the best positioning.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 03, 2007, 02:21:21 pm
UPDATE:

Wireless hacks are now available.  Hack will come with a battery enclosure, plus RT and LT triggers hacked (previously unavailable).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 03, 2007, 06:15:44 pm
The 10k resistor that allows the LT and RT to be used:

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 03, 2007, 06:19:10 pm
Battery enclosure holds 2 AA batteries:

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on November 15, 2007, 09:40:37 am
Small bump, I'm still available to do these...

Lt and RT are hackable now.  So, you will get A,B,X,Y,Start,Back,Guide,LR,RB,LT,RT as well as Left,Down,Up,Right (D-Pad) hacked.

Pricing:
Wired :   $80 Shipped to the US
Wireless: $95 Shipped to the US

I take PayPal, funded however you need.
Canadian buyers, add $5.  UK and Australia, add $10.  Everyone else, message me for details.
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: robC on January 29, 2008, 02:13:48 pm
This thread should be made sticky! Nice writeup of this hack.

I have a couple questions about this hack in particular and XBox 360 games on arcade controls in general.
First of all, I don't own a 360, but I am in the final stages of building my cab and I am trying to wire it so I can easily connect it to a hacked controller like this if I wanted to drop a 360 in there.  Most importantly for now, I want to decide if I should add a 7th/8th buttons to my CP if all the XBox buttons are hacked.

So here's my questions:

1. I am confused about the hacking of the RB/LB analog buttons. So if these are analog, how would you use these connected to arcade buttons? Would activating this button be equal to pressing the analog button down by 100%? Are there games this would be useful on?

2. What XBox 360 games would be usable on an arcade CP? I can see that all the XBLA games would be good, as I assume they only use the digital buttons and sticks. What other 360 games can be played well without the use of the analog sticks? Any of the more recent / advanced fighters and such?

Thanks for the info!
Rob

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Post by: HaRuMaN on January 29, 2008, 10:22:31 pm
1)  Yes, hacking the analog triggers converts them to digital in the sense that you either have 0% or 100%, nothing in between.

2)  As far as I know, most people have been using them for XBLA.  Some fighters will work with it, I know I've been wanting to build a controller of my own to play DOA 4 with.
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Post by: Wombat on April 14, 2008, 09:51:23 am
Do you also have a wire connected to the sync button? And is it possible to attatch the play&charge kit, like in this picture:
(http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.xbox360fanboy.com/media/2007/04/diy-arcade-stick-guts.jpg)

(that would be ideal; so you can leave the battery inside of the arcadestick, and just recharge it with a usb cable without having to open the stick!)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 14, 2008, 10:03:13 am
Yes, I can do it with a play and charge kit, as pictured.  Also, I do not normally wire up the sync button (it's has a tiny button you can press on the PCB itself), but it could be done very easily.
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Post by: northerngames on April 14, 2008, 11:11:12 am
Hey HarumaN, dunno if you know this already or not but the new version of the wireless 360 controller pcb guts now have common ground on everything but the LT & RT triggers  :cheers:

hopefully they will revise the wired controller to be the same  :applaud:

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Post by: Wombat on April 14, 2008, 11:46:53 am
Yes, I can do it with a play and charge kit, as pictured.  Also, I do not normally wire up the sync button (it's has a tiny button you can press on the PCB itself), but it could be done very easily.
Great! Also do you maybe have the dimensions of the hacked wireless pcb? I'm interested in buying two, but I need to know if they are going to fit in my arcade-stick-housing.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 14, 2008, 12:45:55 pm
Yes, I can do it with a play and charge kit, as pictured.  Also, I do not normally wire up the sync button (it's has a tiny button you can press on the PCB itself), but it could be done very easily.
Great! Also do you maybe have the dimensions of the hacked wireless pcb? I'm interested in buying two, but I need to know if they are going to fit in my arcade-stick-housing.

I can get the dimesions for you when I get home from work today.  I'll let you know!
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 14, 2008, 12:46:58 pm
Hey HarumaN, dunno if you know this already or not but the new version of the wireless 360 controller pcb guts now have common ground on everything but the LT & RT triggers  :cheers:
hopefully they will revise the wired controller to be the same  :applaud:

Yeah I had heard that...  :)  I haven't got any yet, but that makes my life easier... cuts points to solder almost by half!  :applaud:
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Post by: clok on April 22, 2008, 04:23:08 pm
you pointed me to this from another thread. I'm wondering , since the 360 (wireless) controler works with the PC too, is there a way to wire the tumbstick to a larger flightstick? Like this one?http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm) I would like to make a wireless mame panel (much like the white one in this thread) but in top right corner put a flight stick. SO the joystick would just be the stick and the brains would be the Wireless Xbox thumbstick, any chance that could be done?
Hope i was clear (probebly not).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 22, 2008, 04:48:33 pm
you pointed me to this from another thread. I'm wondering , since the 360 (wireless) controler works with the PC too, is there a way to wire the tumbstick to a larger flightstick? Like this one?http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm (http://www.saitek.com/uk/prod/st90.htm) I would like to make a wireless mame panel (much like the white one in this thread) but in top right corner put a flight stick. SO the joystick would just be the stick and the brains would be the Wireless Xbox thumbstick, any chance that could be done?
Hope i was clear (probebly not).

Your question is clear...

Short answer...  no.  Can't be done.  I wish it could...
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Post by: Nivek TT on August 26, 2008, 04:24:21 am
This looks like a crackin' idea! I especially like the idea of arcade controls compatible with a PC and my Xbox 360. Has anyone considered replicating the thumbsticks using something along the lines of Happ's analogue arcade joystick (http://www.happcontrols.com/joysticks/50287600.htm), or maybe even digitising the thumbsticks? Would be handy for some console emulation.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on August 26, 2008, 07:18:36 am
At best, the thumb stick may be able to be digitized. 
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Post by: Nivek TT on August 26, 2008, 08:42:43 am
It seems like the thumbsticks operate using potentiomtres but not sure what resistance. The Happ joysticks operate using two 5kOhm potentiometres. If the Xbox 360 gamepad just happened to be the same (rather hopeful!) then connections could probably be swapped like for like, if not then I reckon the potentiometres of the Happ joystick could be changed.

Haruman, have you checked whether some (cheaper) 3rd party controllers are easier to have apart and modify? Such as: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neo-SE-Advanced-Controller-Black/dp/B000CNZLYA/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1219754502&sr=8-11 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neo-SE-Advanced-Controller-Black/dp/B000CNZLYA/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1219754502&sr=8-11)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on August 26, 2008, 09:14:41 am
The chances that the pots are the same is remote, unfortunately...   :D  I'm sure if someone really wanted to, they could try to replace the pots on the Happ stick with pots that match the pots on the 360 controller.

The Neo-SE controller, while cheaper, is as difficult to hack as the official, because it does not have common grounds.

The MadCatz (gamestop) controller is both cheaper, and easier since it does have a common ground.
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Post by: Nivek TT on August 26, 2008, 11:01:51 am
Cheers, bidding on a second hand Madcatz controller now!  ;D
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Post by: versapak on August 26, 2008, 03:20:53 pm
Are the triggers hackable on the 3rd party controllers like the Madcatz?


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 26, 2008, 03:24:32 pm
Are the triggers hackable on the 3rd party controllers like the Madcatz?

They are on the Neo-SE, not sure about the Madcatz as I haven't actually done one yet.  I would assume yes, normally all you have to do is connect the center pin of the pot to ground (*don't try this unless you know what you're doing, I'm not responsible if you fry your controller / xbox 360 / tv / house / yourself / your cat / your neighbor's cat / etc.)
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Post by: Gatsu on August 30, 2008, 12:26:18 am
Silly question.

Same steps for rigging up the Guide button? I ask because I need to put the guide button on the joystick I'm building, and need to figure a way to either extend the connection from the actual button to the PCB...and can it wire to just a happ button? or do I need to keep the green/silver button for it?

I haven't taken one apart yet, but Im just wondering if thats doable.
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Post by: versapak on August 30, 2008, 07:31:08 am
Silly question.

Same steps for rigging up the Guide button? I ask because I need to put the guide button on the joystick I'm building, and need to figure a way to either extend the connection from the actual button to the PCB...and can it wire to just a happ button? or do I need to keep the green/silver button for it?

I haven't taken one apart yet, but Im just wondering if thats doable.


Yeah, the guide button is just a regular button.

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Post by: Gatsu on August 31, 2008, 01:51:19 am
I went into gamestop today and picked up a cheapo gamestop brand 360 wired controller in hopes of an easier soldering time...less hassle. And I was happy. I cracked the little sucker open, and almost all the contact points are just there out in the open. No dremel work needed.

I'll post a diagram once I get everything laid out and whatnot. Should be in the next day or so. No work monday so this is what Im gonna be workin on. w00t.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on August 31, 2008, 09:56:13 am
I went into gamestop today and picked up a cheapo gamestop brand 360 wired controller in hopes of an easier soldering time...less hassle. And I was happy. I cracked the little sucker open, and almost all the contact points are just there out in the open. No dremel work needed.
I'll post a diagram once I get everything laid out and whatnot. Should be in the next day or so. No work monday so this is what Im gonna be workin on. w00t.

That's the Madcatz pad.  It has a common ground.  ;)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on September 02, 2008, 04:08:04 pm
Are the triggers hackable on the 3rd party controllers like the Madcatz?

I can now verify that these are hackable.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: massive88 on September 02, 2008, 06:17:48 pm
Hey HarumaN, dunno if you know this already or not but the new version of the wireless 360 controller pcb guts now have common ground on everything but the LT & RT triggers  :cheers:
hopefully they will revise the wired controller to be the same  :applaud:

Yeah I had heard that...  :)  I haven't got any yet, but that makes my life easier... cuts points to solder almost by half!  :applaud:

Has anyone verified if this is true?  Or know how to identify the common ground wireless controller in store?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 03, 2008, 07:22:41 am
Hey HarumaN, dunno if you know this already or not but the new version of the wireless 360 controller pcb guts now have common ground on everything but the LT & RT triggers  :cheers:
hopefully they will revise the wired controller to be the same  :applaud:
Yeah I had heard that...  :)  I haven't got any yet, but that makes my life easier... cuts points to solder almost by half!  :applaud:
Has anyone verified if this is true?  Or know how to identify the common ground wireless controller in store?

I have not seen this yet.  I would love to find a wireless controller with a common ground.  That would make things so much simpler. 
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Post by: Nivek TT on September 04, 2008, 09:24:01 am
Managed to destroy an official wired pad thanks to the tiny directional pad solder points. I then picked up a Joytech SE NEO and it was a pleasure to work with. Nice large exposed contacts (no rubbing away rubbery stuff) and a common ground for all face buttons (triggers and bumpers seem to be unique grounds). Its also much cheaper than an official pad, I'd thoroughly recommend to anyone thinking about hacking a gamepad. Only issue is the joysticks don't seem to come off easily.

Pretty much all wired up now and tested I just need to do the bumpers and digitise the triggers. Think I'm gonna look for a kid's school lunchbox and reinforce the lid with some plywood as a means of mounting the controls and housing the insides. Might even get a Power Rangers themed arcade controller then  ;D

Edit: My mistake, its a completely common ground. The wire running to the bumper buttons from the main board use black for the live wire and red for ground  ::)
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Post by: Nivek TT on September 11, 2008, 04:55:45 pm
I present my new toy! I've gone for a antique pine and denim look, something I've not seen done before for anything video game.

Sorry about the camera phone quality...

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4281/dsc00005kn6.th.jpg) (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00005kn6.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5563/dsc00006ck7.th.jpg) (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc00006ck7.jpg)

Its backed and fronted by clear persplex which isn't really visible in the pics. The denim lies between the perspex and the wood. The joystick drives the dpad, the black buttons drive start, back and guide, the red buttons drive A, B, X, Y, LB and RB. The right two of the eight red buttons are not connected. I had intended to digitise the triggers but this proved awkward. If I ever find I need the triggers I'll give it another effort.

The denim was harvested from a Tesco economy pair of jeans (3 quid!). It now feels like I'm hammering away on the arse of someone with a 40" waist when I'm playing  :-D

Plays like an absolute dream. The arcade games such as Street Fighter II, Streets of Rage, BC: Rearmed play so much better with an arcade stick!

Thanks to HarumaN for his guide!  ;D
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Post by: joebells on September 18, 2008, 12:06:51 pm
this is definately going to be an odd question I think, but I was wondering if anyone, HarumaN :D , might have any idea on if its possible to just move the whole analog "pod" to the face somehow since I think they are just soldered on, maybe by just running wire extending each spot?
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Post by: HaRuMaN on September 19, 2008, 09:35:26 am
this is definitely going to be an odd question I think, but I was wondering if anyone, HarumaN :D , might have any idea on if its possible to just move the whole analog "pod" to the face somehow since I think they are just soldered on, maybe by just running wire extending each spot?

Technically, I would say that it is possible.  Assuming you can successfully desolder the pot unit, you could extend them out with wires.  Then you would have to figure out how to mount them to your control panel.  They are mounted to the pcb only by soldered pins.
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Post by: joebells on September 19, 2008, 09:51:38 am
thx for the reply, hmm I guess I'd lose the analog triggers even if I got that part to work since they don't make analog arcade buttons I guess. Maybe I'll just not do it since I'd want this to be able to play 360 with it also.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on September 19, 2008, 09:56:49 am
thx for the reply, hmm I guess I'd lose the analog triggers even if I got that part to work since they don't make analog arcade buttons I guess. Maybe I'll just not do it since I'd want this to be able to play 360 with it also.

You can hack the analog triggers, they just become digital in the process (100% on or 100% off, no in-between).  My suggestion to you would be to buy a cheap ($25 new) Madcatz wired pad and hack that if you really want arcade controls, and keep your other pads for the Xbox games that require analog controls.
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Post by: joebells on September 19, 2008, 10:20:58 am
thx for the fast reply, it would be fun to try, hmm I'm going to have to definitely think about it. Maybe even somehow mount the triggers into the cp or something(can't imagine being able to make that comfortable though)

I'm surprised that an arcade game hasn't ever come out that had analog buttons, or maybe there has been but mame doesn't emulate any of them so no one has come up with any for cp's
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Post by: northerngames on September 20, 2008, 03:33:05 pm
Hey HarumaN, dunno if you know this already or not but the new version of the wireless 360 controller pcb guts now have common ground on everything but the LT & RT triggers  :cheers:
hopefully they will revise the wired controller to be the same  :applaud:

Yeah I had heard that...  :)  I haven't got any yet, but that makes my life easier... cuts points to solder almost by half!  :applaud:

Has anyone verified if this is true?  Or know how to identify the common ground wireless controller in store?

only way I know how to look is open the battery compartment top and right under the battery pack compartment bottom where you can see the bare pcb look for J7 right under the serial# sticker toward the middle right side.

if it is there it is a common ground if it is not there then it is the older non common version.

in a retial box I have no clue how to tell.
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Post by: Nivek TT on September 23, 2008, 04:22:23 am
this is definately going to be an odd question I think, but I was wondering if anyone, HarumaN :D , might have any idea on if its possible to just move the whole analog "pod" to the face somehow since I think they are just soldered on, maybe by just running wire extending each spot?


I considered it but don't think its practically possible. You'd most likely want to put a larger joystick on the mounting and the increased torque would rip it away first playing session.

I had considered re-wiring an arcade analogue joystick (discussed earlier) but don't think a flat arcade control panel would be any good for games which are analogue-essential such as racers / fps.
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Post by: elvis on November 08, 2008, 10:53:08 pm
Last week I bought two Microsoft wired pads.  I've just disassembled them and run the dremel brush over the contact points, and done a test with a multimeter.

According to the multimeter, on the two pads I have, all digital inputs I am using have a common ground.  So the D-Pad, start button, 4 face buttons and 2 digital shoulder buttons are all on common ground.

I'm not sure how to report the model number of the pads.  There's two defining numbers:

On the pad itself, above the serial: X811616-006

On the box it came in: 0607 Part No. X11-22141-03

I'll be soldering them up tomorrow night, and then testing mid week (I don't own a 360, so I need to go to a friend's place to do the testing).  Whether successful or not, I'll post back with the results.

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Post by: HaRuMaN on November 09, 2008, 08:58:00 am
You are correct.  Of the Microsoft official pads, wired and wireless, the early controllers did not have a common ground.  The later versions of both do have a common ground. 

I don't know, though, if you can tell from the packaging whether its an early or late version, though.
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Post by: bee411 on November 10, 2008, 04:45:57 pm
I would love to get two wired xbox 360 controllers hacked. I've already ruined three trying to do it myself. I guess soldering is just not my thing. HarumaN, are you still available to do some modding?

I'd like  A,B,X,Y,Start,Back,Guide,LR,RB,LT,RT, D-Pad(Left,Down,Up,Right) hacked. I already have my 2-player box built and the arcade controls installed...just need to hook'em up to the PCB's.

Is pricing still $80 per controller? I'd prefer to pay using PayPal.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on November 10, 2008, 05:09:38 pm
You've got a PM! :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: massive88 on November 11, 2008, 02:16:47 pm
If you are doing a wired pad, I would highly recommend the madcatz pad over the official pad.  Its a breeze to solder together, Ive done 3 successfully so far and I started with zero soldering experience.

The common ground wireless pad would make me anxious to give it a try on my next stick though.  If anyone figures out how to differentiate the common ground ones in the store, that would be great info.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on November 11, 2008, 02:38:10 pm
The common ground wireless pad would make me anxious to give it a try on my next stick though.  If anyone figures out how to differentiate the common ground ones in the store, that would be great info.

Seconded... :)
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Post by: GyuriCuc on November 29, 2008, 04:21:00 pm
I have two Neo-se wired pads I would like to mod them. But both have the same problem: when I plug them in only the 1 and the 4 led blinks and then nothing happens. I opened one of the pads, but I can't find the reason. Any of you have any idea what could be the problem, and how to repair it?
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Post by: jedirobb on February 02, 2009, 11:15:07 pm
Completely random post about this year's DEVASTATION... since some of you are in Arizona (ahem).

$2,000.00 guaranteed pots... all the more reaon to grab your modded sticks and come and play  ;D

DEVASTATION 2009
Phoenix, Arizona
June 19th-21st
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Post by: sju4sju on February 16, 2009, 01:24:25 pm
I hope it's ok to post this here..  :)
Did anyone figure out how to identify the madcatz pads with common ground from the ones without?
Did the first batch come in black? Or only the newest? I'd be buying from ebay, so hoping to identify it from the colour of the pad :P
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Post by: HaRuMaN on February 16, 2009, 01:26:49 pm
All the MadCatz pads have the common ground.  It's the Microsoft ones that are different based on new / old.
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Post by: sju4sju on February 16, 2009, 01:36:12 pm
Hey haruman! Quick answer, thanks, but:
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram4.jpg
 :)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on February 16, 2009, 01:38:24 pm
Hey haruman! Quick answer, thanks, but:
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram4.jpg
 :)

Whoa!  I stand corrected.  I had not seen that one before.  Hmm.  I usually just wander down to my local Gamestop and buy one new, and they've always been the common ground version.
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Post by: MrMojoZ on February 16, 2009, 01:46:03 pm
I just hacked a new black madcatz pad, it was common ground but it was a PCB that didn't have a mapping on Slagcoin. Also it had a new trigger setup that required a bit more work than just a resistor to get working.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on February 16, 2009, 01:49:39 pm
I just hacked a new black madcatz pad, it was common ground but it was a PCB that didn't have a mapping on Slagcoin. Also it had a new trigger setup that required a bit more work than just a resistor to get working.

Yeah, I've seen those.  And those triggers are a pain...

I like the new Xbox 360 Microsoft wired / wireless.  Common ground, except that RT and LT have their own ground. 
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Post by: Coley on February 27, 2009, 08:48:00 pm
Hey HarumaN. you should have a PM  :applaud:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Stealth1 on February 28, 2009, 05:02:30 am
I just hacked a new black madcatz pad, it was common ground but it was a PCB that didn't have a mapping on Slagcoin. Also it had a new trigger setup that required a bit more work than just a resistor to get working.

Yeah, I've seen those.  And those triggers are a pain...

I also have one of these new madcatz pcbs, as shown here: http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4827/madcatz2008sp4.jpg

If either of you could please elaborate on exactly how to hack the triggers I would be eternally grateful.

Cheers
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Post by: HaRuMaN on February 28, 2009, 07:53:59 am
It's difficult on the new ones...  I usally can get one trigger to work using two 4.7Kohm resistors, but the other one won't work.  I'm still playing with that to find a better solution.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on February 28, 2009, 03:44:36 pm
I'm going to be starting my first custom stick shortly. I'm really waffling on whether to try a wireless or wired controller.

For those of you who've done both, is the wireless significantly more difficult? Or is it just maybe more time consuming?

I appreciate your opinions. And thanks to all of you who've posted tutorials, pics, etc. They've been immensely helpful.
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Post by: Stealth1 on February 28, 2009, 09:20:39 pm
It's difficult on the new ones...  I usally can get one trigger to work using two 4.7Kohm resistors, but the other one won't work.  I'm still playing with that to find a better solution.

what if you leave the triggers in place? Or do they have to be removed?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 01, 2009, 07:17:10 am
It's difficult on the new ones...  I usally can get one trigger to work using two 4.7Kohm resistors, but the other one won't work.  I'm still playing with that to find a better solution.

what if you leave the triggers in place? Or do they have to be removed?

You can leave the triggers in place.

If you want to hack the triggers...  I would still recommend the M$ wired pad over the gamestop pad.
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Post by: Stealth1 on March 01, 2009, 07:34:32 am
Too late. This thread recommended the madcatz since it has common ground and large contacts, and I paid quite a premium for it too  :(

Its completely done except for the triggers. So if I leave them in place, and attach 2x4.7k resistors to the outer 2 contact points, it may work? Which one does that method not work on, the RT or LT?
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on March 01, 2009, 06:52:39 pm
In the diagram for the Wired official 360 "late edition" pad(http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram1.jpg)...

1.) Do LC and RC stand for left and right click (of the analog sticks)?
2.) It looks like there are two common grounds on the front, and maybe four on the back(?). Do I need to run a ground wire from each of these, or are only certain of these commons used for certain buttons?

Thanks for your help.


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Post by: HaRuMaN on March 02, 2009, 06:30:56 am
Too late. This thread recommended the madcatz since it has common ground and large contacts, and I paid quite a premium for it too  :(

Its completely done except for the triggers. So if I leave them in place, and attach 2x4.7k resistors to the outer 2 contact points, it may work? Which one does that method not work on, the RT or LT?

Did you remove the triggers?  What have you done so far, and I can tell you how to proceed.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on March 03, 2009, 06:18:23 pm
In the diagram for the Wired official 360 "late edition" pad(http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram1.jpg)...

1.) Do LC and RC stand for left and right click (of the analog sticks)?
2.) It looks like there are two common grounds on the front, and maybe four on the back(?). Do I need to run a ground wire from each of these, or are only certain of these commons used for certain buttons?

Thanks for your help.
Am I asking questions that have been answered a thousand times elsewhere? I don't want to be that guy.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 03, 2009, 06:25:34 pm
In the diagram for the Wired official 360 "late edition" pad(http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram1.jpg)...

1.) Do LC and RC stand for left and right click (of the analog sticks)?
2.) It looks like there are two common grounds on the front, and maybe four on the back(?). Do I need to run a ground wire from each of these, or are only certain of these commons used for certain buttons?

Thanks for your help.
Am I asking questions that have been answered a thousand times elsewhere? I don't want to be that guy.

Hey....  there are two common grounds.  One is a red circle, one is a pink circle.  There just happens to be multiple places you can pull the pink or red ground from.  you just need one of each.

Also, LC & RC are the clicks of the analog sticks, like you thought.

 ;D
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on March 03, 2009, 09:34:27 pm
You are a scholar and a gentleman. Many thanks!
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Post by: doceb on March 04, 2009, 01:02:07 am
Too late. This thread recommended the madcatz since it has common ground and large contacts, and I paid quite a premium for it too  :(

Its completely done except for the triggers. So if I leave them in place, and attach 2x4.7k resistors to the outer 2 contact points, it may work? Which one does that method not work on, the RT or LT?

Did you remove the triggers?  What have you done so far, and I can tell you how to proceed.

I am in a similar boat.  I removed the trigger plastic housings, but not the electronic components.

Also, this will be my second 360 project.  The first one I did just last week, and I used the advice from this thread.  I'd like to do the triggers on this one, but if it's really more trouble than it's worth, then that's okay, too.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sju4sju on March 04, 2009, 03:47:49 pm
I really need to find two pads with common ground, since the cables I'm using only allow for 14 signals + 1 ground (for piggybacking other pads)..
Searching the auction sites for those weird madcatz arcade gamesticks, as these have common ground, and look very easy to hack.

but ... if I get some official pads with multiple ground, can I link the grounds on a pad together, and solder my ground cable to that?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 04, 2009, 03:49:42 pm
I really need to find two pads with common ground, since the cables I'm using only allow for 14 signals + 1 ground (for piggybacking other pads)..

But.. if I get pads with multiple ground, can I link the grounds on a pad together, and solder my ground cable to that?

Short answer... no.  your pad will no longer function correctly if you do that.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on March 04, 2009, 03:53:23 pm
I may have found a way to hack the newer madcatz triggers, going to try it tonight, will post updates later...
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Post by: doceb on March 04, 2009, 04:43:07 pm
I found this thread over at shoryuken dedicated to the new controllers:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169203 (http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169203)

It seems like you can get it working using two resistors and a transistor per trigger, though that may not be the simplest way.
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Post by: xmenxmen on March 05, 2009, 11:42:18 am
Too late. This thread recommended the madcatz since it has common ground and large contacts, and I paid quite a premium for it too  :(

Its completely done except for the triggers. So if I leave them in place, and attach 2x4.7k resistors to the outer 2 contact points, it may work? Which one does that method not work on, the RT or LT?

Just wanted to give another thumb up  :cheers: to the new madcatz.  Common ground and large contacts made it very easy, even for me that can't really solder.  Picked up 2 whites one at Gamestop. 

The major tip I learned here that help plenty was adding the solder to the contact and NOT the wire.  With the madcatz, I just use the iron to touch the solder until I get a big enough piece, then gently drop it on the contact, repeat for each.  After that was done, prep the wires by stripping the needed length.  Finally, use the iron to touch the solder on the contact, as soon as it melt, shove the wire in and repeat.  BTW, I skipped the trigger as these will be only use for fighting games.  I have wireless controller for other games.

If you are like me, definitely give the madcatz a go, as they are easy....

Thanks everyone...
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Post by: xmenxmen on March 05, 2009, 11:45:58 am
Forgot to mention another technique I use.  I sat the board on 2 2in masking tape, which held it nicely in place for a hands free operation.  I have shaky hands, so for any section that I felt I can't control my hands, I brace my hand on another roll of tape and that seems to work great. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Hendew on March 08, 2009, 01:23:09 am
I have tried this and so far have wrecked two controllers, the first time one of the button contacts lifted up from the pcb. On the other controler same thing but on one of the tiny d pad contacts. When soldering it went well at first but then it seem like I was holding the solder forever waiting for it to melt I have a 20w/40w iron and I was using it on 20w I tried 40w after the pcb was ruined just to see and it still took a while to melt the solder and actually melted the pcb. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
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Post by: northerngames on March 08, 2009, 04:55:42 am
should only hold it on the board for 2 seconds with a 15-watt

follow the trace out away from the damage and scrape it down to the copper and solder onto it or follow the trace to the next component or via and solder to it that way the controller is still usable if you lifted a pad or trace.

it also helps to put a dot of fresh solder onto the pcb first then tin the end of the wire with a tiny bit of solder and if you toach the two together for 2 seconds they will bond good.

if it takes 4 seconds or more to melt solder get a new solder iron there cheaper then the controllers you will go through trying with a bad one :cheers:

the official common ground 360 controllers use 10K 1/4 watt for the analog pots to bypass for a deadzone.

I never done a madcatz before so I dont know what they use for sure :dunno
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Distractoboy on March 08, 2009, 04:26:20 pm
Hey there,

Lots of great advice in this thread, really helpful. I've actually commissioned HarumaN to hack a wireless controller for me, and he's been incredibly patient and informative throughout. I would, however, like to mess around a bit myself and try building my second stick with a wired pad, as I've found a couple of USB passthroughs lying around that I can mount in a case for cable convenience.

From Slagcoin, for reference:
http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg)

I noticed that the official pads, as HarumaN mentioned, have two commons, one for the majority and another for the triggers, circled in red and pink respectively. I'm going to be picking up one of the Madcatz wired pads to get my feet wet, and just wanted to make sure that I'm understanding correctly.

I'm not worried about hacking the triggers, I just want to make a fight stick for a friend of mine.  The Madcatz pad has common ground as I understand it, so that means that I would only need one ground wire soldered to any one of the three red-circled soldering points on the pcb? I just wanted to make sure it wasn't broken up by "button groups". Also, the 5v point by the resistors is only related to setting up the triggers, correct?

Thanks in advance!  :cheers:


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: doceb on March 08, 2009, 09:39:03 pm
That is correct.  The newer madkatz controllers have a single common ground.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on March 08, 2009, 10:27:55 pm
The 5V point is if you want a 5V source, like for an LED or something.

And...  I have figured the triggers out.  :)

It takes two 10Kohm resistors and a NPN transistor for each trigger, but it turns the newer triggers into a normal type switch that runs off the common ground. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: doceb on March 09, 2009, 10:45:39 am
The 5V point is if you want a 5V source, like for an LED or something.

And...  I have figured the triggers out.  :)

It takes two 10Kohm resistors and a NPN transistor for each trigger, but it turns the newer triggers into a normal type switch that runs off the common ground. 

Sounds like a similar setup to what they have over at shoryuken.  I can confirm that it works, as well.  I just got it all set up last night. :D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 09, 2009, 10:51:03 am
The 5V point is if you want a 5V source, like for an LED or something.

And...  I have figured the triggers out.  :)

It takes two 10Kohm resistors and a NPN transistor for each trigger, but it turns the newer triggers into a normal type switch that runs off the common ground. 

Sounds like a similar setup to what they have over at shoryuken.  I can confirm that it works, as well.  I just got it all set up last night. :D

Yeah, I got my info from over there as well.  A great solution, considering it is the only controller with a true common ground throughout.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 12, 2009, 02:26:42 pm
What it looks like:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=90051.0;attach=119700;image)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: njchan on March 13, 2009, 11:25:13 am
this is a great thread - I just picked up SF4 for 360 and am supremely frustrated I can't do half the stuff I can with my SF2 cabinet.

my soldering skills are terrible to say the least, not to mention there aren't any gamestops in Canada.  I'm hoping to PM HarumaN to solder something up for me ... jsut worried about shipping to Canada. ;)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 13, 2009, 11:30:54 am
this is a great thread - I just picked up SF4 for 360 and am supremely frustrated I can't do half the stuff I can with my SF2 cabinet.

my soldering skills are terrible to say the least, not to mention there aren't any gamestops in Canada.  I'm hoping to PM HarumaN to solder something up for me ... jsut worried about shipping to Canada. ;)

hey, I ship to Canuckistan, just $5 extra dollars.   ;)  Send me a PM.
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Post by: njchan on March 14, 2009, 11:11:51 am
was about to order something until the wife pointed out the 3 wireless and 1 wired controller I have ... so I might give this a shot on my own - hahahahha ... will probably be ordering one in a couple of weeks! ;)

here's a stupid question though - what time of wire are you guys using?  any special type of solder?  lead-free?  does it even matter?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: cappadonna on March 14, 2009, 03:11:48 pm
Hey HarumaN,

   Nice job on the wireless pcb's.  I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job here but I have some info that may help.  I have hacked maybe 8 360 wireless controllers and can definately tell you that you do not need the resistors for LT and RT. But like you said, it removes the pressure sensitivity.  It is either on or off, which is the way a fight stick should be.  They have a signal and ground just like all of the other buttons.  Also, the wireless connect switch can be soldered but it is a BEEYATCH.  I have used it on 2 of my fight sticks.  I have it connected to a 1/2" pushbutton, very descreet. You can see them here if you like   http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90460.0  Thank you for your posts.  They really helped me alot :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 15, 2009, 11:45:00 am
Yeah, I've actually stopped using the resistors on LT & RT.  I actually hack the sync button on most of the wireless hacks I do now, you just need a thinner wire, and a magnifying glass, lol.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Franco B on March 15, 2009, 01:37:57 pm
Does anyone know how much current you can draw from a M$ 360 wireless pad? I'm trying to figure out how many LEDs I can run.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: cappadonna on March 15, 2009, 09:08:10 pm
It's 3.3v.  You may need a step up if using many LED's.  However, I do think that you can get some 3mm's that only require 3v.  I know that they make surface mount LED's that use 3v.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Franco B on March 16, 2009, 09:33:49 am
I know there is a 3.3v tap. I want to know how many 3.3v LEDs I can run in paralell without affecting the pad.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on March 16, 2009, 09:47:42 am
No idea.   :D
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Post by: cappadonna on March 16, 2009, 10:56:12 am
Sorry boot that Franco.  Here you go.  http://ledcalc.com/.  Should be what your looking for.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Franco B on March 16, 2009, 11:44:46 am
Thanks for the help, still not quite what I'm after though  ;D

That is a good site though, I also like http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz

What I'm really after is the amount of power that is available from the 360 wireless pad.

For example, there is generally 500mA available from a USB port if there are no other loads on it. In that case I could connect 20 25mA 3.3v LEDs to it.

What I'm not sure of is what amperage is available from the 360 pad. Obviously I don't want to draw 100% of the power as the pad itself will need some to function.

I may drop Kaytrim a PM, I know he has connected a fair few LEDs to a 360 pad although I'm not sure if they were wired or wireless. I'll post anything I find out.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: cappadonna on March 16, 2009, 12:48:22 pm
Okay, try this.  Power up the pad, set a volt-ohm meter if you have one to uMv and probe the voltage point on the pad.  Be sure to move the common probe over to mV if required (meter specific). You should then be able to get a mA reading.  I'm getting ready to hack another wireless pad in a few minutes.  If I beat you to it I'll post what I find.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: northerngames on March 16, 2009, 02:03:52 pm
I thought the 10K was only needed when the trigger pot is removed from the pcb completely to slim it down.

are you guys saying it does not need a resistor eitherway for the triggers?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 16, 2009, 02:06:59 pm
I thought the 10K was only needed when the trigger pot is removed from the pcb completely to slim it down.

10K is for removing the trigger pot.  If you take off the trigger pot I'm pretty sure you HAVE to have the 10K resistor.

I know the MadCatz pads will function normally without the trigger pots, but you will need resistors and a transitor to hack the triggers.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: doceb on March 16, 2009, 03:57:30 pm
I know there is a 3.3v tap. I want to know how many 3.3v LEDs I can run in paralell without affecting the pad.

Quite a few.  I'm not sure how many mA the rumble motors draw, but it's almost certainly a lot more than you are going to reasonably use with LEDs.
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Post by: northerngames on March 16, 2009, 10:30:53 pm
I thought so but wanted to make sure they did not change all of the sudden and now I was wasting resistors and time when there not needed so I wanted to ask.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: cappadonna on March 16, 2009, 10:35:20 pm
Hey Franco, checked it with volt meter but there was no need to.  The big f'n sticker behind the batter pack tells......450mA :banghead:  My meter read 438mA with no draw.  I will try to test out the rumble motors and buttons......I just need another set of hands.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: domino82 on March 17, 2009, 12:47:59 am
Thanks for the awesome tutorial.

If this question is answered elsewhere, I apologize. I'm wanting to use this controller hack and use translucent buttons with LEDs that light up when the button is pressed. Could you explain what additional wiring would be involved, or point me in the right direction?

I'm probably going to go with the Sanwa JLW-TM-8 ball-top joystick. Haven't decided what kind of translucent / LED pushbutton to go with - any recommendations for a translucent, concave button that has a satisfying click?

Also, since LL is so backordered at the moment due to SF IV, can anyone recommend a good retailer with a fast turn-around? I'm on Spring Break and would like to get this project done while I have the free time.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 17, 2009, 12:50:10 am
Will you be using wired or wireless?

Also...  I don't know of any other retailers than LL.  Akhibara Shop maybe?  I probably spelled that wrong.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: domino82 on March 17, 2009, 12:55:01 am
Wow, lightning fast reply. It'll be wired most likely.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 17, 2009, 01:01:38 am
Wired will give you 5 volts off the USB supply.

http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram1.jpg (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram1.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: domino82 on March 17, 2009, 01:04:41 am
Perfect so that handles where to draw the power. How can I make it so that the LED lights up when the button is depressed?

This video is what inspired the decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjw4ypIMQ4

Btw, if this question warrants its own thread or if I should seek answers elsewhere please let me know. Don't want to be too off-topic. :)
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Post by: domino82 on March 17, 2009, 01:17:10 am
Nevermind --- Found it. Thanks:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=149015
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: VoLiTiLe on March 18, 2009, 04:44:02 pm
Hey guys new to this, absolutely awesome thread BTW!!! Did my first hack using your info, very informative, now i only have one question, i have a joypad NEO SE wired i used for the hack, all i need to do now is hack the triggers and im set, could anyone give me some info on how to?

Thanks in advance,
                               VoLiTiLe     :notworthy:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SourTimes on March 18, 2009, 06:36:46 pm
OK, I'm gonna be trying this but I've got a few noob questions.

I'm going to use a circuit board from an official wired xbox360 pad, a seimetsu ls-32-01 stick and sanwa RG buttons (for SF4 of course!).

So,

1. you made me a bit nervous with the disclaimer stuff about not being responsible if i blow up my console, is that actually likely/possible? What would cause it?

2. if i open up the pad and i find it has a common ground, i don't bother with the black wires in your original photos right? instead I just solder a wire to 1 of the common ground points and solder the other end to...  what? how does pressing the buttons complete the circuit and input a command if there's only 1 wire attached to each of them?

3. i'd like to be able to include the triggers but i'm not sure if thats maybe too ambitious, is it just a case of soldering a 10k resistor to the trigger point and then a wire from that to the RG or is it more complicated than that? Am i gonna kill my 360 if i do it wrong?

4. what's all this talk of transistors?  ???

as you can tell, i'm complete beginner so sorry if they're stupid questions but any help in simple language will be much appreciated

thanks
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Post by: foleykoontz on March 19, 2009, 11:33:09 pm
Ok what if we took a different approach to adding a 7th and 8th button to arcade sticks? I am not so good with electronics so the transistor and pot stuff or whatever is out for me for the triggers. I have an idea (though it would be mainly for street fighter) where instead of using the triggers at all, what about wiring all the punch button wires to a 7th button and the kicks to the 8th? Would that actually work or would there be lag problems where they wouldn't actually be pushed at the same exact time. Since I'm using an X-arcade to have a dual stick, the two buttons are already there and don't really do anything at the moment.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 20, 2009, 07:26:39 am
For the Microsoft controllers...  if you leave the triggers intact, you do NOT have to use resistors.

Resistors + transistors is only for the NEW MadCatz 360 pad triggers.  The older Madcatz, if you leave the trigger pots intact, don't need any resistors.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 20, 2009, 07:29:33 am
Sourtimes...  the disclaimer is there because it is a somewhat difficult hack.  The buttons are pretty easy, but the D-Pad is what give people trouble, having tiny solder points.  More than likely, you are not going to do anything to your Xbox 360, but you may wreck a controller or two.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Organic Jerk on March 20, 2009, 11:18:22 am
Wow I Totally didn't notice this thread before...

I might as well ask here:

Haruman, is it possible to wire pushbuttons to both an Ipac and 360 controller at the same time?


My goal here is to be able to stick a 360 in the cab and play newer games on it if the need ever arises...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 20, 2009, 11:49:48 am
Wow I Totally didn't notice this thread before...
I might as well ask here:
Haruman, is it possible to wire pushbuttons to both an Ipac and 360 controller at the same time?
My goal here is to be able to stick a 360 in the cab and play newer games on it if the need ever arises...

You could always use the 360 controller on your PC.

Or... if you really need an Ipac & 360 controller, you could wire them together using something like a DB-25 data switch.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Organic Jerk on March 20, 2009, 01:26:00 pm
You could always use the 360 controller on your PC.

Or... if you really need an Ipac & 360 controller, you could wire them together using something like a DB-25 data switch.

I guess if I really want it, both options are on the table...  I figure if I go the xbox gamepad route then I may lose some PC games, though...

As far as the data switch, I would have to go DB37... but doesnt each xbox button need its own ground?  I can't even begin to wrap my head around how I would make the connectors make sense...

Sorry about the thread hijack... carry on, folks
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 20, 2009, 01:30:24 pm
The newer M$ pads or the Madcatz 360 pads have a common ground.  (The newer M$ pads are common ground, minus the triggers).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: foleykoontz on March 20, 2009, 02:08:10 pm
For the Microsoft controllers...  if you leave the triggers intact, you do NOT have to use resistors.

Resistors + transistors is only for the NEW MadCatz 360 pad triggers.  The older Madcatz, if you leave the trigger pots intact, don't need any resistors.

One side of my controller is the 2008 gamestop madcatz controller so I guess that's the new version you're talking about? The good thing is that I finally found 2 of the madcatz arcade sticks for $10 so from what you said, I can use those triggers without doing anything?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SourTimes on March 21, 2009, 07:55:08 am
Sourtimes...  the disclaimer is there because it is a somewhat difficult hack.  The buttons are pretty easy, but the D-Pad is what give people trouble, having tiny solder points.  More than likely, you are not going to do anything to your Xbox 360, but you may wreck a controller or two.

That's what i figured, thanks.

So i can include the triggers and all i need to do that's different to the other buttons is add a 10k resistor right? nothing else different?

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 21, 2009, 10:34:43 am
Sourtimes...  the disclaimer is there because it is a somewhat difficult hack.  The buttons are pretty easy, but the D-Pad is what give people trouble, having tiny solder points.  More than likely, you are not going to do anything to your Xbox 360, but you may wreck a controller or two.
That's what i figured, thanks.
So i can include the triggers and all i need to do that's different to the other buttons is add a 10k resistor right? nothing else different?

If you leave the triggers in place, you don't even need the 10K resistor.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: VoLiTiLe on March 21, 2009, 10:21:49 pm
If for some reason, you have removed the trigger mechanisum but have left the pots in place and locked em up at neutral, you just need a signal and ground off the back of the pot to make a circuit to work the buttons aye?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: traknfieldSUPAstar on March 24, 2009, 05:53:00 pm
Are the triggers hackable on the 3rd party controllers like the Madcatz?

I can now verify that these are hackable.

just curious, I have what I think is an older madcatz 360 controller but there are a couple of difference. the layout is the same, but the large chip on the back appears to be missing. also, the pontimeters on the analog sticks are orange instead of black. It's definitely not a new one though. I thought it could be some revision made between the older and newer versions?

assuming it shares the same characteristics as the old version, i want to hack the triggers so I can use them as regular analog buttons. do I still need to use 10k resistors?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Henshin1 on March 29, 2009, 11:28:35 pm
Hi guys I have a noob question about soldering a PCB with a common ground.

I have a late Wireless Microsoft xbox 360 pcb with common ground but how am i meant to solder my buttons? Do all the ground wires go to the same connection point? or do I need another component to make this easier? Sorry guys I know it's a noob question but i'd really appreciate an explination or if anyone has a photo of their wiring with common ground.  Thanks heaps!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on March 30, 2009, 03:02:09 pm
...I have a late Wireless Microsoft xbox 360 pcb with common ground but how am i meant to solder my buttons? Do all the ground wires go to the same connection point? or do I need another component to make this easier? Sorry guys I know it's a noob question but i'd really appreciate an explination or if anyone has a photo of their wiring with common ground.  Thanks heaps!
Take a look at this post from earlier in this thread and see if it answers your questions.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64050.msg945769#msg945769 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=64050.msg945769#msg945769)


Now for a question of my own...
I took a look at the Slagcoin images for the wireless 360 control to try and figure out if mine was the early or late version. But it seems like mine doesn't match either. Is there a specific item on those images (like one of the numbers) that I should be comparing? One mine, many of the images are different, or at least in different spots.

Early version:
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram5.jpg (http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram5.jpg)
Late version:
http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram7.jpg
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Henshin1 on March 30, 2009, 07:50:44 pm
Thanks for the reply SG Jaycurl. But unfortunately it didn't answer my question as I know where the ground points are. But I suppose I should re word my question. Does it matter which buttons are connected to which ground? Or can they be connected to any ground point on the PCB?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on March 31, 2009, 12:13:19 am
Thanks for the reply SG Jaycurl. But unfortunately it didn't answer my question as I know where the ground points are. But I suppose I should re word my question. Does it matter which buttons are connected to which ground? Or can they be connected to any ground point on the PCB?
Oh, got'cha. Well, the way I interpreted the diagram was that the buttons written in pink text had to match the pink ground (I think it's just LT & RT) and the ones in red text went with the red ground.

And I think I answered my own question from before. It looks like one of the numbers (004NYCA0272) matched from the early version diagram to my gamerpad, even though some of the other stuff didn't. Dang - I was hoping I had a late version. Now I might have to buy a new one to cannibalize for my stick.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Henshin1 on March 31, 2009, 04:15:35 am
Oh, got'cha. Well, the way I interpreted the diagram was that the buttons written in pink text had to match the pink ground (I think it's just LT & RT) and the ones in red text went with the red ground.

Great. Thank's champ  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: PlaneGuy on March 31, 2009, 12:47:40 pm
Hey guys,

I'm hacking a new MS controller, and I'm having a it of trouble figuring out the sync button. Maybe I'm blind but there looks like only one lead coming out of there? Do I tap into that and take the other end off the common?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 31, 2009, 12:50:47 pm
There are three.  You want to take the center one and connect to ground.  Its a difficult soldering point, its VERY small.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: traknfieldSUPAstar on March 31, 2009, 04:05:33 pm
hey all! well I managed to finish building a joystick using the madcatz pad I hacked last week. I ended up using a 8x10 shadow box frame that I picked up for $8, a new sheet of lexan and some spare arcade parts. I think I spent $40 total on this project

I was thinkin of trying to build another controler after it was pointed out ot me by one of my friends that it's not cool if I have a joystick while they're stuck using a gamepad  :P anyways, I was going to go out and buy another madcatz controller but I have about 2 gh2 x-plorer controllers sitting in the corner of my loft that will probably never be used again. Has anyone ever hacked one of these?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Henshin1 on April 01, 2009, 12:25:16 am
There are three.  You want to take the center one and connect to ground.  Its a difficult soldering point, its VERY small.
Regarding the sync button.. Sorry I didn't quite undertsand, I'd like to wire the sync button too. Do we connect the center one to ground? or do we leave it where it is and connect another to ground?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: foleykoontz on April 01, 2009, 01:24:50 pm
hey all! well I managed to finish building a joystick using the madcatz pad I hacked last week. I ended up using a 8x10 shadow box frame that I picked up for $8, a new sheet of lexan and some spare arcade parts. I think I spent $40 total on this project

I was thinkin of trying to build another controler after it was pointed out ot me by one of my friends that it's not cool if I have a joystick while they're stuck using a gamepad  :P anyways, I was going to go out and buy another madcatz controller but I have about 2 gh2 x-plorer controllers sitting in the corner of my loft that will probably never be used again. Has anyone ever hacked one of these?

Any pictures of this? I never thought of using a simple shadow box before. Also I was thinking about using GH guitars since they're cheap but I think they only register as a guitar and not a regular controller. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: traknfieldSUPAstar on April 01, 2009, 04:05:59 pm
hey all! well I managed to finish building a joystick using the madcatz pad I hacked last week. I ended up using a 8x10 shadow box frame that I picked up for $8, a new sheet of lexan and some spare arcade parts. I think I spent $40 total on this project

I was thinkin of trying to build another controler after it was pointed out ot me by one of my friends that it's not cool if I have a joystick while they're stuck using a gamepad  :P anyways, I was going to go out and buy another madcatz controller but I have about 2 gh2 x-plorer controllers sitting in the corner of my loft that will probably never be used again. Has anyone ever hacked one of these?

Any pictures of this? I never thought of using a simple shadow box before. Also I was thinking about using GH guitars since they're cheap but I think they only register as a guitar and not a regular controller. I could be wrong though.

I have a severe lack of woodworking skills. I figured it was cheap enough where I wouldn't mind taking a chance to see if it turned out "ok". I'll try and take a few shots and upload them some time this week.

as far as the GH controllers, I took one apart and did some testing. the dpad works. the orange button is one of the bumpers (LB I think) and I think the other bumper is the RJ-45 jack that's located on the controller (I think it's for an external star power footstomp pad?). The whammy bar fuctions as one of the trigers. I'm going to go ahead and solder on some wires to test with my joystick. My only other concern is that the accelerometer might also function as a bumper button. I'd hate for it to go off if I accidentally jostled my controller during a match

*edit* if you're wondering, the controller also appears to have a common ground
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: kandiman on April 03, 2009, 12:31:54 pm
Does it matter if you scratch the copper when scraping off the black stuff? I'm using a razor blade to scrape it off, scared of scraping lines into the copper with the blade =\

Below in this tutorial for buttons LB and RB it says, has anyone just soldered onto those points without cutting back the plastic?

The only 2 buttons you do not need to scrape any rubber away from are the Right/Left bumper buttons. They have metal exposed already you can solder directly to, and you can see that from the picture.

http://www.gamersreports.com/article/24/4/ (http://www.gamersreports.com/article/24/4/)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 05, 2009, 06:04:21 pm
Step 6:  Now that all the points are prepared, apply some solder to each point.  You don't need a lot, and you need to make sure that you don't create any shorts.  Next, start wiring...  I find it easier if I "pre-tin" each wire before soldering it.  I apply some solder directly to the wire, and then solder the wire to the solder point on the PCB.
Any tips for this step and the small copper connections for the directional points (Up/Down/Left/Right)?

I'm having a helluva time getting the solder to stick to these small points.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 05, 2009, 06:05:39 pm
Did you use a Dremel with wire brush?  After clearing off the black, wipe the copper down with rubbing alcohol and a Q-tip.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 05, 2009, 06:35:07 pm
I did use a wire brush. I was so paranoid about not scraping off too much - maybe I didn't get enough. Just curious - what would it look like if I did take too much off? Is it just green underneath?

I'll try the alcohol and q-tip.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 05, 2009, 07:27:55 pm
Yeah, you should see a shiny copper pad when you are done.  If you did happen to take too much off, you would wind up with a greenish-white area.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 05, 2009, 07:47:15 pm
Aw, jeez. So I think I may have either overheated or over brushed my connection for d-pad left. I can't totally tell, but I'm not seeing any copper shimmer.  :hissy:  :cry:

Is there any alternative connection point, or am I pretty much S.O.L. if I did, in fact, botch that?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 05, 2009, 08:50:36 pm
Hmm, maybe I found the answer... http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=512248&st=0&p=3406983&#entry3406983
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 08, 2009, 11:27:05 am
I found this on SlagCoin:
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It is also possible to turn variable resistors into on-off switches. No resistance occurs when either two points have no connectivity or full connectivity (like a wire linking them). To make added steady resistors into a switch, connect one side of a switch terminal to one side of the resistor, and the other side of the resistor to the other terminal; when the switch engages, the voltage goes low or high, and it is engaged. This can also be used to turn the analog stick resistors into directional switches. Note each signal will need its own set of steady resistors. Also note this is much more difficult when the analog signal requires higher resistance for engaging.

Am I interpreting correctly that you could, in essence, connect resistors to the analog stick points to make it act like a d-pad? I've been searching other forums, but couldn't find if this has been done or how.

I'm mainly curious if this would be an alternative for someone who damaged the d-pad connections on their PCB. (I'm not to this point yet, but it's still early ;)).
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 08, 2009, 11:38:12 am
Technically, it is possible...  but.  Don't know if anyone has done it yet.  I have not.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 09, 2009, 09:42:26 am
Well, after correcting my botch on the lifted d-pad connection, I think I hosed myself. I made an error soldering the resistor to the trigger points, so I attempted to desolder and remove the resistor to repair it.

Unfortunately, both points lifted off the PCB. I don't think there are any alternate points.

For the middle hole (R1 on RDC's diagrams on x-box scene forum), I see where the trace comes off of that hole. In theory, if I was skilled enough, I might be able to solder to that trace. However, I have no idea where I would solder the other side of the resistor to. It doesn't look as if there's another solder point for the bottom hole (R3 on RDC's diagrams).

Anyone know if there's any hope at this point? I kind've think I'm screwed with this PCB, but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 09, 2009, 09:43:20 am
PCB, meet hammer.

Hammer, meet PCB. 

 :D

Yeah, that one might be done... 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 09, 2009, 10:08:03 am
Well, it was a good learning experience, at least. I feel a lot more confident that I'll be successful with the next one.

I have hacked maybe 8 360 wireless controllers and can definately tell you that you do not need the resistors for LT and RT. But like you said, it removes the pressure sensitivity.  It is either on or off, which is the way a fight stick should be. 

Yeah, I've actually stopped using the resistors on LT & RT. 

Could you guys elaborate on what you mean here? Do you mean that you're just not using the triggers at all, or is there some way to use the triggers without the resistors? If so, does that apply to the Madcatz PCBs as well?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 09, 2009, 01:40:43 pm
you do not need resistors
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 09, 2009, 01:51:24 pm
you do not need resistors

Even though I'm 31, I suddenly feel like I need you to explain this to me like I'm six  ;D

I feel like I've read everywhere that you need the resistors in place (if you removed the triggers) so that the triggers don't appear to be activated. Am I misinterpreting that? For example, from Slagcoin:
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The problem in removing variable resistors is it leaves zero voltage. Because of this the PCB will usually consider them engaged. Triggers will be usually be viewed as held in, and analog sticks will be viewed as a diagonal

EDIT: Jeez, sorry. I've ready this thread, like, 15 times now. Maybe I needed to do 20. I just saw this  reply to a similar question:
Quote
10K is for removing the trigger pot.  If you take off the trigger pot I'm pretty sure you HAVE to have the 10K resistor.

I know the MadCatz pads will function normally without the trigger pots, but you will need resistors and a transitor to hack the triggers.

I removed the trigger pots so I could hook up the triggers to a button on my joystick. So I do need the resistors.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 09, 2009, 02:20:48 pm
Oh, ok.  Yes, if you remove the trigger POTENTIOMETERS you need resistors.  If you leave the pots in place, and set to neutral, you do not need resistors.

 ;D

I'll be 31 in like a month and a half, lol.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 10, 2009, 10:08:46 am
I was reading some info at the xbox-scene forums, and I saw this about the newer wired controls (official Xbox control): http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=635462

Quote
There's a new version of the Wired controller board now, not a Common Ground setup like the New Wireless one is, but it does use a 'Common Line' for all of the buttons (most likely has voltage on it so they go high)  

Can someone explain the difference? Does this affect how you do the wiring for the wired vs. the wireless controller?

I know the solder points are slightly different for wired vs. wireless, but does the "Common Line" still get wired to the ground line coming from the joystick buttons? Or does the common line have to get wired to a ground on the pcb, and then from that ground to the ground on the joystick/buttons?

I hope this makes sense. I feel like I'm getting slightly different info (or maybe just terminology) from different sources, and I'm getting a tad confused.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 10, 2009, 10:14:33 am
Trust HarumaN.  :)

There are 4 versions of official Microsoft branded controllers, 2 wired, and 2 wireless.

The older wired and wireless have no common ground, they are a 'matrix' style, where you basically need two wires for each button and direction.

The newer wired and wireless DO have a common ground EXCEPT for the triggers.  The triggers (RT and LT) have their own common ground.

(and yes, it is a difference in terminology, and perhaps the way the things are designed, but for hacking purposes, all of the above is correct)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 10, 2009, 10:32:48 am
Perfect, thank you for that explanation. I got the whole "4 versions" thing, but then when I saw the wireless referred to as "common ground" and the wired one as "common line" I started getting a little bit  ???

I truly appreciate all the assistance. And I also appreciate the lack of any condescending attitude that I've gotten in some responses on other sites' forums.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 10, 2009, 10:43:07 am
:cheers:

Not a problem.   :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 12, 2009, 10:11:08 am
Hey everybody. I'm new to the forum but I've been watching for some time now. I (like many others I'm sure) have become impatient with waiting for Madcatz to get their act together and ship the rest of these Fightsticks. I guess they severely underestimated the demand for these, which is odd since SFIV is a pretty obvious safe bet for a Fightstick user base. So I've decided to go ahead and build my own.

So I just picked up the Joytech Neo SE controller and was wondering if anyone had hacked one of these already. I'm looking at the trigger assembly and am planning on leaving them on the PCB as suggested by HarumaN. But I don't know (specifically on this PCB) which posts to attach the wires to for the triggers. I know one should go to ground and one to one of the others but which is ground and which post does the other wire need to be attached to? Any help with this PCB is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 12, 2009, 01:37:00 pm
Sorry, Gizmo. I don't have an answer for you, though I think I've seen talk of that PCB on the Shoryuken.com "padhacking thread."

--------

Also, thanks to Haruman and everyone else who had help/advice. It appears that I've got my fightstick working with the Official Wired controller PCB. I haven't gotten to try it out on the ol' XBox yet, but I plugged it into a PC and tested it, and it appears to be working. (Knock on wood.)

Thanks again for your help and patience!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 13, 2009, 11:41:05 am
Got to play with my new fightstick last night, and it was a thing o' beauty. Thanks again for the advice. Speaking of which...


I've already got another fightstick in the works, and was thinking about moving to the Madcatz PCB. I'd like to be able to connect to the triggers as I did with my stick. I found the triggers (mainly the disassembly/disconnecting the POT) to be the most problematic part of my hacking job. Because the setup for the Madcatz stick is even more complex with the two resistors and a switch, I'm a little leery.

Looking for the humble opinion of anyone who has connected to the triggers on a newer Madcatz PCB: If I made it through hacking the official wired PCB, do you think the Madcatz trigger thing will be any harder than anything I've already done?

Other than the picture from Haruman earlier in this thread, are there any other diagrams that show exactly how the resistors and switch are connected to the trigger point?

Thanks as always for the help.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 13, 2009, 11:49:49 am
I'll see if I have that schematic when I get home.  It's two resistors and a transistor per trigger, btw.

Also, I've been thinking about building pre-built trigger setups for the new MadCatz PCB for those who still want to hack the rest on their own.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: PlaneGuy on April 15, 2009, 06:05:26 am
I'm gonna give a big shout out to HarumaN and everyone else in this thread for all the help & info. I got my first of 2 sticks up and running tonight and it's awesome. Still haven't figured out the sync button, but I need to open the back to change the batteries anyway.

I do need some troubleshooting help, though. I suspect I've zeroed out the triggers wrong. I can tell since in SF4 if I set the triggers to "No action" the stick works fine, but if I assign any action (i.e. it starts checking the triggers) some of my other buttons don't work. It's an easy fix in SF4, but in other games (like SamSho or KOF) the buttons just shift around actions and you can't actually turn the triggers off.

What resistors should I have in the trigger on a new version MS wireless? Is this even the reason?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 15, 2009, 09:12:54 am
PlaneGuy:
I've read that the triggers can cause problems if they're not properly "resistored."

You need a 10K ohm resistor (1/4 watt is the wattage I've heard recommended).

I'd take a look at the xbox-scene forums post about this topic (I think this is the URL, though this site is blocked at first so I'm not 100% sure: forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=618909) ).

There are a lot of posts about the triggers in there. It seems to be a common problem. I think that the common-ground version of the wireless one needs a slightly different resistor hookup than the rest. At least that's what I've gathered by reading that forum. Still uses the 10K resistor, but I think it either has to go between two different soldering points, than the other versions of the official controller, or something to that effect.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Drachenherz on April 15, 2009, 01:01:39 pm
Okay, I'm finally finished... My stick is done, and I'm a very happy person. Thanks to haruman, for the excellent controller hack. I think, my stick an I gonna many happy gaming hours together... :-)

The pics:

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1167047823_finish_02.jpg)

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1450595433_finish_04.jpg)

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1483292018_finish_06.jpg)

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1037207743_finish_10.jpg)

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1975852063_compare_02.jpg)

(http://www.drachenherz.ch/components/com_ponygallery/img_pictures/originals/20090415_1200644718_verkabelung_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 15, 2009, 05:01:20 pm
Ok...here's what I've got:

(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu244/Gizzmo0815/JoytechNeoSE4716VerB.jpg?t=1239828745)

1) With my cheap-ass analog multimeter set on 1K Ohms (resistance test) if I put the positive lead on any one of the red pads and the negative on any other red pad I get 0 Ohms resistance, I'm assuming that means this is a common ground controller. Please please correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm new to this.

2) If I put the positive lead on any red pad and the negative on any blue pad I get 5 Ohms, I'm assuming that means the blue pads are the signal pads. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.

3) If I put the positive on any red pad and put the negative on the middle post (marked in yellow) for either of the trigger POTS I get a reading of approximately .5 Ohms, and on the bottom post on the triggers (marked in orange) I get approximately 1.5 Ohms. Can I safely say that the yellow post is the "Low" and the Orange is the "High"? And if I leave the POTS on the board glued into the same position they would be in with the trigger UN-pressed and then hooked up the button to the orange post (High?) would that effectively make my pushbutton act as a digital button in place of the triggers?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 15, 2009, 05:08:49 pm
1) yes
2) yes
3) most likely yes, may have to try "low" as well.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 15, 2009, 05:19:29 pm
Awesome...I'm excited...I got my box built. It doesn't look as great as some of the others here but nonetheless..I'm excited.

Thanks for the help HarumaN you rock.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 15, 2009, 05:21:36 pm
Hehe thanks, let me know if you have any more questions.  I haven't messed with that pad before, but you did the research correctly.

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 15, 2009, 06:40:56 pm
Quote from: Gizzmo0815;6503575
Ok...here's what I've got:

http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu244/Gizzmo0815/JoytechNeoSE4716VerB.jpg?t=1239828745 (http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu244/Gizzmo0815/JoytechNeoSE4716VerB.jpg?t=1239828745)

1) With my cheap-ass analog multimeter set on 1K Ohms (resistance test) if I put the positive lead on any one of the red pads and the negative on any other red pad I get 0 Ohms resistance, I'm assuming that means this is a common ground controller. Please please correct me if I'm wrong on that, I'm new to this.

2) If I put the positive lead on any red pad and the negative on any blue pad I get 5 Ohms, I'm assuming that means the blue pads are the signal pads. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong.

3) If I put the positive on any red pad and put the negative on the middle post (marked in yellow) for either of the trigger POTS I get a reading of approximately .5 Ohms, and on the bottom post on the triggers (marked in orange) I get approximately 1.5 Ohms. Can I safely say that the yellow post is the "Low" and the Orange is the "High"? And if I leave the POTS on the board glued into the same position they would be in with the trigger UN-pressed and then hooked up the button to the orange post (High?) would that effectively make my pushbutton act as a digital button in place of the triggers?

Here's how I'm going to wire it:

(http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/uu244/Gizzmo0815/JoytechNeoSE4716VerBWithWiring.jpg?t=1239834902)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: northerngames on April 15, 2009, 06:43:59 pm
Gizzmo0815 just curious who makes that pcb?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 15, 2009, 06:46:10 pm
Joytech, from what I understand it's basically a Madcatz PCB rebranded. Sold at Gamestop for $25.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: PlaneGuy on April 16, 2009, 05:11:30 am
Still uses the 10K resistor, but I think it either has to go between two different soldering points, than the other versions of the official controller, or something to that effect.

That was exactly the problem. A quick switcheroo of the resistor and it all works great! Thanks for the help. I suppose I'll have to post a picture or two when all's said and done.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Gizzmo0815 on April 16, 2009, 04:17:51 pm
HarumaN this is what someone on another forum said. Does this ring true to you? Or is he full of it?


Quote
Originally Posted by Gizzmo0815 View Post
Here's how I'm going to wire it:

http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...g?t=1239834902
Everything looks good, except your LT/RT. The LT and RT signals are the middle post, that you have marked yellow, and they are grounded when not pressed, and high when pressed. In order to use them with a common ground, you'll need to remove the pots and use two resistors and a transistor per trigger. There's a thread on hacking the madcatz triggers specifically, let me find it and I'll edit this.

(edit)
Here's a pic of how to wire the triggers:
http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912...46559450665170

And the thread about it:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169203

Your ground and high are colored right, and the yellow is the wiper.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 16, 2009, 10:53:07 pm
Did you try it yet? 

You do have to do the newer madcatz pcb with two resistors and a transistor per trigger.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 01:06:51 am
I'm trying to wire triggers on a Madcats #4716 - 2008 copyright.

I used my multimiter to figure out which post was low. I then wired it up like the diagram below, but I am not getting any response when I test it with my multimiter or when I plug into my computer and try to test it that way. I'm hoping it's just some dumb noob mistake. Can you see anything that looks wrong?

For the record, I did remove the pot. I'm hoping that wasn't a F-up on my part.
(http://jasonroosevelt.com/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/joystick-building/transistor_diagram.png)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 22, 2009, 07:39:41 am
Isn't supposed to be a PNP transistor?

And yes, you have to remove the trigger pot for it to work.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 07:46:02 am
Isn't supposed to be a PNP transistor?

And yes, you have to remove the trigger pot for it to work.
I thought I read somewhere that id didn't matter whether it was pnp or npn, but that would be a good next step to try, I guess.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 07:52:16 am
This thread at Shoryuken.com mentions npn transistors:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169203
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 22, 2009, 07:56:19 am
This thread at Shoryuken.com mentions npn transistors:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=169203

Oh, you're right.  I'm still half asleep, haven't finished my coffee yet.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 09:06:09 am
Oh, you're right.  I'm still half asleep, haven't finished my coffee yet.
I'm still half asleep because I was up 'til midnight trying to get the darn thing to work. Argh.

According to someone at shoryuken.com, they think that my schematic was right. I actualy drew that up based on what I had already wired, so it should be completely representative of my wiring job.

A couple things jut to make sure I'm not an idiot:

Thanks as always for the help.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 11:52:46 am
Sorry if I'm being a pest with these posts. I sort've obsess about this stuff until I figure it out. I'm funny like that.

Here's a quote from a post on Shoryuken.com. The colored text was my doing:

Quote
You need the npn if the triggers are high active, you don't if they're low active. Most of the recent ones are high active.  Dig out the multimeter, and check the voltage of the center pin of the triggers, both unpressed and pressed. You can follow slagcoin's site with a single resistor per trigger if it's not got any voltage when you press the trigger, but if it does carry a voltage when you press the trigger, you need an NPN setup.


Does that potentially mean that some of them aren't high-active? I just assumed all the newer ones were. I didn't test the voltage before removing the trigger to know for sure. D'oh!
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 22, 2009, 02:03:37 pm
Only the new ones are high-active.

If you open it up and the pcb looks like the following photo, you have the older(easier) pcb...
http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5282843023799314882 (http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5282843023799314882)

If you open it up and the pcb looks like the following photo, you have the newer(high active) pcb...
http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5275066499737886146 (http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5275066499737886146)
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 07:02:58 pm
Only the new ones are high-active.

If you open it up and the pcb looks like the following photo, you have the older(easier) pcb...
Thanks again, and I'm incredibly embarrassed. Apparently my PCB is the older, easier hack, and I wasted my time last night. There's just too much information out there. I'm having a hard time keeping it all straight, I guess.
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 22, 2009, 07:04:43 pm
Come to HarumaN... he'll set you straight.   ;)
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 22, 2009, 07:06:01 pm
Come to HarumaN... he'll set you straight.   ;)

I really appreciate the help - sincerely.

So this just requires the one resistor like the official version does, then?

I owe you a beer. :cheers:
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 23, 2009, 01:51:54 am
Here we go again... I'm really stumped with this trigger thing. Based on this image, I definitely have this PCB for my #4716 pad:
Quote from: zombie cpt;6104243
If you open it up and the pcb looks like the following photo, you have the older(easier) pcb...
http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5282843023799314882 (http://picasaweb.google.com/wliu0912/PrehackedPads#5282843023799314882)

I connected a 10K ohm resistor between the High and Wiper on each trigger. Then, I ran a wire from the Wiper side of the resistor to the button (the button's ground is connected to the common ground on the pad).

When I test it with my multimiter, I get about 5 Ohms resistance, which is pretty much identical to every other button I wired.

I plugged it into my PC to test with the "Properties" window. All of the buttons work, except for the trigger. I believe that it's supposed to affect the "Z-axis" display, right?

Any other ideas of what I might be doing wrong? I'm quite certain I'm connected to the High and Wiper spots with that resistor, as the open spot registers about 1 ohm resistance, which is comparable to the resistance shown by the other ground points.

Thanks a ton.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 24, 2009, 07:28:09 am
I share this only to help others, because I certainly feel like a dumbass about it.

My whole issue revolved around a misunderstanding of how to interpret my multimiter. Apparently, a low resistance (i.e. small number of ohms) represents a high voltage, and vice-versa. So, the whole time, I was thinking of it backwards. I thought the low ohm rating meant a low voltage, and I was hooking up one end of the resistor to the wrong spot.

Live and learn, I guess. So I was able to finish off my second stick yesterday and deliver it to my friend who has done the artwork for me.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: psi88 on April 26, 2009, 11:10:38 am
Again a bit thanks to HarumaN... I've just completed my first stick.. (shamless plug http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=91849.0)

HarumaN got my hacked MadcatZ to me here in the UK for a great price, with excellent quality work and no issues at all..

He does fantastic service and I'd recommend him to all considering outsourcing the work, no matter where you are..
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Post by: HaRuMaN on April 26, 2009, 11:26:27 am
Again a bit thanks to HarumaN... I've just completed my first stick.. (shamless plug http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=91849.0)

HarumaN got my hacked MadcatZ to me here in the UK for a great price, with excellent quality work and no issues at all..

He does fantastic service and I'd recommend him to all considering outsourcing the work, no matter where you are..

Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad everything worked well!

Nice stick by the way, I really like the artwork!  :cheers:
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Post by: psi88 on April 26, 2009, 12:50:25 pm
Thanks HarumaN, I would havr said thanks in your buy/sell thread but i think i need a higher post count to unlock posting rights?

Thanks for the kind comments about my stick, the build has been an education for sure, but it all came together as i hoped, including the "guide" button bits you kindly hacked out for me..

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Henshin1 on April 26, 2009, 09:11:47 pm
Hi guys,
I'm just wondering if i want to wire buttons up to the Left and right thumbstick clicks. Do i have to remove that box like object containing the thumbstick components from the PCB? Or can i just solder the wire to the back of the pcb where the connection point is?

Thanks  :cheers:
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Post by: crankypunk on April 28, 2009, 12:10:24 am
you got mail  ;D
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Post by: Henshin1 on April 28, 2009, 09:50:18 pm
When it comes to connecting common ground, does it all have to be connected in serial like from one point to another? Or can i connect it like a tree where one point can connect to two or more points?
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on April 30, 2009, 09:28:23 am
Henshin:
I think this is what you're referring to...

If my PCB is common ground, I've got one ground wire coming off of it. But then I've got my joystick/buttons with a bunch of ground wires coming off of them. You could certainly run each of those joystick/button ground wires to the one PCB ground wire (the "tree" like you said).

I think most people "daisy chain" the ground wires from one button to the next because it's usually a bit neater, saves wire, etc.
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Post by: Gengurru on May 01, 2009, 07:43:18 pm
Ok I tried to read all the posts before mine but i lack an attention span big enough to pay attention that long, so if i ask something already asked or whatever thats why.

I'm a noob to this and i'm making an arcade stick out of a wired xbox 360 controller. I recently bought a wired 360 controller, i'm not sure if it's a newer one or an older one or if that matters. I haven't done anything to the controller yet other than take it apart, but i have practiced getting off the protective coating on an old xbox controller i dont use anymore, so i'm ok at that. However, after that I'm lost as to what to do because i'm also a noob at soldering and wiring and all that.



Thanks for all the help.


P.S. I was distracted while writing this so please point out any mistakes or whatever.

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Post by: HaRuMaN on May 05, 2009, 01:42:34 pm
Well, easiest thing to do would be to assume it is an older controller with no common ground.

Start by taking off the black off either side of each switch.  Clean, and apply solder to where you have exposed copper.

get some white euro style terminal strips.  Solder a wire to each side of the switch (so you get two per switch).  run those wires and connect them to the terminal strip.  Once you've done this, connect your joystick and buttons to the terminal strips.
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Post by: Gengurru on May 05, 2009, 02:23:26 pm
Mmmkay thanks HarumaN
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Post by: HaRuMaN on May 05, 2009, 02:25:51 pm
No prob.

Let me know if you need any more help.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Nakune on May 21, 2009, 10:27:28 pm
I've just finished soldering all of the signal wires on a new Madcatz pad (2008 edition), but had a question for the grounding (which I know has seemed common on this thread, but I didn't quiet see the answer I was looking for now that I actually started). The pad layout is:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4827/madcatz2008sp4.jpg

I assume, according to other slagcoin diagrams such as:

http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg

that Y and Up are common grounds on the 2008 pad. Does that mean that as long as each other button (other than Y and Up) is contained in a "daisy chain" circuit (on the other contact point for each respective button) that includes either Y or Up that the button will be grounded?

I appreciate any help

EDIT: After looking at another person's wiring method, I realized that a common ground entails none of what I just described, as I simply don't have to wire any grounds at all. And hence why everyone loves em....
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Nakune on May 22, 2009, 01:02:57 am
I've just finished soldering all of the signal wires on a new Madcatz pad (2008 edition), but had a question for the grounding (which I know has seemed common on this thread, but I didn't quiet see the answer I was looking for now that I actually started). The pad layout is:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4827/madcatz2008sp4.jpg

I assume, according to other slagcoin diagrams such as:

http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg

that Y and Up are common grounds on the 2008 pad. Does that mean that as long as each other button (other than Y and Up) is contained in a "daisy chain" circuit (on the other contact point for each respective button) that includes either Y or Up that the button will be grounded?

I appreciate any help

EDIT: After looking at another person's wiring method, I realized that a common ground entails none of what I just described, as I simply don't have to wire any grounds on the PCB at all. And hence why everyone loves common grounds....
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on May 22, 2009, 09:04:56 am
Quote from: Nakune link=topic=64050.msg973034#msg973034
EDIT: After looking at another person's wiring method, I realized that a common ground entails none of what I just described, as I simply don't have to wire any grounds at all. And hence why everyone loves em....
Even with a common ground, you need to have at least one ground wire. What I did, and I think is the most common approach, is that you daisy-chain the ground wires on your joystick and buttons together, and then run the one ground wire from the common ground point on the PCB to the start of your daisy-chain.

Does that make sense?
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Post by: Nakune on May 22, 2009, 11:00:05 am
Yeah, it makes sense now. Thanks for the help.
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Post by: SG Jaycurl on May 29, 2009, 09:59:21 am
Just bought some 360 official wireless gamepads (black color) from NewEgg.com. I popped off the back and looked at the sticker there to try and verify whether they were Common Ground or not, and I couldn't really figure out which they were by comparing to the SlagCoin diagrams.

Does anyone know if there's a way to tell on the black gamerpads?

Thanks.
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Post by: traknfieldSUPAstar on June 01, 2009, 05:02:15 pm
I recently hacked a madcatz pcb a couple weeks ago. I was able to solder everything and all the buttons work EXCEPT for the Right Trigger. the left trigger works fine. I've left the pot on so I didn't have to go and wire a resistor/transistor. Did I get the wiring confused or something? Anybody got a picture of there completed pcb?
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Post by: HaRuMaN on June 01, 2009, 05:09:17 pm
If it's the NEW madcatz pcb, you will need a transistor & a couple of resistors to get it to work.
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Post by: traknfieldSUPAstar on June 02, 2009, 12:33:14 pm
awww... oh well, my two white sanwa buttons just came in anyways, I'll add the transistor/resistors. thanks, haruman =)
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Post by: northerngames on June 02, 2009, 04:41:36 pm
(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/northerngames/CommonGroundLooksLikeThis.jpg)

(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/northerngames/MatrixLooksLikeThis.jpg)
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Post by: HaRuMaN on June 02, 2009, 04:48:22 pm
^^  Yeah, I just look for the L7 vs. the J7 at the top right corner of that plastic piece.
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Post by: northerngames on June 02, 2009, 05:21:19 pm
 I usually do the same but once in a blue moon the print is under the grey plastic and only the 7 shows wich makes it hard to tell sometimes.

 another easy way to tell but it has to be opened is look for the solder holes in a row of 3 at the bottom left of the controller pcb the matrix has 3 the CG has none.

 
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Post by: Nakune on June 02, 2009, 11:14:04 pm
I've just finished putting together a stick, but have hit an odd problem that I don't quite know the cause of. I'm using an ultimarc j-stick and a madcatz new(er) gamer pad. When I go to play any game, the directions, particularly left and it seems down, go on the fritz and register as always completing the circuit. However, on the Xbox dashboard and when I type in names manually (such as when entering in a profile name), the directions seem to work fine. Additionally, the directions all seem reversed in Street Fighter IV alone. Does anyone have any clue what is going on? I know that I have the wires hooked to NC. Thanks for any help you can give me.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 03, 2009, 12:00:34 am
Shouldn't all your switches be wired NO?
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Post by: Nakune on June 03, 2009, 06:40:06 pm
And...d'oh. That did it, and it works great now.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 04, 2009, 07:40:30 am
And...d'oh. That did it, and it works great now.

 ;D  Sometimes it's just the little things...  glad I could help.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Nakune on June 07, 2009, 10:58:18 pm
Aight, hopefully a last question. The A button on my controller came unsoldered and took the contact with it, so I went ahead and hacked a second controller for the set-up. Because it's a Madcatz, I made sure to check that it worked before I opened it up (it did). After hacking it, I found that neither A nor X work at all, and the power/guide button is on the fritz, even when the button is not plugged in at all. I checked with a multi-meter, and the signal is coming through fine on the A and X buttons and they are both grounded. Additionally, all are set to NO. Anyone have any clue what's going on? It was suggested by someone else that there was possibly a short, and if anyone thinks they could help actually spot it, I could post a picture of the pad up. Thanks.
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Post by: wilsman00 on June 11, 2009, 03:03:06 pm
Hello I just built my fight stick and I am having some issues with the joystick.

I have a JLF-TP-8T joystick and I am using this 360 controller:
http://www.joystickvault.com/showpho...to=451&cat=507

All the buttons work fine but only up and right works on it. Down gives me up and Left gives me left but it gives me LBumper at the same time. I can't see any solder issues so far.

Also I tried using the 2 universal dpad grounds to the sticks single and it went all crazy so now I have a +/- for each direction soldered directly to the pcb.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 11, 2009, 03:05:15 pm
Which controller are you using?  Your link is broken.

Also, post some close up pics of your PCB and your soldering.
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Post by: wilsman00 on June 11, 2009, 03:26:53 pm
Sorry about the link, this should work.  It's the gamestop branded BB-070
http://joystickvault.com/data/507/medium/bb070wiredfront.jpg
http://joystickvault.com/data/507/medium/bb070wiredrear.jpg

Pics to come shortly.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 11, 2009, 03:42:38 pm
Sorry about the link, this should work.  It's the gamestop branded BB-070
http://joystickvault.com/data/507/medium/bb070wiredfront.jpg
http://joystickvault.com/data/507/medium/bb070wiredrear.jpg

Pics to come shortly.

Are you sure you have that exact controller?  There are at least 3 different MadCatz wired controllers for the Xbox 360.
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Post by: wilsman00 on June 11, 2009, 11:27:53 pm
Yes that is the exact one I have.  I fixed the issue after staring at it for an hour lol.  I soldered the points directly to the pcb but I forgot about the ground chain on the pcb.  So my solders were doing nothing since it all was still connected.  So after I severed the connections from all the grounds everything was perfect.  The 2 common grounds were still jacking everything up.

Also am I mistaken or is this one of the controllers where people arn"t sure how to get triggers working with.  I think I saw earlier in this thread or on another forum that the usual solder directly onto pots, or adds resistors and such don't work the usual way.

Thanks Again
Chris
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Post by: HaRuMaN on June 12, 2009, 09:02:54 am
To be honest, I have no idea about the triggers on that particular board. 

As far as the two other boards are concerned, one is easy, you just solder directly to the pots after turning the pots to neutral.  The other board (the newest PCB revision), you have to remove the pots, and use two 10Kohm resistors and a transistor per trigger to get it to work.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on June 16, 2009, 10:58:17 pm
Can anyone confirm if the newest Madcatz 4716 (2009, version E) has the same soldering points/ground points as the 2007 version shown on Slagcoin? http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg

I tried testing some of the points out with my multimiter and I'm not getting the results I'd expect. But, then again, I'm still sort of a novice to this and may be misinterpreting the multimiter.

And thanks for the help with figuring out the PCB version on those wireless controls. Unfortunately, they were the old version. Bah.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on June 16, 2009, 11:36:47 pm
Answered my own question again - found it after searching on some different forums:

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4827/madcatz2008sp4.jpg
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: butteroj on June 28, 2009, 12:45:50 pm
Does anyone know of an alternate solder point on a 2009 madcatz wired?  The pad ripped off on mine  :hissy:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: magitek on July 02, 2009, 01:51:28 am
On the 2009 MadCatz controller, does anyone know what the 10 silver points in the center are for? The first few are labeled S0, and S1. Has anyone traced that particular pcb? (Besides just knowing where the regular contacts are)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on July 02, 2009, 01:51:31 pm
Does anyone know of an alternate solder point on a 2009 madcatz wired?  The pad ripped off on mine  :hissy:
An alternate point for what? Which button/direction, etc.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: SG Jaycurl on July 02, 2009, 01:52:18 pm
On the 2009 MadCatz controller, does anyone know what the 10 silver points in the center are for? The first few are labeled S0, and S1. Has anyone traced that particular pcb? (Besides just knowing where the regular contacts are)
I haven't personally seen a full map of all the alternate points, etc. I've been around the 'net on this one quite a bit, too.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: DagYo! on July 03, 2009, 07:11:20 pm
HarumaN I've got money in hand for 2 wireless controllers. email me if you would TheRealDagYo@gmail.com
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Post by: HaRuMaN on July 04, 2009, 10:29:18 am
HarumaN I've got money in hand for 2 wireless controllers. email me if you would x@z.com

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: magitek on July 11, 2009, 07:35:45 am
Haruman,

I noticed in the pic of your hacked madcatz you offer that all your wires seem to be going below the controller, but the pcb diagrams don't indicate where those points are. Are all the buttons accessible from below? Do you have a diagram?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 11, 2009, 11:13:42 am
Haruman,

I noticed in the pic of your hacked madcatz you offer that all your wires seem to be going below the controller, but the pcb diagrams don't indicate where those points are. Are all the buttons accessible from below? Do you have a diagram?

Thanks!

A diagram of the solder points? 

http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram3.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: magitek on July 11, 2009, 04:18:53 pm
Haruman, in your thread about your hacking services, the pic of the madcatz controller has red wires going under the controller and none on the top of the face buttons. What points were you using? The diagram you posted doesn't list those points on the underside, only clicks, bumpers, and triggers... 

I'm confused ???
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 12, 2009, 10:01:49 am
Haruman, in your thread about your hacking services, the pic of the madcatz controller has red wires going under the controller and none on the top of the face buttons. What points were you using? The diagram you posted doesn't list those points on the underside, only clicks, bumpers, and triggers... 

I'm confused ???

Oh, that was an unfinished pic.  I just posted that one when I figured out how to hack the triggers on the new MadCatz pad.  The wires on the bottom are for RT & LT
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: magitek on July 13, 2009, 09:02:21 pm
HarumaN, I have some money that has your name on it, check your pm  ;D
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Post by: HaRuMaN on July 13, 2009, 11:35:07 pm
HarumaN, I have some money that has your name on it, check your pm  ;D

Did you send me a PM?  I don't have one from you... can you try again?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: magitek on July 14, 2009, 12:19:16 am
Ok, sent.

Let's hope 3rd time's the charm, heh. (The very first time it failed I think)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 14, 2009, 09:29:44 am
Ok, sent.

Let's hope 3rd time's the charm, heh. (The very first time it failed I think)

Got it, replied via email.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: butteroj on July 14, 2009, 04:50:03 pm
Does anyone know of an alternate solder point on a 2009 madcatz wired?  The pad ripped off on mine  :hissy:
This is for the Start button.....
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: dppham on July 21, 2009, 01:33:09 pm
how do i find the high low and wiper. im not sure if i connected it right

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums/ac211/dppham/IMG00036-20090713-1931.jpg
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: fjl on August 03, 2009, 01:26:10 am
Is there any way to remove the plastic mechanism for the trigger buttons without damaging them or having to solder off the potentiometers? Cause it looks like I would have to either break the plastic or solder off the potentiometer to remove them. Two things I want to avoid.

Also, what should I do to move the headset jack from the controller to one of the sides of the arcade stick housing?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Volk on August 06, 2009, 11:21:18 pm
hey ppl i know how to wire the controller and everything but i only dont know how to do one thing.... and its how to conect the wires to the joystick, i have been looking for tutorials but they only tell you how to wire the controller and i would like to some on to tell me how to conect it or sold it to the joystick cuz its my first time doing this kind of stuff and i dont wanna screw it  ):  so plz some one help me  (:

thx
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 07, 2009, 07:35:33 am
Hey, take a look at slagcoin (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/introduction.html).  They have a ton of info.

Here is a diagram from them:

(http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_wiring/extracted_setup.png)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Volk on August 07, 2009, 06:44:19 pm
Hey, take a look at slagcoin (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/introduction.html).  They have a ton of info.

Here is a diagram from them:

(http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_wiring/extracted_setup.png)

thx for the info man..that was alot of help and now i understand a little bit more (:

but now im stuck with other things now  xP  in the diagram they use only one ground for all the signals of the joystick and i have ground wires for each of the signal wires... did i screw it already?  :0
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 07, 2009, 06:57:21 pm
Nope, you can eliminate their common ground, and just wire up your separate ground to each button.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Volk on August 08, 2009, 01:03:54 am
yeah i know that i can do that with the buttons but the problem its with the joystick...thats what i mean for one ground only and dont really know how to make that  :0 ....  i make a diagram based on the one you posted so you can tell me how to do it cuz i have 4 direccional signal wires (up,down,left,right) and for each the direccions i have grounds so i wanna know how to doit like the diagram u posted or another way cuz i really wanna make it right  (:

thx again and have patience on me... its my first time doing electronics and this kind of stuff  xP


(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1623/diagramqxy.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 08, 2009, 08:10:00 am
There is a pcb that runs around the joystick.  You simply have to break the ground wire on it (in 4 places) and then wire directly to the switches.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: northerngames on August 08, 2009, 07:31:00 pm
all you need to do is connect the 4 seperate switch's ground's on the joystick to any one main ground wire on the PCB.

you could run all 4 switch's with their own seperate ground wire all running to the main ground or you can run 1 single wire to be used as a ground to connect to all 4 switch's ground to ground and then have it run to your main ground off the PCB

that one ground wire can connect to any other ground wire wether it is one connected to your buttons in the control panel or to a ground of the printed circuit board but it all has to connect ground wise

see how your buttons are wired and notice the switch is the same as your joystick?

now wire the joystick the same as your button switch's as they are the same exact thing.

1 signal 1 ground for each switch.

the signals need to be seperate but the grounds do not you can run everything with it's own seperate ground that would eventually run into one main ground "the hard way" or you could dasiy chain 1 ground to them all "the Easy Way" or you could do a little of both.

to make it short there schematic is wrong so here it is corrected  :laugh2:

(http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj70/northerngames/diagramqxy.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: fjl on August 09, 2009, 02:39:48 am
Is there any way to remove the plastic mechanism for the trigger buttons without damaging them or having to solder off the potentiometers? Cause it looks like I would have to either break the plastic or solder off the potentiometer to remove them. Two things I want to avoid.

Also, what should I do to move the headset jack from the controller to one of the sides of the arcade stick housing?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Volk on August 09, 2009, 05:30:36 am
ok so i need to use the pcb of the joystick to conect all the grounds?

i found this vid and the dude from the vid sold the grounds (or signals?) to the joystick pcb... so i need to do it that way?  :0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXkUo090ffY

thx
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Hendew on September 20, 2009, 06:44:30 pm
Hey I need some help guys I have a new 360 wireleess controller that I am trying to hack I went to slagcoin.com and got the wireless pcb map, but it is totally wrong. I know this cause I did a continuity test on the board. Anyone know where I can get a proper diagram?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Hendew on September 20, 2009, 08:51:57 pm
nevermind I figured it out. I did buy a new wireless controller but however it was the late version, I was just being dumb and thought well the controller is new so it must be the latest hardware.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 21, 2009, 09:59:13 am
Anyone looked into using the PCBs out of one of the guitar controllers?  I took apart an extra Xplorer and it's got reasonably large traces and I think most of the inputs you'd need...

Can you snap a pic of that PCB?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: versapak on September 21, 2009, 11:41:15 am
Anyone looked into using the PCBs out of one of the guitar controllers?  I took apart an extra Xplorer and it's got reasonably large traces and I think most of the inputs you'd need...

I haven't looked into it at all, but I have a PCB from my original Rock Band drums lying around, and it would be an easy hack. I have a feeling the guitar would be just as easy to hack, but you are only going to get 5 play buttons out of it. (A,B,X,Y & RB)


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: versapak on September 21, 2009, 12:30:09 pm
Pretty sure the whammy and strum bar are two additional inputs, are they not?

And you've got the d-pad, start, select, and home. 

The whammy and strum bars are what would be the right and left analog sticks, and I said play buttons.

There are plenty of games that you can play with only the 5 buttons, but why bother being limited? If funds are such that a cheap madcatz is out of reach, and you have the guitar wasting space, then I guess it is an option. I just personally don't see it as one worth bothering with.


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: versapak on September 21, 2009, 04:27:22 pm
Ah well, you're determined to be right so you win.  I think you'd get another input out of the tilt sensor, too.

It was just something I had contemplated as I've seen people throwing these controllers away, and hauled one out of the trash last week...


I'm not just determined to win. I am also right. You are guessing as to what is there, while I know exactly what is there.

Green = A
Red = B
Blue = X
Yellow = Y
Orange = RB

Whammy = right analog stick from center to right
Tilt = right analog stick pushing up
Strum Bar = d-pad up & down

5 way selector = various positions of the left trigger

Back, Start, Guide and D-Pad are all self explanatory.

On a rock band guitar the solo buttons are the same as the regular buttons with the addition of having the left stick click pressed as well.

If what it offers sounds sufficient for you to use as a hack for an arcade setup, then by all means go for it. I was simply stating its limitations.



[EDIT]
I notice that I stated in my other post that the strum bar was analog stick. That is incorrect, and what I have in this post is correct.

Oooops :)


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: northerngames on September 22, 2009, 07:43:30 pm
those look very easy to work with

the second pcb pic could be bypassed completly by just using the wire's that are running to/from the 2nd pcb to the main one so that could be eliminated right off the get with ease but still have it's function through the wire's or their solder points on the main pcb.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: GuerillaDust on October 01, 2009, 05:35:36 pm
So I'd like to make a wireless 360 Fight stick
I've never done this though

Can someone give me a list of all materials I need?  I think I'm going to make it out of a shoebox for my first run since I'm not so great with tools.

I have a 360 wireless controller so part 1 is done
Now what else do I need?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: versapak on October 01, 2009, 06:07:57 pm
So I'd like to make a wireless 360 Fight stick
I've never done this though

Can someone give me a list of all materials I need?  I think I'm going to make it out of a shoebox for my first run since I'm not so great with tools.

I have a 360 wireless controller so part 1 is done
Now what else do I need?


A stick, some buttons, some wire, some quick connects and some solder, but first...

Read up on the wealth of information already on the subject. The Wiki is probably a good place to start.


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Mikeosoft on February 19, 2011, 12:34:57 pm
hi sorry to bring up an old thread, but I'm in need of 2 xbox 360 controller hacks for a naomi universal cab i'd like to play 360 on (some marvel vs. capcom 3)  do you still offer?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on February 19, 2011, 12:58:14 pm
hi sorry to bring up an old thread, but I'm in need of 2 xbox 360 controller hacks for a naomi universal cab i'd like to play 360 on (some marvel vs. capcom 3)  do you still offer?

PM sent
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: ark_ader on February 20, 2011, 06:50:03 pm
I'm looking at that Datel Pro to play Pacman CE on.

Do you think it will be suitable?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: emphatic on March 17, 2011, 09:41:50 am
I have a Mad Katz padhack where the "right" direction has stopped responding.  :'( I saw this coming as I've read somewhere that these things tend to fail after a while. Is it possible to use the analog input just for one direction? In my mind it would be possible for it to go from off->on just like a digital input somehow by bypassing it's pot?

Edit: I successfully used one of the analog directions and now I have full functionality again, even though it feels like a somewhat dirty fix. It will have to do for now.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: thecig on March 21, 2011, 10:55:05 pm
HarumaN u have a PM from me :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Redondo on March 30, 2011, 02:03:18 am
Hi HarumaN,

I'm using an xbox 360 PC controller and have hacked it up but I can't find where I could solder an LED to indicate it being on.  Every point I've tried has constant power.  Have you come across these points?    If it means anything, you've inspired me to create my own controller and so far so good.  I'm in the midst of creating the box and waiting for the arrival of the buttons.  Thank you very much for this very informative and friendly thread.

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Redondo on April 10, 2011, 09:08:04 pm
Here are some pictures of my finished joystick.  Now, the box needs a little work in the corners but other than that, it's pretty much done :).  This is my first time starting a project and actually finishing LOL.  I was planning of using the lighting up the dome hack so I can see when the controller is on but decided against it because I didn't want to risk screwing up the pcb wiring.  I decided instead to have an open joystick stick so I can quickly troubleshoot any issue I may have so that kind of eliminated the need for the light.  Because of the orientation of the pcb I soldered a power pack and placed it in the middle so I can switch batteries easily. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 11, 2011, 09:50:54 am
Did you follow my tutorial?  Great job!  I don't blame you not soldering to the LED's...  those surface mount points are a pain, lol.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: bobotech on April 11, 2011, 12:17:29 pm
Nice box!  One suggestion though, get some black oxide allen head screws for the joystick.  They would just look a lot better than the shiny slotted screws you have there now.

But hey, I shouldn't complain, my box is no where near as nice looking as yours.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Redondo on April 12, 2011, 01:42:31 am
Did you follow my tutorial?  Great job!  I don't blame you not soldering to the LED's...  those surface mount points are a pain, lol.   :cheers:

Yeah, I pretty much took your pictures as a foundation to getting this built.  I was thinking about buying a pre-made box but I figured, this is a custom stick, might as well make the box as well.  I bought the Xbox 360 PC gamepad thinking I could use it on the Xbox 360 slim but once I plug in the Receiver, the xbox freezes :(.  It wasn't all a waste though because I found out that the actual Xbox 360 remote works with the PC as long as you have the wireless receiver which is what the pc version comes with.  The best part about it, you just need one receiver to have multiple controllers and my arcade stick works perfectly along side the Xbox 360 controller on the pc.  I have ordered another xbox 360 remote so I can start on another custom stick and will make some minor changes now that I know what to look for after building the first one.  I remember reading somewhere, I believe in the xbox forum where the PCB contacts were posted on your thread, that the hardest part was done when they were referring to the soldering part.  Seriously, as a person who never worked with wood or power tools to this extent, the soldering was cake compared to that :P.  Coincidently the soldering and wiring was the most enjoyable part for me.

Nice box!  One suggestion though, get some black oxide allen head screws for the joystick.  They would just look a lot better than the shiny slotted screws you have there now.

But hey, I shouldn't complain, my box is no where near as nice looking as yours.


Hey Thanks!  Yeah, that's one thing I'll be doing for the next build :D.  I actually found those bolts in the garage so It saved me a trip to the hardware store.  I was seriously going there like 3 times a day since I had to purchase some of the drill bits and other knick-knacks.

Oh yeah, and below is a list of what the parts I used.  I read people giving the Happ Competition buttons a lot of flak but they are actually pretty nice and responsive.  I used the flat vs. the concave ones because my x-arcade has concave and they actually kinda blow.

Joystick:  Sanwa JLW-TM-8 Joystick + 0 Gateway
Buttons:  Happ Competition (matched up to the Xbox 360 color scheme)

I was going to go with the Sanwa JLF-TM-8T-SK but as of the ordering, they were out of stock.  So I went with the JLW which is SO much nicer than the X-arcade. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: CinemaSol on April 20, 2011, 09:23:46 pm
Is anyone selling the xbox 360 controller already modified and ready to go?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 21, 2011, 09:39:44 am
Is anyone selling the xbox 360 controller already modified and ready to go?

That would be me.  :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: CinemaSol on April 21, 2011, 02:42:15 pm
Can you pm me. I will need 3 for an arcade I'm building for a client.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on April 21, 2011, 02:52:31 pm
Can you pm me. I will need 3 for an arcade I'm building for a client.

Will do.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: bigmac996 on May 19, 2011, 05:29:50 am
Hi Haruman! I was lead here with the understanding that you hack 360 pads for arcade cabinets! I'm very interested in buying 2 if you're still in the business.

Do you have any knowledge of arcade cabinets? I'm very new to the scene, and got a Blast City cab. The monitor is a tri-sync vga, so all I would need is to hook up the 360 to the monitor and these hacks and I'm good, right? Thanks! (i'm such a noob haha)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 19, 2011, 10:25:05 am
Hi Haruman! I was lead here with the understanding that you hack 360 pads for arcade cabinets! I'm very interested in buying 2 if you're still in the business.

Do you have any knowledge of arcade cabinets? I'm very new to the scene, and got a Blast City cab. The monitor is a tri-sync vga, so all I would need is to hook up the 360 to the monitor and these hacks and I'm good, right? Thanks! (i'm such a noob haha)

Still am in the business.  Send me a PM, and we can talk about the details.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: bigmac996 on May 19, 2011, 02:43:35 pm
Since I'm a newbie (I guess?) I'm unable to send pms. Do you have an email address where I can contact you?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 19, 2011, 02:44:45 pm
Since I'm a newbie (I guess?) I'm unable to send pms. Do you have an email address where I can contact you?

yeah, it's my username here (all lowercase)

(at) gmail (dot) com
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: bigmac996 on May 19, 2011, 02:52:43 pm
Thanks man.  8) I sent a reply but I'm not sure whether or not you received it.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 19, 2011, 03:10:10 pm
Thanks man.  8) I sent a reply but I'm not sure whether or not you received it.

Got it :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 20, 2011, 03:23:30 am
I don't mean to hijack this thread but has anyone attempted to use non-standard controllers for hacks?

The reason I ask is I just picked up a renegade edition dj hero kit at big-lots for only 30 bucks.  I could have got the standard edition for only 20.  Since these devices often have pcbs that are seperate from the buttons and pretty much all music controllers have fallen out of favor they might make for a good base.  I don't know about the inclusion of all the buttons though... I think guitar controllers have one missing, for example.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 20, 2011, 09:43:20 am
Really, the only non-standard controller that I know for sure works is the ugly madcatz arcade stick:

(http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/MadCatzXbox360ArcadeGameStickhopefullywi_11D12/mad%20catz%20arcade%20joystick%5B2%5D.jpg)

Of course, other non standard controllers may work, too.

Typically, my controller of choice these days is the MadCatz fightpad, it's common ground, it's cheap, and both triggers are already digital.  Not to mention it has a switch that makes the D-pad act like either the left or right analog stick, if needed.

 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on May 20, 2011, 12:29:49 pm
I read about people using guitar controllers on Shoryuken.  Has anyone actually done this?  From what I read some people thought that the guitar controllers did have all the inputs, but that one of the inputs just wasn't being used
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: jmike on May 20, 2011, 01:20:59 pm
Really, the only non-standard controller that I know for sure works is the ugly madcatz arcade stick:

(http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/MadCatzXbox360ArcadeGameStickhopefullywi_11D12/mad%20catz%20arcade%20joystick%5B2%5D.jpg)

Of course, other non standard controllers may work, too.

Typically, my controller of choice these days is the MadCatz fightpad, it's common ground, it's cheap, and both triggers are already digital.  Not to mention it has a switch that makes the D-pad act like either the left or right analog stick, if needed.

 

HarumaN,
      I'm in the process of using two MadCats fight pads, would you happen to have a pic on where the solder points are for the triggers? The rest of the points were really easy.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 20, 2011, 02:07:01 pm
Yup:

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on May 20, 2011, 02:14:09 pm
Hey haruman.  Simple question. You know what voltage the SMD's are?  Thinking about making my guide buttons light up when the controller is on, figured the best way to do this would be to solder leads to the smd's.  Not sure what kind of voltage these are putting out though, and I have no multi meter...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: jmike on May 20, 2011, 02:18:46 pm
Yup:




Thanks. I'll give it a try when I get home.

 :notworthy:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 20, 2011, 02:59:37 pm
Hey haruman.  Simple question. You know what voltage the SMD's are?  Thinking about making my guide buttons light up when the controller is on, figured the best way to do this would be to solder leads to the smd's.  Not sure what kind of voltage these are putting out though, and I have no multi meter...


Don't know for sure... for some reason I want to say 3.3V, but I'll try to check later.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on May 20, 2011, 04:26:35 pm
Here is a good link, for those that want to light up their dome button and have it turn on and off with the controller.

http://www.niktronixonline.com/Controller_Dome_Mode_s/67.htm (http://www.niktronixonline.com/Controller_Dome_Mode_s/67.htm)

don't know where the equivalent points would be on the mad catz though.... I am investigating...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 23, 2011, 01:15:13 am
Really, the only non-standard controller that I know for sure works is the ugly madcatz arcade stick:

(http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/MadCatzXbox360ArcadeGameStickhopefullywi_11D12/mad%20catz%20arcade%20joystick%5B2%5D.jpg)

Of course, other non standard controllers may work, too.

Typically, my controller of choice these days is the MadCatz fightpad, it's common ground, it's cheap, and both triggers are already digital.  Not to mention it has a switch that makes the D-pad act like either the left or right analog stick, if needed.

That's about what I figured, thanks.....

I'm just trying to find cheaper pcbs, considering what we are going to do to them the controller itself can be utter crap.  "hero" controllers also have the added benefit of being solderless.... not that soldering is a big deal, but when you pop it open everything would look cleaner.   

I like the fightpad as an option, but does it have rumble support or not?  I have an idea in mind, but I need some rumble outputs to pull it off. 
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Howard_Casto on May 23, 2011, 01:16:49 am
Here is a good link, for those that want to light up their dome button and have it turn on and off with the controller.

http://www.niktronixonline.com/Controller_Dome_Mode_s/67.htm (http://www.niktronixonline.com/Controller_Dome_Mode_s/67.htm)

don't know where the equivalent points would be on the mad catz though.... I am investigating...


If nothing else you could pull 5v directly from the usb cable... you've just got to be careful not to pull too much power away from the pcb.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on May 23, 2011, 03:03:24 am
The problem with pulling straight from the USB is that it's a constant 5v, so the light is on as long as the controller is plugged in, even when the xbox is off
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on May 23, 2011, 09:48:22 am
I like the fightpad as an option, but does it have rumble support or not?  I have an idea in mind, but I need some rumble outputs to pull it off. 

I don't think it does.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on May 23, 2011, 11:54:41 am
No, it does not. It does have headphone support. I'll poke around those when I finally get a multimeter
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Mark Thomas on June 09, 2011, 03:41:32 pm
Hi all,

This my first post so go easy on me :)

I am thinking of making an Xbox 2 player panel with wireless pads for use on fighting games:

Mortal Kombat 9, Super Street Fighter 4 & Marvel Vs Capcom. My woodworking skills are awful but I will give it a go.

I have a few questions:

1. Can all the buttons on an XBox controller be rigged up to arcade controls?

2. Where would you put the guide and sync buttons?

3. What types of arcade buttons/ sticks work best with the hacked pads? Sanwa, cherry switch.

Many thanks for your help

Mark
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 09, 2011, 03:48:42 pm
If you are making a 2 player panel, why not go wired?  No messing with batteries, sync, etc.

As for your questions:

1) You get the D-Pad, A,B,X,Y,Back,Guide,Start,Lb,Rb,Lt,Rt, and sync (for wireless)

2) Are you asking about where to put them on your panel?  Anywhere out of the way, so they don't accidentally get pressed.

3) That all depends on your preference.  Any arcade button / 8 way joystick will work fine with the hacked pad.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Mark Thomas on June 09, 2011, 09:32:25 pm
Thank you for your quick reply.

I have decided on wireless to avoid all the wires coming out of the unit my hope is the make a sit down panel that will be self-contained and play the games on my 50" tv.

I may have misunderstood how the guide and sync buttons work, would they both be arcade push buttons then like the rest? For some reason I had it in my head that they would be as they were on the control pad but removed and replaced on the panel.

I'm also thinking Sanwa seem the be the fighters choice for most modern sticks so I will look into where to get parts.

One final question If i may:

Once I buy 2 Pre hacked pads from yourself how do I conect up to push button and joystick? Do I have to solder anything?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 10, 2011, 09:35:55 am
The guide and sync buttons would be arcade pushbuttons, just like the rest.  Of course, you can use smaller pushbuttons for these, since they aren't "play" buttons.

You can buy sanwa and seimitsu parts at lizardlick.com

Once you get hacks from me, there is no soldering involved.  Just wire from the terminal strip I attach to the hack (it has labeled screw terminals, just strip the end of the wire and screw down), and connect the other end to your buttons.  Most people use crimp quick disconnects for this. 

If you buy a sanwa joystick, it normally has a harness that you can attach directly to the terminal strip I provide.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Mark Thomas on June 11, 2011, 11:56:54 pm
Thanks buddy am chance you could PM a price for 2 wireless ones for shipping to UK? also any chance of a pic of terminal strip? Many thanks
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: opt2not on June 12, 2011, 02:12:21 pm
Here's a picture of 2 Haruman hacks he did for me a while back. The left one is an official controller, the right is a Madcatz arcade gamestick:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=113335)

The terminal strips are those white bars, they have screws that you can tighten and loosen to insert a wire into.  No soldering needed.
Quality work.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 12, 2011, 04:37:28 pm
Thanks, opt2not!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Mark Thomas on June 12, 2011, 04:44:53 pm
Thanks Opt2not I appreciate that just out of curiosity what push buttons did you go with for your cp?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on June 13, 2011, 10:37:18 am
Thanks buddy am chance you could PM a price for 2 wireless ones for shipping to UK? also any chance of a pic of terminal strip? Many thanks

I sent you a PM...   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: opt2not on June 13, 2011, 12:53:58 pm
Thanks Opt2not I appreciate that just out of curiosity what push buttons did you go with for your cp?
I originally went with Happs competition buttons, but then switched to Sanwa OBSF-30.

Thanks, opt2not!
;) No problem!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: renbry on June 20, 2011, 09:59:34 am
hi HarumaN
sorry, but i just joined and can't PM you directly. I'm interested in two wired 360 hacks - but with a twist. I'd love to try and incorporate the work involved to get the 360 Guide button working too. http://www.instructables.com/id/Add-a-Real-Guide-Button-to-Homebrew-Xbox-360-Arcad/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Add-a-Real-Guide-Button-to-Homebrew-Xbox-360-Arcad/)
I found this guide which basically just wires up the button (but saws the whole control PCB in half) do you see it possible to keep the guide button incorporated at all?

PM me back and I'll promptly put through an order for two controller hacks in the next couple of days.

Thanks!!

Matt Hermans.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: renbry on June 21, 2011, 11:38:56 pm
Hi again HarumaN,

sorry but this forum has some strange rules - i can't even reply to your PM let alone reply to the thread about your hacking services ! !
my email is renbry at hotmail dot com if you want to PM there.

Yes, i am looking to try and use the Guide button in the front of an arcade cabinet, whether i can mount the PCB board close enough to actually get the LED ring of light to have an effective brightness once the button it mounted in a 16mm MDF panel is another question i guess. It sounds like I could still use the guide button at least. Can the controller board be almost flush to the front panel or do the 360 joysticks have to stay attached as shown in your Mad Catz picture ? If I can mount it almost flush then I think i could still make use of the ring of light as shown in that link i posted...i think that would look cool  :)

Well after that question it's just whether you can source two wired controllers as part of the order process or do I need to post you two to be worked on ?

I'm not 100% up on electronics but i read a comment you posted about running an i-pac + 360 controller; do I really need to have a db-25 data switch or can it simply be wired off the microswitches to both i-pac and 360 PCB ? does that work electrically or will it short out or something ?

I could have kept this all in an email, sorry if it's off topic.

Matt.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: kidotaku on July 09, 2011, 02:31:44 pm
hey HarumaN been been reading your tuturials for a while great stuff, figured id drop some controllers on you for my next cabinet if your interested, i currently have 3 mad catz 360 controllers 2007 2010 and  i believe a 2009 ( black cant read the darn back, i just need 2 but not sure which is the new style or old, which ever is easier for you to do. if your interested send me a email  kidotaku2008@gmail.com i look forward to hearing from you :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 11, 2011, 09:33:25 am
Hi again HarumaN,

sorry but this forum has some strange rules - i can't even reply to your PM let alone reply to the thread about your hacking services ! !
my email is renbry at hotmail dot com if you want to PM there.

Yes, i am looking to try and use the Guide button in the front of an arcade cabinet, whether i can mount the PCB board close enough to actually get the LED ring of light to have an effective brightness once the button it mounted in a 16mm MDF panel is another question i guess. It sounds like I could still use the guide button at least. Can the controller board be almost flush to the front panel or do the 360 joysticks have to stay attached as shown in your Mad Catz picture ? If I can mount it almost flush then I think i could still make use of the ring of light as shown in that link i posted...i think that would look cool  :)

Well after that question it's just whether you can source two wired controllers as part of the order process or do I need to post you two to be worked on ?

I'm not 100% up on electronics but i read a comment you posted about running an i-pac + 360 controller; do I really need to have a db-25 data switch or can it simply be wired off the microswitches to both i-pac and 360 PCB ? does that work electrically or will it short out or something ?

I could have kept this all in an email, sorry if it's off topic.

Matt.

I could use the new MadCatz fightpads for you.  They have no analog sticks, so you could mount them almost flush to your panel.  As far as the i-pac thing, I have honestly never tried, so I'm not sure how it works.  Wiring both up together may cause problems.

However, 360 pads also work on the PC, so you could just connect the pads to the PC and use them for your controls.  People here have done that using USB KVM switches...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 11, 2011, 09:44:08 am
hey HarumaN been been reading your tuturials for a while great stuff, figured id drop some controllers on you for my next cabinet if your interested, i currently have 3 mad catz 360 controllers 2007 2010 and  i believe a 2009 ( black cant read the darn back, i just need 2 but not sure which is the new style or old, which ever is easier for you to do. if your interested send me a email  kidotaku2008@gmail.com i look forward to hearing from you :)

email sent
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: kidotaku on July 11, 2011, 08:52:54 pm
HarumaN thanks, i have 3 of the type you mentioned as well, the newer mad catz fighting pad, as well as 3 of the older. ill end up trying my hand at modding the older ones myself soon as i find more diagrams on the pcb and how to do the triggers, as for 2 of the other 3 pads ill send them your way this next weekend perferably you can email or pm me on aim about your price.

i also mention i have a datel fighting stick ( arcade pro) there usable via holding turbo to switch between xbox 360 and PS3, for another cabinet im going to make for a local game shop ill mod those and throw them in for there game turney's, was thinking i would do the same for mine but down wish to own a ps3 heh, i will post pictures of that when i begin work, ill have pictures soon of my custom cabinet, its a bit small but i live in a small apartment, look forward to it and your handywork with the pads
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: kidotaku on July 11, 2011, 09:01:56 pm
Hi again HarumaN,

sorry but this forum has some strange rules - i can't even reply to your PM let alone reply to the thread about your hacking services ! !
my email is renbry at hotmail dot com if you want to PM there.

Yes, i am looking to try and use the Guide button in the front of an arcade cabinet, whether i can mount the PCB board close enough to actually get the LED ring of light to have an effective brightness once the button it mounted in a 16mm MDF panel is another question i guess. It sounds like I could still use the guide button at least. Can the controller board be almost flush to the front panel or do the 360 joysticks have to stay attached as shown in your Mad Catz picture ? If I can mount it almost flush then I think i could still make use of the ring of light as shown in that link i posted...i think that would look cool  :)

Well after that question it's just whether you can source two wired controllers as part of the order process or do I need to post you two to be worked on ?

I'm not 100% up on electronics but i read a comment you posted about running an i-pac + 360 controller; do I really need to have a db-25 data switch or can it simply be wired off the microswitches to both i-pac and 360 PCB ? does that work electrically or will it short out or something ?

I could have kept this all in an email, sorry if it's off topic.

Matt.
the i-pac would conflick with the 360 pcb unless you piggy pack it somehow, i just insalled streetfihter pc version on the pc and the ipac will ONLy do one player with it, you would have to run a second usb controller to it to use the second palyer, wouldnt know how to splice in the pad but it would be better to just run 2 xbox pads then buy a ipac and another pad for that reason, as for the ipac it runs all the hyperspin and mame stuff no problem, but for the newer games i havent test out many but it seems they need 2 seperate controllers to be pluged in to recognize 2 player.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tha_liks on July 25, 2011, 04:17:40 pm
 Hello HaRuMaN i tried to post on your Control Hack Service thread

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=104114.0;prev_next=prev#new (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=104114.0;prev_next=prev#new)

but i can't seem to post on that thread, So ill try here, i'm requesting your services to wire me an Original Xbox controller for my new arcade,  can you please PM me with details as far as Address to mail you my controller and Your Paypal info to pay for the services

thank you in advance

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 25, 2011, 04:26:04 pm
Hello HaRuMaN i tried to post on your Control Hack Service thread

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=104114.0;prev_next=prev#new (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=104114.0;prev_next=prev#new)

but i can't seem to post on that thread, So ill try here, i'm requesting your services to wire me an Original Xbox controller for my new arcade,  can you please PM me with details as far as Address to mail you my controller and Your Paypal info to pay for the services

thank you in advance

PM sent
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: tastysoil on September 07, 2011, 01:08:32 am
edited
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 07, 2011, 10:04:39 am
Hi HaRuMan, please send me a email at: ---, i'd like to buy a hacked XBOX360 controller to hook up to my Egret II arcade cab, but this forum won't let me PM you for some reason.. I have some questions about it, but i'll save them to write you back with. Thanks!!

Email sent.  :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: LimaLive on October 21, 2011, 01:47:48 pm
Hi, i got a old wireless pcb here waiting until i got the tools for the job and i would like to know if i should take off the analogs?

I might ask for some help later, too ^^
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: neilybobz on October 24, 2011, 06:19:15 am
Hi HarumaN,

I'm a newb here and can't seem to send you a PM.

I am interested in getting a hacked Xbox360 controller for my physically disabled son. If you would send me an email at:

ndaener at gmail dot com

to discuss details I would be most appreciative.

Thanks,

Neil
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on October 24, 2011, 09:41:05 am
Hi, i got a old wireless pcb here waiting until i got the tools for the job and i would like to know if i should take off the analogs?

I might ask for some help later, too ^^

No, I wouldn't take off the analogs...  you can snip off the plastic stems for more room if you like.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on October 24, 2011, 09:42:46 am
Hi HarumaN,

I'm a newb here and can't seem to send you a PM.

I am interested in getting a hacked Xbox360 controller for my physically disabled son. If you would send me an email at:

ndaener at gmail dot com

to discuss details I would be most appreciative.

Thanks,

Neil

Email sent
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: LimaLive on October 24, 2011, 05:42:06 pm
Hi again, today i made two holes for the sync and home button on my custom case and got the cooper able to see :) So, i still couldn't buy the needed cable to do the work but i got solder, so thought about advancing work and tried to put some solder on the points. Conclusion: some places were really good but in the meanwhile, the tin just sticked to the flat iron tip... I was always doing mess and getting it out with my unsolder... :( Now i got iron point out and will only work with it when i get a good sharp one because it really pissed me off :@
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sharpfork on January 23, 2012, 01:54:56 pm
Has anyone tried the Deal Extreme model?

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s-wired-game-controller-for-xbox-360-red-240cm-cable-66729 (http://www.dealextreme.com/p/designer-s-wired-game-controller-for-xbox-360-red-240cm-cable-66729)

The controllers they sell for the xBox1 are cheap and super easy to solder but have two grounds:

(http://i.imgur.com/3gzmv.jpg)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on January 23, 2012, 02:00:51 pm
Hey, you linked to the 360 model...

I'm assuming your oval red solder points are the analog click buttons?

I know that the lack of a single common ground would kill this for some of my customers.

PCB quality is also a question.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sharpfork on January 23, 2012, 02:33:55 pm
Hey, you linked to the 360 model...

Sorry, I should have been more clear.  I have hacked the xBox1 version (image) and am wondering if anyone has hacked the 360 version (link).

Since you can still walk into a GameStop and buy a 360 wired gamepad, it isn't as big of a deal.  Getting old xBox1 stuff is a pain.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sharpfork on February 14, 2012, 01:38:57 pm
I've been reading up and found a sort of consensus that the SF fight pads are one of the best wired controllers to hack due to the shoulders being actual buttons.

The price on the WWF (WWE) version just dropped to $19 new at gamestop:

http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/accessories/xbox-360-wwe-all-stars-brawl-pad/89175 (http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/accessories/xbox-360-wwe-all-stars-brawl-pad/89175)

I picked up two yesterday and have a couple more on hold.
Any of you smart folks have thoughts on these controllers?

EDIT: You can't order them online, you can search for availability at local gamestops and put a hold on the from the website.    You might be able to get Amazon to do a price match for folks who don't have a gamestop close.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on February 14, 2012, 01:41:35 pm
That's all I hack for wired nowadays. 

Whatever I can get my hands on pricewise, the SF and WWE pads are identical internally.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Donkbaca on February 14, 2012, 04:36:30 pm
Still having my issues with my SFII pads randomly freaking out upon exiting mame.  Going to plug in some MS pads to see if its an issue with maybe my pads shorting somewhere, or a software issue with my setup...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sharpfork on April 08, 2012, 12:11:27 am
The price on the WWF (WWE) version just dropped to $19 new at gamestop:
http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/accessories/xbox-360-wwe-all-stars-brawl-pad/89175 (http://www.gamestop.com/xbox-360/accessories/xbox-360-wwe-all-stars-brawl-pad/89175)

EDIT: You can't order them online, you can search for availability at local gamestops and put a hold on the from the website.    You might be able to get Amazon to do a price match for folks who don't have a gamestop close.

Now $14.95. :D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: sharpfork on May 08, 2012, 11:58:33 pm
Now $12.99.  I soldered one yesterday and it was pretty easy as far as padhacks go.  It was almost as easy as a DDR pad.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: holaplaneta on August 21, 2012, 02:37:24 am
Haruman I would like a quote for you but I cannot msg you directly. What do you recommend me to do?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 21, 2012, 09:29:30 am
Haruman I would like a quote for you but I cannot msg you directly. What do you recommend me to do?
Thanks!

Send me an email.  I sent you a PM with my address.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 09, 2013, 10:52:32 pm
hi everybody

i'm new to this forum and i have questions regarding soldering a wireless xbox 360 controller.
i have the following model:

http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram5.jpg (http://slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_diagrams/360_diagram5.jpg)

i have tools, i can solder, cut, trim....but i'm terrible with electronic diagrams.

in the link i postet above is a diagram that shows signal and common points.
do i have to solder a wire to each and every "common" point?

if yes, i would have 5-7 common wires. can i just connect them all together to
one wire and go from that to the terminal strip? it would look like a tree.
or do i have to daisy chain all common points?

slagcoin shows also the two points LT and RT. But after reading through this Topic i'm not sure
that i can just solder them and use them as normal buttons without the 10k resistors.
is that right?

in the center of the controller is a 3.3v and "ground" point. these are only needed if i intend to
attach a external battery pack. is that right?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 11, 2013, 07:22:24 am
No one? Is there nobody that can bump me to the right direction?

I wired yesterday a couple of wires (see picture).
All i need to know is what to do with the common wires?
And do i need to solder the ground point in the middle next to the 3.3V point.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/dsc0009thi.jpg/ (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/203/dsc0009thi.jpg/)

Anyone? Please? HaRuMaN??

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 11, 2013, 09:42:05 am
You sure you have that model?

If so, I would ignore the commons on that controller.  Just solder two wires for each button and d-pad direction, it'll be easier.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 11, 2013, 10:08:01 am
HaRuMaN! Finally, salvation is at hand. :notworthy:

yup, i'm pretty sure TP3 and L7 is written on it.
as you can see i put glue on it already.  :-\
i was thinking X, Y and B share a common ground, right? so if i daisy chain X, Y and B arcade buttons and connect then the common wire from the PCB
with the daisy chain wire from the arcade stick (X,Y,B) then it should work right?
so instead of [signal, ground] - [signal, ground] - [signal, ground] i can just use [signal, signal, signal, ground] is this theory wrong?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 11, 2013, 10:09:19 am
HaRuMaN! Finally, salvation is at hand. :notworthy:

yup, i'm pretty sure TP3 and L7 is written on it.
as you can see i put glue on it already.  :-\
i was thinking X, Y and B share a common ground, right? so if i daisy chain X, Y and B arcade buttons and connect then the common wire from the PCB
with the daisy chain wire from the arcade stick (X,Y,B) then it should work right? or i'm i completely off?
so instead of [signal, ground] - [signal, ground] - [signal, ground] i can just use [signal, signal, signal, ground] is this theory wrong?

No, that will work.  I just find that all the multiple grounds on that controller get confusing, but if you are careful and consistent, it will work.

You making a wireless stick?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 11, 2013, 10:14:00 am
well, i'm trying to.
everybody is buying custom pcb's these days like aki-shops one.
since i live in japan i could easy get one but where is the fun in that, right?
i had 2 spare wireless controller laying around and i used to do some soldering in the past so i had the tools
around, so i thought why not build one. i'll probably sacrifice one of my Dreamcast HKT-7300 stick to build this
or maybe just a shoe box.  ;D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 11, 2013, 10:15:22 am
i live in japan

Jealous...
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 11, 2013, 10:18:52 am
i live in japan

Jealous...

....don't be. it's not that great here. but it sure has it's advantage if you are in to arcade stuff. sanwa, seimitsu, akihabarashop etc.....
all these stuff are easy to get but sometimes i'd love to be in the U.S. where you can just get simple stuff like a euro terminal strip or go to radio shack
and get transistors or 10k resistor. you can't imagine how difficult it is to get this stuff here. our home centers here have nothing.

well, thanks again for your help. really appreciated.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 11, 2013, 10:31:40 am
i live in japan

Jealous...

....don't be. it's not that great here. but it sure has it's advantage if you are in to arcade stuff. sanwa, seimitsu, akihabarashop etc.....
all these stuff are easy to get but sometimes i'd love to be in the U.S. where you can just get simple stuff like a euro terminal strip or go to radio shack
and get transistors or 10k resistor. you can't imagine how difficult it is to get this stuff here. our home centers here have nothing.

well, thanks again for your help. really appreciated.  :cheers:

No problem.

Lol.  I'll trade you terminal strips, transistors, and 10K resistors for some sanwa, seimitsu, and akihabara town stuff...   ;D
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 11, 2013, 10:35:17 am
i'm not living in tokyo but we have something similar like akihabara here.
i might take you up on that.  ;D
my friend was here just two days ago and i told him if he gets back he should send me a box full of that stuff. i'm soooo looking forward to the terminal strips. i really miss them. (sounds kinda wierd)

one last thing before i forget it.
the LT and RT points showing on slagcoins diagram can't be hacked without the 10k resistor right?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 11, 2013, 10:38:22 am
i'm not living in tokyo but we have something similar like akihabara here.
i might take you up on that.  ;D
my friend was here just two days ago and i told him if he gets back he should send me a box full of that stuff. i'm soooo looking forward to the terminal strips. i really miss them. (sounds kinda wierd)

one last thing before i forget it.
the LT and RT points showing on slagcoins diagram can't be hacked without the 10k resistor right?

No, they can, as long as you leave the triggers on, and in their normal neutral (unpulled) position.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 12, 2013, 05:22:33 am
that's great. i took away the trigger and the spring behind it but the arm and the rest is still in place.
but i think i will not need them for street fighter 4.
ありがとうございました。 (Thank you in japanese)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 12, 2013, 09:38:42 am
that's great. i took away the trigger and the spring behind it but the arm and the rest is still in place.
but i think i will not need them for street fighter 4.
ありがとうございました。 (Thank you in japanese)

どういたしまして!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 12, 2013, 10:20:35 am
どういたしまして!

 :o now i'm surprised
how come you know japanese?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 12, 2013, 10:22:42 am
どういたしまして!

 :o now i'm surprised
how come you now japanese?

Heh, I don't, not really, other than a few words and phrases.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 15, 2013, 11:11:10 am
just wanted to give an update.
today i connected the wires (just temporary) to the buttons and stick and testet its function with SF4. the wiring was a real pain in the ass.  :dizzy:
i should have wired the controller as you told me, each one signal with one ground.
i sacrificed one of my hkt-7300. I thought it might be better then just a simple shoe box. ;D
here is a picture. (sorry, pic is a bit blurry)

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5766/dsc0018il.jpg (http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/5766/dsc0018il.jpg)

tomorrow i will trim the controller cover that holds the pcb so it can fit inside the stick and i still need to open two holes for the guide and back buttons.
people say that a wireless stick is a bit laggy and doesn't react so fast like a wired controller/stick. to be honest i couldn't feel any difference.
i could perform all moves smooth and fast, no lag what so ever.

Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on March 15, 2013, 11:17:53 am
Heh, I get a headache looking at all those wires.   ;D

I can't speak about lag, but I like to hack the wired MadCatz Fight Pads simply because they have a full common ground and the triggers are already digital, makes life so much easier.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 15, 2013, 11:24:09 am
 ;D i know it looks messy and it was hard to keep some overview but it somehow worked out.
but i wouldn't wanna do it again.
once the pcb is in place i can start to cut the wires shorter and tight them together.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Tsimi on March 17, 2013, 04:17:44 am
The Stick is "almost" finished!
The wires inside look still chaotic and i keep it like this until i receive the euro terminal strips.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2701/dsc0019km.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2701/dsc0019km.jpg)

She is by far no beauty but everything works and i could finally play SF4.
Also added an external AA Pack for easy access.

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1438/dsc0021kw.jpg (http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1438/dsc0021kw.jpg)

Added 2 buttons for "Guide" and "Back".
Buttons are no brand stuff which i had spare from a previous work.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6295/dsc0020ug.jpg (http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/6295/dsc0020ug.jpg)

Like i said no beauty but its enough for me.
Next, if my wallet allows it, i'll change the Stick and Buttons. I'll go for Sanwa i think since i already have an LS-32-1 i would like to try out Sanwa.
Front buttons should be white i guess. Don't know about the rest yet.

UPDATE

Here the result with terminal strips.

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7207/dsc0032wj.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/7207/dsc0032wj.jpg)





Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: 66slipknot66 on June 17, 2013, 01:45:48 am
HI guys.
This is my first time building an arcade stick with a 360 wireless pad.
Everything is working like a charm, but i'm having problems soldering the LT and RT.
I've removed the whole plastic including the potenciometer and then i tried to soldering a resistor just like the tutorials i've saw on the internet but i don't know what i'm doing wrong.
Look at the pic.
Is that right?
Any help will be really appreciated.
(http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6232/fm5c.jpg)
PS: Sorry about my english. I've tried to write the best as i could.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Samion Blanc on July 04, 2013, 07:39:11 am
Are you still making these controllers HaRuMaN? i just made an account to send this message.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 04, 2013, 11:47:42 am
Are you still making these controllers HaRuMaN? i just made an account to send this message.

Yes I am.  Sending you a PM.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Project echo on July 15, 2013, 12:41:04 pm
Are you still making hacked 360 controllers haruman? I have a golden tee cab I converted into a 360 arcade but my soldering skills are shoddy and only managed to hack one controller but it keeps coming loose. Really could do with 2 hacked controllers if you could help me out? I live in scotland so if you could pm me some prices that would be wicked.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Project echo on July 15, 2013, 12:44:43 pm
How NOT to hack a pad.........
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Project echo on July 15, 2013, 12:55:42 pm
Kinect sits behind the plastic up top and works perfectly with both audio and visual.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 15, 2013, 01:05:27 pm
Are you still making hacked 360 controllers haruman? I have a golden tee cab I converted into a 360 arcade but my soldering skills are shoddy and only managed to hack one controller but it keeps coming loose. Really could do with 2 hacked controllers if you could help me out? I live in scotland so if you could pm me some prices that would be wicked.

PM sent!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Project echo on July 15, 2013, 01:08:04 pm
I've been pretty detailed with the labelling of what I call my "beta blocks" at least, I've wrecked 2 controllers in the process however :laugh2:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: Beaps on November 18, 2013, 01:33:11 pm
Just trying to do a Pad hack using an original wired controller.

I have a question....

- What are the commons used for on Slagcoin (the ones highlighted on Back button & A button)

Thanks
B
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: wessagussett on February 09, 2014, 06:36:32 pm
HaRuMaN, please let me know if you still do the wired xbox 360 hacks, Thanks!
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on February 10, 2014, 08:09:06 am
HaRuMaN, please let me know if you still do the wired xbox 360 hacks, Thanks!

Still do, send me a PM
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: wessagussett on February 10, 2014, 10:34:18 pm
HaRuMaN, please let me know if you still do the wired xbox 360 hacks, Thanks!

Still do, send me a PM

Thanks, I got your email today and responded to your gmail account. (Dan P, controller for my disabled brother) :)
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: gcb on September 14, 2014, 06:01:27 pm
HaRuMaN, thank you very much for the best tutorial on doing that mod!

i'm doing an 8 button one with wireless. If all goes well, i plan to release the SCAD files for a cool 3d printed case that even has a battery bay :)

but meanwhile, i'm thinking of something more practical than the wire terminal rail... i mean, it is easy to use, but painful if you want to disconnect everything on and off (and i do plan to switch the brains with a wii or even a next gen controller later on)

the ideal solution would be something like a 20+pin with 2+ position rotary wheel, but since i'm sure i won't find that, i'm thinking of using a male/female header

my first option is a harddrive ATA cable. it will look neat but sourcing the female side is a pain.

my 2nd option is a bunch of jumper cables male/female cables attached with tape to make a big block.... since they are square they form into a block pretty easy with some tape. i did that a while ago for a easy connector for a JTAG header. but that was 6 pins only...

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 anyone ever done something similar? is there a better choice of connector?


PS: what sick mind coded the captcha on this site?!?!?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: rmwilson on November 23, 2014, 10:13:03 pm
Okay ... well here goes>>>>

I just bought a MANXT tt bike arcade machine... and my dream/ goal is to hack an xbox and xbox controller into it .. so I can play a more modern motorcycle game. Quite frankly - I don't even know where to start... the idea is to use a new LCD so that solves the monitor issue and the xbox can plug right into that ...

The thinking is that Moto GP is a game made for xbox and I would use the bike to control left and right and the throttle and brake (wire it / some how hook them into the xbox controller... ) as far as i know ( based on what i was told) they use 5k pots on the sega arcade machine...

Any thoughts how's I' start engineering this?

Can I still buy a pre modded xbox 360 controler and just seeing if i can wire it into the bike?????????




Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: chinapaulo on February 27, 2017, 04:52:20 pm
Resurrecting this thread to share my experience, having started down the path of modding an official Microsoft 360 controller over a week ago, using various online tutorials.

I'm completely new to soldering, and wow -- what a first project to choose.  Soldering wires to the official MS controller was a huge headache, especially given the D-Pad's tiny contacts.  I destroyed the first controller I tried to hack, but I kept it around for testing/practice.

It wasn't until I had successfully finished one MS controller that I came across this thread where Haruman and others eventually discuss using the Mad Catz Fight Pad (or BrawlPad) instead.  I can confirm that this is the way to go.  It's probably an order of magnitude easier than the MS controllers: I picked up two of the brawl pads from Amazon because they offered same-day delivery, and it only took me a couple of hours to wire up *both* of them.  I couldn't find an exact diagram for the PCB, but the layout similar to the regular mad catz controllers in most respects.  As discussed here, the benefits include: No analog controls; the contacts were exposed and labeled; no dealing with potentiometers or resistors or scraping off any rubber junk.

The brawl pad (and I'm assuming the fight pad, too) has a feature where you can hold down the 'back' button and the d-pad will temporarily emulate the right joystick, which is apparently necessary to select your opponent in a particular WWE game, but I imagine it might be useful in some other circumstances.  I haven't hooked it up to the full array of physical buttons or joystick yet, but finding the note about these particular gamepads really made my weekend a lot easier.  Cheers.

Now it's onto picking up one of Haruman's widescreen bartops to actually hook up and use these things.
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on February 28, 2017, 09:40:13 am
Nice work!  The fight is the same PCB basically, just a couple of the buttons are in different places.  Just as easy to hack.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: chinapaulo on March 03, 2017, 02:53:52 pm
Yeah Haruman, you're right that the Fight and Brawl Pads have different positions for RT/RB/LT/LB, which is actually kinda strange.  Naturally, for purposes of this thread it doesn't matter, since we can arrange our buttons however we want.

Speaking of arranging buttons, I'm trying to decide how I should arrange the 8 buttons for my 360 cabinet.  I've seen at least 4 different 8-button layouts for 360 controls, but only two layouts are common:

Layout #1:
B  X  Y LB
A LT RT RB


Examples: Mad Catz Arcade FightStick TE, Street Fighter x Sanrio Arcade FightStick PRO, Razer Atrox Arcade Stick
This layout seems the most common, and it is also consistent with most of the 6-button layouts I've seen.

Layout #2:
X  Y  RB LB
A  B  RT LT


Examples: Madcatz Official Super Street Fighter IV TE Fight Stick, HORI Real Arcade Pro.V Kai Fighting Stick
This layout seems a little less common, but it keeps the four color buttons in the original positions.
(Note: The Mad Catz FightPad uses the leftmost 6 buttons of this layout)

What layout do you folks use for your custom sticks?

For emulators and most AAA fighting games (SF4, Tekken 6, etc.) the button mapping is completely configurable, so for those games it doesn't matter which layout I choose.  Some games offer semi-configurable button mapping where you can't map buttons individually but you can choose between two or three pre-defined mapping sets.  In those cases I've noticed that Layout #1 (or its 6-button equivalent) is usually one of the available options.  However, layout #2 is theoretically more consistent with the rest of the 360 library since the four regular buttons (A, B, X, Y) keep the same relative positions as the standard controller.

In my case I'm going to identify the handful of games that I care about that don't have fully-configurable button mapping and determine how playable they would be in the different layouts, but I'm curious to know what the layout hackers/modders here have chosen.


[Edit1] Looks like Project echo uses this for 6-button layout (plus start and select as the right-most buttons), which is different from either of the ones I'm considering:

X  Y  RB
A  B  LB


Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: fablog on March 19, 2018, 11:11:31 am
chinapaulo thanks for the feedback. Do you think the Fight stick could be good to hack like the Fight pad?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: jdestroyer97 on December 07, 2018, 01:44:48 pm
So I know this is a super old topic but I have a few questions and I would like to email someone about it since not a lot of info is out on this topic but I'm trying to use a sanwa JLF arcade joystick but it uses a wiring harness so will the pad hack still work?
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: jdestroyer97 on December 07, 2018, 01:51:18 pm
I also would like to know if you're still around I would to have one done as well if you still do them
Title: Re: Xbox 360 Controller Hack Tutorial -- Wireless Hack Now Available!!!
Post by: HaRuMaN on December 07, 2018, 04:49:10 pm
I also would like to know if you're still around I would to have one done as well if you still do them

I am still around.   :cheers: