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Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 25, 2018, 05:07:32 pm
https://www.arcade1up.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIydX2lb-43AIVAxgMCh1RAQ0YEAAYASAAEgKejPD_BwE (https://www.arcade1up.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIydX2lb-43AIVAxgMCh1RAQ0YEAAYASAAEgKejPD_BwE)

3/4 sized $499 DIY kits isn't bad. You could easily rip out the guts and replace the controls and brains with better parts. I like that it comes with a 4:3 LCD monitor, but no details on the type of panel so lag might be an issue.

Still, this is probably the better of those Walmart specials I've seen hit the market. Especially with the price being a bit more manageable.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Lilwolf on July 26, 2018, 10:25:40 am
$300 if you preorder it from walmart

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Centipede-Arcade/617089098?u1=7f21f51c90d711e88d3dc24b30196ae70INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=39826015151048576010&affillinktype=10&veh=aff (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Centipede-Arcade/617089098?u1=7f21f51c90d711e88d3dc24b30196ae70INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=39826015151048576010&affillinktype=10&veh=aff)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Rampage-Arcade/114274755?u1=6e73e4c890d711e899b97aabb1c97e420INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=12532857972932913568&affillinktype=10&veh=aff (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Rampage-Arcade/114274755?u1=6e73e4c890d711e899b97aabb1c97e420INT&oid=223073.1&wmlspartner=lw9MynSeamY&sourceid=12532857972932913568&affillinktype=10&veh=aff)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Galaga-Arcade/595505982 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Galaga-Arcade/595505982)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Asteroids-Arcade/828150107 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Asteroids-Arcade/828150107)

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Street-Fighter-2-Arcade-1up/994342377 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Street-Fighter-2-Arcade-1up/994342377)

So the question is... how is the build and how easy will it be to mod it!

But I love the 3/4 size!  I think I might pick up one!



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2018, 10:42:22 am
Why not just scratch build a 3/4 size cabinet? You can make it how you like.

I do like that they didn't use the stupid slim form factor. These look like they won't fall on top of you when you lean on them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 10:44:36 am
Wallet's twitching here.  Impossible to build these things for $300.  The Slick Deals thread is humorous if you want to watch idiots argue about how this is a rip off. 

"All I had to do was buy a cabinet off Craig's List, haul it home, strip it, sand the whole thing, repaint it, add a monitor, PC, and then configure all the software.  Way better than this.  0/10 would not buy." 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2018, 10:55:17 am
Yeah. If you are not going to mod it. You can't beat that price.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 11:09:03 am
I ordered two from Walmart.... I figure how hard it is to find Cabaret cabs, this is a steal for $299.00 and free shipping. Plus it will help me save a bit of room in my Basement. I like the construction, I like the look, and I really don't mind LCD's for vector games.

Ordered the Asteroids and the Centipede.

Tempest and Major Havok are what sold me.
And I always wanted a cabaret Centipede.

Pretty jazzed.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2018, 11:18:15 am
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I really don't mind LCD's for vector games
:'(
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 11:25:35 am
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I really don't mind LCD's for vector games
:'(

lol

I am CRT purest for Pixels and Sprites all day long Mike! These will be my first LCD monitors in my basement bar (plus I have ulterior motives once I get my Universal/Mame 3.0 cab issues ironed out) 

on a side note, these things only being 4 feet tall... how the hell are you going to get three of your buddies to play Rampage? Or even another buddy to play Street Fighter? That is the only reason I would say this is a bad idea. But the other two are pretty sweet looking.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2018, 11:28:56 am
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I always wanted a cabaret Centipede

I have a  repro Dig Dug cabaret control panel. I also have 2 repro blank CPs that can be used for Centipede.

classicarcadecabinets.com has the cut files for the centipede cabaret.

We could make that happen. I plan on building a couple cabarets once summer winds down.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 11:41:57 am
I was a little disappointed they didn't remake that weird sideways spinner thing for Major Havoc.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 11:45:31 am
I was a little disappointed they didn't remake that weird sideways spinner thing for Major Havoc.

Me too... If I ever find one I may be able to add it to this thing.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2018, 12:00:55 pm
That Major Havoc spinner doesn't look too complex. Has someone tried to build something similar? A full on reproduction has its difficulties, but just making something similar doesn't seem like it should be that difficult for all of you 3d printer guys.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 12:08:25 pm
The primary issue is that Major Havoc sucks.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 12:09:01 pm
That Major Havoc spinner doesn't look too complex. Has someone tried to build something similar? A full on reproduction has its difficulties, but just making something similar doesn't seem like it should be that difficult for all of you 3d printer guys.

No, I would agree it couldn't be all that bad to replicate.... but as far as I know Major Havoc is the only game that had it. So it probably doesn't make a ton of sense to actually build it custom when a spinner does the same thing.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 12:11:01 pm
The primary issue is that Major Havoc sucks.

I like it... its cross between Berzerk and Tempest. But I also like Space Raider, so maybe I just have crap taste in space shooters. lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: ivwshane on July 26, 2018, 02:09:20 pm
I just saw these and damn! For $300 that's quite the deal.

Do we have any specs on them? We know its a 4:3 monitor but what size? What is the system specs? A pi? Intel PC stick? What are the dimensions? The street fighter cab looks like two players might be a little tight.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2018, 02:19:24 pm
I just saw these and damn! For $300 that's quite the deal.

Do we have any specs on them? We know its a 4:3 monitor but what size? What is the system specs? A pi? Intel PC stick? What are the dimensions? The street fighter cab looks like two players might be a little tight.
I believe the site says it's a 17" LCD monitor. I'd be interested in knowing what kind of panel it is, if it's prone to display lag or slow pixel-rates.
The dimensions are also on the site, or within their assembly video.

As for the brains, it looks like they're sitting inside the CP. They haven't shown any pictures under-the-hood, but I would guess it's a cheap chinese-made emu board, similar to the Arcade Legends cabinets, running some antiquated version of Mame.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 26, 2018, 02:34:35 pm
Enh... these aren’t true cabarets... you don’t need a chair to sit in one.

It’s a commercial product, not someone’s project, so I don’t mind saying I think they look like ass. But y’all enjoy.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2018, 02:43:09 pm
Enh... these aren’t true cabarets... you don’t need a chair to sit in one.

The MVS-2 Mini begs to differ ;) :

(http://www.pinballzone.com/forums/NeoGeoMini.jpg)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 26, 2018, 02:52:55 pm
Never seen one of those in real life. Oh wait, I have, at a repair party. Enh, says I, Enh!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2018, 03:00:56 pm
Seems to be pretty cheap pressed board with a few screws and wood dowels holding it together so  will be hard to keep it from wobbling and falling apart. - If I were assembling I'd probably glue the thing together as well  :dunno

For $300 shipped it's not too bad but they most likely are using a single custom PCB and who knows what emulation as well as cheap buttons/trackball/spinner so doubt they'll age well and will probably wind up being sold off cheap after they don't sell well in store like the last attempt at home arcade machine production by  Big Electronic Games ( At least they are using a 17" lcd instead of the 14" one the last attempt used. )

(http://www.toonzjukebox.com/forsale/biggames/konamiplay.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 26, 2018, 03:28:57 pm
I am going to bite on at least one - with the intention to raspberry pi mod it.  I am sure that a pi hack cable will be available pronto. 

They are also selling a stand for it to raise it to normal arcade height - but you could build your own for cheap of course.  The price is just too good considering its ready to go with an art package and all.  Full size flat back arcade kits with shipping are more expensive than this.  And they require buttons, art, computer/pi.

I was actually considering building a few cabaret machines from scratch, but screw that for now.  So I'm in for at least one to give it a try at modding it if nothing else...I like the centipede and asteroids for the spinner and track ball.  But the street fighter one would probably best for a pi hack as you get two 8 way joysticks and 6 buttons per player....so I might go with that one for my mod experiment :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 26, 2018, 03:30:47 pm
Never seen one of those in real life. Oh wait, I have, at a repair party. Enh, says I, Enh!
Last time I saw one in the wild was at the Disneyland arcade, near Magic Mountain.  It might still be there, dunno, it's been a few years.  They're really cute cabinets, but not very practical to play on. But I do agree with you, if you're going with a cabaret it shouldn't require a chair.  The whole point of a cabaret is to reduce the square-footage footprint it takes up, having to use a chair defeats that purpose.  Cabarets were mainly placed in Hotel lobbies, waiting rooms, diners etc.  Places where people congregate, but are limited in space. I have my Robotron cabaret tucked snug into a corner in our 900 sqft apartment. It's takes very little room, and doesn't annoy the wife for being too big or too much of an eyesore.


Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 26, 2018, 03:34:53 pm
Here is the stand that they will be selling - easy to make your own of course....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 04:26:02 pm
Looks pretty sturdy in the assembly video to me.  Looking forward to seeing some reviews....

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2018, 05:22:56 pm
Looks pretty sturdy in the assembly video to me.  Looking forward to seeing some reviews....

Looks more like a 3d render used for assembly than an actual unit ( notice the panels don't bend down when assembling to the sides ) - Have a feeling in real life they would snap or at least bend downward if not held up due to gravity - so looks like they made a 3d model and animated the assembly process and not used actual real life parts because gravity would make those panels fall toward the ground if it was actually a real unit being assembled. (doubt you'll be able to actually assemble it like shown in step 4 without placing blocks under the parts to hold them up before installing the second side ! )
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 26, 2018, 05:35:19 pm
Enh... these aren’t true cabarets... you don’t need a chair to sit in one.

It’s a commercial product, not someone’s project, so I don’t mind saying I think they look like ass. But y’all enjoy.

That's fair... I know they are not true Cabarets Yots, I guess my point was that Cabarets are hard to find, and this is a nicer alternative for my situation (limited space). I dig the look of them, and from what I saw on youtube, everyone was very impressed with the build and the parts are said to be high quality. So who knows. When I get mine I will do a review for you guys and let you know. I am sure with in a week they will be hacked and they will have a 1000 games on them.


Here is one video up close in action.... buttons seem to me to be as good as any Happs buttons.

https://youtu.be/S7XlI1iQOso?t=1m23s (https://youtu.be/S7XlI1iQOso?t=1m23s)


Another video... not as great, but again it passes the eye test. I think these are pretty solid units.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3Q9kELr_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3Q9kELr_g)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 26, 2018, 05:43:43 pm
Let us know your thoughts, Ian! :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on July 26, 2018, 07:17:18 pm
Here is the stand that they will be selling - easy to make your own of course....

Looks perfect for a Pi.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on July 26, 2018, 08:16:15 pm
They are pretty small. I still almost want to pull the trigger on the SF cab to make it a miniMAME
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: slickam on July 26, 2018, 08:30:21 pm
I'm tempted by the Asteroids one. Lunar Lander was the first arcade game I ever played (the science museum near me had one set to free play). It doesn't seem right without the throttle handle though.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 08:47:24 pm
Judging from those youtube videos, the game lists were better when these were prototypes. 

SF1 / SF2 / SF3

Final Fight / SF2 / Strider / Ghouls n Ghosts   <- I'd probably pull the trigger on this one  ("strido" lol damn youtuber)

Though it makes me hopeful they can be easily modded.





Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 26, 2018, 09:14:41 pm
I was amazed that these don't look completely terrible.  Decent controls, good layout, decent monitor.  I think we may have gotten to the stage to where (gasp) commercially made emulation cabs don't totally suck. 

I'm not real fond of that 17 inch monitor or the cabaret height, but the art is really nice and pbj is right, it'd be hard to scratch build for that price.  Super tempted to pull the trigger on that centipede. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 09:21:42 pm
 DO IT
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2018, 09:32:37 pm
I wonder if Walmart is going to wind up cancelling all of their pre-orders when the time comes and say they posted the wrong price ( wouldn't be the first time they cancelled a batch of pre-orders (ie. the NES classic when they sold too many ! ) - If the $299 winds up being the actual sales price then it seems a decent deal but find it hard to believe Walmart would be $100 cheaper than direct from 1UP !!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: paigeoliver on July 26, 2018, 10:58:47 pm
None of these games have cabaret height. Cabaret games have the control panel at the same place that normal games do, they just cut off all the stuff above the monitor to make them smaller. These games just chopped the bottom of the cabinet off to save $8 in production cost while completely killing anything that would ever make them feel like an arcade game.

The manufacturers don't care if these games work right, if they did then they would possibly have a 3 player game with a 19" wide panel, that requires every player to sit in a chair.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 26, 2018, 11:29:03 pm
According to their twitter, Walmart isn’t a price mistake and the riser will be $40....

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 26, 2018, 11:38:09 pm
Walmart probably pre-purchased the cabs in bulk to get a discount that they could pass along to us.  I'm thinking the small size is purposeful.... probably requires them to use one less sheet of mdf or it dramatically reduces the artwork cost or something, which would be more than $8.  Yeah the rampage one is cramped, but it uses real controls, the cp layout is correct and the art on the cpo is correct.  Let's not complain too much when things are improving compared to multi-cades in the past.  I mean they aren't perfect but seeing as how none of us built them how could they be?  ;)


Personally I'd build a riser myself as they are generic and don't reflect the art of some of the cabs.  We could probably make one that doesn't like the thing is sitting on a glorified milk crate as well. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 26, 2018, 11:57:47 pm
Walmart probably pre-purchased the cabs in bulk to get a discount that they could pass along to us.  I'm thinking the small size is purposeful.... probably requires them to use one less sheet of mdf or it dramatically reduces the artwork cost or something, which would be more than $8.  Yeah the rampage one is cramped, but it uses real controls, the cp layout is correct and the art on the cpo is correct.  Let's not complain too much when things are improving compared to multi-cades in the past.  I mean they aren't perfect but seeing as how none of us built them how could they be?  ;)


Personally I'd build a riser myself as they are generic and don't reflect the art of some of the cabs.  We could probably make one that doesn't like the thing is sitting on a glorified milk crate as well.

THat and probably makes them cheaper to ship since they only weigh around 60 Lbs. so don't have to be shipped by Freight ! ( though not sure if they are MDF or a cheaper pressed board since MDF would weigh more than 60 lbs. even for that small of a cab ! )

Also looks like they are probably being imported rather than built here since the Mom and Pop distribution says to contact - Master Toys and Novelties, Inc which is an importer based in Los Angeles
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2018, 02:54:45 am
I watched the assembly video and it was very enlightening.  There are several exposed screws throughout the machine.... most notably on the sides of the cab and the top of the cp. I don't seem to see those in any of the promotional shots.  It also looks like the brains of the thing are attached to the lcd because that's the only way having the power plug only into the lcd and having a ribbon cable with so many wires going to the cp makes any sense.  The marquee is a solid piece of wood, so there's no hope of lighting it up. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2018, 07:18:01 am
I watched the assembly video and it was very enlightening.  There are several exposed screws throughout the machine.... most notably on the sides of the cab and the top of the cp. I don't seem to see those in any of the promotional shots.  It also looks like the brains of the thing are attached to the lcd because that's the only way having the power plug only into the lcd and having a ribbon cable with so many wires going to the cp makes any sense.  The marquee is a solid piece of wood, so there's no hope of lighting it up.

Yeah it's hard to know exactly what the final product is going to look like -  the way they made the assembly video using a 3d model that defies gravity instead of an actual assembly video and all of the promo videos show more of a mock up system someone built rather than actual production models with no screw holes showing and none of them show what is actually inside the Control panel - so hard to tell if the cable from the LCD panel is connecting to a driver board inside the CP or is it a propeitary connector that will only work with that specific panel  ( making modding it for a pi or PC mean swapping out the monitor as well - though I guess a 17" LCD can be had for very little cost so replacing it isn't really much of a problem )

So kind of hard to really tell what it is going to be until we start seeing some real reviews after release that provide more details on the actual construction materials used - Also seems to be the first product this company is releasing so no real track record to go by and it seems they are just importing the systems from a supplier since their FAQ's say to contact another import company that deals mostly with importing cheap Chinese goods to inquire about being a small distributor (ie. mom and pop stores that want to sell them)

So this might just be a new division of some importer that has arranged to have these made in a Chinese factory - so who knows what quality control etc. will be like ( or if they are actually licensed to sell these by ATARI/Capcom/etc. or are just another 60 in 1 type vendor similar to the cocktail cab that Sams club was advertising for Xmas a few years back that wound up getting shut down just before release because it hadn't been officially licensed and Namco found out it was being imported ! ) - or if they will say those promo videos were for promotional looks only and that the final product specs were subject to change and they wind up with some cheap Chinese knock off controls in the released product that are completely different than those shown !

Hoping that the final product actually looks like the promo videos show but kind of skeptical at this point.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on July 27, 2018, 11:15:51 am
Also looks like they are probably being imported rather than built here since the Mom and Pop distribution says to contact - Master Toys and Novelties, Inc which is an importer based in Los Angeles

Well I wouldn't expect something this cheap to not be imported Chicom crap.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2018, 11:26:17 am
Also looks like they are probably being imported rather than built here since the Mom and Pop distribution says to contact - Master Toys and Novelties, Inc which is an importer based in Los Angeles

Well I wouldn't expect something this cheap to not be imported Chicom crap.

Yes but the promo videos show well built systems with decent quality parts made from what appears to be 1/2" MDF - but will the actual product run look the same or will it be a cheaper/lower quality build with cheap knock off buttons/joysticks is the question - Since the assembly video shows screws used to hold the thing together with the holes drilled from the outside - yet the promo machines have no visible screws showing at all and the specs say the shipping weight is only 63 lbs. which would rule out it being built from 1/2" MDF which would weigh more than that before including the weight of the other parts !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 27, 2018, 11:37:27 am
None of these games have cabaret height. Cabaret games have the control panel at the same place that normal games do, they just cut off all the stuff above the monitor to make them smaller. These games just chopped the bottom of the cabinet off to save $8 in production cost while completely killing anything that would ever make them feel like an arcade game.

The manufacturers don't care if these games work right, if they did then they would possibly have a 3 player game with a 19" wide panel, that requires every player to sit in a chair.

I want to have Paige Oliver’s babies one day.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2018, 01:14:52 pm
You should look at the Rerez take.... so many general knowledge errors that your head will explode. 

https://youtu.be/uMwqtr-85kM (https://youtu.be/uMwqtr-85kM)



Actually the assembly video makes me worry about the quality.  The only reason to screw directly through the panels would be that they used such poor quality chip board that using angle brackets or something similar (in which you wouldn't screw all the way through) wouldn't hold it.  All the good things I said about the artwork are cancelled out if we have to put those stupid little ikea stickers over a bunch of holes, or even worse, thy don't even include those stickers.  Also worth noting is the fact that the back isn't painted in the assembly video.  Not a big deal for some people but it is for me. 

I would think the licensing is legit since there are only 3-4 games in a cab, which is quite low.  If they didn't care about doing it properly they'd put at least 60-80 games in there to add to the value.

For me at least, I think this is one of those deals where I would have to see it released before I would even attempt a buy.  I want to know the finished look, the build quality, how easy it is to hack, ect. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 27, 2018, 01:36:13 pm
I've got a sectional from Ikea assembled pretty much the same way and I swear to god it's handled 2,000lbs of mastodonic Texan at once without flinching. 

Vamos a ver

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2018, 02:15:10 pm
 Good news for those that pre-ordered from Gamestop - guess decided they wouldn't be selling many at $100 more than Walmart so just decided to drop their pricing to match Walmart now and if you already placed an order there they have the low price matching that means you get the lower price even if you ordered at the higher pricing !!   :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 27, 2018, 03:52:28 pm
If everyone drops down to $299, Bed Bath and Beyond is going to be winner here.  All your wife had to do was buy some hand towels there 20 years ago and they'll spam you with coupons for the rest of your life.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2018, 04:04:30 pm
Too bad Kmart isn't selling them.  They'd probably give you $200 back in points.  Mind you you'd get it in $20 increments spread out over a few years, but still.  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on July 27, 2018, 04:14:35 pm
I don't get how one would play these standing up unless you're a little kid.  Wouldn't you have to be in a chair?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 27, 2018, 04:30:09 pm
I don't get how one would play these standing up unless you're a little kid.  Wouldn't you have to be in a chair?

That or buy the $40 (IIRC) extra platform that raises the Control panel to normal arcade height ( nice part about that is it will make repairing water damage much easier than on real arcade cabs !! ) --

(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/b41041_00ebe9f4159143839d957a7764580c0e~mv2.png/v1/fill/w_368,h_253,al_c/b41041_00ebe9f4159143839d957a7764580c0e~mv2.png)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on July 27, 2018, 04:39:53 pm
$40 for an accessory in order for the damn things to be usable to begin with? I'd rather just set one on milk crates or better yet just use a legit cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 27, 2018, 05:40:56 pm
Dudes - Walmart has an exclusive Galaga/Galaxian version.  I went to Walmart online to take a look at it, and noticed it did not say pre-order.  I put it in my cart, selected free shipping, and it gave me a guaranteed delivery date of 7/31 - THIS TUESDAY.  So I bought it. 

I am now waiting for tracking numbers.  I will let you all know if the order goes through and give you a preview once I receive it.  The Galaga/Galaxian version only has one joystick, so it would not have been my first choice, but I figured I would give it a try, can always return or sell it off if I don't like it. 

So - maybe we can see build quality as soon as Tuesday evening when I get home from work....  :o

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arcade-1Up-Galaga-Machine-Walmart-Exclusive-4ft/595505982 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arcade-1Up-Galaga-Machine-Walmart-Exclusive-4ft/595505982)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on July 27, 2018, 06:13:42 pm
Everybody loves Galaga.  They will sell a ton of these regardless of build quality.  I'll be shocked it you can't flip that and get your money back later.

Dudes - Walmart has an exclusive Galaga/Galaxian version.  I went to Walmart online to take a look at it, and noticed it did not say pre-order.  I put it in my cart, selected free shipping, and it gave me a guaranteed delivery date of 7/31 - THIS TUESDAY.  So I bought it. 

I am now waiting for tracking numbers.  I will let you all know if the order goes through and give you a preview once I receive it.  The Galaga/Galaxian version only has one joystick, so it would not have been my first choice, but I figured I would give it a try, can always return or sell it off if I don't like it. 

So - maybe we can see build quality as soon as Tuesday evening when I get home from work....  :o

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arcade-1Up-Galaga-Machine-Walmart-Exclusive-4ft/595505982 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Arcade-1Up-Galaga-Machine-Walmart-Exclusive-4ft/595505982)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2018, 07:13:57 pm
Good to know.   Btw notice on the Galaga pictures the screw holes are quite visible.  It looks like some white caps are put on them which would look horrible for the black cabs. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 27, 2018, 07:16:37 pm
I really can't believe that people on this site in particular are wetting themselves to get a complete piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- arcade cabinet. I get that it is really cheap. WhipdeFucking do. Let's check out the awesomeness.

---smurfy--- emulator.
---smurfy--- through hole construction. It is probably 1/2 inch MDF.
---smurfy--- controls.
---smurfy--- size. Good luck actually playing this thing if you are an adult.
---smurfy--- monitor.

---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- sign me up for a bunch of these. ::)
I get that non enthusiasts would jump on something like this.
I just can't believe that people who frequent this site are signing up for these.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on July 27, 2018, 07:21:03 pm
You should look at the Rerez take.... so many general knowledge errors that your head will explode. 
I was triggered. Frequently.



I really can't believe that people on this site in particular are wetting themselves to get a complete piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- arcade cabinet. I get that it is really cheap. WhipdeFucking do
I'm only partially considering it for my nephews.  I have a real deal SF2CE cab with a Multi CPS2 in it, I'll keep the real deal, they can beat the crap out of a well.......a piece of crap :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 27, 2018, 07:26:12 pm
I like the fact that they are small.... I'm running out of room for this stuff.  I also like the fact that they have full side art.  That crap is expensive now.  I have concerns with virtually everything else about them but that doesn't cease my curiosity about them. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 27, 2018, 08:28:54 pm
"Small" is kinda deceiving with these though. Yes they're shorter, but they aren't that much smaller in floor space needed.

Lets compare numbers:

Arcade 1UP =  45.8” H x 23” D x 19” W

Centipede =  71" H x 25" D x 26.75" W 
Robotron = 65" H x 28.5" D x 24.5" W
Donkey Kong  =  67" H x 33.5" D x 23.5" W
Dynamo  HS-1 =  75" H x 36" D x 28" W 

So with the Atari and Williams cabinets being the smaller of the full-sized, Donkey Kong or a standard Dynamo being the larger ones...as you can see the savings is about 5 or 6" in Depth and Width...that's really not much less space required TBH. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on July 27, 2018, 08:40:25 pm
Seeing this post, I feel more inspired to build my own classic low-boy with a 20" CRT monitor (I think that is what people here are calling a cabaret?). Aside from the fact I'm not in the USA or anywhere remotely near a Walmart, there's no way that I'd actually buy one of these though for all the reasons other people have given. They do look alright, but the build quality is concerning and once you take all the probably ---smurfy--- bits away all you are left with is some nice artwork and maybe a control panel.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 27, 2018, 09:09:45 pm
"Small" is kinda deceiving with these though. Yes they're shorter, but they aren't that much smaller in floor space needed.

Lets compare numbers:

Arcade 1UP =  45.8” H x 23” D x 19” W

Centipede =  71" H x 25" D x 26.75" W 
Robotron = 65" H x 28.5" D x 24.5" W
Donkey Kong  =  67" H x 33.5" D x 23.5" W
Dynamo  HS-1 =  75" H x 36" D x 28" W 

So with the Atari and Williams cabinets being the smaller of the full-sized, Donkey Kong or a standard Dynamo being the larger ones...as you can see the savings is about 5 or 6" in Depth and Width...that's really not much less space required TBH.

Don’t forget the space for the chair you’re gonna need in order to really play it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 27, 2018, 09:28:24 pm
I really can't believe that people on this site in particular are wetting themselves to get a complete piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- arcade cabinet. I get that it is really cheap. WhipdeFucking do. Let's check out the awesomeness.

---smurfy--- emulator.
---smurfy--- through hole construction. It is probably 1/2 inch MDF.
---smurfy--- controls.
---smurfy--- size. Good luck actually playing this thing if you are an adult.
---smurfy--- monitor.

---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- sign me up for a bunch of these. ::)
I get that non enthusiasts would jump on something like this.
I just can't believe that people who frequent this site are signing up for these.

You can be The Godfather to mine and Paige’s kids.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 27, 2018, 10:29:27 pm
eh... I am buying them because I wont have any trackball or spinner games on my next mame cab... I like the look and size. Hell I have spent way more to get a lot less in this hobby, so what the hell?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 27, 2018, 11:36:40 pm
They’re new, aren’t covered in beer, semen, and cigarette smoke, and look nice.  I’m considering clearing off a wall and lining them up.  Just waiting on those reviews....

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 28, 2018, 12:19:37 am
They’re new, aren’t covered in beer, semen, and cigarette smoke, and look nice.  I’m considering clearing off a wall and lining them up.  Just waiting on those reviews....

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on July 28, 2018, 12:26:39 am
... aren’t covered in beer,  semen, and cigarette smoke, and look nice. 

If I ever visit your games room I'm going over it with a blacklight before I touch anything! As for the cigarette burns on my T-molding, I think it just adds authenticity  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: BadMouth on July 28, 2018, 07:06:30 am


probably 1/2 inch MDF.


I'd assume it's going to be the same particleboard as any other flat pack furniture and I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise.

Still, bashing them is like complaining about a $100 particleboard dresser bacause it's not made out of mahogany.

I can't imagine anyone delivering more at this price point.  They have to make a profit.  Walmart has to make a profit.  The actual cost to make these has to be much lower than $300.

I built a 70% scale galaga style cab for my nephew out of parts I had laying around and a ping pong table the neighbor set out for the garbage collector.  It was very comfortable to play sitting on a 2ft stool.  These look like they'd play about the same.





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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2018, 07:14:45 am
Quote
I get that non enthusiasts would jump on something like this.
I just can't believe that people who frequent this site are signing up for these.

This was mostly my point. I guess I just thought that people here gave a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about how the games play.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on July 28, 2018, 09:09:46 am
I don't get it either.  If the whole point of the art and games is to recreate a look and experience from the past, why make it so ---smurfing--- small? 

I guess because I clicked on these links, I got an ad in Facebook for these.  There is a little video where they found the tiniest women on the planet to stand next to these cabs.  I'd love to see 2 six foot 200 lb men playing the Streetfighter cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 28, 2018, 09:28:00 am
I'd assume it's going to be the same particleboard as any other flat pack furniture and I don't know why anyone would expect otherwise.

Still, bashing them is like complaining about a $100 particleboard dresser bacause it's not made out of mahogany.

I can't imagine anyone delivering more at this price point.  They have to make a profit.  Walmart has to make a profit.  The actual cost to make these has to be much lower than $300.

I built a 70% scale galaga style cab for my nephew out of parts I had laying around and a ping pong table the neighbor set out for the garbage collector.  It was very comfortable to play sitting on a 2ft stool.  These look like they'd play about the same.

Agreed - for the price point of $299 they seem to be a decent deal ( THe MSRP of $399 starts to be a stretch - and the reseller listings showing up on Ebay already at $599 + become ridiculous ! ) but the main problem becomes is it going to hold up to usage or is it going to start to fall apart like that $100 dresser does after a few weeks. Sure the thing looks decent in the videos available for viewing but until they are actually released and in use there is no way to tell - So it does make you question the overall durability if it is particle board and their use of a 3d model in the assembly video rather than an actual assembly of the product and the lack of any video showing the actual internals of the systems doesn't help to offset any of those concerns.

I agree they look and sound like a decent product at a decent price point but until I actually can see it will have concerns over the actual value.

I don't get it either.  If the whole point of the art and games is to recreate a look and experience from the past, why make it so ---smurfing--- small? 

I guess because I clicked on these links, I got an ad in Facebook for these.  There is a little video where they found the tiniest women on the planet to stand next to these cabs.  I'd love to see 2 six foot 200 lb men playing the Streetfighter cab.

The size is most likely to keep the price point - figure at 63 Lbs. they are already approaching the point where extra costs are involved in shipping ( either having to split it into 2 packages or pay extra for the added weight since the delivery companies have limits on what normal packages can weigh without extra costs once they need to provide lifting equipment or use a team of employees for delivery since it weighs more than their single delivery driver can lift.)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 28, 2018, 09:53:53 am
Well then.  I am hoping my order goes through and I have one next week.  I will "take one for the team" and give you guys a tour if I receive it. 

Random thoughts: 

- Size is perfect for kids. 

- If you had a few of them you could easily build one long riser/platform against a wall and display them that way. 

- If the buttons and joysticks are standard micro switch units, you could easily wire them to a zero-delay encoder or ipac and then connect to a computer or raspberry pi.  The only other issue would be getting the signal to the lcd monitor, but I am sure there will be a way to hack that fairly easily.  So conceivably, for possibly less than $100 more you may be able to stick a pi in there and have a fully functioning multi-cade.

- If a cheap hack like above is possible I think there could be an aftermarket where folks mod them up and sell them - sorta like you saw with nes and snes mini. 

- If for some reason its overly difficult to hack into the lcd monitor that comes with the machine, you could simply pull the whole unit out, and replace with a $5 goodwill 17" lcd.  I have two extra 4:3 17" lcds in my basement and see at least a couple every time I visit goodwill just sitting on the shelves collecting dust...so all you would need to do is wire the controls to the pi with a cheap zero delay, and connect pi to the lcd. 

- Quite possibly, the build quality and overall gaming experience will suck.  Nobody really knows at this point.  So lets see.  Nothing ventured nothing gained.

- Does the release of these things indicate that the retro-arcade scene has "jumped the shark"?  :)



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2018, 10:07:07 am
What the crap is going on?
"Gee the build quality will probably be bad. The controls and the internals will have to be replaced. I will have to build a riser for them. Sign me up for a pre-order."
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on July 28, 2018, 11:28:57 am
Lol Mike.  Part of the experience as a kid is looking up in wonder at the towering magic box with indestructible presence, not sitting in front of a wimpy feeling box as the stick rips out of the CP.  :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 28, 2018, 11:41:12 am
Another thing I wonder is will these each have different hardware/software for the roms or will it be another case of the PCB having all of the games from all of the cabinets installed and just jumpers to determine which ones are active on a specific machine ( ie. like the Tiny Arcades that use a single resistor to short a jumper to select which of the 4 machines it is - so production remains the same for every one and they just short a different jumper at final assembly to decide which machine it is packaged as.)  :dunno
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on July 28, 2018, 01:13:25 pm
Still, bashing them is like complaining about a $100 particleboard dresser bacause it's not made out of mahogany.

I've used $100 particleboard dressers. I don't bash them for not being mahogany. I bash them because they fell apart as soon as I put a pair of pants in the top drawer. I expect the same level of quality from these cabinets.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on July 28, 2018, 01:50:16 pm
These remind me of the Jakks handhelds. Sure they weren't arcade good, but we've seen some decent builds with the Jakks. There was some buzz around the Midway consumer cabinets, but those ended up being stinkers for a couple reasons.

I think these have potential to be kinda cool. They look decent. I think the price point is good and I bet it scratches the nostalgia itch for a lot of people. If they are easily hackable, this could be a good starting point for some people. I think a $150-$200 bartop kit has competition from these units.

I'm reserving judgement for these. I love the idea of a small cabinet in my kids room and I like the idea of a display in my office. A round of street fighter to resolve conflict - awesome.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on July 28, 2018, 01:54:06 pm
If I can mod the rampage to play other go-right-and-fight games, me and my kids can have more than $300 fun playing it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on July 28, 2018, 02:10:55 pm
I think these have potential to be kinda cool. They look decent. I think the price point is good and I bet it scratches the nostalgia itch for a lot of people. If they are easily hackable, this could be a good starting point for some people. I think a $150-$200 bartop kit has competition from these units.

I'm reserving judgement for these. I love the idea of a small cabinet in my kids room and I like the idea of a display in my office. A round of street fighter to resolve conflict - awesome.

Same here.  I don't intend to buy one but they look interesting and agree they will scratch the itch for a lot of people.  I have a friend that wants a Galaga but doesn't want to pay the going rate (or even the materials it would take for me to build them one) and I'll probably recommend they give this one a look.  They don't really care if it is arcade authentic.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 28, 2018, 05:20:10 pm
I canceled... Mike A got in my head.

I still think they will play great, and would be a great addition to anyones line up. If the build quality is the same as what was presented to us.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2018, 05:27:35 pm
Sorry Ian. I don't agree with anything you just said except for the part where you canceled your order.
Those things would look like garbage on most people's lineups. They are the wrong size, and you have to sit in a chair like an ---uvula--- to play them.
The build quality looks like ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---. It is all through hole.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 28, 2018, 07:12:54 pm
Mike, you sure are worried about how grown men spend their own money and it’s crossing the line into weird.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2018, 08:17:19 pm
Coming from captain normal, I will take that under advisement.
Maybe I have been too strident on this subject.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 28, 2018, 10:57:37 pm
As I definitely appreciate Mike’s passion, ultimately the best thing to do is just outline the pros and cons and let people decide how they should spend their funds.

But as someone who has modded these types of commercial cabs, I can tell you it’s not always straight-forward.
I once converted an Arcade Legends 2 to JAMMA for a friend of mine so that he could throw a Pandora’s Box into it.
Had to completely re-wire the whole cab, power and all. Also had to cut a whole new CP for he’s desired layout, apply a new CPO, replaced all controls with higher quality gear — you will definitely find these type of cabs have low-quality controls that are practically throw-aways once you try them. All-in-all it’s still a lot of work to get to the level of our standard DIY cabs here. In the end it still just looks like you bought it at Walmart even though you’ve put a ton of work and updates to.

Personally I don’t think it’s worth it. But it’s a $300 starter that gets you maybe halfway there to as close to an authentic arcade experience for what these things are. But it’ll never be to the level of a full fledged authentic cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2018, 11:08:53 pm
Thank you for saying I am nuts without actually saying it. I appreciate the effort. :cheers:

I won't bother anyone about this anymore.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 28, 2018, 11:50:33 pm
You’re not nuts, Mike. Everything you’ve said I agree with. But we come from different schools than the main demographic this product is targeting.

No, putting these into your line-up of legit original full-sized cabs and thinking it looks good, now that’s nuts. Spending 3 bills on these though, meh, I’ve thrown money at stupider things. (Looking at you NES and SNES Classic Minis)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 29, 2018, 12:10:00 am
Hey now, don't bring the Classics into this fight cause it's one you can't win.  They're officially sanctioned by Nintendo plug n play consoles..... that's like finding a unicorn right there. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 29, 2018, 01:33:04 am
I know I know, but it was stupid for me to spend money on. I already own 2 original revisions of each console (NES front loader, top-loader, SNES and SNES jr), an HDMI clone for both (AVS and SuperNT) have most of my original collection of carts, plus flash carts for each. My original NES’s and SNES jr are RGB modded, and I have an OSSC and a Framemeister. There was absolutely no reason to buy the classic minis other than sheer fanboy hoarding.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: gojetsgo on July 29, 2018, 01:51:02 am
Considering one of these. I have a 4-year old and 6-month old, so the small size is a selling point to me.  I've already built a 1-player 4 foot high mini cab, but a centipede would look great next to it - and help resolve the conflict of sharing when the cousins come over.

Unfortunately, these aren't available in Canada.  Not really work the trouble to drive an hour to the border... Probably. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 29, 2018, 04:24:53 am
Considering one of these. I have a 4-year old and 6-month old, so the small size is a selling point to me.  I've already built a 1-player 4 foot high mini cab, but a centipede would look great next to it - and help resolve the conflict of sharing when the cousins come over.

Unfortunately, these aren't available in Canada.  Not really work the trouble to drive an hour to the border... Probably.

The arcade 1up website shows them available at Walmart Canada -- https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up (https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up) though the price is $499 Canadian (so closer to the $399 price instead of $299)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on July 29, 2018, 11:00:57 am
Another option would be to cut a couple feet off the bottom and make a bartop out of it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 29, 2018, 11:19:24 am
Lot of opinions on these and I understand everyone's points.  We all have different perspectives.  Everybody's opinion is valid from their own perspective.  The reason I am going to get one and give it a try is for my own reasons.  I have been fooling around in this hobby for about the past 3 years.  I started by building a mame cabinet from scratch using one sheet of plywood and some scrap wood I had lying around.  I also had a tankstick that I got off CL for $60.  I am a computer guy - I managed a Gateway Country store back in the late 90s, and have been building computers and computer gaming for all my adult life.  So for me, the fun of building a mame machine was in getting the computer setup and tweaking the software.  I managed to build a presentable cabinet around my tankstick, but the actual building of the cabinet was my least favorite part of the whole process.  My next project was a Wizard of Wor original cabinet that I bought two years ago.  I replaced the power supply with a new one and got it to the point of playing blind.  I believe there is an issue with the video relay board, but it could also be the monitor.  The cabinet is in my basement and I haven't touched it in a year and a half.  This project has taught me that I really don't want to fool around with original cabinets and CRT monitor repair.  Again, some guys love this stuff, for me its a pain in the ass and I have no interest in re-flowing pcbs and re-capping monitors.  After I shelved the Wizard of Wor (I will sell it or get back to it one final time later this year) I bought a professionally constructed, but empty, arcade cabinet off CL.  I went ahead and added a PC, buttons, and LCD, and ordered a generic art package for cheap.  The cabinet came out nice (the construction was top notch to begin with) and sold it to my buddy who wanted a mame machine for his basement.  I have a lot of fun populating the control panel, and wiring and setting up the software.  Next, I bought a non-working and mostly stripped out M.A.C.H 3 cabinet.  I have always been a fan of rotary shooters so I bought a set of LS-30s, a full Ikari Warriors art package, and made it into a mame multi-rotary machine.  I also bought a non-working Chase HQ that I intend to convert into a mame multi-racer.  So I have some experience building, modding, and generally fooling around with arcade cabinets.

So going forward in the arcade hobby I have come to a few realizations.  What I enjoy about this hobby is the emulation/computer setup.  What I don't enjoy is messing with old CRTs and original arcade equipment.  I also don't really enjoy the cabinet building part of the hobby.  My vision for my small basement arcade space is to have about half a dozen machines setup to play specific groups of games.  I have my multi-rotary, I have my multi-racer, I would like to add a 4-way vertical cab, an 8 way vertical cab, and an 8 way horizontal cab.  My play anything tankstick build is upstairs in my computer room. 

So given what I want, and what I like to do, I could either keep buying empty or non-working original cabinets and converting them, or template out and build replica cabinets to house my mame machines.  So here's where the arcade1up machines possibly come in.  They address a few issues for me.

1. Space, I like the smaller profile (not the height but that's easily addressable)
2. I like the art packages - Galaga, Centipede, street fighter, etc.  I also like that the work is already done as far as this goes.
3. I like the ready to assemble format vs. building from scratch.
4. They appear to be easily modded, even if that means taking out the monitor/pcb that comes with it and adding a 17" LCD of my own and a pi with a zero delay (total parts cost about $65 as I get 17" 4:3 LCDs free.
5. At $299 they are about what I would have to spend to build a replica cabinet from scratch (including artwork, buttons, t-molding, etc) and I don't have to mess around building it from scratch.

So I am going to get one to see what the thing is all about in person.  If build quality is decent and I feel I can work with the format, I may buy a few more and mod them up.  That's what I enjoy doing.  Modding and setting up software and working with pi or computers.  If I find out that the thing is not built to a standard I can work with, I will just mod it up and sell it my brother for cost.  He has two young kids and has been asking me to build him something for them anyway.  For less than $400 I can give him a pi-modded machine with a couple of dozen games on it that his kids can beat up for a few years.  If the thing is total garbage I will just return it to Wally world for a refund.  End of story.

I know...cool story bro....  I don't expect any of you guys who love the cabinet building process, or love the artwork design process, or love restoring original machines, to have any interest in these pre-fab units.  They are not for you anyway.  They are aimed at the guy who wants a cool looking game for his kids, but has no interest in building his own.  And, maybe, these machines will work for a guy like me, we will see...  :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on July 29, 2018, 11:24:38 am
It's a fair point.

The best part was the Gateway Country store employee part. I bought my 2nd "real" computer there. A P2 400mhz. I had to finance it for a year.

Good times.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 29, 2018, 11:42:18 am
It's a fair point.

The best part was the Gateway Country store employee part. I bought my 2nd "real" computer there. A P2 400mhz. I had to finance it for a year.

Good times.

I managed the store in Albany (Latham) NY from when it opened in 1997 until 2000.  Best job I ever had.  We had two training rooms with a dozen computers all networked together in each.  We came in early on Sunday's and played Command and Conquer Red Alert and Quake II on the lan.  Fun times for sure.  I got out to start a career as a financial planner, to get out of the retail grind.  Holidays, weekends, inventory...yuck.  ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on July 29, 2018, 12:21:12 pm
Those Gateway stores were great resources for local small IT shops.  We would go there to get a hands on look at laptops and other gadgets before ordering for our users.  It was nice have local salespeople to talk to as well. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: deadpool18 on July 29, 2018, 01:05:02 pm
I'm seriously tempted to order the Galaga and Asteroids cabinets. I have absolutely no room left in my small house. Even these would require some creative reorganizing. I like that I can just pick the cabinet up and move it to another room.

My kids love Galaga and would have fun just playing this sort of quick and easy. The Asteroids cabinet appeals to me because of the art, control panel layout (playing Asteroids with a joystick is not the same), spinner for Tempest, and the fact that vector games look good on an LCD (obviously a vector monitor would be ideal, but LCD looks better than a standard crt for these games).

I really wish Asteroids Deluxe was included, considering the prototype featured it. I actually prefer deluxe, even though I love both games!

$300 is reasonable for what you get, assuming the quality is good. $400 was pushing it though...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: gojetsgo on July 29, 2018, 01:09:43 pm
The arcade 1up website shows them available at Walmart Canada -- https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up (https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up) though the price is $499 Canadian (so closer to the $399 price instead of $299)

Thanks, I didn't notice that.  500 is getting a bit too pricey - it would be only 390 CAD if the US price was simply converted. Might as well tack on another 25%.  Damned retailers always gouging Canadians..
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 29, 2018, 01:28:52 pm
This thread has everything.  Meltdowns over other people’s money, the strong compulsion to measure your collector cock and brag about things you’ve bought, “if this was 1982 I could throw this computer clean over them mountains.”

Keep it going.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 29, 2018, 01:57:30 pm
The arcade 1up website shows them available at Walmart Canada -- https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up (https://www.walmart.ca/search/arcade1up) though the price is $499 Canadian (so closer to the $399 price instead of $299)

Thanks, I didn't notice that.  500 is getting a bit too pricey - it would be only 390 CAD if the US price was simply converted. Might as well tack on another 25%.  Damned retailers always gouging Canadians..

It's probably more your Govt. and the duties/taxes they add and the shipping companies rates - but then again it might just be they haven't seen the $100 price reductions that the US stores have made ( Gamestop was at $399 when it first went up but then dropped to $299 after Walmart put theirs up at that price ) so maybe check with walmart.ca and see if they are going to lower it there also since like you say it would be closer to $390 ca if you just converted the price here. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 29, 2018, 02:37:16 pm
This thread has everything.  Meltdowns over other people’s money, the strong compulsion to measure your collector cock and brag about things you’ve bought, “if this was 1982 I could throw this computer clean over them mountains.”

Keep it going.
Including double-standard commentaries, "I'll defend your right to spend your money, but I'll ridicule you for doing so if you mention what you've spent it on".   ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: deadpool18 on July 29, 2018, 02:43:04 pm
Anyone know if the game lineup got cut down for the Asteroids and Centipede cabinets?  I saw this on Youtube in the sizzle reel by the official Arcade1up channel.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 29, 2018, 03:08:29 pm
Anyone know if the game lineup got cut down for the Asteroids and Centipede cabinets?  I saw this on Youtube in the sizzle reel by the official Arcade1up channel.

Yeah they've changed several of the lineups - guess they had some difficulty getting licensing on some and moved some others around to even out the value of the games on the various units along with pairing up the similar CP layouts to keep the pricing the same on all of them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 29, 2018, 03:26:08 pm
Including double-standard commentaries, "I'll defend your right to spend your money, but I'll ridicule you for doing so if you mention what you've spent it on".   ::)

Have you considered a pi?

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 29, 2018, 03:46:27 pm
Oh geez don’t start with that now.  :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2018, 05:12:39 pm
This thread has everything.  Meltdowns over other people’s money, the strong compulsion to measure your collector cock and brag about things you’ve bought, “if this was 1982 I could throw this computer clean over them mountains.”

Keep it going.


lol  :laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: BadMouth on July 29, 2018, 09:44:20 pm
This thread has everything.  Meltdowns over other people’s money, the strong compulsion to measure your collector cock and brag about things you’ve bought, “if this was 1982 I could throw this computer clean over them mountains.”

Keep it going.
It's not complete until it has a 2,000 word rant by you know who.
There is still time.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 29, 2018, 10:09:36 pm
 Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Lilwolf on July 30, 2018, 10:59:13 am
After watching the assembly video, I wish we knew what was inside that controller.  I'm really hoping I can hack that monitor into a VGA or hdmi cable.  Controllers I'm sure it will be ok with..  Hopefully it wont' be too hard to hack to a pi or pc. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on July 30, 2018, 05:24:52 pm
After watching the assembly video, I wish we knew what was inside that controller.  I'm really hoping I can hack that monitor into a VGA or hdmi cable.  Controllers I'm sure it will be ok with..  Hopefully it wont' be too hard to hack to a pi or pc.

Hey man, long time no type.  That ribbon cable between the lcd and control panel is what I was getting at earlier.  That's a lot of wires, so it makes me think it's the input wires feeding to the motherboard attached to the lcd…. one for each input and a ground.  If not then that's an awful lot of wires to run to the cp... all that's needed is +V, Gnd, R,G,B, and sync.  So the only way the main board is in the cp is if the lcd driver board is also in the cp, and then you gotta wonder wtf the large box attached to the lcd has in it aside from a power jack and a socket for the ribbon cable. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: shaolindrunkard on July 30, 2018, 11:10:20 pm
Funny, I was already working on something like this before I even knew these existed.

(https://preview.ibb.co/i1nQr8/20180730_230216_HDR.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: ivwshane on July 31, 2018, 12:36:17 am
It's a fair point.

The best part was the Gateway Country store employee part. I bought my 2nd "real" computer there. A P2 400mhz. I had to finance it for a year.

Good times.

I managed the store in Albany (Latham) NY from when it opened in 1997 until 2000.  Best job I ever had.  We had two training rooms with a dozen computers all networked together in each.  We came in early on Sunday's and played Command and Conquer Red Alert and Quake II on the lan.  Fun times for sure.  I got out to start a career as a financial planner, to get out of the retail grind.  Holidays, weekends, inventory...yuck.  ;D

I used to work at gateway computers too! It was a very fun job. We used to play doom III against each other all the time. I remember I set up a shoutcast server from home and streamed my music to the store using winamp. I did sales and even did some training classes for a bit too which introduced me to the more advanced things excel can do. It sucked when they closed and I was laid off, I still have one of their wooden rocking chairs too! What was great ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- them is that it was more than just computers but rather solutions. Their media center PC  and music streaming setup was ahead of their time.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jeremymtc on July 31, 2018, 02:12:01 am
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

I'm going to add a projector, a series of mirrors, and a fishtank to mine!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 31, 2018, 07:21:56 am
It's a fair point.

The best part was the Gateway Country store employee part. I bought my 2nd "real" computer there. A P2 400mhz. I had to finance it for a year.

Good times.

I managed the store in Albany (Latham) NY from when it opened in 1997 until 2000.  Best job I ever had.  We had two training rooms with a dozen computers all networked together in each.  We came in early on Sunday's and played Command and Conquer Red Alert and Quake II on the lan.  Fun times for sure.  I got out to start a career as a financial planner, to get out of the retail grind.  Holidays, weekends, inventory...yuck.  ;D

I used to work at gateway computers too! It was a very fun job. We used to play doom III against each other all the time. I remember I set up a shoutcast server from home and streamed my music to the store using winamp. I did sales and even did some training classes for a bit too which introduced me to the more advanced things excel can do. It sucked when they closed and I was laid off, I still have one of their wooden rocking chairs too! What was great ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- them is that it was more than just computers but rather solutions. Their media center PC  and music streaming setup was ahead of their time.

Nice.  I left in mid-2000.  So I was there during the 1999 "Y2K" fiasco.  Funny times trying to convince folks that their computer would work just fine after the clocked ticked over to the year 2000.  Hell some folks thought their toaster was going to explode.  I bought our floor model Destination computer with the 36" CRT and the large media stand.  I still have it in the basement.  :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 31, 2018, 08:38:32 am
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

I'm going to add a projector, a series of mirrors, and a fishtank to mine!

/me doesn’t even bat an eye
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on July 31, 2018, 10:35:47 am
I bought our floor model Destination computer with the 36" CRT and the large media stand.  I still have it in the basement.  :)

Those Destination monitors were pretty cool since they had a VGA connection.    I had one I got from work that I toyed with using for a mame cab.  It was just so darn big and heavy.   
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 31, 2018, 10:54:53 am
I bought our floor model Destination computer with the 36" CRT and the large media stand.  I still have it in the basement.  :)

Those Destination monitors were pretty cool since they had a VGA connection.    I had one I got from work that I toyed with using for a mame cab.  It was just so darn big and heavy.

Its a beast.  I have a coinOPs modded xbox hooked up to it.  That said, would love to get rid of it to free up some room but nobody wants it and I cant bring myself to trash it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on July 31, 2018, 11:38:44 am
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

B.uy Y.our O.wn A.rcade C.onsole

 :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JimmyU on July 31, 2018, 12:08:13 pm
I bought our floor model Destination computer with the 36" CRT and the large media stand.  I still have it in the basement.  :)

Those Destination monitors were pretty cool since they had a VGA connection.    I had one I got from work that I toyed with using for a mame cab.  It was just so darn big and heavy.

Its a beast.  I have a coinOPs modded xbox hooked up to it.  That said, would love to get rid of it to free up some room but nobody wants it and I cant bring myself to trash it.
My old boss had one of those. It was one of the first attempts at a home theater PC. IIRC, the monitor was only 800 X 600 so it wasn't HD quality and the computer it came with ran a version of Windows 95 that had USB support. We've come a long way 20+ years of HTPC's.

Edit: a quick Google search shows that system cost $5K in 1996! Adjusted for inflation, that's over $8K today. I can't imagine paying that much for a system now.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on July 31, 2018, 12:48:01 pm
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

B.uy Y.our O.wn A.rcade C.onsole

 :lol

add that to the wiki.....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: BadMouth on July 31, 2018, 01:35:14 pm
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

B.uy Y.our O.wn A.rcade C.onsole

 :lol



add that to the wiki.....

"Arcade Console" bothers me way more than the Buy part.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 31, 2018, 02:24:55 pm
Buy what you dig, bros. Buy what you dig.

B.uy Y.our O.wn A.rcade C.onsole

 :lol


This website used to be about doing whatever you could to bring the arcade experience in your home. Building was our only option at the time with the exception of actually buying up used arcade machines. But this site (and the book) showed us it was possible to emulate and build multiple games on a single cabinet. Which we have all done. It wasn't always pretty in the beginning, but the build quality and the parts got better and better. We didn't have an arcade1up option back then. I am sure if we did, many here would have been pretty excited to have something available to go mainstream at an affordable price.

Anyway the point is, it was about bringing the arcade experience back home. So what if these are premade and smaller. The quality looks good, the buttons look right the trackball is the right size the spinner for tempest looks good (lets see how it really feels) and we are shitting on it because it comes prebuilt???? It's ---smurfing--- $300? Not $1300. In the grand scheme we all have spent way more than $300 on just parts for control panels. We also support precut Kits all the time, yet according to this logic if the kit came with a licensed game and an LCD we would HAVE to bash it right? Ugh, you need a stool to play this!

If it looks and plays good why not spend $300 on a Centipede/Crystal Castles/Missile Command? Getting those individually will cost a hell of a lot more than $300. Building would cost you more than $300. Why is this such a bad option? The Arcade police around here need to take a xanax have a coke and a smile and be happy (I had to edit that a bit because I love you and that felt like a personal attack, you're still my favorite people!). 

Arcade perfect is such a funny phrase, because unless you use the actual hardware (You arcade collectors out there know this all too well), all Mame machines are close but not perfect. And if we really want to be transparent and look at ourselves honestly, we never really cared about form factor and arcade perfection in the past, because if we did we would have never supported any kind of bartop machine. We would have probably dismissed them all, let alone have awards for "small dedicated" and "small multi" UCA's. But here we are, giving a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the size of an Arcade machine, because why not it's not arcade perfect.



 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on July 31, 2018, 03:22:25 pm
Edit: a quick Google search shows that system cost $5K in 1996! Adjusted for inflation, that's over $8K today. I can't imagine paying that much for a system now.

LOL - Yeah I remember paying $2195 for my first computer system ( a suitcase portable Panasonic Sr. Partner) - and it had a 4.77 Mhz. 8088 CPU with a whopping 512KB of RAM ( came with 128KB and could be upgraded to 512KB) and a 9 inch CGA - 320x200x16 color green screen monitor ) - THat I used to play Pac Man and dig dug on !

(http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/panasonicsrparner.jpg)

So $300 for 3/4 size arcade system with a few games is a pretty good deal IMO !
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on July 31, 2018, 04:56:10 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180731/d10f74dbe7d87ec81e77bed9ec9dc129.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on July 31, 2018, 08:39:59 pm
The Arcade police around here need to take a xanax have a coke and a smile and be happy (I had to edit that a bit because I love you and that felt like a personal attack, you're still my favorite people!). 

Arcade perfect is such a funny phrase, because unless you use the actual hardware (You arcade collectors out there know this all too well), all Mame machines are close but not perfect. And if we really want to be transparent and look at ourselves honestly, we never really cared about form factor and arcade perfection in the past, because if we did we would have never supported any kind of bartop machine. We would have probably dismissed them all, let alone have awards for "small dedicated" and "small multi" UCA's. But here we are, giving a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the size of an Arcade machine, because why not it's not arcade perfect.

 :applaud:

If it works, why not?  I'm really interested in the Rampage and will probably pull the trigger soon. If it ends up being a stinker, I've wasted more money on worse. Hell, I bet we all have. I'd say my whole first arcade cabinet was a mistake. I ended up re-doing it years later once I had a few builds under my belt.

Sure, I get a little nostalgic for when we were all nostalgic and didn't have all the options we have now, but ultimately I'm glad things are where they are.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on July 31, 2018, 09:22:19 pm
The Arcade police around here need to take a xanax have a coke and a smile and be happy (I had to edit that a bit because I love you and that felt like a personal attack, you're still my favorite people!). 

Arcade perfect is such a funny phrase, because unless you use the actual hardware (You arcade collectors out there know this all too well), all Mame machines are close but not perfect. And if we really want to be transparent and look at ourselves honestly, we never really cared about form factor and arcade perfection in the past, because if we did we would have never supported any kind of bartop machine. We would have probably dismissed them all, let alone have awards for "small dedicated" and "small multi" UCA's. But here we are, giving a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- about the size of an Arcade machine, because why not it's not arcade perfect.

 :applaud:

If it works, why not?  I'm really interested in the Rampage and will probably pull the trigger soon. If it ends up being a stinker, I've wasted more money on worse. Hell, I bet we all have. I'd say my whole first arcade cabinet was a mistake. I ended up re-doing it years later once I had a few builds under my belt.

Sure, I get a little nostalgic for when we were all nostalgic and didn't have all the options we have now, but ultimately I'm glad things are where they are.

Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 31, 2018, 09:32:51 pm
Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
The younger generation will be building Dave & Buster LED-lit monstrosity cabinets that spit out redemption tickets.  That'll be their nostalgia.

As for the creative things, I disagree.  BYOAC used to have a lot more creative innovations.  Now it's bartop after bartop with crazy character collages of different art styles crammed onto the sides, or the same rehashed slim cabinets with themes dedicated to games that have absolutely nothing to do with arcades.  There used to be more unique designs, innovative methods of constructing, new ideas of features to promote better gameplay, and full themes that didn't revolve around stolen artwork from official sources. Now it's just uninspiring cookie-cutter projects made by people who have very little knowledge, or have no interested in learning about arcades, or the right methods of building a cabinet.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on July 31, 2018, 09:45:14 pm
Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
The younger generation will be building Dave & Buster LED-lit monstrosity cabinets that spit out redemption tickets.  That'll be their nostalgia.

As for the creative things, I disagree.  BYOAC used to have a lot more creative innovations.  Now it's bartop after bartop with crazy character collages of different art styles crammed onto the sides, or the same rehashed slim cabinets with themes dedicated to games that have absolutely nothing to do with arcades.  There used to be more unique designs, innovative methods of constructing, new ideas of features to promote better gameplay, and full themes that didn't revolve around stolen artwork from official sources. Now it's just uninspiring cookie-cutter projects made by people who have very little knowledge, or have no interested in learning about arcades, or the right methods of building a cabinet.

I'm not going to disagree about the bartop craze.  I hate them for the most part.  If you've ever been over to r/cade on reddit... holy crap what a cesspool.  99% of the "projects" are awful and slapped together in a weekend without any care for detail or functionality.  OMG it plays 10,000 games!!!  Ugh.  The other day someone asked what the best controls were for playing FINAL FANTASY on a bartop.   :banghead:

However, I've seen a few really neat projects like someone who gutted an old Coleco Pac-Man and stuck a Pi Zero inside.  New paint job, stickers, etc. and it's awesome.  That wasn't possible 5 years ago.  It is few and far between though but I'd rather wade through the junk to find something cool than there be no one doing anything at all. 

I have noticed these boards are nowhere near as active as they were a few years ago though... not sure why.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on July 31, 2018, 09:57:13 pm
I think if it is going to have its own stand-alone presence, it should have some "soul" man!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 31, 2018, 10:04:11 pm
These cabinets retain some of the aesthetic and actually have decent games on them. The bartops were mostly made by people that never spent time in an arcade, which is why they all look like laptops with joysticks.

Anyway... That Galaga arrive yet??

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on July 31, 2018, 10:34:40 pm
These cabinets retain some of the aesthetic and actually have decent games on them. The bartops were mostly made by people that never spent time in an arcade, which is why they all look like laptops with joysticks.

Anyway... That Galaga arrive yet??

Thats a nope.  My order is in the "preparing order" status.  Which probably means it won't ship until everything else does after all.  But I will keep the order open just in case.  I am not sure if I am more disappointed that I may have to wait to get it, or that we all have to endure this thread for another month and a half  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on July 31, 2018, 10:40:18 pm
Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
The younger generation will be building Dave & Buster LED-lit monstrosity cabinets that spit out redemption tickets.  That'll be their nostalgia.

As for the creative things, I disagree.  BYOAC used to have a lot more creative innovations.  Now it's bartop after bartop with crazy character collages of different art styles crammed onto the sides, or the same rehashed slim cabinets with themes dedicated to games that have absolutely nothing to do with arcades.  There used to be more unique designs, innovative methods of constructing, new ideas of features to promote better gameplay, and full themes that didn't revolve around stolen artwork from official sources. Now it's just uninspiring cookie-cutter projects made by people who have very little knowledge, or have no interested in learning about arcades, or the right methods of building a cabinet.


I disagree, it used to be marble tack paper, and exposed trackball mounts and franken panels... Its a lot better than what it was.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on July 31, 2018, 11:05:49 pm
Opt2not is still a newb despite what he’ll tell you.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on July 31, 2018, 11:16:20 pm
Edit: a quick Google search shows that system cost $5K in 1996! Adjusted for inflation, that's over $8K today. I can't imagine paying that much for a system now.

That is crazy.  I forgot they cost that much.  You can buy a NIB pinball machine for those dollars.   ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 31, 2018, 11:25:00 pm
Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
The younger generation will be building Dave & Buster LED-lit monstrosity cabinets that spit out redemption tickets.  That'll be their nostalgia.

As for the creative things, I disagree.  BYOAC used to have a lot more creative innovations.  Now it's bartop after bartop with crazy character collages of different art styles crammed onto the sides, or the same rehashed slim cabinets with themes dedicated to games that have absolutely nothing to do with arcades.  There used to be more unique designs, innovative methods of constructing, new ideas of features to promote better gameplay, and full themes that didn't revolve around stolen artwork from official sources. Now it's just uninspiring cookie-cutter projects made by people who have very little knowledge, or have no interested in learning about arcades, or the right methods of building a cabinet.


I disagree, it used to be marble tack paper, and exposed trackball mounts and franken panels... Its a lot better than what it was.

Well yeah you had the trash builds too. But you also had members like Ond, lokensen, pixelhugger, Knievel, Epyx, SpaceHedgehog, Ryglore (the list goes on) making extraordinary builds. I’m not talking about the early days, about 10 years ago was the sweet spot. The pre hipster days when arcade and “retro” ( I hate that word) wasn’t trending.

Those were the halcyon days my friends.

Ps. Do yourself a favour and take a look at what’s listed in this thread’s first couple of pages (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,103103.0.html). Then compare that list to this thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,142020.0.html). You’ll get what I’m saying. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on July 31, 2018, 11:50:21 pm
Opt2not is still a newb despite what he’ll tell you.
Maybe. But at least I never had to delete every single one of my posts manually, delete my account, then return like the prodigal son.

Part of me misses the old acidic PinballJim, this abbreviated version has gotten all soft and reasonable.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 01, 2018, 01:13:26 am
Opt2not is still a newb despite what he’ll tell you.
Maybe. But at least I never had to delete every single one of my posts manually, delete my account, then return like the prodigal son.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180801/04cb68d5903b81617453f1d603264dca.gif)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 01, 2018, 01:56:06 am
Same here.  There are so many people doing so many creative things these days (especially since the raspberry pi came out) and if it keeps the hobby going I'm all for it.  I'm worried that in 20 years the arcade scene and DIY arcade scene will be gone because the younger generation doesn't have the attachment that a lot of us do.  I'll take what I can get.
The younger generation will be building Dave & Buster LED-lit monstrosity cabinets that spit out redemption tickets.  That'll be their nostalgia.

As for the creative things, I disagree.  BYOAC used to have a lot more creative innovations.  Now it's bartop after bartop with crazy character collages of different art styles crammed onto the sides, or the same rehashed slim cabinets with themes dedicated to games that have absolutely nothing to do with arcades.  There used to be more unique designs, innovative methods of constructing, new ideas of features to promote better gameplay, and full themes that didn't revolve around stolen artwork from official sources. Now it's just uninspiring cookie-cutter projects made by people who have very little knowledge, or have no interested in learning about arcades, or the right methods of building a cabinet.


I disagree, it used to be marble tack paper, and exposed trackball mounts and franken panels... Its a lot better than what it was.


Eh it's a lot more turn-key then it was, thus why cabs look professional and yet have bad layouts, or bad art ect.   
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 01, 2018, 10:04:29 am
Super old head chiming in.  I don't think Mike said there wasn't a market for these I believe he said he was surprised people here were interested and gave legitimate reasons. I agree with him that no one should buy one of these with the expectation of it replacing a real arcade machine.


I think the cabs are far too small for an adult, even with the booster seat. However, they are the perfect size for kids. I still have a small interest in a SF cab, wont pull the trigger till I see some reviews and if they can be hacked to add additional games. Game wouldn't be for me or in my "line up" but it'd give my nephews something to beat on and the younger trick or treaters could also reach the controls without standing on milk crates :p

Based on what Ive seen here are my opinions on the cabs. I really hope badmouth wasn't talking about me with a 2,000 word rant :p Also to note, I understand that some of my game wants may not be possible due to licensing issues.

"Street Fighter" Cab
The game selection on the SF cab is the worst of the lot, SF2CE, SF2T, Super SFII and Super SFIIT. They should have dropped Super in favor of one of the alpha games; and they would have sold a ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- ton of these if they did Super SFIIT , SFA3 , a DarkStalkers game, Marvel Super Heroes, and Xmen vs SF (or MvC even though XvSF is better)  instead of 4 flavors of SFII. These machines are obviously running emulators, and there is just a more varied selection of (fighting) games available on CPS2

"Galaga" Cab
While the SF cab only has SFII games, at least it has 4. This will undoubtedly be the most popular cab but it boggles the mind why there are only TWO games. At minimum they should have added Gaplus/Galaga 3.  Or used a 4 way stick and released this as an updated "reunion" cab with Pac, MsPac, Galaga, Galaxian, etc Walmart exclusive is also.....odd.

"Trackball" Cab
Centipede, Millipede, Missile Command, Crystal Castles.  This is the most oddball cab to me, Im not a huge trackball game guy but I do love me some crystal castles. I think if they dropped one of the `pedes in favor of something like Capcom Bowling itd help.  I also dont know how its going to work with Centipede being a vertical game and crystal castles being a horizontal one.  Stretch or black bars I guess (screen looks to be vertically mounted, so only bars on CC I guess) No Marble Madness? for shame.

"spinner" Cab
The spinner cab comes with 4 games but only 1 that actually used a spinner, tempst. Despite that this one has one of the better selection of games but at the expense of "authentic controls". Im sure everything will be playable once you adjust, asteroids is a classic (even if I think blasteroids is more fun) and even with different controls this will introduce tons of new players to Major Havoc. I honestly don't feel this one will sell very well.

"Ramage" aka the tight fit cab
This cab should be bigger and 4 players. 3 players with a single 3 player game (Rampage) , a 4 player game (Gauntlet) , a 2 player game (Joust) and a 1 player at a time game (Defender). The game selection is definitely diverse, but doesnt make a ton of sense. There are other 3 player games out there like Alien Vs Predator, Ghostbusters, Battletoads, MoonWalker, and Golden Axe. I think a 4 player "beatem up cab" would have been a better thing to make. I don't see anyone getting wax nostalgic for Rampage but they'd go ape ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for TMNT/TiT, Simpsons, Xmen, etc

"Final Fight" cab
Hands down the best selection of games to me. A fight and go right (Final Fight) , a slow platformer (Ghosts n Goblins) a more frantic platformer(Strider) and a shmup (1944).  If I were to buy a cab for myself this would be the one. I really don't have any complaints about this one except like the rest the number of games is very short. There are a myriad of additional games from Capcom that are 2 button 8 way games that could be added
*Final Fight also got delayed until early next year, so if I do want to pull the trigger, I'll have plenty of time to see how well the others get reviewed.



In my heart of hearts I hope they sell well and they start making "deluxe" ones that are closer to real arcade proportions. And maybe they can start releasing more complete "collections" by other venders.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on August 01, 2018, 11:10:47 am
In my heart of hearts I hope they sell well and they start making "deluxe" ones that are closer to real arcade proportions. And maybe they can start releasing more complete "collections" by other venders.

I don't understand why companies aren't putting out actual cabinets at budget prices.  We are at the point where the electronics are super cheap, cab construction is easy enough and the target audience is all grown up with actual jobs.  Sure, they would probably have to cut some corners (no CRT, particle board construction, maybe no coin door, etc.) but imagine if you could buy an actual Ms. Pac-Man or whatever else for $400.  Proper controls, proper art, etc.  Seems like a no-brainer.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 01, 2018, 11:43:27 am
In my heart of hearts I hope they sell well and they start making "deluxe" ones that are closer to real arcade proportions. And maybe they can start releasing more complete "collections" by other venders.

I don't understand why companies aren't putting out actual cabinets at budget prices.  We are at the point where the electronics are super cheap, cab construction is easy enough and the target audience is all grown up with actual jobs.  Sure, they would probably have to cut some corners (no CRT, particle board construction, maybe no coin door, etc.) but imagine if you could buy an actual Ms. Pac-Man or whatever else for $400.  Proper controls, proper art, etc.  Seems like a no-brainer.

Think it's more about logistics - figure once you get up to the weight/size that a real arcade would be you're talking a higher price than the $400 at retail - since just moving them around the distribution channel is going to cost more than the profit selling them at that price - at that weight you're talking special delivery needs all along the distribution channel for the oversize and overweight boxes it would have to come in ( or splitting the sides into pieces that would leave seems on the side of the cabinet and spliting it into several boxes rather than one ) - though I guess using a mass market retailer it could be done but then getting them on board to use the square footage it would take to display them inside the store gets expensive as well. Figure one of the main reasons these are being made the size they are is probably to keep the distribution simple (they can fit in any car rather than needing a truck/van to get it home and can be displayed/stocked in store easier.)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 01, 2018, 11:51:26 am
In my heart of hearts I hope they sell well and they start making "deluxe" ones that are closer to real arcade proportions. And maybe they can start releasing more complete "collections" by other venders.

I don't understand why companies aren't putting out actual cabinets at budget prices.  We are at the point where the electronics are super cheap, cab construction is easy enough and the target audience is all grown up with actual jobs.  Sure, they would probably have to cut some corners (no CRT, particle board construction, maybe no coin door, etc.) but imagine if you could buy an actual Ms. Pac-Man or whatever else for $400.  Proper controls, proper art, etc.  Seems like a no-brainer.

Cell phones.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2018, 12:13:33 pm
The only thing anyone wants is Ms. Pacman or Galaga.  Those TV joysticks killed that market overnight.  The 99 cent apps on the phone you already own nailed the coffin shut.

Namco has been selling home models of their reunion cabinets for years and nobody buys those either.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on August 01, 2018, 12:16:00 pm
I think the smaller size of these will be part of the appeal for civilians.  Similar to cocktail cabinets.  Yeah cocktails take up more floor space but two people can easily lift and move one.  A full-size cabinet is a bit more of an undertaking.

We have a couple of people on our Facebook group that are starting to mass produce and sell full-size cabinets.  They have authentic looking artwork and are typically based on MS Pac Man or Galaga.  There is even one in a local pizza place in our area.  They look decent enough but are running the 60-1 PCB.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 01, 2018, 12:23:45 pm
We have a couple of people on our Facebook group that are starting to mass produce and sell full-size cabinets.  They have authentic looking artwork and are typically based on MS Pac Man or Galaga.  There is even one in a local pizza place in our area.  They look decent enough but are running the 60-1 PCB.

But are they getting them licensed (evidently not if using a 60 in 1 PCB ) which makes it unlikely they will ever actually be mass producing them since the retailers are not going to attempt to sell an unlicensed product that can have distribution stopped at any time if the license holder comes forward - which is more likely to happen if they start selling enough to get attention.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on August 01, 2018, 12:46:27 pm
We have a couple of people on our Facebook group that are starting to mass produce and sell full-size cabinets.  They have authentic looking artwork and are typically based on MS Pac Man or Galaga.  There is even one in a local pizza place in our area.  They look decent enough but are running the 60-1 PCB.

But are they getting them licensed (evidently not if using a 60 in 1 PCB ) which makes it unlikely they will ever actually be mass producing them since the retailers are not going to attempt to sell an unlicensed product that can have distribution stopped at any time if the license holder comes forward - which is more likely to happen if they start selling enough to get attention.

No they are not licensed.   "Mass produced" might have been a poor choice of words on my part.  They are however posting pictures showing "tens" of cabinets at a time being prepped for sale.  Pictures of deliveries are being posted daily as well.  These are professional looking CNC built cabinets.  I've just been surprised how many of them appear to being built and sold.  Point being there appears to be a market for such things.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 01, 2018, 12:57:27 pm
In my heart of hearts I hope they sell well and they start making "deluxe" ones that are closer to real arcade proportions. And maybe they can start releasing more complete "collections" by other venders.

I don't understand why companies aren't putting out actual cabinets at budget prices.  We are at the point where the electronics are super cheap, cab construction is easy enough and the target audience is all grown up with actual jobs.  Sure, they would probably have to cut some corners (no CRT, particle board construction, maybe no coin door, etc.) but imagine if you could buy an actual Ms. Pac-Man or whatever else for $400.  Proper controls, proper art, etc.  Seems like a no-brainer.

Cell phones.

Casino games.   A lot of developer/publishers have been putting out Casino games now-a-days because it's way more profitable than targeting a home consumer market.

The other weekend I was at one of the local Casinos here in Southern Cali, and while I walking towards the Poker Room (I only play holdem', and maybe a bit of Pai Gow poker if there's a cheap enough table), I noticed a lot of familiar names. Namco, Konami, Capcom, SNK, even Atari... massive LED slot machine cabinets hosting vertical displays of familiar IP's like Pacman, Space Invaders, Frogger, Centipede, Castlevania, Silent Hill, Street Fighter, King of Fighters, and more. I was really surprised how many slot machines of Video Games there were, on top of all the TV and Movie ones.  Seems that companies have been putting out cabinets to this newer generation of gambling games, which seemed to have sneaked up on us in the last 5-10 years.
They even have great production values, cinematic sequences, crazy animations. Coin-op is definitely still alive, but you gotta be 21 and have a tendency to take risks with your money to experience it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on August 01, 2018, 01:40:52 pm
Ps. Do yourself a favour and take a look at what’s listed in this thread’s first couple of pages (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,103103.0.html). Then compare that list to this thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,142020.0.html). You’ll get what I’m saying.
That's so subjective...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 01, 2018, 02:03:21 pm
The only thing anyone wants is Ms. Pacman or Galaga.  Those TV joysticks killed that market overnight.  The 99 cent apps on the phone you already own nailed the coffin shut.

Namco has been selling home models of their reunion cabinets for years and nobody buys those either.

Well nobody buys them because they expect you to fork over 3k +shipping for games that the average joe will play for 5 minutes at the most.  And they have ugly art, ect. 

This is the first time a company has bothered to even attempt to put arcade accurate art on a cab and that's a BIG difference.  Picking the most popular game and doing the art fully was the right decision, as opposed to making some ugly hybrid art or a generic mame-style art with the company's ugly logo plastered all over it.  That's the appeal right there.  They might not be "real" but they look nice.... you wouldn't be ashamed to have one in your home.  With all the vendors over the years, even good ones like x-arcade, ect…. that's a first. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 01, 2018, 02:31:31 pm
Ps. Do yourself a favour and take a look at what’s listed in this thread’s first couple of pages (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,103103.0.html). Then compare that list to this thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,142020.0.html). You’ll get what I’m saying.
That's so subjective...
I'm not saying what's good or not. A lot of cabs in the "I completed" thread are hall of fame worthy. But just look at the effort and trends of the newer posting compared to the older ones. There was more originality in the older projects. A lot more unique themes and cabinet designs. Different techniques of construction, including cost-effective ones.

Subjectivity has nothing to do with innovation.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 01, 2018, 03:36:28 pm
Oh no.  Somebody pulled the "innovation" card.  I look forward to the all copper cab with pop rivets all over it.  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 01, 2018, 03:50:30 pm
I thought we all agreed that this is the year of no new innovation?  ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2018, 03:54:18 pm
I'm just posting to increase my post count.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 01, 2018, 04:30:01 pm
I just converted an "America's Army" to an Area 51, what do I win?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2018, 04:38:53 pm
A game that gets boring in 15 minutes and takes up 10 square feet of floor space?

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 01, 2018, 04:48:26 pm
A game that gets boring in 15 minutes and takes up 10 square feet of floor space?

The cabinet was taking up the same amount of floor space in my rape dungeon when it was a nonbooting America's army. Im gonna get the CF drive for it and make it an Area 51/Max Force , I also have a Midway Invasion board I can swap in..... I'm just getting all the cabs functional for the purge
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2018, 05:17:36 pm
Why the purge?  Making room for a nursery?

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 01, 2018, 05:23:29 pm
Why the purge?  Making room for a nursery?

First off,  don't put that evil on me. Secondly, who puts a baby nursery in a garage?

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 01, 2018, 05:34:59 pm
Eh, figure she's making you move all your mancave ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of the house and into the garage.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 01, 2018, 06:33:10 pm
Oh no.  Somebody pulled the "innovation" card.  I look forward to the all copper cab with pop rivets all over it.  ;)

Someone's gotta do it.  Besides you're mixing up innovation with theme.  I know you took a break from this place, but try to keep up.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 01, 2018, 07:08:57 pm
Eh, figure she's making you move all your mancave ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of the house and into the garage.

ugh. Mancave.  No I moved all my gameroom stuff to the garage years ago. I just dont play much of anything that much anymore. I'll probably keep 2 pins (comet and T2) and 2 vids (Multi CPS2 and MultiMVS) Im getting to old to lug this ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- around. Then again, Multi CPS2 boards have been going for a grand so they might go on the chopping block too
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 01, 2018, 07:45:21 pm
My arcade games are sitting in a cove I had built for them when I had the basement finished. Even when turned off, they add a lot to the room. All told, it's a Star Wars, Galaga and a custom mame machine. When they aren't acting right, I find it so annoying to have to repair. Right now the Galaga fire button has been sticking. It's an easy fix, but it's been not working for about 3 months. Since no one has been playing it, no worries.

For me, I see these machines going into other places like my office and the kids room. If they are decent, I might convert my Defender bartop to the same form factor.

I dunno, these games just got my arcade juices going I guess, (gross)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 01, 2018, 10:54:39 pm
Oh no.  Somebody pulled the "innovation" card.  I look forward to the all copper cab with pop rivets all over it.  ;)

Someone's gotta do it.  Besides you're mixing up innovation with theme.  I know you took a break from this place, but try to keep up.

It was a joke based upon the biker builds of American Chopper bitd.  Once again, you think you are coming off smart and end up looking silly.  Next time try to keep up. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 01, 2018, 11:39:18 pm
Thought you left...  ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 01, 2018, 11:46:30 pm
Howard, no one gets your jokes! It’s because you mainly post serious stuff. Besides, that joke is only understandable if you’ve watched American Choppers (tv show I assume? Can’t be bothered to look it up).

Seeming smart -> Silly, that’s fine, I’ll own that. I never claimed to be smart. But I pick up on things faster than your average artist. Taught myself python in the last year, pretty good code/scripting language to know these days. That’s me “keeping up”.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 02, 2018, 12:48:57 am
Oh look, it's the jackass squad come to suck the fun out of everything. 

Nephasth:  You don't like me.  We all know you don't like me, you've made it clear.  No need to stink up a thread with your snide comments.  Please stop talking to me and keep your rude comments to yourself.  I will not tolerate bullies, even sad passive aggressive ones like yourself. 

opt2not:  You don't get my jokes because they are too topical for you and you don't seem to have much pop-culture knowledge.  Oh and the first thing you do in response to a post that you don't understand is insult me.  Way to be a class act. 


Go ahead, just make a response both of you.  Kick a man when he's down and see how big it makes you feel.  I don't get much time to myself anyone and I choose to spend it here because I genuinely like most of the people here and I enjoy looking at the work they make and hearing about their next project.  It's the only thing that is giving me any joy right now and you two keep ruining it.  I'm going through a terrible ordeal right now that I don't feel comfortable sharing with everyone and I left because of your two... I won't mix words.  What's worse is that it caused me to snap at Yots before and aside from that one inappropriate comment he's been nothing but nice to me.  I won't let it build to that again.  If you two are going to keep on then I'll just leave, but know that you'll be forcing out someone who's been here since 1999 and has released dozens of free software that many people enjoy.  If you keep on, and I leave that'll be on you. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 02, 2018, 03:09:06 am
Here it goes already. Howard insults someone's intelligence, and then pulls the victim card when he gets called out on it.
Freaking grow up man. If you can't take it, then don't dish it out. Opt is right. Nobody gets your "jokes".
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 02, 2018, 03:12:39 am
My apologizes Howard I wasn’t trying to be that overtly mean, just a little razzing that came out too aggressive. We’ve clashed on discussions plenty of times before so my gut reaction is to go on the offensive. It’s true I didn’t get the joke, so I just assumed you were being antagonistic towards me, but perhaps you were actually agreeing with me because that bike turned out cool on American Choppers? I don’t know I still don’t get it, but maybe I’d have to see it ‘cause an all copper cab with pop rivets sounds cool to me. I vaguely remember seeing a cabinet like that, was it posted here? Or maybe it was on Klov... :dunno. It was ‘classic monster’ themed with a steampunk look. This was awhile ago though.
I’m sorry I constantly upset you by my comments, I’ll play nicer, I’m not trying to shoo-off anyone from the forum. Well maybe a couple people  >:D but you’re not one of them.  :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jdbailey1206 on August 02, 2018, 07:46:37 am
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 02, 2018, 08:06:59 am
a guy at pinside is buying one of each
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-arcade-games-do-you-own/page/43#post-4514185
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 02, 2018, 09:28:35 am
Pinside is exactly the dystopia that the people that ruined RGP wanted to turn RGP into.  Please stop bringing that evil here.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jdevane on August 02, 2018, 10:02:33 am
In an effort to bring this post back to the original topic, I will give my two cents on this product.

My thoughts on this machines are they are knowing shooting for a niche market.  They probably know that the diehard purist will not be interested in a 3/4 scale machine.  I can accept that.  I think what gets my attention is that for $300 dollars, I can have a Galaga machine, with good looking artwork and have something that I don't need to call someone over to help me move.  If I decide after a period I want to move on, I can, and not be to far in the hole (probably just take it to my dad's house, he loves arcades too).  I don't have a lot of space, so something cut down a bit, even if on a riser, is fine for me, because I'm trying to have a dream work where normally it wouldn't.

In my attempts to build my own machines, I never seem to finish the project because I judge my own work too hard.  (Design, artwork and finish product, I enjoy doing the programming and wiring, but I hate doing woodwork and trying to have a professional look.  I have even tried two of Haruman's kits, and when I get to the artwork design point I get frustrated because I want something original and not cheap) I like the fact I can play these with a 7 year old and one day my 2 year old.  I guess a knock on them is that you only get 2-4 games depending on the machine.   I could see some buying several kits just for the different control panels and just swapping those out while keeping just one functioning cabinet in whatever artwork they like.  I think that for $300, there will probably be a decent shot at replacing components with this cabinets with something else if someone chooses.  Unless you built a cabinet to  go the mame route, you only have a 1 game cabinet anyway, so I don't think that's a big deal.  I would rather have a couple of cabinets with the artwork, because that has a more arcade feel to me than one multicade with everything thrown into it.

Now, if they use the wrong materials on this thing and they are flimsy, this will crumble as fast as it started.  Their social media team did tell me that they would be using MDF, like real cabinets, but we all know there are also different kinds of MDF.

I am excited about this product and hope it does well.  The possibilities for cabinets is pretty extensive.  The idea of them doing maybe a NBA JAM and BLITZ would be awesome, but I'm not holding my breathe for a Blitz cabinet, as we all know the power you need to run that game.  But I'd settle for Jam and Open Ice. 

Would I buy one.. I will admit I have pre-ordered a Galaga from Walmart.  One of these media images shows a flat pack on a rack with Pac-Man and Pac-Man Plus, so I would probably go for that as well, wish it included Ms Pac though.  It just has to be yellow like an original Pac-Man!  Looks like GameStop will have a Space Invaders only machine...  I wasn't ever a big SI fan, but the artwork on the box looks pretty good!  I also looked into getting a few 12v barrel connector splitter so i could add some led light strips for accent lighting...  I think a Galaga with green glowing led light coming off the top and around the back would look cool in a dark room.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 02, 2018, 10:45:39 am
Unless you built a cabinet to  go the mame route, you only have a 1 game cabinet anyway, so I don't think that's a big deal.

But I'd settle for Jam and Open Ice. 
You can have an arcade cab running real hardware and have it play more than 1 game. Nintendo PlayChoice 10 , SNES Super System, NeoGeo, Sega STV,etc

I have a NeoGeo with a DarkSoft MultiMVS cart. I have all the games and don't have to swap carts. No emulation.
Capcom CPS2 is similar concept, but the "carts" are bigger. I have a DarkSoft MultiCPS2 , so all the games and none of the hardware swapping again no emulation.
Had a MsPac cab running legit MsPac hardware with a Mike Doyle 96 in 1 kit.
Even games that don't have carts, DVDs,etc to swap can still use a JAMMA switcher to put more than 1 game in a cab. Ironically enough I have an NHL Open Ice that also runs NBA Jam TE :)

Almost forgot, Midway did have a NBA Showtime/NFL Blitz combo called "Sports Station"a long time ago but I liked both Hangtime and Jam TE better.

All that being said, I do agree that these are an inexpensive turn key solutions and lightweight to boot.  I'm pretty sure they are running a flavor of *nix on either a pi or A13 powered board and I don't think it'll take long for them to get hacked to add more games either.
I think them selling control panels you could swap between the cabs would be brilliant, but Im 99% sure the guts are housed in the back on the monitor and not the bottom of the control panel.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 02, 2018, 11:17:53 am
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 02, 2018, 11:32:57 am
*Finally















































*if you don't include the port to the 2600 in 1981, and the myriad of ports after that
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 02, 2018, 11:49:04 am
Oh look, it's the jackass squad come to suck the fun out of everything. 

Nephasth:  You don't like me.  We all know you don't like me, you've made it clear.  No need to stink up a thread with your snide comments.  Please stop talking to me and keep your rude comments to yourself.  I will not tolerate bullies, even sad passive aggressive ones like yourself. 

opt2not:  You don't get my jokes because they are too topical for you and you don't seem to have much pop-culture knowledge.  Oh and the first thing you do in response to a post that you don't understand is insult me.  Way to be a class act. 


Go ahead, just make a response both of you.  Kick a man when he's down and see how big it makes you feel.  I don't get much time to myself anyone and I choose to spend it here because I genuinely like most of the people here and I enjoy looking at the work they make and hearing about their next project.  It's the only thing that is giving me any joy right now and you two keep ruining it.  I'm going through a terrible ordeal right now that I don't feel comfortable sharing with everyone and I left because of your two... I won't mix words.  What's worse is that it caused me to snap at Yots before and aside from that one inappropriate comment he's been nothing but nice to me.  I won't let it build to that again.  If you two are going to keep on then I'll just leave, but know that you'll be forcing out someone who's been here since 1999 and has released dozens of free software that many people enjoy.  If you keep on, and I leave that'll be on you.

My snide comments = unacceptable. Your snide comments = acceptable... When you look out, you don't see in.

And if opt and myself are "ruining" your joy... You have far bigger problems than us. It's OK, you can blame me when you take your ball and go home again. :dunno
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: TapeWormInYourGut on August 02, 2018, 12:53:33 pm
I don't see how anyone can argue that it isn't a good deal... However it's just too short for me. That alone is enough of a reason to build my own for a similar price, even if it's a lot more work.

May not be mancave material, but would be great for a your kid's room. Probably something that your kid could even help put together with practical hands-on.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: thatpurplestuff on August 02, 2018, 01:53:57 pm
I don't see how anyone can argue that it isn't a good deal... However it's just too short for me. That alone is enough of a reason to build my own for a similar price, even if it's a lot more work.

May not be mancave material, but would be great for a your kid's room. Probably something that your kid could even help put together with practical hands-on.

I agree about the kids.  I've got a 2 year old and a 5 year old and both girls love to smash on buttons, but I just always seem to have too much stuff going on to build a proper cab.  For $300 I'm hoping to have a fun little cab that the girls can help build and play... I don't expect this thing to be fantastic quality by any stretch of the imagination, but just the chance of lighting a little arcade fire under my girls is enough to make it worth the chance (and if they actually enjoy playing it, that's a huge motivation to get my butt in gear and finally build the real deal).
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on August 02, 2018, 02:03:26 pm
I don't expect this thing to be fantastic quality by any stretch of the imagination, but just the chance of lighting a little arcade fire under my girls is enough to make it worth the chance (and if they actually enjoy playing it, that's a huge motivation to get my butt in gear and finally build the real deal).

 :cheers:

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 02, 2018, 03:03:00 pm
Few words are as repulsive as "Mancave". Not surprised a publication who writes ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- like that would be jacking off over these cabinets.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 02, 2018, 03:11:35 pm
For $300 I'm hoping to have a fun little cab that the girls can help build and play...

Honestly, that's the appeal that I see. Something that parents can put together with their kids and then the kids can use.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 02, 2018, 05:57:56 pm
I don’t know I still don’t get it, but maybe I’d have to see it ‘cause an all copper cab with pop rivets sounds cool to me. I vaguely remember seeing a cabinet like that, was it posted here? Or maybe it was on Klov... :dunno. It was ‘classic monster’ themed with a steampunk look. This was awhile ago though.

Found it.  It was posted here from an external site. 
http://frankencade.blogspot.com/ (http://frankencade.blogspot.com/)

(http://www.steampunkworkshop.com/wp-content/uploads/itsalive7b.jpg)

It was cool, except for the X-arcade CP.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: 8BitMonk on August 02, 2018, 06:50:48 pm
So I guess the $100 price drop is official?

https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/2/17644012/arcade1up-cabinets-preorder-release-date-price-drop (https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/2/17644012/arcade1up-cabinets-preorder-release-date-price-drop)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 02, 2018, 06:53:56 pm
All the work put into that cabinet, and then they just slap a ---smurfing--- X-Arcade onto it. All too familiar.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Locke141 on August 02, 2018, 10:49:24 pm
I was tempted for like a minute. I can still see the appeal but after building so many BYOAC projects, I just don't need it.

The biggest appeal to this package and the bar tops going around seem to be the savings in time. After moving back to the US, I had big hopes to do an actual restore, build a cabaret with a real ms Pac-Man PCB with a multipack, or to build a consul NeoGeo MVS. The whole no longer having a house keeper and nanny any more thing is really eating up all my time. I'm hardly even on the forums any more.

On the hight, The Vigolix I built is a similar hight and my kids love it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 03, 2018, 12:31:36 am
The whole no longer having a house keeper and nanny any more thing is really eating up all my time.
:laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: romshark on August 03, 2018, 01:33:09 am
If I didn’t have a Mame cabinet, I’d think about getting one. As it stands, I can play all these on my cabinet just as well (since the Arcade1Up units are most definitely running an emulator too.) No point trying to make room for one of these. I’m already tight on space.

The cabinet designs seem OK. Not a fan of exposed bolts on the sides (unless they do get caps on them? Not sure.) I would like the marquee to light up (which this doesn’t). The artwork is cool, though.

Also bothers me about the lack of “coin-up” buttons. They’re probably like the Gameroom Classics units, where the games credit themselves as you play. I know why they do this. It wouldn’t take a genius to hook up a coin door or similar, and charge people to play these (which would violate all manner of laws.) I just prefer the coin-up myself, via real coin door, or dedicated coin button.

I’m not a fan of the volume and power switch on the control panel. They couldn’t have put that in the back or something?

Now, if they released a licensed Donkey Kong multi-cab, with a real 4-way joystick and looks close to the real cab (and plays correctly), I might have to bite. Maybe a Q-Bert with a diagonal 4-way and a real knocker unit too.

Also, size of the cabinet isn’t really an issue. The TMNT Half-Shell I built is actually a bit smaller (with a smaller 13” CRT monitor), and still plays like a dream. We’ve had no problem playing games that use the Street Fighter layout, though my control panel itself is actually a couple inches wider than the Arecade1Up specs.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 03, 2018, 01:57:56 am
Now, if they released a licensed Donkey Kong multi-cab, with a real 4-way joystick and looks close to the real cab (and plays correctly), I might have to bite. Maybe a Q-Bert with a diagonal 4-way and a real knocker unit too.

OR a 2 player dual Joystick setup with Robotron, Smash TV, Crazy Climber and Karate Champ !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: BadMouth on August 03, 2018, 06:16:08 am


The whole no longer having a house keeper and nanny any more thing is really eating up all my time.

I think about this every time I hear a wealthy person talk about time management.  Nearly all my non-working time is spent cleaning the house, cooking, working on the house, yardwork, and working on the vehicles.  All crap they most likely pay someone else to do.  If I had kids, I wouldn't have any free time.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 03, 2018, 06:48:01 am
I almost completely stopped watching TV a couple years ago. I work 70 hours a week and I still have tons of free time. TV is a time sucking whore. The only thing I watch now is the Orville with my son, and the occasional movie or TV show with my kids. I would guess on average it is about 2 hours a week. That includes YouTube. I know that won't work for everyone, but I don't miss it at all.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 03, 2018, 06:23:27 pm
I've been watching a bunch of Evo 2018's pools today, they've been really pushing the 1Up arcades in very cringe-worthy commercials. So gross.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on August 03, 2018, 06:49:22 pm
I don’t know I still don’t get it, but maybe I’d have to see it ‘cause an all copper cab with pop rivets sounds cool to me. I vaguely remember seeing a cabinet like that, was it posted here? Or maybe it was on Klov... :dunno. It was ‘classic monster’ themed with a steampunk look. This was awhile ago though.

Found it.  It was posted here from an external site. 
http://frankencade.blogspot.com/ (http://frankencade.blogspot.com/)

(http://www.steampunkworkshop.com/wp-content/uploads/itsalive7b.jpg)

It was cool, except for the X-arcade CP.

Man, that might not be a frankenpanel but it is definitely a FRANKENCAB. Yet in a good way!

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on August 03, 2018, 07:11:03 pm
I almost completely stopped watching TV a couple years ago. I work 70 hours a week and I still have tons of free time. TV is a time sucking whore. The only thing I watch now is the Orville with my son, and the occasional movie or TV show with my kids. I would guess on average it is about 2 hours a week. That includes YouTube. I know that won't work for everyone, but I don't miss it at all.

lol, who has time for TV with this hobby? It is all sh!t anyway. I haven't watched TV in months except to gauge the quality of the picture tube in a 20" CRT TV I was thinking to buy and mod - oh, and I bought a new ULED smart TV for my wife's parents last week, accidentally saw some TV while setting it up. The only Youtube I've watched is arcade-related how-to videos, not sure if that counts. I might watch some TV while doing a workout in the gym, but I haven't even done that for a few weeks (I must be getting fatter :P). But when I do watch something I usually pick something binge-worthy, grab some "popcorn" and settle in for a while, make up for lost time.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: romshark on August 04, 2018, 09:56:08 am
Well, over at KLOV, ninedayfall75 got to try one of these out.

Quote from: ninedayfall75 over at KLOV;3845814
I played one at EVO today. The screen is tiny, the controls are cheap compared to what usually comes on an SF2 cabinet, the wood is about as thin as the Midway (from what I recall), forget about two adult males playing head to head, and the screens have horrible viewing angles (like most cheap LCD screens). Not worth anywhere near $300. Even with the stand if you're 6' tall, or taller, you'll most likely have a sore back if you play for any extended period of time.

(https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showpost.php?p=3845814&postcount=63)

Still just one persons opinion/review, but I think this takes it off the radar of any "serious" arcade enthusiast, except maybe for their kids.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 04, 2018, 01:52:53 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 04, 2018, 02:45:27 pm
Yeah - for sure. That's a good looking cabinet though. That might be the best among the bunch. I think the coin door area needs some work, I don't really like the game marquee artwork there.

2 adults playing street fighter looks nice and cozy. 3 player rampage though - I'm curious how comfortable that will be.

It's crazy if you think about it. Kids could have an arcade in their room nowadays and they would probably only play it once in a while. This would have been a dream come true for me.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on August 04, 2018, 04:21:35 pm
Those dudes playing the games in that photo... they look like clones of each other, only distinguishable by the logos on their (otherwise identical) baseball caps.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 04, 2018, 07:28:42 pm
So tiny, they can't even fit the sideart on the side...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 04, 2018, 08:34:49 pm
My friend at EVO said, “they seemed decent” so that’s all I got.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: keilmillerjr on August 04, 2018, 09:47:18 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180802/a7244ea2bbcf2eb22d840f811339307d.png)

You have been able to play asteroids from the comfort of your home since 1981. :applaud:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on August 04, 2018, 10:45:24 pm
I wouldn't buy something headlined as "fatherly" or for a "mancave" just out of principle. I thought were past sexist stereotypes these days? So says the father with a mancave full of arcade stuff  :hissy:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on August 05, 2018, 02:35:45 am
All the work put into that cabinet, and then they just slap a ---smurfing--- X-Arcade onto it. All too familiar.

Crazy right? I am sure this thing tipped over and died eventually.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 05, 2018, 04:42:19 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)

wait, is that really the size?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 05, 2018, 04:44:48 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)

wait, is that really the size?

Yep -- 45.8” H x 23” D x 19” W
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 05, 2018, 04:55:03 pm
Man, the artwork is slick and these will sell, but 4 games meh. Plus so bloody small. I love the fact that they aren't huge but that seems a little tiny to me.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 05, 2018, 05:10:07 pm
19" wide is a good size. I think a 19" monitor, and minimal bezel artwork would've been nice.

Still though, it looks more comfortable than a cocktail.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on August 05, 2018, 08:27:13 pm
Lets all just buy one so we can stop bitching about them in this thread.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 05, 2018, 09:02:34 pm
Lets all just buy one so we can stop bitching about them in this thread.  :cheers:

No doubt. Lets fight about which one we will buy.

Centipede is the best, crap is the rest!

Who's with me!!?!!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 05, 2018, 09:48:58 pm
Centipede is the best, crap is the rest!

Bitches love Centipede...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on August 05, 2018, 11:39:10 pm
If you have to straddle it like that, there's no reason to have 2-3p games.  They should make it even narrower so it fits nicely in your crotch and just stick to single player games.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on August 06, 2018, 10:05:05 am
Lets all just buy one so we can stop bitching about them in this thread.  :cheers:

No doubt. Lets fight about which one we will buy.

Centipede is the best, crap is the rest!

Who's with me!!?!!

I'm with you.  The side art on the Centipede is so great. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebidee on August 06, 2018, 10:12:22 am
Go grab your power saw and cut the bottom third off and they'd make great bartops! All except the Centipede, would hate to ruin that sideart.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jeremymtc on August 06, 2018, 12:02:25 pm
Go grab your power saw and cut the bottom third off and they'd make great bartops! All except the Centipede, would hate to ruin that sideart.

Indeed. Or wall-mount the suckers like one one member here did with his homebuilt miniature cabs.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 06, 2018, 12:04:25 pm
Go grab your power saw and cut the bottom third off and they'd make great bartops! All except the Centipede, would hate to ruin that sideart.


The Centipede cabinet's side art already comes pre-sawed and ruined from the factory.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: SlammedNiss on August 06, 2018, 12:11:23 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)

As a guy in a wheelchair, I can approve of this. But I can see why others won't like the size. The sideart on some of them look ridiculous, like Galaga. That sideart looks way out of place down at the bottom. The cabinets should be redesigned so that the sideart can fit up top where it belongs.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 06, 2018, 04:00:42 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)

As a guy in a wheelchair, I can approve of this. But I can see why others won't like the size. The sideart on some of them look ridiculous, like Galaga. That sideart looks way out of place down at the bottom. The cabinets should be redesigned so that the sideart can fit up top where it belongs.

THANK YOU!!!!!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 06, 2018, 07:38:52 pm
If you have to straddle it like that, there's no reason to have 2-3p games.  They should make it even narrower so it fits nicely in your crotch and just stick to single player games.

I always straddle my arcade games to show dominance. I want'em to know who's boss.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on August 06, 2018, 07:50:16 pm
lol. Put a saddle in front of that control panel and break its spirit... and the highscore
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: bigster on August 07, 2018, 09:32:52 pm
Man they're tiny.

(https://i.imgur.com/sz8cLo6l.jpg)
The rampage 3 player looks like it would be impossible to play 3 grown people at the same time.  Maybe that is why they didn't add the fourth player for gauntlet. 

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 08, 2018, 04:25:07 pm
over at atariage, someone mentioned the deluxe atari version, with asteroids deluxe, liberator, and super breakout
 on it.

It has both Centipede and Asteroids art.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/275757-budget-atari-and-capcom-arcade-cabinets-to-see-release-this-fall/page-9#entry4086474 (http://atariage.com/forums/topic/275757-budget-atari-and-capcom-arcade-cabinets-to-see-release-this-fall/page-9#entry4086474)
https://frys.com/product/9649533 (https://frys.com/product/9649533)

it's an exclusive at frys.

(http://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_08_2018/post-39941-0-99287700-1533590147.jpg)

it's sold out now.


decent selection.

but like everyone says, wait until it comes out, and its reviewed before thinking about it.

i would't get any of them, but that's because the control panels are flat, and it would hurt my wrists.

also, the slant of the monitor on galaga is wrong, instead of vertical it should be a lot lower angled.

here's a little more technical information on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYKU3EtQZf8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYKU3EtQZf8)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 08, 2018, 04:45:46 pm

Here's a video full of no/bad information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYKU3EtQZf8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYKU3EtQZf8)

later
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FTFY.   

You owe my 7 minutes of my life back.  inaccurate info about the controls, no information about the OS, and that it uses arcade roms ;which I'm sure everyone knew.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 08, 2018, 06:38:25 pm
update on the frys exclusive.

https://frys.com/product/9649533?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG (https://frys.com/product/9649533?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)

super breakout is OUT and quantum is IN.

$499 gets you that and the riser included. (Still sold out).

the control panel has big directions and arrows for clueless people, ughh:

(http://atariage.com/forums/uploads/monthly_08_2018/post-39941-0-61539800-1533765484.jpg)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 08, 2018, 10:34:09 pm
Frys does all kinds of BS with their online inventory status, don’t read too much into that.

Decent list of games, though.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: dgrace on August 09, 2018, 12:46:15 am
Looks cool, for the price (probably need more than 3-4 games though) but i'd probably rather get the Alpha-Cade from Recroommasters which would probably cost at least $500 after adding a monitor/TV and maybe a raspberry pi3. I guess we'll see what the reviews are after it comes out.

https://www.recroommasters.com/19-Xtension-Alpha-Cade-for-Raspberry-Pi-and-PC-p/rm-xt-alpha-emulation.htm (https://www.recroommasters.com/19-Xtension-Alpha-Cade-for-Raspberry-Pi-and-PC-p/rm-xt-alpha-emulation.htm)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:39 pm
looks like there could be a possibility of some cocktail sized cabinets (not sure of the actual size):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5kQFK3avo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt5kQFK3avo)

1 street fighter 2 , with a vertical splitscreen so both can see the game
2 atari centipede - asteroids
3 space invaders
4 pac-man

i like the cocktail format, but if you play a long time, you get a hunched back,
and your wrists hurt a lot.

also the viewing angle is pretty bad.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 12, 2018, 12:25:35 am
Nice
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: romshark on August 12, 2018, 02:03:49 am
(https://media.eventhubs.com/images/2018/07/18_table01.jpg)

A licensed, official Street Fighter arcade game, in a cocktail format.

I mean, I know we've all messed around with the split-screen function in MAME for fun, but I didn't think such a thing would happen officially.

At least this is the one case where a wide-screen monitor would actually work better for a classic game, providing more picture to each player. Doesn't look like it's using a widescreen though.

Also hope it's a really good quality LCD, because viewing it from that angle looks terrible on most.

I think anyone who knows anything about screens would agree a CRT would work better for a cocktail just based on viewing angle alone. But alas, CRTs aren't even made anymore, and I highly doubt we'll ever see them in any new mass-produced product.

edit: they do look closer to real-size in the picture. Or they put smaller stools to fool people ("forced perspective," like in the Disney parks.) Need a pic or video of a person sitting down and playing it. Or someone take a picture of a real cocktail with a coffee cup and bottle of Dasani water on it to compare to the pic above.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 12, 2018, 02:20:56 am

edit: they do look closer to real-size in the picture. Or they put smaller stools to fool people ("forced perspective," like in the Disney parks.) Need a pic or video of a person sitting down and playing it. Or someone take a picture of a real cocktail with a coffee cup and bottle of Dasani water on it to compare to the pic above.

actually they look miniature sized also to me, in looking at how high up the legs the people in the back are.
they don't look like they come up to their knees.

i owned a couple of non-working cocktail cabinets before, and they were bigger.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 14, 2018, 02:34:04 pm
review of the street fighter 2 cabinet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s)


later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 14, 2018, 03:09:09 pm
review of the street fighter 2 cabinet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s)


later
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Its not a review, its an 11 minute shill.

Drinking game, every time he says "free to play" instead of free play, take a shot. You'll be dead 4 minutes in.

Here are the high lights:
"reviewer" says these cabs will outlast the originals
he prefers these to the originals because they are portable/lighter
you cant access the operator menu
you cant access monitor adjustments
No SFII Turbo.  Just SFIICE, Super and Super Turbo

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 14, 2018, 04:07:17 pm
Omfg, millennials.  I wanted to punch kittens every time he said Free to Play. It’s not a mobile game.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 14, 2018, 04:14:37 pm
Thank you for watching that video so I don't have to.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on August 14, 2018, 04:26:21 pm
Free to play*


* after $300 initial purchase
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 14, 2018, 06:08:38 pm
review of the street fighter 2 cabinet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMUD9dvcW9s)


later
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This guy actually said that you would not be able to tell the difference between this and the real thing? Lcd versus crt lmfao. 

Ah well still a no e machine, I really like the artwork.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 15, 2018, 12:53:21 pm
Oh no.  Somebody pulled the "innovation" card.  I look forward to the all copper cab with pop rivets all over it.  ;)

Steam Punk!
would have to use copper foil for counter tops, or wait until the neighbors go on vacation and steel their pipes to meltdown in my backyard forge I still need to build.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 15, 2018, 01:02:38 pm
Well despite the rerez guy's ineptitude, a lot of info could be gleamed from the review.  So in no particular order, my observations:


While it isn't arcade quality, based upon the build videos it should be fairly sturdy.

The back isn't painted, so you'd have to hope and pray that moisture doesn't get trapped between the back of the cab and the wall you put it against or it's going to warp that pressed wood.

Mono sound only and the speaker grill is in a horrible place.  You never face a speaker straight up as dust can collect in the cone.

The screw holes are visible.

Despite what he says, the lcd is too close to the bezel, probably so they didn't have to include some sort of bezel glass.

Based upon his description, the joysticks used are probably closer to a sanwa style stick instead of 'merican.

The volume control sucks (off, loud and soft?!?  WTF???)

The emulation is ok, but the software sucks as you can't even do simple things like turn on scanlines or alter the dip settings.

There will be screen tearing.  That single line on top he mentions is probably only a single line because fighting games don't really scroll the screen that much or that quickly.  While most of these games are older, single screen arcade games, it could potentially be a nightmare for the capcom machine with Strider and the like.  Then again it could be a symptom of not cropping the screen properly... I'm not familiar enough with cps emulation to really know for sure. 

That screen shimmering he mentions isn't something that inheriantly comes with lcds.... it is symptomatic  of a poor choice of video interlacing, compositing, ect. 


So yeah, not great news.  That being said I'm sure eventually you'll be able to get a good deal on these.... maybe for $200 around the holidays, and it still might be worth it for that. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 15, 2018, 01:03:22 pm


You have been able to play asteroids from the comfort of your home since 1981. :applaud:

I'm divorced with two sons.
My whole fricken house is a MANCAVE!!!!!!!!
I'll put it in the damn bathroom if I want.
I can play while on the crapper.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: dmckean on August 16, 2018, 02:00:35 am
I'm divorced with two sons.
My whole fricken house is a MANCAVE!!!!!!!!
I'll put it in the damn bathroom if I want.
I can play while on the crapper.

Damn, now I want one.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ginsu Victim on August 16, 2018, 09:47:09 am
I'm divorced with two sons.
My whole fricken house is a MANCAVE!!!!!!!!
I'll put it in the damn bathroom if I want.
I can play while on the crapper.

Please clean the control panel regularly.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 16, 2018, 10:22:18 am


You have been able to play asteroids from the comfort of your home since 1981. :applaud:

I'm divorced with two sons.
My whole fricken house is a MANCAVE!!!!!!!!
I'll put it in the damn bathroom if I want.
I can play while on the crapper.

"This arcade machine has been flagged!"   The millennials in this group won't get that reference.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on August 16, 2018, 11:05:59 am
Another SF review... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWrqkCkN18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWrqkCkN18)

These are overpriced at $300, build quality is very suspect.

- Jason
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 16, 2018, 12:30:25 pm
Love how he has to re-tighten the ball top in between rounds @ 1:35... :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on August 16, 2018, 05:39:31 pm
These are great for just about everyone but us.

I still plan on getting a couple. Already I prefer the form factor over a bartop.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 16, 2018, 07:38:02 pm
I love how he compares the audio on the cabinet to a remastered console version.

Oh well, still cool.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 16, 2018, 09:43:23 pm
I love how he compares the audio on the cabinet to a remastered console version.

Oh well, still cool.

well people are still selling retro consoles with a raspberry pi inside for $200 so I doubt they will end up with an overstock on these.
It is funny to hear them try to sell them to people.
kind of like late night infomercials where they try to sell you a new and improved spoon and show people mortally wounding themselves with regular spoons to show how awesome their product is.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mr. Peabody on August 22, 2018, 01:18:32 am

kind of like late night infomercials where they try to sell you a new and improved spoon and show people mortally wounding themselves with regular spoons to show how awesome their product is.


This forum format is so behind the times.....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 22, 2018, 08:56:29 am
Someone finally posted a youtube video with a pic of the internals for the CP and System PCB ( at least gives a couple shots of the parts around the 2:00 mark) --

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu8cQ91p_fs#)

Looks like they are using normal joystick/button wiring that runs to a control board  that then uses a ribbon cable to run the control wiring to the system board directly (mounted to the back of the monitor as expected) - so modding it with a new display and/or raspberry pi/PC shouldn't be too difficult.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on August 22, 2018, 09:31:30 am
Someone finally posted a youtube video with a pic of the internals for the CP and System PCB ( at least gives a couple shots of the parts around the 2:00 mark) --

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu8cQ91p_fs#)

Looks like they are using normal joystick/button wiring that runs to a control board  that then uses a ribbon cable to run the control wiring to the system board directly (mounted to the back of the monitor as expected) - so modding it with a new display and/or raspberry pi/PC shouldn't be too difficult.
She's hot.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 22, 2018, 09:41:30 am
She's freakin' annoying. I couldn't get through more than a minute of that garbage.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 22, 2018, 10:11:58 am
She's freakin' annoying. I couldn't get through more than a minute of that garbage.

Agreed and not really good at giving any info !! - which is why I posted that the shots of the internals is around the 2 minute mark so you wouldn't have to watch the whole thing -- It's pretty much the only video I've seen so far that shows whats inside the enclosures for the CP and the back of the monitor - so at least it has that.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 22, 2018, 10:13:42 am
This whole experience has exposed me to a world of "youtube personalities" that do nothing but look at the same website we do yet make a 10 minute video of it.  And there's tons of them.  And the production values are decent.  And they get like 50 views tops.  Although she's getting more, must be that wonderbra.

Didn't see any obvious USB ports on that PCB.



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 22, 2018, 01:15:05 pm
YouTube bugmen are the target market for these things so I expect videos of them by the thousand.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 22, 2018, 01:29:30 pm
I love that these you tubers get these free machines from the company, give a fluff review pointing out only a few minor issues to make it seem like these are unbiased objective reviews.

Saying things like “plays just like the arcade” and “looks identical to the arcade”

Ya an lcd screen looks just like the arcade wells Gardner ..........I don’t think so.

I can’t trust a word they say after that.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 22, 2018, 01:40:32 pm
This whole experience has exposed me to a world of "youtube personalities" that do nothing but look at the same website we do yet make a 10 minute video of it.  And there's tons of them.  And the production values are decent.  And they get like 50 views tops.  Although she's getting more, must be that wonderbra.

Didn't see any obvious USB ports on that PCB.

It's a dark rabbit hole my friend.  I watch youtube pretty much on my xbox one at this point and it has introduced me to the curse of "suggested videos".  You'll find there are around 30-50 youtube personalities on the tech side of things, probably 20 or so that are relevant, and they cover all the stuff we enjoy, like old video games and 80s/90s pop culture ect. 

Been thinking of monetizing my youtube page and do crappy how-to videos.  My production values would be crap, but I could surely beat a lot of them on content.

Anyway a little more can be gleamed from that 2 second wobbly-cam shot of the pcb…. the lcd driver board is most likely integrated with the pcb. :(  You can tell because there are too many wires going to the lcd.  That means if you are going to hack it, you'll most likely have to get a new monitor as well, and try finding a 17 inch, 4:3 lcd these days. 


I didn't see any obvious serial communication pins either, so it might take some time to hack the included pcb.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 22, 2018, 01:53:38 pm
If only there was a website dedicated to Building Your Own Arcade Controls.

We could just build an arcade cab the way we want instead of hacking a cheap piece of junk into an approximation of what we want.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on August 22, 2018, 02:21:24 pm
She's freakin' annoying. I couldn't get through more than a minute of that garbage.
I am allowed to look at babes at work. Just not allowed to watch them with the sound on.

If only there was a website dedicated to Building Your Own Arcade Controls.

We could just build an arcade cab the way we want instead of hacking a cheap piece of junk into an approximation of what we want.
True that. And full size.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 22, 2018, 04:08:12 pm
If only there was a website dedicated to Building Your Own Arcade Controls.

We could just build an arcade cab the way we want instead of hacking a cheap piece of junk into an approximation of what we want.

you get what you pay for, and most casual people are ok with that, and don't have the skills to build an actual cabinet.
i don't, so something that's easy to build is worth the price.

here's some short gameplay footage of:
--------------------------------------------
street fighter 2
defender
rampage
gauntlet

===========================================
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v74TM2vPgvA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v74TM2vPgvA)


street fighter 2 looks ok.

defender looks tricky with the new layout.

rampage looks cramped.

gauntlet is the 2 player rom, there wasn't a 3 player version....

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 22, 2018, 04:40:58 pm
If only there was a website dedicated to Building Your Own Arcade Controls.

We could just build an arcade cab the way we want instead of hacking a cheap piece of junk into an approximation of what we want.


Yeah, I'm glad I got to experience this place in its heyday.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 22, 2018, 05:00:18 pm
If only there was a website dedicated to Building Your Own Arcade Controls.

We could just build an arcade cab the way we want instead of hacking a cheap piece of junk into an approximation of what we want.


Yeah, I'm glad I got to experience this place in its heyday.

I no rite!! /high-five
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 22, 2018, 08:33:53 pm
Folks, you make more money than I do, and I have individual components in some of my games that cost more than these cabinets.

I'm also old enough to remember how those Williams multicabs went from crap to awesome the second it was revealed some hobbyist had done the PCBs.

But let the hate flow through you....

Good.  Goooooood.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 22, 2018, 09:04:12 pm
Here's the thing.  It might not be a stellar cabinet with a ton of romz, but you are getting a working cabinet with full side art for the price of just full side art.  I'm not running to the store to buy one, but I am interested enough to update info as it becomes available.  Feel free to ignore it if you aren't interested.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on August 22, 2018, 09:08:30 pm
I have a slightly different take on these.  The fact that they are being made at all bodes well for the continuation of interest in Arcade machines.  The world is moving on, not many people outside of our crowd give a damn about them anymore.  If stuff like this raises awareness that these things called arcades used to be around, that you physically hung out in them with your friends away from home and had good times, then yes MORE PLEASE.

My daughter buys and collects vinyl records both old and new and plays them on her turntable.  Sure she has Spotify, but she loves the analogue recordings, the physical albums.  She's no hipster either.  Get young people involved anyway you can, then teach them about the good stuff.

Viva la analogue revolución!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 22, 2018, 09:36:47 pm
Viva la analogue revolución!

On an LCD...  :P

Meh, I don't have any real opinion on these. I wouldn't buy one, but I'd probably give it a good 45 seconds of play if I came across one at a show.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 22, 2018, 09:41:43 pm
Quote
Feel free to ignore it if you aren't interested.

Feel free to ignore my comments if you are not interested.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: dmckean on August 22, 2018, 09:43:34 pm
If these were the right height and closer to the shape of the original cabs I think they could be fun as a modding platform. They cut too many corners the way they are now though.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 23, 2018, 10:57:22 am
Viva la analogue revolución!

On an LCD...  :P

Meh, I don't have any real opinion on these. I wouldn't buy one, but I'd probably give it a good 45 seconds of play if I came across one at a show.

Dave & busters near me has a multi classic cabinet with galaga, digdug and a few others I like with an LCD in the lobby.

I'm the only weirdo in the group playing that while everyone else is swiping their card for more credits on the rail shooters.
I'll take an LCD arcade cabinet over most of the games now.
except the LED frenzy game. that's fun.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 23, 2018, 01:29:56 pm
If these were the right height and closer to the shape of the original cabs I think they could be fun as a modding platform. They cut too many corners the way they are now though.

why not just get the kits from other websites (that i'm not allowed post here),
and just build your own that way.

it's already been thought of.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on August 23, 2018, 01:34:14 pm
I have a slightly different take on these.  The fact that they are being made at all bodes well for the continuation of interest in Arcade machines.  The world is moving on, not many people outside of our crowd give a damn about them anymore.  If stuff like this raises awareness that these things called arcades used to be around, that you physically hung out in them with your friends away from home and had good times, then yes MORE PLEASE.
Personally, I'd like the arcade trend cool off. Prices for cabinets, parts, pcb's have gone crazy lately, and the less people entering the collection scene the lower prices are going to go for owners to off-load their gear.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 23, 2018, 02:27:54 pm
I don't like the high prices, but I like the fact that the hobby is popular enough to where manufacturers are still selling parts.  There is always a trade-off with these things. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on August 23, 2018, 02:33:49 pm
That is a good point Howard. It would be nice if there would have been enough demand to continue manufacturing CRTs. However, it did hurt my wallet pretty good when I bought my Tempest cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 23, 2018, 02:35:01 pm
is it me, or does the spinner look kind of big on this picture..

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iJ4AAOSw78xbbQAr/s-l500.jpg)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 23, 2018, 02:37:04 pm
is it me, or does the spinner look kind of big on this picture..

Could just be the small size of the CP and cab that make the spinner look bigger !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 23, 2018, 02:39:20 pm
I saw some gameplay vids... the spinner is a tad on the large side.... about as big as the trackball hole. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 23, 2018, 03:33:19 pm
Personally, I'd like the arcade trend cool off. Prices for cabinets, parts, pcb's have gone crazy lately, and the less people entering the collection scene the lower prices are going to go for owners to off-load their gear.

Alternative is the landfill.  Which was the ultimate destination for 90% of this stuff.  Active collectors means churn and means you can actually get something.  Yeah, I miss the days of $10 JAMMA boards but so it goes.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 24, 2018, 01:23:09 am
looks like pac man, and pac man plus are coming as an exclusive to wal-mart.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM)



ms pac man is rumored to come out later on.



later

-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ginsu Victim on August 24, 2018, 10:44:25 am
looks like pac man, and pac man plus are coming as an exclusive to wal-mart.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM)



ms pac man is rumored to come out later on.



later

-1

Greedy ---daisies--- could've at least made it a proper multi-Pac.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 24, 2018, 12:28:21 pm
looks like pac man, and pac man plus are coming as an exclusive to wal-mart.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHAhMdnq-kM)



ms pac man is rumored to come out later on.



later

-1

Greedy ---daisies--- could've at least made it a proper multi-Pac.

they are rumored to have ms pac man later, and maybe a multi namco game later on.

so, nothing wrong with a dedicated pac-man game, and pac man plus isn't see very often.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: SlammedNiss on August 24, 2018, 12:42:25 pm
She's hot.

I've been a fan of hers since her SourceFed days.....  (NSFW) https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg (https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 24, 2018, 01:25:57 pm
She's hot.

I've been a fan of hers since her SourceFed days..... https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg (https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg)

Yeah i'll finish looking at this at home.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: SlammedNiss on August 24, 2018, 02:41:42 pm
Yeah i'll finish looking at this at home.

Sorry, forgot the add a NSFW tag. Added now.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on August 25, 2018, 10:01:46 am
She's hot.

I've been a fan of hers since her SourceFed days.....  (NSFW) https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg (https://www.ranker.com/list/hottest-meg-turney-photos/greg)
Thanks. Really.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 25, 2018, 05:30:31 pm
just going over the titles in my mind,
and thoughts on which versions, and which games
are really worth playing or including together.

and wondering if the title games, were actually
the best ones to go with..
===================================================================

standalones


Each one of these are 5/5 stars, but only for people
that actually are fans of those titles.
-------------------------------------

space invaders - ok, it's an iconic title, so no problems here, i don't think the sequels were worthwhile, so

no loss there, the graphic sideart looks great. so no issues there.

no, of course, they're not going to recreate the mirrored screen, and features etc.
but will it be the basic black/white, green monitor effect. hmmm.

=================================

galaga / galaxian - galaga is all time classic, so no problems there,
i didn't care for galaxian (to me it was a space invaders clone),

galaga holds up on its own
---------------------
galaga has a lot of question marks - which version will it be? what settings?

will there be a kill screen on level 255/256?
some versions continue at 0, and then level 1 again.
will the 'no shoot' bug still be in there.
obviously, the fast shoot mod option will not be there.

no idea as to which rom version it will be.

galaxian had a lot of versions too, but they
didn't really make a difference, unless they
were the super versions, or bootlegs.
==============================

pac-man / pac-man plus - another alltime greatest hit, pac-man plus is underrated to most, but to pac-man fans

its got its own unique quirks. fine with this one.

---------------------
will pac-man have the killscreen at level 256? maybe a few people will find out.
pac-man plus has one also.

there were 'new chip' versions, along with turbo ones,
but i doubt those will be considered.

namco fixed the roms and versions to allow play on some versions, so it starts
over again (but still playing the 9th key patterns).

i would actually consider getting this.... we'll see how it pans out.

=====================================
capcom fighting series 1
---------------------------

street fighter 2 series - i'm ok with all of these, it's somewhat consistent, but including the two super

versions seems redundant, ever though super turbo has the new super combo in it

street figthter 2 turbo - an alltime classic, unknown rom version
super street fighter 2 - lesser known, but adds 4 new characters, unknown rom version
super street fighter 2 turbo - lesser known, but adds super combos, unknown rom version

-----------------------------------------------------------------



williams model
----------------------------------

rampage - was never a fan of it, but in order to make this 3 player cabinet work, and have extra controls for

the other games, i guess it had to be the title one

---------------------

joust - a 2 player classic, and a great game for one player, some deep strategies for experts, most people

won't last that long in it, and it used a 2 way directional joystick (like galaga),

but can easily be played with a 4/8 way stick

i doubt this version will be the one with 'pterydactyl' hunting bug, where
you could just kill them all day long. it will probably be the fixed bug rom.

---------------------

defender - another alltime great, although with the restructuring of the buttons, will be tricky, although

again, the games difficulty will kill off most people quickly anyways, experts won't be playing this

or buying it for this, unless they alter the controls just to play it.

if anyone hits the 995k mark, to get all the free men until a million,
i would be completely shocked.

---------------------
gauntlet - another megahit, but unless you're an expert at 1 player, only 1 other player can join you, with 255

levels, it's got tons of depth, most people won't get past the first few levels


there were at least 14 rom revisions of this
some had - less food
- regualar
- different difficulties

etc. so no idea which one they will put on here.
---------------------

on paper this looks like a pretty decent 3/4 games, but considering the difficulty of them, unless you really a

certain game, or a set of them, this is a really a subpar collection

from williams, especially with the cramped controls


i would rate this as 3 out of 5 stars for game selection, based on poor controls and layouts.

============================================

atari collection 1

---------------------

asteroids - perfect choice, as a classic game, although the original vector graphics will be lost, the button

controls and boring , repetitive gameplay are all there.

yes, i don't like the game, but after getting through 4 boards, that's all there is to it, and once you master

saucer hunting, you should be able to rack up hundreds of men

and play forever.... i don't see any experts doing that.

it should be popular enough for the casual player to get it though
---------------------

major havoc - a venry unknown, and underated game. super hard to play, again all the look
of the vector display is lost here also. that plus tricky gameplay makes it hard sell.

there were a few rom revisions of this game.

supposedly a 'fixed' version of this game, is coming out next year which allows the gameplay
to end instead of looping at the end.

i doubt many players will actually even get that far.


---------------------
lunar lander - a very simple to learn, hard to play game. its very short, and has very little
replay if you don't get it at first. not very fun, and not a game that anyone would get it for.

that and the original controls are lost.

---------------------
tempest - yes, it was huge when released (but i argue it was a sign of the times, and really has no arcade

legacy besides console sequels), excellent vector graphics, which will be

lost on the lcd, and the iconic spinner... this is an underated game for gameplay, although i argue its just

space invaders all over again. no ones getting to the invisible levels,

the light blue or green any time soon (without level select), so no hardcore players will want this..... i

don't even know they included it on here, super breakout would have been
a better spinner/paddle game


there were a few early broken tempest roms that came out, that had all kinds
of cool debug things, depending on the last 2 digits of your score.

i think this will be the final fixed rom.

---------------------

this is probably the worst collection of all the games, too many games are too hard,
they don't look right, and the spinner control, if not precise, will just make things even worse.

this is probably a 1/5 star collection, with tempest being the only saving grace of them.


===========================================

atari collection 2

---------------------

centipede - an all out favorite classic and standalone game, this one could be all by itself and still sell,

great choice
---------------------


millipede - the lesser known game, and harder for new players, but easier for experts, i dont see anyone caring

for this, or getting it for this,

although its a nice throw in as a sequel
---------------------
missile command - masterpiece of a game, although its way too hard for anyone to play, unless you're a master,

you'll never get to the 0x levels, or get the hundreds of extra cities,

or even see the upper levels, so yes, it's known, but i don't any fans will get it for this

---------------------
crystal castles - an excellent, but underrated game, basically an isometric pac-man.
there's a ton of depth to this game, and most people will never get to level 10 the end.
however, its cute enough, and basic enough that people will last through the first few
levels.

it's brutally hard past level 7, especially since you can't just warp to those latter levels.
there's some longevity to it. but i don't think any dedicated fans will get it for these.

==================================================================================================
so although it looks like a 4/4 for titles, 2 out 4 aren't really that well known, and 2 of those are super

hard..



granted unless you're a centipede expert, you won't see the extra man for everything you kill glitch at 996k

either. i doubt any expert centipede players will buy this either.

there's just too much unknown in the trackball response, and playing it flat, instead of slanted. i think the

trackball might be the right size though, we'll see.

i would rate this as 4/5 stars for game choices.
since the trackball is the key here, if it is precise, it will be an excellent
collection. millipede feels redundant, marble madness would have made this an almost
instant buy (but that would require 2 trackballs for 2 player mode).

=======================================================================
atari deluxe
------------------------------
all the games from atari 1 and 2 plus

liberator
-----------------
a very lesser known inverse missile command game, not really known, and not a fan favorite.

the game has a bug that ends on level 19, and it has never been fixed. EVER.

quantum
-----------------
a lesser known, but supercool underated trackball game. kind of like a freeform qix,
except you are collecting the fuse and particles.

excellent choice for preserving a game, even though it used vector graphics.

it has never been ported, or released on its own before.

gravitar
-----------------
a super hard gravity type game, with mazes and shooting. another lesser known
title. there are some hardcore players out there.

if you can last a few minutes, then you are good. unless you are leeching
points off the select screen.

i doubt people will play this much. but if you want to master something, it has
depth to it.


asteroids deluxe
-------------------
more of the same as asteroids, except harder. yes, you can still saucer hunt,
but its way way harder. you won't be getting the overlay with this.

and if they don't cheap out, the vector graphics will be blue, instead of white
like asteroids.

again, if you don't like asteroids, you won't like this either. even with the
shields. the extra enemies make it a pain and not as minimal as the original.
(which i didn't like either).

================================
this is by far the best value, and best collection with tons of great hits,
well known titles, and variety of gameplay ranging from basic to super hard.

the mixed art of centipede and asteroids looks pretty cool on black also.

although the lesser known titles will never get much gameplay from most people.

the controls will literally make or break how its recieved, and if people will
actually be able to master any of these games.

as its currently looking, most casual players, will never see any of the extended
gameplay, deep levels, ending screens or masterful play that the standalone titles
would..




i give it a 4.5/5 stars overall
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future release
=================
capcom 1

strider
------------
strider or strider hiryu is a classic side scrolling hack and slash,
i only played it home, and never in the arcades, but it does have
appeal to fans of it, and the artwork looks great.

this is a decent choice


final fight
---------------
one of the first iconic 2 player beat em up games, that would become
a huge genre. it has a huge following, and could have actually been
the main game on its own.

good choice

1944 loop master
----------------
the 5th game in the 19xx series of vertical scrolling shooters.
i didn't even know about this game, until i saw it mentioned here.

and I LOVE SHOOTERS. this looks like a good game, but in no way
shape or form should it be here. of course 1942 is a pure classic.

heck, even 1943 or kai should be here. but nope, they stuck this on here.

very poor choice.

ghosts and goblins
------------------
an alltime classic sidescrolling adventure game, with super hard challenge.

i doubt anyone will finish the second loop, especially with the shield. its
incredibly tough. the rest of the gameplay will keep people preoccupied for
the first couple of levels.

i'm pretty sure you can continue, but if you're not that good, you will continue
to die.

you can kill of zombies for millions of points early on to gain men, but that
might be the only way to get to the real ending if you're good.

good choice.

=================================================
so overall 3/4 games are good.

i would rate this as 4/5 stars for fans of 1 or all of the other games.
good variety, and decent controls should make it an easy choice.

=============================================================================

a very mixed compilation of game releases, but who knows what they will release in the future.

if the controls hold up, a couple of these would be worth getting.
getting them for one title or series would only be worth it if you like that particular game,
and don't mind the compromises, in size, controls and screen fidelity.


later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 26, 2018, 07:17:34 pm
Mortal Kombat 1 and 2 cabinets now....

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 26, 2018, 08:05:41 pm
Yeah those are in Australia under "Arcade 1" and unlike the ones announced so far they have a 19" monitor, which is great, but the cabs aren't any bigger, so the bezels look awkwardly cropped.


I dunno…. the MK cabs are special to me... I'd want the real deal.  Not that I have room for the real deal, but still. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 26, 2018, 08:33:39 pm
the video showing the other titles from australia, are all prototypes, and not confirmed.

the website showing them posted the early pictures and information, and since they
match the prototypes in the warehouse, basically, they are not official.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 27, 2018, 04:27:41 pm
Looks like Namco is getting back in it...

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)

They've also got a version with a built in refrigerator.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 27, 2018, 04:37:23 pm
Looks like Namco is getting back in it...

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)

They've also got a version with a built in refrigerator.

Yeah but they sell them for about $1500 to $3000 instead of $299 !!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 27, 2018, 04:58:26 pm
in order to get 30 games on 1 up cabs you'd have to buy 10 of them.

10x$300...…..
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 27, 2018, 07:13:24 pm
Or throw a pi in it.  (1X40)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 27, 2018, 09:24:32 pm
Looks like Namco is getting back in it...

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)

They've also got a version with a built in refrigerator.

in between normal, coin-op size, cabaret (which is 60 inch, is that normal?), and cocktail,
they even have a bartop, although i don't like them, wonder how much it will be:

(https://www.bandainamco-am.com/games/pacmanapbartop/images/PMAP_BARTOP_CONCEPT_FLAT1.jpg)
==================================
IMPORTANT NOTE : SCREEN SHOT IS FROM A BOOTLEG ROM version, called ms pac man plus/ms pac attack.
good job namco, sheeshh.......

speaking of other formats, i wonder how much the 1up cocktail models will be

wonder how much they can bring the cost down for those, i wouldnt think by much more
than real ones,

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 28, 2018, 02:39:53 pm
Here's my encapsulation of the 1up arcade scenario:

(https://s22.postimg.cc/reb8b434x/arc1upflow1.jpg)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 29, 2018, 12:22:17 pm
Some Tempest Gameplay posted ( https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm1NUl_lPkv/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bm1NUl_lPkv/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link) )

Not looking good as far as quality of the parts on these things -- Looks like the LCD panel has terrible viewing Angles as the video colors are washed out since they film from the side and the spinner either needs some adjustment or doesn't work very well as he spins it pretty fast and it barely moves in game !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 29, 2018, 12:49:13 pm
Here's my encapsulation of the 1up arcade scenario:
What about a collector that wants the product to not cut so many corners and deliver a better experience?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on August 29, 2018, 02:31:17 pm
Best Buy finally joined the party and has the Asteroids/ Centipede deluxe 12 in 1 with the riser included for $399 ( guess they took walmarts lead and knocked the deluxe pricing down $100 ! ) -https://www.bestbuy.com/site/arcade1up-deluxe-edition-12-in-1-arcade-cabinet-atari-graphics/6288355.p?skuId=6288355

So if buying the $299 version and a $40 riser - you might want to change to a deluxe version for only an extra $60 you get 8 extra games and both the spinner and trackball.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: dmckean on August 29, 2018, 03:13:36 pm
That looks so ---smurfing--- awful.

My LCD Tempest is going to look about 1000x better when finish the cabinet.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on August 29, 2018, 03:47:16 pm
Here's my encapsulation of the 1up arcade scenario:
What about a collector that wants the product to not cut so many corners and deliver a better experience?

then you would fall under people that want to mod the controls,
if you're willing to pay extra to improve them.

and you would still have to think about it.

if not -> you fall into the do not buy category

already considered.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 29, 2018, 04:45:40 pm
Meh.  I have to say, in my opinion, the best cabinet to play these games on is the one you are playing on in 4k on a 150" wide screen with 21,000 watts of power for the sound system.  Pretty friggin awesome and hard to beat.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on August 29, 2018, 05:29:00 pm
Only way you can beat that is by fermenting soggy coke flaps into hooch.

 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on August 29, 2018, 10:48:36 pm
Here's my encapsulation of the 1up arcade scenario:
What about a collector that wants the product to not cut so many corners and deliver a better experience?

then you would fall under people that want to mod the controls,
if you're willing to pay extra to improve them.

and you would still have to think about it.

if not -> you fall into the do not buy category

already considered.

later
-1

I don't want to mod the controls though, I want the stock ones to be better.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on August 29, 2018, 11:36:04 pm
Ya, I'm kinda wondering about that as well. I spent $$$ from Groovy Game Gear to buy quality buttons and sticks for my build even though I could have easily just went on Ebay and bought junk for half the price. I'm wondering if these cabinets use quality parts. Time will tell!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on August 30, 2018, 12:12:59 am
I'm wondering if these cabinets use quality parts. Time will tell!

Why wait? The answer is "no".
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 31, 2018, 10:50:05 am
Looks like Namco is getting back in it...

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)

They've also got a version with a built in refrigerator.

Yeah but they sell them for about $1500 to $3000 instead of $299 !!

So they may actually be decent cabinets then.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on August 31, 2018, 01:01:09 pm
Only way you can beat that is by fermenting soggy coke flaps into hooch.

I ferment dollar store applejuice into hard cider. :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 31, 2018, 01:06:26 pm
Looks like Namco is getting back in it...

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)

They've also got a version with a built in refrigerator.

Yeah but they sell them for about $1500 to $3000 instead of $299 !!

So they may actually be decent cabinets then.

You get what you pay for, right?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 31, 2018, 01:35:10 pm
I dunno, anything over $500 seems like an awful lot to pay for hideous side art, a horrid cabinet profile and a ridiculous fridge in the bottom.  I don't care what your priorities are, those Namco cabs are way worse than these budget ones.... maybe for different reasons, but they are still bad. 

I mean maybe if it had a much bigger screen and a very expensive sound system...…...or maybe a fish tank instead of a fridge.
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on August 31, 2018, 01:45:55 pm
Oh, I sure as hell wouldn’t buy ANY of these offerings, but I bet you the Namco ones are sturdier than the IKEA toys.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on August 31, 2018, 01:58:23 pm
I dunno, anything over $500 seems like an awful lot to pay for hideous side art, a horrid cabinet profile and a ridiculous fridge in the bottom.  I don't care what your priorities are, those Namco cabs are way worse than these budget ones.... maybe for different reasons, but they are still bad. 

I mean maybe if it had a much bigger screen and a very expensive sound system...…...or maybe a fish tank instead of a fridge.

If their profile is horrid then the original Namco profile was horrid. And it's not like every offering has the stupid fridge.

https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71 (https://www.bandainamco-am.com/game.php?gameid=71)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on August 31, 2018, 02:18:42 pm
Yeah it was pretty bad even back in the day.  I think that's based on Ms. Pac man, which didn't have a good profile.  Now regular pac-man sure, it looks great..... but that upper curve on the top of the cab just looks odd on the sequel.  Mind you Midway's killer Ms. Pac side art saved it.  I take points off for the fridge for even allowing that option. 


Yots I don't really think a unit made for home use needs to be all that sturdy..... unless you are going to have children play with it... they are the destroyer of worlds. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 03, 2018, 09:08:00 am
So, I was checking my CL notifications this morning and there is a guy in my area selling arcade1up cabs for $500.  He has a few pre-ordered and they will be for sale for that markup once he gets them in.  I guess he doesn't have anything to lose, if they don't sell he can return them.  I can't imaging demand for these will be high enough to warrant a re-sale markup, but we will see...  :banghead:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 03, 2018, 10:53:43 am
So, I was checking my CL notifications this morning and there is a guy in my area selling arcade1up cabs for $500.  He has a few pre-ordered and they will be for sale for that markup once he gets them in.  I guess he doesn't have anything to lose, if they don't sell he can return them.  I can't imaging demand for these will be high enough to warrant a re-sale markup, but we will see...  :banghead:

THere's a bunch listed on Ebay etc. also figure they'll probably sell a few - figure a lot of people will not have even heard of these and will not realize the retail price is now $299 - So for $500 for an arcade game setup with 4 games for their kids Xmas present they'll think it is a decent buy (then they'll find out they overpaid afterwards ! ) -- Then if they do happen to sell out the initial shipments (since we don't know how many they are shipping) and it looks like they will not get resupplied from China before the end of the year the demand may increase over the holiday - So like you say no real loss if it doesn't happen since he can return it and there is the possibility it sells out and he can make a few $100 - whether it is worth the time and effort  :dunno
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mr. Peabody on September 04, 2018, 07:47:27 am
Get young people involved anyway you can, then teach them about the good stuff.



The only benefit I can see is if it leads to re-opening of CRT factories......
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 04, 2018, 11:20:05 am
Get young people involved anyway you can, then teach them about the good stuff.



The only benefit I can see is if it leads to re-opening of CRT factories......

Which won't happen, so there is no benefit.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on September 04, 2018, 07:02:17 pm
Get young people involved anyway you can, then teach them about the good stuff.



The only benefit I can see is if it leads to re-opening of CRT factories......

Which won't happen, so there is no benefit.

So what you're saying is, a future with no arcade machines being built is preferable to a future with LCD based ones?  Well done!   :applaud:  ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 05, 2018, 12:27:10 am
Get young people involved anyway you can, then teach them about the good stuff.



The only benefit I can see is if it leads to re-opening of CRT factories......

Which won't happen, so there is no benefit.

So what you're saying is, a future with no arcade machines being built is preferable to a future with LCD based ones?  Well done!   :applaud:  ::)

Oh I forgot these piles of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- are the only arcade cabinets on earth still being sold.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 07, 2018, 02:31:53 pm
a more detailed review from people that actually know arcade machines,



..apparently centipede came out the 'best:

tempest not so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfnczdcICY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkfnczdcICY)



later

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 07, 2018, 02:39:42 pm
Well, I give them credit for marketing the absolute ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of these things amongst youtube personalities.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 07, 2018, 03:52:50 pm
Well, I give them credit for marketing the absolute ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of these things amongst youtube personalities.

Yep - cheapest way to get a bunch of people talking about them and should help them sell quite a few units before release day ( figure all it cost them is the shipping and material costs for a couple handfuls of units shipped out to several YT reviewers ) - and then will probably also get even more coverage of the actual game play after release to drive even more sales (assuming they do actually play/look decent and fill the need for their target market) - much cheaper than paying for producing and airtime on a few tv spots for the same period of time and reaches a larger audience.

FIgure they are not a new company that is unfamiliar with this type of product - but actually a susidiary branch of Tastemakers LLC which has done several products already including Hatchimals - lots of Rock and Roll licensed collectibles with the biggest names in Rock n Roll. The roster of artists includes AC/DC, KISS, Aerosmith, Iron Maiden and Motorhead. - Secret Life of Pets - Kawaii Cubes - etc.

So they already have the distribution channel setup to get into the major retailers and the supply chain contacts to get the product manufactured - And they already have a lot of the licensing signed up with major producers ( which is why they limited the size of these products - since that was the max size they could produce with their existing licenses avoiding having to renew the licensing which would have increased the pricing ( IIRC they also have the subsidiary that produces the Tiny Arcade line of products so have licensing in place for them already that they are able to reuse for miniature cabinets but not full size cabinets ! )
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 07, 2018, 04:12:33 pm
Well, I give them credit for marketing the absolute ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of these things amongst youtube personalities.

i don't give them any credit,

i've never heard of these people, and with 279 views, that makes them celebrities.

i have no idea where you get that thought from.

these are no-name people.

people probably know you better than them.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 07, 2018, 04:24:33 pm
these are no-name people.

Actually they are a subsidiary of Tastemakers LLC as noted above - so have quite a bit of experience and a lot of contacts in the market including the ability to get products into the major distributors and retail outlets and plenty of contacts in the manufacturing of this type of product including several factories in Hong Kong to get plenty of them produced and shipped to the retailers - they just have not publicized it.

Link to tastemakers website -- http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html (http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 07, 2018, 04:56:24 pm
First result when I search "Arcade 1Up" on Youtube has 94k views.  Is that sufficient?

 ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 07, 2018, 04:58:22 pm
these are no-name people.

Actually they are a subsidiary of Tastemakers LLC as noted above - so have quite a bit of experience and a lot of contacts in the market including the ability to get products into the major distributors and retail outlets and plenty of contacts in the manufacturing of this type of product including several factories in Hong Kong to get plenty of them produced and shipped to the retailers - they just have not publicized it.

Link to tastemakers website -- http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html (http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html)

are you talking about the company selling the 1up arcade machines, or the people reviewing them.

i was talking about the people in the last review:
The history of Arcade Repair Tips starts in 2001 when Tim Peterson and Jonathan Leung launched one of the first MAME machine related web sites (known as Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page). In 2002, Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page was relaunched as Tim’s Arcade Restoration Web Site (http://www.timsarcade.net (http://www.timsarcade.net)) and was expanded to include Arcade Restoration Projects that Tim and Jonathan had performed.

these aren't really big name people.

thats what i meant.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 07, 2018, 05:02:30 pm
these are no-name people.

Actually they are a subsidiary of Tastemakers LLC as noted above - so have quite a bit of experience and a lot of contacts in the market including the ability to get products into the major distributors and retail outlets and plenty of contacts in the manufacturing of this type of product including several factories in Hong Kong to get plenty of them produced and shipped to the retailers - they just have not publicized it.

Link to tastemakers website -- http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html (http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html)

are you talking about the company selling the 1up arcade machines, or the people reviewing them.

i was talking about the people in the last review:
The history of Arcade Repair Tips starts in 2001 when Tim Peterson and Jonathan Leung launched one of the first MAME machine related web sites (known as Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page). In 2002, Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page was relaunched as Tim’s Arcade Restoration Web Site (http://www.timsarcade.net (http://www.timsarcade.net)) and was expanded to include Arcade Restoration Projects that Tim and Jonathan had performed.

these aren't really big name people.

thats what i meant.

later
-1

Oh -- I ( and I believe PBJ also) was talking about arcade1up and them using the YT channel for publicity not the YT reviewers they were using specifically !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 07, 2018, 05:17:05 pm
If you like one video about these cabinets, you will be slammed with new videos.  Reviews have been popping up daily for almost a month.  I don't know any of these people from Adam but clearly they are flooding Youtube personalities with free cabinets.  I'm kind of surprised none of these people know how to work a screwdriver and crack one of them open... but soon.



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 07, 2018, 05:35:38 pm
these are no-name people.

Actually they are a subsidiary of Tastemakers LLC as noted above - so have quite a bit of experience and a lot of contacts in the market including the ability to get products into the major distributors and retail outlets and plenty of contacts in the manufacturing of this type of product including several factories in Hong Kong to get plenty of them produced and shipped to the retailers - they just have not publicized it.

Link to tastemakers website -- http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html (http://www.tastemakersllc.com/arcade1up.html)

are you talking about the company selling the 1up arcade machines, or the people reviewing them.

i was talking about the people in the last review:
The history of Arcade Repair Tips starts in 2001 when Tim Peterson and Jonathan Leung launched one of the first MAME machine related web sites (known as Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page). In 2002, Tim’s MAME Machine Web Page was relaunched as Tim’s Arcade Restoration Web Site (http://www.timsarcade.net (http://www.timsarcade.net)) and was expanded to include Arcade Restoration Projects that Tim and Jonathan had performed.

these aren't really big name people.

thats what i meant.

later
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Oh -- I ( and I believe PBJ also) was talking about arcade1up and them using the YT channel for publicity not the YT reviewers they were using specifically !

right. ok.
yes, the company has gotten it to a few people, that have followers.

but that doesn't really help, since most of the people aren't the target audience anyways.

maybe the rerez person is, but most of them are not real gamers or enthuasiasts.

those outnumber the other people, and the majority of those only have hundreds of hits or less.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 07, 2018, 05:39:19 pm
If you like one video about these cabinets, you will be slammed with new videos.  Reviews have been popping up daily for almost a month.  I don't know any of these people from Adam but clearly they are flooding Youtube personalities with free cabinets.  I'm kind of surprised none of these people know how to work a screwdriver and crack one of them open... but soon.

there have been about 3 'real' reviews, and i know, because i've been posting some of them here.
- the one with the puppet
- the rerez one
- the chick that actually did open up the cabinet and show the insides

- random view from other conventions, meetings, and just resposting previous ones.

i hardly would call that flooding anything, unless thats what you mean.

the rest are all just chaff about pricing, availability, etc.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on September 07, 2018, 05:58:50 pm
They will sell well initially even though they are poorly built, it seems likely that they will end up breaking in decent numbers (especially with many buying them for young children).

Negative feedback could very well end their attempt to bring 'Arcade' to the masses before they get a chance to bring all the other designs to market.

Hopefully the parent company is prepared for when their cost cutting measures come to light through normal channels (like Best Buy/retailer customer reviews).

- Jason
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 08, 2018, 12:46:14 pm
skip to the 3:00 min mark, to see someone that was able to pick up the centipede unit today from walmart.

sound is pretty good. gameplay shows some missie command, looks weird and cramped on the vertical screen.
(and yes the video is portrait also, ugghhh).

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=316&v=XhNuxU6jygc#)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 08, 2018, 02:34:14 pm
Looks ok, but I won't be able to tell anything until I can play one in person.... the feel is everything.  I've got a theory that people who do videos for youtube in portrait mode ate paint chips as a child. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 12, 2018, 11:01:46 am
quite a lot of little pieces of information
about them.

most of it bad.


===================
as far as the asteroids guy goes
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsQZDYPPtKl3ihf5YTZmN2A (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsQZDYPPtKl3ihf5YTZmN2A)
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the size compared to an arcade machine - expected



the screen actually looks decent and doesn't have a blue tint.



so the quality of the parts is less - given



the control panel wears out quickly since its not covered or treated - typical



the spinner is just a 'dial' - figures



so that rules out - tempest, and major havoc playing well



he didnt mention how asteroids or lunar lander plays, or how the buttons feel.





centipede guy
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEHBE1PwQJiBNrWgen3cHPg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEHBE1PwQJiBNrWgen3cHPg)
------------------

real arcade control panels get marked up too, but not as quickly



the high score save not working is weird, but not really that big a deal,

since most of these guys don't really care anyway.



believe it or not, i do care about them, but if a game doesn't save them,

that doesn't bother me.



==========================================================



a very mixed bag.



later

-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 12, 2018, 02:13:26 pm
Newsflash -  cheap crappy arcade toys are cheap and crappy, film at 11, er- on YouTube
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 12, 2018, 07:43:06 pm
man... I think these look so cool. I might buy on 4 of them for my kids playroom.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 12, 2018, 09:00:47 pm
man... I think these look so cool. I might buy on 4 of them for my kids playroom.

You do that and let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 13, 2018, 12:47:47 am
man... I think these look so cool. I might buy on 4 of them for my kids playroom.

You do that and let us know how it goes.

kids should be fine with it.

its the right size for them, and they're not picky about details.

the real issue will be losing interest in the games (except maybe the multiplayer ones).

retro games tend to be repetitive and sometimes have a hard difficulty curve.


i'm sure the same thing will happen with a lot of adults.
they will play them for awhile, and then they will collect dust.


i have an arcade machine in my garage, i played it like crazy for a few weeks back in 1996.

i think i've played it maybe 40-50 times seriously since then. it's been in the garage now for
about 6 years, and i've played it about 10 times there.

i'm going to bring it out, and move inside, and then i will probably play it more.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 13, 2018, 12:58:16 am
i'm going to bring it out, and move inside, and then i will probably play it more.

Maybe, but I highly recommend that wherever you put it, it doesn't take valuable space in the room. They way I have mine now, they add to the overall vibe of the room, like a decoration. I had them in a more prominent area at first, but after a while, I felt they were taking up space, and not being used. Now,
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 13, 2018, 10:36:51 am
Looks like they couldn't get enough stock to fill all the pre-orders and still have stock for the stores for the sept 25th launch date -- SO have pushed the release date back to Oct. 16th !!

https://www.facebook.com/Arcade1UpOfficial/photos/a.397920000704032/477339312762100/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/Arcade1UpOfficial/photos/a.397920000704032/477339312762100/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 13, 2018, 11:32:41 am
" this move by your company is a slap in the face to your early adopters...or I guess now we're "Want to be" early adopters."

 :laugh2:

God this hobby is full of manchildren.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 13, 2018, 01:06:43 pm
Yeah you'd think that people wanting a product would be glad it's successful, thus ensuring the company will keep selling/supporting said product.  I guess that would make too much logical sense for the internet. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 13, 2018, 01:25:57 pm
Yeah you'd think that people wanting a product would be glad it's successful, thus ensuring the company will keep selling/supporting said product.  I guess that would make too much logical sense for the internet.

Exactly -- also at least they did something and actually let everyone know what was going on - rather than just keep the launch date and not have any in the stores to pick up and having people get notified on release day that their pre-order has been delayed while still having them out in stores for sale !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 13, 2018, 01:49:21 pm
Yeah you'd think that people wanting a product would be glad it's successful, thus ensuring the company will keep selling/supporting said product.  I guess that would make too much logical sense for the internet.

Exactly -- also at least they did something and actually let everyone know what was going on - rather than just keep the launch date and not have any in the stores to pick up and having people get notified on release day that their pre-order has been delayed while still having them out in stores for sale !

so far, they've been pretty good on the PR front.

also, people have been getting emails about it also, so it's not like they
were going to be blindsided anyways.

at least they doing well in that area.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 13, 2018, 09:19:34 pm
'supposedly', the meg chick that was showing off the internals

has said that as of last week, (no video yet), that they've

managed to hack the 1up arcade machine to use

pi in it.

 

no other details, guess we'll have to see what was done,

what controls can be altered, and other mods.

later

-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 14, 2018, 09:34:53 am
Hacking a pi or small computer or xbox in there will not be a problem.  Controls can be spiced into a zero delay and then its just a matter of getting video to the monitor.  Or even replacing the monitor with a "free" Dell 17".  Thats never been in question.  I ordered the Walmart Galaga so I could play around with it.  If I like the form factor and looks of it, I will mame it up with a old computer and a small selection of vertical 4 way games.  Probably change out the joystick eventually as well if the one in there is crap.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on September 14, 2018, 10:15:24 am
the only redeeming quality of these "cabs" was the licensed ROMs. You take that away and its just a ---smurfy--- mass produced MAME box.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 14, 2018, 10:31:10 am
It boots quickly and has a nice menu.  Something nobody can figure out how to do with a Pi.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 14, 2018, 11:11:12 am
the only redeeming quality of these "cabs" was the licensed ROMs. You take that away and its just a ---smurfy--- mass produced MAME box.

I understand where you are coming from.  But I don't agree, at least not until I have one in my possession to see for myself.  For most folks (non-hobbyists) these machines are a novelty or a kids toy, and for $300 they are a decent deal. 

For someone who can build their own, like myself, I want to see if the form factor and appearance will be good enough as a platform to mod.  Sure I can build something like this on my own, but that does come with a time commitment on my end and a material cost close to the price of one of these machines (of which the art package is the biggest cost).  If I find the form factor and construction reasonable, I could use these as a platform to mod - I have friends and family that are always asking me to build them a machine.  These things may be a great platform to start with.  No sawdust flying, no ordering and installing art, not design time, just some quick mods and off you go.

I am not going to pass final judgement until I have one in my possession.  If it sucks, I can return it.  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Richardgregory on September 14, 2018, 11:35:30 am
For that price and the build...although quality needs to be seen, it's a no brainer!

I wonder if it's just available in US?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on September 14, 2018, 11:43:44 am
I understand where you are coming from.  But I don't agree, at least not until I have one in my possession to see for myself.  For most folks (non-hobbyists) these machines are a novelty or a kids toy, and for $300 they are a decent deal. 

For someone who can build their own, like myself, I want to see if the form factor and appearance will be good enough as a platform to mod.  Sure I can build something like this on my own, but that does come with a time commitment on my end and a material cost close to the price of one of these machines (of which the art package is the biggest cost).  If I find the form factor and construction reasonable, I could use these as a platform to mod - I have friends and family that are always asking me to build them a machine.  These things may be a great platform to start with.  No sawdust flying, no ordering and installing art, not design time, just some quick mods and off you go...

Well no, you don't see where I'm coming from. The fact  I could build a better machine cheaper has nothing to do with what they are selling.

Excusing poor build quality because its "a toy" is disingenuous.  The form factor is terrible.  Its too small to be a bartop, too tall to be a real machine the pedestal is a joke because its still too short. LCD viewing angles are abysmal , not a big deal for the head on fighters but a potential big issue for the outer players on Rampage. Speaking of Rampage, shoe-horning that game into the existing formfactor (and making the other games included 2 player) doesn't work well at all. They should have just left it a 2 player cab.

The components being connected the way they are also seems short sighted. Why not use regular power and VGA cables for the monitor?

If you consider this a great starting point, well, we're just not going to see eye to eye on that. Its cost prohibitive to spend $300 on a shell that you need to replace everything inside on. The monitor, electronics, and controls all need upgraded. All of your positives can be filed under lazy or "the same as converting any other existing cab"

Im not saying they aren't worth $300 , I'm saying they have a lot of shortcomings that everyone is dismissing and validating for terrible reasons. The cabs are flying off the shelves , so I just hope they take some of that money and make the next round of cabs better.



RG: I disagree with it being a no-brainer. $300 is still a good chunk of change. I know they are available in Canada as well, outside of that I dont know where else they'll be sold.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 14, 2018, 01:43:52 pm
*sigh*   You are paying $300 for "just a shell" that has nice artwork on it.... artwork that would cost the price of said shell if you were to build it yourself.  Full-length sideart is prohibitively expensive..... I don't understand why some of the old timers around here don't get that.   

I can whip up a decent cab for a couple of hundred bucks, but it's going to have parts express black vinyl on it at best because a full artwork package is 300 bucks.
  Now if you don't care about artwork I can certainly understand why you think this is a ripoff, but if you do....   I also have concerns about the quality, the emulation and various other things and when push comes to shove I'll probably pass on these, but to dismiss them just because you don't want them personally seems silly.   
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 14, 2018, 02:05:00 pm
*sigh*   You are paying $300 for "just a shell" that has nice artwork on it.... artwork that would cost the price of said shell if you were to build it yourself.  Full-length sideart is prohibitively expensive..... I don't understand why some of the old timers around here don't get that.   

I can whip up a decent cab for a couple of hundred bucks, but it's going to have parts express black vinyl on it at best because a full artwork package is 300 bucks.

The artwork can actually be had for quite a bit less than $300 -- for example here is a seller on Ebay that has several of the same sets 1up is releasing for about $80 a set ( 2 sides, Kick PLAte, Marquee, CPO) and they will do custom sizes if you contact them. -- ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/GALAGA-Arcade-Cabinet-Graphics-For-Reproduction-Marquee-CPO-Side-Art-Kickplate/163253743767?hash=item2602ae7097:g:dKkAAOSw4shYAQ27 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/GALAGA-Arcade-Cabinet-Graphics-For-Reproduction-Marquee-CPO-Side-Art-Kickplate/163253743767?hash=item2602ae7097:g:dKkAAOSw4shYAQ27) )
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Richardgregory on September 14, 2018, 02:08:09 pm
I'm thinking from an audience perspective that these CABs are more tailored for kids, which then again not sure whether they prefer their WII/X/PS4 anyways, so maybe these things won't sell to certain folks like us here.
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 14, 2018, 02:08:36 pm
Maybe I’d agree if they did some sort of scaling to the artwork, but slapping it on the side without taking the form factor into account seems lazy. Look at how it’s on the Centipede and Galaga. I dunno, that doesn’t appeal to me personally.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 14, 2018, 02:58:38 pm
If you consider this a great starting point, well, we're just not going to see eye to eye on that. Its cost prohibitive to spend $300 on a shell that you need to replace everything inside on. The monitor, electronics, and controls all need upgraded. All of your positives can be filed under lazy or "the same as converting any other existing cab"

I think "the same as converting any other existing cab" is a bit closer to my reasoning so lets examine this.  I have converted a few cabs.  The bargain $100 cabs are usually roached and require, at a minimum, some wood repair, repainting, and some sort of art replacement (marquee, cpo, side art, or some combination of the three).  So you are probably at or above $300 once you have that bargain cab ready for controls, monitor, computer.  You also have some time commitment to do all this work.  On the other hand, I can order one of these cabs, spend 20 minutes screwing it together, and get right to the mods.  Again, it all depends on how I feel about it once I get my hands on one.  But if I like the arcade1up machine, its going to be a no brainer for me to use one of these as a starting platform vs. dealing with sourcing, picking up, cleaning, and refurbishing a donor cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on September 14, 2018, 03:16:15 pm
If you consider this a great starting point, well, we're just not going to see eye to eye on that. Its cost prohibitive to spend $300 on a shell that you need to replace everything inside on. The monitor, electronics, and controls all need upgraded. All of your positives can be filed under lazy or "the same as converting any other existing cab"

I think "the same as converting any other existing cab" is a bit closer to my reasoning so lets examine this.  I have converted a few cabs.  The bargain $100 cabs are usually roached and require, at a minimum, some wood repair, repainting, and some sort of art replacement (marquee, cpo, side art, or some combination of the three).  So you are probably at or above $300 once you have that bargain cab ready for controls, monitor, computer.  You also have some time commitment to do all this work.  On the other hand, I can order one of these cabs, spend 20 minutes screwing it together, and get right to the mods.  Again, it all depends on how I feel about it once I get my hands on one.  But if I like the arcade1up machine, its going to be a no brainer for me to use one of these as a starting platform vs. dealing with sourcing, picking up, cleaning, and refurbishing a donor cab.
Yet, in the end you're stuck with a cabinet that looks like a Walmart special, as opposed to a cabinet that is an actual arcade machine. Apples are not Oranges.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 14, 2018, 03:26:56 pm
$300 cash in hand for nice condition real arcade machines.

 ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 14, 2018, 03:29:52 pm
Yet, in the end you're stuck with a cabinet that looks like a Walmart special, as opposed to a cabinet that is an actual arcade machine. Apples are not Oranges.

Indeed.  But it depends on whether you are an orange person or apple person which is better.  My brother, for example, is interested in a cab for son's play room.  My nephew is 9, and likes to play on my mame cab when he visits.  For around $400 after I make my mods, he can have a lightweight, easy to move, clean, new cab for the play room.  I would humbly suggest that for his needs, an apple may be better than an orange.

I have two converted cabs, both which cost me a lot more than $400 to build out.  They are heavy, hard to move around, and took a lot of work on my part to get them to look authentic.  They work for me as I have them in my basement bar area and the size, time commitment to build, and overall cost were well worth it for my uses.  So I guess I am an orange guy... :)

Can't apples and oranges co-exist? 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 14, 2018, 04:15:26 pm
I like'em. Why not? Someones making a licensed retro arcade machine..... that's great!

I don't think I could build a cabinet for less than $300 and if I could come close, it would be because I already have the tools and perhaps some of the parts available. I certainly have been around enough to know what I would do about all the decision points: what software, what hardware, etc.

These take an hour to put together, powering on/off the unit most likely won't corrupt some fragile underlying software, and the price point isn't outrageous. Hopefully they sell well and they produce more options.

I dunno. Maybe I'm not being cranky enough but I think these little machines are fun.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 14, 2018, 04:20:10 pm
*sigh*   You are paying $300 for "just a shell" that has nice artwork on it.... artwork that would cost the price of said shell if you were to build it yourself.  Full-length sideart is prohibitively expensive..... I don't understand why some of the old timers around here don't get that.   

I can whip up a decent cab for a couple of hundred bucks, but it's going to have parts express black vinyl on it at best because a full artwork package is 300 bucks.

The artwork can actually be had for quite a bit less than $300 -- for example here is a seller on Ebay that has several of the same sets 1up is releasing for about $80 a set ( 2 sides, Kick PLAte, Marquee, CPO) and they will do custom sizes if you contact them. -- ( https://www.ebay.com/itm/GALAGA-Arcade-Cabinet-Graphics-For-Reproduction-Marquee-CPO-Side-Art-Kickplate/163253743767?hash=item2602ae7097:g:dKkAAOSw4shYAQ27 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/GALAGA-Arcade-Cabinet-Graphics-For-Reproduction-Marquee-CPO-Side-Art-Kickplate/163253743767?hash=item2602ae7097:g:dKkAAOSw4shYAQ27) )


I get what you are saying, but Galaga doesn't have full side art, it has a sticker on the side.  I can get several capcom kits for less than 100 as well because they don't have full side art.  A better example would be centipede:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-Set-Side-Art-Arcade-Cabinet-Centipede-Artwork-Decals-Restoration/323400709929?hash=item4b4c2f3729:g:QqMAAOSwke9aFa-b (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Full-Set-Side-Art-Arcade-Cabinet-Centipede-Artwork-Decals-Restoration/323400709929?hash=item4b4c2f3729:g:QqMAAOSwke9aFa-b)


That's a cheap-o set and it's still 200 bucks... and it's from Belgium, which, no offense if anyone lives there from the forums, I don't know if that's a good sign or not.

I want a nice tiny machine to play trackball games on.  I think the centipede looks nice and if I find one on sale I might get one.  I'm perfectly capable of building a white box for it to sit on and I probably have enough scrap lying around to where it won't cost me anything.  I certainly understand people not wanting one, but I don't get the hate. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on September 14, 2018, 04:38:25 pm
*sigh*   You are paying $300 for "just a shell" that has nice artwork on it.... artwork that would cost the price of said shell if you were to build it yourself.  Full-length sideart is prohibitively expensive..... I don't understand why some of the old timers around here don't get that.   
I bought the entire open ice art package for like $160 shipped and it included a backlit translight, 2 pieces of full side art (slightly over sized to ensure it fit), and a poly carb coated CPO. Midway cabs are significantly larger than these 1up cabs. Even got 2 copies of the monitor bezel instruction card ; and this wasn't from Ken either, so I didn't get a friend discount. I could probably get cheap Chinese prints for like $50 shipped.

I think "the same as converting any other existing cab" is a bit closer to my reasoning so lets examine this.  I have converted a few cabs.  The bargain $100 cabs are usually roached and require, at a minimum, some wood repair, repainting, and some sort of art replacement (marquee, cpo, side art, or some combination of the three).  So you are probably at or above $300 once you have that bargain cab ready for controls, monitor, computer.  You also have some time commitment to do all this work.  On the other hand, I can order one of these cabs, spend 20 minutes screwing it together, and get right to the mods.  Again, it all depends on how I feel about it once I get my hands on one.  But if I like the arcade1up machine, its going to be a no brainer for me to use one of these as a starting platform vs. dealing with sourcing, picking up, cleaning, and refurbishing a donor cab.
The problem with examples like this is its more often than not based on worst case scenario. There's no point in picking up a $100 "donor cab" and dumping $200 into it if you can get a fresh one CNC'ed for half the price. At most I've spent maybe $50 fixing up a busted cab, scrap wood, bondo, and paint isn't that expensive. But lets use these 1up cabs as a base. Let's say I spend $300 on the cab, I still have to replace the knock off sanwa controls, tiny LCD, and if I want to play more than 3 games, the guts. After I do all that Im still stuck with a cab that has a bad formfactor even with a booster seat, and a marquee that doesn't light up.

I'm not saying these aren't great for a 9 year old that only wants to play 3 or 4 games; I'm saying its a minimal effort release with real world short comings that are consistently dismissed because , well, I don't know why, but everyone does it.

Your argument is still based on me being a builder. Nothing Ive said has nothing to do with my building a better one cheaper.



Lew, I dont know anyone who dislikes the concept, just the execution. $300 price point for a cab that size is easily achievable using the same cheap materials. An eBay special Pandora controlpanel is $110 shipped so all you need is a monitor and some 1/2" melamine chip board and youre done. These better take closer to 15 minutes to put together, and there are a myriad of options to power a cab that wont get corrupted by a power cycle or limit you to 4 games.  I hope Im not coming off as cranky, Im just being a realist. I love the idea but they just seem to be made as cheap and fast as possible, right down to the lack of scaling on the side art. Just a little refinement and these things could have been awesome. Hell make a bigger one for $50 more and call it the 1UpXL /shrug.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 14, 2018, 04:58:10 pm
Hell make a bigger one for $50 more and call it the 1UpXL /shrug.

That's the spirit! Plenty of room for version 1 updates!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 14, 2018, 05:11:10 pm
Im not saying they aren't worth $300 , I'm saying they have a lot of shortcomings that everyone is dismissing and validating for terrible reasons. The cabs are flying off the shelves , so I just hope they take some of that money and make the next round of cabs better.

RG: I disagree with it being a no-brainer. $300 is still a good chunk of change. I know they are available in Canada as well, outside of that I dont know where else they'll be sold.

they will also be sold in europe and australia i think.

they've already committed to some new cabinets next year.

i think they had prototypes of bartops, and they definitely have some cocktail cabinets coming out.
(no price on those yet)

i don't know anyone that's interested in those, they are terrible ergonomically to play games, weigh a lot,
and require a lot of space to place.

that being said, i owned two non-working ones several years ago, a ms pac man, and gyruss one, and only
used them as tables. never got around to fixing them up.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 14, 2018, 05:15:23 pm
I get what you are saying, but Galaga doesn't have full side art, it has a sticker on the side.  I can get several capcom kits for less than 100 as well because they don't have full side art.  A better example would be centipede:

Well I'm pretty sure since they say they will make custom size if wanted - you could probably make a centipede set that would print proper size for a smaller cab and as long as it used less vinyl than the full size Galaga print they could custom print it from your .pdf for around the same cost as the Galaga they sell ( I'm sure the cost is based on the amount of vinyl the print uses.) You'd have to contact them to see but getting them to print a set of Centipede art sized to a cab you are building should be fairly easy if you provide the artwork ready to print. ( I'm pretty sure that they would be cheaper than the $200 set from Belgium )
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 14, 2018, 05:20:06 pm
They can’t go any bigger, according to their licensing agreement.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 14, 2018, 05:21:34 pm
they will also be sold in europe and australia i think.

They use Sambro for distribution in the UK ( https://www.sambro.co.uk/ (https://www.sambro.co.uk/) ) and redplanetgroup for canada ( http://www.redpg.com/retailers/ (http://www.redpg.com/retailers/) ) both of which are fairly large distributors which work with most of the retailers, so would think eventually they'll be seen in many places (esp. if the initial launch goes well !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 14, 2018, 05:29:42 pm
I'd like to see our resident CNC man make a larger platform for these.  Surely he could come in a little less than $60... chop, chop, Haruman.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 14, 2018, 05:30:08 pm
as pointed out earlier in the thread.

if you want to do your own graphics, or don't care.
and want better quality for the cabinet, and also
want a lot better controls for $350
recroommasters seems the way to go.

here's one modified to use a pc (he used a pi earlier):
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC8G4Kkt-II#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 14, 2018, 05:37:33 pm
an unintentionally funny look at 2 people trying to play the rampage machine,
and they wouldn't even try 3 people...
-----------
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FvEQXO-rmE#)

almost sad in a way.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 14, 2018, 06:19:48 pm
as pointed out earlier in the thread.

if you want to do your own graphics, or don't care.
and want better quality for the cabinet, and also
want a lot better controls for $350
recroommasters seems the way to go.

Nice - now we are talking. This thing is obviously a direct response to the popularity of the arcade1up.  To be fair, they are going to charge you shipping on top of the $350 so its probably closer to $400, but still a nice option that didn't exist before arcade1up's hype woke up the market.  Get to work Haruman, you can beat these clowns at their own game :)

update - they want $87 to ship this to me in NY - so that's $437.  Still intriguing...but kinda of a whole different vibe.  The Alpha-cade has a generic mame appearance, better controls, and requires some know-how and additional investments in a pi/computer and monitor to get it working.  Arcade1up has licensed artwork and works right out of the box, but could be modded to be more if you want.  There is a market for both I think :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 15, 2018, 10:24:12 am

update - they want $87 to ship this to me in NY - so that's $437. 

LOL -- You get off pretty cheap on the shipping it shows $95.89 shipping here !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 18, 2018, 01:33:27 am
from the japanese 1up arcade site, comes confirmation and more
details about the space invaders, and pac-man cabinets.

overview, with links to the original video:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i8kHLIStpg#)

---------------------------------------------
space invaders - comes with a joystick instead of buttons, but has the color version also

pac-man - comes with pac-man plus

galaga - nothing new

======================================

i am definitely going to think about the pac-man cabinet.

the pac-man plus addition is a minor revision, but glad
to see them adding some value to it.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 21, 2018, 11:05:38 am
i am definitely going to think about the pac-man cabinet.

the pac-man plus addition is a minor revision, but glad
to see them adding some value to it.

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Wonder if the US units will also use the Japanese characters ( notice the ghosts when they are blue ! ) - too bad they didn't go with the Namco reunion roms that have Pacman, Ms. Pacman and Galaga instead of just Pacman  :dunno

EDIT : Oops I was watching a different video link showing the Japanese versions see blue ghosts at around 1:50 mark -- ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-7s3t6suA&feature=youtu.be#)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 21, 2018, 11:33:27 am
i am definitely going to think about the pac-man cabinet.

the pac-man plus addition is a minor revision, but glad
to see them adding some value to it.

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Wonder if the US units will also use the Japanese characters ( notice the ghosts when they are blue ! ) - too bad they didn't go with the Namco reunion roms that have Pacman, Ms. Pacman and Galaga instead of just Pacman  :dunno

EDIT : Oops I was watching a different video link showing the Japanese versions see blue ghosts at around 1:50 mark -- ! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-7s3t6suA&feature=youtu.be#)


i'm not sure which video it was either.

i watched the official japanese one on their site, and it showed the english names.

anyways, there might be a chance for a namco compilation later on.

i wonder if they are worried it will compete with their official compilations though.


i don't think so, because these would sell more, and it's aimed at a different market that
could afford the much more expensive ones.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 22, 2018, 04:45:27 pm
gamestop is allowing up to $300 tradein credit towards a machine.

you can get an xbox One S used for much cheaper on ebay and amazon
and trade it in for up to $250 towards it

  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqN-PH3Adc&feature=youtu.be#)


there you go.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 22, 2018, 04:51:13 pm
gamestop is allowing up to $300 tradein credit towards a machine.

you can get an xbox One S used for much cheaper on ebay and amazon
and trade it in for up to $250 towards it

 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqN-PH3Adc)

there you go.

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HAve you ever seen them actually give you the price they say "Up to " though ??  :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 22, 2018, 07:17:48 pm
gamestop is allowing up to $300 tradein credit towards a machine.

you can get an xbox One S used for much cheaper on ebay and amazon
and trade it in for up to $250 towards it

 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huqN-PH3Adc)

there you go.

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HAve you ever seen them actually give you the price they say "Up to " though ??  :cheers:

it can't hurt to try.

the xbox one S is relatively newer console, so it shouldn't be too hard
to find one in decent condition.

even if you don't get the $250, you'll get some savings, so you should come
out ahead.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 22, 2018, 11:07:22 pm
I don't see how unless you can somehow get a free xbox to trade in.  You still have to buy the console and gamestop is pretty savvy when it comes to the value of used stuff. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: keilmillerjr on September 23, 2018, 03:38:34 pm
GameStop tried giving me $0.10 for a game they wanted to turn around and sell for $39.99. Will never live it down. Up to $250, but will offer $1.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 23, 2018, 08:38:13 pm
gamestop is allowing up to $300 tradein credit towards a machine.

you can get an xbox One S used for much cheaper on ebay and amazon
and trade it in for up to $250 towards it


GameStop SELLS the Xbone S used for $250. They aren't going to give you anywhere near that for trade in.

https://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/consoles/xbox-one-s-white-500gb-system/138879 (https://www.gamestop.com/xbox-one/consoles/xbox-one-s-white-500gb-system/138879)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 24, 2018, 07:41:31 pm
Apparently some gamestop preorders did ship.

so some people should be getting them in the next day or two,
so expect some people to review them.

also, some walmarts have already put them out, some are charging
from $225-$275 for them, getting them ready for sale tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 24, 2018, 09:54:14 pm
$225 would be closer to the price point I think they are worth.  Personally I think they should be about the $150-175 range, but then again the controls would have to be awfully cheap to pull that off. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 25, 2018, 01:02:41 am
I’ll buy one tomorrow for $225.  Sounds like bs.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on September 25, 2018, 08:15:07 am
but then again the controls would have to be awfully cheap to pull that off.

I've got good news for you then...………...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 25, 2018, 07:12:42 pm
Good showing of the guts and assembly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX4Z3je_cis (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX4Z3je_cis)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 25, 2018, 09:18:49 pm
interesting, there's a guy selling the SF2 machine
modded with arcade quality bat sticks instead of
the stock ones.

more pricey, but would save someone the hassle of it.


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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 25, 2018, 09:47:00 pm
I know a guy, that knows a guy that's selling a SF2 machine in a converted Ms Pacman cab... Interesting...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 25, 2018, 10:37:11 pm
I know a guy, that knows a guy that's selling a SF2 machine in a converted Ms Pacman cab... Interesting...

you could search for this:
Street-Fighter-2-Arcade1up-MODDED-WITH-ORIGINAL-BAT-TOP-STICKS

but it's not hard to find.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 26, 2018, 12:06:39 am
Not sure why you would pay cash money for someone to unbolt a joystick and bolt another one on, but hey, whatever works for you. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 01:13:49 am
Not sure why you would pay cash money for someone to unbolt a joystick and bolt another one on, but hey, whatever works for you.

If you’re the target market for one of these, you were never gonna roll your own anyway.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 26, 2018, 01:40:04 am
the release of these 1up arcade machines, are introducing a whole new market segment
to people that have no idea about arcade cabinets.

in fact, though some might think they have an actual clue, they don't.

----------
 - people freaking out over a minor delay or two with the product

 - people freaking out in trying to order the product early

 - people freaking out at the rumors and news about the product

 - people going mad over what is a minor cosmetic defect in the control panels,
 that can be easily solved


--------------------

if you think people can handle unscrewing a control panel, buying replacement parts, and actually
putting them back in... you are giving people way too much credit.


you just wait and see, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to mess up putting it together
in the first place.

there are going to be people that can't get it to work, and there are already complaints that it is too much
trouble as it is from people that have it.


so yes, paying someone to put it together or put in replacement parts is definitely something people will do.

once people figure out how to mod it, there will be even more people willing to pay for those too.


later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on September 26, 2018, 05:25:31 am
I still don't get why anyone would want a 3/4 sized cabinet? Yeah, for the kids maybe, but I guess they rather play some console games nowadays.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 12:54:23 pm
For scale

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/114a73b60b1d6aa139dc57e5d3599bfd.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 26, 2018, 01:05:33 pm
the release of these 1up arcade machines, are introducing a whole new market segment
to people that have no idea about arcade cabinets.

in fact, though some might think they have an actual clue, they don't.

----------
 - people freaking out over a minor delay or two with the product

 - people freaking out in trying to order the product early

 - people freaking out at the rumors and news about the product

 - people going mad over what is a minor cosmetic defect in the control panels,
 that can be easily solved


--------------------

if you think people can handle unscrewing a control panel, buying replacement parts, and actually
putting them back in... you are giving people way too much credit.


you just wait and see, there are going to be a lot of people that are going to mess up putting it together
in the first place.

there are going to be people that can't get it to work, and there are already complaints that it is too much
trouble as it is from people that have it.


so yes, paying someone to put it together or put in replacement parts is definitely something people will do.

once people figure out how to mod it, there will be even more people willing to pay for those too.


later
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These "people" you speak of.... surely they aren't on BUILD your own arcade controls.  I think you might want to re-evaluate who is reading this thread. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 26, 2018, 01:13:45 pm
For scale

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/114a73b60b1d6aa139dc57e5d3599bfd.jpg)

 :laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 26, 2018, 01:57:18 pm
For scale

*snip*

Wow. Just... wow.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 26, 2018, 03:02:17 pm
Uhm.  Wow.

That puts things in perspective.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 26, 2018, 06:59:27 pm
For scale

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180926/114a73b60b1d6aa139dc57e5d3599bfd.jpg)


that picture makes no sense at all.

that is one huge pinball machine.

also the arcade game is 3/4 scale.

not sure what this picture is showing.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 26, 2018, 07:43:47 pm
That's a normal pin, dude.

No way in Hell is this little arcade 3/4 scale. 2/3? Maybe, but that might even be too generous.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 08:38:26 pm
You’re nuts, dude. That’s a regular sized pinball. You’d be lucky if those cabs were even 1/2 sized scale.
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 08:41:56 pm
Look at their knees in relation to the control panels in this picture. Even sitting down, that woman is taller than the machine.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/dae8c88d96946e7543d00d34fa904283.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 26, 2018, 08:51:25 pm
That looks really uncomfortable for a grown adult.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 09:02:47 pm
I think you’re getting fooled, my friend, because you see pics like this...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/b21689bbea4f9835a55e901fd49f4b5b.png)

But if you actually watch the video, you’ll see he’s got it on top of...a speaker

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/5fa5d3ccb31d1217768b10b4751a67a1.png)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 10:33:49 pm
More perspective photos

Next to an actual cabaret

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/d8fa1d94bdcc11fac73fd7c6b03d0db3.jpg)

Next to an actual cabinet

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/e2a26a6a137314c269afcd60388c783d.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 10:40:27 pm
Next to a Ms Pac

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/a510f3d26c7626ee182e5bd111c59874.jpg)

All theses photos come from the official Arcade1Up Facebook page. So those photos are legit.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 26, 2018, 11:39:08 pm
So looks like the riser would get it to cabaret size. That's fine but nowhere near normal cabinet dimensions.
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 26, 2018, 11:42:49 pm
So looks like the riser would get it to cabaret size. That's fine but nowhere near normal cabinet dimensions.

Yeah, it seems pretty misleading to advertise these as 3/4 scale. It’s barely 3/4 scale of that cabaret.

The comments on Facebook are pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 27, 2018, 12:48:44 am

that picture makes no sense at all.

that is one huge pinball machine.

also the arcade game is 3/4 scale.

not sure what this picture is showing.

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How can a simple picture not make sense? It's not an Escher painting.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 27, 2018, 02:14:17 am

that picture makes no sense at all.

that is one huge pinball machine.

also the arcade game is 3/4 scale.

not sure what this picture is showing.

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How can a simple picture not make sense? It's not an Escher painting.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

i was trying to make a point.

it doesn't make any sense for lots of reasons
1) there is no scale in that picture, no ruler, or anything to indicate relative size

2) you're comparing an apple (pinball machine) to something not even an orange (mini cabinet)

3) the other pictures later on show it compared to other arcade machines, which makes more sense

4) if you're trying to show how small something is, you need to make it clear what the size actually is.

arcade 1up  has tons of measurements, sizes, etc on their webpage,
and there's tons of pictures and videos to show people how big they are.


anybody surprised by how small they are just isn't paying attention, or as you say is in denial.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 27, 2018, 02:30:35 am
a much more detailed look at the PCB and CPU:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHvtjndxzg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHvtjndxzg)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHvtjndxzg#)

maybe it's related to the pandoras box,
and it doesn't look like you can add an sd card yet.


another interesting note, tempest has optional
button control to move left and right.. hmm
wonder why:

https://youtu.be/wjE2-sp31wY?t=3m20s (https://youtu.be/wjE2-sp31wY?t=3m20s)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on September 27, 2018, 03:25:10 am

that picture makes no sense at all.

that is one huge pinball machine.

also the arcade game is 3/4 scale.

not sure what this picture is showing.

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How can a simple picture not make sense? It's not an Escher painting.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

i was trying to make a point.

it doesn't make any sense for lots of reasons
1) there is no scale in that picture, no ruler, or anything to indicate relative size

2) you're comparing an apple (pinball machine) to something not even an orange (mini cabinet)

3) the other pictures later on show it compared to other arcade machines, which makes more sense

4) if you're trying to show how small something is, you need to make it clear what the size actually is.

arcade 1up  has tons of measurements, sizes, etc on their webpage,
and there's tons of pictures and videos to show people how big they are.


anybody surprised by how small they are just isn't paying attention, or as you say is in denial.

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Comparing to something you know the size of in real isn't that weird?! Most people know the size of a pinball machine (and can visualize that). And seeing this baby cabinet next to it gives me a better view than some dimensions. Might be just me... ;)

So looks like the riser would get it to cabaret size. That's fine but nowhere near normal cabinet dimensions.
Putting it on a riser doesn't change anything about the width. I would not feel really comfortable playing a 2p game on that...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 27, 2018, 10:08:00 am

that picture makes no sense at all.

that is one huge pinball machine.

also the arcade game is 3/4 scale.

not sure what this picture is showing.

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How can a simple picture not make sense? It's not an Escher painting.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

i was trying to make a point.

it doesn't make any sense for lots of reasons
1) there is no scale in that picture, no ruler, or anything to indicate relative size

2) you're comparing an apple (pinball machine) to something not even an orange (mini cabinet)

3) the other pictures later on show it compared to other arcade machines, which makes more sense

4) if you're trying to show how small something is, you need to make it clear what the size actually is.

arcade 1up  has tons of measurements, sizes, etc on their webpage,
and there's tons of pictures and videos to show people how big they are.


anybody surprised by how small they are just isn't paying attention, or as you say is in denial.

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(https://i.gifer.com/Bj4x.gif)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 27, 2018, 10:09:51 am
Many members here either own or play pinball machines. That photo makes perfect sense when it comes to understanding the scale.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 27, 2018, 10:10:26 am
Getting bout time to dust off that block list....

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: gamepimp on September 27, 2018, 11:27:48 am
Seeing this thing next to an actual arcade machine reminds me of the photos of the "mini" game consoles sitting next to the real system. They appear to be more of a novelty item than a serious gaming machine. If I were to buy one (which I wouldn't do unless they weren't selling and got super cheap), it would definitely be for that reason. As a side benefit, the nieces and nephews could beat the hell out of it instead of abusing the machine I worked tirelessly to build. LOL!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 27, 2018, 11:48:10 am
As a side benefit, the nieces and nephews could beat the hell out of it instead of abusing the machine I worked tirelessly to build. LOL!

See I'm of the opposite belief. I can see kids breaking one of these in a day while a properly built arcade cabinet should withstand years of abuse, which they were originally built to do.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 27, 2018, 11:55:37 am
Based on what I’ve read, if you get one of these toys, before you assemble, immediately spray all the artwork with a protective clear coat. Apparently, the ink scratches easily and rubs off fairly easily as well. I know it was mentioned, but the comments are confirming it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 27, 2018, 12:06:16 pm
I let loose a half a dozen kids ages 3 to 10 in my arcade room every couple of weeks. The kids hang from steering wheels and slam shifters and joysticks. They haven't managed to break anything yet.

Judging by the videos for the Arcade 1up cabs, I would be nervous to fart in the general direction of one of those toys.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 27, 2018, 05:55:41 pm
U Mad Bro?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180927/8a7ec4736870d93e13ed987d5a099724.png)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 27, 2018, 09:22:01 pm
I’m gonna get at least a couple of them. Mainly cause they look cool. In my house, arcade games are for looking at.  ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 27, 2018, 10:19:33 pm
The arcade game wasn't that pixelated? Oh, honey.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on September 27, 2018, 11:18:04 pm
There's a YT video of guy that purchased the four initial models (not the exclusives).  $1200+  :dunno   :dizzy:

Wait for it...  :timebomb:

- Jason
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on September 28, 2018, 12:47:40 am
Now that I know the guts of these things are essentially a pandora's box, I'm out.  Been thinking about it... I've got a tri-sports cp in the shed..... might whip up a cab for dedicated trackball and spinner games.

Now if they ever arrive in the bargain bin I might change my mind, but for now it's a hard pass. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on September 28, 2018, 12:51:56 am
NEVER AGAIN YOU SUCK ASS

 :timebomb:
 :lol hahah
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 28, 2018, 01:18:00 am
NEVER AGAIN YOU SUCK ASS

 :timebomb:
 :lol hahah

This one was better...

NEVER AGAIN YOU’LL HAVE MY MONEY!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180928/a4b2e03944795e215bce88f815291322.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 28, 2018, 10:33:57 am
Flat packing the monitor was always the part that most concerned me....

Oh well, if it's anything like those Big Electronics Midway cabinets they'll be 50% off by Easter.  (those came out Christmas 2005, btw.  time flies)



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 28, 2018, 10:53:23 am
No ruler in the shot... And these are juvenile giants... :laugh2:
(https://i1.pinside.com/7/66/7667bf06ef4edf2015836c400152ac4b9d264916/resized/740/7667bf06ef4edf2015836c400152ac4b9d264916.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 28, 2018, 11:03:24 am
That picture to me is a perfect illustration of what those cabs are for. :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 28, 2018, 12:11:22 pm
That picture to me is a perfect illustration of what those cabs are for. :cheers:

Agreed - It is funny though how much smaller they look in pics submitted by users rather than the ones the marketing dept. was showing before release !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 28, 2018, 12:34:00 pm
That picture to me is a perfect illustration of what those cabs are for. :cheers:

Agreed - It is funny though how much smaller they look in pics submitted by users rather than the ones the marketing dept. was showing before release !

I have a feeling a few were shot on risers but didn’t show/mention it
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 28, 2018, 01:08:34 pm
That picture to me is a perfect illustration of what those cabs are for. :cheers:

Agreed - It is funny though how much smaller they look in pics submitted by users rather than the ones the marketing dept. was showing before release !

I have a feeling a few were shot on risers but didn’t show/mention it

THat and using shorter people in the pics.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 28, 2018, 01:48:20 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/5lgdq9I.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 28, 2018, 02:00:44 pm
Yeah, these things are basically the size of a Bartop placed on top of a milk crate.  If you were to saw off the bottom half under the CP, you would be left with a bartop.  Maybe a bartop is the more appropriate thing to compare them with?

Which begs a question:  Would $299 for a full artwork clad, game licensed, ready to assemble bar top be a decent deal or not?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 28, 2018, 02:29:44 pm
ETA Prime posted a fairly informative review of the SFII cab -

1/2" boards for the sides and 1/4" for most of the rest - Using an older All Winner A13 CPU for the processor ( so pretty much a pandoras box equivalent with only 3 or 4 games instead of hundreds)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABT3VXuWU0#)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JimmyU on September 28, 2018, 10:24:22 pm
ETA Prime posted a fairly informative review of the SFII cab -

1/2" boards for the sides and 1/4" for most of the rest - Using an older All Winner A13 CPU for the processor ( so pretty much a pandoras box equivalent with only 3 or 4 games instead of hundreds)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yABT3VXuWU0#)
So it’s got the same amount of power as a generic Android tablet from five years ago? Good to know.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 08:08:55 am
There are at least 5-10 full unboxings on youtube (sped up), and another
10-15 gameplay videos.

SF2 seems to be the favorite cabinet.

I've seen a few Rampage ones, and the occasional Centipede one.

NOBODY seems to like the asteroids cabinet, or at least they don't post they do.
=========================


Tons of problems and issues on the facebook page.

But Arcade 1up is trying to answer everyone, and provide support, but seem to
be overwhelmed by it.

They're having a hard time keeping up with the problems.

Hopefully, they can get them straightened out.

=========================

It appears to be a 50/50 split of people happy and mad with the product.

Or maybe that's only people that post or youtube videos.

There's a lot of clueless people that don't know:
-----------------
1 CRT VS LCD - they seem to think the picture is pixellated, because the original had scanlines

2 The sound is off in SF2, due to it being MONO, and not stereo

3 Not knowing that Gauntlet is only 2 player, because it has a 2 player rom, it never supported 3 player.

4 People not understanding the controls, which buttons do what, or even how to play the games properly.

I have yet to see someone thats actually any good at these games post a video, not one single playthrough,
or sign of an actual player yet.


Unfortunately, due to the shipping delays, lost packages, questions about the control panel graphics wearing out,
and just lackluster controls, and the odd dead pixel, there's a lot of confusion.

Yes, $300 is not much for some people, but for others, it's expensive, and they expect better, I know i would.

The people that are collectors, or bought it for kids, or won't play very often are happy.

The picky, OCD types, will complain no matter what, because that's what they do.
======================


The only knowledgeable person, that's going to mod it, with the Pandoras box, and show how to connect a PI
to it, seems to be the only one that has an actual idea about the system, and will be the one I will watch
to see what future developments can be done to.

Also, waiting to see if people mod the controls, and put up videos. Especially for the spinner and trackball
because those seem to be the worst off.

If that can be done, then the Atari deluxe cabinet will be the best one to mod, and it won't have control
panel graphics wearing off issues either.


later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 08:28:30 am
Speaking of fixing the control panel with lacquer spray:
(lots of shaking)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl_txaN3Ng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl_txaN3Ng)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORl_txaN3Ng#)

In the discussion there's a lot of talk about replacing the trackball too.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on September 29, 2018, 08:29:31 am
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on September 29, 2018, 08:31:06 am
There are at least 5-10 full unboxings on youtube (sped up), and another
10-15 gameplay videos.

SF2 seems to be the favorite cabinet.

I've seen a few Rampage ones, and the occasional Centipede one.

NOBODY seems to like the asteroids cabinet, or at least they don't post they do.
=========================

Tons of problems and issues on the facebook page.

But Arcade 1up is trying to answer everyone, and provide support, but seem to
be overwhelmed by it.

They're having a hard time keeping up with the problems.

Hopefully, they can get them straightened out.

=========================

It appears to be a 50/50 split of people happy and mad with the product.

Or maybe that's only people that post or youtube videos.

There's a lot of clueless people that don't know:
-----------------
1 CRT VS LCD - they seem to think the picture is pixellated, because the original had scanlines

2 The sound is off in SF2, due to it being MONO, and not stereo

3 Not knowing that Gauntlet is only 2 player, because it has a 2 player rom, it never supported 3 player.

4 People not understanding the controls, which buttons do what, or even how to play the games properly.

I have yet to see someone thats actually any good at these games post a video, not one single playthrough,
or sign of an actual player yet.


Unfortunately, due to the shipping delays, lost packages, questions about the control panel graphics wearing out,
and just lackluster controls, and the odd dead pixel, there's a lot of confusion.

Yes, $300 is not much for some people, but for others, it's expensive, and they expect better, I know i would.

The people that are collectors, or bought it for kids, or won't play very often are happy.

The picky, OCD types, will complain no matter what, because that's what they do.
======================


The only knowledgeable person, that's going to mod it, with the Pandoras box, and show how to connect a PI
to it, seems to be the only one that has an actual idea about the system, and will be the one I will watch
to see what future developments can be done to.

Also, waiting to see if people mod the controls, and put up videos. Especially for the spinner and trackball
because those seem to be the worst off.

If that can be done, then the Atari deluxe cabinet will be the best one to mod, and it won't have control
panel graphics wearing off issues either.


later
-1

Ya for people not involved in this hobby the "pixelated" issue makes me laugh. It's an HD monitor that is producing an image that WAS NEVER MEANT to be displayed on it. Of course WE all know that it's going to look blocky and not smooth like we remember playing but the people spending $$$$ on these things seem to have no idea. I mean come on guys ....$300 for an arcade? You are gonna get what you pay for. Think of how much we all spent on our control panels alone!!!

Maybe the company should have invested a few hundred bucks more into the cabinets? I feel like they could have hit a sweet spot for consumers a little higher. That way the consumer maybe gets more of what they want (larger machine, stereo sound, better switches etc).
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 09:35:57 am
Posted Today, 8:28 AM

the discussion for modding is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/)

looks like people are looking into this connector:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BnIAAOSwxzBZnBhX/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pn0AAOSwdYlZnBi3/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TfAAAOSwT-lZnBi5/s-l500.jpg)


which is a controller, converter for the monitor inside the cabinet.

from there, you can work on trying out pandoras box, or raspberry pi.

stay tuned..........

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on September 29, 2018, 10:43:59 am
No ruler in the shot... And these are juvenile giants... :laugh2:
(https://i1.pinside.com/7/66/7667bf06ef4edf2015836c400152ac4b9d264916/resized/740/7667bf06ef4edf2015836c400152ac4b9d264916.jpg)

These are teeny tiny! That doesn't look like a very comfortable way to play. Are they worth throwing money at to mod?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 29, 2018, 11:01:45 am
Posted Today, 8:28 AM

the discussion for modding is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/)

looks like people are looking into this connector:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs)

which is a controller, converter for the monitor inside the cabinet.

from there, you can work on trying out pandoras box, or raspberry pi.

stay tuned..........

later
-1

OR if you are building your own you can get both the monitor panel (same brand and model) with the driver board included for $58 ( not sure what shipping would be though) -- https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-17-inch-TFT-LCD-Panel_60762429262.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.74.1bfa48aeHHuMDY (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-17-inch-TFT-LCD-Panel_60762429262.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.74.1bfa48aeHHuMDY)

Nice thing about the monitor is it uses 5v power so could run both the pi and the monitor on a single power source.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on September 29, 2018, 11:54:12 am
Posted Today, 8:28 AM

the discussion for modding is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Arcade1Up/comments/9iytkr/modding_thread/)

looks like people are looking into this connector:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs (https://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-DVI-VGA-LCD-Lvds-Controller-Converter-Driver-Monitor-Kit-for-M170ETN01-1/113004332826?hash=item1a4f95471a:g:mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/mAoAAOSwSnFZnBfs/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BnIAAOSwxzBZnBhX/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Pn0AAOSwdYlZnBi3/s-l500.jpg)

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/TfAAAOSwT-lZnBi5/s-l500.jpg)


which is a controller, converter for the monitor inside the cabinet.

from there, you can work on trying out pandoras box, or raspberry pi.

stay tuned..........

later
-1
Are you really interested in this midget cabinet? I really don't see why anyone would buy such a thing (to mod or play or whatever...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2018, 12:00:43 pm
Is negative1 the latest vibration of Steve and I'm just too obtuse to realize it until now?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 29, 2018, 12:02:55 pm
Are you really interested in this midget cabinet? I really don't see why anyone would buy such a thing (to mod or play or whatever...

People seem to love bartops.  These are basically a bartop from the control panel up.  A decent bartop CNC kit can cost upwards of $200 before you even add art, buttons, computer/pi.  For $299 these seem perfect for kids, folks with space limitations (on a riser), and folks who are not arcade/DIY savy.    I can totally see why plenty of folks would buy one.  From an arcade hobbyist perspective not so much, but these are obviously not aimed at us....

These are teeny tiny! That doesn't look like a very comfortable way to play. Are they worth throwing money at to mod?

Saw off the bottom below the control panel and you have bartop.  Just sayin'  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 29, 2018, 12:34:39 pm
Saw off the bottom below the control panel and you have bartop.  Just sayin'  ;)

Yeah, I said the same thing a couple months ago. I think that might be a viable option (assuming the measurements workout).
Another option would be to cut a couple feet off the bottom and make a bartop out of it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on September 29, 2018, 12:41:19 pm
Saw off the bottom below the control panel and you have bartop.  Just sayin'  ;)

Yeah, I said the same thing a couple months ago. I think that might be a viable option (assuming the measurements workout).
Another option would be to cut a couple feet off the bottom and make a bartop out of it.

Yeah... but if you cut a couple feet off the bottom, you'd lose the CP. :lol

I only laugh at the size of these things. They weren't marketed correctly at all. Should have been pitched as a toy for little kids from the get-go. Not as a "3/4 scale quality arcade machine for collectors and nerds".
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on September 29, 2018, 12:59:20 pm
Are you really interested in this midget cabinet? I really don't see why anyone would buy such a thing (to mod or play or whatever...

People seem to love bartops.  These are basically a bartop from the control panel up.  A decent bartop CNC kit can cost upwards of $200 before you even add art, buttons, computer/pi.  For $299 these seem perfect for kids, folks with space limitations (on a riser), and folks who are not arcade/DIY savy.    I can totally see why plenty of folks would buy one.  From an arcade hobbyist perspective not so much, but these are obviously not aimed at us....

These are teeny tiny! That doesn't look like a very comfortable way to play. Are they worth throwing money at to mod?

Saw off the bottom below the control panel and you have bartop.  Just sayin'  ;)

But if you do that on the Galaga, you’ll loose almost ALL the side art!!1!1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 29, 2018, 01:02:16 pm
At the time, we weren't sure the measurements. :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 29, 2018, 01:24:55 pm
But if you do that on the Galaga, you’ll loose almost ALL the side art!!1!1

I wouldn't actually do it  ;D

I was just trying to give some perspective on these things.  They are small, but they are cheap, easy to put together, readily available, and fully licensed.  Comparing them to a real arcade cabinet is silly, and once you get past that idea, I think these machines are kinda cool and have a real niche.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 01:27:26 pm

which is a controller, converter for the monitor inside the cabinet.

from there, you can work on trying out pandoras box, or raspberry pi.

stay tuned..........

later
-1
Are you really interested in this midget cabinet? I really don't see why anyone would buy such a thing (to mod or play or whatever...


yes, the pac-man cabinet looks awesome, and they can't screw up the controls on that.
making it into a multi-pac would be something i would try.
----
ms pac-man
jr pac-man
pac n pal
super pac man
pac attack
pac mania
pac man plus is included already
--
and some boots
ms pac man plus
ms pac attack
ms pac at night


also the deluxe atari one, has quantum on it, which is hard to get on its own.
i don't care about liberator or asteroids deluxe.

that's why i'm keeping an eye on them.

the space invaders cabinet looks pretty awesome too (if you replace
the joystick with buttons).

it's a size, space and cost issue.

i can't afford several cabinets.
i have one real one, and thats enough.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 29, 2018, 01:34:36 pm
This one may have been pointed out before - but I just ran across it today:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/arcade1up-deluxe-edition-12-in-1-arcade-cabinet-with-riser-atari-graphics/6288355.p?skuId=6288355&ref=06&loc=01&msclkid=910b0cbcd9de1c6633dd57136f0e38af&gclid=CJnGmvre4N0CFQjbswodSFMOyA&gclsrc=ds# (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/arcade1up-deluxe-edition-12-in-1-arcade-cabinet-with-riser-atari-graphics/6288355.p?skuId=6288355&ref=06&loc=01&msclkid=910b0cbcd9de1c6633dd57136f0e38af&gclid=CJnGmvre4N0CFQjbswodSFMOyA&gclsrc=ds#)

12 in 1 for $399 including the riser.  Based on this, I would not be surprised if the $299 machines get discounted down to $249 before the holidays. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 01:36:56 pm

OR if you are building your own you can get both the monitor panel (same brand and model) with the driver board included for $58 ( not sure what shipping would be though) -- https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-17-inch-TFT-LCD-Panel_60762429262.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.74.1bfa48aeHHuMDY (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/New-17-inch-TFT-LCD-Panel_60762429262.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.74.1bfa48aeHHuMDY)

Nice thing about the monitor is it uses 5v power so could run both the pi and the monitor on a single power source.

i don't know if anyone here would want to build a 3/4 scale machine on their own.

the point is to use the assets from the prebuilt one to modify into something
more expandable.

yes, you could build a clone, but would it be cheaper.

thats the question people have been trying to answer since the start of the thread.
possibly, but a lot of people don't have the skills, or time to do that.

messing around with connecters, and screws yes, but woodwork, gluing, sanding, etc, probably not.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on September 29, 2018, 01:40:34 pm
This one may have been pointed out before - but I just ran across it today:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/arcade1up-deluxe-edition-12-in-1-arcade-cabinet-with-riser-atari-graphics/6288355.p?skuId=6288355&ref=06&loc=01&msclkid=910b0cbcd9de1c6633dd57136f0e38af&gclid=CJnGmvre4N0CFQjbswodSFMOyA&gclsrc=ds# (https://www.bestbuy.com/site/arcade1up-deluxe-edition-12-in-1-arcade-cabinet-with-riser-atari-graphics/6288355.p?skuId=6288355&ref=06&loc=01&msclkid=910b0cbcd9de1c6633dd57136f0e38af&gclid=CJnGmvre4N0CFQjbswodSFMOyA&gclsrc=ds#)

12 in 1 for $399 including the riser.  Based on this, I would not be surprised if the $299 machines get discounted down to $249 before the holidays.

yes, it has been pointed out early on in the discussion.

there are several problems with this unit.
---------------------------------------------
- only has a horizontal monitor, so the games with vertical orientation are compressed visually
(but probably still have the correct aspect ratio)

- control panel has no graphics

- very poor spinner and trackball, all of those games suffer

- the extra games aren't that well known, and for most people not worth it
  gravitar, quantum, liberator, asteroids deluxe are very minor

- best buy exclusive


===============

so, like they say, jack of all trades, and master of none.

basically a very frankenstein collection of games and controls.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 29, 2018, 04:01:50 pm
yes, you could build a clone, but would it be cheaper.

thats the question people have been trying to answer since the start of the thread.
possibly, but a lot of people don't have the skills, or time to do that.

Well now that would depend on what parts you used - it could definitely be made cheaper if you use the same lower quality parts/materials these use but would be about the same price or a bit more if you went with higher quality parts (ie. kind of like the concept of buying one of these and modding it with new parts is going to increase the cost ! ) - In the end though you'd wind up with a much more stable longer lasting build -- And this after all is BYOAC which would mean it probably has a good number of people on it that would have the skills and time to build it themselves !  :dunno

Figure a quick breakdown of the costs involved

$60 - for a 17" monitor ( if you use the same panel they did or free to $10+/- if you go craigslist.)
$30 - $50 for an old PC or Rpi ( figure could go pi zero and have better CPU/GPU than the Allwinner A13 chip they use !)
$25 1 sheet of 1/2" MDF
$20 for a sheet of plexi for the monitor bezel
$20 for misc. screws and other hardware
$80 - $100 for artwork printing

Which would be about $200 - $250 give or take leaving plenty for the controls ( the type they used ( $20 for a trackball and similar for a zero delay and button set) - but a bit tight for higher quality parts.)

So sure it can be built cheaper or could cost more ( But if buying as a base for modding you're also looking at spending more since you'll be upgrading most of the internals which are already accounted for in the home build initial build costs. ( ie. the Pi or PC, Controls/ etc. )

Don't get me wrong I think these are a good price point for the product they are releasing but if you plan to mod it then it is a bit higher price than you need to spend for the base pieces and are not really the quality they should be to make use of them for that - at that point you are better off just building from scratch IMHO.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 29, 2018, 05:08:15 pm
Everybody's got a different plan - I pre-ordered the Galaga cab.  I plan to add a free core2duo computer (have had lying around for a few years).  I will probably also replace the monitor with a 17" dell (again, free).  That way I can just wire the controls up to a zero delay and be off and running.  I am going to only load dedicated 4-way vertical games.  If the existing joystick sucks ass I will upgrade that to a better 4 way. 

I can then sell the monitor and pcb.  So my plans don't really involve any additional money spent (maybe $30-40 for a good 4 way joystick and zero delay).  This one will go to my 9 year old nephew for Christmas.  If I end up liking the form factor I will order a second one for myself....

 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 29, 2018, 06:10:52 pm
300 dollar Christmas gift for your nephew? How do I get on your Christmas list?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on September 29, 2018, 06:28:16 pm
300 dollar Christmas gift for your nephew? How do I get on your Christmas list?

My brother is going in 50/50 with me  :)

We should totally have a BYOAC secret Santa...start a thread?  :applaud:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 29, 2018, 06:34:36 pm
I like it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 29, 2018, 09:54:34 pm
I've got a 60% scale Pac Man cabinet and it's still taller than these things. Took a tape measure to my pinball machines and everything. 

:lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 30, 2018, 06:24:28 am
For those buying these be sure to take the time to either add a plexi cover or at least some clear coat to the artwork on the Control panel --- Here's a pic I came accross on another forum of a display unit in a Walmart after 1 - 2 weeks on display

(http://www.kimgreenblatt.com/AS400/IMG_6537.jpg)

Looks like they really messed up on protecting the artwork.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 30, 2018, 06:32:39 am
This thing is overpriced at 300 dollars. This is why you wait until a product is out in the wild before buying it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on September 30, 2018, 11:34:57 am
I saw that pic too. I believe it was from a unit that spent  a couple days of constant use at a show. It definitely validates some of the concern that the CP is just side art artwork material and isn't super durable.

The thing is, I've done the same thing with my cabinets. I used side art material for my CP on a couple cabinets. They still look brand new because the amount of play on them is minimal. One of them is a Galaga, and I actually prefer the side art material since it conforms to the curve better than OEM CPO. I don't mind some character with my arcades, but the wear on that CP is too heavy and not something we would've seen in an arcade.

When buying something like this, this close to Christmas, it's tricky. If you would've waited on the NES Classic, you would have been disappointed because they sold out and never more at the same price point. It's possible these could've went the same way. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much $300 is to you, how much enjoyment you'll get out of the machine, and what you're expectations are.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on September 30, 2018, 12:24:43 pm
I agree - It really depends on what $300 means to you and what your plans are for the thing -- Figure at least they seem to be trying to do something and have already said they are working on a fix to this issue - probably too late for those they made and shipped already but they will probably either start adding a clear coat laminate layer to give it more durability or start including a thin plexi panel in the kits going forward - How they address the issue with the initial units we'll have to wait and see. IF they are actually in this for the long run like they seem to be a lot will depend on how the fix the issues with the initial release.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on September 30, 2018, 12:29:20 pm
I saw that pic too. I believe it was from a unit that spent  a couple days of constant use at a show. It definitely validates some of the concern that the CP is just side art artwork material and isn't super durable.

The thing is, I've done the same thing with my cabinets. I used side art material for my CP on a couple cabinets. They still look brand new because the amount of play on them is minimal. One of them is a Galaga, and I actually prefer the side art material since it conforms to the curve better than OEM CPO. I don't mind some character with my arcades, but the wear on that CP is too heavy and not something we would've seen in an arcade.

When buying something like this, this close to Christmas, it's tricky. If you would've waited on the NES Classic, you would have been disappointed because they sold out and never more at the same price point. It's possible these could've went the same way. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how much $300 is to you, how much enjoyment you'll get out of the machine, and what you're expectations are.


Very well said. Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2018, 01:59:57 pm
Stacks of dusty NES and Snes in stores here. Those things went old and busted quick.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on September 30, 2018, 02:30:15 pm
If you would've waited on the NES Classic, you would have been disappointed because they sold out and never more at the same price point. It's possible these could've went the same way.

NES and SNES both in stock at list price anywhere I go anymore.

Besides, if supply issues prevented anyone from wasting money on one of these toy cabinets I'm sure they would be thankful for it later on.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on September 30, 2018, 02:51:27 pm
Quote
When buying something like this, this close to Christmas, it's tricky

I never bother to do this. I buy gifts that are available. Or sometimes I make gifts. I never worry about the "got to have" Christmas item. My family Christmas policy has always been to have fun and not spend a bunch of money on gifts. I feel bad when I see so many people stress out about Christmas because they have to buy the perfect gift.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on September 30, 2018, 03:26:36 pm
Yes, Mike, we're sheeple. Thanks.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 01, 2018, 01:52:07 am
If you would've waited on the NES Classic, you would have been disappointed because they sold out and never more at the same price point. It's possible these could've went the same way.

NES and SNES both in stock at list price anywhere I go anymore.

Besides, if supply issues prevented anyone from wasting money on one of these toy cabinets I'm sure they would be thankful for it later on.

not really a fair comparison, as nintendo has screwed up every single hardware launch they've ever had,
and intentionally starve the outlets of products by underproducing.

it's well known that's how they operate.

they couldn't launch a successful product if their life depended on it, which is why they're always lagging behind
the other console makers.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 01, 2018, 03:15:33 am
Yeah man the original NES launch was a disaster what with all of America wanting one until eventually one in three households had a NES.  Snes, N64, ect nobody wanted them.  That wii was a total disaster with it becoming the greatest selling console of all time at that point.  Yeah nobody wants the switch either, that's why it's the fast selling console this gen. 

Sorry man, but Nintendo is great at most launches and has had some of the best launch titles of all time... the fact that they've recently had trouble determining demand and NOT artificially increasing it doesn't change that. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 01, 2018, 10:46:27 am
If you would've waited on the NES Classic, you would have been disappointed because they sold out and never more at the same price point. It's possible these could've went the same way.

NES and SNES both in stock at list price anywhere I go anymore.

Besides, if supply issues prevented anyone from wasting money on one of these toy cabinets I'm sure they would be thankful for it later on.

not really a fair comparison, as nintendo has screwed up every single hardware launch they've ever had,
and intentionally starve the outlets of products by underproducing.

it's well known that's how they operate.

they couldn't launch a successful product if their life depended on it, which is why they're always lagging behind
the other console makers.

later
-1

(https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Luke-Everything-Wrong.gif)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 01, 2018, 11:00:04 am
the raspberry PI mod for arcade 1up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKuRkxMGRI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKuRkxMGRI)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKuRkxMGRI#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 01, 2018, 11:41:24 am
I'm not sure if replacing everything except for the wooden box counts as a 'mod.'

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 01, 2018, 11:44:35 am
I'm not sure if replacing everything except for the wooden box counts as a 'mod.'

It’s the new “lifehack”
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 01, 2018, 12:49:25 pm
I'm not sure if replacing everything except for the wooden box counts as a 'mod.'

true, but this is basically an entry level machine, so people can barely figure
out how to replace the sticks and buttons.

this is the next step.

at this point, people will either decide to buy/build their own blank cabinet,
and take the next step from their to full featured or larger size ones.

i'm interested, (but not with a pi, but a pc), because it saves me a lot of steps
that i can't do otherwise, and although it might not be much cheaper,
its a lot less hassles.

obviously, to people on this board, it will be trivial.

-------------

this is in a way a good thing for the community i think, because it is bringing retro and classic gaming
back into the public view, in a much better way than - micro, mini, and toy consoles. they all
have their place with budget gamers.

this is cashing on the sentimental and nostalgia factor, but i do see a lot of questions, and possibilities of
people looking into better alternatives, building their own cabinets, buying used ones, and figuring out
different price points they are comfortable with.

i live in a house, so i have tons of space for arcade machines (i own 1 standup already), but i have no
desire for anymore. i would rather have some mini ones, with a few select games on them.

this possibility allows for that, although the recroommasters 3/4 cabinet is also a better possibility,
but with less features, as you have to supply more to get it up and running.


i look forward to seeing future enhancements that people do.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 01, 2018, 01:10:22 pm
Are you really interested in this midget cabinet? I really don't see why anyone would buy such a thing (to mod or play or whatever...

People seem to love bartops.  These are basically a bartop from the control panel up.  A decent bartop CNC kit can cost upwards of $200 before you even add art, buttons, computer/pi.  For $299 these seem perfect for kids, folks with space limitations (on a riser), and folks who are not arcade/DIY savy.    I can totally see why plenty of folks would buy one.  From an arcade hobbyist perspective not so much, but these are obviously not aimed at us....

These are teeny tiny! That doesn't look like a very comfortable way to play. Are they worth throwing money at to mod?

Saw off the bottom below the control panel and you have bartop.  Just sayin'  ;)

But if you do that on the Galaga, you’ll loose almost ALL the side art!!1!1


in the original videos from the companies.

they are testing out designs for bartop models, like qbert and dig dug,

(https://i.postimg.cc/VsCh567k/bartop.jpg)
(there's a 3rd one i can't tell what it is, with 2 joysticks)


and also for cocktail cabinets (space invaders, sf2 with split screen)

but there is no pricepoint on those configurations yet.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 03, 2018, 04:02:21 am
here's a better comparison of the cabinet with a riser, a cabaret, and full size cabinet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-RZXapGqlw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-RZXapGqlw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-RZXapGqlw#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on October 03, 2018, 04:11:01 am
Damn that's a pathetic looking little bugger.   :laugh2: Still don't get it. Why don't they create a normal sized cabinet? Logistics??
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 03, 2018, 05:05:59 am
Damn that's a pathetic looking little bugger.   :laugh2: Still don't get it. Why don't they create a normal sized cabinet? Logistics??

Yep a combination of Logistics and Licensing -- the parent company of the subsidiary making these has existing licensing for Toy arcade units which means they can make them up to a certain size while going over that size and making them full size arcade machines would mean they need to negotiate new licensing ( IIRC they also own the company making the Tiny Arcade toys and the licensing they got for those machines are what they are also using on these Arcade1up machines)

Also products over 4' and around 70 LBs. start getting into extra fees in the distribution channel since store shelfs are designed for products under 48 inches and many companies have weight restrictions on what their employees can lift/move without special equipment and customers will have a harder time getting it from the store to home without paying to have it delivered if they can not fit it into their car.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 03, 2018, 06:56:21 am
If they make those bartops, they'll struggle with the same thing anyone has made a bartop knows. People think they should cost a lot less because they are much smaller.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 03, 2018, 08:46:31 am
If they make those bartops, they'll struggle with the same thing anyone has made a bartop knows. People think they should cost a lot less because they are much smaller.

Probably would have worked well if they made the ones they are releasing a 2 piece unit with a Bartop machine and the riser was made larger ( taller) so it acted like a table for the bartop to sit on top off making it the proper height of a full size cab - if they could have done the bartops approx the same width and depth as the 3/4 size units they are releasing and then made the riser a base instead - then sell the bartops for say $229 - $249 and the base for $50 or even $75. ( $50 if the made the base a simple solid color and $75 if they included a modified sideart of some sort.) 

Figure if they reworked the art to have the base work with all of the models and each bartop model have adjusted side art that stuck to a single classic machines concept leaving the Marquee and CP the way they have them now.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 03, 2018, 09:23:27 am
A bartop sized turd is still a turd.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 03, 2018, 10:24:11 am
A bartop sized turd is still a turd.

I think they refer to them as “nuggets” at that size.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 03, 2018, 10:27:37 am
What is a turd on a riser called?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 03, 2018, 10:43:43 am
A bartop sized turd is still a turd.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 03, 2018, 01:36:43 pm

in between normal, coin-op size, cabaret (which is 60 inch, is that normal?), and cocktail,
they even have a bartop, although i don't like them, wonder how much it will be:

(https://www.bandainamco-am.com/games/pacmanapbartop/images/PMAP_BARTOP_CONCEPT_FLAT1.jpg)
==================================
IMPORTANT NOTE : SCREEN SHOT IS FROM A BOOTLEG ROM version, called ms pac man plus/ms pac attack.
good job namco, sheeshh.......

speaking of other formats, i wonder how much the 1up cocktail models will be

wonder how much they can bring the cost down for those, i wouldnt think by much more
than real ones,

later
-1

i would buy this bartop, but i'm sure it will be pretty expensive.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 03, 2018, 01:51:25 pm
i think a lot of people here will agree with this:

the comparisons start around 37 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 03, 2018, 02:25:42 pm
What is a turd on a riser called?

poop on a platter
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on October 03, 2018, 02:51:46 pm
i think a lot of people here will agree with this:

the comparisons start around 37 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw#)

-1

Is that really two guys talking about ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- over an hour? I am not going to watch that sir. Gimme a summary or get out. :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 03, 2018, 03:01:26 pm
Love the circular conversations/arguments in this thread  ::)

Reminds me of a political discussion among friends that takes place on social media.  ie: you are wrong I am right.....no YOU are wrong I am right!  *repeat until the next controversial topic takes over*

Its a $299 toy that some folks will love, some will hate, some will buy, some will not.  Whatevs....lets not blow this out of proportion.   :laugh2:
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 03, 2018, 06:47:29 pm
Love the circular conversations/arguments in this thread 

Reminds me of a political discussion among friends that takes place on social media.  ie: you are wrong I am right.....no YOU are wrong I am right!  *repeat until the next controversial topic takes over*

Its a $299 toy that some folks will love, some will hate, some will buy, some will not.  Whatevs....lets not blow this out of proportion.   :laugh2:

You say that now, but wait till all the inevitable “How do I hack my Arcade1up to run with a Pi???” questions showing up later this year.

🤣
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 03, 2018, 06:55:56 pm
Love the circular conversations/arguments in this thread 

Reminds me of a political discussion among friends that takes place on social media.  ie: you are wrong I am right.....no YOU are wrong I am right!  *repeat until the next controversial topic takes over*

Its a $299 toy that some folks will love, some will hate, some will buy, some will not.  Whatevs....lets not blow this out of proportion.   :laugh2:

You say that now, but wait till all the inevitable “How do I hack my Arcade1up to run with a Pi???” questions showing up later this year.

🤣


Hahaha ya the casual gamer will have a great time doing  the “easy” mod to install the pi in these. Then the question.....”how do I install Hyperspin?” Hahhaha
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 03, 2018, 07:04:26 pm
i think a lot of people here will agree with this:

the comparisons start around 37 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plZ9qWdU7Hw#)

-1

Is that really two guys talking about ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- over an hour? I am not going to watch that sir. Gimme a summary or get out. :)

the freeplay arcade guys were cherry picking their arguments.

also, they didn't even have or try an actual unit, they only
talked about other peoples reviews.

---------------------
- they actually didn't go through the gamelists for each cabinet

- they bedgrudgingly admitted the centipede cabinet had a decent selection of games

- they also admitted the final fight cabinet might be decent also

- they never addressed what was actually wrong with the sf2 one, except that it didn't have hyper fighting,
and they don't know the difference between super sf2, and super sf2 turbo

so i wonder if they really actually know about the sf2 games at all

- they didn't address what was wrong with galaga / galaxian

- the didn't mention pac-man, or space invaders either


so they actually didn't really say that much, besides 'emulation is bad'..

i looked into the teamplay machines, and they are well built,

but i don't know how much they cost.

also, missile command looks terrible stretched out, and the cabinets look weird.
==============================

(http://www.teamplayinc.net/uploads/3/4/7/6/34769973/1878580_orig.jpg)

(http://www.teamplayinc.net/uploads/3/4/7/6/34769973/9229716_orig.jpg)

(http://www.teamplayinc.net/uploads/3/4/7/6/34769973/8640866.jpg?602)



here's the video for modding the unit with a pi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09DQCOr6zQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09DQCOr6zQM)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09DQCOr6zQM#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 03, 2018, 07:37:58 pm
 :laugh2: I love that he replaces the cheap sh*t with more cheap sh*t. I wonder how long those $6 encoders and dollarmart buttons will last lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 03, 2018, 08:39:56 pm
So, -1, what’s your deal, dude? You gonna buy one of these things or not? :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 03, 2018, 09:13:41 pm
So, -1, what’s your deal, dude? You gonna buy one of these things or not? :)

Right? I can't get a read on him either.  Totally would not be surprised either way.  We should see if Vegas will handicap his decision and take some action....  :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 03, 2018, 11:06:10 pm
So, -1, what’s your deal, dude? You gonna buy one of these things or not? :)

already making room for the pac-man machine.

i already listed all the multi pac games i would put on it,
and/or make it into a namco multicab.

you must have skipped all those posts where i said i was getting it.

waiting on the dig dug bartop price, and/or cocktail cabinet prices
to decide about those also.

and will be modding them to put a pc and replacing controllers on them.

will wait for the deluxe to come way down in price, or get one  used.
will mod that also.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 03, 2018, 11:35:02 pm
Let us know how long it takes you to have buyer’s remorse. :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 04, 2018, 02:56:13 am
Let us know how long it takes you to have buyer’s remorse. :lol

i keep all the hardware i buy, good or bad.

i've returned one piece of software in the last year.
pac man championship 2 dx, it ran too slow on my pc (steam). $20

i just returned the micro arcade dig dug due to a defective screen $25, getting another shortly.

i have tons of controllers, mini and micro arcade games, consoles, etc, etc -> mostly used, i keep them all,
including the broken ones. i had a broken xbox 360 (RROD), gave it away after using it for 10 years.

i have a non-working CED disc player, that i've kept. a hardware HD DVD player that still works, but i don't use it.
i have a SONY receiver that the LED display stopped working, having touched it in 6 years. i have several old
computers, monitors, and tons of audio equipment, turntables etc, etc.

i don't really worry too much about things after i get them, as long as i enjoy them for
the time that i have it. the only thing i use constantly is a samsung 46 inch HD tv (720p), and the
two xbox consoles (360, and one). i have a blasteroids arcade machine that is in mint condition, that
i play a few times a year.

so, yes i'm a packrat. but i'm organized though.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 04, 2018, 09:45:55 am
TLDR; you’re a hoarder, got it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 04, 2018, 12:28:50 pm
TLDR; you’re a hoarder, got it.

yes,
i go through phases:
------------------------------------
portable handheld phase - bought about 30 of them, played them all once, now collecting dust,
have a broken sega gamegear (anyone want it).. and a working neo-geo pocket color.

led watches - bought about 20 of them, most are broken, and almost every single one has non-working batteries

lcd watches - bought about 40 of them, again almost every single one has non working batteries

pac-man collection - still going on, bought a collectors watch 2 years ago, never wear it, bought a moleskin booklet, calender, mouse pad

currently collecting little dot-s japanese pixel art toys [you put colored pegs on a grid to recreate arcade game sprites]
(https://cdn8.bigcommerce.com/s-fyb9z9qd3z/images/stencil/1000x1000/products/4700/31776/74__19020.1467786272.jpg?c=2)

also collecting random micro and mini arcade consoles [mostly namco titles]

this is all peanuts compared to my music collection of at least 2000 records, and 3000+ cd's....

i use to collect marbles, hot wheels cars, comic books, and model car/airplane/sci fit kits... but gave up on the model kits
after most of them became snap kits, i like the kind where you had to glue and paint everything yourself.

not sure what will catch my interest nowadays, there's not a lot, unless you count retrogaming and consoles.

everythings digital nowadays.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 04, 2018, 02:12:04 pm
Well now we know who's the rich guy here.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 04, 2018, 02:17:42 pm
I thought it was the guy with the 1.21 gigawatt home theater system.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 04, 2018, 02:45:44 pm
Well he didn't have any money, but now that the theater is installed the picture and sound are so much better that it seems like he has more.  He took some video of a dollar and it turned into 100 on the big screen.  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 04, 2018, 04:18:26 pm
Well now we know who's the rich guy here.  :cheers:

Griff
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 04, 2018, 05:13:10 pm
Well now we know who's the rich guy here.  :cheers:

nope. not anymore, ha ha.

if you notice, i almost buy everything used.
so that saves a lot of money.

and most of my stuff is from the 80s and 90s, when i was working.

i haven't had a job in about a decade now. i do part time tutoring and computer consulting now.

haven't had steady income for a long time.

not married, no kids, no rent, live in a paid off house.

so my only bills are food, gas, and phone pretty much (internet included in phone bill).

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 04, 2018, 05:16:22 pm
not married, no kids, no rent, live in a paid off house.
::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 04, 2018, 05:44:45 pm
not married, no kids, no rent, live in a paid off house.
::)

Is that a jealous eyeroll? :)

I have a wife and two kids in college.  I figure I could live comfortably on 1/4 of my salary if I was single.  But the wife and kids are worth it....kinda....  >:D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 04, 2018, 05:49:59 pm
kids are the worst STD
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 04, 2018, 06:24:24 pm
not married, no kids, no rent, live in a paid off house.
::)

Is that a jealous eyeroll? :)

I have a wife and two kids in college.  I figure I could live comfortably on 1/4 of my salary if I was single.  But the wife and kids are worth it....kinda....  >:D
Hah, not really. Being married for 10 years without having kids was awesome. Being parents now, is equally awesome, for different reasons.

No, the eyeroll was for Mr.TMI claiming he's not rich, with no dependents and no real bills (possible no life?) ...disposable income is next to being rich, tbh.

kids are the worst STD
Why you gotta say that about Abby-baby??  :'(
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 04, 2018, 06:52:49 pm
not married, no kids, no rent, live in a paid off house.
::)

Is that a jealous eyeroll? :)

I have a wife and two kids in college.  I figure I could live comfortably on 1/4 of my salary if I was single.  But the wife and kids are worth it....kinda....  >:D
Hah, not really. Being married for 10 years without having kids was awesome. Being parents now, is equally awesome, for different reasons.

No, the eyeroll was for Mr.TMI claiming he's not rich, with no dependents and no real bills (possible no life?) ...disposable income is next to being rich, tbh.


rich is in the eye of the beholder.

i make my own schedule, decide when and where to work. if i feel like it.
i try to do a lot of volunteer and social work, at a church, food bank, etc.

i spend about $20 a week on food. never eat out.

spend time reading, listening to music, watching tv/movies, and playing videogames.

it's kind of like retirement, but not quite.

i worked 50+ hours a week for years, and now am relaxing and enjoying life.

so what if i drive a 1991 car, and am technically under the poverty level (i only make 2-3k per year),

at least i am enjoying my health and time for now.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 04, 2018, 08:26:42 pm
Why you gotta say that about Abby-baby??  :'(
Exceptions to every rule #AbbyBaby
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 05, 2018, 07:08:51 pm
arcade 1up damage control:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZrsR-ilNA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZrsR-ilNA)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZrsR-ilNA#)

lots of little videos:
---------------------
replacing joysticks
installing panels
screen alignment
front/back panels


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTWW0QrflMjiRVfJUGn4pKw/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTWW0QrflMjiRVfJUGn4pKw/videos)


later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 05, 2018, 07:54:13 pm
Say what you want, but most companies would have ignored issues like artwork wear and such.  So cheers to them for stepping up and trying to make it right. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 06, 2018, 03:11:10 am
:laugh2: I love that he replaces the cheap sh*t with more cheap sh*t. I wonder how long those $6 encoders and dollarmart buttons will last lol

you obviously weren't paying attention. at 3:46 he intentionally says these are just basic replacements that
are an improvement on the stock controls.

if you want to go all out, and buy expensive arcade parts, go ahead, but this is about doing it on
a low inexpensive budget, and still getting some improvement.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 06, 2018, 10:20:02 am
you obviously weren't paying attention. at 3:46 he intentionally says these are just basic replacements that
are an improvement on the stock controls.

if you want to go all out, and buy expensive arcade parts, go ahead, but this is about doing it on
a low inexpensive budget, and still getting some improvement.

later
-1

Pretty sad observation if a $40 Amazon 2 player ENcoder/Button kit is an improvement over the ones they use in these !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 06, 2018, 10:34:12 am
:laugh2: I love that he replaces the cheap sh*t with more cheap sh*t. I wonder how long those $6 encoders and dollarmart buttons will last lol

you obviously weren't paying attention. at 3:46 he intentionally says these are just basic replacements that
are an improvement on the stock controls.

if you want to go all out, and buy expensive arcade parts, go ahead, but this is about doing it on
a low inexpensive budget, and still getting some improvement.

later
-1

Oh I was paying attention alright.  My point is why even bother replacing the stock parts if you are just going to use more cheapo parts? I get that he said if you want to keep costs down, but I disagree with that statement as you will end up paying for it in the end when these cheap "upgraded" components  break down or malfunction and you have to spend your time, energy and money fixing it.

That being said, it's not my cab so I really don't care and people can do what they want with their builds.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 06, 2018, 11:01:58 am
Say what you want, but most companies would have ignored issues like artwork wear and such.  So cheers to them for stepping up and trying to make it right.

Even more companies would have done it right the first time....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 06, 2018, 12:53:56 pm
LOL Nope!  Almost all corporations are evil and they try to get as much money with as little product as possible.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 06, 2018, 01:20:15 pm
Say what you want, but most companies would have ignored issues like artwork wear and such.  So cheers to them for stepping up and trying to make it right.

Even more companies would have done it right the first time....

i disagree,

there are far too many picky people here, and OCD also. i'm one of them.

show me a 'perfect' product, and i'll pick it apart in no time flat.

i've yet to find one.

there are acceptable and good products, but never any perfect ones.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 06, 2018, 01:23:35 pm
:laugh2: I love that he replaces the cheap sh*t with more cheap sh*t. I wonder how long those $6 encoders and dollarmart buttons will last lol

you obviously weren't paying attention. at 3:46 he intentionally says these are just basic replacements that
are an improvement on the stock controls.

if you want to go all out, and buy expensive arcade parts, go ahead, but this is about doing it on
a low inexpensive budget, and still getting some improvement.

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Oh I was paying attention alright.  My point is why even bother replacing the stock parts if you are just going to use more cheapo parts? I get that he said if you want to keep costs down, but I disagree with that statement as you will end up paying for it in the end when these cheap "upgraded" components  break down or malfunction and you have to spend your time, energy and money fixing it.

That being said, it's not my cab so I really don't care and people can do what they want with their builds.

this video is more of an example on how to do something, thats easy for noobies, and beginners.

it's not an advanced replacement, with arcade quality parts, which would be overkill at most times.

that being said, lets see what happens if someone gets around to replacing the spinner, and trackball,
because you can't really get cheap parts for those, and there may be more issues with encoders, and other things.

for what it was worth, i've never replaced parts before (except adjusting my spinners on blasteroids), so i learned a lot.

i will probably do a joystick replacement on pac-man, but that shouldn't be too hard either.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 06, 2018, 01:29:13 pm
LOL Nope!  Almost all corporations are evil and they try to get as much money with as little product as possible.

I could point out all the places selling cabinets that aren't absolute ---smurfing--- garbage, but what would be the point?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 06, 2018, 03:57:06 pm
Say what you want, but most companies would have ignored issues like artwork wear and such.  So cheers to them for stepping up and trying to make it right.

Even more companies would have done it right the first time....

i disagree,

there are far too many picky people here, and OCD also. i'm one of them.

show me a 'perfect' product, and i'll pick it apart in no time flat.

i've yet to find one.

there are acceptable and good products, but never any perfect ones.

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There’s a big difference between “perfect product” and “hey, gentle rubbing removes the art pretty easily”. All it would take is some research and throughout testing.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 06, 2018, 10:09:47 pm
They have addressed and are fixing the artwork issues and the Gauntlet crash issues: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZrsR-ilNA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUZrsR-ilNA)

This guy gives an "honest review". Be warned, he's a fairly positive person and I know some of you guys aren't looking for a positive review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrxwUjseT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbrxwUjseT8)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 06, 2018, 10:13:48 pm
For my 6 and 8 year old daughters, I ordered the Rampage model.

Down the line, I may swap in a Pandoras box, but for a while, they'll love Joust and Rampage.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 06, 2018, 11:39:10 pm

There’s a big difference between “perfect product” and “hey, gentle rubbing removes the art pretty easily”. All it would take is some research and throughout testing.

i agree.

the main issue here is they are NOT gamers, and never will be.

they don't care how the game plays, probably don't know how to play them, and probably think they are doing a good job.

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the weird thing here is they are mostly concerned with looks.

i wonder how much the breakdown on the price is, for just reproducing the artwork. half, maybe more...

i bet they only cared primarily about the look of the cabinet, and had no idea how people actually used it.


surely, somebody must have played it for a few hours, and they would have noticed issues, unless they
thought other people were only buying it for looks.


someone asked them if they have the 12-1 atari compilation for testing on facebook, and they said they didn't.

how ridiculous is that, that they don't have a machine they are making, or they claim that.

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since they are penny pinching on every single aspect of this machine,

i wonder how much it would cost, if they didn't include the artwork, and it was just a barebones machine.

would it be half the cost, or a third.

would people buy a bare cabinet, for under $100 if they offered them.


personally, as much as i like the artwork, considering the overall low quality of the machine, i would
definitely get a couple for a very low price [and no, i wouldn't want to cut my own, buy my own wood, etc].


i would sacrifice the artwork for a basic cabinet, and do a replacement on the controls, or not even have
the controls for my own savings. maybe they could beef up the thickness of the wood, make the cabinet
slightly wider, etc.

anyways, i'm sure they acquired huge stocks of all those low end parts, and cobbled together what they
thought was a good looking cabinet, that they thought people wouldnt play or pay attention to the controls,
and if they didn't play it much, it would look great for quite awhile.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 07, 2018, 01:27:25 am
I don't think that artwork costs as much as you think it costs.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 07, 2018, 02:19:58 pm
It potentially could.  I'm sure they use the same process to add the artwork that ikea furniture uses to put the fake wood pattern on the side of their furniture.  Unlike the furniture though, you can't just use a repeating pattern as it has to be aligned with the sides ect.   My point is a custom screen printing rig is probably involved which may or may not be expensive depending upon the size of these production runs. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 07, 2018, 03:53:58 pm
I assume it's just a giant sticker. The same crap you can get from a chinese printer. That whole cabinet (minus the bezel) looks to be about $30 worth of artwork or less.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 07, 2018, 04:12:18 pm
I assume it's just a giant sticker. The same crap you can get from a chinese printer. That whole cabinet (minus the bezel) looks to be about $30 worth of artwork or less.

Think you are correct -- If you look at the video of the worn off artwork you can see the white sticker surface they are printed on.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 07, 2018, 05:07:13 pm
I assume it's just a giant sticker. The same crap you can get from a chinese printer. That whole cabinet (minus the bezel) looks to be about $30 worth of artwork or less.

Think you are correct -- If you look at the video of the worn off artwork you can see the white sticker surface they are printed on.

they can try to think they can get away with it for the sideart too, since people aren't interacting with those parts.

so unless they're in direct sunlight, or rubbed against, they should last.

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again, i'm sure they tried to squeeze out the lowest price possible to reproduce the artwork, since that's the
part that catches peoples attention first.

i'm more concerned about the gameplay, and you know, actually playing the game properly.

the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 07, 2018, 08:26:45 pm
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 07, 2018, 09:02:19 pm
This is a pretty good picture to show another perspective on size

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 07, 2018, 09:04:30 pm
CP is lower than the one on a cabinet designed for sitting.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 07, 2018, 09:36:27 pm
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....

to me the graphics, contribute about 5% or less to my experience.

i look at it once, and forget about it.

i'm more interested in the actual game, and playing it properly.
i tend to try to master games that i play, and i'm not a casual player for most of them.
(i'm not competitive world record level, but i can hold my own on most classic arcade games).

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 08, 2018, 07:29:27 am
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....

to me the graphics, contribute about 5% or less to my experience.

i look at it once, and forget about it.

i'm more interested in the actual game, and playing it properly.
i tend to try to master games that i play, and i'm not a casual player for most of them.
(i'm not competitive world record level, but i can hold my own on most classic arcade games).

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Ok. So artwork does something.  I was afraid you were going to say 4% or even more shocking 3.25%!! Good think we got that straightened up...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 08, 2018, 08:38:30 am
The art doesn't do anything for the playability of the cab, but it does do something for the appeal of buying a product. en mass the art probably cost about $20 per machine based on size and quality.
I could probably get it printed for less than $40 but when you put in an order for that many, you get a deal on pricing.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ginsu Victim on October 08, 2018, 09:36:07 am
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....

to me the graphics, contribute about 5% or less to my experience.

i look at it once, and forget about it.

i'm more interested in the actual game, and playing it properly.
i tend to try to master games that i play, and i'm not a casual player for most of them.
(i'm not competitive world record level, but i can hold my own on most classic arcade games).

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Ok. So artwork does something.  I was afraid you were going to say 4% or even more shocking 3.25%!! Good think we got that straightened up...

:lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 08, 2018, 01:03:14 pm
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....

to me the graphics, contribute about 5% or less to my experience.

i look at it once, and forget about it.

i'm more interested in the actual game, and playing it properly.
i tend to try to master games that i play, and i'm not a casual player for most of them.
(i'm not competitive world record level, but i can hold my own on most classic arcade games).

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Ok. So artwork does something.  I was afraid you were going to say 4% or even more shocking 3.25%!! Good think we got that straightened up...


i've played on bootleg cabs, multicades, and real official multi cabinet games, and of course generic and converted cabinets.

most of them had terrible and horrible looking graphics, so in those cases playing on a cabinet with no graphics at all was preferable.

again, it still makes no difference to me whats actually on there, as far as impact on gameplay is.

(http://redfloorarcade.com/img/carousel/slide-1.jpg)
(http://www.multicades.com/images/main_full_cabi.gif)
(http://customkade.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Multicade_Classicl_Cyan_lowRes.png)

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i was looking up dig dug 2 to see if there was an official cabinet, apparently it was just a conversion kit, so there was no
dedicated version. i guess it was up to people to just leave the standard art, or just dump it into a plain cabinet.

so what do you suggest would be right for games that were conversion and upgrade only, and had no side art kits or control panels.

would it make any difference for the game.

no, i thought not.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 08, 2018, 01:46:45 pm
Ugh, that third one looks like ass. Which one of you here built it?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: thatpurplestuff on October 08, 2018, 02:03:00 pm
Quote

i've played on bootleg cabs, multicades, and real official multi cabinet games, and of course generic and converted cabinets.

most of them had terrible and horrible looking graphics, so in those cases playing on a cabinet with no graphics at all was preferable.

again, it still makes no difference to me whats actually on there, as far as impact on gameplay is.

I see what you are saying about artwork not effecting gameplay itself, but in terms of the overall "experience" I would say artwork is very important if not critical.  It's important to recognize, particularly for home use, that arcade cabinets spend most of their existence not actually being played.  They take up a large amount of space, with the people that live in the home and people visiting the home just walking by or glancing at it the vast majority of the time.  For the same reason that many games have an "attract mode" when not being played, artwork is important at drawing people in (or at the very least, having something cool to look at from afar).  Having a cabinet that looks fun is very important to me, as it will make me want to play it more as well as entice people that come visit to want to play it.

This was one of the reasons I preordered the Arcade1Up Rampage machine.  I love the Rampage artwork, and at first blush it looked like a screaming deal to have a miniature cab with close to original artwork for only $300.  I've got 2 little girls that will hopefully want to play arcade games every once in a while, so it seemed like a no-brainer given how little free time I have lately to actually build anything.

As silly and trivial as it sounds, the videos showing the unpainted backs of the Arcade1Up cabs was a huge red flag to me.  The amount of money saved by not painting that section had to be negligible, but if they were willing to cut corners there what does that mean for the rest of the build?  A few weeks later seeing the artwork rubbing off was enough to get me to cancel the preorder... I was willing to swap in better parts and throw a Pi in there for more functionality, but the main selling point for me was the aesthetics of the cab and it seems like too many compromises were made in that department for me to be comfortable throwing $300 their way.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 08, 2018, 02:03:27 pm
good for for him.

someone decided to rewire the buttons for playing defender:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM4u7zOyzWA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM4u7zOyzWA)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM4u7zOyzWA#)


baby steps, and at some point, he will get more wires, recable it, or mod the control panel completely
to make a modular replacement.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nitrogen_widget on October 08, 2018, 02:08:22 pm
Saw the centipede model unopened on FB market place for $330.
The scalping has begun!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 08, 2018, 03:06:37 pm
If you don't understand the value of the complete arcade experience, you're in the wrong place. Artwork is a major part of the experience. If you don't think so, then you should just stick to getting a rPi + an arcade controller, and not bother with an actual cabinet.   

Also, if you solely care so much about only the game-play experience, and haven't mentioned anything about these lacking original controls and layouts, than your point is moot.
Lunar Lander without a Throttle control is a terrible experience.  Defender with an 8-way joystick and 2 buttons is a terrible experience. Major Havoc without the roller controller is a terrible experience.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on October 08, 2018, 03:18:35 pm
If you don't understand the value of the complete arcade experience, you're in the wrong place. Artwork is a major part of the experience...

Absolutely agreed.  I was going to do a mock render of one those machines covered in ---smurfy--- hand drawn crayon artwork done by a 4-year-old but ..meh.  Artwork may not affect the mechanical gameplay but it sure enhances my playing enjoyment.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 08, 2018, 03:23:54 pm
Agreed.  If the games were the only part of equation that mattered this site literally wouldn't exist and we'd all be cramping our hands to try and play street fighter on a keyboard via mame.  Just pulling numbers out of my butt, I would actually say the game is only about 25% of the experience.  The controls are the other 25% and the cabinet designs along with the artwork is actually a whopping 50%  If you don't believe me then play something like Galaxy force II in the deluxe motion sim and then play in in mame on a gamepad in comparison and the game feels rather boring.  The experience is the full package. 

The art gets you to play the game in the first place and having good art on a repro reminds you of the first time you saw that cab out in the wild and how you were drawn to it.  Also it keeps the cab looking nice enough to where it doesn't have to be stuffed in an unseen corner somewhere. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 08, 2018, 04:17:50 pm
Of the ones that are out with this first batch - I think the Galaga and the street fighter make the most sense from a controls standpoint.  I ordered the Galaga and I intend to keep it 4-way vertical games only after my modifications.  The street fighter control setup is a standard 8-way with 6 button. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on October 08, 2018, 04:26:45 pm
I want to feel stoked and excited when I walk up to a machine, not disgusted.  A car gets you from point A to point B, but it's going to be a lot more fun to get in it if it looks hot.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 08, 2018, 05:24:35 pm
game and gameplay > controls >>>>>>>> cabinet >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> artwork

thats my order for games.

i've never been attracted to a game because of its artwork, or cabinet, and i do graphic design, art and photography on the side.

if the games controls aren't any good, i agree, then there's no point in even trying to play it, no matter how good the artwork looks.

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if you want something pretty, fine.

go nuts with the lighting, the marquees, the side panels, and control artwork... maybe you guys just like to appreciate how things look.

but to me, none of that matters, if the game isn't fun, and doesn't have controls that complement it.

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i'd say the majority of games i play are covered by:
joystick + buttons [1-6]

then a tiny minority are : trackball
even smaller : spinner
lastly : racing wheel, pedals

anything else, like yokes , and other non-standard ones i don't play enough to mention.

so these tiny cabinets, cover most of the use-cases for me.

replacing them with arcade quality parts should be easy enough,
and therefore the games will be too, i am only interested in:
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pac-man / galaga  -> modding cabinet, adding buttons
defender / joust

centipede/mlllipede/crystal castles [liberator, quantum] -> modding another cabinet controls
tempest

also i only play 1 player games, so i don't care about the secondary buttons or other players.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 08, 2018, 07:17:16 pm
Will you stop typing books about these crappy cabinets and buy one already? Mister "game play first" wants to buy a cab that is ridiculously too small with ridiculously bad controls. Oh I forgot, the monitor sucks too.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 08, 2018, 07:41:40 pm
Will you stop typing books about these crappy cabinets and buy one already? Mister "game play first" wants to buy a cab that is ridiculously too small with ridiculously bad controls. Oh I forgot, the monitor sucks too.

kinda hard to do when they're not out yet.

and the point was, i did want to replace the controls, duh.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 08, 2018, 07:46:21 pm
How about the monitor, the encoder, and overall form factor which is too small for an adult?

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 08, 2018, 07:48:53 pm
CP is lower than the one on a cabinet designed for sitting.

Yeah, it's an inch or so lower than the cocktail next to it, but it's higher than the cocktail in the back of the picture. The reason I posted the picture was to give a sense of scale. The A1up cabinets looked about 12" tall next to the pinball machine.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 09, 2018, 07:29:26 pm
more issues with major havoc and asteroids on the deluxe version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAGzX4ndMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAGzX4ndMQ)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wAGzX4ndMQ#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 09, 2018, 07:34:41 pm
I wonder if the issue is just with his cabinet? The other videos I saw showed normal performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmg5GlEtu2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmg5GlEtu2Y)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 09, 2018, 08:17:55 pm
I wonder if the issue is just with his cabinet? The other videos I saw showed normal performance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmg5GlEtu2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmg5GlEtu2Y)

that video is from the standalone version. so it's not known whether they copied the code over or modified it
for the deluxe causing the issue.

only one person mentioned they have the deluxe version, and have no issues with it, but only have tested it for one hour.

here are other games with issues on the deluxe, they all exhibit frame skipping issues to maintain framerate:
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asteroids problems : https://twitter.com/MichaelAtamian/status/1048921155955040257 (https://twitter.com/MichaelAtamian/status/1048921155955040257)

framerate issues:
tempest  : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsubuQNzA_k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsubuQNzA_k)
millipede : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22aWQgma8Y&t=2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o22aWQgma8Y&t=2s)
centipede : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9gRRDee5c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT9gRRDee5c)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: MikeyJ122 on October 09, 2018, 09:24:10 pm
I would "like" to have a couple of these at some point, yes. But they are by NO MEANS the best you can get, not even close imo. I've had a PC with MALA and all my games on it for a few years now, but I play them with 360 controllers. As others have said, it DOES take away from the experience. So I'm planning on going with the big 4 player machine from recroom masters, as soon as I can afford it. I figure if I'm gonna spend some money on it, I might as well get EXACTLY what I want. These little arcade 1 ups just won't do it for me.

As others have said, I also feel the art work IS important. That's why, when I get mine, I'm gonna have to go all out and have art work. Its NOT the most important aspect, no. But it helps really draw attention to them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 10, 2018, 12:04:17 am
interesting, i thought about this, but wasn't sure it was official

from a response on facebook about their upcoming line of cabinets:

"The current line of machines will not continue to be manufactured in 2019. They will be replaced with new machines."

So, if you really want one of the current models, don't wait too long, as the supply will dry up, and you'll probably
have to look for a used machine.

i knew about all the limited editions: pac-man, space invaders, galaga, and the deluxe

but this makes them all seem limited.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on October 10, 2018, 02:45:07 pm
the artwork, and the peripheral stuff does nothing to enhance, improve, or embellish the core principle of the
existence of this toy/game.

What? It totally helps with the overall experience. What you said doesn't even make sense....

100% agree - artwork (to me) is at least 50% of the equation.  If the art is bad or the shape of the cab is bad then I don't even want to play.  The way it looks in the home is so important - I can't overstate this enough.  It's why so many cool projects won't get a second look - it has to catch the eye.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 10, 2018, 04:45:22 pm
but this makes them all seem limited.

I predict this will be a total marketing ploy. They'll release the same kit next year with some small improvements. Or, they'll skip a year and do limited runs periodically.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 12, 2018, 12:58:18 am
here's the protective control panel cover for sf2, looks decent, good job kid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4r50LqBaw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4r50LqBaw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn4r50LqBaw#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 12, 2018, 01:17:45 am
That's actually no solution at all unless you still have a perfect CP.   :dunno
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on October 12, 2018, 10:13:30 am
That's actually no solution at all unless you still have a perfect CP.   :dunno

It also completely changes the feel because it lowers all of the buttons by the thickness of the acrylic.  Should have cut smaller holes and had everyone open up the CP, pop out the buttons and reinstall with the acrylic.  Buttons would also hold it in place.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: nexusmtz on October 12, 2018, 11:57:45 am
...Should have cut smaller holes and had everyone open up the CP, pop out the buttons and reinstall with the acrylic.  Buttons would also hold it in place.
Since the buttons snap in, they might not be able to get a good snap with the added thickness. If they're going to leave the kid with a scratched panel, they aren't going to care much about the feel either.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 13, 2018, 12:41:01 pm
I've been thinking on it, and I really think some of you naysayers need to look at the whole Arcade1up product line differently. It's really inspiring to see folks get the retro arcade bug and enjoying playing games from their youth. At some point, you felt the same excitement and wax nostalgic to bring an arcade game into your home. Before we agonized over controller types and fought about CRT vs LCD's, we were all grateful for the ability to just play the games from our youth again.

Arcade1up made some design and ergonomic decisions to make arcade games accessible to more people. This is a good thing as it increases the audience. There is a community starting to emerge with the modding bug and surely some of them will make their way here wanting to make their experience even more authentic. Unlike previous arcade attempts like iCade and arcade treasures, these units more closely resemble their big brothers and have a lot of people excited to play\mod\own them. Who knows how long this company will be around, but while they are around, I think these machines, and the people that play them, would be a nice injection of excitement and hopefully new faces into our community.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 13, 2018, 01:15:26 pm
I've been thinking on it, and I really think some of you naysayers need to look at the whole Arcade1up product line differently. It's really inspiring to see folks get the retro arcade bug and enjoying playing games from their youth. At some point, you felt the same excitement and wax nostalgic to bring an arcade game into your home. Before we agonized over controller types and fought about CRT vs LCD's, we were all grateful for the ability to just play the games from our youth again.

Arcade1up made some design and ergonomic decisions to make arcade games accessible to more people. This is a good thing as it increases the audience. There is a community starting to emerge with the modding bug and surely some of them will make their way here wanting to make their experience even more authentic. Unlike previous arcade attempts like iCade and arcade treasures, these units more closely resemble their big brothers and have a lot of people excited to play\mod\own them. Who knows how long this company will be around, but while they are around, I think these machines, and the people that play them, would be a nice injection of excitement and hopefully new faces into our community.

 :cheers:

stop making sense, and posting something meaningful,

you're supposed to be criticizing and complaining and make people feel dumb for buying them.

anyways, here's a closer look at the trackball, maybe someone can figure out how to
replace it with a decent one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9Zx8_zAqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9Zx8_zAqw)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS9Zx8_zAqw#)
later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 13, 2018, 03:14:43 pm
Man that trackball is ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.  Needs bearings. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on October 13, 2018, 04:39:58 pm
I've been thinking on it, and I really think some of you naysayers need to look at the whole Arcade1up product line differently. It's really inspiring to see folks get the retro arcade bug and enjoying playing games from their youth. At some point, you felt the same excitement and wax nostalgic to bring an arcade game into your home. Before we agonized over controller types and fought about CRT vs LCD's, we were all grateful for the ability to just play the games from our youth again.

Arcade1up made some design and ergonomic decisions to make arcade games accessible to more people. This is a good thing as it increases the audience. There is a community starting to emerge with the modding bug and surely some of them will make their way here wanting to make their experience even more authentic. Unlike previous arcade attempts like iCade and arcade treasures, these units more closely resemble their big brothers and have a lot of people excited to play\mod\own them. Who knows how long this company will be around, but while they are around, I think these machines, and the people that play them, would be a nice injection of excitement and hopefully new faces into our community.

 :cheers:

Which is what I said seven pages ago.

I have a slightly different take on these.  The fact that they are being made at all bodes well for the continuation of interest in Arcade machines......blah blah
 


Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 13, 2018, 04:42:14 pm
I've been thinking on it, and I really think some of you naysayers need to look at the whole Arcade1up product line differently. It's really inspiring to see folks get the retro arcade bug and enjoying playing games from their youth. At some point, you felt the same excitement and wax nostalgic to bring an arcade game into your home. Before we agonized over controller types and fought about CRT vs LCD's, we were all grateful for the ability to just play the games from our youth again.

Arcade1up made some design and ergonomic decisions to make arcade games accessible to more people. This is a good thing as it increases the audience. There is a community starting to emerge with the modding bug and surely some of them will make their way here wanting to make their experience even more authentic. Unlike previous arcade attempts like iCade and arcade treasures, these units more closely resemble their big brothers and have a lot of people excited to play\mod\own them. Who knows how long this company will be around, but while they are around, I think these machines, and the people that play them, would be a nice injection of excitement and hopefully new faces into our community.

 :cheers:


Which is what I said seven pages ago.

I have a slightly different take on these.  The fact that they are being made at all bodes well for the continuation of interest in Arcade machines......blah blah
 

Good point...

And 7 pages before that it was a little more optimistic, too. Maybe ever 7 pages or so, we need to remind everyone to quit being a negative Nancy.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 13, 2018, 05:17:32 pm
here's a replacement of the buttons on centipede to leaf switches:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc4cmLiSGqA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc4cmLiSGqA)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc4cmLiSGqA#)


later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebra on October 13, 2018, 09:16:01 pm
They're cheap (at $300) but probably priced about right for the level of quality....

For some people, low quality is a fair trade off for the low price.

Personally, as it's a diy assembly anyway, I would advise a friend to go for one of the many cheap bartop kits off eBay (or elsewhere) if a small arcade experience is the goal. Then add their own 19" LCD and a Raspberry PI.

The only way to make these old games look good on an HD LCD is with shaders. Being stuck with a single emulated game with no shaders and no dip switches is the worst of all worlds.

I don't get why all these companies do such a bad job. The software to make these games look good is free... I'm sure most of us can remember seeing mame for the first time on a flatscreen with no shaders. My reaction was "yuck! I don't remember SF2 looking so bad".

It's a shame they don't make CRTs anymore because one of these with a real 19" CRT would have a different story.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 14, 2018, 07:35:30 pm
They're cheap (at $300) but probably priced about right for the level of quality....

I don't get why all these companies do such a bad job. The software to make these games look good is free... I'm sure most of us can remember seeing mame for the first time on a flatscreen with no shaders. My reaction was "yuck! I don't remember SF2 looking so bad".

It's a shame they don't make CRTs anymore because one of these with a real 19" CRT would have a different story.

You answered your own question. CHEAP.

Also, CRTS are long gone, and due to weight issues, etc, its not worth it to put them in modern replicas.

Companies don't care about quality unless you pay for it, and even then they don't. See the issues
with the centipede replicade, and the 1/4 inch pac-man, they are premium prices, but still have faults.

Unless you do it yourself, and do it your way, you won't get quality.
I've been watching a lot of TNT amusement videos, and many arcade cabinets that cost $thousands of dollars
have issues with the monitors, controls, artwork, etc, so even brand new or refurbished cabinets can have problems.

Even if you build it yourself, you still need to take care,  pay attention, and decide whats the cutoff on
acceptable, vs perfect, vs time, vs money.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 14, 2018, 10:28:06 pm
I've been watching a lot of TNT amusement videos, and many arcade cabinets that cost $thousands of dollars
have issues with the monitors, controls, artwork, etc, so even brand new or refurbished cabinets can have problems.
Careful, your noob is showing.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 15, 2018, 02:50:51 am
Played the Asteroids and Galaga cabs tonight, these things are so cheaply made (worse than I initially thought). These should be under $200 considering the build quality and components in use.

The controls are functional on the Galaga but feel horrible, the Asteroids cab spinner has to be a joke (if that was play tested :dizzy: they should get new testers that have actually played arcade games before).
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 15, 2018, 11:43:46 am
Played the Asteroids and Galaga cabs tonight, these things are so cheaply made (worse than I initially thought). These should be under $200 considering the build quality and components in use.

Yeah but after you replace everything these are good little cabs that anyone 3' 4" or shorter can enjoy.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 15, 2018, 12:34:58 pm
I wonder what their profit margin is on these?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 15, 2018, 01:04:50 pm
I know it's about the $$$ but I wonder how long it will be before a license is pulled, before one of these companies realizes their property is being treated so poorly (with the little $25 plastic toys it's expected but at $300 it can certainly reflect poorly upon the games themselves).

Hopefully they can pull it together and up the quality a bit before it's too late. I think the idea is great for kids, it's just coming down to poor execution.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 15, 2018, 01:11:18 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181015/9d72a86a27ace27ab1dfa946b7085933.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 15, 2018, 01:14:48 pm
 :o
:laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 15, 2018, 01:36:34 pm
Played the Asteroids and Galaga cabs tonight, these things are so cheaply made (worse than I initially thought). These should be under $200 considering the build quality and components in use.

The controls are functional on the Galaga but feel horrible, the Asteroids cab spinner has to be a joke (if that was play tested :dizzy: they should get new testers that have actually played arcade games before).

i doubt they had playtesters.

but whats wrong with the galaga controls.
is there lag.

how hard is it to do a 2 directional joystick.

also, can you do the no shoot trick on galaga, and does it work.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 15, 2018, 03:53:54 pm
a better quality mod : sanwa joysticks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAr92WXq6j4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAr92WXq6j4)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAr92WXq6j4#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebra on October 15, 2018, 06:32:22 pm
They're cheap (at $300) but probably priced about right for the level of quality....

I don't get why all these companies do such a bad job. The software to make these games look good is free... I'm sure most of us can remember seeing mame for the first time on a flatscreen with no shaders. My reaction was "yuck! I don't remember SF2 looking so bad".

It's a shame they don't make CRTs anymore because one of these with a real 19" CRT would have a different story.

You answered your own question. CHEAP.

Also, CRTS are long gone, and due to weight issues, etc, its not worth it to put them in modern replicas.

Companies don't care about quality unless you pay for it, and even then they don't. See the issues
with the centipede replicade, and the 1/4 inch pac-man, they are premium prices, but still have faults.

Unless you do it yourself, and do it your way, you won't get quality.
I've been watching a lot of TNT amusement videos, and many arcade cabinets that cost $thousands of dollars
have issues with the monitors, controls, artwork, etc, so even brand new or refurbished cabinets can have problems.

Even if you build it yourself, you still need to take care,  pay attention, and decide whats the cutoff on
acceptable, vs perfect, vs time, vs money.

later
-1


It's so true and yet, still such a shame. Ever since I was a kid, I have been waiting for someone to offer a real arcade experience at home. I'm still waiting...

There are plenty of companies claiming to offer "true arcade quality" accessories, cabs and kits but the reality is always a long way off.

CRTs may be long gone in terms of putting them in a mass-produced cab but, there are still some crt arcade monitors available new and still plenty of used CRT TVs being put on curbs and in the trash. For anyone who is up for any sort of DIY project, there is no reason not to use a CRT. They are just better for SF2 and Final Fight.

It is also worth noting that there are still some arcades closing down and throwing old cabs in the trash. I witnessed such an event today. I rescued an X-men Children of the Atom cab that was being dropped in a skip. It was 100% working apart from the monitor too... so I got a free real 6 button cab.

If I was going to introduce my son to the old games I used to play, I wouldn't want it to be on a 1up cab.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 15, 2018, 07:22:27 pm
For anyone who is up for any sort of DIY project, there is no reason not to use a CRT. They are just better for SF2 and Final Fight.

I have used arcade monitors, PC monitors, LCD's and TV's. There are plenty of reasons to not use a CRT, but the biggest reason not to use one is if you don't really see the difference. The worse suggestion there is to use a TV. I'd suggest a LCD before I'd recommend a TV.

I've veered away from arcade authenticity a few times and it's not something that takes away from the experience for me. I've wired up all my coin doors, but I don't use them anymore - I use the credit button. I prefer a wico 4 way for my Nintendo games. I like my games to be in pretty cabinets with no cigarette burns, something I've rarely encountered in the wild. Every person has a different level of authenticity for them.

I think these cabinets are neat, but what I really like is all the buzz and excitement people are getting from playing the classics.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 15, 2018, 07:48:25 pm
Hah! Don't listen to him, he uses a spinner for Time Pilot and Gyruss!  >:D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 15, 2018, 08:42:00 pm
Hah! Don't listen to him, he uses a spinner for Time Pilot and Gyruss!  >:D

The way they were meant to be played!

So, the asteroids cabinet.... that's an odd duck from the get go. While the LCD monitor is something I personally can overlook, the spinner quality is important to me so Tempest would be important to get right. If I loved Asteroids, I'd be more interested. I think it's the best looking cabinet of the bunch.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 15, 2018, 10:33:51 pm
so as no surprise, pac-man is the black friday model at wal-mart,
you can order online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j0d5dahG0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j0d5dahG0)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-j0d5dahG0#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 15, 2018, 11:29:46 pm
footage of liberator, quantum, gravitar, and major havoc from the deluxe,
he's not very good at any of the games though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIUTGceOmQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIUTGceOmQ)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYIUTGceOmQ#)

1) liberator looks tough to play with the trackball response being very slow,
   also the arcade version had a game breaking bug where you can't play past level 19,
   so i doubt anyone will get to it

2) quantum looks unplayable with the trackball response, needs to be faster than that

3) gravitar plays decently, hard to tell, he didn't actually play any of the real game


he also showed asteroids deluxe in another video, gameplay looks ok, but they went
with coloring vectors white, as opposed to blue.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: gameconsultants on October 16, 2018, 05:34:45 pm
Yesterday I received my 12-1 preorder from Best Buy.

What follows are my thoughts, gripes, and a few questions for some of you experts that have more diy control building experience than I do.
?’s are at the bottom if you don’t wanna read my diatribe.

Thoughts:  game was shipped inside just its retail box. Worrisome...as I had been shown one of the GameStop preorders in the back room at my local branch, and they had placed the colorful display box inside a sturdy cardboard outer box for shipping.
Box was damaged in the corner... and I was dreading having to contact “customer support” at BestBuy or Arcade 1Up.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/671b5910c63522e7f21ec35f590f391f.jpg)

(As it turns out, there was no damage, but c’mon cheapskates!...I’m sure some people had to deal with having a damaged unit they’ve been anxiously waiting for...or won’t find out until Christmas morning when they are opening it up)

Assembly was pretty straightforward and the build quality of the cabinet and riser seem to be sturdy enough to withstand the play style of an adult who understands that this is a toy, not a commercial machine.

Gripe: the arcade cabinet is not designed to be placed on their branded riser from the start.
There are no pre-drilled connection holes to affix the upper lip of the riser to the cabinet, so the give you 4 self tapping screws to bore into and through the lower inch of the cabinet.
So... now I’ll have 4 ugly screw holes in my cab if I ever decide to take it off the riser.
Kinda weak.

Aside: I did get a kick out of the build instructions that seemed to go out of their way to warn people what NOT to do... I often forget/am saddened by just how stupid/impatient/distracted the average person is, and even given their very clear and well written build instructions there’s still going to be people using glue and tape to fix their asinine mistakes...or, more likely, complaining to the company that they deserve a free replacement cause...ya know... they deserve special treatment...(hey you kids! Get off my porch!)

Machine assembled...
Seems like a well made toy.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/3eaff4827cf0dfb261c0d6da56070c0d.jpg)

On screen instructions for control scheme are not accurate for some games, so they include an extra booklet to explain what they “meant” to include in their on screen instructions.
As a retired video game designer, from a time before everything needed a downloadable hot fix... it’s maddening to see how poorly tested and edited things are these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/cdef721e1fc8f23e342a9d5fc3975a5d.jpg)
This unit can’t install any fixes...so how come nobody was in charge of testing?! Not I have an extra little sticker (that they provided) stuck on my machine that addresses only ONE of the issues... again... rush job on the testing, or total incompetence?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/181539aca63f13d76da2239e4a062cdc.jpg)

I’m available for hire folks! Lol

Gripe: trackball doesn’t work on Major Havoc!? ( even though they offer using the D and E buttons as optional controls?! Really?) the trackball is the closest to the original dedicated version... but that assumes that they had smart old arcade nerds working for them...clearly not.

Gripe: B button was unresponsive on my unit. (no input at all, on any of the games. Where the F is my Super Zapper?!) had to disassemble the CP and fiddle/reseat the wires for the B button using light pressure...which solved the issue, but again... shoddy testing on the manufacturing floor...

Biggest gripe:
The spinner controller is so very crappy and cheap!
Understanding that this is a toy... but also all the Arcade 1Up advertising touted a real authentic arcade experience... the spinner is so lame, that it may force me to sell this 12-1 on Craigslist before Xmas and re-invest in an actual original, shopped out Tempest machine instead.

It would be Sad to let go of Quantum, and Major Havoc... 2 games that are too rare and $$$ for me, but I’d rather have an original Tempest for $1500.00 than this 12-1 with Riser at $400.00!

Which brings me to...
Question!

Expert advice needed!
I want to swap out the lame spinner for a nicer, weighted one!
I know it’ll take some hacking, but I bet someone out there will be able to figure it out!?

I’ve seen ETA Prime’s Raspberry Pi installed into the Arcade 1Up video... and it seems like once THAT step is completed... maybe a USB based off the shelf spinner could be installed?
Ultimate Spintrak maybe, or something better if anyone has suggestions?

I’m even willing to try and fabricate something if anyone has ideas...

I’m just ignorant to how the inner programming will be able to read the new spinner inputs...

I may actually replace the cheap loud “clicking” buttons on the CP as well, as I can see from how they were made, they won’t last long.
That’s a simple task I imagine...

Anyhow...
I’ve gone on long enough.
I’m sure I’ve missed many thoughts and gripes, and will no doubt generate many more after putting in s few hours of playing/testing...but I mostly wanted to throw my hat into the ring of the “ this spinner sucks...how do I fix it” ring to see if any smart peoples out there can figure out a workable hack to elevate this toy into an actual fun machine...worthy of being inches away from my Robotron!

-thanks
Greg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 16, 2018, 07:23:31 pm
Yesterday I received my 12-1 preorder from Best Buy.

What follows are my thoughts, gripes, and a few questions for some of you experts that have more diy control building experience than I do.
?’s are at the bottom if you don’t wanna read my diatribe.

Thoughts:  game was shipped inside just its retail box. Worrisome...as I had been shown one of the GameStop preorders in the back room at my local branch, and they had placed the colorful display box inside a sturdy cardboard outer box for shipping.
Box was damaged in the corner... and I was dreading having to contact “customer support” at BestBuy or Arcade 1Up.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/671b5910c63522e7f21ec35f590f391f.jpg)

(As it turns out, there was no damage, but c’mon cheapskates!...I’m sure some people had to deal with having a damaged unit they’ve been anxiously waiting for...or won’t find out until Christmas morning when they are opening it up)

Assembly was pretty straightforward and the build quality of the cabinet and riser seem to be sturdy enough to withstand the play style of an adult who understands that this is a toy, not a commercial machine.

Gripe: the arcade cabinet is not designed to be placed on their branded riser from the start.
There are no pre-drilled connection holes to affix the upper lip of the riser to the cabinet, so the give you 4 self tapping screws to bore into and through the lower inch of the cabinet.
So... now I’ll have 4 ugly screw holes in my cab if I ever decide to take it off the riser.
Kinda weak.

Aside: I did get a kick out of the build instructions that seemed to go out of their way to warn people what NOT to do... I often forget/am saddened by just how stupid/impatient/distracted the average person is, and even given their very clear and well written build instructions there’s still going to be people using glue and tape to fix their asinine mistakes...or, more likely, complaining to the company that they deserve a free replacement cause...ya know... they deserve special treatment...(hey you kids! Get off my porch!)

Machine assembled...
Seems like a well made toy.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/3eaff4827cf0dfb261c0d6da56070c0d.jpg)

On screen instructions for control scheme are not accurate for some games, so they include an extra booklet to explain what they “meant” to include in their on screen instructions.
As a retired video game designer, from a time before everything needed a downloadable hot fix... it’s maddening to see how poorly tested and edited things are these days.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/cdef721e1fc8f23e342a9d5fc3975a5d.jpg)
This unit can’t install any fixes...so how come nobody was in charge of testing?! Not I have an extra little sticker (that they provided) stuck on my machine that addresses only ONE of the issues... again... rush job on the testing, or total incompetence?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181016/181539aca63f13d76da2239e4a062cdc.jpg)

I’m available for hire folks! Lol

Gripe: trackball doesn’t work on Major Havoc!? ( even though they offer using the D and E buttons as optional controls?! Really?) the trackball is the closest to the original dedicated version... but that assumes that they had smart old arcade nerds working for them...clearly not.

Gripe: B button was unresponsive on my unit. (no input at all, on any of the games. Where the F is my Super Zapper?!) had to disassemble the CP and fiddle/reseat the wires for the B button using light pressure...which solved the issue, but again... shoddy testing on the manufacturing floor...

Biggest gripe:
The spinner controller is so very crappy and cheap!
Understanding that this is a toy... but also all the Arcade 1Up advertising touted a real authentic arcade experience... the spinner is so lame, that it may force me to sell this 12-1 on Craigslist before Xmas and re-invest in an actual original, shopped out Tempest machine instead.

It would be Sad to let go of Quantum, and Major Havoc... 2 games that are too rare and $$$ for me, but I’d rather have an original Tempest for $1500.00 than this 12-1 with Riser at $400.00!

Which brings me to...
Question!

Expert advice needed!
I want to swap out the lame spinner for a nicer, weighted one!
I know it’ll take some hacking, but I bet someone out there will be able to figure it out!?

I’ve seen ETA Prime’s Raspberry Pi installed into the Arcade 1Up video... and it seems like once THAT step is completed... maybe a USB based off the shelf spinner could be installed?
Ultimate Spintrak maybe, or something better if anyone has suggestions?

I’m even willing to try and fabricate something if anyone has ideas...

I’m just ignorant to how the inner programming will be able to read the new spinner inputs...

I may actually replace the cheap loud “clicking” buttons on the CP as well, as I can see from how they were made, they won’t last long.
That’s a simple task I imagine...

Anyhow...
I’ve gone on long enough.
I’m sure I’ve missed many thoughts and gripes, and will no doubt generate many more after putting in s few hours of playing/testing...but I mostly wanted to throw my hat into the ring of the “ this spinner sucks...how do I fix it” ring to see if any smart peoples out there can figure out a workable hack to elevate this toy into an actual fun machine...worthy of being inches away from my Robotron!

-thanks
Greg


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thank you for your honest evaluation of the product.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 16, 2018, 07:56:18 pm
Good thoughts there.

The spinner and trackball were the controls I was worried about the most. My local Walmart has the Asteroids cabinet and I gave the controls a quick once over. I liked the buttons fine. They seemed like Happ style controls, but the spinner was as bad as the reviews I had heard. The cabinet you got was the one I was worried about the most. For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised with the look/feel of the cabinet and the cabinet design. Way more than the Midway Treasure cabinets.

I don't know what would be involved with swapping out the spinner. I don't think it would simply be a 1-for-1 swap.

ETA Primes video is really about utilizing the monitor, controls and box. It replaces the brain, so adding in your own GGG spinner would be a no-brainer.

I'll be in for a couple of these. Starting off with the Rampage cabinet first. It'll be interesting to see what kind of options become available.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 16, 2018, 08:36:29 pm
Biggest gripe:
The spinner controller is so very crappy and cheap!
Understanding that this is a toy... but also all the Arcade 1Up advertising touted a real authentic arcade experience... the spinner is so lame, that it may force me to sell this 12-1 on Craigslist before Xmas and re-invest in an actual original, shopped out Tempest machine instead.

It would be Sad to let go of Quantum, and Major Havoc... 2 games that are too rare and $$$ for me, but I’d rather have an original Tempest for $1500.00 than this 12-1 with Riser at $400.00!

Which brings me to...
Question!

Expert advice needed!
I want to swap out the lame spinner for a nicer, weighted one!
I know it’ll take some hacking, but I bet someone out there will be able to figure it out!?

I’ve seen ETA Prime’s Raspberry Pi installed into the Arcade 1Up video... and it seems like once THAT step is completed... maybe a USB based off the shelf spinner could be installed?
Ultimate Spintrak maybe, or something better if anyone has suggestions?

I’m even willing to try and fabricate something if anyone has ideas...

I’m just ignorant to how the inner programming will be able to read the new spinner inputs...

I may actually replace the cheap loud “clicking” buttons on the CP as well, as I can see from how they were made, they won’t last long.
That’s a simple task I imagine...


-thanks
Greg

1) spinner, i haven't seen any videos of mods yet. at some point there will be one.
if you put in a new encoder, pi or your own pc, with usb inputs you can get an ultimarc.
i have a USB spinner already, and here's another one that will be out someday:
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/281065-diy-usb-rotary-control-watari-style-knob/ (http://atariage.com/forums/topic/281065-diy-usb-rotary-control-watari-style-knob/)

2) there are videos of replacing the buttons with leaf switches

lastly, the trackball should work with major havoc, not sure why yours didn't.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on October 17, 2018, 05:21:22 am
Are you guys buying these cabinets for your kids? Or just because you want own them?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jdevane on October 17, 2018, 08:21:52 am
I pre-ordered the Galaga machine originally, but cancelled it a while back and the more I read and see, the more I'm glad I did.  Not that I'm down on anyone for having one, because I get there are reasons for getting one.  But this whole thing encouraged me to pick up some hardwood plywood and try once again to build my own.  I have actually learned a lot about building a template for the side and then routing out rough cut panels.  Now I just need to purchase my screen and fill in the rest.

What I did like about these was the space saving they had.  But I didn't like the height, so I used my vinyl cutter with a pen plotter adapter to draw a template on paper that was only half the depth of a real machine....  Because my room is 30' long but only 8' wide, I wanted to not waste a lot of floor space, because I also have my tvs mounted on the end wall in this room and you need to be able to see them at the end when sitting on the couch.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on October 17, 2018, 09:51:29 pm
Saw these at Walmart tonight.  The Galaga was slightly larger than I expected.  It was somewhat wobbly and the controls did seem cheap.  Having said that it did look striking from a distance. 

I wouldn't want one of these myself but they are kinda cool. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 17, 2018, 11:03:35 pm
ok people, sit back and relax.

got to try out 2 units today. the asteroids cabinet at thinkgeek,
and sf2 at gamestop.

yes, there are tons of reviews out there, but have any gamers,
and i mean dedicated, real, or expert gamers tried these out?

i haven't seen any dedicated reviews yet. only short previews.

i'm not going to bother going over the pro's and con's or the
basic information about the games, sounds, lists, etc. as they are sometimes
personal opinions, or have already been gone over many times already.


i'm not an expert on every game, but i do know my way around them.
these are my opinions.

-------------------------------SKIP------------------------------------------------

tldr version:
==============================
controls are not arcade accurate - but actually, and surprisingly do the job for average players,
                                   they are terrible for intermediate and expert players

games play near arcade accuracy - framerate, and response is decent, graphics are blocky and pixelly of course


screen angles are shallow - but are pretty vibrant enough in most cases, the vector games looked dim though

===========================================================================================================

STOP READING HERE, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS


-------------------------------SKIP------------------------------------------------


the long picky review follows:

i am going to go into boring gameplay details,
response times, and control mechanics for the games i know.

================================================================================
background -
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i  have been playing videogames from the days of pong, breakout and space invaders
i stopped playing them in the late 90's, and 00's when deluxe units were the norm.

i do know most of the atari, williams, namco, and capcom library inside and out.

i am NOT an expert at every game, but have played all of them either extensively
in the arcade when they originally came out, at home in MAME, and in pretty much
every port on PC, console, and remake that has come out.

hardware control experience
----------------------------
i have used arcade controls, buttons, trackballs and spinners since they came out.

i have home versions of those controls, and actually don't use dpads or analog stick
on any console unless i'm forced to.

my preference is always dedicated controls for arcade games


arcade gaming habits
-----------------------
i play arcade games, or ports pretty much every day, through the 80's, i stopped
in the 90's, and then picked up mame, and played it every day for a few years.
stopped again, until the 2nd year of the xbox 360. got gameroom, and pretty much
every arcade game, and port on those systems. i have continued this when ports
started showing up on the xbox one. i have played them on the playstation also,
but only the original and PS2, and now the PSP 2000.

lately, over the last couple of years, i have been playing arcade ports and games
everyday for a least a few hours. i usually place in the top 1-10 place on games
that i'm an expert in, and below that on other games.

======================================
now with that out of the way, lets get to the cabinets


time spent playing
==========================================================================
i have spent at least an hour with each cabinet, and at least 10-15 minutes
on each game, to get a good feel for them. any more than that wouldn't have
helped [except for tempest, which i sacrificed some time playing]

on street fighter, i spent 20 minutes with each title, trying out different
characters, and different sides to play.


atari cabinet with asteroids
==========================================================================
condition of cabinet - the control panel had the bottom portion totally
worn out from people playing, the store guy said it had been there about
a week. the buttons and the rest of the cabinet was in good shape

durability - the cabinets are super flimsy, and shake when you play. i barely
tapped the buttons, and the cabinet was shaking. i was playing sitting down
on a chair. which was fine for the time i played, but it just felt wrong.
there were no risers, and i missed standing up.

ergonomics - as i mentioned the sitting down part threw me off, but i got used to it.

the much bigger issue is the hands and wrists, along with the buttons and joysticks.

for asteroids, the buttons do click, which is fine, but annoying. i did notice the spacing,
while probably close to the arcade spacing is ok, but probably not exact or even scaled to
be accurate. if you're used to the arcade buttons, you need to get used to the spacing
and response of these buttons. there is a difference, but for the most part its ok.

the thing that killed my wrists, was that the nice gentle 5-10 degree(?) slope of the
arcade was gone, and now it's just this flat panel. i would definitely hike those up
somehow with supports to make it feel better. granted i didn't play that long, but i
could tell, it would be different after playing for long periods of time.

gameplay -
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
asteroids
=========
- managed to play to 10k, and quit, i used the saucer hunting method, and could
have played for awhile longer, but i only wanted to play to see if it worked, and if i could
do it. the buttons had a precise enough feel, and moved in increments that allowed for precision
shooting. it took a little bit of time to get used to the scale of the monitor, and a feel
for the response from pressing the button to the actual firing response.

everything worked out fine, didn't notice any lag. the response rate for left and right
spins with the buttons seemed to be accurate, and the framerate was ok, i was able to
maneuver pretty well, dodge asteroids, shots and ships without any issues.

saucer hunting worked out well. it will be interesting to see if good players can
wrack up enough extra men to go off the screen, and if the game slows down.

this game is playable and worked out ok. except for the missing vector glow, and the
dim graphics, this is a passable emulated version. the home version have more features,
settings, and options of course. on home consoles you can also play with buttons, and
simulate this pretty well.


lunar lander
============
- i managed to get several 5x landings, i forgot my score, but once i managed
some landings and crashes, i quit playing. i an not an expert at this game, but i find it
too boring to play for long.

i did play the arcade version with the big old handle to manipulate the thrust more precisely.
obviously they couldn't do that here, so you will have to make do with a less precise button
push. they might have been able to map that to the dial, but they didn't try that.

again, the game is playable, and the controls map over almost ok. there's not much
to this game, so there's not a lot more to say about it.

major havoc
============
- i got through a few levels, but that was about it. i don't know the warp codes,
and actually wasn't that good at it in the arcades. i have played several home
ports with different controls.

as you know, the original had a roller cylinder, which was converted over to a spinner
for conversion from a tempest machine. here of course, it is played using the dial.

to me, this game is nearly unplayable with the dial as it is. i have seen the mods,
and changes that people claim make the game better, but have yet to see anyone play
deep in the game with those changes.

for me the issue is momentum and speed with the dial. given enough time, maybe i could
get good enough to use what they've encoded to read the dial to move the character.
however, i did try the buttons also, as they alternate controls, but didn't find them
any better.

if anyone out there is good at major havoc, please play it and comment.

i can't say much more, because i don't feel the controls can be used to accurately
play to the game to any level. its fine for the shooter part, and other levels, but
even the mini breakout game is subpar, let alone the actual gameplay.


tempest
=======
this is the game i have the most experience with, i've played through it on easy settings
to the random green levels (99) and beyond. and hit about 450k (light blue levels) on defaults.
[i have videos on youtube showing playthroughs of all the levels into yellow, light blue,
invisible, and green levels, and some random ones up to 1 million plus points]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYvmDmEBpDs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYvmDmEBpDs)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYvmDmEBpDs#)

i played this until level 16, and about 100k points. i could have played further, but i felt
that was enough to get a good idea of how it plays.

the dial/spinner is inadequate for this game. the non-free spinning, and click stops alter
the gameplay a lot of the times. i say that, but it actually depends on your playing style.

it turns out, you don't need to do super fast spins, or quick moves, unless you play that way.
most beginners do that. but it turns out that slow calculated maneuvers, and precise movements
are the best for mid to expert levels.

i didn't get to the red levels, which is the first time you see pulsars. later levels will
have pulsar, and fuseball tankers and other enemies you don't see early on. guess what the best way to take those
out, is to do slow 1 segment moves to the left and right which can easily be done using this
spinner.

the thing that killed me the most was the response of the buttons when firing. you have
to time your shots precisely when the flippers are on you to kill them, and maybe i'm rusty,
but thats how most of my deaths came. not from the shots. it was easy enough to shoot the
stream of shots, activate the super zapper, and kill fuses, and spikes.

i don't think there's a lag in firing. but in the time i played it, maybe i didn't get use
to the response of this emulated version. i have no problem playing it on any of the home
console versions on the xbox 360, or the xbox one.

could i do better on this game, yes, but it would take a lot of time and effort.

i'm not sure that modding the dial would actually help, which is surprising to me.
=======================================================================================


Final thoughts
----------------
overall, i would give 1up arcades a grade of C for effort.
D for quality and longevity, B for emulation, C for graphics.

So an average of C overall grading, or 3/5 stars for the price.

Take into account the games you like, how much you will play them,
and how rough these things will be handled.

To me, i don't want to say they feel like they are breaking apart at any time,
because these were worn out demo units.

If you don't play often, these things will last and look good.
If you do play often, they WILL wear out, the buttons, the controls, etc, eventually.

They should have some kind of riser, or you are really missing out on the arcade
feel of it.

Modding the buttons and dials, will do some good perhaps, but in the end,
its probably a placebo, unless you are an expert at major havoc. Tempest
is playable if you can alter your playstyle.

A valiant, but in the end subpar experience, unless you're going for nostalgia,
and love asteroids or lunar lander, and are ok with the compromises.

I will do a separate in depth review of the Street fighter 2 cabinet also.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 06:44:33 am
Final thoughts
----------------
overall, i would give 1up arcades a grade of C for effort.
D for quality and longevity, B for emulation, C for graphics.

I agree with a C for overall grade, but "graphics" should be a much higher grade. It should be an A or possibly a B if you count the non-lit marquee against them. You can say the ergonomics are a C because it's not full size and it can be cramped, but it has full side art, CP art, marquee, front panel. You may not like the art, but the Asteroids cab has the best artwork of all of them I think.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 10:22:34 am
Final thoughts
----------------
overall, i would give 1up arcades a grade of C for effort.
D for quality and longevity, B for emulation, C for graphics.

I agree with a C for overall grade, but "graphics" should be a much higher grade. It should be an A or possibly a B if you count the non-lit marquee against them. You can say the ergonomics are a C because it's not full size and it can be cramped, but it has full side art, CP art, marquee, front panel. You may not like the art, but the Asteroids cab has the best artwork of all of them I think.

I should have clarified what I meant, but actually I stand by that. I know I don't really care about the
artwork/graphics, but I can still appreciate them.

The side panels art not full sized, and are cropped and zoomed. The marquee is cropped also, and does not match the
arcade, and as you say is not lit up. The Control panel has the lettering on the wrong area. The spacing is wrong.

NOTHING MATCHES THE ARCADE AT ALL, or is even close.

arcade 1up side art:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_bf61df0d-10a8-45d0-a1c5-04205c51ebcc?wid=1400)

actual arcade:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/28/45/9d28459cb91d62ef3b9e51be1c878149.jpg)

marquee 1up:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_d90c74e1-4064-4460-b709-0f1a7ed84bae?wid=1400)

arcade:
(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/w1600/pict/231822640336_/Asteroids-Arcade-Marquee-237-x-81.jpg)

control panel 1up:
(https://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/GUEST_904da17e-63a4-4a67-8579-984d078d75b1?wid=488&hei=488&fmt=pjpeg)

arcade:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/8c/23/618c238be0811a17d05aade49a858f98.jpg)


They did a very poor job on trying to match the arcade graphics. Its due to the different cabinet shape too,
but the fact is, they don't care about details, as with everything else. So why would they care about the
details of scaling, and matching these either.

I'm sorry, but I could a much better job, because I actually care about details like that.

To me, its just purely sloppy, much like almost everything else related to this cabinet.

I'm not being picky for the sake of being picky, the audience on this site is much more knowledgeable than
I am, and even I can see the differences that glaring stand out.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 11:17:47 am
I'm struggling trying to understand how you could give any weight at all to graphics, especially considering your stance on it.

They could have put nothing on the sides and saved a few bucks. As it is, they created a form factor and are applying artwork to match the arcade cabinet shape.

You say they did a "very poor" job. That's a strong statement when you look at the sideart side by side:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157888.0;attach=372117;image)

Hard to believe you're calling that a "very poor" job. I'm betting I could get one of the resident naysayers to at least grunt in approval.

Either way, it's a subjective topic, but you are being overly harsh.



Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 11:21:01 am
I might go so far as to suggest they improved the sideart and utilized the space better as it fills up the top 3rd of the cabinet and didn't lose any of the impact from the original

A+++++++++++

 ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 11:45:27 am
I'm struggling trying to understand how you could give any weight at all to graphics, especially considering your stance on it.

They could have put nothing on the sides and saved a few bucks. As it is, they created a form factor and are applying artwork to match the arcade cabinet shape.

You say they did a "very poor" job. That's a strong statement when you look at the sideart side by side:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157888.0;attach=372117;image)

Hard to believe you're calling that a "very poor" job. I'm betting I could get one of the resident naysayers to at least grunt in approval.

Either way, it's a subjective topic, but you are being overly harsh.

what about:
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjjVPyZX/This-Deservesanc.jpg)

this represents a closer look to the arcade given the shape.

what about the rest?

the squashed marquee looks terrible with the fonts being compressed.
and the control panel is still way off from the original, with the wrong shades, and cut
off graphics, etc, etc.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on October 18, 2018, 11:50:22 am
I give your photoshop skillz a C-
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 12:02:00 pm
this represents a closer look to the arcade given the shape.

Yours looks ok, I think I like it blown up to fill out the cabinet more, but I'd be happy with either. I wouldn't call yours brilliant or theirs poor. It's a different cabinet shape and I think they went with the filled up look vs the empty top of the cabinet look



what about the rest?

the squashed marquee looks terrible with the fonts being compressed.
and the control panel is still way off from the original, with the wrong shades, and cut
off graphics, etc, etc.

The marquee looks good. I don't see squashed. It's very easy to read, has the same overall shape and color. The font is slightly different, but all the elements are there. The only person who would point out the differences are hardcore arcade people.

As for the control panel.... I remember it being darker blue like the Arcade1up, but either of them look ok. The overall shape and style are right on.

Either way you slice it, you're being overly critical. You have your opinion, and I have mine. I'm impressed with the artwork and I think trying to sell it as "very poor" is being overly critical.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 12:12:22 pm
C’mon, Lew - the profile actually cuts INTO the ship on Asteroids....
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 12:40:25 pm
I give your photoshop skillz a C-

i give yours an F-, since you don't actually show one.

as mentioned, the ship is cut off, there's not enough 'space' around the images,
and its just zoomed in too much, to actually show off the space ships.

they did a poor job.

i tried to retain the main elements of the image, and keep a border around it,
while adhering to the non-standard shape of the cabinet.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 12:52:21 pm
what about the rest?

the squashed marquee looks terrible with the fonts being compressed.
and the control panel is still way off from the original, with the wrong shades, and cut
off graphics, etc, etc.

The marquee looks good. I don't see squashed. It's very easy to read, has the same overall shape and color. The font is slightly different, but all the elements are there. The only person who would point out the differences are hardcore arcade people.

As for the control panel.... I remember it being darker blue like the Arcade1up, but either of them look ok. The overall shape and style are right on.

Either way you slice it, you're being overly critical. You have your opinion, and I have mine. I'm impressed with the artwork and I think trying to sell it as "very poor" is being overly critical.

ok, let's look at the marquee.

heres the original 1up:
(https://i.postimg.cc/htrt29cs/ast-marq-1up.jpg)

squashed fonts, cropping, and just improper placement of elements..

the colors are wrong, the shades are wrong, i just don't know how anyone would
think is a 'close' or ok reproduction.

they took the image, stretched it vertically, and just did a poor job of reproducing
the colors and the shades.

here's the arcade:
(https://i.postimg.cc/MZVxsyYB/ast-marq.jpg)

here's my take on it, which is much more accurate:
(https://i.postimg.cc/JzhfWJjP/ast-marq-1up-NEW.jpg)

the control panel is still way off.

later
-1

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 03:40:18 pm
Major eye roll’n going on here. You’re really streeeeetching to justify saying they did a poor job.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 18, 2018, 04:35:51 pm
Major eye roll’n going on here. You’re really streeeeetching to justify saying they did a poor job.

Have to agree - They actually did a decent job of making them remind you of the original designs without just scaling it down and transferring it to the new layout of the cab. When you walk into the room with these sitting in it you know right away what it is from across the room and they actually are pretty eye catching.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on October 18, 2018, 04:46:55 pm
Major eye roll’n going on here. You’re really streeeeetching to justify saying they did a poor job.

Have to agree - They actually did a decent job of making them remind you of the original designs without just scaling it down and transferring it to the new layout of the cab. When you walk into the room with these sitting in it you know right away what it is from across the room and they actually are pretty eye catching.

Same.

To be honest some of the classic arcade art (Asteroids included) looks a bit like it was designed with no idea what the profile of the cabinet would ultimately be.  These cabinets have their problems but they look very good for what they are.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 04:52:44 pm
Major eye roll’n going on here. You’re really streeeeetching to justify saying they did a poor job.

haha , thats a good pun.

you guys are not graphic designers. i have done tons of it, and i know the difference between
taking 5 seconds to grab some graphics, and just scale it to fit. anyone can do that.

onto the control panel, another horrible job here also:
-----------
(https://i.postimg.cc/JnRYy3tf/ast-control-compare.jpg)

lets see what they did wrong here:
every single color panel is the wrong shape, and color
the buttons are spaced incorrectly
the buttons are the wrong size
the buttons are placed incorrectly

the graphics are cut off in every possible area at the top, sides and bottom
the text near the buttons is the wrong font
the text is the wrong size
the text is spaced incorrectly

the colors are wrong shade
the overall aesthetic is just wrong for the shape and size of it.

i'll stop there for now.



overall:
side art - wrongly cropped and clipped scaled wrong, wrong colors
marquee - wrongly cropped, and scaled wrong, wrong colors, fonts and shades
control panel - wrong shape, wrong colors,
 wrong spacing,
bezel - more issues with that also.

if anything, i was too lenient on them for the graphics.

the bezel also has many issues with it also

as i said, terrible overall taking everything into account.



later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 05:08:01 pm
you guys are not graphic designers. i have done tons of it, and i know the difference between
taking 5 seconds to grab some graphics, and just scale it to fit. anyone can do that.

Now you know what all of us are?


onto the control panel, another horrible job here also:
-----------
(https://i.postimg.cc/JnRYy3tf/ast-control-compare.jpg)

You also said the arcade control panel looks like this :
arcade:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/61/8c/23/618c238be0811a17d05aade49a858f98.jpg)
Those Arcade authentic CP's look pretty different to me. The one with the darker colors are what I'm used to.

Anyhow -   ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

Since art is subjective you can think it's "very poor". I mean, you're wrong, but you can think that. I can't and wouldn't stop you. Different opinions makes the world go round.

Go ahead, you can have the last word.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 18, 2018, 05:12:38 pm
That CP art looks ---smurfy---.
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 05:17:19 pm
That first “arcade” example is a repro sticker, not an actual panel. The actual panel looks like the third example, but not as washed out from the flash.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 05:31:20 pm
That first “arcade” example is a repro sticker, not an actual panel. The actual panel looks like the third example, but not as washed out from the flash.

exactly, lighting will affect all these images.

and reproductions will differ also.

the point is that the arcade 1up falls short, no matter what you compare it to.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 05:35:19 pm

Those Arcade authentic CP's look pretty different to me. The one with the darker colors are what I'm used to.

Anyhow -   ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)

Since art is subjective you can think it's "very poor". I mean, you're wrong, but you can think that. I can't and wouldn't stop you. Different opinions makes the world go round.

Go ahead, you can have the last word.

you can disregard the shades from reproductions.
but you're stretching trying to look for something postive
about the 1up. and you haven't even acknowledged all the mistakes,
that's not art. that's factual.

but every single other point i made still stands.

at least the only thing different between the first arcade version and the other is
the shade of the color, and the lighting on them.

every single thing on them matches : text, buttons, panels, shapes, sizes, and all the features.

nothing on the arcade 1up panel comes close.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 06:57:01 pm
Facebook is having fun with these toys:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/83111a20396075c8df61b333a095a7dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 07:52:25 pm
ok people, here we go with part 2,

the street fighter 2 at gamestop. capcoms classic fighting game
that defined an era, and led to multiple series and spinoffs.

yes, there are tons of reviews out there, but have any gamers,
and i mean dedicated, real, or expert gamers tried these out?

i haven't seen any dedicated reviews yet. only short previews.

i'm not going to bother going over the pro's and con's or the
basic information about the games, sounds, lists, etc. as they are sometimes
personal opinions, or have already been gone over many times already.


i'm not an expert on every game, but i do know my way around them.
these are my opinions.

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tldr version:
==============================
controls are not arcade accurate - they just barely do the job for average players,
                                   they are terrible for intermediate and expert players

games play near arcade accuracy - framerate, and response is decent, graphics are blocky and pixelly of course,
                                  however, there are emulation issues in both super versions.


screen angles are shallow - but are pretty vibrant enough in most cases, contrast and color saturation are ok.

===========================================================================================================

STOP READING HERE, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTIONS


-------------------------------SKIP------------------------------------------------


the long picky review follows:

i am going to go into boring gameplay details,
response times, and control mechanics for the games i know.

background -
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
i  have been playing videogames from the days of pong, breakout and space invaders.
i was late to the street fighter 2 party. at my university it was a huge hit.
and there were always lines for the original one. i waited and watched it for
about a  year before i finally played it. it was 50 cents to play, and 25 cents
to continue, so that's why i never wanted to play by myself.

also, the players got really good, so a new player wouldn't have any chance, and
didn't get to play against the computer. sometimes the winner would let the poor
player win, just so they could get another round of play.

anyways, all my friends were hooked on it, to the point of going out in the middle
of the night to convenience stores to play it without having to wait for the lines
to die out.

fast forward to later when this champion edition came out.people always wanted
to play the boss characters, and of course to balance the gameplay, they were
toned down, but stil fun to play. i got decent at this version, and have played
pretty much every sequel, mod, and bootleg up to street fighter 5, but i'm not
good at 4 or 5 though.

when it finally came to the home versions, i got the genesis versions, and some
of my friends got the super nintendo version. well, i was at a huge disadvantage,
because i had an arcade stick for the geneis. but to play on the super nintendo,
had to use the stupid pad, with the shoulder buttons which was terrible. so
i always got beat pretty much.

i can beat the computer using ken, ryu, guile and chun li, i'm not good with the
other characters, but can do all the special moves. i can do basic combos, but
not the frame accurate combos or counters. i can beat the game on default,
but not hard settings. i'm not as good on super, or super turbo though.


hardware control experience
----------------------------
i have used arcade controls, joysticks and buttons

i have home versions of those controls, and actually don't use dpads or analog stick
on any console unless i'm forced to.

my preference is always dedicated controls for arcade games, and i own several fight
sticks with arcade buttons. i have bat and ball style joysticks too.


arcade gaming habits
-----------------------
i used to play all 3 of these games in the arcades, so i know the original versions.
i'm only good at the champion version, and am passable on super and super turbo.

i have played pretty much every port, and compilation that has these games on it.

i just got the xbox one Capcom 30th anniversary compilation recently, and having
been playing through all those versions recently too, with an arcade fightstick.


================================================================================
time spent playing
==========================================================================
on street fighter, i spent 20 minutes with each title, trying out different
characters, and different sides to play.


Street fighter 2 variations
==========================================================================
condition of cabinet - again, the control panel had the bottom portion totally
worn out from people playing, the store guy said it had been there about
a week. the buttons and the rest of the cabinet was in good shape

durability - the cabinets are super flimsy, and shake when you play.
at first i played it by kneeling on the floor and playing that way for
about 5 minutes. then the clerk brought me a chair, and i played the
rest of the time sitting down. again, it just felt wrong.
there were no risers, and i missed standing up.

ergonomics - just like the asteroids cabinet, as i mentioned the sitting down part threw me off,
but i got used to it. the much bigger issue is the hands and wrists, along with the buttons and joysticks.

here the biggest problems are the ball and stick joysticks, which are not the original bat style,
(yes, they can be modded and replaced, but i'm going with the stock for now). the buttons are
also non standard, and click. the spacing of them is ok, but not quite arcade standard.
(and again, those can be replaced also).

the thing that killed my wrists, was that the nice gentle 5-10 degree(?) slope of the
arcade was gone, and now it's just this flat panel. i would definitely hike those up
somehow with supports to make it feel better. granted i didn't play that long, but i
could tell, it would be different after playing for long periods of time.

gameplay -
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
street fighter 2 : champion version
=====================================
this is the first and most basic version of the game, only including the 4 boss characters
for the first time, and also allowing mirror matches.

i did not have time to finish any of these games with one character to see the endings.
but did get to the bonus stages. so those looked correct.

my timing on the games is good, but not great. i can do basic 3 hit combos, and special
moves for all the characters. when playing guile i was able to land the overhead hit,
sweep, flashkick combo, and sometimes i could dizzy the computer. sonic booms came
out, as did chun li's fast kick and helicopter moves.

getting used to the twisty ball stick was tough. i picked ken as my standard character
for all versions, and also played other characters from both the left and right side
of the control panel.

i was able to execute all the fireballs, helicopter kicks, and uppercuts, but did miss
a few. my problem was that i started on the left side. i can only do my moves from the
right. so i played for awhile until i lost a round, and then switched over to the right
side, where i was able to get most of my moves out about 75% of the time.

i really miss the bat sticks. so that affected gameplay. i didn't notice any lag.
but in order to do frame accurate combos, such as cancels, specials, chains, and hit stuns.
[info from http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Street_Fighter_2:_Champion_Edition (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Street_Fighter_2:_Champion_Edition)]
you need to be able to accurately and quickly do these moves, i think so far the emulation
is passable, and does encompass that.

i was not able to try out any glitches, but depending on the rom revision, these should still
be in there:
====================================
Secrets
----------
Beating the game without lose a single round: after the char ending, you'll get a demo mode when each fighter
destroys a crate or an oil drum using one of his/her signature moves, along with aliases and caricatures of the game devs.

Konami Code: strangely enough, the Konami Code can be used in the arcade version of SF2CE.
If you pull the sequence up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right and press MP then LP on controller 2
during the attract mode, you'll get screen info like: number of coins deposited, number of times a certain char was used,
etc.

Bugs
-------------------------
SF2CE known bugs include:

Bonus Stage infinite hits: This bug freezes the game. Here you can see Honda, Blanka and Vega doing it intentionally.
However, if you're on a 2-player game, the other player remains fully operational, and can cancel the bug just hitting
the frozen opponent.

Vega backflip bug: an old known bug occurs whenever Vega does his backflip move underneath the oil drums at
the third bonus stage. It doesn't interfere in the game.

Corner bug: when one of the players is cornered, the game messes the controllers up whenever the
opponent jump at him turning a reversal attack or even a simple blocking into a guessing game.
The japanese version doesn't have this bug.


thoughts on this game
----------------------
gameplay response was decent, but the balltop joystick and the subpar clicky buttons
made it a chore to play, and execute moves. yes, i could get use to them, but if i wanted
to play seriously, i would switch everything out.

i did not get a chance to play any 2 player games at all, but even if i did, the thing was
stuck in a cramped corner in the front display, so there wouldn't have been much room
at all to play.

overall, this is the best game emulation out of the three, with the least issues,
including sound and graphics.

i felt that due to the subpar controls, that this game is adequate, but overall
not a very good representation of the arcade version.


super street fighter 2 : new challengers
=========================================
at this point, most of friends had quit playing fighting games. even in the
arcades things were dying out. but i kept playing, and mostly on home versions,
since it was easier to play, and cheaper.

for super, the new challengers they added 4 new characters, cammy, dee jay, fei long,
and t hawk. i liked cammy and dee jay, but couldn't really play fei long or t hawk.

again, you could select boss characters, and do mirror matches with a lot more colors.

the speed of this game is greatly slowed down, but matches champion edition. people that
played hyper didn't care for the slowdown though.

i can't finish this game, unless its on easy, and since you have to beat more characters
that would take longer. i played ken, ryu and cammy. again, i was able to execute all
the special moves, and do some basic 2-1 and a few 3 hit combos.

i didn't notice any lag, or too many difference. but as pointed out the sound is lacking,
due to some lost sounds on the mono speaker, and same with some music samples.

the AI is smarter on the default so i was only able to make through a few characters,
and also i switched over to the right side, in order to do uppercuts, and special kick moves.

thoughts on this game
----------------------
my feelings are this is a much deeper game than the champion edition, and there
is a ton more strategy to learn, and harder gameplay

however, due to the poor controls, joystick and subpar buttons, its a chore playing
this also. that in addition to the lack of certain sounds and music make the emulation
seem somewhat broken.

overall, i would rank this as a subpar translation of the game, and not a good
represntation of the arcade game.

super street fighter 2 : turbo
==============================
again, this game was brought out to prolong the incredibly long wait for street fighter 3.

so, due to players wanting more options, they added a turbo option, super combos
(which are super moves), a super bar meter, and increased difficulty.

super street fighter 2 turbo is still played competively in competitions to this day.
it has great balance, superior game depth, multiple match ups, hidden character, and
original characters within the game.

i was not able to try any of the special things, which can be found here:
http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_2_Turbo (http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_2_Turbo)

they list how to play as the hidden character akuma, and get the original
versions of the many other characters in the game.

again, i played ken, ryu, and guile. the speed on this turbo version is set to 2.

it is way too fast. the game is super hard, and unless you know what you are doing,
or play cheesy, you will die super fast against the computer. i was able to build
up my super meter, and get off a few super moves, but that was about it.
thats one notable thing about this game, that is not in any prior edition.

i only got through a couple of characters, switched sides, lost and gave up.

its going to take people a lot of time to get through this game, and guess what.
if you do it without losing a round, you get to play akuma, who is super hard,
and even more challenging then bison at the very end.

i don't know if i will ever get good enough to get that point without savegames,
or using the 2 player cheat, and just continuing.

anyways, the game played well enough, but still had the emulation issues
with sounds missing, just like in the regular version.

thoughts on this game
---------------------
broken record, here.

my feelings are this is a much deeper game than the regular edition, and there
is a ton more strategy to learn, and even harder gameplay

however, due to the poor controls, joystick and subpar buttons, its a chore playing
this also. that in addition to the lack of certain sounds and music make the emulation
seem somewhat broken.

overall, i would rank this as a poor translation of the game, and not a good
represntation of the arcade game.

=======================================================================================


Final thoughts
----------------
overall, i would give 1up arcades a grade of C- for effort.
D for quality and longevity, C- for emulation, C+ for graphics.

So an average of C- overall grading, or 2.5/5 stars for the price.

Take into account the games you like, how much you will play them,
and how rough these things will be handled.

To me, i don't want to say they feel like they are breaking apart at any time,
because these were worn out demo units.

If you don't play often, these things will last and look good.
If you do play often, they WILL wear out, the buttons, the controls, etc, eventually.

They should have some kind of riser, or you are really missing out on the arcade
feel of it.

Modding the buttons and joysticks, will do some good perhaps, but unless you're
an expert, you might not even notice the difference in stick/bat and button styles.
i would give it a slightly higher rating if they had used better controls, but
they opted out of that.

i love street fighter 2, (maybe not as much as virtua fighter), but as 2d goes,
i don't think it can be beat. its just sad and unfortunate it didn't get treated
very well with this adaptation. there's just too many missing things, not being
to control it properly with the stock controllers leads to a lot of frustration.
i'm not sure which rom revisions they used for each game, but i'm assuming they
are the latest for each one, with the appropriate fixes for each one.

A valiant, but in the end a very subpar experience, unless you're going for nostalgia,
and love street fighter 2, and are ok with the compromises.

so far arcade 1 up is 2 for 2 for subpar experiences.
i'm pretty sure the other 3 (gauntlet, centipede, and deluxe) will all fare
equally bad or worse.

galaga, pac-man, and space invaders have a small chance of being
decent, but at this rate, there's not much chance of that either.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: jdevane on October 18, 2018, 08:02:48 pm
Facebook is having fun with these toys:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181018/83111a20396075c8df61b333a095a7dd.jpg)

 :applaud:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 08:06:42 pm
That's funny...

I assume you aren't a member of the A1UP facebook group. It's cool watching all these people excited over something we've been excited about for years. Sure, it's not as authentic, and they have made some decisions that we wouldn't have made, but they not only successfully built a cabinet, they secured licenses deals and are making a play at commercial.

I'm seeing a fair amount of complaints and features requests, but also seeing lots of buzz and excitement. Posts like this, followed by lots of other excited users posting their game rooms:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=157888.0;attach=372123;image)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 08:07:21 pm
Thanks again for the Honest review. Out of curiosity, how do you think two people would feel playing on it. Is it too cramped?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 08:08:52 pm
I do have a semi-serious question, maybe it's basic and I'm just a dummy.... 

They are clearly doing some emulation. Can it legally be Mame? Or, how would they do the emulation?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 08:10:56 pm
Thanks again for the Honest review. Out of curiosity, how do you think two people would feel playing on it. Is it too cramped?

I don't see any way other than it being cramped. I think the smallest street fighter cabinet I've seen was 22.5" cabinet. It was definitely close quarters. Seems they were always in a dynamo cut corner cab around these parts.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 08:39:29 pm
Thanks again for the Honest review. Out of curiosity, how do you think two people would feel playing on it. Is it too cramped?

I don't see any way other than it being cramped. I think the smallest street fighter cabinet I've seen was 22.5" cabinet. It was definitely close quarters. Seems they were always in a dynamo cut corner cab around these parts.

Well, not only that, but having to sit as well? Just wondering.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 18, 2018, 11:03:26 pm
I do have a semi-serious question, maybe it's basic and I'm just a dummy.... 

They are clearly doing some emulation. Can it legally be Mame? Or, how would they do the emulation?

way back when it came out, eta prime did a teardown video. its the same chips that run the pandoras box emulators,
so its something custom created for that processor.

probably a stripped down version, with their custom controls, logos, and menus.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 18, 2018, 11:29:16 pm
Thanks again for the Honest review. Out of curiosity, how do you think two people would feel playing on it. Is it too cramped?

I don't see any way other than it being cramped. I think the smallest street fighter cabinet I've seen was 22.5" cabinet. It was definitely close quarters. Seems they were always in a dynamo cut corner cab around these parts.

Well, not only that, but having to sit as well? Just wondering.

I don't think sitting down, 2 adults could play SF2 for long on the A1UP cabinet without a riser.

I think the riser was a great idea for them - from a business perspective. It cost $40 and probably cost under $10 to make. I personally dislike them as they don't add anything to the cabinet but height.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 18, 2018, 11:45:35 pm
I read that there’s no way to attach the riser to your cabinet except for screws that go in on the sides, so you’re going to marr the sides if you use one.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 19, 2018, 02:45:33 am
I read that there’s no way to attach the riser to your cabinet except for screws that go in on the sides, so you’re going to marr the sides if you use one.

Yep  :dunno


The processor is a single core 1Ghz, similar to the older pandora units (the newer units are using something much more capable).

The current A1Up units are poor quality all around, there is no way around it. That said... I hope they can weather the storm and actually improve future models (better build quality, better controls, fixed CP issues, better QC, etc.).

I'm sure we are close to someone marketing a Pi3 B+/HyperPie (minus roms) conversion kit with the lcd board, encoder and better controls (like what ETA Prime did).
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:16:22 am
super quick look at galaga, looks right, and sounds right,
hate the clicky buttons though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me6qCBOy5JA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me6qCBOy5JA)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me6qCBOy5JA#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 19, 2018, 09:22:11 am
super quick look at galaga, looks right, and sounds right,
hate the clicky buttons though.

One button to replace, not really that much of a deal breaker.   I ordered this cab, but Walmart seems to have screwed up and my order is stuck in processing.  I chose it because I like the idea of a small dedicated vertical 4way joystick cab.  Replacing one button and potentially upgrading the joystick seem like minimal hassle. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 19, 2018, 09:38:01 am
Here us a video with three of the cabinets side by side by side. Two on risers and one not.  Its not a "review" necessarily, but it gives some perspective on the size and appearance.  If you watch a bit of it, the guy explains how excited he was the night before they were delivered, and he is overall very happy with them.  We (BYOAC) tend to be a bit jaded as we live and breathe arcade and emulation, but its kind of fun to see non hobbyists getting hyped about arcade games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDz0KmWZUhU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDz0KmWZUhU)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 19, 2018, 10:28:08 am
We (BYOAC) tend to be a bit jaded as we live and breathe arcade and emulation, but its kind of fun to see non hobbyists getting hyped about arcade games.

I do think its great that people are getting into the hobby because of these. I just feel they just took too many short cuts with it.
My opinion shouldn't be dismissed just because I have an arcade hobby. I'm not jaded, I'm just not going to fanboy over a crummy product just because its arcade related.

Its perfectly fine to discuss the shortcomings of the product without being jaded/a hater/an elitist/etc.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: javeryh on October 19, 2018, 11:18:34 am
We (BYOAC) tend to be a bit jaded as we live and breathe arcade and emulation, but its kind of fun to see non hobbyists getting hyped about arcade games.

I do think its great that people are getting into the hobby because of these. I just feel they just took too many short cuts with it.
My opinion shouldn't be dismissed just because I have an arcade hobby. I'm not jaded, I'm just not going to fanboy over a crummy product just because its arcade related.

Its perfectly fine to discuss the shortcomings of the product without being jaded/a hater/an elitist/etc.

I agree.  It's a neat product and I'm glad it exists but I only have so much room in my house.  Can't go with something that's a C+.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2018, 11:28:26 am
We (BYOAC) tend to be a bit jaded as we live and breathe arcade and emulation, but its kind of fun to see non hobbyists getting hyped about arcade games.

I do think its great that people are getting into the hobby because of these. I just feel they just took too many short cuts with it.
My opinion shouldn't be dismissed just because I have an arcade hobby. I'm not jaded, I'm just not going to fanboy over a crummy product just because its arcade related.

Its perfectly fine to discuss the shortcomings of the product without being jaded/a hater/an elitist/etc.

Well said. This is my contention as well. Do I need to feel obligated to “like” everything Arcade-related just because I’m a collector? Judging by all the “Hey, did you see this cool link about this guy in Manhattan who put arcades in his bedroom” Facebook shares I got, the answer seems to be yes.

I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to buy one of these toys. But I don’t feel an obligation to be a cheerleader for them, either.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 12:52:23 pm
super quick look at galaga, looks right, and sounds right,
hate the clicky buttons though.

One button to replace, not really that much of a deal breaker.   I ordered this cab, but Walmart seems to have screwed up and my order is stuck in processing.  I chose it because I like the idea of a small dedicated vertical 4way joystick cab.  Replacing one button and potentially upgrading the joystick seem like minimal hassle.

note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.
buttons are different sizes, shades, etc.
the text is different, etc etc.

1up:
(https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/8a8536c3-1fc0-4ed2-a742-f9369557d74d_1.cf59b8329b5e0f694cc95ab7d149d114.jpeg)

arcade (bottom):
(http://www.kevinfowler.net/galaga/CP/CP_comparison.jpg)

a better promo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYgQL4Bqrg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYgQL4Bqrg)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oYgQL4Bqrg#)

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 19, 2018, 12:57:34 pm
Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

My only real dislike of the Galaga cab layout is the side art placement - but its not an easy sticker to locate on the cab based on the profile.  the rest of the cabinet art package I think they did a great job with.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 19, 2018, 02:00:51 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2018, 02:11:37 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.

Of course it doesn’t matter. These are toys.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181019/49dfb7f7dcb16d896dc4bea0a62c0604.gif)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2018, 02:25:12 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.

Agreed -- Plus these are 3/4 size so the button placement should actually be 3/4 the spacing !!  :laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 02:26:11 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.


do you guys actually play any of the games, or just look at them.

it makes a HUGE difference. hand placement for this is critical.

the buttons are too close to each other period.

i just played the home version [bandai plug and play] for 3+ hours, to get to the killscreen at level 256.
it matters.

i've played with arcade controls on each of the namco ports to 1million plus, and 1.7 million on the xbox 360, and xbox
one, and on the pc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADqKEhblh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADqKEhblh4)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADqKEhblh4#)

i guess you guys just don't care, as long as you can hit the button for a few minutes, and have fun.

multiply that by moving your hands and making adjustments for several thousand shots, and then come back
to me and say it doesn't matter.

later
-1
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 19, 2018, 02:30:16 pm
My eyeballs almost rolled out of my head. ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on October 19, 2018, 02:35:53 pm
Plus these are 3/4 size so the button placement should actually be 3/4 the spacing !!  :laugh2:

 :laugh2:

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2018, 02:45:42 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.

Agreed -- Plus these are 3/4 size so the button placement should actually be 3/4 the spacing !!  :laugh2:

There’s no way these are 3/4. 3/5 MAYBE.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 02:53:52 pm
the buttons are too close to each other period.

i just played the home version [bandai plug and play] for 3+ hours, to get to the killscreen at level 256.
it matters.

...

multiply that by moving your hands and making adjustments for several thousand shots, and then come back
to me and say it doesn't matter.


lol, are you using your high scores as some sort of metric to determine that your opinion should be of more value? I too can whoop up on Galaga, so am I allowed to have an opinion now, lol.

Unlike you, I'll provide some proof:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80000.0;attach=260052;image)

I also built this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51525.0;attach=82275;image)

You'll notice the button is closer to the joystick than original. It plays fine. While I personally wouldn't mind seeing the fire button a few more inches to the right, it's not as HUGE of a deal as you are going on about.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 02:57:19 pm
note the differences, the firing button is incorrectly spaced, as are the 1 and 2 player buttons.


Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.  Next to each other.   ::)

I'm with Smass on this one. These cabs are obviously designed with kids in mind, and the gap between the buttons and stick doesn't matter that much.  Start button placement? give me a break.

Agreed -- Plus these are 3/4 size so the button placement should actually be 3/4 the spacing !!  :laugh2:

There’s no way these are 3/4. 3/5 MAYBE.

we're right, and they are wrong...

here's the actual dimensions using the given measurements:
http://www.nctechnology.co.kr/download/lcd/M170ETN01.1/M170ETN01.1-Spec.pdf (http://www.nctechnology.co.kr/download/lcd/M170ETN01.1/M170ETN01.1-Spec.pdf)


(https://i.postimg.cc/XqYpb9LD/galaga-1up-side-comp.jpg)

i love how people just assume things are 3/4, instead of actually making sure about reality and doing the math.

keep it up guys, i'm laughing just as hard.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:09:46 pm
Okay.  That's picking nits.  Galaga is one button and a joystick.


the arcade 1up joystick is way too tall.

it needs to be a lot shorter to be accurate.

that will hurt playing galaxian also,
here's the arcade control panel:
(http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0957/7202/products/20160517_002420_grande.jpg?v=1463607793)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 03:14:47 pm
Hmm, you better not look at the button placement on the Midway Galaga Cocktail.

How close was the button on your Bandai Plug and Play?  ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 03:19:56 pm
I think I found your problem. See below:

to be accurate.

Trying to be accurate isn't really a good metric to be using and you're going over the edge to point out the differences between a 6' tall game and a 4' tall game. Your just being argumentative because there's nothing good to eat for dinner and you don't have a job to keep you busy.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:28:54 pm
Hmm, you better not look at the button placement on the Midway Galaga Cocktail.

How close was the button on your Bandai Plug and Play?  ::)

they are 2.5 inches. but i'm taking them out and moving them into a
better enclosure for better ergonomics.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:29:46 pm
I think I found your problem. See below:

to be accurate.

Trying to be accurate isn't really a good metric to be using and you're going over the edge to point out the differences between a 6' tall game and a 4' tall game. Your just being argumentative because there's nothing good to eat for dinner and you don't have a job to keep you busy.

oh, so claims of 3/4 didn't work, and people won't admit them?

thats great logic.

oh, and galaga isn't 6 feet tall, and the mini cabinets aren't 4 feet high either.
do you have anymore incorrect information to give out.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 19, 2018, 03:37:01 pm
i just played the home version [bandai plug and play] for 3+ hours, to get to the killscreen at level 256.
it matters.

i've played with arcade controls on each of the namco ports to 1million plus, and 1.7 million on the xbox 360, and xbox
one, and on the pc.

But I can play the game even if the button isn't exactly 6 1/2" away from the stick!


Spacing is something I can forgive on a scaled cabinet. Start button placement isnt worth debating.
The exact scale isnt a big deal to me either, quality of components and quality of emulation are.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:38:33 pm
i just played the home version [bandai plug and play] for 3+ hours, to get to the killscreen at level 256.
it matters.

i've played with arcade controls on each of the namco ports to 1million plus, and 1.7 million on the xbox 360, and xbox
one, and on the pc.

But I can play the game even if the button isn't exactly 6 1/2" away from the stick!


Spacing is something I can forgive on a scaled cabinet. Start button placement isnt worth debating.
The exact scale isnt a big deal to me either, quality of components and quality of emulation are.

ageed, but the joystick length is a critical factor. and the emulation and quality are very poor
from every single review thats out there.

how hard would it have been to actually place the button the correct length, or
even at a properly scaled distance.

so now what. drill your own hole, at the proper distance.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 03:42:01 pm
I think I found your problem. See below:

to be accurate.

Trying to be accurate isn't really a good metric to be using and you're going over the edge to point out the differences between a 6' tall game and a 4' tall game. Your just being argumentative because there's nothing good to eat for dinner and you don't have a job to keep you busy.

oh, so claims of 3/4 didn't work, and people won't admit them?

thats great logic.
What?! lol


oh, and galaga isn't 6 feet tall, and the mini cabinets aren't 4 feet high either.
do you have anymore incorrect information to give out.
No, but they are close. I mean, I didn't realize we were being petty neat freaks or I would've pointed out your improper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc.

You're nit picking and that's it. No problem with nit picking. It's the claiming that you aren't and trying to convince others that they are wrong that's a losing battle for you.

Losing an argument doesn't make you a loser. Arguing on the internet, that's what makes you a loser.  ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 03:43:41 pm
i just played the home version [bandai plug and play] for 3+ hours, to get to the killscreen at level 256.
it matters.

i've played with arcade controls on each of the namco ports to 1million plus, and 1.7 million on the xbox 360, and xbox
one, and on the pc.

But I can play the game even if the button isn't exactly 6 1/2" away from the stick!


Spacing is something I can forgive on a scaled cabinet. Start button placement isnt worth debating.
The exact scale isnt a big deal to me either, quality of components and quality of emulation are.

ageed, but the joystick length is a critical factor. and the emulation and quality are very poor
from every single review thats out there.

how hard would it have been to actually place the button the correct length, or
even at a properly scaled distance.

so now what. drill your own hole, at the proper distance.

later
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The button distance and joystick length is a nice-to-have. They wouldn't impact gameplay for 99% of the people out there. It doesn't matter to me. I use a wico 4 way on my Galaga cabinet.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:45:24 pm
I think I found your problem. See below:

to be accurate.

Trying to be accurate isn't really a good metric to be using and you're going over the edge to point out the differences between a 6' tall game and a 4' tall game. Your just being argumentative because there's nothing good to eat for dinner and you don't have a job to keep you busy.

oh, so claims of 3/4 didn't work, and people won't admit them?

thats great logic.
What?! lol

my apologies, thats just in reference to all the people jumping on the 3/4
scale bandwagon.

not you.


Quote
oh, and galaga isn't 6 feet tall, and the mini cabinets aren't 4 feet high either.
do you have anymore incorrect information to give out.
No, but they are close. I mean, I didn't realize we were being petty neat freaks or I would've pointed out your improper grammar, punctuation, capitalization, etc.

You're nit picking and that's it. No problem with nit picking. It's the claiming that you aren't and trying to convince others that they are wrong that's a losing battle for you.

Losing an argument doesn't make you a loser. Arguing on the internet, that's what makes you a loser.  ;D

don't worry, i don't take it personally.

i thought people here especially, would care about things being right, and correct.
but apparently not for some of them. [and by the way, they are wrong]/

at least you are trying to be engaging without attacking.

you're very close though:
https://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/G/Galaga%20Nos.%20508%20514%20%20510%20%20Part%20%20Operating%20Manual%20Form%20No.%200508003000000%20%20Midway.pdf (https://www.arcade-museum.com/manuals-videogames/G/Galaga%20Nos.%20508%20514%20%20510%20%20Part%20%20Operating%20Manual%20Form%20No.%200508003000000%20%20Midway.pdf)

page 2-1
arcade cabinet height = 70 inch = 5 feet 10 inches

so i'll give you partial credit for that.


-----------------

i find it odd, people didnt jump on DGP when he said the galaga controls felt terrible:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157888.msg1666953.html#msg1666953 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157888.msg1666953.html#msg1666953)

so we have someone that's actually played giving his review also.

and that was awhile ago.
==================================

now back to the fun and games.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2018, 03:49:17 pm
And for the record, like I said earlier, I would like the button a few more inches to the right. Why not make that arcade accurate if possible?t?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 03:58:00 pm
Good thoughts there.

The spinner and trackball were the controls I was worried about the most. My local Walmart has the Asteroids cabinet and I gave the controls a quick once over. I liked the buttons fine. They seemed like Happ style controls, but the spinner was as bad as the reviews I had heard. The cabinet you got was the one I was worried about the most. For what it's worth, I was pleasantly surprised with the look/feel of the cabinet and the cabinet design. Way more than the Midway Treasure cabinets.

here's an update on the spinners.

basically if you mod them to spin freely or replace them,
they are using a 4x encoder, which means that for every 360 you spin it, it revolves 1 1/3 revs or 4 times faster around
a given circular playfield for level 1.

i didn't test it, the post was from here:
http://atariage.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=4136911 (http://atariage.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=4136911)

the calculation:
http://atariage.com/forums/topic/275757-budget-atari-and-capcom-arcade-cabinets-to-see-release-this-fall/page-47#entry4137119 (http://atariage.com/forums/topic/275757-budget-atari-and-capcom-arcade-cabinets-to-see-release-this-fall/page-47#entry4137119)

so that's way too loose and not sensitive enough for precision, and if you spin it too fast, the encoder loses track, and sometimes tracks backwards.

the arcade count is :
Game   Effective_Tooth_Count   Counts_Per_Revolution   Other_Notes
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tempest   72   72   1 full turn moves 5 spaces on first screen

from:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160421175734/http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Spinner_Turn_Count (https://web.archive.org/web/20160421175734/http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Spinner_Turn_Count)

major havoc is a whole different story.

this will probably hold over to the atari 12-1 also.

comprehensive fix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRPEjiazeo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRPEjiazeo)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdRPEjiazeo#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2018, 05:10:49 pm
comprehensive fix:


later
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He's placing an arcade spinner on top of the arcade1up rotary switch but still using the output from the rotary switch not really changing anything but adding a bit more weight to get it to spin with more force.

Arcade 1 up Spinner ( rotary switch )
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFv7Dmfq/Capture2.png)

ORiginal Tempest Spinner like in video linked
(https://i.postimg.cc/856mLtGm/Capture1.png)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 05:22:24 pm
comprehensive fix:


later
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Wrong Video -- THat's a repair video from 1 up arcade nothing to do with Arcade1Up It's about an original Tempest Machine Spinner nothing like the rotary switch the arcade1up machine is using !!

Arcade 1 up Spinner ( rotary switch )
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFv7Dmfq/Capture2.png)

ORiginal Tempest Spinner like in video linked
(https://i.postimg.cc/856mLtGm/Capture1.png)

ok, maybe it's a 'fix' to replace the crappy 1up spinner.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 19, 2018, 05:26:19 pm

ok, maybe it's a 'fix' to replace the crappy 1up spinner.

later
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Watched the video and it is actually about fixing the arcade1up spinner buut what a waste - he's actually just mounting the real Tempest spinner to the rotary switch on the arcade1up machine which gives it more weight but will not really change anything since the original cheap swwitch is what is still providing the output to the machine.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 19, 2018, 05:32:14 pm

ok, maybe it's a 'fix' to replace the crappy 1up spinner.

later
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Watched the video and it is actually about fixing the arcade1up spinner buut what a waste - he's actually just mounting the real Tempest spinner to the rotary switch on the arcade1up machine which gives it more weight but will not really change anything since the original cheap swwitch is what is still providing the output to the machine.

agreed its a mod/hack... as i mentioned in my review, the stock spinner, used slowly and carefully
is the best way to play the game, and is actually preferential to a free spinning one for me.

just depends on gameplay preference and skill level.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 20, 2018, 01:01:18 pm
here's a little more footage of galaga, could be some delay lag in the game,
however, its one handed play.

unfortunately no footage of galaxian has shown up yet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muurh0b6IGw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muurh0b6IGw)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muurh0b6IGw#)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 20, 2018, 06:08:41 pm
 :laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 20, 2018, 06:12:04 pm
:laugh2:

Teabag it!!!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 20, 2018, 07:16:07 pm
:laugh2:


Cool beans man.  You look like a giant about to yell "fee fye foe fum!"  :)


Please let us know what amount of terrible they are. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 20, 2018, 08:32:37 pm
4 or 5 risers to make it PBJ height. I had no idea James was 7'7"
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: DGP on October 21, 2018, 06:46:18 am
:laugh2:

Who will crush arcade1up between thighs like sparrow egg...

Don't worry he's not 'bad guy'.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 21, 2018, 03:15:30 pm
The Control Panel artwork rubbing off is a bigger issue than the initial reports indicate.

The way it's rubbing off, I'm not sure the protector is even enough. I highly recommend people put cigarette burns and graffiti in place of any missing artwork to really reproduce the authentic arcade feel.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 21, 2018, 06:30:02 pm
If you care about that level of authenticity, you’re not buying one of these anyway, so…
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 21, 2018, 07:53:26 pm
I'm 6'2".  That control panel came halfway up my thighs. It's basically the size of a Moppet. I played  2 players with a trusted friend and we were pressing moobs together. Controls are cheap Chinese clicky stuff that works but eh. They boot quickly and have a nice menu. Not nearly enough games. Felt exactly like those Chinese multicades built into a control panel. Art looks good (but had wear) and the monitor is nice. $300 feels a little steep.

Another friend played the Centipede cabinet and said it was terrible.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 21, 2018, 10:15:06 pm
We’re going to get one for Mike’s hotel room at ZapCon. Spooner gets to be player 2.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 21, 2018, 11:44:27 pm
looks like theres more screen issues, and glitches.

never seen sprites that become semi transparent before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gm2jyPKx80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gm2jyPKx80)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gm2jyPKx80#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 22, 2018, 12:15:33 am
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181022/8f461e9eef6824c39f3969a6c461ad1c.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Nephasth on October 22, 2018, 12:25:28 am
That's a lot of teabagging to produce that amount of wear... :duckhunt
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 22, 2018, 01:51:51 am
Yikes.  Did they use temporary tattoo paper to print the graphics or dry erase markers?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 22, 2018, 03:43:20 am
We’re going to get one for Mike’s hotel room at ZapCon. Spooner gets to be player 2.
I want the Rampage one. I have always wanted to have a 3 way.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 22, 2018, 07:21:12 am
Can I be the gingerbread ?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 22, 2018, 07:29:21 am
Yikes.  Did they use temporary tattoo paper to print the graphics or dry erase markers?
That or the guy setting up the printing process placed the laminator in front of the printer by mistake - so the vinyl is getting laminated and then printed  :laugh2:
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 22, 2018, 08:51:21 am
Can I be the gingerbread ?
I thought that was just understood.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 22, 2018, 10:44:10 am
Ok, which one of you dudes broke the bro code...?

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181022/99f406ee85c9cd8b058ea0157027bc28.png)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: gamepimp on October 22, 2018, 12:57:19 pm
PBJ's going viral. LOL!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 22, 2018, 01:13:13 pm
the first short review of galaga, no sign of galaxian yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQG_6hZPMlY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQG_6hZPMlY)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQG_6hZPMlY#)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 22, 2018, 01:38:56 pm
Grown ass man is the best compliment I've received in months.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 22, 2018, 01:50:50 pm
 :lol
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 22, 2018, 02:05:00 pm
Which one of you dudes is Ernie Dinklefwat?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Zebra on October 22, 2018, 02:33:25 pm
For anyone who is up for any sort of DIY project, there is no reason not to use a CRT. They are just better for SF2 and Final Fight.

I have used arcade monitors, PC monitors, LCD's and TV's. There are plenty of reasons to not use a CRT, but the biggest reason not to use one is if you don't really see the difference. The worse suggestion there is to use a TV. I'd suggest a LCD before I'd recommend a TV.

I've veered away from arcade authenticity a few times and it's not something that takes away from the experience for me. I've wired up all my coin doors, but I don't use them anymore - I use the credit button. I prefer a wico 4 way for my Nintendo games. I like my games to be in pretty cabinets with no cigarette burns, something I've rarely encountered in the wild. Every person has a different level of authenticity for them.

I think these cabinets are neat, but what I really like is all the buzz and excitement people are getting from playing the classics.

You seriously can't see a difference between the poorly scaled jagged edges on an LCD vs playing games at native res and refresh on a crt?

A CRT tv might be 2nd best to an arcade monitor but (a 15khz) crt tv is significantly better than any LCD screen when used with a crt emu / Groovymame PC. That applies to anything up to the N64 generation.

For example, here is the arcade SF2 running on a free consumer Sony Trinitron:

(https://i.postimg.cc/HJcHDj4T/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJcHDj4T)

If it would have been a Euro version with RGB or an RGB modded American one then the image would be comparable to an arcade monitor.

This is the pecking order for monitors for old arcade games from best to worst:

1) real cga arcade monitor
2) Consumer crt tv with rgb
3) Pro crt with rgb
4) consumer crt with Component and / or SVideo
5) HD CRT TV or CRT PC monitor
6) Old (and hard to find) low res 4:3 LCD (or plasma) I.e. With a native res of 480p or lower like that 4:3 Pioneer
7) Newer HD 4:3 LCD (768p or 1024p)
8) A 16:9 HD flatscreen - a true abomination for vintage gaming...


 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ond on October 22, 2018, 02:59:45 pm
Which one of you dudes is Ernie Dinklefwat?

 :lol  Stand up Ernie Dinklefwat!

What about the risers, can they be modded?  What are the modding options for the risers?  What's the color choice or do I have to settle for black?
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 22, 2018, 03:27:49 pm
Which one of you dudes is Ernie Dinklefwat?

 :lol  Stand up Ernie Dinklefwat!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181022/f130011b14e57e322f1331dbb71ebedc.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 22, 2018, 04:38:45 pm
For anyone who is up for any sort of DIY project, there is no reason not to use a CRT. They are just better for SF2 and Final Fight.

I have used arcade monitors, PC monitors, LCD's and TV's. There are plenty of reasons to not use a CRT, but the biggest reason not to use one is if you don't really see the difference. The worse suggestion there is to use a TV. I'd suggest a LCD before I'd recommend a TV.

I've veered away from arcade authenticity a few times and it's not something that takes away from the experience for me. I've wired up all my coin doors, but I don't use them anymore - I use the credit button. I prefer a wico 4 way for my Nintendo games. I like my games to be in pretty cabinets with no cigarette burns, something I've rarely encountered in the wild. Every person has a different level of authenticity for them.

I think these cabinets are neat, but what I really like is all the buzz and excitement people are getting from playing the classics.

You seriously can't see a difference between the poorly scaled jagged edges on an LCD vs playing games at native res and refresh on a crt?

A CRT tv might be 2nd best to an arcade monitor but (a 15khz) crt tv is significantly better than any LCD screen when used with a crt emu / Groovymame PC. That applies to anything up to the N64 generation.

For example, here is the arcade SF2 running on a free consumer Sony Trinitron:

(https://i.postimg.cc/HJcHDj4T/image.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HJcHDj4T)

If it would have been a Euro version with RGB or an RGB modded American one then the image would be comparable to an arcade monitor.

This is the pecking order for monitors for old arcade games from best to worst:

1) real cga arcade monitor
2) Consumer crt tv with rgb
3) Pro crt with rgb
4) consumer crt with Component and / or SVideo
5) HD CRT TV or CRT PC monitor
6) Old (and hard to find) low res 4:3 LCD (or plasma) I.e. With a native res of 480p or lower like that 4:3 Pioneer
7) Newer HD 4:3 LCD (768p or 1024p)
8) A 16:9 HD flatscreen - a true abomination for vintage gaming...

I take exception to about half of that list.  At this stage in the game, if you don't have at least a rgb connection it's pretty much garbage.  This is from someone that used composite and then later svideo (for lightguns) in their main cabinet. 

I think the size is a huge factor.  If you are going to use a 19" monitor then yeah, you can probably find an arcade monitor or modded tv for a decent price and will be able to find one that is still in good working order.  If you are going larger than that an lcd is really the way to go.  You can actually handle moving it yourself and considering the screen size you will probably want to play newer games, which will benefit from the added resolution.  Mame's hlsl does a pretty decent job of simulating a crt at this point. 

I absolutely agree that for Street Fighter a modern lcd is a good idea.... for street fighter iv and v that is.  ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 22, 2018, 04:49:46 pm
Eh, you get a clean signal to a Trinitron or Panablack tube and I think it's probably going to look better than an arcade monitor.  Maybe not an arcade monitor with a fresh tube and fully dialed in image, but definitely better than any arcade monitor you're likely to encounter these days.  (which tend to be dim, blurry, and have wonky convergence)

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 22, 2018, 06:26:19 pm
a much more detailed spinner mod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GYbrK_6UGI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GYbrK_6UGI)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GYbrK_6UGI#)

later
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Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 22, 2018, 07:27:36 pm
Via FB - Haters gon’ hate

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181022/29bdce6ee567542c71619df8dc89aa52.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 22, 2018, 07:39:03 pm
So I finally got an update from Walmart.  I pre-ordered the Galaga cab a few months ago.  My first order was in limbo for a month so I contacted them a few weeks ago and they acknowledged a problem with the order, and gave me 5% off to cancel and re-order, bringing my cost down $285.  My new order was supposed to ship on 10/18, but did not.  I received an email from them today apologizing for the delay in shipment and telling me they would send me a $50 gift card for the inconvenience.  So, assuming I ever get the cab, my cost is down to $235.  I can live with that.   :)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 22, 2018, 09:37:36 pm
The modding community around the Arcade1up's is starting to get impressive. Lots of mods and people using Pandora boxes, but I particularly like this one where a guy created a marquee for it:

https://youtu.be/q72BKUuFaGU
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 22, 2018, 11:47:39 pm
I hate to be negative, but putting that much extra money into a $300 toy is a level of turd-polishing even too insane for me.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 23, 2018, 01:01:10 am
I hate to be negative, but putting that much extra money into a $300 toy is a level of turd-polishing even too insane for me.
^Yup.

Lipstick on a pig.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 23, 2018, 01:27:51 am
i think of these machines as starter arcade kit cabinets, that people can modify
whatever they want:
=========================
controls - buttons
            - spinner
            - trackball

rewiring the controls

adjusting the height with custom risers

now modifying the marquee
==========================

at some point they may want a better kit,
or invest in a real machine.

any way you look at it, its great for the hobby,
and for people that never learned how to do these
things before (like me).

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2018, 03:42:39 am
Is it great for the hobby if someone's introduction to it is a horrible experience? They spend a good sum of money and they get crappy controls and artwork that rubs off. Most of the people buying these don't consider them a starter kit. That is not how they are advertised.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Ian on October 23, 2018, 04:02:04 am
Is it great for the hobby if someone's introduction to it is a horrible experience? They spend a good sum of money and they get crappy controls and artwork that rubs off. Most of the people buying these don't consider them a starter kit. That is not how they are advertised.

I dont know man, I got into real BBQ by buying a crappy smoker. Had to put like $80 worth of mods to make the thing not leak smoke and heat like a stuck pig. I eventually cut my losses and got a real smoker. However the experience on how to smoke meat and what to look for, for my next smoker was invaluable. I say if it brings more people to the hobby the better.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2018, 05:45:28 am
People less resourceful than you will just be pissed and chuck the cab on a burn pile. Most people are not DIYers. I know many people will love these things and that's great. It is just disappointing that for many other people, their first impression of this hobby will be crap. There is no denying now that these kits are garbage even at only 300 dollars. The artwork rubbing off is completely unacceptable for a commercial product. They targeted that 300 dollar price point and they just had to cut too many corners to get there.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: schmerzkaufen on October 23, 2018, 07:27:22 am
My 'lcd cab' is a besdside table I've shortened the feet off using a saw. Monitor w/ a rotating stand goes on top, there's just enough space on the front side to lay a small keyboard and mouse if needed to configure stuff, stick stores on the single shelf under it, and whatever game systems go in the space below.

I thought over and over of various DIY solutions, some very elaborate and potentially expensive (steel or aluminum foldable design), until realizing that miserable shortened bedside table is by far the most flexible, convenient solution, plus it fits everywhere.

Cost: 0  :P
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 23, 2018, 08:52:51 am
Is it great for the hobby if someone's introduction to it is a horrible experience? They spend a good sum of money and they get crappy controls and artwork that rubs off. Most of the people buying these don't consider them a starter kit. That is not how they are advertised.

Well, unfortunately, they have to deal with it, and since they offer free replacements, and will
have a solution going forward. It's not really an issue.

The bigger problem is subpar controls, dials, spinners, joysticks and buttons.

But with the exception of the dial, and maybe the trackball, most people think its ok.

And replacing a balltop with a bat stick is dirt cheap, as are some replacement parts.

You guys do realize there's only a few thousand (most likely) of these units coming out, and thats it.
They're a limited run, and once they're gone thats it.

Sure they have plans for more in the future, but if they are losing money on these, how long is the
company going to last making these anyways.

I don't figure them being around too long next year, if they don't improve.

Then again AT games has been around for ages, peddling subpar junk consoles, and they have a full size
arcade machine with 400 games coming out. [See this post]:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158551.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158551.0.html)

No price on that yet.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 23, 2018, 09:50:47 am
The artwork rubbing off is completely unacceptable for a commercial product. They targeted that 300 dollar price point and they just had to cut too many corners to get there.

Cost cutting really has nothing to do with the artwork rubbing off so easily -- That's just using a flawed printing process ( either the wrong type of vinyl or the wrong inks or a flawed printing process that did not set the ink properly into the material) - The cost of a lamination layer to stop that from happening is a couple pennies per machine in the quantity they are printing - there's plenty of cheap throw away devices that have artwork that doesn't wear off in less than a week - it's not the cost it's a defect in the process ! ( And according to A1U they have already done something to fix it in future product so we'll have to wait and see if that is true.)

To me the more serious issue is having people in the design and execution teams that have never used or built an arcade cab - If they had a clue about the arcade cabs they never would have advertised these as a "real arcade experience at home" - any product testing that included more than just looking at them and starting up a game would have shown many of the issues - ie. mixing Horizontal and Vertical games on a small 17" monitor rather than keeping them on different machines - rearranging button layouts making some games unplayable like Defender on a 3 player cab - (Hell even making a 3 player cab on a 19" wide cab in the first place and having only 1 game that can be played by 3 people) - Never getting to Level 31 on Gauntlet to find that bug - etc.

If they were not trying to rush these to market in order to be the first and hopefully only company to get them into retail for this holiday season most of these problems could have been addressed and fixed long before they made it into the retailers ( and they are currently paying the price for that by having to replace/reship parts of the machines to the end user).

 Hopefully they will get the kinks worked out and continue to improve with future releases but only time will tell. And either way as others have mentioned it will get more people playing the games and many of those will decide they want something better and either start to build there own or another company will come along to provide a better product to fill that need.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 23, 2018, 10:01:46 am
You guys do realize there's only a few thousand (most likely) of these units coming out, and thats it.
They're a limited run, and once they're gone thats it.


It'll be more than a few thousands - figure Walmart alone has has about 3,600 locations and initial orders not including the online sales was mostly at least 3 units per store per model  - and most are already getting restocks. Gamestop has more than 7,100 locations and every one of their stores is also getting multiples - so more than 120,000 machines in the initial stock and that's just 2 retailer in the US not including all of the pre-orders they sold - THe SNES mini sold over 5 million units in a few months so Arcade1up is not going to just make a few thousand units and move on - they'll continue to make these at least through the end of the Year and if they continue to sell well will continue to make them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2018, 10:06:40 am
Quality control expenditure is part of the calculation that went into the price point. Research and development is also rolled into that price point. They didn't do any of that because at 300 dollars a pop they decided those things would cut too deeply into their projected profit.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 23, 2018, 10:39:58 am
Quality control expenditure is part of the calculation that went into the price point. Research and development is also rolled into that price point. They didn't do any of that because at 300 dollars a pop they decided those things would cut too deeply into their projected profit.
THe MSRP was $399 not $299 -- So all of their calculations came up with that price based on their costs -- they are still getting their profit margin and other costs by selling them at wholesale to the retailers at that MSRP wholesale pricing - It's the retailers that cut their profit margin by the $100 to sell them at $299 in order to sell more units at lower profit margins and still make money. Arcade1ups profit margins are not taking any hit due to the retailers selling below MSRP in fact they are profiting more because they are selling more units at the $299 price than they would have at $399 and still getting the same Wholesale price from the retailers !!

So your assumption that they decided to cut any thing due to the price drop is inaccurate at best - If anything the retialers deciding to sell at a lower price will increase their profits since it will sell more machines !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 23, 2018, 10:41:45 am
You guys do realize there's only a few thousand (most likely) of these units coming out, and thats it.
They're a limited run, and once they're gone thats it.


It'll be more than a few thousands - figure Walmart alone has has about 3,600 locations and initial orders not including the online sales was mostly at least 3 units per store per model  - and most are already getting restocks. Gamestop has more than 7,100 locations and every one of their stores is also getting multiples - so more than 120,000 machines in the initial stock and that's just 2 retailer in the US not including all of the pre-orders they sold - THe SNES mini sold over 5 million units in a few months so Arcade1up is not going to just make a few thousand units and move on - they'll continue to make these at least through the end of the Year and if they continue to sell well will continue to make them.

Thanks for the number analysis. You are right, it's probably a magnitude of order higher than what i thought.
But its still hard to belive they are going to sell that many.

The limited run is already a fact, they've stated on facebook officially that whatever is out there now is it.
There won't be any more of any of these cabinets.

They've already got plans for the 2019 lines, if they make it that far. Probably used up whatever stock they
had for supplies.

Yes, they could make some more combo, and multi-units and recycle the titles they have out now.
But they're not going to make more of these 3-4 title machines, or pac-man, galaga, and space invaders units.

Still waiting to see if they do the dig dug or qbert bartop, and the cocktail machines.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2018, 10:50:03 am
That wasn't a real price drop. The intended price was probably right around 299. It just sounds better to advertise a price drop.

I find it hard to believe they would have miscalculated the value of their product by that much unless they did no market research at all.

Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 23, 2018, 11:17:24 am
They knew that right now people throw cash at anything “retro”. Their license is for toys under 4 feet, and they probably figured if people are going nuts over those small mini-cabs, they could make a killing by passing off something close to “the real thing”.

What will be interesting to see is if the lack of quality control, plus people’s horror stories in dealing with Wal-Mart for pre-orders, will kill repeat purchases and enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2018, 11:20:32 am
Yeah. Anything I say is conjecture. I don't have access to their books. I assume a company has a plan when they come to market. Sometimes that is not the case. This company's plan may have been:

Crank out cabs as cheaply as possible for Christmas. Profit. End of plan.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 23, 2018, 11:47:35 am
Yeah. Anything I say is conjecture. I don't have access to their books. I assume a company has a plan when they come to market. Sometimes that is not the case. This company's plan may have been:

Crank out cabs as cheaply as possible for Christmas. Profit. End of plan.

Oh, I have no doubt that was their plan.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 23, 2018, 12:09:50 pm
Yeah. Anything I say is conjecture. I don't have access to their books. I assume a company has a plan when they come to market. Sometimes that is not the case. This company's plan may have been:

Crank out cabs as cheaply as possible for Christmas. Profit. End of plan.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 23, 2018, 01:06:58 pm
Is it great for the hobby if someone's introduction to it is a horrible experience? They spend a good sum of money and they get crappy controls and artwork that rubs off. Most of the people buying these don't consider them a starter kit. That is not how they are advertised.

But with the exception of the dial, and maybe the trackball, most people think its ok. …..



When I saw the spinner and trackball I was out.   A spinner that doesn't.... umm..... SPIN  and a trackball without bearings is inexcusable.  Those are also fairly pricey to replace if you go with brand new hardware.  I'm totally cool with home units having consumer grade and not commercial parts, but said parts need to actually work as intended. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: pbj on October 23, 2018, 01:53:00 pm
Phase 2 is "bait the line."  Y'all forgot what Front 242 taught us.

Anyway, what I heard was that the trackball speed wasn't variable on Centipede and it made it nearly impossible to play.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 23, 2018, 02:05:21 pm
Phase 2 is "bait the line."  Y'all forgot what Front 242 taught us.

Anyway, what I heard was that the trackball speed wasn't variable on Centipede and it made it nearly impossible to play.

Think that was one of the main mistakes they made in these things - the not having access to any system settings at all -  No way to set sensitivity settings - no way to change number of lives/ points for additional lives - no way to change difficulty higher or lower - etc. Those things are all available in the games so why not give the user a way to set them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 23, 2018, 03:38:39 pm
Phase 2 is "bait the line."  Y'all forgot what Front 242 taught us.

Anyway, what I heard was that the trackball speed wasn't variable on Centipede and it made it nearly impossible to play.

Think that was one of the main mistakes they made in these things - the not having access to any system settings at all -  No way to set sensitivity settings - no way to change number of lives/ points for additional lives - no way to change difficulty higher or lower - etc. Those things are all available in the games so why not give the user a way to set them.

I've only see a few people complain about the settings, mostly arcade fans, and this stress test guy:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157888.msg1667613.html#msg1667613 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,157888.msg1667613.html#msg1667613)

I know what to do with setting them, but the basic audience of casual people have no clue about coin multipliers,
system diagnostics, etc etc. Even the basic settings of difficulty and men seem to confuse people.

You've got to dumb these things down for the masses to make them foolproof, and that's what they've done.

Of course they probably screwed something up in altering the roms to work with their interface.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 23, 2018, 05:03:38 pm
I dig it.

I think PBJ was right when he said there might be too many options for arcade games, but it's still fun watching someone new explore the arcade options. "What's Mame" type questions floating around. I think some people here need to realize how far along the arcade path they are. So many people out there just now learning about Mame. This will be a gateway for some folks and it's only a matter of time before we get the "My first retro arcade was an Arcade1up" and now they have fullsize dedicated classics. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Titchgamer on October 23, 2018, 05:17:21 pm
I dig it.

I think PBJ was right when he said there might be too many options for arcade games, but it's still fun watching someone new explore the arcade options. "What's Mame" type questions floating around. I think some people here need to realize how far along the arcade path they are. So many people out there just now learning about Mame. This will be a gateway for some folks and it's only a matter of time before we get the "My first retro arcade was an Arcade1up" and now they have fullsize dedicated classics.

You may be right Lew,

I guess we all have to start somewhere.

Some peoples love was bore in the arcades of yesteryear, Some at the crappy amusement places you get at holiday resorts, Some when the first discovered MAME so yeah maybe some will find it from this dog mess.

I just hope as Mike said it does not deter more than it brings.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 23, 2018, 10:20:34 pm
Then again...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181024/23b6c3a6f470b6e16ba8bf8ebe32f7f4.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 23, 2018, 11:43:40 pm
I saw a small section reserved for these at my local Walmart, which surprised me because it's a smaller one and it usually doesn't get in the specialty stuff.  It looked like they had made space for about 7 or 8 and they only had two in stock.  I wonder if that means they only managed to get two in or that they sold the rest and that is all that is left.  They had rampage and the asteroids one.... odd that Street Fighter and Centipede was nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 24, 2018, 02:46:46 am
the super critical arcade snobs are going to build the deluxe version
5 hours from now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: barrymossel on October 24, 2018, 03:47:58 am
I dig it.

I think PBJ was right when he said there might be too many options for arcade games, but it's still fun watching someone new explore the arcade options. "What's Mame" type questions floating around. I think some people here need to realize how far along the arcade path they are. So many people out there just now learning about Mame. This will be a gateway for some folks and it's only a matter of time before we get the "My first retro arcade was an Arcade1up" and now they have fullsize dedicated classics.
I guess the real target group for these midget cabs are mainly not interested in Mame, extra settings, or whatever. They just want to relive those games from back in the days for as little money as possible. They would rather have a normal sized cab, but buying or building one is too expensive. I also believe just few (though some) will get into "the hobby" after buying this toy.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 24, 2018, 09:16:59 am
the super critical arcade snobs are going to build the deluxe version
5 hours from now:

Tuned in for a bit.  What a bunch of dbags these guys are.  They give hobbyists a bad name.  Every product has pros and cons.  lol 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 24, 2018, 09:42:03 am
the super critical arcade snobs are going to build the deluxe version
5 hours from now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq23w6kKSuo#)

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don't bother watching this,
all they did was build it. lame.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 24, 2018, 10:35:27 am
Man what an bunch of losers. So biased and the guy reading the tweets with the black shirt needs hooked on phonics ASAP!! My 4 year old reads better than that as*hat.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 24, 2018, 01:03:53 pm
Man what an bunch of losers. So biased and the guy reading the tweets with the black shirt needs hooked on phonics ASAP!! My 4 year old reads better than that as*hat.

all that might be true.
but i give them a lot of credit for supporting charities:
-----------------------------------------------------------
https://www.extra-life.org/ (https://www.extra-life.org/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTIvLG-HH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTIvLG-HH0)

they might be clueless, but at least they like to help people.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: lisowskikevin on October 24, 2018, 01:08:53 pm
Man what an bunch of losers. So biased and the guy reading the tweets with the black shirt needs hooked on phonics ASAP!! My 4 year old reads better than that as*hat.

all that might be true.
but i give them a lot of credit for supporting charities:
-----------------------------------------------------------
https://www.extra-life.org/ (https://www.extra-life.org/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTIvLG-HH0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTIvLG-HH0)

they might be clueless, but at least they like to help people.

later
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ah man now I feel like a jerk.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 24, 2018, 02:41:58 pm
an update with galaxian gameplay:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDXqWdFUns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDXqWdFUns)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNDXqWdFUns#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 24, 2018, 06:16:46 pm
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/retro-arcades-get-an-extra-life-with-resurgence-of-nostalgia-gaming?fbclid=IwAR3Bzx9rEIW86flhYBvEaaAAhD2PNU_pGAVZA7eiKPFXj-FSQo4cO4y2ndYHey (https://www.foxnews.com/tech/retro-arcades-get-an-extra-life-with-resurgence-of-nostalgia-gaming?fbclid=IwAR3Bzx9rEIW86flhYBvEaaAAhD2PNU_pGAVZA7eiKPFXj-FSQo4cO4y2ndYHey)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 25, 2018, 05:20:34 pm
Here's more shots of the galaga demo cabinet,
note the broken or incomplete build on the left
of the marquee.
=====================================

(https://i.postimg.cc/Jhm081ZP/WP-000098.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/JnYzjZg2/WP-000099.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvLX73YX/WP-000100.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2mpBqMD/WP-000101.jpg)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 02:44:18 am
ok, i'm going to throw my hat into the fire of 1up arcade, especially the dial controversy....

here's my challenge to people, either beat my highscore that i got on the asteroids machine
at Thinkgeek, with the clicky stiff Dial, using a modded dial (to spin smoother), or a
replacement Spinner on it, to simulate the arcade. and post a video of it, or a screenshot
if you can't.

NOTE : the video is terrible, because when you shoot from the side, the screen angle makes everything look blue
however, you can see the last of the blue levels, the infinity on level 16, and parts of the round level 17 which is red.

1) i played at thinkgeek for half an hour, and got to level 20, and 152,000 points, which is the red levels
2) the stock stiff, and clicky dial was used
3) i was in a public mall, so i really couldn't set up a tripod or anything else to film...etc
===============================================================================
here are the screenshots

(https://i.postimg.cc/5NJr07St/temphigh1.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/nc1PQ43G/temphigh2.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/BnQw5jy9/temphigh3.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCvmt2SG47E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCvmt2SG47E)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCvmt2SG47E#)


i think the game is perfectly playable, and the next time i will try to get to the
yellow or blue levels, and try to film it properly if i can.

YES, i know the clicky sound is annoying, and the dial is super stiff, and is NOTHING
like the smooth spinner of the arcade. The arcade 1up encoder is 4.2x faster, so we
can't do anything about that.

The game is PERFECTLY playable as is, because in Tempest, you NEVER need to spin fast
to play. You use slow controlled movements a segment to the left or right, especially
in the upper levels with the pulsars and fuses.

Anyways, good luck if anyone does it, i'd be interested in knowing what you control
you used.

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 26, 2018, 05:24:18 am


Anyways, good luck if anyone does it, i'd be interested in knowing what you control
you used.

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Try actually starting the game from the first level instead of using Tempests continue feature ! ( each time you get to a higher level on Tempest and die you can start another game from the level you completed and it gives you a very good bonus for completing the one level ) - Since all of your high scores are around the 150K mark it seems you are just playing the game over and over and completing a single level and getting the 100K + bonus for finishing that single level (ie. in the video at 0:13 you can see you start from a level that gives you 74K bonus for finishing a single level with all of your lives !) -- Let's see you actually reach that kind of score starting from the beginning on a single game play through Using that spinner - Not starting at a level you reached by playing several games and perhaps completing 1 level to build your starting bonus in the next game and try recording from an angle that the game play can actually be seen in the video !!
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 26, 2018, 07:03:36 am
So I have to go to a store, open their machine and mod the dial then try to beat your high score on a game I don't like?


What's in it for me?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 26, 2018, 07:41:17 am
whoopdee freakin' do on your score.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2018, 09:28:32 am


Anyways, good luck if anyone does it, i'd be interested in knowing what you control
you used.

later
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Try actually starting the game from the first level instead of using Tempests continue feature ! ( each time you get to a higher level on Tempest and die you can start another game from the level you completed and it gives you a very good bonus for completing the one level ) - Since all of your high scores are around the 150K mark it seems you are just playing the game over and over and completing a single level and getting the 100K + bonus for finishing that single level (ie. in the video at 0:13 you can see you start from a level that gives you 74K bonus for finishing a single level with all of your lives !) -- Let's see you actually reach that kind of score starting from the beginning on a single game play through Using that spinner - Not starting at a level you reached by playing several games and perhaps completing 1 level to build your starting bonus in the next game and try recording from an angle that the game play can actually be seen in the video !!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181026/50d4c5b26fd4490bb9c4356caa95548c.gif)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 12:14:51 pm
Try actually starting the game from the first level instead of using Tempests continue feature ! ( each time you get to a higher level on Tempest and die you can start another game from the level you completed and it gives you a very good bonus for completing the one level ) - Since all of your high scores are around the 150K mark it seems you are just playing the game over and over and completing a single level and getting the 100K + bonus for finishing that single level (ie. in the video at 0:13 you can see you start from a level that gives you 74K bonus for finishing a single level with all of your lives !) -- Let's see you actually reach that kind of score starting from the beginning on a single game play through Using that spinner - Not starting at a level you reached by playing several games and perhaps completing 1 level to build your starting bonus in the next game and try recording from an angle that the game play can actually be seen in the video !!

Guess what, I did start from the beginning.

And I guess you don't know how to play tempest, because if you die, and you don't get past 3 levels, you get put back.
And if you die on that screen, you get put back even more.

The point is, the game is perfectly fine no matter what level you start on, even the expert levels.

The atari skillstep is revolutionary in its implementation.
Here's a scholarly paper on it:
---------------------------------
This interesting book about Tempest that also discusses the Atari Skill-Step system in great detail (it debuted on Tempest) :

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/idx/l/lvg/13030180.0001.001/1:4/--tempest-geometries-of-play?g=dculture;rgn=div1;view=fulltext;xc=1

Sure I can start at the beginning, and then every game will take a half hour or more, I don't have that
kind of time, and there's no point really.

I had to get through 4 red levels in a row just to get to level 20, and ran out of time and left.

Like I said, next time I'll try to get to the Yellow or Light Blue levels if I can.

And of course, people can feel free to continue also, there are no restrictions. Just beat that score.

Here's gameplay from the XBOX one console of Atari Flashback : Level 82- 910,000
https://bit.ly/2RfHkeE  [MP4 video]

(https://i.postimg.cc/VkDtnDLw/temp82.jpg)

I am using the analog stick to play, I can also use the buttons. I do have a spinner
through Cronus Maxpro adapter, but I'm still tweaking the settings.

A lot of the later levels, you end up sitting in one place, and tapping fire a lot,
and then barely moving around.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 26, 2018, 12:38:11 pm
Guess what, I did start from the beginning.

Starting at the 74K bonus level is not starting from the beginning ( See screen that shows you selecting that level to start at attached below - and since the video is cut and pasted in several places who knows what level other games are started at since they are not shown - Besides not even being able to see the score increment during play due to the poor viewing angle and recording. ANd sure it will drop you bac a level or 2 if you do not finish a new level with a restart but after playing for as you said 30 minutes or so it's pretty easy to get a few more levels of bonus in to start at over 100K in bonus so even a bad quality controller can get past a single level with all the lives given in a game.

Also if you can get to 910K and level 81 on an Xbox one then why only 150K on the Arcade1up -- PERHAPS DUE TO THE POOR QUALITY OF THE SPINNER ??
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 12:45:13 pm
Guess what, I did start from the beginning.

Starting at the 74K bonus level is not starting from the beginning ( See screen that shows you selecting that level to start at attached below - and since the video is cut and pasted in several places who knows what level other games are started at since they are not shown - Besides not even being able to see the score increment during play due to the poor viewing angle and recording. ANd sure it will drop you bac a level or 2 if you do not finish a new level with a restart but after playing for as you said 30 minutes or so it's pretty easy to get a few more levels of bonus in to start at over 100K in bonus so even a bad quality controller can get past a single level with all the lives given in a game.

I apologize for the crazy bad video, I didn't know the screen would be that blue from that angle.

Also, as I said, it was hard even getting that footage in a public store in a mall, while I only had
so much time to play.

I don't understand why people think the game is unplayable, or that the dial is broken.
It just doesn't matter. High level gameplay is possible, whether I continued or not is a moot point.

As I said, I haven't seen anyone else even bother trying to play the game anywhere near the red
levels, except for the one person at Atariage, but he had an a washer+loosening spinner mod on his machine.

You still need skill even when continuing.

No, I didn't bother recording from the very beginning which is where I started to get through the levels.

I still had to play at least 5 of the levels starting from level 15 through to 20 to get the final score.

That's all I have to say, until I can go back, and figure out a way to record properly, with more time,
maybe the store workers will let me do it, if I explain it to them.

Or maybe they'll kick me out for loitering.  haha

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 26, 2018, 01:13:36 pm
Man it's sad that you are trying to justify the cheap as clicker (I refuse to call it a spinner anymore because it won't spin) on these machines.  If you can't get the controls to work as intended then it's a fail.  Full stop, do not pass go, do not collect $200. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 01:33:50 pm
Man it's sad that you are trying to justify the cheap as clicker (I refuse to call it a spinner anymore because it won't spin) on these machines.  If you can't get the controls to work as intended then it's a fail.  Full stop, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

dude, are you kidding? i'm the one that will be the first in line to replace it.

there are many clueless people out there that wouldn't know the first place to start
if they wanted to fix it.

there are also cheap people out there that can't afford quality parts.

what do you suggest they do, give up, and not play it.

i'm just saying IT CAN BE DONE, not that IT SHOULD BE DONE.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 26, 2018, 01:36:34 pm
Full stop, do not pass go, do not collect $300.
FTFY


i'm just saying IT CAN BE DONE, not that IT SHOULD BE DONE.

later
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It *feels* like you're saying it doesn't need to be done, even though it does. Everyone already know it can be done.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JDFan on October 26, 2018, 01:52:25 pm

i'm just saying IT CAN BE DONE, not that IT SHOULD BE DONE.


Quote
Authentic Arcade Joysticks, Trackballs, Buttons & Sounds

True Arcade Tactile Feel - plays exactly as you remember

But does it live up to their marketing - Not even close !
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 26, 2018, 02:43:52 pm
Yeah man... even I'm in the "that controller sucks" camp for that thing they are calling a spinner. They really shouldn't have let that one out of testing. The joystick based games are good, and I can't speak to the trackball games yet, but the spinner execution is just bad. Even the normies are trying to fix it.

And what do you mean
Quote
I don't have that kind of time
You're the guy with nothing but time who lives on $20 a week for groceries.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: coasterlvr on October 26, 2018, 03:49:17 pm
I just played a really poor game from level 9 and got to level 22 and 125k in under 7 minutes.  i might be to invisible in 30. LOL
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 05:22:50 pm
whoopdee freakin' do on your score.

i'm sure i can crush any score you can ever put up, along with 99% of the rest of the people
here or that bought it.

why don't you prove it, instead of commenting.

I just played a really poor game from level 9 and got to level 22 and 125k in under 7 minutes.  i might be to invisible in 30. LOL

video or it didn't happen. on what machine. what controller.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 26, 2018, 06:11:39 pm
whoopdee freakin' do on your score.

i'm sure i can crush any score you can ever put up, along with 99% of the rest of the people
here or that bought it.

why don't you prove it, instead of commenting.
Posting your score to show that you can play on that spinner is facetious for calling it acceptable. First, it sounds like you're a Tempest veteran, so knowing how to play the game effectively can be applied to all types of controls. I for one can play Robotron on all kinds of different controls, does it make it good, or is it true to the feeling of the game?  No. It just means people who know how to play the game can compromise and adapt.

Secondly, calling out someone to "beat your score" over the internet is just dooshy.

Honestly, I want to know what Arcade 1UP is paying you to shill their product so hard.  You seem to be on this evangelical motive to prove that this product is viable for people here, when it's clearly a PoS that requires a lot of work to make it worthwhile, and at that point you might as well rebuild from scratch.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 26, 2018, 06:26:24 pm
the arcade 1up machines are trashy and low quality.
i've never said otherwise.

in fact, i'll be getting the pac-man one to mod.

yes, there are 10+ other things wrong with them.
the dial is not one of them though.
-----------------------------------------------------------
UPDATE : Edd ray has gotten to the yellow levels,
and will be putting up a video of gameplay, but
he used a modified spinner


that's one thing that people are clueless about.

here's a pretty poor review of rampage cabinet, they overlook a lot of stuff,
and dont' know how to play the games well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFZ_ExT4Ec (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFZ_ExT4Ec)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LFZ_ExT4Ec#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 26, 2018, 06:33:42 pm
whoopdee freakin' do on your score.

i'm sure i can crush any score you can ever put up, along with 99% of the rest of the people
here or that bought it.

why don't you prove it, instead of commenting.




I just played a really poor game from level 9 and got to level 22 and 125k in under 7 minutes.  i might be to invisible in 30. LOL

video or it didn't happen. on what machine. what controller.

later
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[/quote]

I guess you don't know what "whoopdee freakin' do" means. I don't care about your score. You could score a bazillion points and that dial will still be garbage.

I played a bunch of games with Opt at Zapcon. He is ten times the video gamer that I am. We had a blast because he is not a high score ---meecrob---. I was just up in Minnesota playing video games with Vigo. Neither one of us gave a crap who could score higher on any given game. Same goes with Yotsuya and any other guys at Zapcon.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 26, 2018, 06:36:46 pm
the arcade 1up machines are trashy and low quality.
i've never said otherwise.
I couldn't tell by the constant youtube linking on how to mod them, and reviews left and right.

This whole topic is littered with your wishy-washy stance, and it's gotten old.  Please just give it a rest.  Buy the cabinet if you're going to do so, mod it to whatever you want.
Just stop this sort-of, not really, kinda product promotion. At this point you're spamming, and if you continue to do so, your posts will be flagged to mods.  Please read #10 of our forum rules (http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade_message_rules.html).
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2018, 07:00:32 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181026/85721f79ed490fd456d53d3b2f08c647.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: markc74 on October 26, 2018, 07:22:40 pm
Bring back xiou2 (or whatever his handle was)

This thread would hit 100 pages and peeps would still be arguing about ---fudgesicle--- all.

Build your own != this. Fin.

Ps. Apologies for language. Just tired of seeing this at the top of unread with nothing useful in it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 26, 2018, 07:42:16 pm
Build your own != this. Fin.

You clearly need a tour through Crapmame.

I disagree that nothing useful has come out of this thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the developments as they've unfolded.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 26, 2018, 07:49:04 pm
yes, there are 10+ other things wrong with them.
the dial is not one of them though.

Then why all the mods from amateurs? Nearly everyone seems to comment on the spinner being not how they remember. Maybe you played on a cabinet that didn't have the same spinner issues I did (or anyone else has).

I'm all for standing your ground but this is a bad one to try to defend. The spinner complaints isn't a complaint about authenticity, it's a complaint about usability. I mean, are you seriously suggesting if you could implement 10 updates to the machines, you wouldn't swap out the spinner?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: JudgeRob on October 26, 2018, 07:57:46 pm
The fun part of a spinner is spinning it.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: coasterlvr on October 26, 2018, 08:09:35 pm


I just played a really poor game from level 9 and got to level 22 and 125k in under 7 minutes.  i might be to invisible in 30. LOL

video or it didn't happen. on what machine. what controller.

later
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https://youtu.be/HRF3Ztf456I

just a simple game to see how long it takes because i sure didn't think it took that long to get to the red, or to get that score.  since we are on BYOAC, i used my old mame bartop with an oscar spinner. 

that a1up "spinner" if it even deserves to be called that, is trash.  sure, you can play the game.  you can move around and shoot.  but it's not how i care to play. 

i don't think anyone should say the spinner is okay, and tempest or any game that uses the "spinner", is, playable.  i'd be pissed if someone told me to loosen two screws and the spinner is fine after i paid $300.

tempest can still be fun to play on the a1up cabinet, but it sure doesn't use "authentic arcade controls".  i do have fun playing centipede on my replicade centipede, but i knew buying it, the control wasn't going to be authentic arcade control.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: markc74 on October 26, 2018, 08:17:45 pm
You clearly need a tour through Crapmame.

I disagree that nothing useful has come out of this thread. I've thoroughly enjoyed watching the developments as they've unfolded.

One of my favourite sites, and still gives me a laugh when I reread it  ;D

I enjoyed it for the first few pages but it's now hit the point where nothing is being added. They're 4 feet high toys. Maybe good for kids but I can't see any kid playing it for long with the deluge of gadgets that can play more than 3/4 games. "Hey son, wanna play Street Fighter 2 while I kneel down or would you rather play BOTW chilling on the couch?". It does one job, and from the reviews, badly.

If you wanna throw more money on controls, stands etc at something to bring it up to par and still be looking at a washed out 17" LCD with crap viewing angles and rubaway control panel graphics(TM) then no advice from anyone here is gonna matter.

Anyway. I'm off to finish my 5ft stand for my neo geo mini. Laterz Haterz  ;D
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: coasterlvr on October 26, 2018, 08:30:41 pm
rubaway control panel graphics(TM)


 :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:
Title: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2018, 09:01:16 pm
Bring back xiou2 (or whatever his handle was)

This thread would hit 100 pages and peeps would still be arguing about ---fudgesicle--- all.

Build your own != this. Fin.

Ps. Apologies for language. Just tired of seeing this at the top of unread with nothing useful in it.

You mad, bro? :)


I come to this thread for the entertainment. Makes me wonder what would happen if someone went to a fine woodworking site and posted how excited they were that IKEA was coming out with a new variation of the Sklürg bookcase?
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 26, 2018, 09:04:11 pm
“Hey off-roading 4-wheel drive enthusiasts! What do you guys think of my new ride?”

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181027/a9a6b01f22e19f2c18351fcdf9b96ded.jpg)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: wp34 on October 26, 2018, 11:18:18 pm
Makes me wonder what would happen if someone went to a fine woodworking site and posted how excited they were that IKEA was coming out with a new variation of the Sklürg bookcase?

I get your point but this is a little different.  Ikea has been making flat pack furniture for years.  To my knowledge there has never been anything quite like this for our hobby. Makes sense that we would want to discuss them.

I have found this thread helpful.  Friends that know I'm in the hobby are going to ask me about the 1Up's and now I can give them specific feedback rather than just calling them "garbage" or dismissing them simply because I prefer original cabinets.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 27, 2018, 12:16:55 am
So, in your example, we are the “fine woodworking site”? lol

Now I understand where the problem is... ;)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 27, 2018, 12:45:56 am
So, in your example, we are the “fine woodworking site”? lol

Now I understand where the problem is... ;)

Yeah, when I first started here, guys like you inspired me to learn how to build, to do things on my own.

Never meet your heroes, like they say.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 27, 2018, 12:00:49 pm
The cool thing about BYOAC is it's always been very accepting. Quite the opposite of KLOV. Someone needs help with their Midway Arcade Treasures machine, they come to BYOAC and there are people who offer help and not belittle their choice by calling their machines toys, trash, etc.

If the winds are changing, and I'm part of the old guard, well, that sucks. If this is just normal resistance between the old and new, akin to Rasberry Pi's, LCD monitors, etc - it'll work itself out over time.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 27, 2018, 12:04:38 pm
Allow me to take back "toys" as I referenced it as an insult. It's technically a toy. I think it's said with a bit of snide, but that's moot.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 27, 2018, 01:34:01 pm
If the winds are changing, and I'm part of the old guard, well, that sucks. If this is just normal resistance between the old and new, akin to Rasberry Pi's, LCD monitors, etc - it'll work itself out over time.


But they aren't. I think these are neat but I wouldn't advocate buying it. They are better than the midway cabs; and if someone made a post asking for help, I'd help. Im actually surprised there havent been any owner posts about them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 27, 2018, 02:22:18 pm
We are relics.  People these days only use facebook or reddit fan pages to post questions.... sad but true. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 27, 2018, 02:56:01 pm
Someone asked about the Centipede and Millipede games, being
smaller on the deluxe, and that the aspect ratios of both
games looked wrong on there, and on the regular cabinets.

So I looked into it. The arcade 1up pictures, used stock photos,
so they aren't exactly accurate, but are close. The deluxe image
IS incorrect, so I had to fix it to match.

I used reference issues from youtube.

Bottom Line:
====================================================
Aspect ratio is close on Regular, and Deluxe versions.

Incorporating 5x vertical scaling, and 4x horizontal gives
1280x960 pixel resolution on the 1280x1024 screen. With 32
pixels unused on sides.

So, yes, the images are mostly correct, but much smaller.

The standard cabinet is 71% the size of the arcade screen
on a standard 19 inch monitor.

The deluxe cabinet is 60% the size of the Arcade 1up
standalone cabinet.

 
Code: (auto:0) [Select]
Results summarized below. (sizes in inches, and pixels)
---------------------------------------------------------------------
               size      height     width    ratio    resolution screen res
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
arcade monitor 19 inch    15.5       12.75  6:5  1.2   256x240      240p

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
arcade 1up
standard       17 inch    13.256    10.643  5:4  1.25  1024x1280    n/a

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
arcade 1up
deluxe         17 inch    10.643    13.256  4:5  0.8   1280x1024    n/a
---------------------------------------------------------------------------


area comparisons
-------------------------
arcade monitor   =    197.625 in2

arcade 1up standard = 141 in2       = 71% of arcade
 
arcade 1up deluxe   = 84.3 in2      = 60% of arcade 1up
===========================================================================


Arcade 1up reference
(https://i.postimg.cc/0yvqcqqT/arc-1up-centipede-comp.jpg)

Arcade 1up deluxe
(https://i.postimg.cc/52mWrk46/arc-1up-delux-cent-cropfix.jpg])

Deluxe, arcade screen capture,
centipede dedicate, millipede dedicated
---------------------------------------
(https://i.postimg.cc/9f85mRq2/centipede-ref-image.jpg)

Actual arcade monitor
---------------------
(https://i.postimg.cc/BvQffcbN/arcade-centipede-actual-cropresize.jpg)


==================
Sources : google images, youtube videos (deadmoon)
arcade1up page, bestbuy.com

Reference images : arcade centipede, arcade 1up pictures,
centipede deluxe cabinet, centipede and millipede on
arcade 1up.


later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 27, 2018, 03:27:39 pm
Gah, those LCD’s look terrible. Aspect ratios isn’t the only problem with the display...
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: kagaden on October 27, 2018, 05:57:20 pm
The cool thing about BYOAC is it's always been very accepting. Quite the opposite of KLOV. Someone needs help with their Midway Arcade Treasures machine, they come to BYOAC and there are people who offer help and not belittle their choice by calling their machines toys, trash, etc.

If the winds are changing, and I'm part of the old guard, well, that sucks. If this is just normal resistance between the old and new, akin to Rasberry Pi's, LCD monitors, etc - it'll work itself out over time.

Completely agree. No one is forcing anyone to buy this thing and if one doesn't like it, return it. It's sounding to me like old men :censored:ing about some youngin on their lawn.

I'm glad they brought this to market, even if it's not for me because I'm more of a candy and showcase guy myself... I'm still happy arcade cabinets are getting some love and attention and I hope they do well.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 27, 2018, 06:40:41 pm
My local Walmart had one centipede and two asteroids cabs in stock this evening.  I would bet these things will be $249 in a few weeks before the x-mas rush.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 27, 2018, 11:14:56 pm
Looks like you can test out the deluxe atari unit at frys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtacMGVU3A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtacMGVU3A)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgtacMGVU3A#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 28, 2018, 12:34:42 pm
this is a great example of the community coming
around this product, and fixing it:

Two of the best videos showing how to replace the spinner, very detailed:

this one is a cheaper solution:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1PkXbc6GA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1PkXbc6GA)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q1PkXbc6GA#)

this is a more expensive one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qntPm_xSLdo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qntPm_xSLdo)

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qntPm_xSLdo#)

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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 28, 2018, 01:10:33 pm
Gah, those LCD’s look terrible. Aspect ratios isn’t the only problem with the display...

Yes, they have a terrible viewing angle, and of course, the black levels aren't great.

That said, the lighting is terrible in that shot.

CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 28, 2018, 04:47:42 pm
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
All screens are terrible in daylight. But that LCD shown looks much worst than any cheap lcd you’d buy in a store.

So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: smass on October 28, 2018, 05:27:52 pm
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
All screens are terrible in daylight. But that LCD shown looks much worst than any cheap lcd you’d buy in a store.

So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.

I have several 17" Dell LCDs lying around.  I get them at salvation army when I see them for $5-10.  When, if, I ever get my Galaga, I plan to use one of these LCDs along with a free computer, a zero delay, and possibly upgrade the joystick to a decent 4-way leaf.  All that should come in less than $50.  *shrugs*

By the way - I just checked Ebay Sold listings.  The Galaga is selling for $599.  No wonder they are delaying my preorder.  If that price holds up I will be selling mine.  $450 or so after Ebay fees and shipping costs?  I'll flip it and wait until the craziness dies down and then buy one to keep...   ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 28, 2018, 06:27:39 pm
Still, my point stands. You have to practically replace everything to have a decent product here. At that point, you might as well roll your own, or buy a pre-cut kit.

Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: MikeyJ122 on October 28, 2018, 07:13:15 pm
Renewed interest in Arcade cabinets can only be a good thing imo. I can totally see a good amount of people collecting all of these and having their own Arcade Rooms. Which will just bring more attention and people to the hobby. If anything, that will make the CLASSIC old cabs MORE valuable.

Think about it like this, the first group of Arcade collectors/fans will have Arcade 1ups. Then the second  more dedicated fans will have MAME machines. The third group, the SERIOUS collectors will have the original machines. I fall into the second category myself. If these Arcade 1ups really take off, it's just going to bring more people to the hobby, I feel that's something to be embraced. This could be the ground floor for an Arcade revival. Just more on a personal/private scale, not actual Arcades like the days of old.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: leapinlew on October 28, 2018, 07:50:30 pm
CRT's are horrible in daylight, and the picture shows the arcade cabinet monitor
doesn't look great either.

The only way to make things better, and compare, is to show them both in dark rooms,
with no lighting.
So on top of replacing controls, the emulation hardware and now the screen to make these cabinets remotely close to a quality experience, that $300 toy is now looking closer to $500-600.
And you still have a brittle cabinet with rub-off graphics!

Garbage product is still garbage.

Controls: While the spinner is nearly universally hated, the joysticks and buttons are considered adequate.
Emulation Hardware: The Rampage cabinet is having issues, otherwise the rest of the cabs work as advertised. Not sure what the complaint is here.
Screen: The viewing angles are terrible, but while playing and looking straight at it, I didn't have an issue. Would be nice if there was a scan line option, but the screens aren't awful. I'd say they do the job, but definitely aren't top of the line.
Brittle Cabinet: Time will tell
Rub-Off graphics: True statement....

I think the best cabinet of the bunch is Galaga and Street Fighter. I think they were a bit stingy of the game options on those cabinets, but it's not a surprise. You know going in that you are basically getting 1 game per cabinet.

If your point is that spending twice as much gets you a better experience. True. Most of the Arcade1up folks I see are not "roll your own" types so I don't think that's an option for them.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 28, 2018, 08:18:14 pm
Conversely, this is a great opportunity for some of you guys to make money off of people who want to add 5000 games to their cabinets but don’t have the wherewithal to do so.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 01:02:10 am
Conversely, this is a great opportunity for some of you guys to make money off of people who want to add 5000 games to their cabinets but don’t have the wherewithal to do so.

Or mod the controls for them. I see people requesting that in the comments on people that
have done mods already, like the spinner ones.

Some people will be put off by the cost of getting real arcade parts though.
and feel like its good enough as is.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 03:56:33 am
looks like even the original tempest dial isn't that great,
at 6:40, there are replacements to fix it to spin better,
and last longer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhrGpSzB3k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhrGpSzB3k)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PhrGpSzB3k#)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 29, 2018, 05:37:22 am
Yeah. Those Tempest spinners are crap. After 30 years they might need a little maintenance. ::)
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: yotsuya on October 29, 2018, 09:37:54 am
Yeah. Those Tempest spinners are crap. After 30 years they might need a little maintenance. ::)

This thread has now taken a sad, sad turn.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 29, 2018, 09:48:22 am
Yeah. It has gone stupid even for an internet thread.

Favorably comparing that ---smurfy--- dial to a Tempest spinner is laughable.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Malenko on October 29, 2018, 09:55:19 am
How else is he going to pump those post numbers up?  Why contribute something meaningful when you can triple post youtube video links in this thread?  The exact same thread is going on at pinside
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: coasterlvr on October 29, 2018, 12:42:11 pm
looks like even the original tempest dial isn't that great,
at 6:40, there are replacements to fix it to spin better,
and last longer:

oh boy.  that upgrade is like putting higher performance/lighter wheels and tires on your car.  the A1UP "spinner" is like putting square wheels and cement tires on your car.

btw, the bitwrench(for arcade buttons) he sells on klov is awesome.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 12:55:33 pm
no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.

the point is old arcade games are like luxury cars, great when they work,
and expensive to fix and maintain. and are a pain in the neck to keep
running at times, thats the point of hundreds of videos about old and
new arcade games. sometimes thats the fun part.

atari tempest dial
----------------------
- Atari part # 73-834
- tooth count 72
- yes, they were weighted and worked well, but got stuck, and had issues if you didn't oil them
- arcade games got more abuse than at home games of course
- cost about $70 for NOS :   https://www.arcadefixit.com/category.sc?categoryId=24 (https://www.arcadefixit.com/category.sc?categoryId=24)
NOS part. Used on Tempest and other games. Very limited qty. Atari part # 73-834. Includes 2 set screws\
(https://www.arcadefixit.com/images/1290387248092-1108980719.jpg)

- repros cost about $30, but not sure how long they last either
(https://www.arcadefixit.com/images/13639848146591126671168.jpg)

so yeah, after 30 years, they will wear out, and break just like they did originally.

as i mentioned, i have a 20 year old blasteroids machine, thats in near mint condition,
and plays like day 1, since i barely use it.

blasteroids dial:
-------------------
- atari knob part # 038319-01
(https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images2/1/0416/22/arcade-atari-blasteroid-joystick-knob_1_e1f956df32cb50118f3bb86aa2028f36.jpg)

- tooth count 72
- much more rubber on it, and less spokes
- different assembly

so maybe 7 years later, dials got better (blasteroids is 1988), i have no idea if real ones wore out also,
since no one except me a few other people ever played this game.

i'm lucky, the only thing i've ever replaced in my machine when i got it, was
a power supply, and thats it. its been working ever since then.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 01:01:57 pm
Yeah. It has gone stupid even for an internet thread.

Favorably comparing that ---smurfy--- dial to a Tempest spinner is laughable.

who's comparing anything, todd is comparing the old bad tempest spinner
to a newer improved part that makes it work better.

the brass fittings work much better than the nylon ones, thats the point.
even the originals never had that.

watch the actual video, and you would have seen that.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 29, 2018, 01:04:27 pm
Quote
no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.
You make numerous comparisons all throughout this thread. Stop smoking crack. It is bad for your brain.

I am not going to waste my time watching your ---smurfy--- video links.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 01:07:49 pm
Quote
no one's comparing anything, you are making that assumption.
You make numerous comparisons all throughout this thread. Stop smoking crack. It is bad for your brain.

I am not going to waste my time watching your ---smurfy--- video links.

tell, me where i said the dial is acceptable as a replacement for the arcade one. oh, you can't.

i said its acceptable to play the game. period.

todds videos are probably the best arcade comparison, and repair videos out there.

he tells it like it is, bad monitors, bad parts, all in the original games.
he doesn't sugar coat it to make people think all those old games worked well,
or were designed well. they all had flaws, and newer parts are better made,
and can make them last longer, and work better than they ever did originally.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 29, 2018, 01:10:03 pm
Quote
The game is PERFECTLY playable as is, because in Tempest, you NEVER need to spin fast
to play. You use slow controlled movements a segment to the left or right, especially
in the upper levels with the pulsars and fuses.

You were busy bragging about your Tempest prowess at the time.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: coasterlvr on October 29, 2018, 01:23:13 pm

i said its acceptable to play the game. period.


yeah, no.  if you call the way you struggled playing tempest with their spinner, acceptable, well, i don't know what to say.   can it be fun?  sure, in a, let's see how far we can get with terrible control, type of fun. 

if A1UP didn't advertise "Authentic Arcade Controls and Gameplay" or, "True Arcade Tactile Feel - Plays exactly as you remember" that would be one thing, but that's how they are marketing these cabinets.  Their "spinner" is none of that, at all.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 29, 2018, 01:31:26 pm
I've said this many a time on this site over the years and I think it's appropriate in this instance.  You CAN do a lot of things, but it doesn't mean you SHOULD.  I can play tempest in mame with a frikkin keyboard and do acceptably well in it, but it doesn't mean I should.  The game was designed to be played with a spinner, so if you want to play the game as intended, you play it with a spinner, even if it was EASIER to play via the keyboard.  Why?  Well if I have to answer that question to you then you probably shouldn't be on this forum. 
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Mike A on October 29, 2018, 01:33:40 pm
Quote
i'm sure i can crush any score you can ever put up, along with 99% of the rest of the people
here or that bought it.

Sounds like you think it is more than just acceptable.

Just own your douchiness.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 29, 2018, 02:16:21 pm
@negative1

For chrisstsake can you stop posting youtube videos?  Your passive promotion of this thing is really annoying, and is becoming pointless noise in this thread.

I've now started flagging your posts to the mods. This Spamming needs to stop.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: Osirus23 on October 29, 2018, 02:18:48 pm
@negative1

For chrisstsake can you stop posting youtube videos?  Your passive promotion of this thing is really annoying, and is becoming pointless noise in this thread.

I've now started flagging your posts to the mods. This Spamming needs to stop.

I agree. It's obnoxious. The videos don't even show up for me anyway (which is good, because I would never watch them) but I still get a big empty space saying the video is no longer available which makes his (very numerous) posts take up a ton of vertical space when scrolling this thread.
Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 03:51:09 pm
the last video i posted from todd's channel was about the tempest dial improvements.

the prior videos posted were about using arcade parts to replace the stock dial.

if there's something wrong with that, sure flag it.

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: negative1 on October 29, 2018, 09:35:46 pm
tutorial for making a lighted marquee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4cgGOLkXQU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4cgGOLkXQU)

later
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Title: Re: Arcade 1Up's Ikea cabinets
Post by: opt2not on October 29, 2018, 10:59:06 pm
You seriously can’t stop yourself huh?