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Title: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 01:11:30 am
Thought I'd post the latest pics here:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365953;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376701;image)


The following is the original post:


First post, first build....

So thought I was good with this...
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 01:14:09 am
Which after realizing I couldn't play Arkanoid and Discs of Tron led me to find this: 
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180108/9460333a0ee9e2d9a142388a9de3820a.jpg)

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 01:15:25 am
Which led me to this:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=135116.0
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 01:17:43 am
Which made me wanna buy this:
https://www.mameroom.com/webstore.asp?categoryID=42
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 02:12:55 am
After reading these forums knew I had to do it myself.  Huge Tron fan so took a stab at the artwork and came up with this:
(http://newforum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376367;image)

but after seeing the talent in here realized I needed help.  Hired (digitalcutti) at Fiverr to do the artwork (published Marvel artist) and came up with this:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180108/9ac1a753cd1c1e96721e1c7cdf10dec8.jpg)

Idea is that you are on ďThe GridĒ'

Gonna make all the n00b mistakes:

Rotating monitor (thank you Maximus,DNADan)
LED buttons (thank you Nephasth and ChanceKJ )
Dynamic Marquee: (thank you Blip and Mimic, courtesy of markc74 and Laythe)
Frankenpanel (yes I know, but hopefully its not too bad :D

Sketchup drawing so far:

(http://newforum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376368;image)

I have a couple of ideas that I THINK, havenít been done so far but with all of the talent on this forum itís probably been done and I just missed it.

Looking forward to posting at a SLOW pace (two kids).

Oh and if it wasn't blatantly obvious, I totally ripped off Chance's design.  Thanks Chance ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on January 08, 2018, 12:59:10 pm
I like your theme and it is interesting how you made the artwork wrap around the cabinet.  Good luck with your build!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 01:18:08 pm
Thanks wp34, I gotta say I thought I had some original ideas but then saw your Tron build and well, you already nailed it.  Gonna do the same Soulinertia discs you did but over the speakers.  Also been working on my Tron stick:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180108/ce1c5599468de4d879e3c90a7aae5498.jpg)

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on January 08, 2018, 01:41:01 pm
Nice.  I had a lot of fun putting those discs together. I like the location you chose to place yours.   

Looking forward to seeing your progress.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: morton on January 08, 2018, 08:39:21 pm
I dig the level of commitment on hiring out the art... that wraparound art looks pretty rad!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 08, 2018, 11:07:23 pm
wp34 those discs made it snow black for an entire weekend.  Twice had to get the saline out to dig out bits in my eye before I threw on the goggles, slow learner, LOL.

Morton, yeah I highly recommend digitalcutti at Fiverr, very professional and easy to work with.

Plan on posting more this weekend when some parts come in for my monitor....well laid plans... weíll see.🤞
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on January 09, 2018, 08:01:58 am
wp34 those discs made it snow black for an entire weekend.  Twice had to get the saline out to dig out bits in my eye before I threw on the googles, slow learner, LOL.

Ha!  I could smell the plastic burning again when I read this.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: 1500points on January 09, 2018, 09:21:26 am
Where are you guys sourcing the tron style flight stick?

I canít seem to find a good quality flight stick anywhere


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Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 09, 2018, 11:09:48 am
The main sticks you can get here:

https://na.suzohapp.com/products/joysticks&FNAME=JOYSTICK_TYPE&FVAL=Heavy%20Duty%20Joystick&FUOM= (https://na.suzohapp.com/products/joysticks&FNAME=JOYSTICK_TYPE&FVAL=Heavy%20Duty%20Joystick&FUOM=)

It depends on if you want digital or analog.  I went with digital but will be attaching a U360 onto the base so that I can get analog and digital controls.

The UV reactive blue shell you can get here:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=319)

 I plan on doing a write up once I get it put together, to describe everything and source of parts.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: richardoswald on January 09, 2018, 02:36:03 pm
I'm really digging the theme and the art  :o !  Looking forward to the final product!

Do you have any templates you could share, whether 3D or art? I'm about to start the design stage for my build and am currently sourcing templates.

Good luck and I'll look out for your next update!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 09, 2018, 09:42:31 pm
Thanks, yeah I spent a lot of time with the artist on a theme, he was very patient with me.

As for the templates not sure exactly what your looking for but I figured Iíd throw up dimensions of the side panels.  The one on the left is ChanceKJís Flynn design.  The one on the right is the modified version I made to accommodate the dynamic Marquee and rotating screen and also a lower control panel height (37Ē, I think Chances came out to 40Ē).

I can attach the original CAD files that he made public or also give you my version if thatíd help.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180110/c8d2724944407969b70d494a63141df6.jpg)

If you havenít already Iíd highly recommend building the machine in Sketchup or some CAD program, letís you test out any ideas and make any changes before cutting wood and finding out stuff doesnít fit the way you thought it would.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 09, 2018, 11:57:35 pm
Oh man! This is so cool!

 :cheers:

Can't wait to see this built. Good call on the marquee and I love your art package!

(oh and thanks for the shoutouts :D )
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 09:34:21 am
You da man Chance.
Now get back to the Sheriff restoration, I wanna see that thing runnin!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: rablack97 on January 10, 2018, 09:48:33 am
You know your build has a pinball twin  :applaud:

(https://dms-discourse-static.s3.amazonaws.com/original/3X/7/3/737e9c2587f919de24b26ae9f9274631c8f32a34.jpg)

Looking forward to seeing what you do with this......TRON is da bomb :blowup:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 03:08:02 pm
Thatís awesome, who built that?

Cheers by the way Rodney, loved your MKX build, that was clean, and the graphics were sick!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on January 10, 2018, 03:42:33 pm
Nice looking project!
You guys have such great artist skills..
Looking forward to the updates.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 10, 2018, 03:56:13 pm
While itís no secret Iím not a fan of that particular cabinet shape, I do want to say that your artwork is superb and I do dig the speaker discs. Kudos to you for reaching out to a professional artist and valuing his work.

If you need anything, just ask. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 10, 2018, 04:48:11 pm
While itís no secret Iím not a fan of that particular cabinet shape, I do want to say that your artwork is superb and I do dig the speaker discs. Kudos to you for reaching out to a professional artist and valuing his work.

^ All of this.
Too bad about the shape design, especially the control panel, but great planning so far. Looking forward to how that artwork turns out.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 08:26:56 pm
Thanks bperkins wish I could take the credit for the talent.

Yotsuya & opt2not - thanks for chiming in, any praise from you two is awesome, but Iíll bank it for when I actually get this thing built.

I actually was conflicted a lot on the design, Iím a 79í kid so my experience was split between the 80ís and 90ís stuff.  Huge fighting game fan and loved the 4 player TMNT NBA Jam 4 player games, and at the same time loved some of the classics with spinners and flight sticks. 

Worked on the art before really diving into Sketchup and kinda committed at this point.  If Iím able to build cab #2 Iíd love to design something on my own.  Cheers guys.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 10, 2018, 10:03:55 pm
Thanks bperkins wish I could take the credit for the talent.

Yotsuya & opt2not - thanks for chiming in, any praise from you two is awesome, but Iíll bank it for when I actually get this thing built.

I actually was conflicted a lot on the design, Iím a 79í kid so my experience was split between the 80ís and 90ís stuff.  Huge fighting game fan and loved the 4 player TMNT NBA Jam 4 player games, and at the same time loved some of the classics with spinners and flight sticks. 

Worked on the art before really diving into Sketchup and kinda committed at this point.  If Iím able to build cab #2 Iíd love to design something on my own.  Cheers guys.

I like your enthusiasm, brother. Youíre all right.

Good luck with the build. Where you located?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 10:18:24 pm
Between two kids and a full time job this is EASILY the coolest thing I got going on.  Love to find someone else in San Francisco area that gets it, cause when I tell the peeps I get:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/06e171b1e8979eec8635dea964b8a7ba.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 10, 2018, 10:34:21 pm
Between two kids and a full time job this is EASILY the coolest thing I got going on.  Love to find someone else in San Francisco area that gets it, cause when I tell the peeps I get:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/06e171b1e8979eec8635dea964b8a7ba.jpg)

Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 10:42:21 pm
Love to but Iím gonna be in Japan visiting the in-laws.  Is it always the third week in April?  Maybe I can block it off for 2019.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 10, 2018, 10:49:31 pm
Love to but Iím gonna be in Japan visiting the in-laws.  Is it always the third week in April?  Maybe I can block it off for 2019.


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Not necessarily, but usually. Plan for Ď19. DIUBA!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 10:56:39 pm
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Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 10, 2018, 10:58:40 pm
Calendered(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/98d74f751eb748a23159e7eed4c00c58.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/0c9fe0d2eb4c48a8805278608dd81ec8.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 10, 2018, 11:14:57 pm
Calendered(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/98d74f751eb748a23159e7eed4c00c58.jpg)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180111/0c9fe0d2eb4c48a8805278608dd81ec8.jpg)
ďIím the man up in this place. Iím the poh-lice, I run steaming pile of meadow muffin round hereĒ
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 10, 2018, 11:56:51 pm
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 11, 2018, 12:34:58 am
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

Thatís right. Well, youíre closer to homie than I am!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: rablack97 on January 11, 2018, 10:47:37 pm
Thatís awesome, who built that?

Cheers by the way Rodney, loved your MKX build, that was clean, and the graphics were sick!

Little old me built the pinball as well, doubled back and built a killer instinct, now working on injustice 2.

Will be following this while munching popcorn.......am a tron fan for sure.....ought to be top notch.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 11, 2018, 11:51:51 pm
Little old me built the pinball as well, doubled back and built a killer instinct, now working on injustice 2.

Will be following this while munching popcorn.......am a tron fan for sure.....ought to be top notch.


Dunno how I missed that. This pic right here says it all:

(http://newforum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376369;image)

Thatís a legit build, Iíd love to try a Vpin some day just for the challenge.
Cheers bro, Iíll try to keep up the standard you set.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 12:58:53 am
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

You been to Coin-Op or Brewcade before you left?  Still not sure how I feel about the Barcade thing....
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2018, 03:44:25 am
Opt2Not is in SF. You should come to ZapCon Ď18 with him! ;)
Not anymore! I moved to the Silicon Valley. :D

You been to Coin-Op or Brewcade before you left?  Still not sure how I feel about the Barcade thing....
Yeah Iíve been to Brewcade on the regular to throw up a high score on their multi-Williams (mainly Robotron) or 1942. I like their beer selection and the times I go there arenít many people there. Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

They have an small selection of games, the notables are R-type, Paperboy, a Neo Geo 4 slotter, ms pac, 1942 and of course the Williams cab. The rest are drivers and some quarter munchers. There are a few pins too.  I like the place overall because I lived a few blocks away and it was a go-to spot to unwind on my way home from work.
Emporium SF is apparently open now, and itís supposed to be huge. Itís an old converted theatre with multiple floors of games. Next time Iím back in the city for a visit Iíll check it out.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 08:42:53 am
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2018, 08:58:22 am
10 player! 5v5. Itís a MASSIVE machine!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 12, 2018, 09:02:25 am
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 10:11:21 am
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/6c78e14747faf0865ff46d58d8bd96d3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 12, 2018, 10:24:58 am
I donít know, some of the cabs I see being built approach the dimensions of one of them at least. ;)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180112/6c78e14747faf0865ff46d58d8bd96d3.jpg)

Heh. Naw, I wasnít referring to you. Seriously. ;)

But I have seen cabs here that need to upgrade to the husky size in boys pants.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 10:44:08 am
Heh. Naw, I wasnít referring to you. Seriously. ;)

But I have seen cabs here that need to upgrade to the husky size in boys pants.

Couldn't pass up the opportunity for a good meme ;)

Got some parts in yesterday, looking forward to posting some actual build pics and updates, not that I don't enjoy the banter ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on January 12, 2018, 10:58:05 am
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.

I actually like that about Killer queen. Makes the game impossible to see the "Big picture" Your eyes are so focused on what your guy is doing, you are clueless the the fact about how they are scoring. It would be ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for any other game to be 10" from a massive screen, but it works with that game.

Plus, I really like playing at zapcon to see those 5th graders shocked they are getting their asses handed to them by middle aged dudes. They they don't realize we had that game when we were their age, just called Joust. To hear their pile of excuses and seeing them blame others is gold to my ears.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 12, 2018, 11:01:49 am
Which is part of the problem because of Killer Queen. Nothing infuriates me more than some hipster trying to recruit me to play that game  with 9 of his/her friendís. Especially when Iím there to chill, drink beer, and enjoy some single player hi score action. Then say I do cave and join in, the first 15 minutes is them explaining to me how to play the darn thing. Yeah ďbruhhhĒ Iíve played this game before. Itís just ďokayĒ.

^This right here. 
If anyone wants to see how NOT to build an Arcade then checkout a 8 player Killer Queen on side by side 50Ē screens.

I actually like that about Killer queen. Makes the game impossible to see the "Big picture" Your eyes are so focused on what your guy is doing, you are clueless the the fact about how they are scoring. It would be ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- for any other game to be 10" from a massive screen, but it works with that game.

Plus, I really like playing at zapcon to see those 5th graders shocked they are getting their asses handed to them by middle aged dudes. They they don't realize we had that game when we were their age, just called Joust. To hear their pile of excuses and seeing them blame others is gold to my ears.

We should have enough to have a LOCALS v. OUT-OF-TOWNERS Game again! Huzzah!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on January 12, 2018, 11:59:51 am
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.
Title: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 12, 2018, 12:13:15 pm
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.

Weíre posting this here to get you pumped about ZapCon Ď19, Arroyo!!!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 12:37:03 pm
Game on!! Was a great final event when we did it 2 years ago, would love to do it again.

Weíre posting this here to get you pumped about ZapCon Ď19, Arroyo!!!

Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
Step 3: Book ticket to Phoenix for April 2019.
Got it! 

Actually have clients in Arizona, so it's not that crazy. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2018, 02:05:35 pm
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 12, 2018, 02:28:56 pm
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)
I'll bring the notepad and a sixpack 8)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 12, 2018, 02:45:07 pm
Step 1: Visit Bank - get LOTS of quarters
Step 2: Head to Brewcade and take lessons from opt2not
If you're getting lessons from me, you won't need a lot of quarters. ;)

I truly canít wait to see you play Robotron at ZapCon!!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on January 12, 2018, 02:55:38 pm
I second that.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 12, 2018, 05:16:55 pm
I truly canít wait to see you play Robotron at ZapCon!!

I second that.

I'll try not to disappoint. ;)

I can't wait till Robotron is picked for the high-score comp here again.

It was the #5 comp back in 2008, and I was playing on one of those arcade legends machines, before I was able to acquire my grail cab (and yes, it's an actual grail as it took me years to find the cabaret/mini version, and I drove 6 hours to the middle of Washington farmland to get it).  (+_+) won that comp with a score that I can easily get on proper controls now. Using those old Happ Comps were a real pain back then.  Wico-leafz 4 lyfe son!
#5 - Robotron 2084 - Winner: (+_+), Second: opt2not (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,85787.0.html)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: 1500points on January 13, 2018, 07:51:18 am
The robot screen name reminds me of just how long it has been since Marc Fournier was around.  He kind of disappeared from teh interwebz?!?!


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Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 16, 2018, 01:01:19 am
Ok, so I need to outline the project timeline.  I recently sold our home and am renting so the bulk of the project up front will be focused on the electronics as I can't really get wood at the moment (insert joke).  So I am focusing on the electronics for now. 

I figured the most difficult part will be figuring out the rotating monitor, so I thought I would start there.  I actually started a little while ago, and got some additional parts this last week that let me make some real head way:

First off, why do a rotating screen?  I found out early on in my searching that playing vertical games (Donkey Kong, 1942, Dig Dug, etc.) looked really weird on a horizontal screen:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364986;image)
Huge black bars on the sides and generally a squished image.

I originally started with this:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364880;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364882;image)

A Hitec 755MG with the Servo Block from Servo City.  Solid stuff, but ultimately I found was underpowered for my application.

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://youtu.be/cBTPuIKkCoc (https://youtu.be/cBTPuIKkCoc)

So I got working on a new servo that came in this last week.

Most people when choosing to do a rotating monitor use a big circle to hide the area behind the screen.  I am choosing to do the opposite and instead highlight the area behind the screen with lit artwork:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364988;image)

So to highlight the artwork behind the screen I am choosing to place the monitor on a stand:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364884;image)

Married to a mounting plate:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364886;image)

Which will attach to a VESA mounting plate that will connect to the monitor:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364890;image)

Drilled for the attachments:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364896;image)

Drilled a hole for the shaft (1"):
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364900;image)

End result:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364902;image)

Bought a new motor:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364904;image)

A Channel Mount Servo Gearbox from Servo City with 900oz/inch of torque vs. the previous 180oz/inch.
Side view:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364906;image)

Mounted to a channel carriage:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364908;image)

With an assortment of 1" (diameter) 8 spoke hub shafts of various lengths.
Here it is mounted together:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364910;image)

Side view:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364932;image)

Apply the shaft:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364934;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364944;image)

And mount it to the mounting plate after drilling some holes:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364946;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364948;image)
(upside down)

Attached:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364956;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364958;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364960;image)

Check voltage before applying:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364970;image)

Bring 12V down to 7.5V:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364972;image)

Hookup Polulu Micro Maestro to power source and Servo Gearbox for control of the servo:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364976;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364978;image)

Mount 3 Neodymium magnets to mounting plate head each side lower half of hub shaft (Servo City):
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364980;image)

Side view:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364982;image)

Back angle view:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=364984;image)

And use the Micro Maestro Control Center to set some target positions.  Here's a fast example:

https://youtu.be/LJC8qFKfmoM (https://youtu.be/LJC8qFKfmoM)


And slightly slower with a look at the back:

https://youtu.be/Lhv9vV37Mxw (https://youtu.be/Lhv9vV37Mxw)

Still waiting on a 1" bearing to support the hub shaft.  Don't know that it really needs it, but perhaps it will help to relieve some strain on the Servo Gearbox.  More to come....
 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 16, 2018, 01:14:49 am
Too bad youíre not using a 4:3. I think overall it might work better with what youíre trying to accomplish.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on January 16, 2018, 01:15:28 am
Having said that, I get the size limitations of a 4:3, but oh well.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 16, 2018, 08:47:31 am
Having said that, I get the size limitations of a 4:3, but oh well.
I hear ya, the purist in me agrees, but it wouldnít match as well with the dynamic monitor and I would give up modern Steam games.  I figure with it being 16:10 itís closer to 4:3 and the screen area of the 16:10 will be the equivalent of a 24Ē 4:3 monitor which as youíve pointed out is tough to come by.  My hope is that a dark enough plexiglass will hide the bezels and the effect will be the floating monitor in 4:3 or 16:10 depending on the game, surround by a continuation of the theme around it.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 16, 2018, 09:34:15 am
As long as you paint everything black behind the plexi, eliminate any light sources internally, and use a "medium"/"Medium light" grade of tinted plexi you'll be fine.  Obviously non-black things that are hidden behind your monitor, like that bad ass rotational rig won't need to be painted black.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 16, 2018, 10:35:51 am
As long as you paint everything black behind the plexi, eliminate any light sources internally, and use a "medium"/"Medium light" grade of tinted plexi you'll be fine.  Obviously non-black things that are hidden behind your monitor, like that bad ass rotational rig won't need to be painted black.
Hey look at that another early riser!
Thanks for the advice Chance.  My hope is to actually have artwork behind the monitor, light it up subtly with LED strips on the internal braces, and that if everything else is black hopefully it will still hide the monitor, if it doesn't then I can always turn the LED's off and it will hide everything.  I'd love to model it in Sketchup but I don't think you could see all the effects of lighting modeled accurately, gonna have to be a leap of faith on this one I think.  Looking forward to calling this part of the project done and moving on to other cool stuff. Cheers :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on January 16, 2018, 07:43:15 pm
This rotator is looking great. Rotating screens were all the rage 15 years ago, we barely see them now-a-days.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 17, 2018, 02:48:25 pm
This rotator is looking great. Rotating screens were all the rage 15 years ago, we barely see them now-a-days.

Thanks opt2not, it's a work in progress, but hopefully I can get some time to put the front end up on it and upload some videos of the whole thing working.  More to come...
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on January 20, 2018, 09:34:01 am
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180120/d2b3fcaa270bf4eb848dd389f6b7071f.jpg)

Alright, managed to get it working.  For the fullscreen folks out there:


https://youtu.be/AvOFnsAyJ2s (https://youtu.be/AvOFnsAyJ2s)


And for the purists:


https://youtu.be/NeV7WxRsPak (https://youtu.be/NeV7WxRsPak)


Monitor rotates based on a script that looks through a list of games and turns automatically whenever a vertical game is launched. Screen returns to horizontal upon game exit.

Curious to know what people like better 4:3 or widescreen?

Anyway, huge thanks to DaOldMan, DNADan (as far as I know pioneered rotating monitors in Hyperspin), and Maximus aka griffindodd (I believe trail-blazed using a Servo to directly drive the screen).

If thereís interest I was considering doing a write up on the process.

Hereís also an animation on the cab:


https://youtu.be/fmVfDwmGUaI (https://youtu.be/fmVfDwmGUaI)


And the screen curvature, scanlines, and phosphor glow are generated using the GLSL shader CRT-geom, I can post settings if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: DaOld Man on January 21, 2018, 10:03:56 pm
Great work! Makes me wanna dig out the my rotating parts and build another.
I like the idea of back lighting the monitor area, and look forward to see how it looks when you are finished.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on February 02, 2018, 01:21:40 am
Great work! Makes me wanna dig out the my rotating parts and build another.
I like the idea of back lighting the monitor area, and look forward to see how it looks when you are finished.

You daMan, daOldMan.  Godfather of rotation, we owe a lot to this guy. :notworthy:


Package came in the mail today:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365392;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365394;image)

Tron Deluxe Identity discs.  These are the discs that I will use to surround the speaker panels.  I am going to gut the internals and put in a modified LED system so that it will glow white all around.  The plan is to control the 12V LED's inside the discs from the same Ultimarc I-Pac Ultimate I/O board that I will use with the button LED's.  In order to get the 12V LED's to be controlled by the 5V I-Pac I am going to use a Bi-Polar Transistor to act as a switch:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365400;image)

It's kind of hard to see in the pic (sorry about that), but you can see the three wires running to the three legs of the little black rounded flat backed head.

Here it is with the lights turned on by applying the 5V to the Base of the Transistor:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365402;image)

The way that it works, as you may be able to tell form the picture, is to put the 12V LED in series to the "Collector" of the Transistor (represented as C in the picture below).  You put the positive side of you 5V source to the "Base"(represented as B in the picture below), and the 5V negative on the "Emitter" (represented as E in the picture below), then you connect the Emitter to Ground.  One very important step you may notice in the picture and the diagram is to place an appropriate resistor between your 5V power source and the Base.  The Base to Emitter current is intended to be very low.  In my case I am using a 2.4k ohm 1/4 watt resistor.  This particular transistor is able to handle up to 20V from the Collector to the Emitter (or the thing you are turning on), with a maximum current of 3A.  The Base to Emitter voltage (VEBO) is of course 5V as needed for the application.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365404;image)
 
Link for the Transistor:
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/ZTX689B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWizF0eVyYE44Zq%252bpCANXbH08%3d (https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Diodes-Incorporated/ZTX689B?qs=sGAEpiMZZMshyDBzk1%2fWizF0eVyYE44Zq%252bpCANXbH08%3d)

I also got this earlier this week:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365396;image)

As I mentioned earlier in the thread I will be using this Ultimarc U360 to attach to the Tron stick that will be on the control panel.  The reason for doing this is that Happ Heavy Duty 8-way stick will get you the digital directions you need just fine, however for a game like Tron, or any other 4Way game, you have the difficult decision of choosing to limit the stick to 4 way games (via restrictor), or going with 8 way and getting the "stair stepper" problem in the light cycles in Tron.  Also, by using the U360 you can get analog going, and I thought it would be really cool to play something like Star Wars with this stick, it's the best alternative I could think of to a full fledge Atari Yolk (some day I hope).

Here's a picture of the two lined up so you get a sense of what I'm going for:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365398;image)

Hopefully I can work on the discs and stick this weekend.

 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on February 02, 2018, 09:24:32 am
Man I'm loving this build.  It really brings back memories.   :cheers:

I told my wife about your project and her first comment was "where is he going to find discs?"  I'm glad you found some.  Are those from Japan?

Your plan for the trigger stick will be fun to follow.  For my Tron stick I used a Happ Analog.  It works okay but I like the feel of the U360 better.  Have you worked out how you will attach the shells to the shaft of the U360?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on February 02, 2018, 11:59:11 am
Man I'm loving this build.  It really brings back memories.   :cheers:

I told my wife about your project and her first comment was "where is he going to find discs?"  I'm glad you found some.  Are those from Japan?

Your plan for the trigger stick will be fun to follow.  For my Tron stick I used a Happ Analog.  It works okay but I like the feel of the U360 better.  Have you worked out how you will attach the shells to the shaft of the U360?

Dude, the fact that your wife knows there's even discs on your cab, let alone that they are hard to find is incredible.  I need some of that pied piper action at my place, cause with my wife it's all eye rolls.

A quick e-bay search and I was able to pick those up.  I actually picked one up last year at a more expensive price, and then these showed up on e-bay from China.  A little nervous but it looked the same, and if you notice on the lower right hand corner of the picture on the back it says Shanghai Disney (no stone unturned for that company), so I figured it was legit, and thankfully it is, and at a much cheaper price.

As for the stick, hopefully I will be able to post pics this weekend, but essentially I will be attaching the U360 to the bottom of the existing Happ chassis. I like the feel of the Grommet and I am trying to get as close to the original Tron/Discs of Tron stick as possible.  Between the Grommet and the fact that the original sticks used leafs rather than micro switches I figured this would be a good solution.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on February 07, 2018, 01:17:57 am
Got some time this weekend to work on the flight stick.  The goal as stated above was to recreate as close as possible an original Tron/Discs of Tron/Gorf/Xenophobe (I am sure there are others) stick.  As the original sticks used leafs switches I knew I wanted to do away with the microswitches, but I also thought it would be cool to use the stick for more than 4 games.  The idea of using it for flight games (After burner, Star Wars, Hydra, Space Harrier, etc.) was very appealing as well as being able to play both Tron games without sacraficing it to one with a restrictor (4 way vs. 8way).

The U360 is perfect for this so just need to put them together:

Step 1: remove stick from chassis

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365567;image)

You need to remove with a wrench the nut at the bottom or the stick after removing the e-ring and actuator (not pictured)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365569;image)

Step 2: loosen screws at the bottom and then use a wrench to unscrew the hex posts

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365571;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365573;image)

Step 3: remove grommet and plate

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365575;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365577;image)

Step 4: put the grommet plate over the U360 mounting plate

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365579;image)

Step 5: take careful measurements (I remember 11.5/32" on each long side and 1/16 on each side short side) and tape down carefully

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365581;image)

Step 6: remove U360 mounting plate (4 screws) and drill.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365583;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365585;image)

Step 7: reattach U360 base to mounting plate but remove the joystick shaft and drill holes using new ones as guides:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365587;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365589;image)

This was probably one of the most awkward parts, it needs a straight drill otherwise you can misalign the two.  I managed to clamp the U360 mounting plate below my drill press, but you could probably use a hand drill with a bubble level with a steady hand.

Step 8:  Assemble

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365591;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365593;image)

and done:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365595;image)

Full credit for this goes to whynotpizza and genesis who pioneered this technique:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=86734.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=86734.0)

Still need to modify the top restrictor as they have mentioned it can limit the throw in some angles.  I plan on cutting a piece of acrylic in a square slightly larger than the existing restrictor.  Ill post when I can get it done.



Also as some have inquired about the other mods to the stick:

The original Tron sticks used a blacklight tube near the controller to make the plastic glow.  I thought it would be cool to get a UV LED strip and place it inside.  This works but the only problem is it runs on 12V.  In the last post I mentioned how I will be using the Bi-polar transistor to control the on/off of the lights using the i-Pac Ultimate I/O.

To get the LED strip in I wanted to make sure it was evenly lit, so I went to Tapp plastics and got them to cut 1 3/4" (outside diameter) tubing and a small circular disc using mirrored Plexiglass to fit inside (when drilling the hole be aware that it's not center).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365603;image)

I then cut the appropriate length of LED strip and used the sticky backing to get the bottom LED's working.

The top LED's used the other side of the LED strip and followed the seam of where the two plastic pieces come together.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365605;image)

I had a very hard time figuring out the thumb button.  I was able to track down the button which is a Licon 01-700157, (you can also use a Cherry P163) which you can buy online, although they are becoming rare, however finding the circular disc housing was impossible.  I finally broke down and bought a used Xenophobe stick which has two thankfully.

The only problem you are left with is the LED in the switch runs on 2V.  To solve this problem I used two resistors as a voltage divider circuit:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365621;image)
resource: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/voltage-divider-calculator/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/tools/voltage-divider-calculator/)
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-6/voltage-divider-circuits/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-6/voltage-divider-circuits/)

This brings the voltage down to the 2V from a 5V source by using 2 resistors, the first resistor is 43ohms, and the second is 23ohms.  This gives you 1.92V with a maximum allowed amperage of 116mA, which according to the Cherry markings is sufficient.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365607;image)

Still might add a leaf switch in place of the microswitch and of course will have a black plate around the thumb button with graphics.

For those interested here's some pics of the original Xenophobe stick relative to the new one:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365619;image)

And the final results:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365601;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365597;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on February 11, 2018, 08:50:06 pm
I found that stringing those LED's inside the Tron handle was a pain in the buns but yours looks great.   Nice work.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on February 11, 2018, 11:54:14 pm
I found that stringing those LED's inside the Tron handle was a pain in the buns but yours looks great.   Nice work.   :cheers:

Sure was :censored:  Glad I had a model to follow with your build  ;)

As for the discs, I managed to get one put together:

Original Disc

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365751;image)

Backside

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365753;image)

Internals

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365755;image)

Cutting

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365757;image)

Remove ring

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365759;image)

Frontside with ring removed

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365761;image)

And done

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365763;image)

As wp34 mentioned before these are great fun to build, albeit expensive these days.  You have to find the Spin Master Deluxe Identity Discs that were made around 2010. e-Bay is your friend for sure.  You then need to buy the Soul Inertia Package to get it to look like the final product.
http://www.freewebs.com/inertiadesigns/disckits.htm (http://www.freewebs.com/inertiadesigns/disckits.htm)

The lighting effects of the build will follow with the disc.  I managed to locate a power button and USB that will follow the theme, which will be carried through the control panel.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365767;image)

 Hopefully I can pull off a subtle lighting as I don't want this thing to end up looking like a Christmas Tree.

I think this is the point where I will need to lean on the community for help as I haven't figured out how to get that power button to power down the monitor, computer, and lighting all in one.  Gonna give it a go soon hopefully and then cry out for help when it all blows up. :blowup:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on February 12, 2018, 04:37:46 pm
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

 



The lighting effects of the build will follow with the disc.  I managed to locate a power button and USB that will follow the theme, which will be carried through the control panel.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365767;image)


Those look fantastic.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on February 12, 2018, 06:08:40 pm
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

Wife's banned me from cutting in the house cause of that smell :whap, I have to sneak it in when she's out, and then cover it up with air freshener and a pot of roses for distraction.  Sometimes I get caught and its  :bat
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on February 12, 2018, 06:56:13 pm
Thanks for posting those pics.  I know I said this before but I can smell the burning plastic.   ;D 

Wife's banned me from cutting in the house cause of that smell :whap, I have to sneak it in when she's out, and then cover it up with air freshener and a pot of roses for distraction.  Sometimes I get caught and its  :bat

 :laugh2:


 Hopefully I can pull off a subtle lighting as I don't want this thing to end up looking like a Christmas Tree.


With my cabinet I ended up mounting a surge protector near the coin door so I could easily reach it.  The "non-essential" lights are plugged into it.  I usually play with the lights turned off but if we have guests over or the kids have a party I turn the lights back on.
Title: Re: The Grid....(REDESIGN)
Post by: Arroyo on February 19, 2018, 02:10:05 pm
So I've had this thought running in my head for a while, that if this was the only build I ever got to do I wanted to try my hand at designing something on my own.  So I've put together the following and would be curious to hear feedback from folks in the community. 

HUGE thanks to Opt2not, Yatsuya, and wp34 for providing critique and ideas, and of course to Chance for the inspiration and confidence to get going in the first place.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365953;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365949;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365951;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365955;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365947;image)

And an example of the bottom in black.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=365957;image)
 
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: rablack97 on February 19, 2018, 03:40:11 pm
Is that glow effects on the corners.

I like that you modified into something you can call your own.

I like this shape much better, and i like the glow corners vs the black.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 19, 2018, 03:47:50 pm
Is that glow effects on the corners.

It wasnít originally but wp34 gave me that idea, and I thinking Iím going with it!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: stigzler on February 19, 2018, 05:23:33 pm

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M (https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M)


Like the way mum's telling the kids off whilst dad's playing with servos and computer bits. Kudos!  :cheers:

Liking the good technicalities on this build..
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 19, 2018, 10:01:40 pm

I am trying to rotate a HP z30i monitor (30" 16:10 LED LCD), which weighs about 17lb, and while I could turn the monitor it never really worked right:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M (https://www.youtube.com/embed/C7SjthYmb2M)


Like the way mum's telling the kids off whilst dad's playing with servos and computer bits. Kudos!  :cheers:

Liking the good technicalities on this build..

Thatís the adoring cheer squad at its finest
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: yotsuya on February 19, 2018, 10:08:11 pm
I like the upper glow, but I prefer the black bottom. The upper glow fits with the marquee, but it almost seems to break up the bottom.

Regardless, love the fact youíre making this your own.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 19, 2018, 10:31:38 pm
I like the upper glow, but I prefer the black bottom. The upper glow fits with the marquee, but it almost seems to break up the bottom.

Regardless, love the fact youíre making this your own.

Cheers Yots, always appreciate the input.  I go back and forth on the bottom, seems to highlight the curve better, dunno.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 24, 2018, 12:13:18 pm
Just finished a full writeup (tutorial) of the rotating monitor in case anyone wanted to see the details:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html)

Redid the back plate as I wanted to add a bearing to the shaft:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366066;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on February 26, 2018, 09:10:43 am
Big fan of all the fun stuff you are doing - thanks for the pics!
I didn't play the Tron game..  I have to figure out what the discs are all about  ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on February 26, 2018, 12:01:18 pm
Loving that new design.  Let's see some sawdust.   ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bad_boo on February 26, 2018, 12:11:51 pm
omg!! that is so cool.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 27, 2018, 11:01:12 am
Big fan of all the fun stuff you are doing - thanks for the pics!
I didn't play the Tron game..  I have to figure out what the discs are all about  ;)

It's only the coolest game ever!  Discs of Tron was a pretty unique game it had a two way mirror for the display, and a TV below that displayed the video game.  The two way mirror allowed the background graphics (which was detailed artwork that a video game couldn't have produced at the time) to act as a backdrop for the "arena" where the characters moved around.  You have to see one in real life to really get it, but it was pretty awesome.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366139;image)


Loving that new design.  Let's see some sawdust.   ;D

I know right?  Definitely getting the itch to get going, but the idea you gave me requires a little more research, I've been in contact with a near by vendor to test this out.  Once I know if it will work then I can finalize the design (currently working on the control panel), and get started.

omg!! that is so cool.

Itís not as hard as it looks, just takes some time and patience.  Itís pretty cool in person when you get it going.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on March 10, 2018, 08:51:47 pm
This could prove interesting:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366318;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on March 11, 2018, 12:51:40 pm
This could prove interesting:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366318;image)

That looks cool.  For the glow in the corners?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on March 11, 2018, 01:28:13 pm
That looks cool.  For the glow in the corners?

Yup.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on March 31, 2018, 08:39:07 am
What little bit of experimenting and testing are you working on now?  Since ..you know... full scale construction hasn't started.   ::)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on March 31, 2018, 01:19:34 pm
What little bit of experimenting and testing are you working on now?  Since ..you know... full scale construction hasn't started.   ::)

Hehe, great choice of words. 

I'm trying to prove out a number of things I've got in my head, hadn't had anything too interesting to post yet, but here's a preview:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366658;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366660;image)

Marquee in action:

https://youtu.be/zfl0rXXT_Ho (https://youtu.be/zfl0rXXT_Ho)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on March 31, 2018, 01:46:32 pm

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366658;image)


Okay I like that!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 01, 2018, 06:15:22 pm
Okay I like that!

Cut from the same cloth wp34.


So I decided it was time to get my hands dirty.  I did a quick SketchUp of a simple control panel box so that I could practice wood working, laminating, drilling, and the plans I have for a lit control panel.  I have virtually zero woodworking experience so I thought it would be helpful to post what I've learned in the same thread as I would have liked it when I was doing my research.

Sketchup:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366675;image)

First thing was build the box, simple right? Yeah no, not at all, this -steaming pile of meadow muffin- is hard.

First attempt:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366677;image)

Note the splintering near the bottom.  This can be minimized by making sure your saw blade is only just high enough to clear the top of your wood surface.  When you have the table saw teeth too high you get a lot more of this.  Also cutting across the grain like in the front panel on the picture is more likely to have this effect then cutting with the grain.

Side shot:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366679;image)

I wanted to practice beveling corners.  So I picked up a 1/2Ē round over bit to practice.  (Side note, donít do what Iíd did and buy a 1/4Ē collett router, buy the 1/2Ē, gives you more flexibility to  use 1/4Ē and 1/2Ē bits).  Made the mistake of cutting the sides before doing the rounding, this made it next to impossible to cut the round over due to the short length.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366689;image)

So, I had to redo the front and back plates by first rounding over the sides:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366691;image)

Once that was done it was a lot easier to cut the front and back parts to size:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366693;image)

I wanted to practice getting an angle on the box as thatís my plan for my control panel.  The  front and back pieces are easier as you just set the table saw to angle (8 degrees in my case).  The sides are a bit harder as you need to use a miter (mine came with one as do most I think):
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41JygUXow8L.jpg)


You feed you piece at an angle and keep the table saw straight.


When cutting angles you have to know what the highest and lowest point of the cut will be.  SketchUp really helped for me on this, however just using the closest connecting piece to the angle will also work.

Hereís where Iím at:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366695;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=366697;image)

Thatís two days of work and Iím obviously far from finished.  If Iíd have seen this post before trying this out Iíd have thought, ok, itís a box, no big deal.  As many in here have said, itís a lot harder than it looks, but also incredibly satisfying when it fits together.

Wonít be able to tackle more for a couple of weeks. But looking forward to continuing, as bringing this off the computer is very exciting
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: yotsuya on April 01, 2018, 07:25:58 pm
Looks good. Iíd use pocket holes and glue to eliminate that bracing. Looks thick and heavy.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on April 01, 2018, 11:19:12 pm
Good call doing some R&D first.  I did the same with my first build.  Plus woodwork is the best part of a build.    :cheers:

I agree with Yots about pocket holes.  Once you go Kreg you never go back. 
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: monkeydlenny on April 01, 2018, 11:40:54 pm
Definitely gonna keep my eye on this project. it's looking AMAZING even in the early stages  :notworthy:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on April 02, 2018, 08:27:12 am
Kreg jig and pocket holes will work great for this type of joinery.  They have a large assortment of jibs..  I use the Mini 99% of the time..  it costs $14

If your plywood is splintering on the table saw - you should get a zero clearance insert.  It comes blank and you raise the blade through it.  That way as the blade cuts downward, the insert supports the cross grain and prevents tear out.

It appears you used the router table with the fence closed? and put the wood in between the fence and the bit?  (hopefully not)
Do not use the router table that way - open the fence and adjust so that the bearing is flush with the front of the fence.  The you can put the piece through right to left.  The bit should be half hidden inside..  Much safer, less likely to throw the part..  and you can now use a block to support the piece vertically and slide it along the fence with the work piece.  The bit will not be in the way..  Hope this make sense.

Once you get to the real control panel... get cabinet grade plywood if you can..  It is far superior to the stuff you are using..  super flat and stiff..
Keep up the testing!!  Good post.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 02, 2018, 02:00:33 pm
Looks good. Iíd use pocket holes and glue to eliminate that bracing. Looks thick and heavy.

Iíd been handed one of those by my coworker and the thought hadnít even occurred to me.  Iíll definitely go that route based on everyoneís recommendations for this box. 

I was using these 3/4Ē battens as practice as I was planning on using them in the body of the cab.  Is that still overkill in that application?

I agree with Yots about pocket holes.  Once you go Kreg you never go back.

Sounds like a unanimous chorus.  Iíll do that.

Definitely gonna keep my eye on this project. it's looking AMAZING even in the early stages  :notworthy:

Thanks but as Iíve mentioned to some others Iíll bank any praise once I can get this thing actually built.  Good luck on your  DK project.

Kreg jig and pocket holes will work great for this type of joinery.  They have a large assortment of jibs..  I use the Mini 99% of the time..  it costs $14

If your plywood is splintering on the table saw - you should get a zero clearance insert.  It comes blank and you raise the blade through it.  That way as the blade cuts downward, the insert supports the cross grain and prevents tear out.

Good to know, thanks!
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It appears you used the router table with the fence closed? and put the wood in between the fence and the bit?  (hopefully not)

Uhhhh...nooo?    Yes, thatís exactly what I did😋.
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Do not use the router table that way - open the fence and adjust so that the bearing is flush with the front of the fence.  The you can put the piece through right to left.  The bit should be half hidden inside..  Much safer, less likely to throw the part..  and you can now use a block to support the piece vertically and slide it along the fence with the work piece.  The bit will not be in the way..  Hope this make sense.
Took a minute after reading this but now I understand what you mean.  Thought hadnít occurred to me that you could split the fence like that, and yes I had to hold tight on the part to make sure it didnít leap from my hands (probably should have figured that was a sign of a problem🧐).  Lesson number two:  If it takes a lot of force to do, Iím probably doing it wrong.

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Once you get to the real control panel... get cabinet grade plywood if you can..  It is far superior to the stuff you are using..  super flat and stiff..
Keep up the testing!!  Good post.

Thanks again, yes this was a quick dry run, I was eyeing what appeared to be better stuff at the Depot.

Landed in Japan late last night, itís 3am here and jet lag sucks.  Iím already scheming the bribes it will take to make it down to Kyoto and visit Nintendo.  Definitely post some picks if I can make it happen.

Also couldnít pass this up....they have real life Mario cart on the streets of Tokyo, no joke:
(https://i.amz.mshcdn.com/usLdZT0sYM3Je47qf_JYPpaFsus=/950x534/filters:quality(90)/2015%2F02%2F06%2Fb8%2F459068692_1.c8351.jpg)

YOUTUBE video:
https://youtu.be/hJSFh5yeNjo (https://youtu.be/hJSFh5yeNjo)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: DaOld Man on April 25, 2018, 10:19:55 am
Project is looking good!
Get them taxes done? LOL
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: stigzler on April 25, 2018, 01:02:19 pm
Notice of Health and Safety Violation

Sod's law dictates:

(http://www.niftymonkey.uk/HPServerPublic/Forums/BYOAC/toe.png)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 26, 2018, 12:07:32 am
Project is looking good!
Get them taxes done? LOL

Heh, good one.  I wasn't able to get much done last weekend (so much time spent learning how to use equipment properly), practiced some pocket holes:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367199;image)

and gluing and screwing.  Also cut the plastic pieces to fit the top:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367195;image)

Next is figuring out postforming laminate around a 1/2" curve.  I've been having a helluva time trying to buy the right contact cement.  Apparently California has implemented some tuff VOC standards, and you can't buy traditional contact cement.  From what I can tell they won't even ship it into the state.  I got a hold of the folks at Formica and they directed me to the people that make their cement a company called Choice Brands (nice and generic).  The guy in the lab "Jerry" was awesome and explained more to me about contact cement than I'd ever hope to know.  He pointed me to Formica F-270 which I can get up here in Northern CA, so going to order that stuff.

Still have a lot of research going on, and I'm stubborn about asking for help. ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 26, 2018, 12:08:19 am
Notice of Health and Safety Violation

Sod's law dictates:


Flipflop's with a beer in hand, it's the only way to build.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: jennifer on April 26, 2018, 11:49:43 am
That VOC thing seems to have been issue, with paint, and ink  too, (and the recycled water thing in the sceenprint industry, gets so stinky it drives customers away) apparently not all counties are the same however and you may possibly get it elsewhere relatively close.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 21, 2018, 01:16:31 am
Finally got some time to get something done.

For the newbs like myself I thought it might be helpful to continue documenting what I've learned, so.......

Pocket joints as mentioned above, they are made with the Kreg Jig:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367928;image)

Holes look like this:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367930;image)

Drill slowly on both the pocket hole, AND when you drill the pilot hole for the screw or else you can get some of the head of the screw sticking out:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367932;image)

You can use a Dremel to take it down so not the end of the world.  They also sell pocket hole fillers, but for me I will just be using wood filler to smooth it out until I can get the laminate over it.

Next I figured I would just use European hinges to have the lid open as it was what I was planning on doing with the main control panel......so yeah I'm really glad I'm practicing.  You can use these hinges if you don't have an overhang on your lid.  It will work if the lid is either flush or inset from the edge of the box, so big fail:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367934;image)

In doing research I came across these:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367936;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367938;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367940;image)

They are Soss hinges and they are pretty fantastic.  I really wanted a hinges that was invisible from the outside, and I like these even better than the European Hinge.  They wouldn't normally be that difficult to install, however because my box is on a slope it made it challenging.
Thankfully they come with a handy template:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367942;image)

Guy at the local Rockler store gave me the "Pro Tip" of first drilling a small pilot hole and put in some brad nails, then use a Dremel to cut the tops off:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367944;image)

This is so you can make an imprint on the lid and have a perfect alignment.  Sounded pretty good but I almost got caught losing the brad nail in the wood from pressing the lid on.  Barely fished them out with the needle nose.

ANWAY, I marked off the positions of the shallow and deeper holes you need to cut for this to fit:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367946;image)


Because the lid was on a slope I couldn't use the fence on the router table, but I did realize that if I put the whole box together it would form a smooth surface to slide back and forth.  I ligned up the marks with the center of a 3/8" straight router bit (this a requirement for the proper holes).  I used wood blocks to prevent over cutting left and right and a block in the back for depth.  I did have a helluva time figuring out the depth to the fence because as I mentioned the slope created a gap between the fence and where I needed to route.  That meant I had to offset the distance:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367948;image)

You have to make two passes, one for the shallow depth and one for the deeper part of the mount in the center:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367950;image)

I was doing shallow first then deeper, however in retrospect I would reverse that, because you can overshoot your depth on the deep hole, but you need to be accurate on the shallow hole depth so it lines up correctly. 

Cue the better outcome of the two:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367952;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367954;image)

You can see how far this swings out, in fact if you don't have too much of an overhang you could get 180 degrees.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367956;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=367958;image)

I'm definitely digging these a lot.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on May 21, 2018, 09:07:40 am
That's a pretty cool looking hinge.  Nice routing work too.   :cheers: 

Welcome to the pocket hole club.  No more gluing.   ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 21, 2018, 10:52:18 pm
That's a pretty cool looking hinge.  Nice routing work too.   :cheers: 

Welcome to the pocket hole club.  No more gluing.   ;D

Still needs some work, and I think Iíve got a better way to route that inset (itís a little to close to the edge).  Those things are shockingly strong, definitely the wood would fail before the hinge.

Pocket holes are smurfin awesome, simple, quick and consistent.  That was good advice from the three of you.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on June 07, 2018, 08:37:27 am
Is this project still alive?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 07, 2018, 07:05:34 pm
 
Is this project still alive?

Awww Mike didnít know you cared, being an LCD, LED build an all. ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on June 08, 2018, 07:32:18 am
Once someone makes their mind up about that (CRT) I am trying to back off. I want to see people finish their builds, as long as it isn't one like that wall hanging turd machine that was posted recently.

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 08:30:23 am
Once someone makes their mind up about that (CRT) I am trying to back off. I want to see people finish their builds, as long as it isn't one like that wall hanging turd machine that was posted recently.

Heh, just kidding with ya.  I like your passion for the CRT, if I can get to build number two thatís actually the plan.  To answer your question, no, builds definitely not dead, and I will finish no matter what.  Iím stuck in apartment land and every time I want to build I have to pack up 3 bags worth of stuff and drive 10 miles to a buddies place where my equipment is to get anything done.  Made some progress the other week but also some mistakes and was going to post after I got more done.  Itís actually been good because itís forced me to finalize the design in SketchUp and figure out the details of building.  For now hereís a sneak peek:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180608/24bb9c75561217b76287621522ae11a9.heic)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180608/991b261af85913f9a1cc511c195f874c.png)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on June 08, 2018, 08:33:05 am
Glad to hear the project is not dead.

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I like your passion for the CRT, if I can get to build number two thatís actually the plan.

I can only plant the seed and hope it grows.

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on June 08, 2018, 08:36:59 am
Nice Sketchup work  :)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 09:11:19 am
Nice Sketchup work  :)

My 7th grade woodshop teacher is laughing at me in my dreams: ĒTold ya you should have paid attentionĒ
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on June 08, 2018, 09:18:15 am
I don't really use the materials like you did - except for the glass - that one is pretty cool.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 09:33:33 am
I don't really use the materials like you did - except for the glass - that one is pretty cool.

Iím a Californian, image is everything

Wouldnít have the confidence to start if I didnít model everything out.  Iím impressed by the people that just build the sides and front and figure out the rest on the fly.  That takes some balls.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on June 08, 2018, 09:36:53 am
oh - I put in every detail - I just didn't break out the crayon's and color it in..  mine is pretty much black&white..  :P
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 09:48:15 am
oh - I put in every detail - I just didn't break out the crayon's and color it in..  mine is pretty much black&white..  :P

No doubt, Iíve seen others that are just able to build, (Iím looking at you Maximus), and I donít know how they do it.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on June 08, 2018, 09:52:56 am
Wouldnít have the confidence to start if I didnít model everything out.  Iím impressed by the people that just build the sides and front and figure out the rest on the fly.  That takes some cojones.

Wait, I'm supposed to have a plan???   ;D

Your cab looks like it will be really cool.  I love the rotating monitor - always wanted to try but not sure I have the skills.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 10:06:42 am
Wait, I'm supposed to have a plan???   ;D

Yeah you too javeryh, stop making it look so easy, at least post some sweat pics.

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Your cab looks like it will be really cool.  I love the rotating monitor - always wanted to try but not sure I have the skills.

Posted a tutorial:
 http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,156671.0.html)

Sweet theater room by the way, thatís also in the works if we can ever buy a house in this damn insane real estate market here:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180608/971cfed904c7b9c9cb680e348cb59f75.png)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on June 08, 2018, 11:06:34 am
Thanks man - the theater took a part of my soul.  Where are you located?  Real estate is absolutely nuts around me too.  Believe it or not, my theater is in the basement of a very tiny house so I'm proof that you don't need much room.  Part of the fun is seeing people's reaction because from the outside it looks impossible for something like that to exist.  My entire lot is only 50' x 120' (0.14 acres) and the footprint of the house when we bought back in 2004 was 22'x25'.  I know people with living rooms bigger than that!  We have since expanded by adding about 12' to the back of the house which made all the difference in the world but even still it is barely big enough for the whole family.  That said, I'm pretty sure I could get close to $1M if I tried to sell it based on my proximity to NYC (and a train station), which is just insane for the little amount of house you'd get.  I'm never selling though so it doesn't matter. 

By the way, that is a sick tutorial - makes me think I could actually pull it off!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 11:40:09 am
Thanks man - the theater took a part of my soul.  Where are you located? 

Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.

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Believe it or not, my theater is in the basement of a very tiny house so I'm proof that you don't need much room.  Part of the fun is seeing people's reaction because from the outside it looks impossible for something like that to exist.  My entire lot is only 50' x 120' (0.14 acres) and the footprint of the house when we bought back in 2004 was 22'x25'.  I know people with living rooms bigger than that! 

Wow....just wow.

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By the way, that is a sick tutorial - makes me think I could actually pull it off!  :cheers:

DaOldMan made me do it.

If I can do it anyone can.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: opt2not on June 08, 2018, 01:20:52 pm
Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.
This is one of the reasons I left SF aside from the brutal commute, and the cut-throaty ladder-climbing people. The cost of living is just out-of-control, and I was working at Apple at the time, so the money I was making was really good. But unfortunately the price to live there negated any chance of saving for a home.

Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 01:25:42 pm
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: opt2not on June 08, 2018, 01:49:06 pm
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 02:08:24 pm
If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Iíll make it happen, be on the lookout.  If not before, then maybe at Zapcon 2019
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on June 08, 2018, 03:33:40 pm
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Sounds like the bay area is a lot like NYC.  I took a 40% cut a few years ago to get out of the long commute and hyper competitive environment I was in and have never been happier.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: opt2not on June 08, 2018, 04:44:08 pm
Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.  :lol  The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!

No Robotron lessons then?  Shouldíve called you sooner, thatís a bummer.
Yeah, sorry bro :(
We had to get out of there. I was miserable at work, my commute was 3 hours a day, and with no prospect of being able to get ahead financially it just didn't make sense to stay in that area.  Plus SF is not very family friendly, it's more of a city for yuppies or DINK (Dual income no kids) couples.  Quality of life is definitely better for us down here.

If you're ever down in Orange County, I'd be happy to give you some Robotron lessons :)

Sounds like the bay area is a lot like NYC.  I took a 40% cut a few years ago to get out of the long commute and hyper competitive environment I was in and have never been happier.
Yeah, it's actually not that different from what I heard. Our neighbours in SF were from NYC, and they love living in the Bay Area. But they're a rich Jewish couple, Capital Investment type folks, so for them it's no burden to live there.

Glad to see another person choosing Quality of Life over commutes and high paying salaries. Life's too short to waste time on commuting back and forth between home and a high-stress job.  Now I use that 3 hours I gained back (since I live 5 mins away from my work now) to work on projects, art, and spend time with family.   Next will be -- buy a house, eventually, get some workshop space, then finish my Alpha One project.

Sorry to derail your thread, Arroyo.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 08, 2018, 04:55:33 pm
Sorry to derail your thread, Arroyo.

I brought it up, and itís a huge topic of interest at my house.  Glad to see others are figuring out that quality of life trumps all, just wish we could have kept you in the Bay.  You are the only one I knew in the area on these boards.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: luizw81 on June 08, 2018, 06:18:07 pm
Too close to the crazies in San Francisco/Silicon Valley.  People are dropping their souls and every stock option they have to buy a house, itís insane.  Iíve seen almost $2,000/ft in some areas.
This is one of the reasons I left SF aside from the brutal commute, and the cut-throaty ladder-climbing people. The cost of living is just out-of-control, and I was working at Apple at the time, so the money I was making was really good. But unfortunately the price to live there negated any chance of saving for a home.

Now I live in Southern Cali, took a 40% paycut and now am actually able to save money each month.    The Bay Area sucks!

Glad to see some updates, Arroyo!
Home prices are one of the reasons I turned down a lucrative offer to move to SF.  I live just outside of Raleigh,NC; bought 1.5 acres and built a 2,300sq ft home for  $200,000 a few years back.

Glad this build is still active.  I'm really looking forward to how it turns out.

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Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 04, 2018, 10:45:05 pm
In contract to purchase a home, this project should get back on track in August.  Looking forward to having my own shop.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 06, 2018, 05:08:55 pm
I'm in the valley and we are getting a ton of Bay Area transplants.  It's starting to make our home prices rise as well.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 06, 2018, 07:17:28 pm
I'm in the valley and we are getting a ton of Bay Area transplants.  It's starting to make our home prices rise as well.

Central or San Fernando?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 07, 2018, 11:51:48 pm
North Valley, near Sacramento.  A lot of money coming in from the bay.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2018, 12:19:07 am
North Valley, near Sacramento.  A lot of money coming in from the bay.

Get out, Iím a Davis kid.  Good to know thereís another Northern CA poster on these boards.  Love the tokenization on your build by the way.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 08, 2018, 01:38:29 pm
Thanks!  Davis?  I went to undergrad there!  Lived there about 5 years.  Not much to do, but I had some fun times.  The valley kind of sucks, but it's a good launch pad to go everywhere else.  Cheap cost of living and then we go somewhere else every weekend.   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2018, 07:00:12 pm
Thanks!  Davis?  I went to undergrad there!  Lived there about 5 years.  Not much to do, but I had some fun times.  The valley kind of sucks, but it's a good launch pad to go everywhere else.  Cheap cost of living and then we go somewhere else every weekend.   :laugh:

I think about that every time we try to schlep the kids to Tahoe.   :angry:

Valley is awesome, good quality of life, if there were more jobs Iíd probably have gone back.

If you ever haul that machine to a local place let me know Iíd love to check it out.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 10, 2018, 11:55:11 am
I went back through the first pages of your project.  Kudos, you've got some ambitious electronics in this one!  I'm glad someone is keeping the rotating monitor alive.  I wanted to try one but simply did not have the room for it.  Your servo bracket looks really sharp.  That's a nice looking servo there; I like the Pololu servo controllers too, great company with great customer support.  Can't wait to see it in action.

For the discs, if they're single color, you might just hard wire or to a simple switch since LEDBlinky would only be blinking them off and on.  Save a little complexity?  :dunno
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 10, 2018, 04:49:09 pm
For the discs, if they're single color, you might just hard wire or to a simple switch since LEDBlinky would only be blinking them off and on.  Save a little complexity?  :dunno

Yup, good catch.  I did the part about the transistor without realizing that the iPac Ultimate can handle a 12V supply (duh!).  So now the plan is to use that for both the discs and the Tron stick UV lighting to ride the 12V rail as the LED strips I could find for UV lighting and for the correct color of white weíre all 12V.  This of course assumes the draw on the strips wonít exceed the 1amp makes on the I/O board.....
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 11, 2018, 01:55:01 am
Are you talking about those two auxiliary-like ports it has?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 11, 2018, 08:21:14 am
Are you talking about those two auxiliary-like ports it has?

The upper right hand corner:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=369169;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on July 11, 2018, 04:45:24 pm
OK, yeah, that's what I thought you were referring to.  My recollection could be off, but that port might be a little bit "experimental".  If you haven't already, look into it.  I'll try to find if I had older posts about it (vs email exchanges).  I know I had a weird issue of color blending on some of the other regular ports and it was solved by disabling the high current output...
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on July 11, 2018, 06:04:08 pm
OK, yeah, that's what I thought you were referring to.  My recollection could be off, but that port might be a little bit "experimental".  If you haven't already, look into it.  I'll try to find if I had older posts about it (vs email exchanges).  I know I had a weird issue of color blending on some of the other regular ports and it was solved by disabling the high current output...


Ah good to know.  Iíll have to dig into that a little deeper when the time comes.  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on September 19, 2018, 12:56:31 am
Back in the Saddle.  After setting up caution tape "dads only" around the garage I've finally been able to setup shop.  Still working on the control panel as a test case for learning.  Last post I was working on the control panel top:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371313;image)

I thought I could cutout the layers of Acrylic, polycarbonate and plywood, AND graphics all in one goÖÖcause yeah my egos that big.


Thought it would be pretty smart to put the actual graphics under the plastic and mark off the center and then drill all layers together:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371271;image)


Graphics started to peel up because the Acrylic which I had underneath the Polycarbonate started to bunch up:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371273;image)


Big fail all around.  What I learned was Polycarbonate cuts very similarly to wood with a forstner bit (see above).  It has a soft easy going feel.  Acrylic on the other hand being more brittle tends to clump together when drilling with a Forstner, ESPECIALLY since I had it layered between the wood and Polycarbonate.  I think the heat of friction caused the Acrylic to melt rather then cut smooth.  What happened was the edges of the holes actually fused with the cut away material, and when I tried to take it off it was stuck.  Had to kind of chip away at it which then starts to take some unintended material with it.  ALSO because I was eye balling the center with the cuts I actually got off center and caused my hole alignments to be off just a little.  MY salvation was I wasnít cutting with 1 1/8Ē just 1Ē bit so I had some play.


Fast forward to this month and I decided to take a different approach that worked (thanks Krangbrain):
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371275;image)


Took a print out from the Sketchup file from the control panel and cut out the centers of the holes with sharp scissors.  Taped that over my plywood to get it as well aligned as possible despite my previous errors.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371277;image)


Cut out a 1 1/8Ē hole in a piece of scrap using the drill press and forester bit for a nice perpendicular cut.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371279;image)


Laid the scrap with accurate hole cut over the top piece and used the black outline from the print out to align the hole (see tiny black outline above).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371281;image)


Attached the flush trim bit on the router using the forester cut hole in the scrap as a guide, and cut out each of the button and joystick holes:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371283;image)


Needed to round the edges, so I used the sides of the box as a guide and bottom mounted flush trim bit with the router:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371285;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371287;image)


Around this time I realized how dissatisfied I was with the quality of the plywood i had on the top, and decided to buy some sanded 1/2Ē Birch from Home Depot.  Used the previously cut top as a guide for the holes and recut the hinge rebates:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371289;image)


Much cleaner result (upper right hand two holes still suffer from my mistake when I tried to cut everything in one go and got slightly off alignment).


Next was my Joystick solution.  Iíve had a hell of a time committing to a single stick, so I figured I wouldnít:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371291;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371293;image)


Figured I would mount a universal mounting plate (Paradise Arcade shop:https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/hardware/mounting-plates/paradise-universal-plates/1279_universal-ms-pac-arcade-joystick-adapter-plate (https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/hardware/mounting-plates/paradise-universal-plates/1279_universal-ms-pac-arcade-joystick-adapter-plate)) and it was important to me that it be top mounted as I wanted the Japanese sticks to be close to the surface so that they would be at the proper height without having to buy longer shafts.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371295;image)


I also wanted the plate to fit snug with the wood so I built a template as a guide for the router.  Here Iím using a universal router bushing so that the bit can follow the template (bronze thing in the middle).  It is kinda wonky and other routers have better sturdier solutions.  I learned to adapt to mine but its fragile.  Before cutting I measured off the center on the pencil outline of the wood and marked the middle on all 4 sides, also did this with the template so that I knew exactly where the template should be aligned so that the center of the mounting plate wouldnít drift.  Worked really well (see below).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371297;image)


After the 1/16Ē rebate, check to make sure it fits snug.  Then cut out the rest for the joystick housing:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371299;image)


Again used the router with flush trim bit and top bering.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371301;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371303;image)


Probably overkill, but I like that its snug enough to turn upside down without screws.


Il Eurostick:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371305;image)


Sanwa JLF:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371307;image)


Couldnít quite fit the WICO cause of the leaf housing hitting the sides of the box:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371309;image)


AND finally Nintendo stick:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371311;image)


More to comeÖÖÖ
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on September 19, 2018, 05:51:05 am
Good learning process. You identified a problem and fixed it instead of hacking your way through it.

It looks like you might be feeding the router too slowly or your router speed is too fast for your bit. My guess would be slow feed. It looks like there are scorch marks where your routed around the outside of the CP. Cosmetically it is not that big a deal if it will be covered anyway. But it can prematurely wear out your bit.

Also. Polycarbonate is stronger than acrylic, but it scratches much easier, and acrylic already scratches easily enough.

Where are you located? In the future I could laser cut an acrylic panel that size really easily for you. It leaves a nice polished edge.

I like the idea of using the universal joystick mount if you are not married to one particular stick.

I am just rambling now. I am waiting for a report to run so I had a few minuted to kill.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on September 19, 2018, 06:52:16 am
Nice to see you back at it!
I noticed your router bit 'looks' a bit beat up too.. wipe it with a solvent to get and glue/crud off of it at minimum and inspect the edge.
My personal favorite router bit brand is Whiteside.  They make spiral bits that cut soooooo clean.  But should only be used for that last thin clean cut.  Not heavy removal.  Ohh  and they cost a fortune.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on September 19, 2018, 07:06:50 am
Good advice. That bperkins01 guy knows his stuff. He also works cleaner than I do. My workflow is too chaotic. It is funny because I am meticulous at work.

A clean router bit is a happy router bit. A few light passes over a sharpening stone after the cleaning could help too.

While I have your attention bperkins01, I clicked on your pontoon rebuild and the link is broken. My brother has a derelict pontoon boat. I was looking for inspiration. Is there another way to get at your rebuild log?

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on September 19, 2018, 07:17:07 am
For once its not me! 
It looks like Shutterfly is down.. it will work later..
https://pontoonrehab.shutterfly.com/ (https://pontoonrehab.shutterfly.com/)
Should work..  The site is mostly a picture book..  not a detailed step by step..  but you will see

Pontoon boats are Soooooooooo Simple to redo - you only need time and $$
Its just a plywood deck on an aluminum frame.  The boat is either 8' wide or 8'6" wide  - then whatever length..   
https://www.pontoonstuff.com/ (https://www.pontoonstuff.com/)  <-- these guys have pretty much everything you need.
I know WAY more about boat and Woodworking than I do about video games..  feel free to ask me anything

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on September 19, 2018, 07:22:37 am
Thanks I appreciate that.  My brother is "storing" the pontoon behind my barn. It is shrink wrapped, but it has been sitting for years. It is all stripped down. I want to try to motivate him to finish it or get rid of it.

I will keep further boat related requests out of Arroyo's thread.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on September 19, 2018, 07:34:21 am
Arroyo - I think you will love those buttons btw.  Just enough color w/o being overpowering..  Its helped us quite a bit with LEDBlinky announcing the controls and setting colors on the active buttons.  You may get more bleed through the sides into your acrylic though..  Might want to test for that.  Maybe wrap the threads just under the top edge with black tape or something.  Keep at it!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on September 19, 2018, 10:11:53 am
Glad to see you are back at it Arroyo.  I love this build.   :cheers:

My personal favorite router bit brand is Whiteside.  They make spiral bits that cut soooooo clean.  But should only be used for that last thin clean cut.  Not heavy removal.  Ohh  and they cost a fortune.


+1 on the Whiteside spiral bit.  It makes cutting plastic so easy and consistent.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on September 19, 2018, 01:11:36 pm
It looks like you might be feeding the router too slowly or your router speed is too fast for your bit. My guess would be slow feed. It looks like there are scorch marks where your routed around the outside of the CP. Cosmetically it is not that big a deal if it will be covered anyway. But it can prematurely wear out your bit.
Yup, Iíve noticed that, I think it has to do with using the bit to make initial cuts, rather than reserving it for final trimming.  Could also be that Iím not moving the material fast enoughÖ..dunno, gonna have to experiment more.
Also. Polycarbonate is stronger than acrylic, but it scratches much easier, and acrylic already scratches easily enough.
Yup, Iím actually using 3/16Ē scratch or ďMarĒ resistant Acrylic on the CP surface for its scratch resistance, and the 1/8Ē polycarb will be underneath.  It will probably make more sense as I go alongÖ..knock on wood.
Where are you located? In the future I could laser cut an acrylic panel that size really easily for you. It leaves a nice polished edge.
California Ė Bay Area Ė That would be cool, machine panel might be a bit wide and long, if memory serves you have a 12Ē wide but infinite length bed, or maybe that was your CNC machine?

I noticed your router bit 'looks' a bit beat up too.. wipe it with a solvent to get and glue/crud off of it at minimum and inspect the edge.
My personal favorite router bit brand is Whiteside.  They make spiral bits that cut soooooo clean.  But should only be used for that last thin clean cut.  Not heavy removal.  Ohh  and they cost a fortune.
Good to know, any recommendations on solvent to use, and is it a simple hand wipe, or something that involves the bit spinning?  Good to know on the Whiteside.
Arroyo - I think you will love those buttons btw.  You may get more bleed through the sides into your acrylic though..  Might want to test for that.  Maybe wrap the threads just under the top edge with black tape or something.  Keep at it!
Yup thatís the plan, use some black vinyl wrap for the buttons near the head.   

Glad to see you are back at it Arroyo.  I love this build.   :cheers:
Always good to hear from you WP34. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on September 19, 2018, 10:18:52 pm
Acetone and a rag..  Certainly not spinning!
Some routers have RPM control - slower speed on acrylic may help...
One of the best ways to judge a cut is more by sound than feel - once you get it cutting right (wood or plastic) - listen to the sound..  if you are going too fast or too slow.. you can often hear it..

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: JudgeRob on September 21, 2018, 01:41:50 am
Will you be able to swap the joysticks out once the art is on the CP?

Nice looking mockup BTW.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on September 21, 2018, 08:06:20 am
Acetone and a rag..  Certainly not spinning!
Some routers have RPM control - slower speed on acrylic may help...
One of the best ways to judge a cut is more by sound than feel - once you get it cutting right (wood or plastic) - listen to the sound..  if you are going too fast or too slow.. you can often hear it..

:cheers:  thanks bud.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on September 21, 2018, 08:08:56 am
Will you be able to swap the joysticks out once the art is on the CP?

Nice looking mockup BTW.

Yup, that was part of this test case.  Originally was going to either epoxy or weld the screws in place, but after running these tests might not have to.  Thereís one grouping of holes in the universal mounting plate that works for all sticks except the Nintendo (thereís a solution for it that Iíll explain later in the build) if you want to use the stock mounting plates for all sticks.  If you are willing to swap out the stock Japanese mounting plates for these:
https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/hardware/mounting-plates/paradise-universal-plates/1175_universal-arcade-joystick-adapter-plate (https://paradisearcadeshop.com/home/hardware/mounting-plates/paradise-universal-plates/1175_universal-arcade-joystick-adapter-plate)

then thereís another grouping of slots that work even better (Happ/IL).

Hereís a picture of the Sanwa JLF with the stock plate swapped out for the universal one for reference:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180921/d442617178c38260d8e9402163c5d026.jpg)

And the IL:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180921/c4e5e57d0b91e98970782401bfa809cd.jpg)


EDIT:  Found a picture that'd I'd taken that explains a little better:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371352;image)

That's the smaller universal mounting plate, with a Sanwa JLF behind it, with Seimitsu LS-32 behind that, and the at the bottom is an IL housing.  The red circle highlights represent the holes that will work with all of the joysticks "out of the box".  The Green square highlights represent where I think a better place to mount the screws assuming you swap the stock mounting plates on the Japanese sticks with the universal one above.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on October 01, 2018, 01:14:12 am
Moving alongÖ.

Took Yotsuyaís recommendation on another build log and bought some Elmers wood filler for the pocket joint holes:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371596;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371598;image)

Worked well as far as I could tell.  Trick I learned was to NOT try and make it perfectly smooth and flush with the surface.  You actually want to leave a little padding and then sand down.

Next was my plan to wrap laminate around the box.  I bought Wilson Art Matte Black Vertical grade laminate (1595-60).  One of the hardest parts was figuring how to get one sheet out of the box:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371600;image)

Had come across Szaboís arcades tutorial on installing:
https://youtu.be/7mfy9D5KcDo (https://youtu.be/7mfy9D5KcDo)
very good walkthrough.   I took his advice and bought this guy at Loweís:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371602;image)

With a straight edge and a few passes you get nice clean cuts:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371604;image)

Had read numerous places that laminate does not like to bend, and is prone to cracking or snapping as its quite brittle, but had to give it a go.  Spoke with the manufacturer, and the maximum radius that it can do WHEN HEATED is 3/8Ē.  I was attempting to do 1/2Ē so I knew it was going to be tough.

Put some aluminum foil on the outside to prevent the heat gun (Home Depot) from melting the plastic exterior, but could still transfer the heat well.  I was actually surprised with how it faired:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371606;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371608;image)

Couldnít quite pull it off and gave up after 3 attempts.  Two problems are overheating which separates the plastic from the paper backing like this (bubbles in the corner):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371610;image)

And cracking the exterior if the plastic isnít heated up enough.  You could probably pull it off if you had A LOT of patienceÖ..which I obviously did not.  Still managed to get a good bend going, and was surprised at how far the material will bend even without heating.  Iíd venture to say that if you are in the 1.5Ē radius neighborhood you should be fine even without heating.  I would recommend NOT putting the contact cement down until you know you can make the curve first!

So moved on to painting instead.  Was lucky enough to have OND post his tutorial (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158178.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,158178.0.html)), which I followed as close as possible (thanks OND!).  As his advice stated, I went to a local automotive paint store (Finish Masters), and showed them the pics of the cans he uses, and they knew exactly what I was looking for.  As usual though I canít get the ďreal good stuffĒ being a California Bay Area resident with all of the crazy health laws.  Anyway hereís what I bought:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371612;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371614;image)

Wasnít looking for a high gloss shine, so skipped any finishing spray.

Primed:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371618;image)

Tried to put some Bondo to fill gaps and smooth out grain lines.  First go went ok I think, but on the second go I didnít put as much of the hardening agent as I thought it would help with preventing it from drying too fast.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371616;image)


Not enough hardening agent=sticky Bondo that never gets that hardness that you are looking for.  I tried to sand it off but it mostly just gobs up on the sand paper.  This was mistake number three, along with buying cheap plywood, and not sanding the exterior as much as I should have. 

Anyway, turned out pretty good in the end:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371634;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371620;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371622;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371624;image)

Couldnít help but drill out the USB slot (forstner):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371626;image)

Made the mistake of not checking to make sure that drill bits could be swapped out without touching the clamps holding the piece down, and had to adjust to swap out bits.  So not a perfectly snug fit like it could have been but good enough:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371630;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371628;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=371632;image)


Next is waiting for some parts to come in to tackle power, slot cutting, and the lighting system before putting the graphics onÖ.should be interesting.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Ond on October 03, 2018, 09:03:57 am
I'm glad to see you've found something equivalent to the high build primer I use.  It looks like you got a good result with the black finish there and the black controls look cool!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on October 03, 2018, 06:40:30 pm
I'm glad to see you've found something equivalent to the high build primer I use.  It looks like you got a good result with the black finish there and the black controls look cool!  :cheers:

Great tutorial OND! :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on November 25, 2018, 12:05:52 pm
Project is not dead, I swear  ;D.

Many a plastic piece were sacrificed in the making of this box, for the faint of heart you may want to look away.

No seriously Iíve been trying to get the look of what I wanted for quite awhile now, and finally Iíve got something worth posting.

Iíve been trying to do a lit control panel, but Iíve found the process very difficult until now.  Instead of doing what most folks do and light the panel from underneath Iím taking a different approach.  The reasons are that Iíve noticed you get a lot of shadowing from the trackball, joystick mounting plate, etc and so I really wanted a uniform look.

The approach Iím taking is to fire the light from the sides of the acrylic above the controls, hence the reason for 2 layers of plastic.  Most versions came out bad as I was sanding the entire back of the plastic which really washed out the blacks.  I also tried prints from multiple vendors before I found one that really worked (canít say enough about how well the print came out).

Anyway enough talking:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373162;image)


Black and white print with polyurethane plastic on top.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373164;image)


Carefully cut out the black lines and large circle.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373166;image)


Busted out the Dremel and stayed within the guard rails of the polyurethane.


(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373168;image)


Would have loved to laser etch this, but knowing my panel will be too large for that Iím practicing  what Iíll ultimate have to do.


(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373170;image)


Test the side lighting.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373172;image)

Finally.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373176;image)


With the plastic overlay on top.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373178;image)

A shot of the lights off for comparison:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373174;image)



Still lots to do to get this all going, but major hurdle overcome.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on November 25, 2018, 01:14:53 pm
That looks amazing Arroyo.  You really hand-routed that with a Dremel?  Most impressive.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Jimbo on November 26, 2018, 06:42:29 am
Very nice!!!  :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on November 27, 2018, 08:22:20 am
Very cool!  I had too look at it a few times to see what you were doing..  Maybe you can get someone with a CNC router when it comes time to make the full sized panel?
If I ever build a new CP - I want to do this  :)

Keep going!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on November 28, 2018, 03:34:03 pm
That looks amazing Arroyo.  You really hand-routed that with a Dremel?  Most impressive.   :cheers:

Actually wasnít as bad as I thought it would be once I cut out the plastic on the Polyurethane, kept me from going outside the lines.  That Dremel work was probably about 30-45min, not too bad.

Very nice!!!  :applaud:

Thanks bud.

Very cool!  I had too look at it a few times to see what you were doing..  Maybe you can get someone with a CNC router when it comes time to make the full sized panel?
If I ever build a new CP - I want to do this  :)
Keep going!

What I like about this is that the black areas stay completely black, and only the areas you want to glow do.  As with most of these things itís hard to photograph, but it is exactly the look I was going for.
I may have a line on a place that can laser etch a large area, Iím talking to them about doing a test with this control box, if all goes well I can ditch the Dremel work, Iím not much of an arts and crafts kind of guy.  :angry:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on November 28, 2018, 03:39:08 pm
How large of an area do you need to laser etch?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on November 28, 2018, 03:58:46 pm
How large of an area do you need to laser etch?

Control panel width, so at least 17Ēx 35Ē.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on November 28, 2018, 04:08:47 pm
If you can't find someone I might be able to pull that off. My laser has a pass through. The problem is that the adjustable height bed has play in it. I am working out a solution. Right now I can't index a spot move the piece further in and retain positioning.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on November 28, 2018, 04:18:31 pm
If you can't find someone I might be able to pull that off. My laser has a pass through. The problem is that the adjustable height bed has play in it. I am working out a solution. Right now I can't index a spot move the piece further in and retain positioning.

Gotcha, let me know if you think you can pull it off.  Thanks for the offer!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on November 28, 2018, 10:04:26 pm
Wow - haven't checked in here in a while... this is so cool.  The etching looks awesome and the whole thing is super clean.   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on November 30, 2018, 03:41:15 pm
My laser work area is 19 inches wide. The laser needs to swing at least an inch past the etching by an inch on each side to slow down and reverse direction. I can override that by slowing the laser head down. I am going to rig up a solid non moving base for the pass-through. I will know by the end of the weekend if this will work. My laser machine adjusts the Z height by moving the floor up and down. It is not rigid like a CNC Z axis. Once I have the floor immobilized I will be able to index and pass longer stock through. In theory I will be able to do your etching. I will keep you posted.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on December 07, 2018, 01:59:01 pm
I have stabilized my Z axis. I think I can do that CP for you. Send me the appropriate files and I can give it a shot.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on December 07, 2018, 03:53:00 pm
Wow - haven't checked in here in a while... this is so cool.  The etching looks awesome and the whole thing is super clean.   :applaud:
Thanks bud, itís a work in progress but Iím digging it so far.

I have stabilized my Z axis. I think I can do that CP for you. Send me the appropriate files and I can give it a shot.

PM sent.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on December 21, 2018, 09:23:48 am
MikeA came through big time!

Laser etched the image:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373743;image)

Graphics applied:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373745;image)

Close up so you can see the contrast:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373747;image)

Unintended cool byproduct is a reflected image off the Acrylic that gives it a 3D look (didn't bother to clean up the dust sorry about that):
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=373749;image)

Assuming we can pull this off on a larger scale I'm running with this technique.

Thanks Mike!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on December 21, 2018, 09:33:26 am
That is crazy good work! 

Great collaboration!  love it.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on December 21, 2018, 09:40:21 am
Looks fantastic.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Scotty_C on December 21, 2018, 09:54:47 am
Now that looks bad ass!!!  Nice job
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on December 21, 2018, 10:21:55 am
That looks way better than I thought it would.
That is a very creative idea to merge laser etching with conventional artwork.  :notworthy:
I look forward to helping you kill some of those brain cells at Zapcon. I hope you like bourbon.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on December 21, 2018, 07:33:59 pm
Cheers fellas. :cheers:  Iím diggin it.

@MikeA - will definitely drink bourbon or anything put in front of me... ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 13, 2019, 12:43:00 am
Well I guess I wasnít lying when I said I would post at a slow pace :-)

Spent a lot of time thinking about how I wanted to move forward and been doing a lot of experimenting.  Got some results I like and almost getting to the point of calling it done so I can move on to ya know building an actual arcade cabinet.

First thing was securing the screws into the mounting plate so I can swap out controllers.  Considered welding at one point, but itís complicated without using the same materials (i.e. all steel, oh and I donít own a welder might be a problem as wellÖhmmmmm), so instead started researching epoxies.  Seemed pretty good from what I read so decided to give it a shot.  First thing I read was that you get a stronger bond with a roughed up surface:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375265;image)

Busted out the J.B. Weld slow drying epoxy:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375267;image)

Mixed equal parts, used a piece of Acrylic to mix it together (wood stick probably would have been better), applied to the countersunk holes in the mounting plate and put the screws through till they were flush.  Noticed that I got some epoxy on the threads of the screw and quickly wiped off (would have been better to have used some plastic wrap to protect the threads).  Let it dry over 15 hours and:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375269;image)

Man this stuff is crazy strong.  It held up well to multiple attempts to over tighten the wing nuts Iím using

Side note: to quickly cut the Acrylic I used this tool that I picked up from Tap Plastics:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375271;image)

Instead of needing a special blade on a table saw, you just use this and a straight edge.  Make a few swipes till you get a decent depth, and then snap the remaining part over a straight ledge.  You get a very clean cut.


AnywayÖ.

Needed to drill out the hole in the center of the mounting plate because I needed to fit the addressable (WS2812) ring LED that I will be using to light up the center of the joysticks.  Made a 1 1/8Ē forester hole through wood as a guide, and then used a 1 1/8Ē hole saw to make the cut (I did this before the epoxy FWIW):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375299;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375273;image)

With that out of the way, I put the mounting plate back into the CP wood to finally be able to make a permanent install:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375275;image)

Iíve been using a white piece of paper behind the laser etched Acrylic (thanks again MikeA!), but needed something more permanent.  Picked up some Oracle 651 Matte White Vinyl:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375277;image)

Did what most guys do and used a sharp Exacto knife and followed the edges to cut it to size:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375279;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375281;image)

Cut out the etched Acrylic using the router mounted to the router table and used a flush trim bit to follow the wood outline:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375283;image)

I think I mentioned it before, but I love using this double sided adhesive (3M Scotch double sided mounting tape), itís crazy strong, so much that you only need just a little before it becomes almost impossible to pull it back apart.  It makes pattern cutting very easy though.

Next I put the etched acrylic on top:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375301;image)

Then applied the graphics between the two pieces of acrylic and used the same Exacto knife then to cutout the holes:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375287;image)

I forgot to mention that while I was routing the etched Acrylic I had to do two things.  I needed to shave off around 1/32Ē all around so that it would create a gap between the top layer acrylic and the wood layer:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375289;image)

You can see that ever so slight offset of the lower plastic from the top and bottom above, that where the edge lighting from the LEDís is accounted for so as to not bulge the T-Moulding. 

Also broke out the Map Gas Torch to make the edges optically clear for the LEDís (no I did not do it this way, the flame is far from the stuff around it) ;D

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375303;image)

Next was putting the buttons in.  The buttons act as a clamp for all of the layers and hold things together.  The only problem I had was getting the lighting I wanted on the buttons.  The side lighting from the LEDís lit up the buttons from the sides and washed out the colors from below.  Looks cool without the buttons in:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375291;image)

It seemed simple enough to line the hole with some Oracle 651 matte black vinyl to block the light.  It worked, however I got a tunnel problem on the buttons where the light wouldnít spread out to fill the edges:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375293;image)

I thought to use some mirror vinyl to help, and it did but still not quite perfect:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375294;image)
 
It got better as I lowered the mirror vinyl down from being flush with the surface allowing the light to bounce more to the sides and reach the edges of the buttons.  Still not being satisfied I decided to break out a router bit Iíd been meaning try.

1/16Ē roundover to give a smooth edge to the button holes helped a lot (I tired many other things including black vinyl rings below the graphics, and all sorts of combos), this worked best:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375295;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375297;image)

I also used the roundover on the joystick hole so that it would have a smooth edge and not markup a clear dust washer.

More to comeÖÖÖ
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on February 13, 2019, 05:05:42 am
Nice work.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on February 17, 2019, 11:33:44 am
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375297;image)

That looks so fantastic.   :applaud:

Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on February 22, 2019, 12:05:03 am
Nice work.
That looks so fantastic.   :applaud:

Cheers fellas.


Continuing with buttoning this up, I needed to get the side lit LEDís mounted into the sides while not compromising the T-moulding.  As mentioned on my previous post I used the wood sides and shortened the middle layer of etched acrylic by roughly 1/32Ē on all sides to allow a channel for the LEDís to sit so they wouldnít bulge out the sides and push out the T-moulding:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375520;image)

This is a cool white 24V LED strip I got off of AliExpress and it fortunately is just the right width to fit. 

As I laid down the LED strip in the channel I braced it with black vinyl to hold it place so that I could apply the T-moulding.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375522;image)

Then I came around with the T-moulding:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375524;image)

Got a little tricky around the routed area for the hinges and the corners, but as others have done I cut the spine to make it fit.

Slapped in a Sanwa JLF just to see how it all looks:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375526;image)

You can see the LED ring around the joystick which fits perfectly in a 1 1/8Ē hole.

To try and keep this all compact I ordered a NanoLED addressable LED controller from Ultimarc.  I hadnít really seen anyone use one in a build before. What I found out was that it wasnít quite working with LED blinky.  Iíve been helping Andy and Arzoo with some testing in the background and weíve made pretty good progress.  The WS2812 ring LED works perfect, and Iím experiment with some individual WS2812b LEDís under the buttons.

Whatís nice about using addressable LEDís vs non is that you can get a clean wiring job (albeit a pain in the ass):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375528;image)

Iíve found that itís always best to pre-solder the pads, and the tips of the wires (so the strands donít fray).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375534;image)

I used 22AWG wire and then sleeved them with some heat shrink tubing:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375536;image)

Unlike the ring LEDís Iím having troubles controlling the individual WS2812b ones, it may be a bad solder joint weíll see.

I also wanted to mess with how to handle the dust washer.  The plan was to use the same ring graphics and light them different colors underneath but Iím not sure if it works:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=375538;image)

I had the idea to try some diffusing Acrylic, and picked up some 69% transparency white acrylic that matches the existing white ring.  Iím thinking of burying this just above the ring LED and putting a clear dust washer over the top. Cutting the acrylic that precise that small probably can only be done with a laser cutterÖÖMikeA is becoming my new best friend. ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Gilrock on February 22, 2019, 06:44:04 pm
You got some good stuff happening there.  I perk up when I see led work.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on February 22, 2019, 08:11:34 pm
Very nice  :)   
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Ond on February 23, 2019, 12:51:46 am
Great innovation on the  lighting module built around the stick.  I have used those same surface mount LEDS in other projects myself, fiddly but great for tight spaces.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 10, 2019, 08:31:48 am
Cheers fellas :cheers:


So I’ve finally finished this thing…..1 year for a control panel box.  Lets see, add the 5 carry the 2…..looks like I should have this build buttoned up by 2040. ???


Anyway.

I wanted to keep the lighting really confined to just the graphics.  It’s really easy to get light bleed on the edges so I bought some Black 2.0 (supposedly the blackest paint you can buy), and painted the outside edge of the top layer of Acrylic, and the inner ring around the joystick:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376681;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376682;image)

I should have used black acrylic paint which I only later found out when talking with folks at Tap Plastics.  The other thing I will change when building the actual panel is not cutting the graphics so close to the edge.  There is still small areas of light bleed, that had I left the graphics to stick out some it would have covered over the LED’s better and not allowed any light in.

Got to wiring.  I needed to get 24V from my power supply down to 5V for the USB hub and for the lighting in the buttons and joysticks (the cool white LED’s around the edges are 24V).  I bought these cool DC to DC power converters off Amazon:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376683;image)

Theres a potentiometer at the top that you use a screw head to dial the voltage you want.  I used 2 so I could also adjust the lighting for the panel (full 24V is a little too bright). 

Had to cut, strip, and solder the USB mount to make it all fit:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376684;image)

One of the things I really wanted to do with this and the build is make hot swapping joysticks easy.  I put in the universal mounting plate to make that easy, and I also am using wing nut screws so you can pull out and swap a joystick without needing any tools.  The only problem was handling the wiring.  So based on what I had read on Nephasth’s posts in his Two Headed Beast log, I went hunting for Molex parts and picked these up:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376687;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376685;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376686;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376688;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376689;image)

I bought a couple of crimpers and a wire stripper.  The wire stripper ended up being terrible, at least for 22AWG wire which I used throughout.  Don’t buy this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B072J62TBN/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But one of the crimpers I bought ended up being perfect for crimping the Molex connectors and 0.187" Quick disconnects:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00OMM4YUY/ref=oh_aui_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Completed wiring with heat shrink tubing (some not shrunk yet in pic):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376690;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376691;image)

That's the Ultimarc NanoLED controller in the middle that controls all of the button and joystick lighting, and the Ultimarc MiniPac for the controls.

And completed panel:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376692;image)

Lit:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376693;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376694;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376700;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376699;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376701;image)

Now it’s clean out the garage, and this office I’ve been using, head to Zapcon, and start working on the actual build when I get back.

Also don't think I mentioned it before but I'm keeping track of all of the parts I'm buying and have built an Excel sheet with links, descriptions, pictures, and cost that I plan on uploading when completed.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on April 10, 2019, 09:44:02 am
WOW this came out sick looking.  Really nice job - the lighting effects are super cool.  I also like how neat you were with all the wiring... something I'll have to aim for.   22 gauge wiring must have been a pain to get just right.  How many times did you cut the wire in half when you were just trying to strip it?  Seems to happen to me a lot more than it should!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on April 10, 2019, 11:35:45 am
That looks amazing!  Just brilliant.     :applaud: :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:

I'm going to go throw rocks at my CP tonight.    >:D
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 10, 2019, 07:11:36 pm
22 gauge wiring must have been a pain to get just right.  How many times did you cut the wire in half when you were just trying to strip it?

If those damn strippers would have worked it would have been a breeze :angry:  I ended up using my Exacto which is accurate but slow.

I'm going to go throw rocks at my CP tonight.    >:D

LOL, I love your panel, inspired me to build this one!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on April 11, 2019, 09:44:51 am
If those damn strippers would have worked it would have been a breeze :angry:  I ended up using my Exacto which is accurate but slow.

Always blame the strippers!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on April 11, 2019, 10:07:22 am
NEVER blame the strippers. You will wake up in a bathtub full of ice.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on April 11, 2019, 10:34:53 pm
Nice work  - Inspirational  :applaud:

Now - a little faster please - 2040 is way after Year 2038 problem (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem) and the internet will be dead...
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on April 12, 2019, 09:11:58 am
(https://pics.me.me/gettin-down-tonight-with-some-coke-and-strippers-23357286.png)
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 29, 2019, 12:19:17 am
Garage is clean.....so there's no more excuses. 

Been consulting with bperkins01 on some wood working stuff (dude built a boat :o), should get to cutting soon, hopefully this weekend.  Plan is to start with the sides:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377463;image)

Gotta buy wood, print plans, and setup the tools....for some reason starting is the hardest part.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on May 29, 2019, 01:40:09 am
The Titanic was a boat.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 29, 2019, 01:44:22 am
The Titanic was a boat.

Donít you sleep?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on May 29, 2019, 01:46:30 am
My sump pump alarm went off 30 minutes ago. I had to clean the water sensor contact off. I get up for work in another two hours. I might just go in now.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 29, 2019, 01:48:47 am
My sump pump alarm went off 30 minutes ago. I had to clean the water sensor contact off. I get up for work in another two hours. I might just go in now.

Uh huh, did somebody have a couple cocktails tonight?
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Mike A on May 29, 2019, 01:51:08 am
No. You posted that you were going to actually start building something and it woke me from a dead sleep.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Laythe on May 29, 2019, 03:37:25 am
That lighting setup is elaborate and awesome, and the resulting effect just looks beautiful.  Great work, from design through execution.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Vigo on May 29, 2019, 05:05:31 am
Looking forward to the upcoming woodwork pics, brother!  :cheers: Good luck!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on May 29, 2019, 10:36:38 am
No. You posted that you were going to actually start building something and it woke me from a dead sleep.

Love you honey, sorry I woke youÖÖ.. :-*

That lighting setup is elaborate and awesome, and the resulting effect just looks beautiful.  Great work, from design through execution.   :cheers:

Well at least itís different.  I wanted to make sure the lighting went all the way to the edges of the panel, and I also wanted to eliminate any shadowing of Joysticks, and trackballs that Iíve seen when people have done this from lighting underneath.  Also gives a nice color contrast in the controlled lighting with the laser etching.

Looking forward to the upcoming woodwork pics, brother!  :cheers: Good luck!

Cheers brotha, Iíll try not to disappoint.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on May 29, 2019, 11:28:44 am
Garage is clean.....so there's no more excuses. 

should get to cutting soon, hopefully this weekend. 

Let's GO!  Pretty sure you will finish before I do...  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 10, 2019, 11:47:29 am
Javery Ė you damn well better finish before me, no one is going to break my record for longest build ever.

Bought wood, printed plans, and setup the tools.

As mentioned bperkins01 has been a huge help to me in the background answering all of my silly questions.  Just to give reference on how inept my wood skills are hereís my shining achievement before building the little control panel:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377627;image)

7th grade wood shop, shouldíve taken more notes.

Anyway I had decided prior to consulting bperkins that I was going to print the plans on a 1:1 scale and cut it out and then trace it.  This actually went fairly well, although the first print had been rolled for me tightly by the folks that work at Fedex/kinkoís print, and she threw on some tight rubber bands.  This actually made the longest part of the print off by close to 1/8Ē.  I had traced the print onto some Masonite (3/16Ē hardboard) from Home Depot, as I thought I was supposed to.  Turns out I didnít understand what bperkins was saying.  After realizing I needed to transfer this to the ĺĒ Maple Plywood that I bought I figured I would try a re-print and control the roll job.  This turned out much better, the plans I quickly got home and laid flat overnight.  All of the measurements were spot on, but I decided it would still be best to draw the straight lines by using the corners of the print for reference and straight edge and pencil:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377632;image)


Thatís actually the Masonite, as I had already drawn onto the Plywood, I was using it again to draw the curves as this was going to be the focus for the first challenge, cutting the arcs.

He gave me good advice and although I didn't follow it to a T, I largely borrowed his ideas.

I bought some bender board from the Depot in the molding section:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377633;image)

Bought a bunch of L brackets and screwed them into the bender board being careful to make sure the other side of the L bracket would sit flush with the Masonite.

As was suggested I then used my jigsaw to rough cut as close as possible to the lines I had drawn on the wood:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377634;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377635;image)


In order to screw in those L brackets I needed to put some scrap Plywood underneath so that the screws wouldn't show through on the other side.  You can see the rough cut below. 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377636;image)

From there I had to flip it over to use the flush trim bit with the Router and use the bender board as the guide so that I could get the smooth accurate cut I was looking for:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377637;image)

You can see I had to Dremel off some of the screws that came with the L brackets as they were too long and were going to get in the way of the bit.  Not ideal, but I was trying to avoid another trip to the store and lose more time (my biggest problem).

Anyway I was very pleased with the results:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377638;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377639;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377640;image)

I try to find a way to use the router to make every cut as I love the smooth, consistent finish.
Here are the two templates finished that have the three curves that I needed (all cuts on the right ignore that mistake on the left side). 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377641;image)

This weekend I hope to double stick tape the templates onto the Maple and finish the straight edges and have the sides completed.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Gilrock on June 10, 2019, 11:50:28 am
Javery Ė you damn well better finish before me, no one is going to break my record for longest build ever.

Why what's your record?  I started my MAME cab in 2014 and its still just a frame.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: wp34 on June 10, 2019, 12:03:06 pm
Javery Ė you damn well better finish before me, no one is going to break my record for longest build ever


Coming up on eight years for me.  Twelve if you count my first parts order.   :cheers:

I like what you did with the angle iron and the bender board for that curve.  I've been playing around with the an aluminum bar similar to what OND did and having mixed results.

Glad to see you making progress!
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on June 10, 2019, 12:34:50 pm
Progress!   
Nice work sir.
We will all nudge you along so we can see the final result of the CP.

Then I'll want to redo mine  :P
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: javeryh on June 10, 2019, 03:49:59 pm
Good progress Arroyo!  Nice job on the curves - those are the trickiest parts for sure.  Once you get the cabinet assembled things will start moving because you will have something to actually work on.  Don't forget to cut the t-molding slots first though.

I think I'll finish before you - I need 1 more day to get it up and running but until school is out for the kids my free time is non-existent.  Hopefully before the July 4 holiday.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Arroyo on June 10, 2019, 04:26:17 pm
Well maybe Iíll have to settle for second or third place.  :P

@bperkins01 Ė Thanks again, Iím sure Iíll keep lighting up your inbox with some more hand holding. 
Quote
We will all nudge you along so we can see the final result of the CP.
Iíll be interested to see if you still think itís the most interesting thing by the end ;), havenít pulled all the tricks out of my sleeve yet.

@javery Ė Thanks for the reminder on the t-molding, Iím already dreading that day. Looking forward to your progress, curious to see how the dust washer comes out.
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: bperkins01 on June 10, 2019, 04:30:39 pm
I like the lighted CP futuristic look you have been working on..  My cabinet is so modular that I can pop of my current CP and pop on a new one if I wanted to down the line.. 
If they ever make a reasonably priced LCD for the marquee - I'd do that too!

Feel free to blow up my inbox..
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on June 17, 2019, 01:11:56 pm
Wife: So what would you like for Fatherís Day honey? 
Me: Time to myself  :o

Got time on Sunday to work on the sides.

Was debating on how I wanted to cut the straight parts, and ultimately settled on using a straight edge metal ruler and a flush trim bit (with the bearing on the top).  I wanted to be as precise as possible so didnít want to flip the piece over every time to use bottom bearing flush trim bit.   Hereís a picture so you get the idea (I used many more and stronger clamps than in the pic):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377713;image)


And here is how the cuts came out:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377714;image)

Because the ruler wasnít that thick, there was a little lip where the bit wouldnít quite cut the top part which meant I would come back with the bottom bearing bit and finish it off smooth.

As before I ruff cut everything with the jigsaw and a straight edge:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377715;image)

Then use the ruler and router.  I really like the way the finish of a router cut looks and feels compared to other methods:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377718;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377719;image)

For the curves I laid down the templates that I made last week, clamped them down good

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377720;image)

I then flipped the piece over from here and cut with the bottom bearing flush trim bit with the router.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377721;image)

Made a copy by placing the finished piece on top of blank sheet, drew an outline and then ruff cut with the jig saw and then used the router with the flush trim bit (rinse repeat, rinse repeat).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377722;image)

And the sides are finished:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377723;image)

Iíd probably be wondering ??? how the hell any control panel would sit on that 2Ē shelf.  I promise it will make more sense over time.  ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on June 17, 2019, 01:17:45 pm
lookin good.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on June 17, 2019, 01:23:26 pm
Wife: So what would you like for Fatherís Day honey? 
Me: Time to myself  :o

Got time on Sunday to work on the sides.


Such a simple thing, but yeah, I think most of us Dads would rather have Me Time than just about anything else.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on June 17, 2019, 01:23:41 pm
Side #1 - days of thinking and worrying...
Side #2 - 5 minutes 

 :applaud:

Nice job  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on June 17, 2019, 01:27:01 pm
You may have mentioned this before, but how does this fold into the wall? Where are the handles so you can carry it to a friend's house? I am very confused. It looks like that cab is just going to sit where you put it. That's crazy talk.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on June 17, 2019, 03:37:34 pm
You may have mentioned this before, but how does this fold into the wall? Where are the handles so you can carry it to a friend's house? I am very confused. It looks like that cab is just going to sit where you put it. That's crazy talk.

The bottom of the sides looks a bit rounded, and I immediately pictured a rocking chair cab.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on June 18, 2019, 12:59:02 am
@ Yotsuya - Is it bad if thatís what I want all the time?

@bperkins - I think by know you know how much I over think these things.  Feeling more confident though to get things done after yesterday.  I think Iím finally getting a feel for this woodworking stuff.  Thanks again for your council.

@Mikey - Ok so you finally figured it out, itís actually a transformer cab. Folds down to briefcase size, and I specifically designed it to meet carry-on dimensions as I didnít want any hassles with checking bags. Very mountable as well.

@gingecko - Hehe, not sure I can unseen that now. 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on June 18, 2019, 04:41:50 am
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Very mountable as well.
:o
Title: Re: The Grid....(Redesign)
Post by: Luigi on June 18, 2019, 07:15:21 am

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376699;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=376701;image)

I'm sorry mate, I cannot follow this build any longer...this is just too much pr0n for me  :dizzy:


Seriously, this is A-W-E-S-O-M-E !!

The (unexpected) mirroring of the PLAYER 1-font is simply amazing.

Great job, keep going....I will take a look after taking some stuff to lower my blood pressure  :laugh:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on June 18, 2019, 07:29:23 am
I LIVE to overthink it too - you are in good company  - that's what we engineers do.  :)

Nice work!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on June 18, 2019, 08:31:38 pm
Seriously, this is A-W-E-S-O-M-E !!

:cheers: Iíll bank it until I get this thing built.  But helps keep me motivated, so arigato!

@bperkins - glad to be in good company.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on June 24, 2019, 11:28:12 am
Somehow I always have it in my head that Iím going to knock ten things out on the weekend and Iím lucky if I get 2.  I keep fooling myself about time, and Iím learning that prepping during the week is sooo important to be able to get anything done on the weekend.

Had to spend time playing Tetris with the pieces to make them fit on the remaining stock of wood.  I should have done that from the get go, but hey ya live ya learn.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377785;image)

I continued the 1:1 print  process, and I was reminded this weekend of how frustrating  it can be to get that done in Sketchup, so I figured I would post the process in case itís helpful to someone.

First you have to isolate the images you are interested in printing, meaning in a new file, otherwise it will try to print everything.
Next you have to select under Camera --> Parallel Projection:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377781;image)

Then File --> Export --> 2D Graphic:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377782;image)

Then choose what format you want to output (PDF is probably easiest for printing):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377783;image)

And probably the most CRITICAL PART.  You selected Parallel Projection to open up the image scale fields as they are greyed out by default:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377784;image)

Here is the CRAZY part, even though it will say 1Ē for both they ARENíT.  You have to click in them and when you do it will jump to some other number.  Make them both say 1Ē, and you are good to go.  Always good to check in an image program with a ruler and make sure, but if you follow those steps you should be good.

I thought I would have 10 pieces cut this weekend forgetting that I actually need to draw them on wood first so I really ended up doing mostly that.  I used the print out mostly for the layout on the remaining wood so that I didnít waste any stock.   I ended up using an Exacto knife to cut out the corners to give references from which to draw. 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377787;image)

 On more complex pieces I cut them out and did some tracing/drawing as I seem to CONSTANTLY make errors in reading measurements and then end up doing a lot of erasing and losing time.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377788;image)

Going to work during the week to get things sketched out so that I can hopefully cut again soon, maybe this weekend.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on June 24, 2019, 11:34:00 am
I plan on playing that cab in December. :bat

no pressure >:D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on June 24, 2019, 11:40:07 am
I plan on playing that cab in December. :bat

no pressure >:D

You and the wife.  She has demanded that I have it finished in time for my 40th.
 
(https://media.giphy.com/media/DUuyU3KyYGLNS/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on June 24, 2019, 11:41:19 am
Somehow I always have it in my head that Iím going to knock ten things out on the weekend and Iím lucky if I get 2.

Isn't that the truth?!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on June 24, 2019, 12:37:39 pm
Somehow I always have it in my head that Iím going to knock ten things out on the weekend and Iím lucky if I get 2.

Isn't that the truth?!

2?  Why the rush?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 01:35:10 pm
Well I didnít knock out 10 but I beat my previous 2 record with 3 panels in one day, so top that Javery  :P

Been progressing along with cutting rectangles.  Am I the only one that thought this would be the stupid easy part only to find that both drawing and cutting exact all around 90 degreeís rectangles is actually pretty tough?  I tried a T-square which seemed great at first until I realized that relies on the edge of the wood being straight.  Then I tried drawing with a right angle, but just getting a little bit off on the angle over a long enough line can really screw that up.  In the end I mostly used the measuring tape, with the right angle to get direction of the lines and then straight edge to connect measured points. 

I found it comical at times all the ways that I had to sometimes set things up just to get a stable cut:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377931;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377932;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377933;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377934;image)

I was getting tired of using my jig and router technique (slow) so I tried the table saw above.  This thing has turned out to be pretty worthless.  The fence on it only extends 12Ē and you can see there isnít a lot to stabilize the pieces when feeding it in.  In addition here was the result I got with the cut:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377935;image)

Look at all of that lovely chipping :angry:.  Iím sure there is a way to get it better (Iíve read making two cuts, one pass halfway through the material then run it through again after rasing the blade), but in general this thing stinks.  I guess there is a reason it costs $125.  If I were to do it over again I would skip the cheap table saws. 

It ended up being a blessing though as I hadnít noticed that the 4íx8í had warped on me:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377943;image)

Bperkins asked if it might have made contact with some water on one side, and then I remembered that when I moved it I temporarily set in on the grass when opening the side gate, so yeah donít let your wood touch the grass.

Managed to salvage some parts on the end but lost a lot of material :angry::

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377942;image)

These saw horses have been helpful with the groves cut out:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377944;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377947;image)

 Allowed the jigsaw to pass through and support the piece on the side, and used the wood to keep a piece from sliding (actually fits two pieces of ĺĒ material perfectly, figured that out after taking the pic.)

Anyway it was back to jigsaw and router, but I wanted to try and speed things up so I tried double stick taping the straight edge to the bottom of a piece cause I got tired of moving clamps to make the cuts (as I showed in the previous posts).

Was going well:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377949;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377950;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377951;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377952;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377953;image)

Cut went much faster and was fairly simple to setup until:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377954;image)

When I pulled apart the tape from the straight edge it lifted the maple veneer.  Oh well glue and clamps overnight:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377955;image)

So I went back to my previous method although I think if you paid attention to the direction of the grain and peeled apart from the center of the piece towards the edge rather than the opposite, you probably wouldnít have this problem  :dunno

Managed to cut out several pieces (back door, marquee top and bottom, speaker panel, and interior braces):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377956;image)

One thing I was super paranoid about was having all of the interior horizontal pieces be all the same width.  Knowing that even being off by 1/16Ē can affect the rigidity I came up with a good method with the tools Iím using.  I thought ahead and cut the largest pieces that Iíll be using (length wise) that have the same horizontal width.  In this case it was the back door and bottom panel.  After cutting those I then lined up any pieces that needed that width and simply used the router and flush trim bit to get an exact width:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377957;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377958;image)

Above pic is lining up the top wood and clamping it down onto the bottom panel and then flush cut it with the router to make the width be identical.

Iím sure thatís enough for now.  Any guess as to what this is for?

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377959;image)

Damn I'm sore, nobody ever talks about that.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on July 08, 2019, 01:47:10 pm
Nice work.

A good table saw with a good fence and a good blade would help a bunch in the future.

Ask for one for Christmas.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 08, 2019, 02:24:18 pm
Nice work :)

Tough to make many of those cuts without a full sized table saw as Mike A. said - A circular saw with a good blade and a guide fence is reasonably close second place..
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Ond on July 08, 2019, 03:58:24 pm
Damn I'm sore, nobody ever talks about that.

 ;D

Great work and perseverance! Accurate cabinetry without a good table saw can be pretty tiring (and slow).  When you start using one, the greater ease  accuracy and speed are really enjoyable.  Thanks for posting lots of pics and covering your challenges in detail.  Things like warping ply or splintering are really common issues when you're getting started in woodworking. 

Those triangular braces are for the special treatment behind the monitor?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 05:06:12 pm
Just looked up prices of a good table saw :scared

At those prices I feel like I might want to dump it into a good CNC machine. :dunno

I do enjoy the time outside to myself but damn it's taking a long time to get these cuts made.  I'll have to think about this one.

Those triangular braces are for the special treatment behind the monitor?

 Didn't even break a sweat guessing eh?  Nailed it.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 08, 2019, 06:16:33 pm
I just did some quick table saw shopping...  They really are big money now..  if your plans do not include any *real* woodworking in the future.. they are a lot of $$$

This here:
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/model-ts-55-req-f-plus-plunge-cut-saw-with-55-rail
Is the best (IMHO) alternative and will allow precision cuts - and is reusable!  I own this one (well an earlier version) - Its indispensable..

I've never used this variant:
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/kreg-acs-saw-plus-guide-kit-kreg?via=573621bd69702d0676000002%2C573621e069702d0676000f61%2C5764019669702d6582000ed1
But it appears the patents have run out on the Festool since everyone is making tracksaws now..

Finally - I've seen many "Build your own" tracks for standard circular saws that will work just as well and can be made from Masonite and other odd scraps.

The track saw will be WAY simpler than straight edges and routers for your initial cuts.  The router is good for duplicating completed parts that need to be identical (left and right panels for instance).

*good* table saws can be had on craigslist now and then - but they are far between and take up space.  And of course... If a woodworking future isn't a destination.. then still a big expense.

Keep up the good work!




Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yotsuya on July 08, 2019, 06:56:33 pm
Youíll find a hundred uses for a good table saw that donít involve bideo gamez. Open the wallet.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 09:48:29 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190709/21b532378de110fc3f8efe71c7cddd82.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Nephasth on July 08, 2019, 09:59:55 pm
First time looking at this since the redesign... The little CP/fightstick is tits! :applaud:









Tron still sucks.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 10:29:56 pm
Pretty lights and a shallow storyline what else could a 12 year old want?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 10:33:10 pm
Thanks for the Table Saw research bperkins, Iíll scratch the noggin a time or two.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Nephasth on July 08, 2019, 10:36:56 pm
Pretty lights and a shallow storyline what else could a 12 year old want?

I meant the actual game. Burn them all!!! ;)

Dragon's Lair too!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 08, 2019, 10:46:34 pm
I meant the actual game. Burn them all!!! ;)

If Iím honest then yeah Tron game play does kinda suck, shame it was wasted on a beautiful cab design.  Iím down with Discs of Tron, but again prettier cab then amazing game.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on July 09, 2019, 04:04:18 pm
Looking good Arroyo - I find that even getting a straight cut with my tablesaw can be a challenge so most of the time I use a flush bit and my router.  Getting the fence exactly parallel to the blade is tough for some reason.  Maybe it's because the fence that came with my saw seems cheap - it can wiggle ever so slightly even when locked in place.  It's been so long since I've even played with it - I probably need a new blade and the whole thing needs a good cleaning.

I also find that working with MDF is easier... but MUCH heavier.  For interior support pieces I just go to Home Depot (or whatever big box store is nearby) and have them cut a bunch of strips to the exact width I need.  Then I cut those strips as necessary to make the top panel, front panel, CP, speaker panel, etc. 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 09, 2019, 06:00:35 pm
For interior support pieces I just go to Home Depot (or whatever big box store is nearby) and have them cut a bunch of strips to the exact width I need.  Then I cut those strips as necessary to make the top panel, front panel, CP, speaker panel, etc.

Well damn, that just makes too much sense.  Now he tells me... :laugh:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Nephasth on July 09, 2019, 08:07:43 pm
Eh, the home improvement stores around here have started to phase out the "cut to size" service. I ran into this with 8-2 wire. Had to buy 50' more than I needed. YMMV.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: J_K_M_A_N on July 09, 2019, 08:26:21 pm
I just bought a couple of these (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Waddell-36-in-x-3-4-in-Hardwood-Square-Dowel-8312U/100536762) and cut them to size.

J_K_M_A_N
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 23, 2019, 06:56:21 pm
Got a small window on Sunday to make some cuts. 

Saw on MikeAís post a product and technique that I would steal to hopefully help speed up my process, and it really did. 

I bought as per his suggestion an Emerson straight edge clamp:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378244;image)

This really helped as the setup time to clamp this down versus using clamps and a straight edge was faster (clamps are on the underside, and clamp to the sides of the piece).  But it really became valuable when routing.  Up until now I have been using multiple clamps on a straight piece, and I would have to stop and turn my router off and move clamps as they were in the way.  With this the top surface is totally clear so you can just clamp and then cut without having to stop:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378247;image)

Hereís how I was doing it (Iíll talk about that beat up flush trim bit in a minute):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378248;image)

The only hang up I had was on one end of the clamp the blue clamp sticks up a little and prevented me from cutting all the way to the edge:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378249;image)

You can see how the router base was bumping up against blue part.

So I added a block of straight scrap and that fixed it:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378250;image)

Other thing I borrowed was predrilling holes in corners which made using the jigsaw easier to pull out the blade and make turns without bending the blade:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378246;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378251;image)

Pretty pumped that the monitor mount piece I cut lined up with what will be the sides:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378253;image)

Small win to most I am sure, but to have that line up with the depth of cut was huge as I was very nervous about it.

So yeah about that bit.  I had ordered a new one as I knew this one was getting beat up, and I was praying it would show up in time for work this weekend and it obviously didnít.  What I found out while cutting was that the bearing (red arrow below) started to have some play (I could move it ever so slightly side to side).  While the difference in cut was almost imperceptible I could feel it, but the bigger deal was that the blade and the area right above the bearing (black arrow), were then allowed to move further in then the bearing.  What that meant was that my brand new clamping straight edge started to get marked up by both the blade and area above the bearing.  I didnít take pictures but it took the perfectly smooth surface and introduced divots.  Thankfully this was only on one side and I pulled the bit after noticing it:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378255;image)

What I have learned about bits is:

1.   They really arenít meant for the initial cut.  The smallest amount possible is ideal, but I donít think I would do more than half the diameter of the bit.  So for a ĹĒ bit no more than ľĒ thickness of a cut (sustained).
2.   Donít go too slow when making a cut.  I thought I was being more precise, but that additional friction allows the bit to heat up and is a large part of the reason mine became so black.  I am also pretty confident that the heating is what led to the deterioration of the bearing not to mention the blade.
3.   Always clean the bit with Acetone between switching it out and keep as clean as possible.

Not much to look at but here was my Sunday accomplishment:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378252;image)

I also ordered an Arduino as I will be using it extensively for LED light management:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378243;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378254;image)

This will control the glow corners, discs, and monitor surroundsÖÖnow for lots of caffeine and learning the Fast LED library  :dizzy:

Pretty amazing what it can do though:

https://youtu.be/yZubZPQWVts (https://youtu.be/yZubZPQWVts)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on July 23, 2019, 07:17:31 pm
That is some nice work.

I keep telling people that you don't have to have a decade of woodworking experience to do a good job. You have to absorb information from other people like a sponge and you have to give a crap about detail.

About the router bit cutting into the straight edge...

Don't buy any more of those ---smurfy--- bits. I still have a couple of them, but I am slowly transitioning to better bits. The bearings are sloppy at best, and they have a habit of exploding.

You have too much of the cutting surface in contact with the straightedge. Adjust your bit deeper.

You don't need a straight edge to make the jigsaw cuts if you are going to clean them up with the router. It will save you some time to freehand them.

+1 on not using your router bit to make full cuts. Use a jigsaw or circular saw to do the grunt work.

I am very impressed with the way you are learning and executing what you learned.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 23, 2019, 07:33:57 pm
What Mike said +1

You can't read experience.. you have to do it..
 
A very high quality router bit is the Whiteside bit..  You want to use 1/2" or larger pattern bits.  I've also had good luck with the CMT bits.
The less material you remove the better as you found..

Thanks for the update :)

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on July 23, 2019, 08:27:56 pm
Nice progress!  Iíve had the bearing on that exact bit explode on me and I had another snap off and thank god went flying away from me.  So yeah, better bits are always preferable (1/2Ē shank).  Always remove as little material as you can with it and you will be fine - it only struggled when I didnít know what I was doing and I literally tried to bite off more than it could chew.

That clamp looks awesome - I run into the same issue you described where the clamps are in the way of the straight edge and I have to reposition.  Iíll look into picking one up for my next project.  The jigsaw, straight edge and flush bit are the reason my table saw hasnít been turned on in years.  Itís just more precise for me.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 24, 2019, 01:13:14 am
Don't buy any more of those ---smurfy--- bits. I still have a couple of them, but I am slowly transitioning to better bits. The bearings are sloppy at best, and they have a habit of exploding.

You don't need a straight edge to make the jigsaw cuts if you are going to clean them up with the router. It will save you some time to freehand them.
A very high quality router bit is the Whiteside bit..  You want to use 1/2" or larger pattern bits.  I've also had good luck with the CMT bits.

Yeah it was a Diablo, and I'm not sure that the bit was as much to blame as the operator.  Clearly I was using it in the wrong way on multiple occasions.  I should have consulted all of you before buying the new one.  I was sold on the Freud brand by the folks at Rockler.  Next bits will be Whiteside or CMT.  Damn I wish I had bought a 1/2" shank router.....maybe Christmas will come early  ;D

Agreed on the jigsaw, I actually started going more freehand on Sunday.  As far as I can tell it's necessary on curves anyway :dunno

That clamp looks awesome - I run into the same issue you described where the clamps are in the way of the straight edge and I have to reposition.  Iíll look into picking one up for my next project.  The jigsaw, straight edge and flush bit are the reason my table saw hasnít been turned on in years.  Itís just more precise for me.

Agreed, at least for now.  I'm sure I will run into some problem that I'll wish I had one but I'm gonna see how far I can make it without it.  +1 on the Straight edge clamp, it's money!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Laythe on July 24, 2019, 02:35:17 am
Love to see you working on this cab!   :applaud:

Your depth of cut looks bang-on, I'd be pleased with that too. 

Your proof of concept fightstick was absolutely awesome, so I am excited to see where the full project goes.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on July 24, 2019, 09:51:47 am
Agreed on the jigsaw, I actually started going more freehand on Sunday.  As far as I can tell it's necessary on curves anyway :dunno

If you want precise curves, build a jig!  You can attach your router to a straight piece of MDF or whatever and put a screw on one end and the center of the bit on the other and do whatever curve you want.  Your router base should have screws and/or holes on it for attaching jigs.  You draw a straight line on the material from the bit to the screw and measure out your curve on it.  It sounds harder than it is but if you take your time to do it you will get a perfect curve instead of trying to get close to the line with the jigsaw and sanding it back.

A long time ago I explained how to do it (and it doesn't have to be this detailed).  Yours may need to be longer depending on the radius of the curve you are trying to cut.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,82554.msg861415.html#msg861415
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 24, 2019, 12:42:06 pm
Love to see you working on this cab!   :applaud:

Your depth of cut looks bang-on, I'd be pleased with that too. 

Your proof of concept fightstick was absolutely awesome, so I am excited to see where the full project goes.

Cheers Laythe, I'm watching your every post soaking up as much as I can. 

Yeah I think the flight stick will actually be pretty handy on a lot of games, I haven't gotten to play many with it yet as I haven't had it supported in a panel.  Looking forward to getting it mounted and fire up some Star Wars and Afterburner.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 24, 2019, 12:42:39 pm
Agreed on the jigsaw, I actually started going more freehand on Sunday.  As far as I can tell it's necessary on curves anyway :dunno

If you want precise curves, build a jig!

Ahem.  Post #201 :bat ;D

What I meant was use the jig saw to get close on curve and then come back with a router to clean it up with the jig.

But you bring up a good point in using the router to cut circles.  While this Ryobi router with 1/4" shank has served me well thus far it's two biggest downsides are the shank size and terrible accessory options.  The only circle jig I can find (without building one.) is this one:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/716wDWSpsBL._SL1500_.jpg)

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0744PD3VS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A1UAD3GC6ZP026&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0744PD3VS/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A1UAD3GC6ZP026&psc=1)

Which based on my previous Milescraft universal purchases will probably be ok and a bit shaky on quality.  I'm actually planning on buying a Makita palm router with tilting base that has a better universal mounting plate that should open up circle jig options.  This has been another good lesson in not going cheap on a purchase, and spending a lot of time researching.  If I don't upgrade my router I continue to be left out of 1/2" shank bits, and substandard or no options on accessories (circle jig, plunge base, straight edge attachments, etc.).

Question for the group on cutting circles with the router: As far as I can tell I would have to have my pivot point be secured to a piece of wood below the material so that once the bit gets close to finishing the circle the router doesn't move.  Meaning if the pivot point is in the material only, then once it finishes the cut, the cut out circle would allow the router to move.  So I think I need to secure the pivot to a piece of wood below the material?  Also it seems I would have to violate what I said above and use the bit to do all of the cutting as I don't think I can use my usual jigsaw and router method.....
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on July 24, 2019, 02:08:35 pm
Question for the group on cutting circles with the router: As far as I can tell I would have to have my pivot point be secured to a piece of wood below the material so that once the bit gets close to finishing the circle the router doesn't move.  Meaning if the pivot point is in the material only, then once it finishes the cut, the cut out circle would allow the router to move.  So I think I need to secure the pivot to a piece of wood below the material?  Also it seems I would have to violate what I said above and use the bit to do all of the cutting as I don't think I can use my usual jigsaw and router method.....

The way I do it is with a piece of scrap material as my bottom layer.  I use double sided tape on the piece I'm cutting and attach it to the scrap layer on both the piece I'm going to use as well as the piece I'm cutting out.  This way once you complete the circle cut, nothing will move.

Also, do not use the flush cutting bit for this - you should use a 1/4" diameter (not shank size) double fluted straight bit (no bearing).  These are made to cut through material and disperse the sawdust much easier than a pattern bit.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 24, 2019, 03:48:15 pm
Brilliant!  Thanks Javery!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on July 26, 2019, 03:58:20 am
Just spent two days (on and off) reading through this whole thread.

I'm awe-struck at how this is turning out. The detail you are putting into your posts is really appreciated. I've made one cabinet a few years ago and I'm just building up the courage to start on my second - the new and improved v2.0 (the wood is getting delivered this afternoon!!!). However, your post initially nearly made me not bother as I'm never going to get anywhere near the quality that you are producing!

Just a quick question on your arduino and the LEDs. How is it managing to sweep through the LEDs with patterns like that? Is each individual LED addressable or something? I've only used the basic strips before with 4 wires attached (RGB and power)?

I'm now going to continue to watch this thread with interest and learn from the masters on here. This whole project is incredibly inspiring. Although it may just put me off posting pictures of my build as I've only got a garden table, a set square and a battered old jigsaw to work with! :-)

Thanks Arroyo for your great work and good luck for the rest of the project!

Cheers

John :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: yamatetsu on July 26, 2019, 06:43:42 am
This whole project is incredibly inspiring. Although it may just put me off posting pictures of my build as I've only got a garden table, a set square and a battered old jigsaw to work with! :-)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=318096;image)

This was done with a jigsaw, a corded drill and a palm sander. My workbench was a piece of wood clamped to two sawhorses. You don't need fancy tools to make something cool, it just takes more time and maybe a bit more imagination. It helps immensely to have the wood precut into rectangles so that you have got your straight lines already and use the jigsaw for curves.

So, no excuses for not posting your build pics  ;) There are a ton of people here who may help you if you have problems, you might get new ideas concerning the design. My cab would have looked very different had I just built it without posting here.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on July 26, 2019, 06:50:17 am
My first build was done borrowing a circular saw. I owned a cordless screwdriver and I worked on milk crates. I took my time and I borrowed heavily from Lusid's design. I wasn't on any forum then. I knew nothing about woodworking. The cab looked good. It was basic but everything was straight and square. It cost almost nothing to build. It looked good and it functioned well until I had to disassemble it to make room for my mother in laws garbage, I mean stuff.

Go ahead and post your build.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 26, 2019, 07:31:11 am
I have the small and medium sized Jasper circle jigs
https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4)

These work pretty good.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 26, 2019, 11:07:55 am
However, your post initially nearly made me not bother as I'm never going to get anywhere near the quality that you are producing!

That's kind of you to say, but like the other guys said, please post.  Javeryh mentioned it on another thread but we can all learn from each other, both in successes and failures.  I can't tell you how many times I've picked up a one-off idea from reading someone's build thread.  I've been reading daily on here for about 2 years and almost every day I learn something new.

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Just a quick question on your arduino and the LEDs. How is it managing to sweep through the LEDs with patterns like that? Is each individual LED addressable or something? I've only used the basic strips before with 4 wires attached (RGB and power)?

Like you guessed they are addressable LED's.  While there are a number of standards out there the most common are the WS2811,WS2812, & WS2812b.  They are all the same protocol, with minor difference that in all practical purposes are the same.  The typical 4 wire LED's don't have any chips in them to control each LED (there are some 4 wire addressable LED's FYI), most addressable LED's are 3 wire for Power, Ground, and data.  The Arduino (and Ultimarc Nano as well) send the "data" to tell each one to turn on or off.  The Arduino is much more DIY (write your own code/copy library code) but incredibly flexible.  The Nano is more plug and play but limited to 20RGB LED's (60 single color).

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I'm now going to continue to watch this thread with interest and learn from the masters on here.

I learned a lot from going through the "hall of fame worthy" thread:  Hall of Fame (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,103103.0.html) .  While it hasn't been kept up to include a lot of incredible projects in the last few years it does have a ton of good stuff.  I'd list my opinion of some of the master builders but it would inherently come up short.  Just read a lot is all I can say.

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Although it may just put me off posting pictures of my build as I've only got a garden table, a set square and a battered old jigsaw to work with! :-)

So far I think I will be able to do 90%+ with just a jigsaw, router and a straight edge.  My Router cost $69, and the jigsaw $60 at home depot, so you don't have to spend a lot of money. And again POST, I'll be looking out for it!

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 26, 2019, 11:13:02 am
I have the small and medium sized Jasper circle jigs
https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4)

I looked at that, but my Router (RYOBI Model # R1631K), doesn't show up on the compatibility list, unless I am missing something.....Damn I wish I had researched my router's more.  I'm sure I will break down at some point and buy a Porter Cable. ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on July 27, 2019, 04:06:14 am
This whole project is incredibly inspiring. Although it may just put me off posting pictures of my build as I've only got a garden table, a set square and a battered old jigsaw to work with! :-)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=318096;image)

This was done with a jigsaw, a corded drill and a palm sander. My workbench was a piece of wood clamped to two sawhorses. You don't need fancy tools to make something cool, it just takes more time and maybe a bit more imagination. It helps immensely to have the wood precut into rectangles so that you have got your straight lines already and use the jigsaw for curves.

So, no excuses for not posting your build pics  ;) There are a ton of people here who may help you if you have problems, you might get new ideas concerning the design. My cab would have looked very different had I just built it without posting here.

Wow! That looks amazing! I am *definitely* going to be posting here with my build - I've learnt a load of new stuff just in the last week or two as I've read through various threads.

My first build was done borrowing a circular saw. I owned a cordless screwdriver and I worked on milk crates. I took my time and I borrowed heavily from Lusid's design. I wasn't on any forum then. I knew nothing about woodworking. The cab looked good. It was basic but everything was straight and square. It cost almost nothing to build. It looked good and it functioned well until I had to disassemble it to make room for my mother in laws garbage, I mean stuff.

Go ahead and post your build.

Yep, I'm going to post it Mike. And I have been reading your posts with interest on the woodworking side. I was literally just looking at that stand you made for your aquarium! It's really interesting seeing how you put it all together.

I just borrowed my mates small "pocket hole" jig as I'm going to have a go at that.

Unfortunately I'm rained off this weekend - living in Scotland we are certainly NOT guaranteed the decent weather - unless you're stuck at work and then it seems that the sun will blaze away just fine. :-(

Anyway - I don't want to hijack this thread as I'll start my own when the time comes - however, I just wanted to thank you all for your kind words and encouragement and reassure you that I will be starting my build at some point in August all-being-well and so will definitely take you up on your kind offers of help :-)


Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on July 27, 2019, 04:15:53 am
However, your post initially nearly made me not bother as I'm never going to get anywhere near the quality that you are producing!

That's kind of you to say, but like the other guys said, please post.  Javeryh mentioned it on another thread but we can all learn from each other, both in successes and failures.  I can't tell you how many times I've picked up a one-off idea from reading someone's build thread.  I've been reading daily on here for about 2 years and almost every day I learn something new.

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Just a quick question on your arduino and the LEDs. How is it managing to sweep through the LEDs with patterns like that? Is each individual LED addressable or something? I've only used the basic strips before with 4 wires attached (RGB and power)?

Like you guessed they are addressable LED's.  While there are a number of standards out there the most common are the WS2811,WS2812, & WS2812b.  They are all the same protocol, with minor difference that in all practical purposes are the same.  The typical 4 wire LED's don't have any chips in them to control each LED (there are some 4 wire addressable LED's FYI), most addressable LED's are 3 wire for Power, Ground, and data.  The Arduino (and Ultimarc Nano as well) send the "data" to tell each one to turn on or off.  The Arduino is much more DIY (write your own code/copy library code) but incredibly flexible.  The Nano is more plug and play but limited to 20RGB LED's (60 single color).

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I'm now going to continue to watch this thread with interest and learn from the masters on here.

I learned a lot from going through the "hall of fame worthy" thread:  Hall of Fame (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,103103.0.html) .  While it hasn't been kept up to include a lot of incredible projects in the last few years it does have a ton of good stuff.  I'd list my opinion of some of the master builders but it would inherently come up short.  Just read a lot is all I can say.

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Although it may just put me off posting pictures of my build as I've only got a garden table, a set square and a battered old jigsaw to work with! :-)

So far I think I will be able to do 90%+ with just a jigsaw, router and a straight edge.  My Router cost $69, and the jigsaw $60 at home depot, so you don't have to spend a lot of money. And again POST, I'll be looking out for it!

Thanks for getting back to me Arroyo. I'd not heard of those LEDs before. I've used an Arduino once before (it was a Christmas prezzie from an old mate of mine) and I'm fine with the programming side of things so would love to go down that route for my build.

I'll have a read of the Hall of Fame thread you posted (thanks for the link). The wood arrived yesterday so I'm itching to start but I don't want to go off half-cocked.... I'm also going to look for a router today and see how much they are. I'm really kicking myself as about ten years ago my mate gave me a router for nothing. He works in a big shed shop (B&Q in the UK) and they had a load of spare stock and they gave them away for £1 !! He bought one and gave it to me. It sat in the shed for about 5 years gathering dust as I had absolutely no idea what it was used for. It just looked like a lump of metal to me! Eventually I tried to sell it and couldn't so I threw it away during a clean up!!! (Yes - I'm an idiot!!!).

Oh well... live and learn.

Your posts are invaluable for learning as you are posting the process along with the parts where you end up down a blind alley and have to re-think things. This is what I'm really liking about this thread. It isn't just - I've decided to build this - ta-daaaa!!! All done!!! It's the "I tried it this way, but the problem i found was x - so I then changed to this way and that worked because of y" etc.... Look forward to reading more as you do more work on the system.

Thanks again for your help, encouragement and inspiration! Keep up the great work :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 27, 2019, 09:22:28 am
I have the small and medium sized Jasper circle jigs
https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4 (https://www.amazon.com/Jasper-270J-Router-Circle-Cutting/dp/B00009K77B/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=jasper+circle+jig&qid=1564140584&s=gateway&sr=8-4)

I looked at that, but my Router (RYOBI Model # R1631K), doesn't show up on the compatibility list, unless I am missing something.....Damn I wish I had researched my router's more.  I'm sure I will break down at some point and buy a Porter Cable. ;D

I'd be surprised if it didn't fit.. but buying and returning is a pain.  If there is a Woodcraft Store near you - they usually have them on the shelf and you can check.    I've had good luck with the Jasper jigs..
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2019, 09:25:59 am
I love Woodcraft stores. The closest one to me is an hour away. I took a couple of woodworking classes there.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 29, 2019, 10:59:41 am
I worked at Woodcraft part time (3.5 hours a week to be exact) for 6/7 years..
The employee discount was excellent..  hence .. a full shop of tools..
It is a really good store..  all woodworkers with different areas of expertise..
Well worth getting stuff there to keep them around -
all but a couple of the stores are franchises.. so they are locally owned.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 29, 2019, 08:04:26 pm
Thanks for the tips boys!

Continuing on this Sunday, got some time to keep at it.

Worked on cutting out the lower box.  The build will be comprised of two ďboxesĒ.  A lower half that will contain the majority of the electronics, and the upper which will house the Marquee and speakers, etc.  The two boxes will then be joined by the sides.

So I wanted to work on the lower box and managed to get the ďsidesĒ cut out.  Did my usual method which I believe I have over documented at this point.   The only thing I thought I would show is handling inside sharp angels.  The router bit can only cut rounded interior cuts so I used the Jig saw and a straight edge to cut those last bits of wood:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378322;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378323;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378324;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378325;image)

Turned out well. 

Hereís the two sides cut out with the Monitor support on top being precariously balanced together by the saw horse:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378326;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378327;image)
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378328;image)

The bottom curve of the sides is purposely not finished as I will wait until I can bend the front door to a curve.  Once thatís done I will use the pattern bit to cut the curve flush with the wood on the curved front door.  BTW itís not really a door just not sure what else to call it :dunno

Also tried cutting out the funky pieces for the Marquee.  Got all cuts finished except for one of the shortest ones and decided to go back to the sticky tape method as the clamps would have to be to close together on the straight edge that the router wouldnít be able to make any cuts:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378329;image)

So I double taped the straight bit of wood and well I didnít tape enough as the piece moved on my cut.  So I ended up cutting too much into the piece.  I figured no big deal I will take all the effort I did and pattern cut a new one but leave that one side with the error and correct it on the new pieceÖÖWell I got so in the zone with the pattern cutting that I patterned over the bad side :angry:
Just a good lesson that less is more, and rushing things just to get something done NEVER ends well.

Iím tired of smelling like Iíve lived in the woods for two yearsÖÖ..just kidding Iíd swim in this stuff if it was social acceptable ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 29, 2019, 08:23:52 pm
Nice tight joints  :)
Keep sneaking that time in!!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on July 30, 2019, 03:47:13 am
Nice update! I cringe when I see you in those flip-flops and not boots/shoes or something that will stop you never being able to play "this little piggy" ever again..... Please don't drop anything!  ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on July 30, 2019, 03:27:30 pm
Nice update! I cringe when I see you in those flip-flops and not boots/shoes or something that will stop you never being able to play "this little piggy" ever again..... Please don't drop anything!  ;)

At least I cut out the beers! :o   I'm doing all the cutting under a carport that is awesome protection against the 94įF that it was on Sunday.  In those conditions flip flops and shorts are a must!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on July 30, 2019, 03:53:08 pm
I have to say.. that troubled me too a bit..  maybe boat shoes...  Just in case..
 :o
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on July 30, 2019, 05:04:06 pm
I must have missed the bit about why that notch is in the side there. I'm guessing all will be revealed in time.

Love all the advice in the thread and you throwing stuff out there. I'm trying to follow the advice on only using the router for cleanup. Especially now that I have a jigsaw. The router still makes me nervous, but I found I'm really loving getting used to the jigsaw. And guess which one I've had the most mishaps with?! The one I'm most comfortable with, of course!

I envy that Emerson straight edge clamp. If I had known about that before starting, I would've ran out and got one. But now I'm nearing the end of woodworking, way over budget, and getting close to rainy season. Maybe for my next project!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Ond on July 30, 2019, 05:30:13 pm
NCW.  NCW = Nice Clean Work.  It takes effort and pride to get the NCW.  Keep up the great work buddy.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on July 31, 2019, 10:45:11 am
Very clean! This is going to turn out excellent!

Nice update! I cringe when I see you in those flip-flops and not boots/shoes or something that will stop you never being able to play "this little piggy" ever again..... Please don't drop anything!  ;)

At least I cut out the beers! :o   I'm doing all the cutting under a carport that is awesome protection against the 94įF that it was on Sunday.  In those conditions flip flops and shorts are a must!

Ah! That California work boot!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: MiteWiseacre on July 31, 2019, 12:49:35 pm
You probably already know this, not your first build Iím sure, but donít do what I did and make sharp inside corners then try to apply T Moulding. From what you wrote this is internal structure?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 01, 2019, 02:08:37 pm
@bperkins & uptown47 - Would it help to know that the shirts off too?

@gingecko - You can probably tell by post #241 (last picture), but the plan for the notch/gap is to allow the LED strip to have a feed/remove hole if they blow.  It might make more sense to look at the below picture:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378383;image)

The white area I traced out from the printout, as that will be routed down roughly 1/4" where the Acrylic will be mounted.  The LED strip will sit behind it to give a glow effect.  The Acrylic is frosted so it will reflect the light, just as the lighting was done for the control box a few pages back.  The LED's are addressable and that was so I can play with some animation and effects.  They won't be rainbow colors, just one color actually to fit the theme, but I wanted to be able to control each LED to leave the options open.  Oh and the straight edge clamp has become the 2nd most important thing I've bought.  Very versatile.

@OND - Hey we can't all be OND, but we can try  ;).  Hey uptown47, you wanna see a master builder, go lookup OND's stuff. OFF. THE. CHARTS.

@Vigo - Cheers Bud, you gotta try that CA work boot, all the hip kids are doing it!

@MiteWiseacre - Thanks for the heads up, yeah no T-moulding on that, but instead it will be laminated, which I am sure will present it's own challenges.  That angle won't be internal actually, but it will probably make more sense once I can start fitting pieces together.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 01, 2019, 02:21:56 pm
Something I'm fretting about as the decisions are piling up in my head.  When I fit together the pieces above for the Monitor/Control Panel mount I panicked a bit about the control panel height.  I always knew it was going to be a bit on the high side, but I had tested it on my Tempest that I bought which is about the same at 40" for Players 1 & 2 and probably 40.5" for Players 3 & 4.  Looks like most panels are closer to 38" (I'm measuring from the floor to the base of the joystick, or bottom of the buttons).

I've been playing in Sketchup and unless I want to make major changes the best option would be to cut the bottom of the sides and pieces above.  This changes the proportions of the overall machine slightly although I was only going to go for 1-1.5" so not too dramatic. 

Any experience with using panels at 40"?  I'm 5'11" for reference.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on August 01, 2019, 02:22:33 pm
@bperkins & uptown47 - Would it help to know that the shirts off too?

Oh and the straight edge clamp has become the 2nd most important thing I've bought.  Very versatile.

@OND - Hey we can't all be OND, but we can try  ;).  Hey uptown47, you wanna see a master builder, go lookup OND's stuff. OFF. THE. CHARTS.

Not having the shirt on just means the paramedics have less to cut off you after the inevitable accident :-)

I'll have a look at OND's stuff. Unfortunately, this week has been a bit of a nightmare with other jobs that have cropped up. Today I just picked up a new cistern as I need to repair the toilet! I've also got shelves to put up. The LEDs have packed in on the stairs (used to light the stairs up), the headlight bulb in my car needed changing, blah blah.... however, when all this calms down I'm back on it.

I've been scoping out what stuff I need for my build and I'm just waiting on a reply back from Andy (Ultimarc) to clear a few things up then I'll be pushing the button and buying the exciting stuff!!!

Due to you, I've bought myself a straight edge clamp AND a router!! Both arriving tomorrow!! I knew I shouldn't have opened this thread........ :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 01, 2019, 04:36:04 pm
Thanks! Yea, now I mostly understand it.

The more I think about that straight edge clamp, the more I want it. I just remembered the chore it's been to set wood on the sawhorses, get my saw-guide lined up, start to clamp down, and nope...have to readjust everything as the clamp wouldn't reach the sawhorse and the board! Clamping to the underside of the board sounds like it would be way more useful. Plus it's probably lighter than the melamine saw guide I made myself. Payday was today...so maybe it's time! What size clamp did you get? [Nevermind, looks like 55" in the pic] Any regrets about it being too big?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 01, 2019, 04:52:17 pm
Any regrets about it being too big?

Yup 55", no regrets, I almost went for the 99" but that seemed like it would be cumbersome, particularly on smaller cuts.  They have a "3 pack" on Amazon of different sizes, but so far I've been able to get every cut I need using the 55".  Keep one thing in mind, to use the built in clamps the wood sides need to be in parallel, like a square.  Meaning you couldn't for example use the clamps on a triangle.  In those situations I use my Dewalt clamps like I was on the other straight edges (you can see an example in the pictures above).
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: J_K_M_A_N on August 01, 2019, 05:00:14 pm
Something I'm fretting about as the decisions are piling up in my head.  When I fit together the pieces above for the Monitor/Control Panel mount I panicked a bit about the control panel height.  I always knew it was going to be a bit on the high side, but I had tested it on my Tempest that I bought which is about the same at 40" for Players 1 & 2 and probably 40.5" for Players 3 & 4.  Looks like most panels are closer to 38" (I'm measuring from the floor to the base of the joystick, or bottom of the buttons).

I've been playing in Sketchup and unless I want to make major changes the best option would be to cut the bottom of the sides and pieces above.  This changes the proportions of the overall machine slightly although I was only going to go for 1-1.5" so not too dramatic. 

Any experience with using panels at 40"?  I'm 5'11" for reference.

I recently played an original Donkey Kong and I was surprised at how short it was. But I am 6'1" now and when I played it years ago, I was shorter. After playing that, I decided that if I build a full size machine, I want the CP higher than that one is (I think it is like only 36" high?). I have not messed around yet to see what height I would want though.

J_K_M_A_N
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 01, 2019, 05:03:27 pm
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Any regrets about it being too big?
:o
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 01, 2019, 05:30:59 pm
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Any regrets about it being too big?
:o

It can never be too big.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 02, 2019, 12:32:05 am
Yep, I set that one up!

As I was about to pull the trigger on the Emerson, I got another idea. Will hold off on that one right now.

As for Control Panel height...I ended up cutting an inch shorter so that the wife can play too. It's now about 37" from ground to top of control panel. If it was just me, I would've stuck at 38", and I'm about 5'10" when not slouching.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 07, 2019, 12:10:47 pm
Thank you J_K_M_A_N, and gingecko for the input.  After debating on it for some time and modeling endlessly in SketchUp, I decided I would cut 1.5" off the bottom which brings the control panel height to 38.5".  It oddly balances the ratio of below control panel and above control panel heights better than before, so I think it actually improves the profile of the machine.

Didn't get any time to work this last weekend, but I should this weekend.  For now it's drawing lines and sit and wait:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378454;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 13, 2019, 10:34:44 am
Got some time again on Sunday and a little yesterday.  Decided to tackle the base as I would like to be able to start assembling the lower half soon.  I bought some casters from Penn-Elcom as they were rated to handle a heavy load.  The metal frame on them is 3.25Ē so I was grappling in the design phase on how I would mount them.  I came across 3.5Ē redwood while looking around home depot and thought it would be perfect so I grabbed the default 10ft. piece:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378583;image)

I thought this would also help to add weight to the base to lower the center of gravityÖjust in case.

My usual techniques failed as a jig saw cannot cut through as the blade starts to bounce on the wood itís not able to cut on the downstroke, started to get unruly.  I had borrowed a co-workers very basic circular saw with a very old blade and figured screw it:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378576;image)

Cuts didnít come out too bad:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378577;image)

But the blade wasnít long enough to make the cut on one or even two goes, so I had to repeat the above on all 4 sides.  Got me my rough cut and then it was off to routing for a smooth edgeÖÖerrr:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378578;image)

As you can tell I could have really used a good table saw or circular saw as it became a pain in the ass to cut, lower, cut, lower, flip, change bit, cut, raise, cut raise.  Doing this for 4 pieces and 2 sides each translated to the better part of the morning/afternoon.  I did get my dimensions right and did have clean surfaces so thatís a plus:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378579;image)

Next was routing out the necessary areas to fit the castor.  I struggled with this for awhile as it took quite a long time drawing circles for me to realize that the caster frame wasn't actually a circle but was straight near the edges.  So as I was short on time and because I wanted to get something done and this wasnít going to be something anyone would see I decided to trace the outline as best as possible and freehand a template.  Didnít come out too bad:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378580;image)

Placed the template on top of the piece:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378581;image)

which presented an issue setting up a stable cut, so this was the best I could come up with:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378585;image)

Could really have used a nice vice, but this worked:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378586;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378587;image)

Routed the other piece:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378588;image)

Was pumped to put it together:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378589;image)

Dooohh!!

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378590;image)

Oh yeah it has bolts, duh.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378591;image)

Cut some more out free hand and finally got what I was looking for:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378592;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378593;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378594;image)

Thatís was far as I could get before the clock ran out.  One thing Iíve noticed is that the redwood is softer and is more easily dented, and chips easier when routing.  Overall I think it will work well but I donít think I would use it for anything that you would have visible on the outside of a cab.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 13, 2019, 10:51:43 am
 Nice work.

I am interested to see how this will all come together...Especially since it has to be done by early December. :bat
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on August 13, 2019, 10:58:16 am
Great update as usual.

I bought these casters for my build:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B017GLWKXK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But yours look sooo much better. It seems like it's all starting to come together now. Looking forward to the next update :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 13, 2019, 11:00:23 am
Nice to get some shop time in!

May need to add a chop saw to the tool stable...   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 13, 2019, 11:49:54 am
Those are sweet castors, where did you get them? Adding those things is way trickier/time consuming than I expected, so I'm glad I at least got that part done.

Looking good!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 13, 2019, 06:10:15 pm
...Especially since it has to be done by early December. :bat

Yeeaaahhh about that, you wouldn't have a time machine handy would ya?

May need to add a chop saw to the tool stable...   :applaud:

I know I am probably embarrassing you right now Master Kenobi.  I promise I'll do better.

I bought these casters for my build:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B017GLWKXK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But yours look sooo much better.

Those look like they'll work just fine.  I don't think there's any rule on this sort of thing, just whatever works for your requirements.

Those are sweet castors, where did you get them?

Cheers Bud.  They're from Penn-Elcom, link here:  Penn-Elcom Heavy Duty Recessed Castor W8075 (https://www.penn-elcom.com/default.asp?PN=W8075&LG=EN)

You have to call them to get it in black.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 13, 2019, 09:14:24 pm
You are doing great work - keep it up!


Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 14, 2019, 01:07:49 am
Nice that the wheels are enclosed and they have screw holes all over the edges. Sure would make mounting a lot easier!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 19, 2019, 12:04:18 pm
Managed to get the base built.

Here are the leg levelers (Twisted Quarter off E-Bay) that I am using opposite the castors:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378699;image)

Actually thought about posting this pic for help but after thinking about it more I realized the adjustable bolt should be below the plate, like the one on the left.

These are the braces Iím using that I found at Home Depot.  Only problem was they werenít designed with screws in mind, but rather for large bolts.  So I used the drill press to cut holes and then the countersink to get it flush with the #10 screws that I am using (2.5Ē long). 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378686;image)

I got the good tip from bperkins to make sure the screws cover 75% of the width of the material, that was helpful info.  I used large clamps I bought to hold everything together while drilling and screwing.

An issue that I had was that the leg levelers if mounted directly to the wood would end up being higher up than the castor wheels.  So I needed to route down wood and lower the mounting plates.

Probably didnít need to be this accurate, but I figured screw it, why not make it pretty and build a template:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378687;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378688;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378689;image)

Double sided sticky tape and it came out good:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378690;image)

Used a chisel to make those rounded corners fit a right angle so the mounting plate would fit.

Next was drilling out the hole for the bolts.  Setup a support for the wood and used the drill press (forstner bit) for a straight plunge:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378691;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378695;image)

And done:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378696;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378697;image)


Jumped up and down on it a number of times just to make sure and it feels rock solid.  The leg leveler mounting plates and castor plates act as additional reinforcement in addition to the braces.

I also managed to cut a number of rectangles and fix the height issue by lopping off the roughly 1.5Ē off the bottom of the side pieces.  Wonít bother posting pics of rectanglesÖ..unless BYOAC is THAT boring todayÖhehe.

Iím keeping track of progress in SketchUp to see whatís been cut (in green), and what is outstandingÖÖgetting there:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378698;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 19, 2019, 12:21:08 pm
Niiiice. Great looking base.

So you used double sided sticky tape to hold your jig in place while routing? I'd be worried that my router would fling that through the neighbor's window. Mine is such a beast, I want to get a nice palm router for smaller jobs someday.

I've been keeping my ToDo list in a Google doc and breaking it down by section/tasks. Works decent enough for me. I like your visual diagram checklist though. Looks like you're 2/3 of the way there?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 19, 2019, 12:35:41 pm
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Looks like you're 2/3 of the way there?
:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 19, 2019, 01:20:00 pm
So you used double sided sticky tape to hold your jig in place while routing?

It's actually 3M Scotch double sided mounting tape.  It's stupid strong, so strong in fact I have a tough time separating it after I'm done with the template.  I avoid using it if possible as it's more time intensive to setup, and it can take a small amount of material off when you remove it (just a few fibers, sometimes more (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=377954;image)).

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I like your visual diagram checklist though. Looks like you're 2/3 of the way there?

In my head the things already built.  When I walk into the garage it feels like I just started.  I am getting faster though, and the wife is freeing me up more for time.  I've actually considered taking time off of work just to move this thing along :o
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 19, 2019, 01:21:20 pm
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I've actually considered taking time off of work just to move this thing along :o

You are taking your first steps toward the dark side. Don't look back.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 19, 2019, 01:24:35 pm
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I've actually considered taking time off of work just to move this thing along :o

You are taking your first steps toward the dark side. Don't look back.

You know you are getting old when this sounds better than a weekend in Vegas.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 19, 2019, 01:28:04 pm
Ok.  Funny.  Iím on a plane at this moment.  To Vegas. 
Business trip
Nice work! 
I use double stick tape all the time. Iíll send a link to the stuff I use.  Perfect for woodworking and holding Templates



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on August 19, 2019, 02:29:05 pm
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I've actually considered taking time off of work just to move this thing along :o

You are taking your first steps toward the dark side. Don't look back.

You know you are getting old when this sounds better than a weekend in Vegas.

Ha ha!! Yep, I can identify with that... I was watching a mucky film last week on pornhub and paused it so I could take a closer look at how nice the coffee table looked....

Great update as always Arroyo :)
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Post by: javeryh on August 19, 2019, 03:45:59 pm
Wow sick - talk about attention to detail.  Love it.   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 19, 2019, 04:44:42 pm
Pricier than I remember..
But this stuff is the perfect balance of double stick tape - not so thick that it creates a gap, yet not so thin that it can't stick to wood grain.

I use it all the time for template routing - in fact - if you use too much - it can get difficult to pry stuff apart.
https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodworking-tape-1-x-50 (https://www.woodcraft.com/products/woodworking-tape-1-x-50)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 26, 2019, 11:36:28 am
Well Yots, you wanted the wallet opened, howís this?: :o

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378799;image)

Bought the suggested track saw from bperkins, and broke the bad news to the wife (better to beg for forgiveness?)

Itís lived up to all the hype and more.  I cut out 4 pieces with detail in the time I would normally cut 2.  In addition I took MikeAís advice and bought a good Shop Vac (so sick of wasting time sweeping dust and getting it everywhere).

Hereís a sample of the saw cut:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378800;image)

The best part about the saw is you just lay the track on your line, flip on the saw, and youíre done in 15 seconds.  I really should have bought this from the beginning, it would have saved a ton of time.

It also let me cut the important angle pieces that I was dreading:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378801;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378802;image)

Itís really easy to do with the saw, just change the angle, line it up, and go.  One thing about cutting those angels though, make sure you cut anything in the middle of the piece first otherwise you may have trouble clamping:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378803;image)

I got lucky and found the scrap from my angle cut out and came up with the above fix so that I could
cut out the holes for the hand holds:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378804;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378805;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378806;image)

Test fit some pieces and was really happy everything is nice and tight:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378809;image)

Finished up by cutting out the coin door.  I noticed that some people didnít cut the rounded edges and sometimes the corners of the cut would show behind the coin door.  So I busted out the compass:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378810;image)

And used the saw again cause any excuse I could find I did.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378811;image)

Then finished off the corners by hand routing following the marked out curve (couldnít figure out a better way to do this):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378812;image)

Done:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378813;image)

The only pieces left (besides the control panel), are the curve support pieces, (so that I can attempt to kerf the coin door front) and control panel triangle pieces.  Thereís also the monitor mounts, and the angled cuts for the supports (I might save that for later), and then itís start putting this thing together.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 26, 2019, 11:50:52 am
Now that's some fine woodworking.  :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 26, 2019, 11:54:10 am
Lookin good.
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Post by: Laythe on August 26, 2019, 11:14:10 pm
Beautiful!  Love those angles.   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on August 27, 2019, 04:55:58 am
The cuts from that saw look perfect! Great update.

Are you going to make the coin slots actually 'work' (i.e. add a credit to the machine) or are they just for show?

:-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on August 27, 2019, 03:06:24 pm
Dude.  Holy crap.  It looks great.   :cheers:

Also, I think you just convinced me to buy the circular saw and the guide thing.  I'm so sick of jigsaw + pattern bit on the router to cut anything straight.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on August 27, 2019, 03:35:16 pm
Circular saw and guide is a great combo for keeping things on-the-cheap.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 27, 2019, 04:03:03 pm
Man these things are a labor of love, but I'm really glad I didn't just buy a cabinet.  I've learned so much by taking on this project, and the support and knowledge from all you folks is priceless.

@bperkins - namaste my man.  Your council continues to keep me on track.

@Mikey - That Shop Vac saved ---my bottom---, good call.  This things gonna be show ready for December  :laugh:

@Laythe - Cheers, although from watching your project looks like cutting wood is just half the battle.  It's a long way to go (I'm still taking notes BTW).

@uptown47 - Yes, actually I originally had dedicated coin buttons but scrapped them.  I want people to have to put a coin in to get the original feel.  But I'll put in a button combo so I (and a few other insiders) don't have to every time.

@javery- Do it, you won't regret it.  Saves time and hassle, so you know, you can get back to your projects  ;)

@opt2not - Yup that would be cheaper for sure.  Only difference is you'd have to measure out the offset and draw the line, which adds some time/potential for accuracy issues, but yeah a lot cheaper.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on August 27, 2019, 06:42:00 pm
I went the make your own sawboard route. For ease of use, itís been awesome. Slap it down on the edge of the line and cut away. Iím not sure it was ever very accurate, but since I finally learned how to check a board edge for straightness, I found out after all this use, itís far from it. I used a melamine board for the sawboard, which could potentially get dinged up and might also be why itís not so straight. But I like to think I was careful with it.

But really to get straight cuts, something like that tracksaw with metal guides is gotta be where itís at. I had figured my circular saw would be my primary cutting tool, but seems like I get much better results from the jigsaw and router.

Making angled cuts on my sawboard, like you did, was just about impossible. I think I really discovered the imperfections while troubleshooting an angled cut I was trying to make.

Kudos on your purchase and this can only mean that we will expect even more cabs after this one!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 27, 2019, 08:16:25 pm
Kudos on your purchase and this can only mean that we will expect even more cabs after this one!

Iíve got at least three more in my head, and two restorations :cheers:.

Ad∑dict:
noun

to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively....



Yup thatís me.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on August 28, 2019, 05:03:25 am
@uptown47 - Yes, actually I originally had dedicated coin buttons but scrapped them.  I want people to have to put a coin in to get the original feel.  But I'll put in a button combo so I (and a few other insiders) don't have to every time.

Sounds good. I built a fruit machine a year or two ago and it has a working coin mechanism for coins and it pays out in £1's and 10p's (UK) depending on how much you win. It all works brilliantly. I did consider adding a coin mech to my upcoming cabinet but have decided against it and prefer to go down the route of just a button... but now you've got me thinking and I might just see if there's room to put one in and then do the same as you and have a button as well. :-) :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 28, 2019, 06:36:07 am
I have the coin door - when I'm first "teaching" someone to use the machine - they are all dumbfounded..

Show them the scroll / select buttons... (blank stare)...
Get them to select the game...  (blank stare)...
Explain the controls that are lit up are the ones for the game... (blank stare)..
Game doesn't work w/o a quarter...  (Show them the quarters I keep up on the ledge next to the screen)
   ...  That will get more of the oh (duh look)
Press the start button .. ok I kinda remember that..
Then they remember playing the game from years ago..

..  Then I show them the *hidden* coin button..

I love the coin door



Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on August 28, 2019, 06:55:02 am
Dude.  Holy crap.  It looks great.   :cheers:

Also, I think you just convinced me to buy the circular saw and the guide thing.  I'm so sick of jigsaw + pattern bit on the router to cut anything straight.

Been seriously looking over circular guide options for a while. This is a great example of quality work with one. Wonder how it compares in ease of use to a clamp on guide.

Arroyo, how you enjoying that Festool brand? I never tried anything from them before.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on August 28, 2019, 07:05:26 am
You are going to want to take out a second mortgage if you want to buy Festool.

In my opinion they are not worth the extra money. I used their stuff at a woodworking class I attended.

Their circular saw is like 400 bucks.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Alejo I on August 28, 2019, 08:24:02 am
Festool is too rich for my blood, but Dominos are the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

They probably make a ton of sense for arcade building, too.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 28, 2019, 08:38:16 am
I love the Festool stuff..  Agreed it is super expensive..  Its like a Mercedes...  You can only complain about the price..

The track saw is special IMHO..  The sanders are great too..  Some of the other stuff I would not get (drills, etc)
Of all their tools - its the only one I would pay retail for..  (I worked at Woodcraft a number of years ago .. Festool provided discounts to us back then..  The discounts got the tools from ridiculous down to expensive) 

But if my track saw disappeared - I'd get it again.
I've done some research and all of the copycats are not quite there..  but... it is at a premium.. no doubt about that.

 

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on August 28, 2019, 10:10:08 am
I love the Festool stuff..  Agreed it is super expensive..  Its like a Mercedes...  You can only complain about the price..

The track saw is special IMHO..  The sanders are great too..  Some of the other stuff I would not get (drills, etc)
Of all their tools - its the only one I would pay retail for..  (I worked at Woodcraft a number of years ago .. Festool provided discounts to us back then..  The discounts got the tools from ridiculous down to expensive) 

But if my track saw disappeared - I'd get it again.
I've done some research and all of the copycats are not quite there..  but... it is at a premium.. no doubt about that.

Kreg makes a 48" guide for $80.  Can be used with most any saw.  I've been thinking about pulling the trigger but I'll probably wait until I think I'll actually need to use it.  The pocket jig thing they make is good but I wonder how good the saw guide will work (also I can't tell if you can make angled cuts (accurately).  I assume you can angle the saw blade but it might create a small gap between the edge of the guide and the line you are trying to cut.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on August 28, 2019, 10:16:19 am
I went back to the store and asked about the Kreg guide because I was curious..
The guys told me it was not so good..  granted... they were judging it against the Festool which is the standard by which all track saws are judged.
But goodness is in the eye of the beholder...

If you make bevel/angle cuts with the Festool saw - it cuts perfectly on the line.  The track thickness is designed into it.. It cuts on the line.. period.
A regular track with a regular saw will cut on the line at 90 deg (of course)...  but they will have gaps when creating bevel cuts..
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 28, 2019, 11:28:17 am
The Shop Vac has allowed me to work in the garage as dust was such an issue in there I stopped a long time ago.  This means I can get some work done during the week!

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378836;image)

I needed to cut the support pieces (blue arrow) for the curve below the coin door so that it can match the curve on the side panels:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378837;image)

Printed first and traced:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378838;image)

Used my bender board and brackets again:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378839;image)

(Had to trace again to the left of the one to the right to capture the support of the brace on the right).

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378840;image)

Needed the router table for this one as I donít know how else you would cut thisÖ..

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378841;image)

Second pass on the back side with a straight piece of wood (cut most with a jig saw first of course):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378842;image)

Almost there:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378843;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378844;image)

Last pass on the back.

Now I use that as a template to cut 10 moreÖ..this will probably present its own challenges and if I were to design this again I would probably make this a bigger piece so that itís easier to work withÖ.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on August 28, 2019, 07:23:23 pm
Sorry for the delay, got the above out before hitting the road for work.

Arroyo, how you enjoying that Festool brand? I never tried anything from them before.

I don't have anything to compare it to other than the circular saw that I borrowed from a co-worker which I used with the straight edge (pics above on post #282).  Not having to measure the offset and account for the thickness of the blade is what makes this tool really handy.  It speeds up the process tremendously and removed any fears that I might screw up the cut.  I really like it but as has been mentioned you definitely pay for it.

(also I can't tell if you can make angled cuts (accurately).  I assume you can angle the saw blade but it might create a small gap between the edge of the guide and the line you are trying to cut.

As bperkins mentioned it is as simple as cutting the straight edges.  Lay down the track on your line, adjust your angle, and start cutting.  All of the angle cuts in the above pictures from yesterdays post were done with the machine.

I should mention that I'm cheap by nature, but it has burned me a few times in that I end up buying the same thing more than once, or a few times because it wasn't built to last.  I've also lost a lot of time and created a lot of frustration when buying cheaper stuff.  So I'm much more open to spending money if I know the product will save me time, frustration, and be built well enough to not have to buy again (at least not for a long time).

Long term I want to have a CNC machine, but even a CNC can't make the beveled cuts, or cut thin lines like the saw can for kerfing.  Therefore I figured I would put my money into this rather than a table saw, as it is:

1.) Easier to setup angled cuts, (no need to use a miter, like on a table saw).
2.) Does not require that your piece already have a straight edge to ride a fence (table saw).
3.) Virtually limitless range in cutting(most table saws have a limit on how far you can set the fence).
4.) Takes up a lot less space.
5.) Is still much cheaper than a good table saw.


Only disadvantage that I can see is working with smaller pieces a table saw would be better, and for some angle cuts (as I just found out last night/today) the table saw would probably be easier.  I plan on elaborating when I can cut and show pics.

This project has made me really evaluate what my time is worth.  If something can speed up the process to have more time with the family, work, workout, hell anything, then that is increasingly becoming very valuable.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 03, 2019, 02:56:44 pm
I realize that I start every new post with ďgot a chance to workĒ, I guess Iím just trying to keep this gravy train of time going, cause so far the wife and extended family have been really helpful in freeing me upÖ.hopefully that means they want this thing built as bad as I do.Ö.  :dunno (yeah sure).

I needed to redo the curve support piece as it wasnít quite even spacing on both sides, that and I mucked it up when trying to do a duplicate. 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378966;image)

It actually took me quite a while to figure out how I was going to make 10 more of these things.  Seemingly it was trivial, just double stick tape and use it as a template on the router.  The problem is that this piece is so small that your hands end up being really close to the 30,000rpm spinning blade.  I tried using push blocks but the piece would tilt as I put pressure and tried moving it aroundÖ..So I took a discarded straight piece that I had made a mistake on and drew out the 10 additional using the above as a trace.  Rough cut with a jig saw:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378967;image)

Then placed the template on the outline to get the proper curves (put some blocking to support as the thin part liked to move):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378968;image)

This longer piece allowed me to move it around without worrying about my hands getting chopped.

Placed that on the table blocked by another piece (check out the double stick tape graveyard):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378969;image)

Busted out my new toy:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378970;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378971;image)

Needed to separate the last bit at the thin part, so I made myself a poor manís band saw (jig saw clamped upside down):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378972;image)

Stupid amount of time to get this result:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378973;image)

Next problem was cutting some angles.  I had already done all of my miter (beveled?) cuts, and two pieces werenít aligning.  The two pieces called for 62 degree angles.  I thought I was being smart by flipping over the piece and cutting the opposite angle of 28 degrees.  The reason I was doing this is the track saw (and really any circular saw), is limited to a 45 degree angle.  Well I wasnít smart and this didnít work.  You can see the angle I cut, and after fitting it to the paired piece, the angle I needed:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378974;image)

Gave up trying to figure it out and asked for help from my usual source (thanks again buddy).  I was on the right track with opposite angle, but to get it you need to cut the piece from the top (or in the picture the left side edge).

Doing this however meant getting the pieces to sit up straight and not move.Ö.. for all you proís you might want to look away:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378975;image)

This is the best I could come up with.  The top pieces is a sheet of 4íx8í that is still mostly unused.  The piece touching it is actually the back door to the machine that I already cut, which miraculously lined up with the height of the plywood on the saw horse.   Double stick taped to the door is a piece of sacrificial plywood, and double stick taped to that is the test piece I was using for getting the cut.  Lined up the track saw to the edge, then offset 2.5mm to account for the thickness of the blade, and voila, finally got my angles:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378976;image)

Was excited to throw some pieces together:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=378977;image)

Didnít have quite enough clamps to get everything fitting tightly, but it was cool nevertheless. You can see at the bottom the curve on the sides.  Behind that coin door panel is where the curves will attach to the base, and provide the support for the coin door to curve at the bottomÖÖgetting there.



Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 03, 2019, 03:27:51 pm
Nice work. Make sure you maintain a healthy respect for that router. It will try to murder you.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 03, 2019, 03:32:39 pm
Nice work Padawan learner    :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: uptown47 on September 04, 2019, 08:02:48 am
Great update, really nice to see it coming together. :-)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on September 04, 2019, 02:21:39 pm
I'm trying to wrap my head around those curved support thingies.  What's their purpose, and why do you need 10 of them?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 04, 2019, 04:22:58 pm
I'm trying to wrap my head around those curved support thingies.  What's their purpose, and why do you need 10 of them?

So yeah, if you look at the picture below and imagine pulling the bottom of the coin door where the red arrow is towards you so that it lined up with the curve on the "sides" of the machine (blue arrow), so that they line up:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379009;image)

To bend the coin door like that I will be cutting slots into the back of the board (kerfing), so that the board will bend, and the curvy thingies will be behind that board attached to the base to support the curve:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379008;image)

Does that make sense?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 04, 2019, 05:08:59 pm
One thing that I wanted to mention was the painful learning experience of direction of the blade and thinking about how to approach a sharp angle.  Notice below the fractured tip of the triangle sides:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379010;image)

That happened because the blade was spinning in the direction away from the piece, meaning as it got closer there wasn't any support for that frail amount of wood and consequently some pieces chipped off.   This really hit home for me when trying to cut those smaller curve thingies.  Once I figured out that the direction of the spin needed to cut into the heart of the wood piece I eliminated this problem:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379011;image)

So in the picture above the blade is spinning counterclock wise, so that when the blade hits the small part of the curve thingy (see black arrow to the left), the cut is supported by the rest of the wood of the same piece.  If it were the opposite and the blade was spinning clockwise, once you get towards that tiny part it has a tendency to rip off a piece of the wood and fling it into the open air.  Hope this helps someone avoid the same mistake.

EDIT:  Perhaps I jumped the gun on this one.  This may be incorrect.  Iíll let a more experienced woodworker comment.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on September 04, 2019, 07:28:15 pm
Does that make sense?
Yes, thank you. That's clear now. Sorry, my brain must have farted.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 04, 2019, 07:41:12 pm
The cab is ribbed for his pleasure.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 04, 2019, 08:09:34 pm
I was conversing with Arroyo and suggested a way to make this w/o some of the potential for issues.

More on this idea:

(https://bperkins.files.wordpress.com/2019/09/arroyo.jpg?)

1. Cut the majority of the blank out near the curve line on an slightly oversized blank.
2. Add the template and use the router/pattern bit to cut to the exact curve - (the template would be for the curved part only obviously)..  The point is the pointy end would have a lot of backer board below it so it would not shred.
3. Slice off the bottom to create the pointy end (table saw or equal)
4. Cross cut the wide end to length..

No chances of the router bit throwing stuff.

At first I thought he was using hardwood and cutting with the router uphill against the grain..  (that would be bad)..  But its ok on plywood..

They are all made now - but trying to cut sharp points with a router scare me..
Still lovin' the progress!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 04, 2019, 08:45:48 pm
Yeah. That looked a little scary.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on September 04, 2019, 08:55:06 pm
Shoulda just got Mike to CNC those things quick for ya.  More precise, quicker, and safer.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 04, 2019, 09:40:06 pm
Shoulda just got Mike to CNC those things quick for ya.  More precise, quicker, and safer.

Now where would be the fun in that?  ;)

That would have been smarter and easier, I seem to like to do things the hard way.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 04, 2019, 09:40:37 pm
The cab is ribbed for his pleasure.

He gets it.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 09, 2019, 12:10:13 pm
God I love SketchUp.  I donít know how I would have figured out all of these angles without it.

As I had everything already setup to do so, I continued making angled cuts.  The last batch (fingers crossed) was for the monitor surround area which involved a lot of angled cuts.  One challenge was that the circular saw leaves a fair amount of material on an inside corner.  I had purchased a Makita Palm router with a tilting base to trim laminate and decided to try it out on this:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379066;image)

Actually worked really well, and it is a much better overall quality router than my Ryobi as it has speed control, tilt, and swappable bases (also has a plunge base), and vacuum hose attachments.

Finished off the inside corners with the Jigsaw tilting it to match the angle, turned out pretty well:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379067;image)

Then had to miter a number of angles on the triangle pieces, so had to come up with a solution to lay down the track saw:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379068;image)

To get this result:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379072;image)

These act as a brace to support the monitor surrounds on a tilt to match the monitor so that they are in parallel.   Hereís a pic from the back to see it all lined up:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379070;image)

And the front:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379071;image)

Also mitered the speaker panel, and hopefully no, more, mitersÖThat should just leave the triangle support pieces, kerfing, and eventually hole cuttingÖ.although I always underestimate this stuff.  Oh and if your wife ever asks you to install a Reverse Osmosis system in your kitchen, donít, itís an all-day affair  :angry:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 09, 2019, 12:23:42 pm
Dude. This build would give me nightmares with its complexity. Kudos to you for all of your progress.

I think my cab has 3 angled cuts.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on September 09, 2019, 02:34:18 pm
Wow the angles are making my brain hurt.  Looking good!   That little router looks like fun too.  Can't wait to see this thing put together.

You should have bought your wife a Brita! :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 09, 2019, 02:38:47 pm
It looks like a murder box. You could impale someone on that thing.
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Post by: bperkins01 on September 09, 2019, 02:47:00 pm
 :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on September 09, 2019, 02:52:52 pm
I've been looking at palm routers, and the Makita one sounds pretty nice. I could really use something that is in-between my Dremel tool and the old Skil workhorse router I have.

Your project is looking great. I just hope that one day I understand it!   :laugh:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 09, 2019, 03:34:24 pm
I just hope that one day I understand it!   :laugh:

Me too :dizzy: feels like a rabbit hole every time I go to cut something.


@bperkins -  8)

It looks like a murder box. You could impale someone on that thing.

 :laugh2:  almost fell out of my chair.

Wow the angles are making my brain hurt.  Looking good!   That little router looks like fun too.  Can't wait to see this thing put together.
You should have bought your wife a Brita! :cheers:

 :cheers: I'm diggin the router, feels like a much higher quality product compared to my workhorse Ryobi.  And yeah Brita FTW.

Dude. This build would give me nightmares with its complexity. Kudos to you for all of your progress.

I think my cab has 3 angled cuts.

Over-complicated is my middle name.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 09, 2019, 03:54:52 pm
Arroyo - the Original OC.
 :laugh2:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on September 20, 2019, 02:42:09 pm
That is some quality woodworking Arroyo.  Next thing you know you are going to be building furniture.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 20, 2019, 05:48:14 pm
You said it before wp34, and I think youíre right, woodworking is the best part of a build.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Kingcade on September 20, 2019, 06:15:09 pm
Love the design and woodworking! (I'm also a big Tron fan - I made a Tron board game when Tron:Legacy came out: https://youtu.be/UmLNtynGwnw (https://youtu.be/UmLNtynGwnw))
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: JudgeRob on September 21, 2019, 12:56:35 am
Looking great dude, keep it up!  :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on September 21, 2019, 02:49:46 pm
Love the design and woodworking! (I'm also a big Tron fan - I made a Tron board game when Tron:Legacy came out: https://youtu.be/UmLNtynGwnw (https://youtu.be/UmLNtynGwnw))

Good work! 9 in posts may be a little early to say it, but I think you will fit in perfect here!  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Vigo on September 21, 2019, 02:51:50 pm

It looks like a murder box. You could impale someone on that thing.

 :laugh2:  almost fell out of my chair.


I am tempted to photoshop an MK character impaled on your machine.  :lol
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 23, 2019, 12:35:34 pm
Sorry long weekend, I was playing Mr. Mom, while the wife was gallivanting all over Napa with her friends.

I am tempted to photoshop an MK character impaled on your machine.  :lol
Do it!

Looking great dude, keep it up!  :applaud:
Good to hear from you JudgeRob  :cheers:

Love the design and woodworking! (I'm also a big Tron fan - I made a Tron board game when Tron:Legacy came out:)

Thatís awesome, lightcylces are easily the coolest part of the Tron universe.  Iíve got one planted on my marquee as well.



Didnít get too much time to work, but managed to get some stuff done.

Secured the curvy thingies to the base:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379274;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379275;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379276;image)

Secured a piece of wood under the base that stuck out so I could make sure that each piece was at the same height when mounting them.  I also numbered each one so I wouldnít lose track when I take them off and glue them on.

Spent the rest of the time cutting battons/cleats/blocking, whatever you call them.  I managed to cut all of them including the angle cuts.  Came up with this simple way of using the track saw and pulling the length I needed while keeping it steady:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379277;image)

I also cut out the triangle supports that I need for securing the front USB panel to the monitor base  (small ones in the middle).  I now have almost everything cut (enough for assembly anyway).  Last thing is to do is practice kerfing, and then do it on the door:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379278;image)

Oh and I ordered a circle jig from Aliexpress for the Makita palm router.  Surprisingly well made, and a lot of options for cutting small to large circles.  Looking forward to trying it out:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379279;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 23, 2019, 01:19:38 pm
That's a lot of triangles.

Happy to see progress. :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 23, 2019, 01:31:41 pm
http://youtu.be/sNT8SMlqLJA (http://youtu.be/sNT8SMlqLJA)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on September 23, 2019, 01:43:49 pm
Looking good, and I'm starting to understand it now! ;)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on September 23, 2019, 01:51:28 pm
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379279;image)

That looks like fun.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 23, 2019, 06:18:46 pm
Cheers fellas :cheers:

-Triangle Man
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Laythe on September 24, 2019, 11:11:47 am
I am enjoying watching this come together.   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 30, 2019, 11:45:19 am
Cheers Laythe  :cheers:

Finally time to start putting this thing together, well a little at least.

Started doing my first blocking:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379441;image)

Used ĺĒ poplar pieces, drilled, countersunk and then tried out the new impact driver that I bought.  Iíll echo Vigoís comment on impact drivers:

(https://i.imgflip.com/19svwc.jpg)

I found it was best to measure the width of the Plywood and mark it on my ruler, then double and triple check the width from the blocking to the edge to get a flush finish once it was screwed down.  Worked pretty well.

Tackled the upper Marquee box and was happy to see the boards were cut to size properly and fit nicely:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379442;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379443;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379444;image)

Finally tried to tackle the kerfing of the coin door.  Was nervous about this one, and tried to look up a good way to calculate the spacing and depth between cuts.  I found this one site:  https://www.blocklayer.com/kerf-spacingeng.aspx

Which seems like it would be really handy if you were bending the wood in.  Since I am bending mine out, not quite as helpful, and probably indicated that itís not as big of a deal as the spaces on mine fan out, rather than bend in to hit each other.
I measured the height and distance of the curve in Sketchup, and then marked out the total distance.  Practiced with spacing and depth on a spare piece and went with ľĒ spacing between cuts.  I ended up leaving 3/32Ē depth remaining on the wood.  Drew it out, laid down the track saw and went to work:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379445;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379446;image)

Vacuum hose kept snagging the lower left corner, no biggie a little glue or wood filler and should be good.  Hereís a shot from cut level:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379447;image)

Attempted to mount it:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379448;image)

But had to stop as it became clear that I am going to need some strong glue and a lot of clamps.  The wood bends but only with a decent amount of force.  I will probably end up steaming the outside with a clothing iron, then clamp, or even use bags of sand as I thought this might contour to the curve more evenly then clamps would.  Plus the clamps would have to have a very deep throat.  Currently in this state:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379449;image)

That impact driver is the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, now I need a brushless drill too  ;D.  Damn this hobby is expensive.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on September 30, 2019, 12:07:01 pm

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379447;image)


Man that looks nice---especially when the picture is expanded to full size.  Looking forward to seeing the carcass put together.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 30, 2019, 12:09:39 pm
Progress. Hooray!

If you already have a cordless drill that works you really have no need for a drill with a brushless motor. Don't fall for marketing hype.

If you need more power than your cordless can provide than just use a corded drill.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 30, 2019, 12:13:58 pm
Nice work   :applaud:

I think if you screw the coin door in place, use some foam across the length of the curved area and then a board across that.  You can use some clamps on the side and some zip ties to pull the board into the clamp for pressure while the glue dries.
 
ps.  You can never have too many tools  :)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 30, 2019, 12:17:43 pm
You know. I was trying to help this poor guy out. I already have him in enough trouble as it is.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 30, 2019, 12:31:56 pm
Yea...  I'm just instigating...
(always buy more tools)
 :P
 :cheers: Mike A
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on September 30, 2019, 12:47:15 pm
If he listens to me he will be living on the street. Huddled under a tarp tied between his unfinished cab and an Asteroids cab that he was specifically instructed by me to purchase.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on September 30, 2019, 12:53:49 pm
"I think your new friends are a bad influence..  I don't want you hanging around with them any more...."
but .. but.. but ...  but .. but...

 :angel:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: markc74 on September 30, 2019, 12:55:33 pm
Man. There's some skilled builds happening at the moment. This one passed me by for some reason but consider me subscribed!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on September 30, 2019, 03:23:13 pm
If you already have a cordless drill that works you really have no need for a drill with a brushless motor. Don't fall for marketing hype.
If you need more power than your cordless can provide than just use a corded drill.

Good advice, I only thought of it cause the battery isn't holding a charge as well as it did (It's about 11 years old now), and figured it may be a good long term investment.....I'll hold off until the wife is out of town ;D.

Man that looks nice---especially when the picture is expanded to full size.  Looking forward to seeing the carcass put together.   :cheers:

Cheers wp34.  It feels like it's never going to end, but being able to put parts together without errors from previous work is making it all worth it.

I think if you screw the coin door in place, use some foam across the length of the curved area and then a board across that.  You can use some clamps on the side and some zip ties to pull the board into the clamp for pressure while the glue dries. 

As always good advice bperkins, I gotta get more details from you.  I hope to tackle this one soon as it would feel really good to put this challenge behind me. 

If he listens to me he will be living on the street. Huddled under a tarp tied between his unfinished cab and an Asteroids cab that he was specifically instructed by me to purchase.

Give me an outhouse and a gas stove to go with it and no nagging, and I might just reach Nirvana.

Man. There's some skilled builds happening at the moment. This one passed me by for some reason but consider me subscribed!

Cheers Mark, I've taken many notes watching your builds, still have them bookmarked for reference.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on September 30, 2019, 05:41:24 pm
Just started to dawn on me that there is Arcade Cab building and then there is Arcade Cab BUILDING.

I've always just seen it as a means to play some video games, but with skillz it becomes an art all by itself. Keep it up man!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 07, 2019, 12:28:32 pm
Wasnít able to get a whole lot done this weekend.  I prioritized picking up an Asteroids cabinet yesterday and am pretty chuffed about it.  There really is no comparison to seeing it on a vector monitor vs. a raster in Mame.  The bullet shots are stupid bright, almost like a firework.

Anyway I did manage to practice with the new circle jig that I bought for the Makita Palm router.  Hereís a shot of the underside:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379558;image)

The metal cylinder sticking out (silver next to the red bit) acts as a pivot point.  You measure from the outside of the blade to the middle of the metal cylinder and you can get your perfect circles.

First one came out OK, biggest challenge was lowering the bit down steady.   You can see the challenge I has on the left side:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379557;image)

You may be able to tell from the picture, but there is a separate metal cylinder, that you place below so that the pivot point doesnít move once you get close to completing the circle.  Works surprisingly well once you get the lowering part down:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379559;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379560;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379561;image)

I also managed to shop for the 3inch PVC pipe I will use to secure to coin door curve against the 11 curvey things and get it glued down with screws and zip ties (thanks bperkins!).  Hopefully I can get to it on Sunday.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: markc74 on October 07, 2019, 12:42:53 pm
Gonna have to get myself one of those circle jigs - I'm forever hacking stuff together to make proper circles - lids, tin cans etc.

One question - is it awkward to move around with the cable hanging from the router? I've recently picked up a little router that's a great little tool when you don't want the weight of a full size one but I'm assuming that using this the whole router is doing a 360 when you cut a circle?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on October 07, 2019, 12:43:04 pm
Nice circle cutter..  WAY better than hole saws..
Good work  :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on October 07, 2019, 12:49:07 pm
I prefer a hole saw for circles up to 5 inches. There is no setup time and it cuts fast and clean. I can see its usefulness for larger circles or cutting arcs.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 07, 2019, 01:00:03 pm
Gonna have to get myself one of those circle jigs - I'm forever hacking stuff together to make proper circles - lids, tin cans etc.

Would have never guessed it based on the quality of your work. :cheers:

Quote
One question - is it awkward to move around with the cable hanging from the router?

The most awkward part was the vacuum hose attachment.  As it is much stiffer and larger it likes to catch on edges, but it really didn't end up being a big deal.  The electrical cord I hardly noticed.

Quote
I've recently picked up a little router that's a great little tool when you don't want the weight of a full size one but I'm assuming that using this the whole router is doing a 360 when you cut a circle?

Yup, you spin it around that pivot point, and because the pivot point is secured to a sacrificial piece of wood below it is very stable.  A bit of a setup, but gives you a lot of confidence in making the cut.  BTW this cost me $15 on Aliexpress (well $30 once you count shipping).  I just looked up my model and they have the holes pre-drilled for mounting, but also highlighted that you can drill your own with a blank version.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 07, 2019, 01:05:17 pm
Nice circle cutter..  WAY better than hole saws..
Good work  :applaud:

I prefer a hole saw for circles up to 5 inches. There is no setup time and it cuts fast and clean. I can see its usefulness for larger circles or cutting arcs.

I'm a fan, but then I'm kinda anal about clean edges.  Mike is right though it does require a lot more setup time.  This hole was 8 inches so kinda necessary.  I also have large holes to do for the speaker cut outs so this tool should pay for itself in spades down the line.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on October 07, 2019, 01:07:54 pm
Secure the pivot point below the table?
really?

Mine (may be) a little different..

I just drill a hole in the center of my circle to match the pivot - then plunge the router into the work and cut..  I will often plunge for 1/2 the thickness, cut once, then plunge again and finish.. 
Still a fan of the circle cutters  ;)

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 07, 2019, 01:17:43 pm
Secure the pivot point below the table?
really?

The video online seemed to suggest it wasn't needed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuJH3PaUHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeuJH3PaUHM)
but when I didn't secure it my router drifted away (only at the very end) and screwed up the circle cause the pivot point wood was no longer attached to anything  :dunno (didn't take pic)

I suppose if you move fast at the end you might be able to whip through the last bit of wood before the pivot point loosens, but I didn't want to chance it.  Granted this was on that very small circle (3 inch), so on a larger circle it may not be an issue, as you could hold the pivot point wood down with your hand.

EDIT: BTW - what I like about this Jig style is not only can it cut holes about as small as possible (considering the width of the bit of course), but it isn't in fixed positions, so there's no limit on getting a specific size.  A lot of circle jigs have fixed mounting point positions, and while this makes it quicker to setup on a predetermined width, it is limiting, especially if something calls for a metric size.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on October 07, 2019, 01:27:25 pm
oh.. I see..

You can drill right through the part and into the backer board..  and the pivot stays still...
Now I understand..

I did have to do a hole once where I couldn't drill through (boat transom)
This is what I did:

(https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/001077911273/media/62032600296/medium/1570469033/enhance)

There are 2 small tabs..  I finished cutting them with a small saw by hand..


Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 07, 2019, 01:34:11 pm
oh.. I see..

You can drill right through the part and into the backer board..  and the pivot stays still...
Now I understand..

It may look confusing from my pictures cause the pivot point isn't long enough to go through the wood and into the sacrificial board.  There is a second piece (you can see it in the beginning of the video I linked to), that I used to secure the wood to the sacrificial wood below.  I don't even know if it's designed to do that, but it worked well (the thing doesn't come with instructions).

Nice solution on your boat hole, I'd have scratched my head for awhile on that one.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on October 07, 2019, 02:16:55 pm
Circle jigs are also a lot more fun than hole saws.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on October 07, 2019, 05:35:41 pm
Ah, that's cool. Didn't realize it was adjustable at first, but that makes sense.

Yea, I find that the vacuum hose is usually the thing that gets in the way as well. And then there are the vacuum hose adapters....don't even get me started...
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on October 07, 2019, 05:53:08 pm
One question - is it awkward to move around with the cable hanging from the router? I've recently picked up a little router that's a great little tool when you don't want the weight of a full size one but I'm assuming that using this the whole router is doing a 360 when you cut a circle?

Dewalt has come out with a cordless router that I really want but do not need.

https://smile.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCW600B-Compact-Router-Tool/dp/B07KSRTDML/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=DEWALT+CORDLESS+ROUTER&qid=1570485002&sr=8-1

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: markc74 on October 11, 2019, 06:53:32 pm
Oooh yeah. The circles I would cut with that thing.  </lies down>  ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 23, 2019, 05:46:45 pm
Last couple of weekends Iíve been out of town, so Iíve been shifting to trying to get things done during the week.  Bperkins said it best on a couple of other postsÖ.. just getting in the garage and pulling off one thing per night is the way to go, even if itís only 10 min.

The little progress starts to feel bigger once you can put things together.  I managed to get the rest of my blocking down on the base:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379767;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379768;image)

ANDÖ..because of that I was able to finally test the bend on my coin door:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379769;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379770;image)

When I clamped that and stood up to see it holding in place without any cracking I was like:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379771;image)

Before I had put the door on I knew I needed to finally do some slot cutting.  I have been dreading this for a long time, as I had issues with drifting when I cut my little control panel box.  On the small box I had used the router table and moved the piece.  The table doesnít have a perfectly level surface because it has an insert that is adjustable that I have never been able to level. 

Initially I tried the Whiteside 3 wing Arbour that I bought from t-molding.com in my Ryobi, but noticed that the package mentioned the maximum RPM of 16,000, my Ryobi is fixed speed at 24,000, and it felt SCARY.  Decided it would be better to use the new Makita as it has variable speed settings.  Only problem was the standard base it comes with makes it easy to tilt and not stay level with a big bit like that.  So I had the idea to use the same circle jig I bought and it worked great:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379772;image)

This allowed me to confidentially bring the router to the edge with no vertical movement.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379773;image)

To get the correct depth, I used my digital calipers to measure the thickness of the wood (side note this piece actually varied from 18.4mm on one end to 17.7mm on the other).  For this piece I had to take an average.  But I would take the thickness, subtract the bit size (1/16Ē in this case), and then divide by 2.  Iíve noticed that for Plywood the thickness of each piece can vary and itís important to measure and adjust your depth if necessary.  Also quick side note I learned the hard way that t-molding can have different spline widthís, and the slot cutter you need to buy is NOT the width of the spline, itís usually 1/32Ē less (website you order from usually tells you, I bought form t-molding.com).

Anyway, taking pictures just to confirm before cutting helps:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379774;image)

Always good to see it line up visually.  And after itís cut:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379775;image)

Lastly had to slap the sides on for a little motivation just to see how it looks:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379776;image)

More to comeÖÖ..
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on October 23, 2019, 06:21:59 pm
Looking great!

How's that little Shop Vac?! Looks so tiny! But must be nice for hauling around.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on October 23, 2019, 06:43:25 pm
Great work Arroyo.  That bend in the front turned out great.   :cheers:

Your idea to use the circle jig to support the router is brilliant.  I will be stealing that.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on October 23, 2019, 07:14:55 pm
Looking good sir!

Here is the lazy mans way of cutting that slot:

Grab a piece of scrap wood
Put the router up to it and manually adjust the bit until it looks like it is in the middle
Cut a test slot
Flip the board over, move the router over to the slot and see if the bit slides in easily
  - if it does - you are centered - cut away
  - if not - move the bit 50% of the difference and repeat.

No math or calipers.
Loving the work!






Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on October 23, 2019, 11:55:30 pm
Looking good brother.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 24, 2019, 11:22:17 am
Cheers fellas  :cheers:

How's that little Shop Vac?! Looks so tiny! But must be nice for hauling around.

MikeA suggested I get the strongest Shop Vac I could find, ironically the smaller one they had at Lowe's was the most powerful at 6HP.  It holds 5 gallons, but yeah the long term plan is to buy a much larger Dust extractor/separator like a Cyclone or something.

Your idea to use the circle jig to support the router is brilliant.  I will be stealing that.

It works surprisingly well, I have always worried about the router tilting on me when making cuts (it really hasn't been a big deal), but with this attached it feels rock solid approaching a cut.

No math or calipers.

No math?
(http://m.quickmeme.com/img/28/28513377646ba5ecd6622f6247f603fcb5d49b3a359cef4f5b3eae07f9691dff.jpg)

Looking good brother.
   :cheers:

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on October 24, 2019, 11:37:22 am
If you have a good cyclone hardly anything will end up in the shop vac.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on October 24, 2019, 01:42:15 pm
Looking good Arroyo!  Starting to really come together.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on October 25, 2019, 08:24:22 am
Looking good Arroyo!  Starting to really come together.   :cheers:
:cheers:

Do I dare ask about Jack Attack?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on October 28, 2019, 02:09:12 pm
Looking good Arroyo!  Starting to really come together.   :cheers:
:cheers:

Do I dare ask about Jack Attack?

You may not.   ;D 

My daughter's room is almost finished.  One more coat of paint.  Never again - WAY too big of a project for me to juggle with job, kid activities, etc.  It looks nice though.   :cry:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 01, 2019, 05:09:24 pm
My daughter's room is almost finished.  One more coat of paint. :cry:

Better post some pics on the Jack Attack thread so Jack can remember why he didn't get his machine on time  >:D


Kids had soccer games all weekend so I only got a window of time to work on the hinges that are for a flap on the Marquee.  Used the same SOSS hinges that I did on the small control panel.  This time though I used different techniques for cutting them so I figured Iíd post as they came out much better.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379880;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379881;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379882;image)

Cut those using the same circle jig that I recently picked up.  It has two metal circular stubs that you screw in and use to keep the router in center line on a flat surface (see the video I linked to above to see it in action):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379883;image)

Couldnít use the same tool for the piece that it connects to because it has an angled cut.  So I used the tilting base of the router and some wood blocking as a guide:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379884;image)

Came out good, but not quite as good as the other:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379885;image)

Here it is closed:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379886;image)

And opened:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379887;image)

Also picked up this flexible drill extension.  I was getting tired of having to screw the blocking in and out by hand with a ratchet and extension.  I didnít have much hopes that this would work well but it actually worked surprisingly well.  You need two hands, but it works for unscrewing and re-screwing, probably not so great for the initial screw.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379888;image)

Should get some time this weekend to make more progress.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 01, 2019, 06:57:42 pm
Screwing is difficult with a bent and wobbly shaft. You know they have a pill for that.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Nephasth on November 01, 2019, 07:21:42 pm
You need two hands, but it works for unscrewing and re-screwing, probably not so great for the initial screw.

(http://en.memgenerator.pl/mem-image/giggity-giggity-en-ffffff)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 01, 2019, 07:49:58 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191101/b6e7b956049df9a248d2a77b5ee2b68f.jpg)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on November 01, 2019, 08:15:09 pm
You really did ask for that..   :o
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: rave0035 on November 02, 2019, 09:20:51 am
Love those hinges.  Where did you come across those?
Mike
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 02, 2019, 10:30:07 am
Love those hinges.  Where did you come across those?
Mike

A guy at Rockler turned me on to them.  They scale all the way up to a standard door size (in fact I believe thatís where they made their mark).  The company has been around a long time and has a lot of street credit, again according to Rockler. 

Hereís the companyís website:

 https://www.soss.com  (https://www.soss.com)

And hereís a link to the ones I bought:

 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008C7BMP0/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_UezVDbJ9EX0EE  (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008C7BMP0/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_i_UezVDbJ9EX0EE)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 04, 2019, 11:47:41 am

Couldnít use the same tool for the piece that it connects to because it has an angled cut.  So I used the tilting base of the router and some wood blocking as a guide:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=379884;image)


Okay that is cool.  Did that base come with your router?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on November 04, 2019, 12:19:53 pm
That's damn slick. Is that for the top of the cabinet, not sure which part you are hinging?

The hinges on my control panel are not so complex,  but I was pretty happy with how they lie pretty close to flat.

You also reminded me that I *NEED* to buy one of those bendy screwdriver attachments. Where'd you get yours?

Awesome work, man.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 04, 2019, 12:59:28 pm
Okay that is cool.  Did that base come with your router?

Yup it's part of the "package" for Makita's palm router if you buy the multi base set.  Here's a link:  Makita Palm Router (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-RT0701C-1-1-Compact-Router/dp/B00E7D3V4S/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=makita%2Bpalm%2Brouter%2Btilting&qid=1572889846&sr=8-1-fkmr1&th=1)

In retrospect I would probably just buy the "kit with one base" which comes with the plunge base as well and then buy the titling base separately (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-198987-9-Compact-Router-Tilt/dp/B07B3W5RVM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=makita+palm+router+tilting&qid=1572890013&sr=8-1-fkmr0)....although you don't get the cool carrying bag  ::)

That's damn slick. Is that for the top of the cabinet, not sure which part you are hinging?

It's the very front of the Marquee.  I'm installing to allow access for cleaning as the marquee image will be recessed from the front glass.  It will be a 3d angled image with a gap to the front.....will probably make more sense when I get to that stage and can post pics.

Quote
You also reminded me that I *NEED* to buy one of those bendy screwdriver attachments. Where'd you get yours?

Yeah they work surprisingly well, definitely a little lighter on overall torque, but with the distance I suppose that's to be expected.  I got them here (https://www.amazon.com/Maexus-Flexible-Drill-Bit-Extension/dp/B07Q2YPBZX/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=flexible+drill+extension&qid=1572890265&sr=8-4)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 05, 2019, 04:12:31 pm
Okay that is cool.  Did that base come with your router?

Yup it's part of the "package" for Makita's palm router if you buy the multi base set.  Here's a link:  Makita Palm Router (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-RT0701C-1-1-Compact-Router/dp/B00E7D3V4S/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?keywords=makita%2Bpalm%2Brouter%2Btilting&qid=1572889846&sr=8-1-fkmr1&th=1)

In retrospect I would probably just buy the "kit with one base" which comes with the plunge base as well and then buy the titling base separately (https://www.amazon.com/Makita-198987-9-Compact-Router-Tilt/dp/B07B3W5RVM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?keywords=makita+palm+router+tilting&qid=1572890013&sr=8-1-fkmr0)....although you don't get the cool carrying bag  ::)


Sigh.  Looks like I need to buy another router.   ;D

Your build is really coming along Arroyo.  I've really enjoyed following it and am looking forward to seeing what you come up with next.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: opt2not on November 05, 2019, 04:18:37 pm
Sigh.  Looks like I need to buy another router.   ;D

For real. Arroyo's been tempting me to buy all the fun toys.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 05, 2019, 04:30:54 pm
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Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on November 05, 2019, 04:54:53 pm
Sigh.  Looks like I need to buy another router.   ;D

For real. Arroyo's been tempting me to buy all the fun toys.

Luckily I can only afford the cheap stuff.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 11, 2019, 12:24:05 pm
Luckily I can only afford the cheap stuff.

Well actually I really have mostly bought cheap stuffÖ..which I mostly kick myself for.  Almost everything I bought was $120 or less.  I splurged on the Festool for sure, and also the impact driver I bought, but pretty much everything else was cheap (not used cheap I suppose).  Like I said I kinda regret it as once I learn WHY itís cheap I end up having to buy the same tool again and overall it ends up costing me more.  Take that damn table saw for instance  :angry:.  Ryobi Drill Press has actually been really handy.


Anyway, I got to spend the better part of this weekend working and knocked out a bunch of stuff.

First was routing out the sides to get ready for the P95 clear Acrylic inlay that will light up the sides for ďglow cornersĒ wp34 had given me that idea awhile back, and for a little while I was thinking of getting the acrylic etched to extend the side art, but it was expensive and I think just too much, so instead it will be an even glow.

Did the usual bender board to cut out the sides and make them even:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380026;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380027;image)

That's a lot of passes with the double flute straight router bit, both sides probably took 2 hours.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380028;image)

Then cut and put together enclosed speaker enclosure for the 8inch subwoofer:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380029;image)

The called for dimensions on the manufacturers website were a little deep, deeper than I would have liked but oh well.

Then moved on to tackling the coin box problem.  I had been avoiding this for a long time as I couldnít figure out what I wanted to do.  I spent quite a while this weekend in Sketchup designing what I thought would be a good design.  I was heavily influenced by the Nintendo coin boxes and wanted to design soothing in that vein.  Problem was getting around the support clips of the coin door and getting it close enough to catch the coins.  Hereís what I came up with:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380030;image)

Another hilarious setup to make some cuts.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380031;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380032;image)

Here it is against the coin door, you can see the cuts for the support clips, and door cam lock.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380033;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380034;image)

I also worked on the coin box that will go inside, and just clear the coin door bottom.  I actually already built it but hadnít properly accounted for the depth of the cam lock, so Iíve got roughly 3/32 to shave off.

Iíve got one other major hurdle to overcome on the USB panel, and then I should be able to button this lower half up and glue and screw.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on November 11, 2019, 12:27:49 pm
Nice work!
I was going to ask for an *update* to make sure progress was being made.
Fine woodworking there.
Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on November 11, 2019, 01:10:35 pm
Holy crap Arroyo - that's a LOT of material to remove with the router! So you are going to inlay a piece of acrylic where you cut away the sides and then light it up somehow?  That sounds sick.  You are really doing a lot of awesome stuff with your build.  Love watching the progress!   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 11, 2019, 01:23:53 pm
Fine woodworking there.
  I've learned from the best.  Thanks Master Kenobi.

So you are going to inlay a piece of acrylic where you cut away the sides and then light it up somehow?

Yup, that's the plan.  I had done some tests last year and I liked the way it came out, so hopefully it translates well.  This thing is going to be a blingy light show fest  :lol.  Seriously though I hope I can keep the lighting subtle enough that it won't look like a Christmas tree.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 11, 2019, 04:04:38 pm
You did a great job with that coin box.  I saw the pictures before I read your post and my first thought was it looked like a mythical 4-player Donkey Kong coin box.   :cheers:

Well actually I really have mostly bought cheap stuffÖ..which I mostly kick myself for.  Almost everything I bought was $120 or less.  I splurged on the Festool for sure, and also the impact driver I bought, but pretty much everything else was cheap (not used cheap I suppose).  Like I said I kinda regret it as once I learn WHY itís cheap I end up having to buy the same tool again and overall it ends up costing me more.  Take that damn table saw for instance  :angry:.  Ryobi Drill Press has actually been really handy.

Better quality tools feel better in your hands too.  There is something special about the feel of a well-made and well-balanced hand tool. 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on November 11, 2019, 04:08:16 pm
I don't understand the coin box - your coin door didn't come with one?
or are there different configs and yours required a little extra box making?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 11, 2019, 04:37:05 pm
Crazy jigs are awesome.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 12, 2019, 10:42:28 am
You did a great job with that coin box.  I saw the pictures before I read your post and my first thought was it looked like a mythical 4-player Donkey Kong coin box.   :cheers:

:cheers:  That's what I was going for!

I don't understand the coin box - your coin door didn't come with one?
 
Unfortunately not.  The only thing you could buy is this (https://na.suzohapp.com/wp/search.p?Q=42-0535-00), which wasn't even available at the time I bought this.  I also don't really like the plastic tray, and would have to build something to house it anyway, so I figure with this I can have a drawer to pull out and quickly empty when needed.

Crazy jigs are awesome.
Sometimes I look at my setups for a cut and think for an experienced woodworker it must be like watching a cave man with sticks.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 12, 2019, 10:45:01 am
You would be surprised what a cave man with sticks could accomplish.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on November 12, 2019, 01:35:40 pm
Yea, I agree with the quality tools statement. Bought a cheap orbital sander. It died in a month. Then spent the money for a better brand. Good tools that you want to keep around, require money.

Looking forward to seeing how your lit up sides are going to go. The coin box is pretty nice. It's one of the things I still need to tackle too. It seems like it should be a super simple thing, but I'm sure I'll end up making it way more complicated than it needs to be!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 15, 2019, 11:17:22 am
I'm sure I'll end up making it way more complicated than it needs to be!

I can relate on that one!


I had built the coin box over the weekend but it had height and depth issues for things I hadnít accounted for (note to self, always draw EVERYTHING for a part in Sketchup, no short cuts!).  As mentioned I wanted to go for a Nintendo Style coin box, so I grabbed some 1/2Ē birch and 1.5Ē x 3/4Ē solid walnut.

Used the ĹĒ 45 degree chamfer router bit and ran the walnut through the router table:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380102;image)

Cut off the last side and ran it through using push blocks.  Mounted it to the ĹĒ coin drawer box and voila!

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380103;image)

Only problem was I needed to route those corners so that it would fit through the coin door opening.  Here I made a couple of boo boos.  First off I should have pulled up my big boy pants and tackled using dowels as it would have been nice to avoid the pocket holes left from the Kreg jig.  Second was I should have used my ĹĒ round over bit on the individual pieces rather than trying to use it on the completed box.  Got some blow out which I should have known better, but nothing a little wood filler canít solve.  Live and learn:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380105;image)


Fit nicely once I made all the changes, and Iím pretty chuffed. 


(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380107;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380108;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380106;image)

Glad this part is behind me.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on November 15, 2019, 11:21:20 am
OK - I really really like the wooden coin drawer.
 :applaud:

Now I get it..  Mine has a crappy plastic tray...
Hmm........ 
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on November 15, 2019, 12:19:08 pm
This is so cool and really unique.  Don't think I've seen anyone do this before.  Even the Nintendo coin box requires you to open the entire coin door exposing the mechs and wiring so this is even cleaner than that.   :cheers:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 15, 2019, 01:25:32 pm
Cheers fellas.  I'm debating whether the wood look will be in too stark of a contrast to the outside of the cab.....although I'm sure I won't do it, might be cool to wrap it in graphics similar to the outside and swap out that Walnut handle for a Tron disc 3D printed or something like that.....like I have the time.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on November 15, 2019, 01:30:12 pm
Cheers fellas.  I'm debating whether the wood look will be in too stark of a contrast to the outside of the cab.....although I'm sure I won't do it, might be cool to wrap it in graphics similar to the outside and swap out that Walnut handle for a Tron disc 3D printed or something like that.....like I have the time.

You are crazy... in a good way.  If you are going to do anything, just paint it a complimentary color to match/go with the artwork.  99.9% of the time no one will see it and the 0.1% of the time someone does see it, it will still look integrated with the rest of the cabinet.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 15, 2019, 01:55:22 pm
Just do every complicated and crazy thing you can think of with this cab. Get it out of your system.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 15, 2019, 01:58:50 pm
Just do every complicated and crazy thing you can think of with this cab. Get it out of your system.

LOL.  You know me too well.  Hey I believe OND still takes the cake for crazy complicated.  I can't even touch that kind of detail.

You are crazy... in a good way.  If you are going to do anything, just paint it a complimentary color to match/go with the artwork.  99.9% of the time no one will see it and the 0.1% of the time someone does see it, it will still look integrated with the rest of the cabinet.

You are right, which is why unless I get REALLY bored, I won't do it.  Besides look how long it has taken me and I don't even have a standing cab yet.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 15, 2019, 04:25:11 pm
Very nice.   :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 15, 2019, 04:35:40 pm
That touch of walnut is reminding me of Pixelhugger's epic Mission Control.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,13118.0.html

Arroyo is veering into furniture making which is cool.

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 15, 2019, 07:14:50 pm
I am going to be out there next month. I have a lot of woodworking stuff to discuss with him. I will tie him up....with project ideas for the rest of his life.
He looks at things a bit differently than I do. We should be able to come up with some good ideas.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 25, 2019, 07:08:34 pm
That touch of walnut is reminding me of Pixelhugger's epic Mission Control.

You know I never really went through that build log in detail, but after reading it through man the wood working on that is off the charts.  Thatís next level detail and patience.

We should be able to come up with some good ideas.

Looking forward to it buddy.



This little guy is going to play a very important role in the build:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380301;image)


But getting it mounted and exposed was a challenge.  I had to think quite awhile before coming up with a solution.  I needed something strong but thin, considered metal, but didnít have a good way yet to cut some of the dimensions, so opted for plastic instead.

Here you get the idea:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380302;image)

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380303;image)


The three holes are for USB ports and a power switch (Forstner bit cut into scrap, then used as a jig for the pattern bit on the router).  The hole in the top part is here the device will sit.  To mount the plastic I need to inlay the material and as it was only about 3mm thickness I couldnít use my usually pattern bit so I bought this tracer bit:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380304;image)

It worked really well.  Getting an inlay to line up for both dimension and depth can be a challenge.  It took my three attempts at getting the depth just right, as I was paranoid about removing too much material.  To do it I just traced the plastic piece onto some scrap 1/2Ē wood and then cut it out to make a jig.  It worked pretty well, but because I had to make 3 attempts at getting the depth it meant three times realigning the jig and as you can probably tell in the picture I got one of the times miss aligned a little on the topÖnot a big deal as this will all be covered by laminate, but the depth was crucial and thankfully with the countersunk holes and screws it is smooth to the touch all over.

I had to use tiny M2 screws in the middle to get the device setup but it was worth it as it all came together.  Any guesses on what it is going to be used for?

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380305;image)

Last gratuitous pic.  Lot of time in that one piece.  Damn I love this hobby.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380307;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: J_K_M_A_N on November 25, 2019, 07:19:12 pm
I know what that is as I mess with Arduino's from time to time. Can't wait to see what you do with it. :)

J_K_M_A_N
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on November 25, 2019, 07:20:58 pm
So that looks really awesome.... but what am I looking at?   ;D
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 25, 2019, 07:28:47 pm
So that looks really awesome.... but what am I looking at?   ;D

+1
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 25, 2019, 08:02:26 pm
I know what that is as I mess with Arduino's from time to time. Can't wait to see what you do with it. :)

Hehe, wanna guess?

So that looks really awesome.... but what am I looking at?   ;D

+1


Perhaps this will help to explain:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380309;image)


Or did you mean the device itself?




Edit: Top down view from the other side:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380310;image)
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: J_K_M_A_N on November 25, 2019, 08:29:14 pm
I know what that is as I mess with Arduino's from time to time. Can't wait to see what you do with it. :)

Hehe, wanna guess?


I am guessing switch from attract mode to the menu or maybe even a full power on from off which would be cool. Or maybe just some kind of light show which would also be cool. (You must not have dogs or cats. :))

I used mine to make under cabinet lights in the kitchen about 2 weeks ago. Fade in and fade out. LOVE it!

J_K_M_A_N
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 25, 2019, 08:30:58 pm
I am guessing switch from attract mode to the menu or maybe even a full power on from off which would be cool. Or maybe just some kind of light show which would also be cool.

You're on the right path!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: wp34 on November 25, 2019, 09:53:16 pm
It is a scanner that the MCP will use to put you on the game grid.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 25, 2019, 10:01:54 pm
Buwahaa, nailed it!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on November 27, 2019, 09:01:22 am
Testicular stimulator?
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on November 27, 2019, 09:31:56 am
Testicular stimulator?

It's programmed as a reward for a high score.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on December 02, 2019, 12:30:27 am
Itís been a mad dash for the last week trying to cram in time, and got a lot done.


Went to finish off the electronics insert in the USB panel.  The challenge here was that the plastic is too thin to use as a guide, and because I am going to cover the outside with laminate I needed to thicken the guide.  Because the alignment needed to be precise I had to first drill the hole as I wonít be able to see anything once the laminate is covering it.  So I drilled the 23mm hole in a piece of wood, then used it to shine a light underneath so that I could align the hole (this would have been a lot easier if I had used clear acrylic  :banghead:):

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380382;image)


You can see the circle outline and how I needed to align it with the edges of the plastic support piece.  The circle needed to fall exactly within those lines otherwise it would be difficult for future me to get it to align.

Used 2 pieces of 1/8Ē hardboard and used the existing screws to keep it in place:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380383;image)

Then cut it out with the template that was on the other side screwed in from my light alignment, thankfully it came out good:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380384;image)

Front side:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380385;image)

Repurposed the piece of plywood I used to practice kerfing as a support board for the middle which will hold the computer, amplifier, Arduino, and other electronics (slot cuts are on the underneath side).  Also cut the hole for and inserted the speaker terminals.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380386;image)

Decided I was tired of looking at that coin door in the corner and got to gluing and screwing.  Spent a lot of time mulling this one over and a big shout out goes to my man Bobby P (bperkins) for holding my hand and replying to all of my incessant e-mails.  He gave me the idea for the pipe and zip ties to clampdown the wood against the curve pieces:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380387;image)

So much clamping and gluing but it came out good:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380389;image)

I had to put in 6 screws at the top of the curve to make sure the coin door plywood mated with the curves.

Got to finally install the coin box and drawer, with one little hiccup:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380390;image)

The 3/4Ē battons were blocking the clamps.  Good thing I hadnít glued the coin box, and could use the existing cuts as a guide:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380395;image)

Thatís better:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380394;image)

And installed:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380396;image)

Here it is in action:


https://youtu.be/y6aJ_QMJHK0 (https://youtu.be/y6aJ_QMJHK0)


Mounted the USB panel as well with my Triangle Man triangles:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380397;image)

Took off all the clamps on the body and used the face of the coin door plywood as a guide to get smooth curves at the base:

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380398;image)

I also worked out the inlay in the Marquee and got the sides curved to meet up with where the T-molding will be. 

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=159740.0;attach=380399;image)

After almost 12 hours I got really lazy and realized I was just pushing parts around and staring at things a lot.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on December 02, 2019, 08:04:31 am
Now there is some fine woodworking :)
Nice joinery.
 :applaud:
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on December 02, 2019, 09:18:05 am
Wow Arroyo - you are really going all out on this.  Every inch of this thing has some creative detail going on.  I've never seen a more intricate coin door but it's really cool what you are doing here.  I also just reread your rotating monitor tutorial and I'm getting excited to see the finished product. 

I always have a thin layer of coins to the bottom of the my coin box in my DK so when the quarter/token drops it makes the right sound.  I guess it will build up over time but there's nothing like dropping a quarter in and hearing that clink instead of the thud.  Maybe it's just me...
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Mike A on December 02, 2019, 11:10:31 am
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I always have a thin layer of coins to the bottom of the my coin box in my DK so when the quarter/token drops it makes the right sound

You complete me.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on December 02, 2019, 01:26:00 pm
All your work is really great, but I was really impressed with how your coin box came out. Nice work, man!
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: Arroyo on December 03, 2019, 09:07:22 am
You know it's funny, I never thought of the box as being creative I just drew in Sketchup what I thought would functionally work, and largely copied what I saw in Nintendo cabs, but hey cheers  :cheers:

Now there is some fine woodworking :)

I've got a good teacher  ;)

I also just reread your rotating monitor tutorial and I'm getting excited to see the finished product.

At this point just seeing it IRL is keeping me going, I've been carrying around this image in my head way too long, I want to be able to point to it rather than explain it, ya know?

I always have a thin layer of coins to the bottom of the my coin box in my DK so when the quarter/token drops it makes the right sound.

Wife said the exact same thing when I showed her, "sounds kinda hollow".   :lol

Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on December 03, 2019, 09:18:23 am
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Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: bperkins01 on December 03, 2019, 09:18:54 am
I always have a thin layer of coins to the bottom of the my coin box in my DK so when the quarter/token drops it makes the right sound.

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Wife said the exact same thing when I showed her, "sounds kinda hollow".   :lol

Yea - I did this too..    I got  "Very nice sweetie.."  hours of work and pride..  then a little pat on the head..    very similar to..  "the lawn looks nice.."
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: javeryh on December 03, 2019, 10:09:11 am
I always have a thin layer of coins to the bottom of the my coin box in my DK so when the quarter/token drops it makes the right sound.

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Wife said the exact same thing when I showed her, "sounds kinda hollow".   :lol

Yea - I did this too..    I got  "Very nice sweetie.."  hours of work and pride..  then a little pat on the head..    very similar to..  "the lawn looks nice.."

I got a "your arcade cabinets are just fine" after I told her the turkey "tasted fine" on Thanksgiving.  Ouch.
Title: Re: The Grid....
Post by: gingecko on December 03, 2019, 11:02:16 am
You know it's funny, I never thought of the box as being creative I just drew in Sketchup what I thought would functionally work, and largely copied what I saw in Nintendo cabs, but hey cheers  :cheers:

 :cheers:

Probably partially because I haven't tackled that part yet, and am also missing a coin box. So I took even more notice.