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Title: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 05, 2014, 08:18:15 pm
Little bit of back story: Christmas 2012, i received a Namco Plug & Play Pac-Man 12-in-1 unit at a friend's gift exchange. The thing has been on our coffee table for the last year collecting dust and the other day as i sat and watching the latest episode of Sherlock i had an epiphany. Could this be turned into the simplest bar top arcade ever?  The answer is YES! Yes it can. 

This project should not take away from my main arcade project, that i know for sure. I don't want to have a million things that are all half finished, so i plan to stay the course even if that means this silly small endeavour takes until Christmas 2014. I'm in no rush here.

Controls: Groovy Game Gear Leaf switch joystick and buttons.
Display: RCA 15.6" LED LCD TV (almost a shame to use such a perfect tv on a simple build)
Computer: None! I can use the internal board of this Plug & Play.
Cabinet: Planks of Ash hardwood stained grey. Tinted glass for the display and marquee cover. 2"x13" neon "Namco" logo for the marquee.
Electronics: Hack the TV buttons to the cab. Maybe an SLG Mini and a Composite to VGA adaptor. Surface transducer for speakers.
Front End: None! The Plug & Play already has everything i'll need.


Design Goals:
-Minimal complexity and costs.  ...oops.
-Plexi bezel. Glass bezel.
-Custom vandal switches for power, display, and marquee. (Possibly on the CP or back panel)
-Removable external power plug.
-Modified "Weecade" (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/eng/stepweecade.htm) Plans. (reduced by 12.25% in size)
-2"x13" neon sign in the shape of the Namco logo in the marque.
-Vinyl/Leather wrapped metal CP.
-No external screws, wooden dowels for connecting cab pieces.
-Magnets for removing the back panel, and possibly CP.
-Rear C14 power receptacle
-Rear HDMI port


Control Panel:
-Two buttons, One Stick.  ;D
-a pair of smaller buttons for volume up and down.


Games List: Built into the Plug & Play.
-PAC-MAN
-PAC & PAL
-PAC-MAN PLUS
-PAC-MAN 256
-SUPER PACMAN
-GALAGA
-DIGDUG
-BOSCONIAN
-NEW RALLY X
-GALAXIAN
-XEVIOUS
-MAPPY


Design steps:
1. Planning, sourcing, materials (Mostly done)
2. Hack the Plug-n-Play (Check)
3. Finalize Cab design (Check)
4. Cab Construction/Electronic installation
5. More Beer & Video games



Current Roadblocks: 2014.05.27
1. Time
2. having the custom wood planks made.
3. Having the neon light made.
4. designing the CP and back panel, then finding a fabrication place to make them.


Like i said before. Don't expect this one to be quick. It's kinda something to do just when i feel like putting time and money to it. That being said, i'm sure i'll let this thread make it on to Page 2 of this forum quite quickly. If there is any progress you can follow it here in this thread or on Instagram with the hashtag #ChancesArcade2

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7303/11788155203_4954318c3a_c.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7408/11788669516_90f83a382e_c.jpg)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXfwzveKsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXfwzveKsk#ws)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5587/14258298306_4dbf64b2e6_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/13418723833_2871812f40_c.jpg)

A couple volume up/down buttons for the TV.  Dark tinted glass for both the Marquee and display.  I've had some custom switches made for power, the Display, and the Marquee.  Without a computer and with such a thin LCD panel i'm going to have a ton of room left over too.

This is all just a theoretical plan. May change in time.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: wp34 on January 05, 2014, 08:26:42 pm
Cool idea.  That Namco plug-n-play is actually surprisingly fun.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 05, 2014, 08:32:32 pm
Agreed, Its just sad that its been sitting here collecting dust.

...Has no one else thought of doing this with a Plug & Play??  :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on January 05, 2014, 08:44:48 pm
Some related theme music (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095348/quotes?item=qt0159282) for your build.

Pac-Man Fever (Original) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_ESTnBlS0#)


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 05, 2014, 08:47:53 pm
*Shudder*

Eeewwww, i forgot about that song.   So bad.   So very very Bad.


Thanks Scott, I think this is the first time you've been unhelpful to me in one of my threads.  ;)  Nobody bats a thousand i guess.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on January 05, 2014, 08:56:55 pm
Watching intently.  Neat project.

Subscribed!

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: wp34 on January 05, 2014, 10:05:15 pm
*Shudder*

Eeewwww, i forgot about that song.   So bad.   So very very Bad.


Thanks Scott, I think this is the first time you've been unhelpful to me in one of my threads.  ;)  Nobody bats a thousand i guess.

I love that song.   ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 05, 2014, 10:12:08 pm
Agreed, Its just sad that its been sitting here collecting dust.

...Has no one else thought of doing this with a Plug & Play??  :dunno

I remember someone posting one made from a Ms. Pac-Man plug and play at some point in time.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 05, 2014, 10:45:03 pm
Ok, gonna base this thing off modified Weecade (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/eng/stepweecade.htm) plans.

Thinking an elongated back with an integrated plexi covered shadowbox like compartment showcasing the old Plug & Play enclosure surrounded by a "Showdan" style Pac-Man "electronic virus takeover" design.

(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100531002719/shodan/images/thumb/4/4d/Shodan-a.gif/320px-Shodan-a.gif)

Again, more spitballing.



Also, found this:

http://videogamecritic.com/vgc_genclassic.htm (http://videogamecritic.com/vgc_genclassic.htm)
(http://videogamecritic.com/images/systems2/gen_classic.jpg)

I'm not really a SEGA fan, But if someone was to be so inclined i'm sure it would also made for a bad ass Weecade/Bartop build. And i'm sure those wireless controllers wouldn't be hard to modify for wired power.  The fact that it accepts Genesis carts could be integrated into the exterior of the design along the base of the control panel or something.  Looks like they go for like $50 on ebay/Amazon etc.

Not my cup of tea. But would be a bad ass build for anyone out there wanting to tackle it. I'd even help with the design of the cab artwork if someone wants to build it...

http://www.atgames.net/front/bin/home.phtml (http://www.atgames.net/front/bin/home.phtml)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 05, 2014, 10:46:47 pm

(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100531002719/shodan/images/thumb/4/4d/Shodan-a.gif/320px-Shodan-a.gif)

Mmmmm..... System Shock 2...
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on January 05, 2014, 11:09:00 pm
Ok, gonna base this thing off modified Weecade (http://www.koenigs.dk/mame/eng/stepweecade.htm) plans.

Thinking an elongated back with an integrated plexi covered shadowbox like compartment showcasing the old Plug & Play enclosure surrounded by a "Showdan" style Pac-Man "electronic virus takeover" design.

(http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100531002719/shodan/images/thumb/4/4d/Shodan-a.gif/320px-Shodan-a.gif)

Again, more spitballing.



Also, found this:

http://videogamecritic.com/vgc_genclassic.htm (http://videogamecritic.com/vgc_genclassic.htm)
(http://videogamecritic.com/images/systems2/gen_classic.jpg)

I'm not really a SEGA fan, But if someone was to be so inclined i'm sure it would also made for a bad ass Weecade/Bartop build. And i'm sure those wireless controllers wouldn't be hard to modify for wired power.  The fact that it accepts Genesis carts could be integrated into the exterior of the design along the base of the control panel or something.  Looks like they go for like $50 on ebay/Amazon etc.

Not my cup of tea. But would be a bad ass build for anyone out there wanting to tackle it. I'd even help with the design of the cab artwork if someone wants to build it...

I thought of this same idea early on. I was going to use an lcd from one of those old dvd players, gut it all and put it in a midway/namco style mini bartop. I know someone designed a really nice midway/namco inspired bartop on the forums a few years back. Perfect for this style of mini project.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72554.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72554.0)

Also, i have one of those genesis units. I also have the ultra rare sd card cartridge along with it.  ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 05, 2014, 11:12:32 pm
Those things are awesome!

...you should do a small tear down of your Sega system and take some pictures of it to see if it's viable to do a mini cab with.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: emphatic on January 06, 2014, 05:48:19 am
What's the video output on that thing? Composite?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on January 06, 2014, 09:31:18 am
Those things are awesome!

...you should do a small tear down of your Sega system and take some pictures of it to see if it's viable to do a mini cab with.  ;D ;D

Of course you can use it in a cab. or a mini cab for that matter.

you can click on the image for a larger version.
(http://i.imgur.com/eEDtulml.jpg) (http://imgur.com/eEDtulm)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 06, 2014, 09:37:31 am
Of course you can use it in a cab. or a mini cab for that matter.

you can click on the image for a larger version.

Sweet! Thanks.  That's pretty cool.

What's the video output on that thing? Composite?

Yep, with mono audio. So I'll need a powered VGA to Composite adaptor.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on January 06, 2014, 03:38:02 pm
I made a bartop a couple of years ago for Christmas based off a plug and play, it was a pretty big hit. I've actually got 4x of that newer model (emulation is great, menus are nice, very good for a cab), 4x 13" Tvs, 4x controls (going to use LS-56s with octo gates) stashed away to make more at some point but the project keeps getting pushed back in the queue.

Save for the unfortunate omission of Ms. Pac Man, these Pac Man Connect & Play units + old composite-in TV is a great way to get a solid Namco classics cab together on a budget.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: pbj on January 06, 2014, 03:40:58 pm
Nice to see they're still refusing to make a Genesis with RCA stereo output.  I rocked that stupid headphone jack adapter for YEARS. 

 :angry:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on January 06, 2014, 04:16:45 pm
Dammit, I had a Sega one of these laying around for years and now I can't find it.   :censored:

I also happen to have an unfinished bartop sitting on the bench waiting for guts.

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p191/mcseforsale/WeeCade/IMAG0557_zps63fa2309.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/mcseforsale/media/WeeCade/IMAG0557_zps63fa2309.jpg.html)

This may be the perfect solution.  That thing's been staring at me for months.

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 06, 2014, 04:21:23 pm
Hahaha, AJ, you've been b*tchin about that bartop in so many threads. I think you should just tear your place apart looking for it or buy a new one cheap on Amazon/Ebay. Just get it done.  Like I said, I'll even throw in some photoshop work if you want.

If you did that 2 player Sega with the wireless you'd probably want to redo the CP to accommodate the other controllers or make a matching wireless fight stick using the built in wireless feature.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 06, 2014, 04:23:02 pm

This may be the perfect solution.  That thing's been staring at me for months.

AJ

Let me ask you this- what's the holdup on it not getting done?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 06, 2014, 04:23:53 pm
I feel like that's a loaded question.  >:D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on January 06, 2014, 04:27:51 pm
Agreed, Its just sad that its been sitting here collecting dust.

...Has no one else thought of doing this with a Plug & Play??  :dunno

Check out posts 276 and 280 of this KLOV thread (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2609963&highlight=plug+play#post2609963).  You can just see the corner of the plug and play on the "Frogger" cab.

(http://forums.arcade-museum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=160152&stc=1&d=1383950826)  (http://listia.s3.amazonaws.com/photos/5ecebe1abd9d907f3024/medium.jpg?1358958601)


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on January 06, 2014, 04:33:22 pm
Couple things:

1.) I've been lazy
2.) money
3.) when I have the money, I don't seem to be able to find a 19 in 1 horizontal board kit for it.

AJ


This may be the perfect solution.  That thing's been staring at me for months.

AJ

Let me ask you this- what's the holdup on it not getting done?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 06, 2014, 04:56:42 pm
...what's the pool up to for figuring out what Scott does all day?   ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 06, 2014, 05:25:05 pm
...what's the pool up to for figuring out what Scott does all day?   ;D

I'm telling you, he's a shifty AI bot or he works in a callcenter with access to the Internet all day for work.

$5 cash in hand.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on January 06, 2014, 06:10:06 pm
Maybe he's a teacher

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p191/mcseforsale/01_saving_private_ryan_zpsbd47fdd2.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/mcseforsale/media/01_saving_private_ryan_zpsbd47fdd2.jpg.html)

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 06, 2014, 06:12:06 pm
 :laugh2: I was just gonna say "maybe he's a disgruntled, inner city school teacher that spends all his time on the net helping people that actually give a damn. Unlike his students who will never amount to anything more then a statistic."

But that's almost too bleak. ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on January 06, 2014, 07:06:22 pm
If you guys are waiting for a call-back after applying at the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit, you may want to work on "Plan B."    :laugh2:


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on January 07, 2014, 01:47:39 pm
Here is another one. There are a few more out there on the interwebz. I don't personally have a problem with this stuff. What i do take a little issue with is the total lack of mini cabs that look grossly unfinished.

Pac-Man Mini Arcade for sale on Ebay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrFuvA5eE8I#)

Another with a slightly better build quality
Jakks Pacman Arcade Cab 10 games (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCdhnMgW1-w#)

arguably the best. Mortal Kombat
Tiny Mortal Kombat Arcade Auction (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8g3f9-06no#ws)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: BAMBOO on January 07, 2014, 02:50:59 pm
Maybe he's a teacher

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p191/mcseforsale/01_saving_private_ryan_zpsbd47fdd2.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/mcseforsale/media/01_saving_private_ryan_zpsbd47fdd2.jpg.html)

AJ

 :laugh2:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on January 07, 2014, 11:14:15 pm
I made a bartop a couple of years ago for Christmas based off a plug and play, it was a pretty big hit. I've actually got 4x of that newer model (emulation is great, menus are nice, very good for a cab), 4x 13" Tvs, 4x controls (going to use LS-56s with octo gates) stashed away to make more at some point but the project keeps getting pushed back in the queue.

Save for the unfortunate omission of Ms. Pac Man, these Pac Man Connect & Play units + old composite-in TV is a great way to get a solid Namco classics cab together on a budget.

ah that's right, I remember you made one some time ago. Forgot all about that. One of the better, more polished looking cabs using them. All this talk of using one makes me want to crack mine open.

VID00604.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdmZO6s5-qE#ws)



Nice to see they're still refusing to make a Genesis with RCA stereo output.  I rocked that stupid headphone jack adapter for YEARS. 

 :angry:

yeah, i had the same issue with my original genesis 1 unit. Sega sorted that out with the genesis 2.


Dammit, I had a Sega one of these laying around for years and now I can't find it.   :censored:

I also happen to have an unfinished bartop sitting on the bench waiting for guts.

(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p191/mcseforsale/WeeCade/IMAG0557_zps63fa2309.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/mcseforsale/media/WeeCade/IMAG0557_zps63fa2309.jpg.html)

This may be the perfect solution.  That thing's been staring at me for months.

AJ

You can always donate the bar top to the cab-less SaveThe404 Charity Foundation.  Your donation of just one bartop will bring gaming nourishment to a child's life. ;D

In all honesty, they don't emulate sound that great. They are pitched a few octaves too high. At times it gets down right annoying. I have one and while I appreciate it from a novelty and collectors point of view, it's not even remotely close to the genesis hardcore gamers remember.

If you are on a budget, you are better off spending that money on a second hand pc mobo/cpu and drive combo to finish up that great looking bartop.

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: pbj on January 07, 2014, 11:41:29 pm
yeah, i had the same issue with my original genesis 1 unit. Sega sorted that out with the genesis 2.

Genesis 2 was for poor kids that liked watching copyright messages.

 :dizzy:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 26, 2014, 02:32:32 pm
So it looks like i have three options for the stick here:

http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=365 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=365)
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=402 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=402)
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=403 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=65&products_id=403)

I'd like to swap out the ball top if possible for an orange one. But it looks like that may only be possible on the first option. Not a must, but it would be nice.

Buttons I've chosen for sure will be these:
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=357 (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=73&products_id=357)

Just haven't decided on colour so i'll order a couple or each (White, Yellow, Orange)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on February 26, 2014, 02:51:00 pm
ClassX buttons rock!

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 26, 2014, 02:56:52 pm
Whats wrong with the name Yellow Fever? I think its great. If you dont use it, I will.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 26, 2014, 03:02:19 pm
I really don't think anything is wrong with it. I think it's funny as hell. Mind you I'm also not the most sensitive person on the planet at times :D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 26, 2014, 03:07:54 pm
I really don't think anything is wrong with it. I think it's funny as hell. Mind you I'm also not the most sensitive person on the planet at times :D

You do realize I made my fiancee a weecade called "Bonnie's Pink Box" right?  :cheers:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 26, 2014, 03:11:50 pm
 :laugh2: thats fantastic! 

I'll use that as a case study for when I sell it. I mean ultimately it doesn't matter. I do what I want.


...damn that's funny.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: opt2not on February 26, 2014, 03:22:16 pm
I really don't think anything is wrong with it. I think it's funny as hell. Mind you I'm also not the most sensitive person on the planet at times :D
You're in Calgary, so it's probably not such a big deal. In Vancouver, (aka Hongcouver) that name probably wouldn't fly...

I too think it's funny as hell, but I also think real Yellow Fever is hilarious. There are many HAGAWG's here (Hot asian girl, average white guy)...actually, I think that name would actually be pretty funny here too. :D :lol
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 26, 2014, 03:25:19 pm
No joke, I Just now realized the racial connection. I was thinking it was insensitive to people who've contracted the virus... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever)

Done. I'm keeping the name. :D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 26, 2014, 03:58:15 pm
I took it as the asian girl thing, prolly because I have a hot asian fiancee and Im just an average white guy :)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on February 26, 2014, 06:30:36 pm
Pics or it didn't happen.  >:D

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 26, 2014, 06:33:28 pm
Pics or it didn't happen.  >:D

AJ

she can be seen in many of my project and restoration threads.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on February 26, 2014, 06:48:32 pm
I thought you two were married by now. How's Learning Mandarin going? That is a ---smurfette--- of a language. >:D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 26, 2014, 06:49:42 pm
Pics or it didn't happen.  >:D

AJ

she can be seen in many of my project and restoration threads.

Im a lazy man, just give us the goods or we're gonna still call BS.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on February 26, 2014, 07:07:56 pm
Pics or it didn't happen.  >:D

AJ

she can be seen in many of my project and restoration threads.

Im a lazy man, just give us the goods or we're gonna still call BS.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-f4bHglKf2Lk/Uv91laelHcI/AAAAAAAADiw/hVRIF7msAos/w409-h720/Still%2Bthe%2Bbest%2BChun%2Bli%2B%2523Cosplay%2B%2523JackieChan.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 26, 2014, 09:13:28 pm
I thought you two were married by now. How's Learning Mandarin going? That is a ---smurfette--- of a language. >:D

threadjack

No we get married Oct 26th of this year, unless she wises up or I kill her (or both?)  My mandarin has actually gotten worse, Ive been focusing on updating all my M$ certs to 2012.

/threadjack
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on February 26, 2014, 09:25:29 pm
Screw that.  Go for RedHat.  That stuff is killing here at least (metro Atlanta). 

I taught MS for years and still have a valid MCSE, but I use it less and less.  Linux is perplexing and fun all at the same time.  It's a long way from when I was a sysadmin for HPUX on HP miniframes.

Plus, I have an entire CI environment built on freeware (Jenkins, GitLab, GitWeb, et. al) that REALLY pads the resume.

/threadjack

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 27, 2014, 01:30:42 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't all these games meant to be played with a 4-way stick?  Or are any of them 8-way?

-PAC-MAN
-PAC & PAL
-PAC-MAN PLUS
-PAC-MAN 256
-SUPER PACMAN
-GALAGA
-DIGDUG
-BOSCONIAN
-NEW RALLY X
-GALAXIAN
-XEVIOUS
-MAPPY
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on February 27, 2014, 01:45:09 am
Isn't bosconian and xevious 8 way?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on February 27, 2014, 07:45:41 am
Screw that.  Go for RedHat.  That stuff is killing here at least (metro Atlanta).

My job uses nothing but M$, and I have a pretty cushy job. After the 2012 stuff I gonna nail down my Mandarin. I muck around with *nix but its just not useful in my day to day.


Well Galaga is a two way, not a 4 way, not that it matters.
I know Xevious is an 8 way (2 buttons)
and Im pretty sure Bosconian is an 8 way (1 button)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on February 27, 2014, 11:07:12 am
Current Roadblocks: 2014.Jan.05
1. Time
2. The Plug & Play runs on 6 AA batteries. I need to figure out how to run it off the display's power, or integrate a small power supply, which i'll probably need anyways for the audio.

The following youtube video may help Chance.  The best I could find for an actual wired dummy battery that was manufactured was a single A battery to an outlet plug.  Also if you ever need to find out what games had what controls just go here (http://www.arcade-museum.com/) and type in the name of the game and that in turn will lead you to a link that gives you the basic information of the game including release date, button number, what joystick, etc etc.

http://youtu.be/r4f0Fi_fCyE (http://youtu.be/r4f0Fi_fCyE)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on February 27, 2014, 11:52:59 am
Uh...I mean....

(http://cl.jroo.me/z3/c/o/i/d/a.aaa.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on February 27, 2014, 04:10:12 pm
Isn't bosconian and xevious 8 way?

Yep. FWIW, I plan on using LS-56s with octagonal gates when i do more of these plug and play cabs (I am slowly accumulating the stuff to do a run of 4).
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 28, 2014, 02:09:11 am
The following youtube video may help Chance.  The best I could find for an actual wired dummy battery that was manufactured was a single A battery to an outlet plug.  Also if you ever need to find out what games had what controls just go here (http://www.arcade-museum.com/) and type in the name of the game and that in turn will lead you to a link that gives you the basic information of the game including release date, button number, what joystick, etc etc.

Decent start, Thanks!

I bet i could source the proper 6v adaptor to replace the 4AA's instead of having to modify one. I mean, at the end of the day this thing will never run on batteries again.

I plan to put a small 3-4 outlet power splitter in there one for the display, one for the audio, and one for the plug-n-play board.  Run that to a C14 male IEC power inlet. maybe put a chrome vandal switch in there? Who knows.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 28, 2014, 02:44:00 am
Correct me if i'm wrong (Scott, i'm looking your way here), but i could just take this 6VDC, 1.2A (http://www.mroelectronics.com/mro/product.php?id_product=912) adaptor, chop the end off, and wire it right to the leads that connect to the plug-n-play's battery compartment?

4 AA batteries @ 1.5v each, (6v) and the amps don't matter as long as the adaptor exceeds the draw of the device? correct?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Louis Tully on February 28, 2014, 05:22:43 am
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Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on February 28, 2014, 05:37:39 am
i found some  5-ish volt ones laying around tonight. Cell chargers, etc. most were low mA tho.

thanks L.T. it's nice to know someone's actually done this with the same (or very similar) unit before.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on February 28, 2014, 05:16:57 pm
Correct me if i'm wrong (Scott, i'm looking your way here), but i could just take this 6VDC, 1.2A (http://www.mroelectronics.com/mro/product.php?id_product=912) adaptor, chop the end off, and wire it right to the leads that connect to the plug-n-play's battery compartment?

4 AA batteries @ 1.5v each, (6v) and the amps don't matter as long as the adaptor exceeds the draw of the device? correct?
That should work just fine, but why spend that much?.

i found some  5-ish volt ones laying around tonight. Cell chargers, etc. most were low mA tho.
If you want to try those 5v chargers, hook up your multimeter in series with the power supply to verify how much current the plug-and-play draws -- it should be fine.

Cylon-Scott
:P

I ran that thing for 9+ hours off of a 5v phone charger and it never seemed to act strange. Batteries aren't 100% accurate and they drop a little when they start to die.
Over most of the discharge curve, batteries have a 1.4-1.2 volt charge so engineers will usually design the circuit to work with 5v or less.


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 01, 2014, 10:23:17 am
Cylon-Scott
:P

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7454/12856407853_dae702a0ae.jpg)
 ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 01, 2014, 12:24:55 pm
Picard haz a smartfone.   :laugh2:

(http://i.stack.imgur.com/Mb1Qn.jpg)


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 15, 2014, 11:07:09 pm
Today as i was strolling through a Canadian Tire i found the PERFECT TV for this project.

Its a 15.6" RCA LCD TV, weighs less then a AA Battery, will be razor thin once i take it out of the enclosure, has every connection on it i could ever dream of using, was dirt cheap, and has a decent display on it. Like i mean, really decent. I plugged it in to check it out in case i had take make a return trip to Canadian Tire to get my money back, and the thing was rock solid.  It has a built in audio system (like any TV would) so i can use that for the Cab audio, including a headphone port so i can add that to the design as well.  Its almost a shame it's going into such a simple build. If anyone wants to know the model number is: RLED1540A-White.  So happy i found this.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7445/13180954925_442f675eb2_c.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7096/13181216694_c73869fe90_c.jpg)


I've pretty much figured out the buttons and joystick for this. All Leaf ones from GGG as stated before. I'm gonna pick up a Composite to VGA converter as well and see if my SLG Mini from my Flynn project will work with this. If it does i'll add an SLG to the build.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on March 15, 2014, 11:17:46 pm
i have one of the first models of these little pac man units and i must say, they really stepped up the looks of the menu system on these bandai units.  :applaud:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 22, 2014, 06:39:59 pm
Looks like i'm not the first person to attempt this! I was searching around on Google Images for "PacMan Bartop" and found this guys page.

http://www.maulikwoodworks.com/1/post/2012/11/pac-man-mini-cabinet-failure.html (http://www.maulikwoodworks.com/1/post/2012/11/pac-man-mini-cabinet-failure.html)

Looks like he messed up the PCB's when he was hacking it.  Noob.

...Must make sure to not replicate his mistakes.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 23, 2014, 03:13:28 am
Progress, Progress, Progress...

First off, this thing is gonna need a scan line generator.  Big time.  Maybe i'll pick up a Composite to VGA soon and test it with my SLG Mini from my FLYNN's build...

I decided to get off my butt and actually do something with this build. Seeing how i'm not using my demo box for my Flynn's build, and i haven't ordered my leaf controls yet i've decided to tackle the soldering and the harnesses i'll need for this. So i stripped out the controls from my demo box and got to work...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7450/13346661794_e8ef3b7291_c.jpg)

Next i gutted the Plug-n-play to get an idea of what i was about to get myself into.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/13346280065_9c874a855c_c.jpg)

Lets just say my soldering skills need work. Lots of work. Because the buttons used the same contact pads as the joystick assembly, and because i knew i could cut the button PCB off and use just the three wires i decided to practice soldering leads to the button pads first. HaRuMaN's tutorial for hacking an Xbox 360 controller (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,64050.msg639714.html) came in handy here.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7102/13346408123_099b9b3ce8_c.jpg)

Once i was happy that i cold solder leads to the pads with a bit of accuracy i set the system up for a quick test. hooked up a couple spare pushbutton switches and made sure it worked.  I puts admit, in my haste i managed to connect the buttons to the Normally Closed tabs on the switch and i had thought i fired the thing because repeated attempts to turn it on booted the PnP into a diagnostic mode. I swapped the QD's, felt like a tool, and continued on...

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3806/13346648004_1980929541_c.jpg)

I was happy with the buttons so i decided to pass the point of no return with this build and start clipping wires. The plan with this is to connect Molex connectors from the PnP main board for both the buttons and the sticks. Various reasons for this, but it does add a couple extra steps. I have a ton of extra Molex left over from the other build so this was no big deal.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3675/13346656174_3a13dcbd79_c.jpg)

This is also really good practice for all the wiring i'm going to be doing when i'm building custom harnesses for my Flynn's build.  Here's the button harness all done up.  I only managed to forget to put a cover on one connector. I've gotta get in the habit of putting those things on BEFORE i crimp the QD to the end of the wire. Like i said: Practice.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3752/13346274155_ce499cc3ba_c.jpg)

I'm not sure if i'll be using these harnesses for the final build. especially because of the spacing of the switches on the GGG Leaf-Pro are in comparison to this Ultimarc J-Stick. Still, more practice...

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/13346653424_edeb3f504a_c.jpg)

Knowing that if i screwed the joystick leads up i'd have to go out and find another one of these Plug-n-Play units, and after reading about the other guy who attempted this same build here (http://www.maulikwoodworks.com/1/post/2012/11/pac-man-mini-cabinet-failure.html). I decided to practice a bit more before pulling up my socks and getting this done. Once i was ready i tinned and crimped the wires and took a deep breath. (mainly because i don't have the best ventilation and the solder fumes were making me see things....

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/13346651724_59973f9bdd_c.jpg)

HaRuMaN was right, hot glue is your friend. Once i made sure the leads were secure i cleaned up the wires and added a Molex plug.  As the glue gun was cooling off i managed to reinforce the other factory glued spots that seemed to be wearing a little.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7272/13346400623_6ea1408c25_c.jpg)

Moment of truth. I plugged in the modified board, and tossed everything into the box. As soon as i flipped the switch i have a sense of relief.  It works, and these games play so much better with actual controls. I can't wait to get my hands on those Leaf switch controls from GGG. I've been meaning to put the order in for a couple weeks now. I'm quite curious to see if a composite to VGA adaptor will work with my SLG. If it does this will be one hell of a throwback. I might have to put some real effort into making the cab look bad ass.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3762/13346646794_6649aab888_c.jpg)


Next steps will be to switch the board from battery power to AC wall power, finalize a cab design, order a few parts and get to building.  I'm glad this PnP isn't just collecting dust on my coffee table anymore. Even if it is costing me money  :D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 23, 2014, 04:22:59 am
Also found this video of a guy ripping into the Sega Plug-n-Play.  NSFW folks.

His sense of entitlement is off the scale. So funny.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIw2R50RNf4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIw2R50RNf4#ws)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 23, 2014, 09:48:37 am
Hmm may have to track one of these down -- Would be interesting to see if you could combine this with one of the 7 or 9 inch portable DVD players that also runs on rechargeable batteries and hook it up so all the batteries charge when plugged in -- figure that way the entire unit could be portable and just plugged it in to recharge. Figure the DVD player can run 5 hours or so on a charge so should last longer if just using the monitor and would have a completely portable unit that could be played for several hours without a cord. 

I already have a couple of the DVD players so may just have to give this a try.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 23, 2014, 12:14:30 pm
I wouldn't doubt it.  The Mortal Kombat one in the video above uses a hacked portable DVD player. His uses AC wall power, but you could totally make a portable one.  The challenge is finding a decent DVD unit with video in. There are some 7" and 10" ones out there though.

I'm kinda wondering if I shouldn't build the Space Invaders, or Star Wars one next. The Invaders one has Bubble Bobble on it, but the sound is kinda crappy compared to the original. There's a Millenium Falcon Star Wars unit that has 5 somewhat decent original games on it too. I imagine one could build a whole series of these. Too bad this TV is so damn rare or I'd buy a couple more.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on March 23, 2014, 03:01:04 pm
Very cool, and thanks for all the pics. Nice to have a reference for whenever i start hacking these things up.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 24, 2014, 10:36:55 pm
Very cool, and thanks for all the pics. Nice to have a reference for whenever i start hacking these things up.

No worries!  Sometimes i feel i take/post too many pictures of the step-by-step. but if it helps, i'll keep going.


This little RCA TV is AMAZING!  My head is swimming with ideas now. The panel is razor thin, all the ports and main electronics are on one board (where everything is labeled!) and the speakers/buttons/IR are all small modules ripe for the hack.  I'm going to have to get my hands on a couple more of these things for future projects!

Click each image for the high res...

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/13394622415_0b26197e01_z.jpg) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3738/13394622415_23b16f08e7_o.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/13394620445_3c2bf1955f_z.jpg) (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2830/13394620445_c581590dbd_o.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/13394978704_678d1cdaeb_z.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/13394978704_9e24795f0e_o.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7082/13394614155_e68c80a452_z.jpg) (https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7082/13394614155_95a7dde618_o.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/13394608255_39674f773c_z.jpg) (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2878/13394608255_f2c3905a7a_o.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2835/13394985974_803f254cd0_z.jpg) (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2835/13394985974_9fbac90126_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/13394759243_2b754e6377_z.jpg) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/13394759243_5e5ae14d00_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3815/13394762223_fc2cf60a5b_z.jpg) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3815/13394762223_5673948aeb_o.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/13394734073_b6e1e2cc1d_z.jpg) (https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3751/13394734073_edbee4329c_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: opt2not on March 25, 2014, 03:08:38 am
I am loving the progress in here!  And that TV looks great!  I might have to swing down to my local CanTire and see if I can get my hands on one.  The image on that thing looks great for composite.

Nice work getting the proper controls hooked up to that board too.   :applaud:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 25, 2014, 03:12:35 am
Thanks! 

Band news, you're not going to find this TV at any other Canadian Tire. Looks like it was for a special order or something and not a regular SKU.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 25, 2014, 03:26:31 am
...looks like you can buy the main board separately too. I should have nabbed the serial number for that AUO panel.

http://www.tvpartsguy.com/servlet/the-13947/PROSCAN-PLED2435A-dsh-C-MAIN-BOARD/Detail (http://www.tvpartsguy.com/servlet/the-13947/PROSCAN-PLED2435A-dsh-C-MAIN-BOARD/Detail)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 25, 2014, 06:00:35 am
Quote from: ChanceKJ
Do you think it's possible I could rig it up so that my little PacMan plug n play gets it's power from the 15"RCA LCD I bought for it?
I double checked your photos of the TV and noticed this one.

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7096/13181216694_c73869fe90_c.jpg)

That looks like a USB port on the upper right.   ;D

You should be able to hack a USB cable or buy this (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=299&zenid=t4v3k2k8vfa9seo0ovh4pb8gq4) USB cable from GGG.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121192.0;attach=197343;image)

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Quote from: ChanceKJ
Ok, i think i just answered a few of my questions with my multimeter. (I'm new at this, its a learning experience).

I tested the voltage from the USB on the TV and it outputs 5V  (well, 5.13V to be exact).  I tested the PnP at the batteries and it reads 6.18 directly from them. I have a feeling there are a couple resistors (?) in some heat shrink just past where the leads come from the batteries on the PnP. because after the switch at the board there is 5.98V.

Taking a hint on that USB idea i scrapped an old iPod cable and attached a Molex connector to the Grd and 5V leads of the USB.

Two questions: 

1. Do you feel that i'm on the right track here and I'll be able to snip the PnP wires at the batteries and run them into this USB tap cable i made?
Assuming the plug-and-play doesn't draw too much current, it should work.

Quote from: ChanceKJ
2. I'm worried about plugging it in backwards and frying the PnP with the USB. Based off the readings on my meter can i just plug the red wire on the USB tap to the red wire on the battery housing of the PnP (including what looks to be the resistor under the shrink)?

USB tap I made.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3788/13397021793_e8c9087777_z.jpg)

Power from the USB port on the TV.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7238/13397235243_611a3f5514_z.jpg)

Power from the batteries.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/13397250714_a03bce05b7_z.jpg)

the reading on the left of 6.18 is misleading, i took the reading from right at the base of the wires where they connect to the yellow box holding the batteries, as shown in the image above.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3790/13397240463_0f53b0c2ec_z.jpg)
Power tap cable looks good.   ;D

Based on your pictures, red to red and black to black should work fine.


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 25, 2014, 11:58:18 am
Thanks Scott!

So pretty much test for current and if it's below what the USB gives off we're good to go?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 25, 2014, 09:35:04 pm
FOr anyone looking for one of these it seems Kmart got a new supply of inventory of these and the Space invaders units -- $24.99 for the Pacman 12 game unit and $21.99 for the 10 game Space Invaders unit !

Made a trip to the local Kmart and they had about 10 of the pacman and 12 space invaders in the store so will probably be picking one up this week. Since I found an old AC plug that is 6V 200ma output that should work fine to replace the batteries and have an old 13" TV sitting in the closet that has the proper inputs so looks like a good start for building something (perhaps a Dig Dug based bartop)  :applaud:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 25, 2014, 10:14:08 pm
Sweet deal.  I've had my eye on that Space Invaders one. Just for the Bubble Bobble and Invaders.

I think i've figured out a design/theme/look etc.

Maybe an Ash grey hardwood Weecade clone cab. A couple of pieces of tinted black glass for the display and marquee. then behind the tinted marquee glass a "Namco" logo in red neon? couple red leaf switch pushbuttons and a red leaf switch ball top. a black metal back plate and black metal CP.

Anyone have a weecade sketch up model on hand?

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/13417147124_0b9911dd73_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 25, 2014, 10:24:30 pm
Quick look at the warehouse shows these 2 available to download :

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?redirect=1&mid=2d840b8c8292c0c29aeb4764d4ffd235

https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model.html?id=acb47ff0ca6da3a59428db5a936c1abd

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on March 25, 2014, 11:18:48 pm
Not a sketchup, but a printable PDF.  Or, I'll just sell you one of the ones I built and don't want to finish. :D  PM me your email and I'll get that PDF and the photoshop side panel (for drawing sideart) out to you.

AJ

AJ

Sweet deal.  I've had my eye on that Space Invaders one. Just for the Bubble Bobble and Invaders.

I think i've figured out a design/theme/look etc.

Maybe an Ash grey hardwood Weecade clone cab. A couple of pieces of tinted black glass for the display and marquee. then behind the tinted marquee glass a "Namco" logo in red neon? couple red leaf switch pushbuttons and a red leaf switch ball top. a black metal back plate and black metal CP.

Anyone have a weecade sketch up model on hand?

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7271/13417147124_0b9911dd73_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 25, 2014, 11:59:23 pm
 :applaud:  Nice, hadn't even thought to look for an online database of files.   Ok, well with my limited (very limited) sketchup skills, heres what i was thinking...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/13418824284_9447c02d31_c.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2808/13418823754_c5bd1e45ed_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/13418723833_2871812f40_c.jpg)

I didn't have the time to add in the glowing red neon "Namco" logo. but you get the basic idea. A couple volume up/down buttons for the TV. Probably run the wood grain for the side panels vertically rather then horizontally shown in the pictures.  Dark tinted glass for both the Marquee and display.  Maybe a switch on the back for power, and one separate one for the neon logo?  Without a computer and with such a thin LCD panel i'm going to have a ton of room left over too.

This is all just a theoretical plan. May change in time.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: opt2not on March 26, 2014, 01:08:00 am
Awww, another weecade clone...  I still like my idea of the bartop that mimics the Pacman Battle Royale stand-up cabinet:
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=306623)  :lol
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 01:11:23 am
i really like that idea. instead of "Battle Royale" it can be called "Bicker Royale"... you know, cause it's small... and has less of a...   no? ok, never mind.   :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 01:37:06 am
So i have decided that a 5 foot video cable is just to damn long.  in the interest of Science i have started trimming it down to 1 foot.

First. CUT THE WIRES!  Having zero experience reconnecting composite video cables I thought, "how hard can it be??"

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5507/13419603615_60f5534ccc_c.jpg)

Once cut, i stripped the wires, tested them with the multimeter, and added a couple layers of heat shrink to the ends. One tiny bit to the bare ground wire, and the other to close off the strip on each end overtop of both.  I'll trim the bare wire tips down a bit before i go to solder them to the board...  speaking of which, i lent my soldering iron to a buddy so he could do the pickups on his new guitar....  Crap.  Ok we'll continue this another day....

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2917/13419601455_81dc882ea8_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 26, 2014, 02:31:11 am
So pretty much test for current and if it's below what the USB gives off we're good to go?
That would be a great piece of info for anyone planning on using one in a build.


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 03:07:14 am
So pretty much test for current and if it's below what the USB gives off we're good to go?
That would be a great piece of info for anyone planning on using one in a build.
Scott

i can take a hint...

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/13420993404_6e5631f992_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 03:07:59 am
I don't get a reading on mA, i'm guessing the fuse on my meter is blown?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 26, 2014, 03:20:47 am
I don't get a reading on mA, i'm guessing the fuse on my meter is blown?
Umm. . . Did you move the red lead to the center connector?


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 26, 2014, 09:28:03 am
:applaud:  Nice, hadn't even thought to look for an online database of files.   Ok, well with my limited (very limited) sketchup skills, heres what i was thinking...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7194/13418824284_9447c02d31_c.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2808/13418823754_c5bd1e45ed_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/13418723833_2871812f40_c.jpg)

I didn't have the time to add in the glowing red neon "Namco" logo. but you get the basic idea. A couple volume up/down buttons for the TV. Probably run the wood grain for the side panels vertically rather then horizontally shown in the pictures.  Dark tinted glass for both the Marquee and display.  Maybe a switch on the back for power, and one separate one for the neon logo?  Without a computer and with such a thin LCD panel i'm going to have a ton of room left over too.

This is all just a theoretical plan. May change in time.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/tracy-morgan-nope.gif)

Yeah.  Don't sully this awesome project with a weecade shell.  I built mine and I'm now in the process of gutting it for a Star Wars cab.  If you are doing a weecade you might as well go this (http://bartopmania.com/index.php?t=msg&th=665&start=0&) route. 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2014, 10:00:16 am
I think something similar to Haruman's midway vert would work well. But a standard Weecade design? naw.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 10:56:09 am
I think something similar to Haruman's midway vert would work well. But a standard Weecade design? naw.
Yeah.  Don't sully this awesome project with a weecade shell.  I built mine and I'm now in the process of gutting it for a Star Wars cab.  If you are doing a weecade you might as well go this (http://bartopmania.com/index.php?t=msg&th=665&start=0&) route.

When did "Weecade" become a swear word? :D  Ever build that toolbox in shop class when you were a kid? I did, but mine was still the most badass one that ever came out of the shop. Didn't get a grade for it because I "didn't follow the plans". But I'm pretty sure our shop teacher was drunk half the time anyways.....

No offense to HaRuMaN, or Rick, or any of the guys that make those prefab kits but I don't really like the form of most of them. Not sure why, just not my favorite. Remember this is a "simplistic" build. I wanna make it cool, but it don't want to sink a bunch of time and money into it. Anyone is free to build one and make some kinda crazy hardwood, floating display, with a ton of lights, awesomeness. That's why I'm posting my findings as I build. :D

Besides, how many times do we say: "Awww, your building a standard pinball shaped cabinet?"

Haters ;) ;)

I don't get a reading on mA, i'm guessing the fuse on my meter is blown?
Umm. . . Did you move the red lead to the center connector?

Yep, went back and forth a couple times and even read the manual. Just reads zero.   :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on March 26, 2014, 11:01:53 am
I'm not sure I'd go hardwood for a Pac-centric build. Cabs from that era were bright and colorful. I think something like that would be right up your alley and would work nicely. Your hardwood design would probably fit a Western-themed cab nicely, or maybe a Tapper.  :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on March 26, 2014, 11:02:19 am
In all seriousness if you want to do a bartop it would be nice to see a Pac Man shaped cabinet with the bottom half cut off.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on March 26, 2014, 11:29:29 am
*sigh*

I didnt say to use a weecade, I didnt saying using one was bad. I didnt say to buy a kit from Haruman or Rick or anything. What I said was, make it in the shape of his Midway inspired vert. Mostly because his vert is based on a Pacman cab and you're making a mini one. His proportions are already scaled down and should be easier to go off of.


I digress.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 11:32:55 am
*sigh*...

Hehe, sorry. I was in a rush to get out the door this morning. Seriously though, thank you for the suggestions.  ;)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 26, 2014, 11:33:46 am
In all seriousness if you want to do a bartop it would be nice to see a Pac Man shaped cabinet with the bottom half cut off.

Kind of like this one made by Well Fed Games a couple years back :

VID00604.MP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdmZO6s5-qE#ws)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 26, 2014, 12:18:32 pm
I don't get a reading on mA, i'm guessing the fuse on my meter is blown?
Umm. . . Did you move the red lead to the center connector?
Yep, went back and forth a couple times and even read the manual. Just reads zero.   :dunno
That certainly does sound like a blown fuse.

At least you can tell that it draws about 60 mA (0.06 A) while using the 10A range setting based on the earlier photo.


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 12:21:58 pm
Yeah, sadly that's what I figured too. :( it's a brand new meter, I can't think of how I could have blown it as I haven't tested it on anything other than voltage.  Oh well :)

Thanks so much for your help with this part Scott, seriously.  I half assed wired the leads all up to the TV and it looks like she'll hold.

Very excited!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on March 26, 2014, 05:18:04 pm
Kind of like this one made by Well Fed Games a couple years back :

Which was based on the Brian Bishop bartop plans found here, FYI: http://vectorlib2.free.fr/Plans/ (http://vectorlib2.free.fr/Plans/)

Of course my cab had to accommodate a CRT monitor.

ChanceKJ: Any chance for a pic of the pac boards with all the pins labeled? Looks like you are most of the way there already.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: hsr on March 26, 2014, 06:12:08 pm
FOr anyone looking for one of these it seems Kmart got a new supply of inventory of these and the Space invaders units -- $24.99 for the Pacman 12 game unit and $21.99 for the 10 game Space Invaders unit !

Made a trip to the local Kmart and they had about 10 of the pacman and 12 space invaders in the store so will probably be picking one up this week. Since I found an old AC plug that is 6V 200ma output that should work fine to replace the batteries and have an old 13" TV sitting in the closet that has the proper inputs so looks like a good start for building something (perhaps a Dig Dug based bartop)  :applaud:

Thanks for this.  I picked one up on my way home today.  Surprisingly, I had a bunch of Shop Your Way rewards built up that I didn't even know existed, so got it for free.

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: hsr on March 26, 2014, 06:14:27 pm
Anyone thought about one of THESE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062601) to trim down the voltage on a 6-12v cheapo phone charger?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 06:24:17 pm
ChanceKJ: Any chance for a pic of the pac boards with all the pins labeled? Looks like you are most of the way there already.

Like just a close up of the Mainboard?  I can do that when I get home from the office later tonight. The thing is labeled quite well, and everything else has the appropriate cable coming out of it so you shouldn't have a hard time getting around

Looking back, the nice thing about this is if you don't have experience soldering to the button contacts on this board you can practice on the A/B Button daughter board, then when your happy, cut it off and throw it out before you tackle the joystick pads. I mean at the end of the day it's a $25 plug n play, but if you can do it without botching one you save the money.

I missed the part where I used a sharp exacto knife to scrape clean the pads on the Mainboard before soldering the joystick leads. Figured using a Dremel for a tiny board like this might distort it.

Read my posts on this above and follow the link above for the tutorial I mentioned. So helpful. 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 06:25:39 pm
Anyone thought about one of THESE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062601) to trim down the voltage on a 6-12v cheapo phone charger?

Screw the regulator. Do what I did and build a USB tap. So happy with that!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: hsr on March 26, 2014, 06:50:12 pm
Anyone thought about one of THESE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062601) to trim down the voltage on a 6-12v cheapo phone charger?

Screw the regulator. Do what I did and build a USB tap. So happy with that!

I like that idea, but the TV I picked up off Craigslist today doesn't have USB...  Samsung SyncMaster 710MP
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 26, 2014, 07:28:17 pm
Thanks for this.  I picked one up on my way home today.  Surprisingly, I had a bunch of Shop Your Way rewards built up that I didn't even know existed, so got it for free.

Glad to help -- also stopped and picked mine up on the way home today ! :applaud:

Anyone thought about one of THESE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062601) to trim down the voltage on a 6-12v cheapo phone charger?

Screw the regulator. Do what I did and build a USB tap. So happy with that!

I like that idea, but the TV I picked up off Craigslist today doesn't have USB...  Samsung SyncMaster 710MP

Could get a cheap 5V 1a USb plug for less than $2.59 shipped to plug into a power strip ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1340TA6297 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1340TA6297) )

(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/A134_130155205288857723xnNH3rvYK8.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 11:26:49 pm
ChanceKJ: Any chance for a pic of the pac boards with all the pins labeled? Looks like you are most of the way there already.

Does this help?  All the important ones are labeled, except for the buttons on the bottom right, but thats just A, B, and a common ground.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7149/13439436504_cb93a951c3_c.jpg)

Continuing on with the build, i added a couple small wires to the ends of the shrinked resistors that had previously been connected to the battery box. These are very delicate connections. It doesn't look like the original wires are connected very well on the other end of the resistors. One even broke off on me and i had to fix it. Once that was secure i added a molex plug on the end in order to connect to the USB tap.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7267/13438818053_f551afd0ee_c.jpg)

Next, i reconnected the shorted audio video cables and tested the rig quickly. Once i was happy that everything was working i added a ton of hot glue to the solder points on the board.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/13438696885_a8d66e533b_c.jpg)

I'd be pretty sad too if i was replaced with a 10 year old Apple USB cable...

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3810/13439064284_5527c00d10_z.jpg)


once finished i shoved everything back into the test box, plugged it all in and hit the power switch on the TV.   The TV boots up, turns on the PnP and then boots the PnP into the front end with a nice matching slash screen to the TV's. 

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7109/13439056634_82c3068217_c.jpg)


Thats it for now. When i get around to it one of these days i'll start work on the enclosure. 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 26, 2014, 11:48:54 pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXfwzveKsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKXfwzveKsk#ws)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 27, 2014, 12:18:33 am
I had an idea:

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3702/13439747645_1442f42a21.jpg) (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10975)

You know, instead of speakers.

I was thinking running both speakers into this one surface transducer then hiding it inside the cab. If you think about it, the audio that comes out of the PnP is all basic 8-bit sounds, so its not like i need anything of quality. And on top of that it removes the speaker grills, and drivers from the cab design adding a little more simplicity.

No?

/Waits for Scott to chime in and call me crazy...  ???

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on March 27, 2014, 07:39:29 am
/Waits for Scott to chime in and call me crazy...  ???

You're crazy. :P


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: orion on March 27, 2014, 10:14:12 am
Lol! At the very least you have inspired me to root though a lot of old junk I have around the house. I should have an old Wico 4 way joystick around here somewhere...

Following with great interest!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 27, 2014, 10:49:54 am
/Waits for Scott to chime in and call me crazy...  ???

You're crazy. :P

Scott

Yes, however this should work. I should have written down what the rating was on the speakers. I remember them being labeled.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on March 27, 2014, 12:30:29 pm

Does this help?  All the important ones are labeled, except for the buttons on the bottom right, but thats just A, B, and a common ground.


Yeah, that's great. For some reason I expected it to be more complicated.  :laugh: Thanks.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: pbj on March 27, 2014, 01:02:22 pm
When did it become popular to be sick of Weecades? Welcome to like 4 years ago, BYOAC.

Those TV joysticks sure have improved....



Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: 404 on March 27, 2014, 06:01:56 pm
Lol! At the very least you have inspired me to root though a lot of old junk I have around the house. I should have an old Wico 4 way joystick around here somewhere...

Following with great interest!

I have both the standard and deluxe models of the larger flashback units. The deluxe has some really awesome posters that would make great cabinet side art.

When did it become popular to be sick of Weecades? Welcome to like 4 years ago, BYOAC.

Those TV joysticks sure have improved....


the pac and spacer invader units have already emulated surprisingly well considering the limitations of the hardware and standard televisions.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 28, 2014, 05:02:56 am
Well, this is good news....

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7345/13462945665_023568b184_c.jpg)

Looks like if I want to use a particular surface transducer that I had in mind it will replace these speakers perfectly! This cab will be so simple it won't even have speakers.  Well, conventional speakers anyway.  ;D

The transducers are like $21+shipping. So I'm gonna get just one, unhook both speakers from the TV and adjust the audio in the TV to only work out of the one channel that the transducer is connected too. I mean, the PnP only has mono audio anyways, why not cut costs?! 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 28, 2014, 10:52:17 am
Well, this is good news....

Looks like if I want to use a particular surface transducer that I had in mind it will replace these speakers perfectly! This cab will be so simple it won't even have speakers.  Well, conventional speakers anyway.  ;D

The transducers are like $21+shipping. So I'm gonna get just one, unhook both speakers from the TV and adjust the audio in the TV to only work out of the one channel that the transducer is connected too. I mean, the PnP only has mono audio anyways, why not cut costs?!

So spending $21 + shipping rather than using the speakers that the TV already has to cut costs   :dizzy:
Just kidding with ya - would be interesting to see what it winds up sounding like with that type of set up.

Unfortunately I didn't have much luck with the cost cutting effort -- had planned on using a 13" TV I had sitting in a closet (old Disney princess TV the niece out grew ) but the manufacturer in it's wisdom didn't put  TV\AV mode switch on the unit just on the remote and also made it switch back to TV mode every time power is turned off - So you have to change to AV mode every time you turn the unit off - I figured out a way to change it to AV without the remote but it is by pressing the power button after turning it on to cycle through the modes and is not completely reliable (if you press to long it shuts off rather than switching modes  :angry: ) - So looks like I'll have to source a different TV to use (hopefully the local Goodwill will have something) as I have a feeling using that one would cause more frustration than it's worth.

On the Plus side the 6v 250ma power adapter that was sitting in a box works fine to bypass the batteries for the PNP unit - so it's not all bad news at least.

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on March 28, 2014, 10:57:14 am
Well, this is good news....

Looks like if I want to use a particular surface transducer that I had in mind it will replace these speakers perfectly! This cab will be so simple it won't even have speakers.  Well, conventional speakers anyway.  ;D

The transducers are like $21+shipping. So I'm gonna get just one, unhook both speakers from the TV and adjust the audio in the TV to only work out of the one channel that the transducer is connected too. I mean, the PnP only has mono audio anyways, why not cut costs?!

So spending $21 + shipping rather than using the speakers that the TV already has to cut costs   :dizzy:

HAHAHAHA! I was thinking the same exact thing but didn't want to be "That Guy"!  :afro:

I've never seen a transducer in action, so it'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 28, 2014, 11:02:47 am
Well, ok :). Maybe instead of "cut costs" I should have said something along the lines of "It's stupid and stupidly expensive (relatively) to put a pair of transducers in such a small cab considering what they can do."

...something to that effect.  :D 

That sucks about the Disney TV. I was at a loss for a bit trying to find the right display for under $120. I had been looking at portable DVD players, car audio displays, but when I saw this for $90 I just pulled the trigger and didn't look back.

Have you tried pawn shops?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 28, 2014, 11:08:21 am
I've never seen a transducer in action, so it'll be interesting.

I saw some high end ones at a booth during CES 2008. They were amazing. Totally forgot about them until the girlfriend brought home a little USB powered one (like a portable iPod speaker). Her company was looking for cool things to put their logo on and she wanted my opinion on design and build quality.  It sucked.  Needless to say I'm not expecting big things from this one. We're talking about classic arcade sounds not Classical music, so I couldn't justify the extra $21 for a second one.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: pbj on March 28, 2014, 11:14:09 am
I interned at a transducer company in the 90s (which meant I sat in the corner) and I still have no idea what the hell those things actually did.  They kept telling me "sense vibration in airplane engines."  All I really figured out was it was yet another company that got raw goods duty free, slapped them around a bit, and sent them to the mainland as American.

 :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on March 28, 2014, 11:20:57 am
youtu.be/AO6d2SxfWrw (http://youtu.be/AO6d2SxfWrw)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on March 28, 2014, 12:47:14 pm
When you get it, you want to test the urban legend that these things can be used as a poor man's sonovox?

Incredible Sonovox - Kay Kyser - 1940 film "You'll Find Out" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH-krlgo2e8#)

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: opt2not on March 28, 2014, 12:52:01 pm
For a majority of my project, I use those cheap chinese-made PC speakers and hack them into my set-ups.
bob roberts has a nice guide on them http://www.therealbobroberts.net/aab.html (http://www.therealbobroberts.net/aab.html)

You can usually get these things for free, or for like $10. Good value for what we need it for, IMO.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on March 28, 2014, 02:05:26 pm
HAHAHAHA! I was thinking the same exact thing but didn't want to be "That Guy"!  :afro:

I've never seen a transducer in action, so it'll be interesting.

LOL - Couldn't help myself - but for $20 it's not gonna break the bank and I agree it will be interesting to hear about the results

Have you tried pawn shops?

Good idea - I'll check them if Goodwill doesn't have anything.

EDIT : Checked Goodwill today and they had some tvs for $10 that would have worked fine but while looking through the AC adapter box came across an old Radio Shack RF Modulator that had the Audio video in that the unit needed and then coaxial output to the TV using channel 3 or 4 on the tuner for $2  :applaud: ( So can use this with the disney TV and not have to deal with switching modes every time it is turned on as it will come on to channel 4 just fine from powered off so now can make it work with just the 1 button press like wanted - though it uses about 4.5W of extra power to run the modulator.)

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/OTE2WDE1MDA=/z/oWgAAOxyYWpSab0l/$T2eC16h,!zQFIb4Jjj7IBS,b0lbGw!~~60_57.JPG)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on April 01, 2014, 03:48:45 pm
Damn, I just threw one of those in the trash.   :-[

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 04, 2014, 03:00:00 am
Ordered my Leaf-Pro stick and red CLASSX leaf buttons tonight from GGG. Also made a few small parts orders from some overseas suppliers. Random buttons for volume adjustment and some killer custom engraved power/display/marquee light vandal switches.  Walked into a staples and had a couple copies of the pattern I need for the sides of the cab printed off as well.  After work today I'm going to try and get into the Neon sign place and see what the logistics are of having this Namco logo made.  Should be pretty cool.

I've been really thinking a lot about how I want to do this weecade design all "next level" like no other one out there. I'll need access to a number of tools I don't have. So I'll look into that next. the goal is: exotic hardwood, zero screws, tinted glass, and leather or vinyl wrapped CP.   :laugh:

More to come...
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 06, 2014, 12:27:18 pm
A few quotes so far for the neon, one as high as $600!!  Just crazy :dizzy: 

It's still the plan though. More on this later.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: mcseforsale on April 09, 2014, 03:52:38 pm
What about an LED edge-lit sign?  Cheap and easy.  And if you want multiple colors, just use multiple pieces of plexi in different planes.

AJ
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 09, 2014, 06:25:51 pm
It's an idea.

If you can think of a way to hide it in ½ hardwood without any screws or wires showing I owe you a coke.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on April 09, 2014, 10:09:12 pm
Decided to scrap the idea of using the old 13" TV as it would be a PITA to fit in a weecade clone due to the depth and had decided to use a Galaxian theme for the artwork adjusted to fit the design.

Then was looking for a screen to use and came across a 9.2" car headset monitor wit AV in for $29 at Walmart that will make for a nice mini bartop. (Link if any one else is interested at this price it seems a good deal  ( http://www.walmart.com/ip/Planet-Audio-PHR9B-9.2-Auto-Headrest-Monitor-Tan/20611782 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Planet-Audio-PHR9B-9.2-Auto-Headrest-Monitor-Tan/20611782) ) with shipping and tax it came to $36.77

Specs for the monitor :
Quote
Planet Audio PHR9B 9.2" Headrest Monitor:
    9.2" monitor
    Built-in IR transmitter
    Resolution: 800 x 480 pixels
    Front panel controls
    On-screen menu
    A/V inputs
    Color: Tan
    Includes wireless remote
(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608015597961544784&pid=15.1)

Will see what it looks like when it arrives (should be about the same time as the ball top joystick and happ buttons) -- Here's also a pic of the artwork WIP in case you wanted to see it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=138575.0;attach=307095;image)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 09, 2014, 10:29:23 pm
Yours is going to be WAY more cost effective then mine. Like seriously, I'm starting to think I need to check my ambition at the door on the next project. ;D

Are you gonna scale down the plans to fit the display like I did? I think I only had to go down 12.25%.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on April 09, 2014, 10:53:06 pm
Yours is going to be WAY more cost effective then mine. Like seriously, I'm starting to think I need to check my ambition at the door on the next project. ;D

Are you gonna scale down the plans to fit the display like I did? I think I only had to go down 12.25%.

Yeah much easier to scale down than up ! once I get the monitor and CP parts I'll have a better idea of how much to scale it down (guess I should probably start a project thread rather than keep hijacking yours  ;) ) figure with the headrest portion the specs say it is about 13x16x5 inches for the monitor so should be smaller once it is removed but not sure what the dimensions will wind up being - plus will have to figure out the power requirements for it and track down a proper size 12V source but should have something laying around somewhere.

Nothing wrong with spending more if you get the results you are wanting ( I do kind of enjoy trying to make it look good on a tight budget) - but also enjoy seeing the kind of things you are coming up with. 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 09, 2014, 11:08:33 pm
Agreed!!

....get your own thread!

 :laugh: j/k.


I think I'm gonna play the long game one this one. I just dropped some bigger coin on my PlayChoice build tonight. Worst case the NUC doesn't fit or the project fails and you better bet I'm adding it to this PacMan build with some kinda system switch.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 16, 2014, 01:52:53 am
My surface transducer came in today.  I promptly replaced one of the speakers on the TV with it, then got to testing.

This is going to work great!  It will eliminate the need for speakers and speaker grills in the design, and provide much better audio overall. Major win here. Not bad for $20.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5504/13887836845_f266259560_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7209/13887908943_321c561740_c.jpg)


http://youtu.be/MuXVFs3KA2o (http://youtu.be/MuXVFs3KA2o)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on April 16, 2014, 10:04:46 am
Awesome! Sounds ample for blips and beeps. I might have to get one just to toy with.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 16, 2014, 10:34:29 am
It's seriously cool. Definitely worth the $20.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on April 16, 2014, 04:46:43 pm
It's seriously cool. Definitely worth the $20.

That thing works really well for the price !! (good decision to chance it !! ) - Do you have a link ?

One Last Hijack and then I'll start my build thread - Good old Walmart cancelled my order for the $37 ($29 + tax & shipping) monitor (even though the funds are still on hold with my Debit Card account) - so wound up ordering a 7" RCA slave monitor for a portable Dual display Auto DVD player for $16.77 shipped (needed the slave monitor since it has AV in and the price was right !!) Saved $20 but lost 2" of screen size -- it arrived today so just waiting on the joystick to get started building. (already soldered the Power for PacMan unit to bypass the batteries)  :applaud:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 16, 2014, 04:49:20 pm
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10975 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10975)

They have some smaller ones too but this is a good bet.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on April 17, 2014, 01:32:09 am
Might be awhile before I get to build it -- went to track the joystick tonight and found this : ( It makes it all the way from China to the PO right down the road and they say it's undeliverable  :angry: -- Really hope they wait at least a day before returning it to china -- Seeing it wasn't even suppose to arrive until Friday !!!)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: emphatic on April 17, 2014, 01:45:53 pm
That transducer is damn cool. :cheers: Where does the sound appear to come from, the whole table or from the transducer itself?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 17, 2014, 01:49:31 pm
The whole table. Well it's a big table. So localized in the area of the transducer.  I tried putting it up to my head, very trippy!  I plan on mounting it dead center of the cab base under the control panel.  Pffft, conventional speakers.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on April 17, 2014, 01:53:01 pm
The whole table. Well it's a big table. So localized in the area of the transducer.  I tried putting it up to my head, very trippy!  I plan on mounting it dead center of the cab base under the control panel.  Pffft, conventional speakers.

Ain't nothing wrong with a conventional speaker. Especially when they're free and attached to the TV you're already using.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 17, 2014, 02:15:11 pm
Yeah, but think of the time and maybe money I'll save on adding speaker grills and relocating the drivers. Besides design wise the omission of them is pretty cool.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on April 17, 2014, 02:55:03 pm
Yeah, but think of the time and maybe money I'll save on adding speaker grills and relocating the drivers. Besides design wise the omission of them is pretty cool.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 27, 2014, 04:42:10 am
 :applaud: my parts from Groovy Game Gear arrived this week.

First off, I need to point out what an awesome job Randy and the folks at GGG are doing. Not only do they go out of their way to give top shelf customer service, but they don't shy away from the odd custom request.  I think it's cool that they took the time to fully assemble one of the buttons I ordered from them just so I would get it right when I went to do it myself. It's the little things...

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7338/14000878531_7380418184_c.jpg)

Along with the I/O panels for my Flynn's build, Randy was able to cut me a custom gloss black dustwasher for use on their Leaf-Pro™ stick I bought to match the theme of this PacMan build. Very happy with the way this turned out.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7389/14004052455_947d510e21_c.jpg)

As stated before the idea for this build is to use classic feel controls. I decided because I haven't started on the enclosure yet, i wanted to test out these new leaf switches and install them into my test platform.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5170/14004052495_331b69cd30_c.jpg)

I also realized that there wasn't a great teardown or closeup of this stick. So I promptly pulled the pin and started work on it.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7307/14000858142_2cd796e356_c.jpg)

Here's a good shot of all the stick parts out in the open.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5161/14000887591_0380897472_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7247/14000863112_b505f5bd36_c.jpg)

As soon as I had the buttons/stick built it was time to install them into the small test box.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/14024161453_19b92e6dc8_c.jpg)

Once installed I decided to play around for a bit on some of the games. These leaf controls are like night and day. I'm very impressed with this so far and as well with GGG. If any one else is attempting this same build, or a classic game build of any kind i'd suggest going to GGG and getting some of these supplies.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Louis Tully on April 27, 2014, 05:24:03 am
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Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on April 27, 2014, 11:53:57 am
Let me know what you think of that stick. I prefer the Pac-Pro Leaf Stick to that one (I've had them both).

Love those leaf switches, though. Bought those specifically for my Macross build. Those were the only ones I even considered.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on April 27, 2014, 02:14:55 pm
I actually really like it. Not being an expert on things like throw and feel, I can say without a doubt that when playing these classic games this stick just "fits" the control needs of the gameplay. Compared to the previous stick which I think would feel more at home in a Simpsons or TMNT cab.

So glad I did this, it actually makes me want to play this thing more when I'm not playing it, kinda like that new awesome console title that one would devote hours too after it's released.

I think I'm hooked.  :D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 17, 2014, 05:29:18 am
This is not so much of an update as it is a "Hey, look what came in the mail for this build"...

Custom momentary and latching mini vandal switches i had had engraved with Helvetica.  ;D 

"Display" is momentary and will power the TV on and off.
"Marquee" is latching and will independently control the neon sign marquee i'm planning.
"Power" is latching and will control the Nuclear ICBM's that will enslave humanity with Kung-Fu grip action....   :laugh:

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5483/14224208173_84886058e5_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 27, 2014, 04:47:50 am
I've got a small conversation going here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,139419.0.html) in an attempt to have a backup plan if the neon sign marquee becomes too ambitious, (Read: Costly).

in the mean time, i've been working on finalizing the design and the renderings of what it should all look like.

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5587/14258298306_4dbf64b2e6_c.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2895/14094764698_99b42b7340_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3690/14279378602_1b74aaa60b_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3718/14301147223_4cf1e36125_c.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2934/14257665996_a5eeb69566_c.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5155/14094117589_36e54047f5_c.jpg)

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5502/14094213997_ef92aaa323_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3809/14280779885_cf86ee115e_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 27, 2014, 05:02:14 am
Oh, one other thing, I received this proof artwork from one of the vendors i'm trying to have the marquee made. This is what the sign could look like done in neon.

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/14301740723_404cde4bb0_c.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: emphatic on May 27, 2014, 07:06:53 am
Very cool idea with the marquee. But the neon, is it be necessity it has so much space between each letter? It's more a resemblance of the logo than the actual logo like that. :cheers: 
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 27, 2014, 11:19:29 am
I think there's some trade off between the size of the neon tube and the clarity of the logo on such a small scale.  Looks a little skinny I guess.  Meh, it's just the first proof. ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on May 27, 2014, 11:41:08 am
get those letters cut out, paint em read, and light up a white piece of paper behind it. true 3D marquee!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 27, 2014, 11:44:45 am
Thanks for the suggestion, but I want to be able to see past the sign. If that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jaharr01 on May 29, 2014, 10:46:49 pm
        Hey Chance I had been keeping up with your thread great build so far. I had been thinking about doing a 3/4 or 2/3 scale for my little girl. But I Didn't want to use emulators and a computer because she would have it jacked up in 15 minutes. So i was going to get a 19 in one in the cab. Anyway I was at the Dollar store and they had one of those pacman games like yours on clearance for $15. So I picked it up.Hopefully it is simple enough that she can easily use it.
        So I was trying to sift through your thread did the usb plug to power it okay? Any problems with it? I think the wiring is pretty straight forward.

Jay
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 29, 2014, 11:35:52 pm
No man, it works well. I bet anyone who has a basic understanding of these kinda things will probably roll their eyes when they read how amazed I was with it all, but it was easy. I think these little kits are awesome for this exact reason and fit your purpose quite well. I'd love to see more PnP's make it into one of those mini cabs like Maximus's 1943 Tiny Pilot. 

Also, I'd suggest a couple things, use a plug(s) like I did to allow the PnP board to be removed from the buttons/stick/USB, that way down the road if you wanna replace it with a new one with different games, or a 60-in1 or a CPU you have tons of options, (the little Molex connectors I use are awesome for this). Toss an external HDMI connection on the back if you use a small TV, makes the cab a bit more multi purpose. And get yourself a nice set of leaf buttons and a leaf joystick from GroovyGameGear, I'm really impressed with how well these ones just feel so much better with the old games, vs other sticks I have, buttons, the standard controls etc. She might not notice, but for the extra $25ish it's just that extra bit of awesome.

Any questions you have feel free to ask them in the thread, I've learnt so much about this I'd love to give some back. I'm sure if I can't answer it Scott will jump in ;D (unless he's ignoring me now for accidentally posting a google.com link on a picture in a thread about some metal L Brackets  :P )
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jaharr01 on May 30, 2014, 10:29:54 am
          I had actually thought about incorporating a wii into it also but i'm getting mixed information on whether or not you can get an arcade stick and buttons to work. I'm gonna have to go cheap somewhere. I just finished my space invaders cabinet [url]http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137839.0.html/url] and I started a mini pinball build, So my funds are limited. She came up to me all sweet and cute when I was building that space invaders cabinet and she said " daddy will you build me a little arcade when your not busy someday"? So now I'm gonna build her one. How could you refuse that.
         I noticed your builds they all turn out nice and are well planned. I wish I had your patience. As I said earlier I need to go cheap somewhere. I have most of the arcade parts. already. I need to find a way to do some cheap artwork. She will probably end up coloring all over it anyway. I will probably use the molex idea and incorporate a few of those devices or use an AV switcher

Jay
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on May 30, 2014, 11:04:55 am
She will probably end up coloring all over it anyway. I will probably use the molex idea and incorporate a few of those devices or use an AV switcher

Jay

If she enjoys decorating it you could use some Rustoleum Magnetic Primer http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,137839.0.html (http://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-247596-Magnetic-Primer/dp/B003ZW7XL4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401462037&sr=8-1&keywords=magnetic+wall+paint)   

and then an overcoat of Chalkboard paint  http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Specialty-30-oz-Flat-Black-Chalkboard-Paint-206540/100141287 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Rust-Oleum-Specialty-30-oz-Flat-Black-Chalkboard-Paint-206540/100141287)  -- Figure that way she could do her own decorating with colored chalk for drawing and\or arcade character magnets and rearrange\change it when she wanted.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 30, 2014, 11:05:58 am
I got a line on some cheap molex, and art wise use Brad: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html)

So happy I want with him for my printing.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on May 30, 2014, 02:49:24 pm
I got a line on some cheap molex, and art wise use Brad: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html)

So happy I want with him for my printing.

I'll second using Bradley. Quality stuff.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 30, 2014, 05:54:53 pm
I got a line on some cheap molex, and art wise use Brad: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html)

So happy I want with him for my printing.

I'll second using Bradley. Quality stuff.

Hehe, you just wait till you see what he's printing for me right now. Guys a PRO!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on May 30, 2014, 06:17:33 pm

Hehe, you just wait till you see what he's printing for me right now. Guys a PRO!

Awesome. He printed up my posters custom side art for my Macross cabinet, and he did the die cutting of the numbers and logo for the bottom part. CKJ is right, dude is solid PRO.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: lamprey on May 30, 2014, 08:07:57 pm
This is not so much of an update as it is a "Hey, look what came in the mail for this build"...

Custom momentary and latching mini vandal switches i had had engraved with Helvetica.  ;D 

"Display" is momentary and will power the TV on and off.
"Marquee" is latching and will independently control the neon sign marquee i'm planning.
"Power" is latching and will control the Nuclear ICBM's that will enslave humanity with Kung-Fu grip action....   :laugh:

Where do you get those button done at? I don't think I'll need them, but incase I change my mind it might be nice to et some like that with labels on them.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on May 30, 2014, 11:23:36 pm
Elewind Yueqing Elewind Electric Co., Ltd.  China (Mainland) (Zhejiang)
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/737142 (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/737142)

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jaharr01 on June 10, 2014, 05:52:40 pm
Hey Chance I had a question for you. Do you know a way that if you put say that pacman game and say like this: http://www.amazon.com/TV-Games-33836-Space-Invaders/dp/B005XRP3WK/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_6_6ZKN?ie=UTF8&refRID=1750ARTNK9K8GNSJ6VX6 (http://www.amazon.com/TV-Games-33836-Space-Invaders/dp/B005XRP3WK/ref=pd_rhf_dp_s_cp_6_6ZKN?ie=UTF8&refRID=1750ARTNK9K8GNSJ6VX6) on the same joystick. I know you could use an AV switcher for the video, but I couldn't think of a way to switch joysticks from one device to another. I know you had molex clips but I was building this for my nephew and I wanted an east way to switch between systems. Or would it matter if you both were hooked to the joystick, if you killed the power the device you weren't using, would the one that was powered on still work?

                                      Jay
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 10, 2014, 05:59:07 pm
At that point, it's cheaper and easier to buy a cheap ATOM board and a Minimus AVR...
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 10, 2014, 06:18:24 pm
I was thinking the same thing. I want Space Invaders on this thing too. Just haven't had a second to look up controller switching.

Boy, I sure wish SCOTT was here with one of his crazy "it's so simple, why didn't I think of that" ideas/solutions.......  ;D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 10, 2014, 06:27:28 pm
in all seriousness, i was thinking something like this 6pole switch...

Wire all the grounds to a common line without using the switch and then run the 6 leads (stick/2 buttons) to this. 

Its too bad i didn't have a background on PCB design. I bet something could be built that could be like a KVM switch that incorporated video and output a single VGA signal at the same time.

(http://www.pranelectronics.com/gifs/pole-switches.jpg) (http://www.pranelectronics.com/push-button-switch.html)
http://www.pranelectronics.com/push-button-switch.html (http://www.pranelectronics.com/push-button-switch.html)

The only other thing i can think of is building the Plug-N-Play units into some kind of cartridge, and making them swappable....
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on June 10, 2014, 06:54:30 pm
Hey Chance I had a question for you. Do you know a way that if you put say that pacman game and say like this: on the same joystick. I know you could use an AV switcher for the video, but I couldn't think of a way to switch joysticks from one device to another. I know you had molex clips but I was building this for my nephew and I wanted an east way to switch between systems. Or would it matter if you both were hooked to the joystick, if you killed the power the device you weren't using, would the one that was powered on still work?

                                      Jay

I think it would work fine if you wired both to the buttons\joystick and then just powered off the one not in use somehow (perhaps a 3 way switch where 1 powered Pacman, 1 powered Space invaders and 1 position was off) and then also combine the AV outs so they go to the same AV ins (so no need to change the video source settings on the display) - Though I'd suggest just building 2 systems so he and a friend can play at the same time !!!

Almost finished my Galaxian build - Thanks again for the idea to use one of these in a build as it came out fairly good and was pretty cheap to build ( Since I could use my laser printer and some sticker paper for the artwork since it was printable on 8.5 x 11 sheets ! - though I may eventually rebuild with a larger monitor as the 7 inch is a bit small (but it did let me keep the size and cost down !) - Just need to finish the bezel art and laminate the new CP artwork ( adjusted to fit better ) so it doesn't wear out like the test CP did from use. ( But now that it is playable it is harder to take apart to install rather than play a few games  :laugh2: )
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 10, 2014, 06:56:21 pm
Dude! That's SICK!

you should make a project announcements thread and show that puppy off!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 10, 2014, 06:57:27 pm
This is good enough to run MAME and the vertical classics. Put in your own hard drive, and you're good to go. I use one to run the scoreboard in my gameroom. $40 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-160-Thin-Client-Intel-Atom-1-6-GHz-2-GB-MEM-2-GB-SSD-HD-NO-OS-f1-/231219986916?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item35d5c901e4 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dell-Optiplex-160-Thin-Client-Intel-Atom-1-6-GHz-2-GB-MEM-2-GB-SSD-HD-NO-OS-f1-/231219986916?pt=US_Thin_Clients&hash=item35d5c901e4)

Oh, and I have a few of those dedicated Ms. Pac units sitting around. I need to have a yard sale...
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on June 11, 2014, 01:36:59 am
I was thinking the same thing. I want Space Invaders on this thing too. Just haven't had a second to look up controller switching.

Boy, I sure wish SCOTT was here with one of his crazy "it's so simple, why didn't I think of that" ideas/solutions.......  ;D
Since you rubbed the magic lamp, your wish shall be granted.   :lol

First step is to define the problem: Switching between two plug-and-play games.

AFAIK, you will need to switch the following:
* Joystick, 2 buttons, and ground (7 contacts)
* Operating voltage and ground (2 contacts) -- assuming that power ground and button ground are separate
* Composite video signal (1 or 2 contacts)
* Sound? (might be able to just use a Y-connector, otherwise 1 or 2 contacts)

This leads to several possibilities to consider:

  1.) A manual PS/2 KVM switch (http://www.amazon.com/Cables-3367-HD15-Manual-Switch/dp/B0000512IH/) with modified input/output wiring adapters i.e. video switching on one of the 15-pin video lines (R, G, or B) and other wires used for the other lines.  Not 100% certain if there are enough wires for this, but there probably are.  :dunno

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31oxYz8Kp-L._SX425_.jpg)

  2.) An old parallel port (printer) A-B switch. (Not sure if it will handle the bandwidth of the video signal.   :dunno)
Available here (http://www.amazon.com/CablesOnline-Parallel-Printer-Rotary-SB-001/dp/B00E6SQL46/), here (http://www.amazon.com/SF-Cable-Female-Straight-Switch/dp/B005XGF5CE), or (if you want to switch between 4 plug-and-plays) here (http://www.amazon.com/C2G-Cables-03292-4-Port-Manual/dp/B0000512C5).

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61PV3Cn2bvL._SL1500_.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31uSF92OFnL.jpg)  (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41qpSdFFlJL.jpg)


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 11, 2014, 01:39:19 am
That's brilliant.

I think I have one of those laying around.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on June 11, 2014, 06:46:07 am
I dont care what anyone says.   I still think Scott is a ghost in the machine.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on June 11, 2014, 07:08:57 am
That sounds like something my 13-year-old nephew (twice-removed) Eugene Goostman from Odessa, Ukraine would say.   ::)  :P


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 11, 2014, 11:00:06 am
I still think Scott works in a call center in an underground bunker outside Lincoln, Nebraska. So he's got plenty of time and resources.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Vigo on June 11, 2014, 11:19:57 am
I think there are 5 Scotts. Things changed for Scott after he watched Multiplicity with Michael Keaton.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 11, 2014, 11:21:27 am
I'd agree to that.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on June 11, 2014, 12:07:42 pm
I think there are 5 Scotts. Things changed for Scott after he watched Multiplicity with Michael Keaton.
Hey Steve, did ya bring me any pizza Steve?


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 11, 2014, 12:39:38 pm
Great! You ---smurfs--- broke Scott.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 11, 2014, 12:41:07 pm
It was bound to happen sooner or later.  :dunno

Don't blame me, it wasn't my turn to watch him.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 11, 2014, 12:42:07 pm
Great! You ---saint's minions--- broke Scott.

Quoted so Chance can see the filter.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 11, 2014, 12:43:13 pm
 :applaud: pffft.

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: PL1 on June 11, 2014, 01:08:05 pm
 I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid.
. . .
*sings while slowing down*
Daisy, Daisy, give me your answer do. I'm half crazy all for the love of you. It won't be a stylish marriage, I can't afford a carriage. But you'll look sweet upon the seat of a bicycle built for two.


Scott
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on June 11, 2014, 01:10:57 pm
Yotsuya! Push those little clear things back in!! We're losing him!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on June 11, 2014, 01:31:45 pm
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/Christopher4myspace/2001/2001apes-thumb-510x245-39088.gif)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on June 25, 2014, 02:40:38 pm
OK, so the other day I tested a newly acquired plug and play (same one as in this build, the most recent Bandai/Namco one) and I noticed that in Galaga when you get the double ship, the left ship's shot sprite looks a little weird. Can anyone confirm this for me on their unit? Struck me as strange, the rest of the emulation seems spot on. Not a battery-life issue.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on June 25, 2014, 03:26:13 pm
OK, so the other day I tested a newly acquired plug and play (same one as in this build, the most recent Bandai/Namco one) and I noticed that in Galaga when you get the double ship, the left ship's shot sprite looks a little weird. Can anyone confirm this for me on their unit? Struck me as strange, the rest of the emulation seems spot on. Not a battery-life issue.

Yep - I noticed the same here on my Galage mini build - I thought it might be my imagination but the left ships shot looks to be a pixel or 2 smaller in size (that or my eyes looking at a 7" screen or the widescreen format I was playing in)- doesn't seem to effect the gameplay but does look off just a bit)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on June 25, 2014, 04:05:30 pm
Yep - I noticed the same here on my Galage mini build - I thought it might be my imagination but the left ships shot looks to be a pixel or 2 smaller in size (that or my eyes looking at a 7" screen or the widescreen format I was playing in)- doesn't seem to effect the gameplay but does look off just a bit)

Thanks! Not a dealbreaker on these units but just wanted to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on June 25, 2014, 04:38:20 pm
Yep - I noticed the same here on my Galage mini build - I thought it might be my imagination but the left ships shot looks to be a pixel or 2 smaller in size (that or my eyes looking at a 7" screen or the widescreen format I was playing in)- doesn't seem to effect the gameplay but does look off just a bit)

Thanks! Not a dealbreaker on these units but just wanted to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing.

SInce you have one setup can you check one more thing - I noticed on mine in the Pacman game the maze portions seem to flicker a bit -- I'm not sure if it is from the 5V input I'm using rather than 6V so can you see if yours does the same (if not I have another voltage regulator I can use instead that would provide the 6V but don't want to swap it out if it isn't going to change anything - since again it doesn't effect gameplay !)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Well Fed Games on June 26, 2014, 10:57:53 am
Yep - I noticed the same here on my Galage mini build - I thought it might be my imagination but the left ships shot looks to be a pixel or 2 smaller in size (that or my eyes looking at a 7" screen or the widescreen format I was playing in)- doesn't seem to effect the gameplay but does look off just a bit)

Thanks! Not a dealbreaker on these units but just wanted to make sure I was seeing what I was seeing.

SInce you have one setup can you check one more thing - I noticed on mine in the Pacman game the maze portions seem to flicker a bit -- I'm not sure if it is from the 5V input I'm using rather than 6V so can you see if yours does the same (if not I have another voltage regulator I can use instead that would provide the 6V but don't want to swap it out if it isn't going to change anything - since again it doesn't effect gameplay !)

Actually so far I have only used mine on batteries (so 6v) and haven't noticed any flickering.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on June 26, 2014, 04:00:51 pm
Actually so far I have only used mine on batteries (so 6v) and haven't noticed any flickering.

Thanks -- guess it's time to check all the connections then and make sure I didn't leave any loose connections or accidentally include a couple strands of ground wires in any of the splices that might be causing it. (figure I didn't see it (that I can remember) while using the 4 1.2A rechargeables so I'm pretty sure it isn't a voltage issue)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Locke141 on June 26, 2014, 04:06:30 pm

  2.) An old parallel port (printer) A-B switch. (Not sure if it will handle the bandwidth of the video signal.   :dunno)


I think thats what rCadeGaming used on his amasing "Analog A/V Setup - 240p Goodness" thread. I just re-read a bit of it and it looks like he did a lot of modding to the switch. His way may be a little over kill but the switch boxes he uses look promising place to start.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,129501.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,129501.0.html)

Scott was clearly struck down by Darth Vader and now guides us all in his more powerful disembodied form.   
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on July 02, 2014, 10:59:56 pm
Continuing with the custom theme:

A buddy of mine built me a custom 8 foot power cable using IEC C-029 and P-029 connectors, red wire, with a black mesh cover.

I figured 8 feet, because well, A. Not many people do an 8 foot cable, so thats custom. And B, sometimes even with a 6 foot cable you just don't have enough, or with a 12 its just too much.   ;D

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2937/14375813760_ebe5c3f5e7_c.jpg)

(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2901/14560843564_9c57d0aac3_c.jpg)

(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3912/14376050767_b1b71d1a71_c.jpg)


I got the idea after seeing the cable he made for one of his desktops:

(http://scontent-a.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xpf1/t51.2885-15/10401725_1540754629485426_281293647_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ViriiGuy on July 02, 2014, 11:06:19 pm
I got a line on some cheap molex, and art wise use Brad: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html)

So happy I want with him for my printing.

I'll second using Bradley. Quality stuff.
Hehe, you just wait till you see what he's printing for me right now. Guys a PRO!

I will Third, fourth, fifth or whatever Brad's work!
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/viriiguy/DSCN2473_zps93ff71ec.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/viriiguy/DSCN2472_zps8b6ed8ec.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/viriiguy/DSCN2469_zps6a6ce142.jpg)
(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b185/viriiguy/DSCN2468_zpsc44e9e43.jpg)

He worked HARD with me to make sure that those head pieces were the absolute perfect size.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on July 02, 2014, 11:14:51 pm
 :applaud: Man that's SOLID.

I love the classic Transformers art. Brad does amazing work.  I'm digging the two tone t-moulding too!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ViriiGuy on July 02, 2014, 11:38:44 pm
Thanks! I spent WAY too much on the project. But I love the end results. I hied a TF artist named Javier Reyes to do the art for me. He also designed my Miata as an autobot. It is going on the front of the cabinet one day.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on July 03, 2014, 12:00:57 am
Don't I know it. These projects aren't cheap.

Make sure you post those for others who don't follow my builds to see. Oh and if you haven't already don't forget to send them to Brad and post them in his B/S/T thread here.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,134866.0.html)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ViriiGuy on July 03, 2014, 07:08:24 am
Amen on that!!! I don't want to say how much I spent on it.. But it was more than a lot of real pinball tables.. And less than some :)
Brad has the pics from my build on Hyperspin. But I will throw together a thread for here this weekend if I get a chance.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Locke141 on July 27, 2014, 10:24:01 am
I just wanted to share my build inspired by this project.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=313345;image)

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140348.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,140348.0.html)
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on July 27, 2014, 11:52:57 am
 :applaud: that's cool!
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 27, 2015, 11:47:21 pm
"Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic."

YIKES!  ...I told you this project was gonna take time.


Here's a little update for you folks, (i'm not killing this build).

Inspired by Jaharr01's "Woody" Office Desktop build, found here (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,143327.0.html) (Amazing how some things come full circle huh?). I've planned to scale this build back.  I'm making it smaller, simpler, and cheaper.  After reading his build, and realizing i really wanted something on my desk as well i figured why not... I went online and scoped out Kijiji for dual screen portable DVD players.  It must have been my lucky day because i nabbed this Coby set for $20! (thats like $2.74 for you Yanks, ;) ). The kit is near mint, included all the accessories, most of which are still wrapped up, all the original packaging, cables, etc. its like they bough it (probably for around $99-$230CAN), used it a couple times and then it just sat on a shelf.  Picture quality isn't amazeballs, but its getting a $25 plug-n-play, so who cares!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7336/15765476223_b3a8d1d739_c.jpg)

The beauty of it is the second screen. It's a self contained display with component and audio in speakers, headphone jack, etc.  I took a quick look inside and figure its going to be simple to solder, hack, and mod this to fit a small arcade enclosure with a couple buttons on it.  On top of that i'll have the second screen which i can save for another project.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7375/15765477403_9c6d8ddde1_c.jpg)

Its probably going to be another 120 days until i do another update as i want to focus on my other build(s), as this is still just an ever changing side project for fun.  :dunno
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jdbailey1206 on January 28, 2015, 06:21:30 am
120 days and all I get is a monitor update?  Weak! :laugh:
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Generic Eric on January 28, 2015, 09:23:34 am
What does the other side look like?  Can you debezel this?
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 28, 2015, 09:25:40 am
It's too bad you couldn't use those in portrait orientation, with the game taking up the whole screen.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on January 28, 2015, 09:49:58 am
sell me the extra screen
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: yotsuya on January 28, 2015, 09:51:42 am
sell me the extra screen

He'll need that for Project Code Name: Yellow Fever II: Fever Harder.  >:D
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Generic Eric on January 28, 2015, 09:51:47 am
sell me the extra screen

Why didn't I think of this? 

@ChanceKJ  I'll give you even money.  $2.47.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 29, 2015, 09:17:03 pm
What does the other side look like?  Can you debezel this?

Yes, and I will. I'm just cleaning up a teardown of one of the CPs on my cocktail before I rip apart another project. Gotta stay focused. I'll get that done tonight and if I get some extra time I'll set aside those Vs. Panels and do a quick teardown for you instead.

It's too bad you couldn't use those in portrait orientation, with the game taking up the whole screen.

Been thinking about this. It is, but the 4:3 mode on the screen should be enough. Wait,... You know what, ---fudgesicle--- it, it's going on my desk at work. You find me an easy way to rotate the video signal 90° and we'll see :D

sell me the extra screen

Why didn't I think of this? 

@ChanceKJ  I'll give you even money.  $2.47.

Sorry guys, I have plans for them both now. :)  seriously, check craigslist or kijiji for "dual dvd". It's bound to be more common then searching for a Nintendo cab. :( Le sigh....
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: jaharr01 on January 30, 2015, 08:36:22 pm
I'm not sure that rotation thing is easily done chance. I did some research, I think it's a little tough

Jay
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: ChanceKJ on January 30, 2015, 09:45:24 pm
I'm not sure that rotation thing is easily done chance. I did some research, I think it's a little tough. Jay

Yeah, i figured as much.  Meh.

What does the other side look like?  Can you debezel this?

Took some photos for you last night, but didn't get a chance to post them.

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8561/16213489050_9f4267d268_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7330/15780850293_f7d79d9440_c.jpg)

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7361/15778415124_d48e91c013_c.jpg)

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8617/15780847203_06cabb4a7c_c.jpg)

Ok, so a few findings...  I didn't pull the screen any further apart then that last picture. there seems to be a small bit of double sided tape along the bottom of the front on the other side from the cables. I reassembled after these. but there are no mounting holes on the LCD.  Not really a bad thing, because you'd need a solution for mounting the PCB as well.  As far as i think, the best course of action would be to modify the white later of plastic, as both a mount, and the mount for the PCB. it would work like a charm. the other side of the white layer have a bit of a frame that would hold the panel in place. a couple small strips of 2x tape or some glue and you'd be good.

the power and button daughterboards could also be easily relocated as well. one could also solder to the underside of the PCB for the audio/video ports and retain the jacks if you ever wanted to repurpose the PCB.

The only thing i had to clip were the two speakers. nut i'd be running new wires to them anyway, as the leads aren't long enough for anything other then if they were to be mounted under the LCD.

These little players are AWESOME. my only complaint is the slightly below average display quality, but its not like i'd be on it for HOURS.

Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on January 30, 2015, 10:17:51 pm
sell me the extra screen
Also keep an eye on EBAY under Slave screen or dual screen and you can find some for a decent price -- For Example this one for $22 shipped (not real bad but can usually find cheaper) -- ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-PD7012-7-LCD-SLAVE-Screen-MONITOR-ONLY-WORKS-GREAT-/271750168382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f45927f3e (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Philips-PD7012-7-LCD-SLAVE-Screen-MONITOR-ONLY-WORKS-GREAT-/271750168382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f45927f3e) )

or THIS ONE HAS 4 AVAILABLE FOR $20 - ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-PD7012-37-Portable-DVD-Player-7-SLAVE-SCREEN-ONLY-4-AVAILABLE-/301507824331?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633444acb (http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-PD7012-37-Portable-DVD-Player-7-SLAVE-SCREEN-ONLY-4-AVAILABLE-/301507824331?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4633444acb) )
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: Malenko on January 31, 2015, 09:30:18 am
problem is, none of those ever come with power cords and the sellers never respond when I ask for specifics to find a replacement cord.
Title: Re: Simplistic Pac-Man Bartop (Project Code Name: Yellow Fever)
Post by: JDFan on January 31, 2015, 09:41:43 am
problem is, none of those ever come with power cords and the sellers never respond when I ask for specifics to find a replacement cord.

I usually do a google search on the model number of the screen\DVD player and\or look at the pic of the back of the monitor if given usually one or the other will give a look at the power specs ( FIgure most of them are pretty flexible since they are designed to work on 9V - 12V since they are designed to run on car voltages and only take a small amount of power.

For example the $20 ones I linked with a google search comes a link to the Manual  ( http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/p/pd7012_37/pd7012_37_dfu_eng.pdf (http://download.p4c.philips.com/files/p/pd7012_37/pd7012_37_dfu_eng.pdf) ) and in it :
Quote
Input: 100-240V 50/60Hz 0.3A
Output: DC 9V 0.8A

SO you'd need an adapter that provides 9V and at least 0.8A which should be fairly easy to find at your local Goodwill ! OR a quick Google search for 9V DC power adapter comes up with this EBAY one for $1.95 shipped ( http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-to-DC-9V-1A-Converter-charger-Adapter-Power-Supply-1000-mA-5-5X2-1-2-5X0-7-/171414833630?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6393 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-to-DC-9V-1A-Converter-charger-Adapter-Power-Supply-1000-mA-5-5X2-1-2-5X0-7-/171414833630?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6393) ) which is 9V 1.0A so would work fine !