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Title: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on March 04, 2011, 11:11:31 am
I received a PM from Channelmaniac, who is also a moderator over at KLOV, letting me know that it looks like RAM Controls may be on a similar route previously travelled by SlikStik. Lots of orders outstanding -- almost $25K worth last I checked.

I have updated the RAM Controls listing in the wiki (http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Ram_Controls) with a warning and link to the thread over at KLOV.

Link to big thread on KLOV (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867)

Link To Google Spreadsheet Listing People Missing Orders (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An_RLk7EK5WtdFVhbnJBMDBCbzBoamlQZldvRTQwYXc&hl=en&authkey=CPDFuqsL#gid=0)

You can email rippedoffbyramcontrols@gmail.com to add your name to the spreadsheet.

I hate these kind of threads and hate to see this happen, particularly on this scale. I have done well by Dave, but then the same was true of my dealings with Christian.

 :badmood:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ark_ader on March 04, 2011, 11:27:20 am
I received a PM from Channelmaniac, who is also a moderator over at KLOV, letting me know that it looks like RAM Controls may be on a similar route previously travelled by SlikStik. Lots of orders outstanding -- almost $25K worth last I checked.

I have updated the RAM Controls listing in the wiki (http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Ram_Controls) with a warning and link to the thread over at KLOV.

Link to big thread on KLOV (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867)

Link To Google Spreadsheet Listing People Missing Orders (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An_RLk7EK5WtdFVhbnJBMDBCbzBoamlQZldvRTQwYXc&hl=en&authkey=CPDFuqsL#gid=0)

You can email rippedoffbyramcontrols@gmail.com to add your name to the spreadsheet.

I hate these kind of threads and hate to see this happen, particularly on this scale. I have done well by Dave, but then the same was true of my dealings with Christian.

 :badmood:

Well I hope you accusation is accurate, as Dave has always kept his word.

If you are wrong about this...... ::)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: bkenobi on March 04, 2011, 11:28:40 am
spreadsheet linkie no workie
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: milhouse on March 04, 2011, 11:32:54 am
That's too bad.  Their work his high quality.  I receive an order about 2 weeks ago from them.  Took a couple of weeks to get to me, and I initiated a paypal dispute to make sure I got it, but it did get here. Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on March 04, 2011, 11:38:13 am
Well I hope you accusation is accurate, as Dave has always kept his word.

If you are wrong about this...... ::)

I made no accusations whatsoever -- just relaying the news from KLOV.

We know for fact that there are BYOACers who have still not received orders, and for more than Star Wars yokes, so I'm not sure how you can claim that Dave always keeps his word.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: VanillaGorilla on March 04, 2011, 12:26:34 pm
This is just sad.  :cry: I've no reason to fell taken advantage of personally, my dealings with dave/ram have been stellar, but the last thing the community needs is to be taken advantage of. It just ain't right. There must be some behavioral health issues at play, or a family stressor. Such a shame, I thought he was a well intentioned guy, but the spreadsheet tells the tale. Looks like plain fraud, especially when you consider the Star Wars cockpit cabs that he has 'sold'.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Hoopz on March 04, 2011, 01:11:10 pm
spreadsheet linkie no workie
It's a Google Doc that's being shared so you'll need a Google account to sign in to in order to see it.

Or else CheffoJeffo updated the link and it wasn't working properly before but is now.   :dunno
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Crayola on March 04, 2011, 01:34:54 pm
Dave is definitly ripping people off. This has been going on for a few months on the KLOV
forum. 28k is just the tip of the iceburg. They are beginning to organize to go after him
from a criminal/civil pov I believe.

Stay as far away from Ram Controls as you can.

Crayola
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: bkenobi on March 04, 2011, 02:38:11 pm
spreadsheet linkie no workie
It's a Google Doc that's being shared so you'll need a Google account to sign in to in order to see it.

Or else CheffoJeffo updated the link and it wasn't working properly before but is now.   :dunno
Yeah, apparently my work filters Google spreadsheets due to "inappropriate content".  Whatever.   :dunno
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on March 04, 2011, 02:46:19 pm
This is very sad and disappointing. Dave's engineering and meticulousness is beyond reproach (from what I have seen in photographs and customer's reviews). To lose that kind of contribution to this hobby is a major loss regardless of the cause.

I wish Dave would reach out to locals and just ask for help, if, you know... he's in "trouble". (I don't mean like begging for money, but help getting orders out and dealt with to relieve whatever stress has him over his head). Of course, a sane person would shut down taking orders until such problems are remedied, so some of my sympathy here isn't fully deserved.
 :-\
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BobA on March 04, 2011, 04:41:44 pm
The total amount of losses make an action quite unlikely.  Knowing what lawyers charge they could eat up way more than the amount lost in a week.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: milhouse on March 04, 2011, 05:14:06 pm
I'm an attorney and while this should not be construed as legal advice and I am not admitted in CA, this is actually a decent case to pursue and the kind of thing that an individual could do without an attorney.  Its ideal particularly because CA's consumer protection statutes are very consumer-friendly and depending on the circumstances of an individual transaction, could result in treble damages.  I don't know if you are allowed to in CA, but some states will allow you to appear by phone to argue your case, or alternatively, do everything by written motion so that you could sue the company in CA.  Alternatively you might be able to sue locally, and probably win via default (assuming no one appears to respond to your complaint).  Collecting on that judgment might be a pain though as you'd have to deal with CA on that. 

So its not that hard and it can easily be done without an attorney.  Its mostly a pain in the ass, and a time-suck, as is all litigation.

Not legal advice, etc.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on March 04, 2011, 06:50:18 pm
I received a PM from Channelmaniac, who is also a moderator over at KLOV, letting me know that it looks like RAM Controls may be on a similar route previously travelled by SlikStik. Lots of orders outstanding -- almost $25K worth last I checked.

I have updated the RAM Controls listing in the wiki (http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/wiki/Ram_Controls) with a warning and link to the thread over at KLOV.

Link to big thread on KLOV (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867)

Link To Google Spreadsheet Listing People Missing Orders (https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0An_RLk7EK5WtdFVhbnJBMDBCbzBoamlQZldvRTQwYXc&hl=en&authkey=CPDFuqsL#gid=0)

You can email rippedoffbyramcontrols@gmail.com to add your name to the spreadsheet.

I hate these kind of threads and hate to see this happen, particularly on this scale. I have done well by Dave, but then the same was true of my dealings with Christian.

 :badmood:

Well I hope you accusation is accurate, as Dave has always kept his word.

If you are wrong about this...... ::)

I'd be interested in knowing how RAM could deliver full working REPRO Cockpits as he's sold to MULTIPLE PEOPLE over at KLOV.   Seriously.  How is the man going to delivery FULL REPRO cockpits when he doesn't have the artwork... plus I am pretty sure he's not reproing the SW boardsets... or the amp tubes... or the amp chassis... or... or... or...

Please... do you really think the guy can come through with FULLY REPROED COCKPITS that he's already SOLD to multiple people?

For those doubting the guy was pre-selling FULL COCKPITS...take a look at this page that a KLOVian member saved before RAM took it down.

(http://www.720zone.com/images/Ram_Controls_SW_Sale.jpg)

Bah... the software here resizes.  Here is a direct link:

http://www.720zone.com/Ram-Controls-SW-Sale.html (http://www.720zone.com/Ram-Controls-SW-Sale.html)
I feel real bad for those being taken for a ride... ESPECIALLY those who pre-paid for FULL COCKPITS at just about $3K.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Bender on March 04, 2011, 08:02:36 pm
I have had good luck with Ram Controls and the quality of the products are first rate, but anyone who has been following this site knows Dave has had serious issues filling orders, so one should take precautions when ordering, use a credit card, get tracking #, etc

I'd like to see a list of OUR members who still have outstanding orders I know there are a few, but have no idea many, my hunch is that there are not that many

Half of the money from that  goggle list are for Star Wars Cab pre Orders, so I think that $24K is a little deceiving
having said that I would NEVER, EVER pre order from Ram Controls
I really hope with outstanding orders get resolved soon, this just so disturbing
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Hoopz on March 04, 2011, 08:08:14 pm
I have had good luck with Ram Controls and the quality of the products are first rate, but anyone who has been following this site knows Dave has had serious issues filling orders, so one should take precautions when ordering, use a credit card, get tracking #, etc

I'd like to see a list of OUR members who still have outstanding orders I know there are a few, but have no idea many, my hunch is that there are not that many

Half of the money from that  goggle list are for Star Wars Cab pre Orders, so I think that $24K is a little deceiving
having said that I would NEVER, EVER pre order from Ram Controls
I really hope with outstanding orders get resolved soon, this just so disturbing
Surely, you jest?  How can the list be deceiving when Dave hasn't delivered on what he took payment for?  Just because they are more expensive items doesn't make his fraud any less.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on March 04, 2011, 08:29:05 pm
I have had good luck with Ram Controls and the quality of the products are first rate, but anyone who has been following this site knows Dave has had serious issues filling orders, so one should take precautions when ordering, use a credit card, get tracking #, etc

I'd like to see a list of OUR members who still have outstanding orders I know there are a few, but have no idea many, my hunch is that there are not that many

Half of the money from that  goggle list are for Star Wars Cab pre Orders, so I think that $24K is a little deceiving
having said that I would NEVER, EVER pre order from Ram Controls
I really hope with outstanding orders get resolved soon, this just so disturbing

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: yotsuya on March 04, 2011, 09:04:43 pm
I thought he had someone helping him already?

It's probably telling that his site advertises the January sale- in March.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Bender on March 04, 2011, 09:06:22 pm

Surely, you jest?  How can the list be deceiving when Dave hasn't delivered on what he took payment for?  Just because they are more expensive items doesn't make his fraud any less.

um...  isn't that what a pre-order is?


And Frizz, I do love me some Kool-Aid :cheers:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gatt on March 04, 2011, 09:18:59 pm
I guess it's time for me to add fuel to the fire and tell my whole story,  I don't have a KLOV account so perhaps some kind soul could cross-post this so those members can read it too since it's now extremely relevant?

On roughly Dec 29th 2009 I ordered a star wars yoke and USB board,  totalling around $450 with shipping.  Like many others here,  I didn't receive my items.

In mid-April 2010,  or thereabouts I go to the gas station and my card is declined.  I come home to a huge stack of insufficient funds notices in my mailbox.  I was confused,  I'd $600 in my account.  I log into my bank account and find...

...Ramcontrols had charged me again for the items,  and then put through a third charge the next day.  They charged me $900 in two days in April for something I paid for in December.

I contacted them immediately via e-mail,  and received a response just a couple hours later...

Quote
Ryan,
 
Can you give me the last four digits of the credit card in question?  Those dates coincide when we were working on the shopping cart system, so this sounds like something we may have inadvertently caused.  Please get back to me as soon as possible so I may correct it.
 
Thank you for your time and please accept my apologies for the situation.
 
Dave

It's important to note at this point,  I've a degree in computer science.  I know he can simply look up in his records when my name was charged,  he doesn't require the last 4 digits of my card to look up the transaction,  he would have had listed 3 sets of the items to be delivered.  Not only that,  but it would be *extremely* odd for an update to the shopping cart system to suddenly choose just one single charge and repeat it,  two days in a row,  4 months after the charges were entered.  Https is a non-state based system,  my data should've been flushed right after commiting.  Not suddenly reappearing as a new entry 4 months later.  It's possible he chose to use my information to test two days in a row,  but who in their right mind would use a customer's valid information to test their system?  

The next day I go to the bank,  get some runaround about the now -$900 my account is at between his extra charges and the crap ton of ISF notices.  I end up disputing the charges,  and get my money back for the April debacle.

Mind you,  at this point,  none of you can get him to respond to your emails,  despite my being late in the queue for yokes,  I get mine about 6 weeks later.

Personally,  I think people who have dealt with Dave may want to take a few minutes to review their transation history around the month of April 2010.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on March 04, 2011, 09:34:26 pm
I'd like to see a list of OUR members who still have outstanding orders I know there are a few, but have no idea many, my hunch is that there are not that many

Are you freaking kidding me?!?

OK.  How's this?!?!  I'm one of "OUT" members and I still have outstanding orders...  in the order of $500 cash and around $800 worth of parts...  and no I did not pre-order anything from him.  

Anyway, what freaking difference does it make how many of "OUR" members are owed?

I have supported Dave.  I even loaned money to finish the Yokes as I believed in him.  He screwed me...  "a friend" just like everyone else...

Attitudes like yours really, really piss me off!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Xiaou2 on March 04, 2011, 09:48:37 pm
I have a feeling that Dave was trying to stockpile cash in order to get large projects funded.  However, this just isnt the correct way to do things... even if it was well intended.

 Dave, unlike the SlickStick dude, seems to be very professional and knowledgeable.  I wouldnt expect such a person so rip people off, as that could wreck their reputation, and cause them big trouble getting a nice paying job in the future.

 I could be wrong...

 Then again, maybe this guy is just way too scatterbrained to manage stuff like this.  Maybe in huge debt, and no clue about how to get out of it...

 Very sad.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on March 04, 2011, 10:03:56 pm
Attitudes like yours really, really piss me off!

Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rockin_rick on March 04, 2011, 10:32:04 pm
I am also a KLOV member and have been following along and participating over there.  I am one of the people that Dave has screwed over.  It was actually a BST thread on THIS forum that he got me.  Here is the thread, but he deleted his post not long afterwards.... http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89824 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=89824)


I sent him a money order for $580 for the parts in this post, which were a Williams boardset lot, plus some other parts.  They never showed up.  He claimed that USPS lost them, but they were insured.  He claimed that he filed insurance claims, to which I checked and he didn't.  Another KLOV user (BYOAC too?), Powermeup, actually bought the lot.  Dave led me on for a long time, and eventually we agreed that he'd send me some parts and owe me a $450 refund.  I did receive those few parts, but was still owed $450.  That was a long ordeal, to which it was never completed.  He claimed how he was using Kalan's PayPal account, and that he would PP the refund to me, but excuses, and more excuses.  I gave up hope for a while.  This was the time when he was loved for giving away freebies, I didn't think I'd get much sympathy. Then I saw the posts on KLOV about how LOTS of people were in the same situation as me.  I contacted Dave, and offered to accept 'store credit' in hopes of actually getting something.  He quickly responded and offered me a 2 for 1 deal, meaning that I'd get $900 of store credit.  Cool, I thought.  I placed the order, and nothing.  Nothing.  He might as well offered me 10x store credit, since he wasn't going to fulfill it anyway.  It's been two months since that now, and still nothing.

I've filed Mail fraud charges online for this, as it is applicable since the mail was used during part of the transaction (me mailing him the money order).  If you have an outstanding deal with Dave/Ram Controls and used the mail, please file mail fraud charges at: https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/mailfraudcomplaint.aspx (https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/mailfraudcomplaint.aspx)

I really hope that no one else gets taken by Dave.  I can't imagine someone doing any deals with him, regardless of how much they want his products.  It's not worth it.

Rick

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on March 04, 2011, 10:46:12 pm
I have a feeling that Dave was trying to stockpile cash in order to get large projects funded.  However, this just isnt the correct way to do things... even if it was well intended.

 Dave, unlike the SlickStick dude, seems to be very professional and knowledgeable.  I wouldnt expect such a person so rip people off, as that could wreck their reputation, and cause them big trouble getting a nice paying job in the future.

I could be wrong...

---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---!  This is now criminal.  To collect $ from people for an arcade cabinet that was never reproed and then tell them that they have shipped and that the shipping company went out of business?!?  That's well intended?  I know this first hand as I know 2 people personally that sent him over $2500 each and were told repeatedly that the cab was shipped.  Heck, Dave told me on the phone that he shipped them!

Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.

I will not chill out.  What freaking difference does it make how manyu BYOAC members are affected?  Go to the spreadsheet and take a look!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on March 04, 2011, 10:48:44 pm
Attitudes like yours really, really piss me off!

Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.

I think his statement is fair.

For my part, I see at least 6 BYOACers on the list and know of two more that had to chargeback on their credit cards. There are others who had money refunded by Dave and still others who haven't had their names added to the list.

Further, I think the calibre of the people on the list (and some who have charged back, but aren't on the list) speaks volumes. MAMErs may not know about some of the folks on that list, but I was shocked to see some CoinOp greats who don't post here and folks like Channel and RetroActive, who have been great contributors here and elsewhere ...

Chad and Mamemaster I could overlook, but Dave has gone too far ... Or is it not far enough ?  :dizzy:

 ::)

Edit: rockinrick is one of those 6 members that I mention. You might not know him, but I have owed him an apology at least once before, so he definitely counts as a BYOACer!   :cheers:



Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: pinballwizard79 on March 05, 2011, 01:15:58 am
Whoa a BYOAC peer stole from you? Damn thats really eff'd up.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on March 05, 2011, 01:37:27 am
Geez, chill out. I would also like to know how many BYOAC members are out since BYOAC is the only arcade forum I visit regularly. It would give some of us more perspective.

I will not chill out.  What freaking difference does it make how manyu BYOAC members are affected?  Go to the spreadsheet and take a look!

By all means, keep being a spaz. Lot of good it's doing.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on March 05, 2011, 02:20:04 am
I have supported Dave.  I even loaned money to finish the Yokes as I believed in him.  He screwed me...  "a friend" just like everyone else...

What do you mean you loaned him money? I don't recall hearing of this before.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: channelmaniac on March 05, 2011, 02:26:36 am
There are others who had money refunded by Dave and still others who haven't had their names added to the list.

Thanks CJ,

I'm one of the ones that had money refunded - not by Dave, but by PayPal. I filed at day 42 (or was it 43?) of not receiving the IC chips I paid for and PayPal gave me a summary judgment after hearing nothing from Dave.

It really sucks since Dave had some parts I really wanted and needed. But, at least PP gave me my $1500 back.

RJ
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: isucamper on March 05, 2011, 08:51:03 am
Man, this all sounds like Bernie Madoff and his pyramid scheme.  For years he builds this reputation of building great parts; maybe he's a little loose with coming through on the orders but he's always visible and always making promises to make up for it, just enough so that everyone is kept on the line and in anticipation of his next big item.

Then, at the cusp of it all, he offers something ridiculous with a humongous price tage, a fully reprode Star Wars machine, something he could never, ever come through on, but he's maintained just enough of a reputation that the pre orders roll in, and then he just freaking disappears. 

I hate to add fuel to the fire but this whole star wars thing, it seems like it could have been the coup de grace of a premeditated, 5 year long scam on all of us.  Hope this all gets resolved.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on March 05, 2011, 11:08:19 am
I have supported Dave.  I even loaned money to finish the Yokes as I believed in him.  He screwed me...  "a friend" just like everyone else...

What do you mean you loaned him money? I don't recall hearing of this before.

That's because I had no reason to make it public... I loaned him some money that he needed to complete the Yokes project.  I loaned it to him for "a month or two".  it was several months later before i started getting some money back from him.  While I got most of it back, I still have a bunch of $ and parts owed that I fear I will never see.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: LeedsFan on March 06, 2011, 03:48:33 am
Aren't people who pay by PayPal or credit card covered if they receive no goods? I know here in the UK we are covered on credit card if something like a holiday company goes bust etc.etc. but I've never been in a situation where I've had to make a claim like that.

I think people have every right to be angry about this. Asking for people to calm down also does no good either. The forums are here for a reason and if people want to voice their opinion... no matter how angry they are... then they should do so.

Having said that I'm one of the very lucky people who ordered a yoke in November and got one delivered to the UK in double quick time. Having seen the quality at first hand I can say without a shadow of a doubt that it is a tremendous shame to lose such a vendor from this hobby. That statement is based purely on the quality of the goods of course. If people get ripped off then they have every right to shout about it.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gatt on March 06, 2011, 04:31:21 am
Aren't people who pay by PayPal or credit card covered if they receive no goods? I know here in the UK we are covered on credit card if something like a holiday company goes bust etc.etc. but I've never been in a situation where I've had to make a claim like that.

There's a time limit on disputing charges.  If you don't dispute within that timeframe the transaction is set in stone.  So one could theorize that the delaying tactics were intended to push the majority of charges outside of that timeframe making them ineligible.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: channelmaniac on March 06, 2011, 01:11:11 pm
It's gotten so crazy with different people filing lawsuits and criminal complaints that the Admin over on the KLOV forums created a whole subsection in the feedback area to deal with RAM Controls.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=174442 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=174442)

And it's viewable by anyone, even those not logged in so that Google will crawl and index it. This should help folks that Google for his business.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: channelmaniac on March 06, 2011, 01:49:59 pm
They've got the important threads locked down so you can't read them... so....

 :dunno

Don't bother with paypal disputes.  Contact your bank or credit card company.  You have 120 days.

Odd, I can read all the thread in that section. Are you logged in as a user?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on March 07, 2011, 04:00:48 pm
Aren't people who pay by PayPal or credit card covered if they receive no goods? I know here in the UK we are covered on credit card if something like a holiday company goes bust etc.etc. but I've never been in a situation where I've had to make a claim like that.
If it were a common commercial good, you'd file a dispute and get what you wanted from another vendor. Here, we're talking about items not available anywhere else on the planet. So people are going to be [have been] more lenient on delays.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on March 08, 2011, 11:24:13 am
Aren't people who pay by PayPal or credit card covered if they receive no goods? I know here in the UK we are covered on credit card if something like a holiday company goes bust etc.etc. but I've never been in a situation where I've had to make a claim like that.
If it were a common commercial good, you'd file a dispute and get what you wanted from another vendor. Here, we're talking about items not available anywhere else on the planet. So people are going to be [have been] more lenient on delays.


This is why he always uses preorders, too.  Expected delivery dates will always push it out beyond the 30 day Paypal dispute limit.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ids on March 08, 2011, 08:34:33 pm
spreadsheet does not seem to be growing (and there is a duplicate)

Curious what a spreadsheet of shipped orders would look like.  Sorry, not trying to fan the flames, troll, or minimize the losses of those in limbo.  But some of us did get our stuff, and it is quality stuff at that.  I would like to see a positive resolution to all this asap.  For those waiting, I hope you can get a refund, or the goods.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on March 08, 2011, 09:38:51 pm
What do you mean you loaned him money? I don't recall hearing of this before.

That's because I had no reason to make it public... I loaned him some money that he needed to complete the Yokes project.  I loaned it to him for "a month or two".  it was several months later before i started getting some money back from him.  While I got most of it back, I still have a bunch of $ and parts owed that I fear I will never see.

I think knowing Dave needed money for anything would've kept a lot of people from ordering. So now you got stuck with some of the same the others have gotten stuck.
Title: Liquidators?
Post by: shrunkenmaster on March 12, 2011, 05:01:04 am
Even though I've read all about the ongoing dramas with Ram Controls, I decided to order a Star Wars USB Interface to see what happens. Before anyone calls me a total idiot, I am aware that I may never receive the product, but I will claim a refund through PayPal/Credit Card if I don't hear anything after 30 days.

Anyway, here's the interesting part - check the image below. Ram Control's email address? Seems like the boys have moved in already. If so, it's very naughty that they're still taking orders.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Samstag on March 12, 2011, 01:29:18 pm
I hope you used a credit card.  Paypal can't refund your money if they can't get it back from Ram's account.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on March 12, 2011, 02:12:13 pm
Yes Samstag!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on March 12, 2011, 03:55:29 pm
I called the number...

It's Dave's voice on the message...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: taylormadelv on March 13, 2011, 10:55:22 am
A real "watershed" moment for me was when I read how DPWIZ(who makes cabinets from scratch on a CNC) said he did not have a single SW cabinet order from Dave, even though Dave accepted thousands of $ in pre-orders that were never filled and never had any intention of filling. Then, the realization that even if Dave had all the wood cut, the two people on this planet with access to SW art films/files would NEVER print art for him; these SW units were an impossibility from the very start. So the SW units are just complete fraud, pure and simple. Thing is, that he ripped peeps off in Australia and I guess this gums up the legal process. But there's a lynch mob after Dave now, he's toast and might end up in jail.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: nexusmtz on March 13, 2011, 09:54:39 pm
...Ramcontrols had charged me again for the items,  and then put through a third charge the next day.  They charged me $900 in two days in April for something I paid for in December.
{...}
Personally,  I think people who have dealt with Dave may want to take a few minutes to review their transation history around the month of April 2010.

Very similar issue on my USB interface order, also in April. I ordered 1, I was charged for 5 of them -- 3 TIMES! Curiously, that also worked out to about $900. No wonder 'they' needed your card number. With multiple $900 charges, it would get hard to tell them apart.

Dave got the 'errors' straightened out quickly, but as Gatt said, everyone should check their statements if they used their credit card with Ram.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on March 16, 2011, 07:36:58 pm
I guess some people have no problem doing business with a criminal.

I do.

Shame.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SavannahLion on April 04, 2011, 11:46:51 pm
....the two people on this planet with access to SW art films/files would NEVER print art for him; .....

Forgive me for asking but... why not? Is it to do with him not filling his orders or is it some other reason?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on April 05, 2011, 03:17:55 pm
....the two people on this planet with access to SW art films/files would NEVER print art for him; .....

Forgive me for asking but... why not? Is it to do with him not filling his orders or is it some other reason?

The two people who own the artwork have been screwed by the guy.  That is why not.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on April 06, 2011, 12:18:49 am
Even though I've read all about the ongoing dramas with Ram Controls, I decided to order a Star Wars USB Interface to see what happens. Before anyone calls me a total idiot, I am aware that I may never receive the product, but I will claim a refund through PayPal/Credit Card if I don't hear anything after 30 days.

Anyway, here's the interesting part - check the image below. Ram Control's email address? Seems like the boys have moved in already. If so, it's very naughty that they're still taking orders.

Do you have any news on your order?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on April 06, 2011, 01:12:18 pm
My order arrived today. Or should I say, AN order arrived. If you are Andrew McFarlane of Brisbane, Australia, I have your order for a Paperboy USB Interface.

It looks like this interface is the same as the Star Wars one - can anyone confirm this?

I'm still missing the yoke overlay though.

At least I received SOMETHING anyway, will let you know if/when anything else happens.....
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Hoopz on April 06, 2011, 01:22:41 pm
My order arrived today. Or should I say, AN order arrived. If you are Andrew McFarlane of Brisbane, Australia, I have your order for a Paperboy USB Interface.

It looks like this interface is the same as the Star Wars one - can anyone confirm this?

I'm still missing the yoke overlay though.

At least I received SOMETHING anyway, will let you know if/when anything else happens.....
That's about as ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up as it could get.   :banghead:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on April 06, 2011, 01:30:41 pm
Maybe next time I'll get a cockpit  :laugh2:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Hoopz on April 06, 2011, 01:32:13 pm
Maybe next time I'll get a cockpit  :laugh2:
That's pretty funny.   :laugh2:

With dealing with Dave, you'd probably get just a portion of a cockpit.  Probably minus the "pit". 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on April 06, 2011, 01:36:57 pm
NEWSFLASH !!!!

Just this second received this email from Dan Ram:

"Well this is not as bad as it may seem. The Paperboy and SW Yoke interface are identical, so really all I need to do is send you an overlay. I will drop you one in the mail tomorrow. I am sorry about the mix up.
 
Dan"


Hopefully things are getting better at Ram. Not perfect, but better.
 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: VanillaGorilla on April 06, 2011, 02:59:58 pm
Well thats a surprise. They are doing business...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on April 08, 2011, 11:20:11 am
Maybe next time I'll get a cockpit  :laugh2:
That's pretty funny.   :laugh2:

With dealing with Dave, you'd probably get just a portion of a cockpit.  Probably minus the "pit". 

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif)(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: VanillaGorilla on April 08, 2011, 02:25:46 pm
A free 4" shaft with all orders!!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on April 09, 2011, 06:31:40 pm
NEWSFLASH !!!!

Just this second received this email from Dan Ram:

"Well this is not as bad as it may seem. The Paperboy and SW Yoke interface are identical, so really all I need to do is send you an overlay. I will drop you one in the mail tomorrow. I am sorry about the mix up.
 
Dan"


.....did you send communication, or is someone monitoring this thread?......

And who is Dan?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on April 10, 2011, 07:10:25 am
I sent communication to Dan Johnston, Ram Controls Customer Service.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: MPS on April 10, 2011, 06:03:30 pm
My order arrived today. Or should I say, AN order arrived. If you are Andrew McFarlane of Brisbane, Australia, I have your order for a Paperboy USB Interface.

It looks like this interface is the same as the Star Wars one - can anyone confirm this?

I'm still missing the yoke overlay though.

At least I received SOMETHING anyway, will let you know if/when anything else happens.....

This is similar to my bad experience with RAM Controls last fall.  I ordered a USB yoke interface and a Firefox upright yoke overlay.  Dave took his sweet time on the shipment and gave me some BS excuse on the shipment delay since I was having it sent to a different address than my home address.  Once everything finally showed up, he sent the Star Wars overlay and not the Firefox overlay.  He refused to answer any communications from me until I filed a dispute through PayPal and then he had the NERVE to act as though I ordered the wrong overlay.

Needless to say, the promised overlay replacement never arrived, and I am still stuck with this Star Wars overlay I have no use for.

Good luck getting the overlay you are missing.  I hope you have better luck than I did.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on April 12, 2011, 07:25:07 pm
This is a bump for Steph of HobbyROMS, who is starting legal action and needs folks who have suffered losses to provide details for legal action.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=176040 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=176040)

Disclaimer: I do not know Steph personally, but we are members of the same collector community (e.g. "friends of friends") and I have done business and chatted with him online before. He is the real deal and honourable, so please trust him with your personal info for his legal action.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Sark on April 21, 2011, 02:32:11 pm
For the record, I placed an order for a SW reproduction yoke and USB interface on Feb 9 and just received it yesterday, April 20.  There's been a transition there at RAM and as it was explained to me Dave's company has been taken over by Dan Johnson.  Dan was actually very responsive to emails keeping me informed about catching up on Dave's previous orders.  This was very welcome as his correspondence started coming through just as I was giving up on trying to contact Dave, who never replied my emails.  Here's hoping Dan can continue to manage the operation and keep his head above water!  : )
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on April 21, 2011, 05:11:34 pm
For the record, I placed an order for a SW reproduction yoke and USB interface on Feb 9 and just received it yesterday, April 20.  There's been a transition there at RAM and as it was explained to me Dave's company has been taken over by Dan Johnson.  Dan was actually very responsive to emails keeping me informed about catching up on Dave's previous orders.  This was very welcome as his correspondence started coming through just as I was giving up on trying to contact Dave, who never replied my emails.  Here's hoping Dan can continue to manage the operation and keep his head above water!  : )

Interesting...  I was told that there are no built Yokes as some of the parts have been misplaced during the transition.  I am owed 2 yokes from WAY before Feb 9th!!!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: wp34 on April 21, 2011, 08:47:56 pm
Doesn't look like you can order Yokes at the moment.  The "add to cart" button is missing on their site.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: nick3092 on April 21, 2011, 09:55:51 pm
Doesn't look like you can order Yokes at the moment.  The "add to cart" button is missing on their site.

Specifically it says limited availability and to email for more info.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on April 21, 2011, 11:41:42 pm
As The World Turns.....
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on April 22, 2011, 12:24:04 pm
Anyone considering spending a dime (today) with RAM while they owe TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the arcade community should be ashamed of themselves.

For those who paid before and are getting stuff now... good show... glad you're getting your stuff.  That doesn't change the fact that RAM is a tainted company.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: VanillaGorilla on April 22, 2011, 02:20:31 pm
Anyone considering spending a dime (today) with RAM while they owe TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the arcade community should be ashamed of themselves.

For those who paid before and are getting stuff now... good show... glad you're getting your stuff.  That doesn't change the fact that RAM is a tainted company.

Is Dan Johnson a REAL person, or an alternate persona of Dave Adams?

The following in no way suggests that punitive action should NOT still be taken against Dave Adams:

BUT

It completely changes things if the business has LEGITIMATELY changed OWNERSHIP.

IF 'dan johnson' is the new owner, and dave is out of the picture, why should he be punished for the Daves misdoings?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on April 24, 2011, 07:54:06 pm
IF 'dan johnson' is the new owner, and dave is out of the picture, why should he be punished for the Daves misdoings?

All considered, it would be wise to wait and see whether the outstanding orders are completed. Then resume regular business/start buying again.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on April 24, 2011, 08:46:11 pm
Anyone considering spending a dime (today) with RAM while they owe TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to the arcade community should be ashamed of themselves.

For those who paid before and are getting stuff now... good show... glad you're getting your stuff.  That doesn't change the fact that RAM is a tainted company.

Is Dan Johnson a REAL person, or an alternate persona of Dave Adams?

The following in no way suggests that punitive action should NOT still be taken against Dave Adams:

BUT

It completely changes things if the business has LEGITIMATELY changed OWNERSHIP.

IF 'dan johnson' is the new owner, and dave is out of the picture, why should he be punished for the Daves misdoings?
Give me a break. There isn't even so much as a news announcement on the website. You should not be giving anyone the benefit of doubt until the facts prove as much. Until then, you should assume RAM = Dave.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RobotronNut on April 25, 2011, 07:58:11 pm
sorry i'm coming late to this thread...

Wow.
Wow.
Just, wow...

What. A. Nightmare.

i'm really sorry to hear about so many people still owed so much.

i suspect dave started this whole thing with good intentions, but, when it started getting away from him, instead of doing the honorable thing and making good to the best of his ability, he lied, covered up, and let it snowball into a de-facto pyramid scheme.

we saw the same thing with slickstick.
fortunately for me, i managed to get fair dealing from both christian and dave.

... I loaned him some money that he needed to complete the Yokes project.  ...

this tells us all we need to know.
for a long time, dave appeared to be well-intentioned, but disorganized.
now we know he was robbing peter to pay paul.
i'm afraid i don't have much optimism for anyone who is still owed something...
but i really hope at least some of you get what you're owed.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: MPS on May 11, 2011, 04:07:51 pm
For the record, I placed an order for a SW reproduction yoke and USB interface on Feb 9 and just received it yesterday, April 20.  There's been a transition there at RAM and as it was explained to me Dave's company has been taken over by Dan Johnson.  Dan was actually very responsive to emails keeping me informed about catching up on Dave's previous orders.  This was very welcome as his correspondence started coming through just as I was giving up on trying to contact Dave, who never replied my emails.  Here's hoping Dan can continue to manage the operation and keep his head above water!  : )

I'd like to echo Sark's comments.  I posted my issue with Dave Adams earlier in this thread.  Granted, it was a minor issue, but Dave did not take care of it.  I wanted it resolved since it involved a control panel overlay that I could only get from RAM.

Shrunkenmaster gave me Dan Johnson's e-mail address.  Dan was a pleasure to deal with and was very sympathetic of the problem.  I provided him with the original invoice number & the PayPal dispute number.  Within two days, he sent out the correct overlay.  His communications during those two days were outstanding.  I had more messages from Dan in two days than I did with Dave Adams in 8 months.  Dan also relayed to me that his company bought out RAM.

I'm not sure how things are going to get sorted out at RAM.  If Dave Adams is truly out of the picture, then perhaps the company has a good chance of redeeming itself.  Considering how well Dan handled my issue, I would be willing to take a chance and place another order with him. 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ids on May 11, 2011, 05:19:19 pm
Interesting timing - I just got a follow-up email from the new Dan Johnston regarding the busted SWYoke pot I complained about a while back.  This is more evidence of someone trolling the backlog of Ram emails.  In my case, the pot was replaced a long time ago, so no further action needed.  And MPS got an overlay was sent out, Sark got a Yoke...  I hear KLOV has other posts of things getting resolved.  Sounds like Dan is fixing things.  I hope this continues and faith is restored, cause anyone wanting RAM goods (e.g. Yoke) and holding off due to the uncertainty (or whatever you choose to call it) would be well served by a resolution here.  That yoke is freakin awesome!

I imagine anyone who loaned Dave money, or pre-ordered a SW Cockpit may have to go after Dave directly.

Any more stories, good or bad?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: nick3092 on May 11, 2011, 06:14:12 pm
I'm interested if Dan will be working on new products or if he is just going to be producing the the parts Dave had already designed.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on May 11, 2011, 07:25:21 pm
It'll be interesting to see how Dan can deliver multiple brand new reproduction Star Wars Cockpit cabinets...

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on May 12, 2011, 09:26:42 am
It'll be interesting to see how Dan can deliver multiple brand new reproduction Star Wars Cockpit cabinets...



me too
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: JustMichael on May 12, 2011, 10:54:39 am
I'm interested if Dan will be working on new products or if he is just going to be producing the the parts Dave had already designed.

No idea what Dan can do but I bet Dave will be making a new product in the not so distant future...  License Plates!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on May 12, 2011, 10:59:11 am
No idea what Dan can do but I bet Dave will be making a new product in the not so distant future...  License Plates!

(http://www.mobilecrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Outatime_Number_Plate.jpg)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on May 12, 2011, 11:07:54 am
I'm interested if Dan will be working on new products or if he is just going to be producing the the parts Dave had already designed.

No idea what Dan can do but I bet Dave will be making a new product in the not so distant future...  License Plates!

And Dave...  Adam... Dan...  The Mesiah will make good on the orders when they don't come through.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on May 12, 2011, 02:15:10 pm
The website (http://www.ram-controls.com/) news says that Dan works FOR Ram Controls:

3/15/11 - Please welcome Dan Johnston to the staff here at Ram Controls. Dan has taken the helm of the mail-order and wholesale departments of the company. His primary responsibility is to make sure the mail order and wholesale customers are well taken care of.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shilmover on May 12, 2011, 03:19:25 pm
The website (http://www.ram-controls.com/) news says that Dan works FOR Ram Controls:

3/15/11 - Please welcome Dan Johnston to the staff here at Ram Controls. Dan has taken the helm of the mail-order and wholesale departments of the company. His primary responsibility is to make sure the mail order and wholesale customers are well taken care of.



Right.  if you talk to Dan, he now owns RAM Controls...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: shrunkenmaster on May 20, 2011, 03:50:47 pm
Received my SW yoke overlay today. I had to email Dan to remind him it was missing from my order, but after that it took about 10 days to the UK.

Hope other people are having their orders fulfilled...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on June 15, 2011, 09:20:57 pm
More info can be found in this thread started by Dan explaining (so much as he is willing/able) the situation:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.0)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on June 16, 2011, 10:51:34 am
More info can be found in this thread started by Dan explaining (so much as he is willing/able) the situation:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.0)

The company is tainted.  Until the day the EVERYONE is paid back their money or parts, SCAM CONTROLS is tainted.  Period.

Whoever buys from them at this point is part of the problem and should be ashamed of themselves.

EDIT: I am just amazed at how short the memory of some here are.  Really.  It's almost like some of you LIKE to be bent over or something.  Are you people really that friggin' stupid?  Serious question.  This company has continually SCREWED the community for YEARS and because some other "D" named guy is now running it it's OK to buy from them?  Really???   Even thought this tainted company owes THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to people for parts promised but never EVEN MADE let alone delivered and you're running back to them like a bunch of ---smurfing--- lemmings because someone new is at the helm?

Some of you people are morons  ...and if that was just that I'd be ok with it... be stupid... unfortunately your BS praise for a tainted company will NO DOUBT convince newbs to buy from these thieves...and that is where I have a problem.  So SCREW THAT... every time one of you stupid ---daisies--- praises this tainted company I'll be here to follow up with REALITY.

...and if one of you idiots have a problem with that?  Tough crap.  Blow it out your backside.

 That is all I have to say.

I'm out.


EDIT: Removed vulgarity...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: (+_+) on June 16, 2011, 02:43:03 pm
"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on [pauses] shame on you. Fool me [pauses] You can't get fooled again."

Hence, I guess you can't get fooled again.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on June 22, 2011, 08:00:31 am
Did the end of this thread get trimmed?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Vigo on June 22, 2011, 12:34:33 pm
Did the end of this thread get trimmed?

You might be thinking of this thread.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.msg1193583#msg1193583 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=112414.msg1193583#msg1193583)

(+_+) posted the same message in both threads, since the message applied to both threads.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on July 22, 2011, 05:30:20 pm
With the recent developments regarding RAM and the various identities assumed by the principals (and the apparent emergence of someone who received Paypal payments on behalf of RAMControls), I am shifting from "no dog in the fight, hope it works out" to "stay the ---fudgesicle--- away".

Dan's silence in the face of the new revelations is rather disturbing, especially since his surname has apparently been used in an alias by Adam/Dave in the past.

Looks like Frizz is right and I am now supportive of his "don't order until debts are clear" policy.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on July 22, 2011, 07:50:57 pm
With the recent developments regarding RAM and the various identities assumed by the principals (and the apparent emergence of someone who received Paypal

Looks like Frizz is right and I am now supportive of his "don't order until debts are clear" policy.

More sig fodder... w00t!

:D
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on July 22, 2011, 10:09:00 pm
Well Dan (Jim Bloomquist) just "came clean" over at KLOV....

...sort of.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showpost.php?p=1708876&postcount=607 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showpost.php?p=1708876&postcount=607)

 :dunno

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Nephasth on July 22, 2011, 10:18:16 pm
WOW.  :jerry 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 22, 2011, 10:54:12 pm
With the recent developments regarding RAM and the various identities assumed by the principals (and the apparent emergence of someone who received Paypal

Looks like Frizz is right and I am now supportive of his "don't order until debts are clear" policy.

More sig fodder... w00t!

:D

There is a maximum of two ego strokes per signature allowed. We're cutting you off after this one buddy.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on July 22, 2011, 11:19:38 pm
With the recent developments regarding RAM and the various identities assumed by the principals (and the apparent emergence of someone who received Paypal

Looks like Frizz is right and I am now supportive of his "don't order until debts are clear" policy.

More sig fodder... w00t!

:D




There is a maximum of two ego strokes per signature allowed. We're cutting you off after this one buddy.


No worries... I'll simply rotate them!

:)

Man,  this soap opera is turning out to be WAY deeper than I even thought.

EDIT: Egomaniacal rant removed.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on July 23, 2011, 08:26:42 pm
Was right about what? "Dan" is still maintaining the same story.

*edit*, best to read the THREAD, not that single post linked above:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867&page=61 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=172867&page=61)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: spoot on July 24, 2011, 12:11:32 pm
 :jerry  Wow, just wow. 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on July 25, 2011, 12:10:29 pm

That almost makes me feel guilty that I vouched for the guy having taken care of my Ram Controls debt.   :banghead:

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on July 25, 2011, 05:06:14 pm
From KLOV:

Quote from: Dan_Ram
...Since I have put a significant amount of my own money to finish a couple of projects that were started previously I have a vested interest in getting them finished with Dave {Adam Judd}. When they are done Ill post here and let you all know.

Quote from: Dan_Ram
yes Adam is a friend of mine and I am trying to help him out. I was trying to do the same for Errol

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=1711869#post1711869 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=1711869#post1711869)

More on Adam, Jim, et.al.:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=1712017#post1712017 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=1712017#post1712017)



Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Vigo on July 25, 2011, 05:22:14 pm
It's good to see the horrible tangle of lies start to unravel.


So who gets movie rights?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on July 25, 2011, 05:47:07 pm
Hell... even I didn't have any idea how deep the rabbit hole went... and it seems we still don't.

RE: IP Logs - At least at KLOV a moderator has checked IP logs and they are from different IP addresses... that said it doesn't take a genius to spoof an IP address.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on July 25, 2011, 06:57:02 pm
Wow, that was some fascinating popcorn reading.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 25, 2011, 08:23:31 pm
Is there any particular reason Saint is refusing to take a look at the IP logs for some of these recent RAM controls posts? 

Sure seems like a lot of socks in that thread to me...


 :dunno

What makes you think I haven't?

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 25, 2011, 08:30:07 pm
To clarify in a slightly less irritated tone.

1. I have checked IP logs when identities come into question, including this time.
2. I do not share anyone's personal information without a compelling reason to do so.
3. As Frizz points out, IP addresses don't mean much if someone is thinking about it ahead of time and plans accordingly.
4. If I had conclusive evidence that someone was pretending to be someone they were not in order to scam people, I would ban them and publicly out them. If I had something that was reasonably suggestive I'd say something. I'm not an ---uvula---.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on July 25, 2011, 09:14:20 pm
They don't even have to be thinking about spoofing IPs. Someone whose ISP assigns dynamic IPs and that person is in the habit of just hitting the power switch on a power bar to turn off their computer system, including modem, will end up with a new IP every time they power up.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on July 25, 2011, 10:18:25 pm
They don't even have to be thinking about spoofing IPs. Someone whose ISP assigns dynamic IPs and that person is in the habit of just hitting the power switch on a power bar to turn off their computer system, including modem, will end up with a new IP every time they power up.


Not necessarily true... dynamic IP's can be assigned "chunks" of time.  My Time warner connection would maintain the same IP for a month or two ....

But some...i'd guess... yeah...

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on July 25, 2011, 11:28:32 pm
They don't even have to be thinking about spoofing IPs. Someone whose ISP assigns dynamic IPs and that person is in the habit of just hitting the power switch on a power bar to turn off their computer system, including modem, will end up with a new IP every time they power up.

That is very rare. Unless you are on analog dial up, IP addresses are typically leased for months on end.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on July 26, 2011, 09:27:35 am

Plus it would only be the least significant segment that changed.  3 of the segments would very very very likely remain the same and easily identifiable as another node on the same section of that ISP's network.

Of course, it's very easy to drive to someone else's house and log in from there.  Or to go to any place with free wifi.  Or to remote in to a machine and use a browser there.  It doesn't take IP spoofing capability to use different IPs.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 26, 2011, 12:24:36 pm
when I was a professional troll

This means you've stopped?  :dizzy:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Nephasth on July 26, 2011, 12:26:21 pm
when I was a professional troll

This means you've stopped?  :dizzy:

He just trolls casually these days...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 27, 2011, 09:17:04 am
Anyone here who hasn't read the KLOV forum threads on Ram Controls should. Caveat emptor.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Samstag on August 02, 2011, 01:34:15 pm
I'm waiting for the movie.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Circo on August 12, 2011, 02:59:12 pm
I just read the KLOV thread or alot of it at least.  And all I can say is wow wow wow.  Hard to believe this crap is real but i guess there is no denying it.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Havok on September 02, 2011, 09:22:33 am
This sounds like a Jerry Springer show...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Arcades R Fun on September 14, 2011, 10:58:12 am
I have read these posts over the last several Months but never looked at how much RAM Controls was charging for the Star Wars cockpits and uprights. Well, I just did and that was the first huge red flag for me!
IMO - Little to no profit is possible if he was going to build those games to the specs described at those prices.
You would need to charge twice the price to make sure that your overhead expenses would be covered, TAXES PAID ON THE PROFIT, and then a decent % net operating profit for the company.


No matter what good intentions were there at the beginning, it was a pipe dream from the start.
Jack
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Delgar on September 16, 2011, 02:03:41 am
I really want a yoke.  I sent this email last week to RAM Controls.  I got no response. Sigh.

"Hello, Id like to buy a yoke and a USB adapter.  Im in Canada.  Im also aware of the controversy surrounding your company from KLOV and BYOAC.

I will purchase a yoke, adapter, if you will ship them to me via UPS Worldwide Express to Canada, and Ill pay the extra shipping costs.  If this agreeable I would also ask that you throw in the Atari decal.  I would be willing to pay via Paypal (I am verified) and my paypal account is backed by a Visa.  To be clear, if the parcel does not arrive with a working yoke and accessories in the time agreed upon, I will cancel my order.  Either way, good or bad,  I will post my experience on the forums.

Let me know."
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Havok on September 16, 2011, 11:38:15 am
If you really want a yoke then you can do it. Watch ebay for a used yoke. There are rebuild kits out there. Get a Sidewinder joystick and hack to fit the yoke. Re-paint the yoke if necessary and get a decal from Thisoldgame. Done.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on September 16, 2011, 11:54:39 am

I probably have an extra yoke someplace.  I'll have a look.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on September 16, 2011, 03:32:54 pm
@Delgar - I run an honest business and we try very hard to make our customers very happy long term customers. But to be honest, I probably wouldn't have responded to that email either.  10yrs of retail has taught me (the hard way) that no good comes of a transaction that starts with  "If you do XXX, I will order from you" or "if you don't do XXX or I will do YYY".
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Delgar on September 16, 2011, 06:42:06 pm
@Delgar - I run an honest business and we try very hard to make our customers very happy long term customers. But to be honest, I probably wouldn't have responded to that email either.  10yrs of retail has taught me (the hard way) that no good comes of a transaction that starts with  "If you do XXX, I will order from you" or "if you don't do XXX or I will do YYY".

That's a fair comment actually.  Its just I've read so much negativity, I started with the assumption they would try to take my money unless I let them know I'm aware as to what is going on.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ids on September 16, 2011, 06:49:21 pm
Most forms of payment will cancel the transaction if you dont get the goods (within some time limit).  Best part of my cab is the RAM SW Yoke - that is one serious piece of hardware.  I'd recommend considering looking into a reversible payment option, make sure you trigger the reversal when you get close to that time if the goods dont show, and go for it (I got mine in a day or 2 - yes yes rare as it may be).  The vocal majority here are those who like to complain (yes yes, not without ample reason - it's well documented, please no flame wars) - the silent majority have SW Yokes and are very very happy with them.

There are other options as previously posted.  Take your pick.  And may the force be with you  :cheers:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on September 16, 2011, 08:35:14 pm
Its just I've read so much negativity, I started with the assumption they would try to take my money unless I let them know I'm aware as to what is going on.

I'm not saying you were wrong to put him on notice. Hell, I wouldn't do business with him notice or not.  Just offering a little perspective about why you may not have gotten a response back.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 18, 2011, 03:28:52 pm
Giving someone money when that someone owes money to the community is douchy IMHO.  Nothing personal,  but I'm glad the transaction didn't happen.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on September 18, 2011, 04:36:20 pm
IMHO

You accidentally typed an H...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 19, 2011, 10:03:50 pm
Again... a duck is a duck and I call it like I see it.  To expect anything different of me is asinine.  I may not be "PC" or exhibit much "tact" at times... but I'm honest,  straight forward,  and you know where I stand without question.

>QUACK<
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on September 20, 2011, 08:41:29 am
Again... a duck is a duck and I call it like I see it.  To expect anything different of me is asinine.  I may not be "PC" or exhibit much "tact" at times... but I'm honest,  straight forward,  and you know where I stand without question.

>QUACK<


All I was saying is you accidentally added an H to IMO. H stands for humble and being humble isn't exactly one of your strong points. Slight jab, nothing more.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 10:19:02 am
Again... a duck is a duck and I call it like I see it.  To expect anything different of me is asinine.  I may not be "PC" or exhibit much "tact" at times... but I'm honest,  straight forward,  and you know where I stand without question.

>QUACK<


All I was saying is you accidentally added an H to IMO. H stands for humble and being humble isn't exactly one of your strong points. Slight jab, nothing more.

I know what you meant Lew.   ...and I suppose that I'd have to agree when it comes to this particular issue.  My opinion on the matter really isn't a humble/respectful opinion... it's honestl.  When honesty and respectfulness cross one another I take the honest path.  Do you consider that a fault?



Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on September 20, 2011, 10:19:46 am

In My Honest Opinion works just as well.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on September 20, 2011, 11:03:27 am
Again... a duck is a duck and I call it like I see it.  To expect anything different of me is asinine.  I may not be "PC" or exhibit much "tact" at times... but I'm honest,  straight forward,  and you know where I stand without question.

>QUACK<


All I was saying is you accidentally added an H to IMO. H stands for humble and being humble isn't exactly one of your strong points. Slight jab, nothing more.

I know what you meant Lew.   ...and I suppose that I'd have to agree when it comes to this particular issue.  My opinion on the matter really isn't a humble/respectful opinion... it's honestl.  When honesty and respectfulness cross one another I take the honest path.  Do you consider that a fault?

In this case, I don't think it's an either/or decision.

I see no benefit in discussing this point. You have my respect on most issues, but with this particular issue you are conducting yourself in a manner that I do not think is constructive.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 11:41:58 am

In My Honest Opinion works just as well.

Hey... YEAH IT DOES!  So IMHO this derailment is moot!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 11:42:58 am
Again... a duck is a duck and I call it like I see it.  To expect anything different of me is asinine.  I may not be "PC" or exhibit much "tact" at times... but I'm honest,  straight forward,  and you know where I stand without question.

>QUACK<


All I was saying is you accidentally added an H to IMO. H stands for humble and being humble isn't exactly one of your strong points. Slight jab, nothing more.

I know what you meant Lew.   ...and I suppose that I'd have to agree when it comes to this particular issue.  My opinion on the matter really isn't a humble/respectful opinion... it's honestl.  When honesty and respectfulness cross one another I take the honest path.  Do you consider that a fault?

In this case, I don't think it's an either/or decision.

I see no benefit in discussing this point. You have my respect on most issues, but with this particular issue you are conducting yourself in a manner that I do not think is constructive.

...and I disagree and respectfully point out who was on the "right" side of this issue since... 2006 at least?

>SHWING!<


EDIT: In all seriousness Lew...  I love ya... you're a good guy... but I completely disagree with your stance when it comes to RAM and I think you're doing a disservice to the community NOT to point out how screwed up it is to deal with these thieves... but we've been through that.   I'll just ignore the fact you're wrong on this particular issue and move on now.

:D

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on September 20, 2011, 11:44:49 am

I'm with Lew on this one.  You're so in everybody's face about being right that it is apparently more important to you than the underlying issue ever was.  It wasn't exactly a long shot predicting that Ram Controls would end badly.  Lots of people have been saying the same thing all along.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 11:48:18 am

I'm with Lew on this one.  You're so in everybody's face about being right that it is apparently more important to you than the underlying issue ever was.  It wasn't exactly a long shot predicting that Ram Controls would end badly.  Lots of people have been saying the same thing all along.

Read above.  I don't care about being "right" or "wrong" frankly... (though I do admit I am enjoying telling people "I told you so"... you should have seen the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- sent my way over the last 5 years on this issue)... I am more concerned with RAM screwing more people.   That said... it seems that the message is MOSTLY getting through... but when I see geniuses like the guy above... who attempted to buy from the thieves... it concerns me.  

EDIT: Lots of people eh?  Historical revisionist?

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 20, 2011, 11:54:58 am
If we fight with ourselves, RAM wins...   :'(
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on September 20, 2011, 11:58:24 am
 I don't care about being "right" or "wrong" frankly...


That's not how you are coming across.  You have multiple people making a gentle attempt to get that through to you.  I won't try again so you'll either think about it now or not.  Your choice.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 11:59:57 am
If we fight with ourselves, RAM wins...   :'(

Oh we're not fighting.

We disagree... that's about it.   And frankly... the last number of posts here have been nothing but in jest for the most part anyways.  It appears that the hole that is RAM CONTROLS has been exposed.  Most sane individuals wouldn't spend a dime with them.  There will always be the selfish and the ignorant... hopefully we've educated most of the ignorant which leaves mostly just the selfish.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 20, 2011, 12:05:51 pm
I don't care about being "right" or "wrong" frankly...


That's not how you are coming across.  You have multiple people making a gentle attempt to get that through to you.  I won't try again so you'll either think about it now or not.  Your choice.

But Chad... you must realize that when it comes to this issue... I don't really give a crap what people think about me.  Wait... lets be honest... I have about ZERO concern about what ANYONE on this forum or KLOV or any other forum I visit "thinks" about what I post.  I don't post with a "will this be OK with [insert name here]" filter.  I am not looking for a girlfriend here.  I am not applying for a job.  I couldn't care less if you think I am a good guy or an ---uvula---.   I am what I am.  Accept it or not.  I don't care in all honesty.

Hell... you of all people should know that...

If only more people were honest about who they are we'd have less RAM CONTROLS issues.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on September 20, 2011, 01:11:52 pm
I really want a yoke.  I sent this email last week to RAM Controls.  I got no response. Sigh.

"Hello, Id like to buy a yoke and a USB adapter.  Im in Canada.  Im also aware of the controversy surrounding your company from KLOV and BYOAC.

I will purchase a yoke, adapter, if you will ship them to me via UPS Worldwide Express to Canada, and Ill pay the extra shipping costs.  If this agreeable I would also ask that you throw in the Atari decal.  I would be willing to pay via Paypal (I am verified) and my paypal account is backed by a Visa.  To be clear, if the parcel does not arrive with a working yoke and accessories in the time agreed upon, I will cancel my order.  Either way, good or bad,  I will post my experience on the forums.

Let me know."
You're insane on more fronts than just dealing with RAM. You want UPS shipping to Canada? Seriously??! They'll charge you an extra $30-$50 just in brokerage fees and that's on top of the shipping fee and taxes!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on September 20, 2011, 05:22:45 pm
I thought the context made obvious whether it was 'honest' or 'humble', the former occuring to me in the above.

Many say perhaps a whole lot more than is necessary. But it seems necessary for them.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: JustMichael on September 20, 2011, 07:11:14 pm
If we fight with ourselves, RAM wins...   :'(
Wrong!  If you buy from RAM, RAM wins.  A scammer can't win if he gets no money!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ids on September 20, 2011, 07:46:03 pm
RAM so won when I got my yoke...oh wait....huh?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Delgar on September 21, 2011, 02:36:19 am
I really want a yoke.  I sent this email last week to RAM Controls.  I got no response. Sigh.

"Hello, Id like to buy a yoke and a USB adapter.  Im in Canada.  Im also aware of the controversy surrounding your company from KLOV and BYOAC.

I will purchase a yoke, adapter, if you will ship them to me via UPS Worldwide Express to Canada, and Ill pay the extra shipping costs.  If this agreeable I would also ask that you throw in the Atari decal.  I would be willing to pay via Paypal (I am verified) and my paypal account is backed by a Visa.  To be clear, if the parcel does not arrive with a working yoke and accessories in the time agreed upon, I will cancel my order.  Either way, good or bad,  I will post my experience on the forums.

Let me know."
You're insane on more fronts than just dealing with RAM. You want UPS shipping to Canada? Seriously??! They'll charge you an extra $30-$50 just in brokerage fees and that's on top of the shipping fee and taxes!



I buy online regularly from the US, as in at least monthly, and the difference between USPS and UPS from the US to Canada is a matter of timing, pricing, trust, and customer service.  The brokerage and shipping fees I'd have paid with UPS are high but I get real time tracking and accuracy, which USPS claims to have but doesn't.  I have received packages shipped via USPS months ago that still show "shipping information received, awaiting pickup" on the USPS website.  Their tracking system is not reliable for shipments to Canada, as they hand off the delivery to another agency.

I still prefer USPS because it costs much less even if it takes an extra 2 weeks, but if I'm dealing with an entity where trust and timing is an issue, I have to use UPS, one of their competitors (UHL, FedEx,etc all whom charge similar from the US) or not make the purchase at all.  The UPS guy who delivers to my place knows me well, and there have been times I have refused delivery because the brokerage fees have been excessive (and guess what happens, most often UPS relents, sometimes within a day, and sometimes because when the shipper finds out what they charged for brokerage they threaten to switch shippers).

In this case it is a very rare item (new, not refurbished) which will likely have a limited release window, and I know I'm dealing with a company of uncertain veracity.  I don't put much weight into the posts from the Frizzle guy, while well intentioned he's just too wrapped up in the argument itself to the point I discard his comments (personal opinion only), but there is enough from others, and RAM itself, to be concerned.

This item is something I've been wanting for about 8 to 10 years.  I finally decided to take the plunge, if I can ensure I won't be ripped off.  The extra shipping and brokerage fees are well worth minimizing the risk, in this instance.

So no I'm not "insane".  I have neither the skill, time or desire to deal with a sidewinder hack, a polyethylene pipe yoke, a refurb, or to troll auctions.  At the same time I don't want to throw $500 away for nothing, and until the last few years, due to the exchange rate a yoke would have cost me much more than $500 Canadian.  If I can get a plug and play solution, I'll pay.  If this item was mass produced it would cost $50 or less.  I've ordered parts from the ledwiz guy, and sometimes shake my head at how much I pay, but he sells specialty items and I don't have the ability to machine parts on my own, nor could my local fab shop, at his price.  The fact of this hobby is, "new" items are specialty items, not high volume, and the price is reflected accordingly.

Yeah I know this is the "Build Your Own" site, some of us don't have that as a viable option but still would like the toys.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: TPB on September 21, 2011, 03:55:59 am


I don't put much weight into the posts from the Frizzle guy, while well intentioned he's just too wrapped up in the argument itself to the point I discard his comments


I reckon the Frizzle guy (geez, that makes him sound like a charred french fry) should bump my quote from his sig, and replace it with this gem !



This item is something I've been wanting for about 8 to 10 years.


Dave opened up the pre-orders in 2006.  Delgar, what took you so long ?    ;D



I've ordered parts from the ledwiz guy


I think of him more as the TT2 guy.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on September 21, 2011, 08:35:28 am
I buy online regularly from the US, as in at least monthly, and the difference between USPS and UPS from the US to Canada is a matter of timing, pricing, trust, and customer service.  The brokerage and shipping fees I'd have paid with UPS are high but I get real time tracking and accuracy, which USPS claims to have but doesn't.  I have received packages shipped via USPS months ago that still show "shipping information received, awaiting pickup" on the USPS website.  Their tracking system is not reliable for shipments to Canada, as they hand off the delivery to another agency.

All true, including the previous comments about ridiculous UPS brokerage charges ($25-30 USD + shipping + VAT + customs).  I had to stop shipping UPS to Canada because of the number of outraged customers receiving a $50 COD at the door for an item that was pre-paid. It is my understanding there is a class action against UPS in Canada for failure to disclose this practice.  Honestly, it should be charged to the shipper with shipping at the beginning so there is no mistake.  As it is, it's optional for the shipper and not mentioned at any time by UPS.

Also true that USPS tracking SUCKS. A few things can help.  First, it must go via a trackable service like Priority Mail or Express.  Delivery confirmation and/or customs numbers are useless for tracking. Second, the shipper MUST run a daily manifest and get it scanned (or walk into a PO), or most packages will never have any tracking info. Stupid yes, but it seems that the USPS system rejects scans from packages that lack initial pickup scans.  Third, once the item is in transit, track it at the Canada post site.  Data continues there once it's passed customs. Apparently it's some sort of state secret because after 10yrs as a shipper and many complaints to the USPS, it was a *customer* who clued me in to that tip.

there have been times I have refused delivery because the brokerage fees have been excessive (and guess what happens, most often UPS relents, sometimes within a day, and sometimes because when the shipper finds out what they charged for brokerage they threaten to switch shippers).

Gotta say, this is a real  :censored: move. When you refuse delivery because of COD fees, the shipper has to either allow the merchandise to be discarded or eat shipping BOTH ways to get it returned. I've done this once or twice when a recipient did not know about the fee and I felt that as a shipper I had an obligation to have known. But once I started warning customers up front about the UPS brokerage fees, I lost all sympathy for people who pull that stunt. You refuse UPS shipment, you get a refund minus ALL freight charges. i.e. you will see about $12 back when it's all done.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on September 21, 2011, 09:11:28 am
I don't put much weight into the posts from the Frizzle guy, while well intentioned he's just too wrapped up in the argument itself to the point I discard his comments (personal opinion only), but there is enough from others, and RAM itself, to be concerned.

I tried to believe in RAM for a long time, the same way that people tried to believe in SlikStik. Frizz was right then and is right now.

I put far more weight into his posts than yours, especially the bull about shipping to Canada -- read Subby's guide on cgcc (and note the part of pdoolittle's post about tracking on the CP website ... he is the first person, other than me, who seems to understand that).

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on September 21, 2011, 09:43:34 am
If only more people were honest about who they are we'd have less RAM CONTROLS issues.

I wasn't going to post. I was going to let you go on your merry way, but the quoted line made me chuckle. While you may post with no filters, many others are concerned with their online identities. You want people to be honest how they are but you bash, belittle and berate anyone who says\does anything that isn't in line with your way of thinking. Lets imagine some enthusiasts doesn't know any better and orders from RAM controls. Why in the world would they post anything here sharing their story when all that will happen is a digital beat down from you? In short, they can't be honest how they are with you prowling around ready to pounce.

What you are doing is nothing more than trying to be a bully. If anything, you are forcing people to go underground and order in secrecy and no one feels compelled to share a personal negative story. You think you're helping your cause or hurting it?

And exactly how am I doing a disservice to the community? I don't appreciate you indicating that by not jumping on your bandwagon, I am somehow part of the problem. I'm going to give you an opportunity to take that back in the hopes you wrote it in error.

Obviously this is just my opinion, and we already know you don't value other peoples opinions. I'm not entirely sure why I wrote this. Maybe in the hopes you could tone it down a little.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 21, 2011, 01:02:34 pm
Lew,  look man... we have two different opinion on how to tackle this issue (obviously).  There is no need for either of us to "cut down" one another as I am quite sure we both have the same goal.   I apologize for saying you're doing a disservice to the community by not subscribing to my "way" of tackling this issue.  While I think "my way" is the better way... you obviously differ in that opinion.

That does not change my opinions on RAM nor will it likely change how I deal with them in general... though I will try to take a step back before pigeon-holing different peoples opinions on the matter in to a "FOR" or "AGAINST" slot.   Taking a look back I can see where the "if you're not with us you're against us" mentality could be off-putting.  I still feel that if you contribute a CENT to the thieves you're doing a disservice to those who got burned,  and I am not sure how I can "change" that opinion...or if I want to "change" that opinion... though i certainly need to come up with a more diplomatic way to convey said opinion for fear of upsetting the sensibilities of some.

While I've pumped my chest a bit in here ... I've never said I don't value other peoples opinions (did I?)... I simply said I don't filter what I say through a "will [put name here] be offended" filter.  I also did say I don't care what people think about me IN REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE... because I've already taken the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- over it.  Basically I will/do own what I say... and take responsibility... and have a tendency to be direct and honest.   I am not a diplomat and could never be.   At least you know where I stand at all times,  unlike some folks out there.

I suppose the bottom line is that I am me.  Good... bad... ugly... 

...human.




Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on September 21, 2011, 01:06:15 pm
What we need is a beer.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on September 21, 2011, 01:14:08 pm
What we need is a beer.

 :cheers:

THAT is something we can agree on... unless you drink Coors.

;)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: isucamper on September 21, 2011, 01:27:42 pm
What we need is a beer.

 :cheers:

THAT is something we can agree on... unless you drink Coors.

;)

Hey!  Come on!  It's The Banquet Beer!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on September 21, 2011, 03:09:54 pm
What we need is a beer.

 :cheers:

THAT is something we can agree on... unless you drink Coors.

;)

Oh ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- ... watch out for Realtors!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 21, 2011, 03:11:33 pm
There's a post missing here... where did it go?

About dishwater at a brew pub?  by BadMouth?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on September 21, 2011, 05:25:09 pm
There's a post missing here... where did it go?

About dishwater at a brew pub?  by BadMouth?

? I haven't moderated this thread that I can recall...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on September 21, 2011, 05:28:23 pm
There's a post missing here... where did it go?

About dishwater at a brew pub?  by BadMouth?

? I haven't moderated this thread that I can recall...

Yeah, it was right after isucamper's post. 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on September 21, 2011, 09:31:32 pm
There's a post missing here... where did it go?

About dishwater at a brew pub?  by BadMouth?

? I haven't moderated this thread that I can recall...

Sorry about that.  I posted, but decided the thread was already big enough and off topic enough, so I deleted it.
But since I'm making this post now, here's what the original said........

I was travelling with a friend who only drinks Coors Light.
We couldn't find a regular bar and one of my favorite brew pubs was nearby, so we went there.
The conversation went like this (verbatim):

Bartender: What can I get for you?
CL drinker: Do you have anything that tastes like Coors Light?
Bartender(with a straight face): I can go in the back and get you some dishwater.
(entire bar erupts in laughter)


Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: markronz on September 22, 2011, 04:03:33 pm
Sorry to bring this thread further off topic...  But your story reminds me of the time I was in Michigan and I asked for a Miller 64.  The bartender responded with a straight face... "We don't serve bottled water here"  And all the locals laughed as well.   ;D

I guess serves me right.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on September 23, 2011, 03:14:35 pm
I thought the segregation was pretty obvious - clubs, bars, pubs, and (you'll still find, here and there) Saloons.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Delgar on September 23, 2011, 10:47:00 pm

I tried to believe in RAM for a long time, the same way that people tried to believe in SlikStik. Frizz was right then and is right now.

I put far more weight into his posts than yours, especially the bull about shipping to Canada -- read Subby's guide on cgcc (and note the part of pdoolittle's post about tracking on the CP website ... he is the first person, other than me, who seems to understand that).



As you should, I'm a nobody here, Frizzle is a somebody.  Oddly enough I have a SlikStik cab and control panel, both arrived on time, and were and still are everything I wanted and more, just doesn't have that yoke option yet!  Its a custom built CO2 and is still a hit when I host a party.  I would love to install an led wiz and translucent buttons but the wiring in the CO2 is elaborate and neat, with dual rotaries and many extras, and I don't want to hack into it.  (And that's why I referred to the GGG person as the "ledwiz" guy, I'd love to add that to my panel.)

As for refusing delivery because of brokerage fees, I've only done so in the most extreme cases.  One case in point, I ordered relatively inexpensive cufflinks from a Canadian website, and they ended up shipping them from their US affiliate because that's where the stock was.  Actually I ordered 4 sets, 3 shipped from Montreal, the other from the US.  The brokerage fees on the set shipped from the US was as much as the item ($50 brokerage on $50 cufflinks, while the other 3 sets shipped from Montreal and I paid no brokerage).  This was a company that should have known better and they agreed.  They ended up refunding my money for the 1 set, and I agreed to pay the brokerage.  Also this was a case where the UPS guy agreed with me the brokerage fee was probably an error given the declared value of the item, but that never got resolved.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: TPB on September 24, 2011, 03:57:06 am

Delgar is entitled to purchase from RAM if he so chooses.  Not that it's something I'd recommend.  But it remains his decision.

As Lew states, he shouldn't feel intimidated about ordering from RAM.  He should feel free to discuss his experience (should RAM accept his order), good or bad.  And indeed, we should welcome his discussion of his experience, as it's valuable feedback on the current viability of this delinquent and shady vendor.

Who knows, if RAM keeps its head above water by honouring its current schedule of orders, perhaps there's a chance they'll share a portion of their profits with the folks they've ripped off, whose money they shamelessly took for goods never sent.  Perhaps that poor bugger in Oz who pre-paid a couple of grand for a Star Wars Cab, will end up getting back a little loose change. 

But that's probably wishful thinking.  Going on RAM's unsavoury track record, they're unlikely to give a solitary dime back to these folks, even as they keep raking in the profits themselves.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on September 24, 2011, 09:30:45 am
if RAM keeps its head above water by honouring its current schedule of orders, perhaps there's a chance they'll share a portion of their profits with the folks they've ripped off, whose money they shamelessly took for goods never sent.  Perhaps that poor bugger in Oz who pre-paid a couple of grand for a Star Wars Cab, will end up getting back a little loose change.

And there we have the dream that RAM is using to keep their scam going.  

Going on RAM's unsavoury track record, they're unlikely to give a solitary dime back to these folks, even as they keep raking in the profits themselves.

And the reality of the situation.


The sad part is that you guys know *exactly* what is happening, and you are still willing to help these people ripoff your friends. And that's not hyperbole.  You know that Dave owes ripped off customers, suppliers, and partners to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. You know that Jim/Dan came here and lied to your face.  When confronted with those lies, he "came clean" with more lies, and then "really came clean" with yet more lies. You know for a fact that Adam/Dave is *still getting paid* from this scam, while his victims are not.  

I'm sorry for calling names, but there is no other way to put it. Anyone who has read these threads and still does business with these scumbags is selfish and stupid.
Title: Re: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on November 15, 2011, 07:57:23 am
A little update, "Jan Judd" is either Errol Mihalik's sister or a pseudonym for his sister.  "Jan Judd" is Adam's wife, who operates a business entitled "Home Bound Mom", who's domain was registered by RAM controls.

Same game, different victims. This time it's mom's shopping online for their kids....
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Necro on November 16, 2011, 10:55:07 am
How are these people not in jail?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SuprSprint on November 17, 2011, 01:14:46 pm
How are these people not in jail?

You are so silly. Who has time to chase scammers ripping people off for tens of thousands of dollars when there are people out there smoking marijuana and others trying to buy alcohol on Sunday.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on November 17, 2011, 05:52:07 pm
A little update, "Jan Judd" is either Errol Mihalik's sister or a pseudonym for his sister.  "Jan Judd" is Adam's wife, who operates a business entitled "Home Bound Mom", who's domain was registered by RAM controls.

A casual search brings nothing. Link?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Necro on November 17, 2011, 08:57:30 pm
How are these people not in jail?

You are so silly. Who has time to chase scammers ripping people off for tens of thousands of dollars when there are people out there smoking marijuana and others trying to buy alcohol on Sunday.

Don't get me started...feh...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: JMB on November 18, 2011, 10:13:20 am
A little update, "Jan Judd" is either Errol Mihalik's sister or a pseudonym for his sister.  "Jan Judd" is Adam's wife, who operates a business entitled "Home Bound Mom", who's domain was registered by RAM controls.

A casual search brings nothing. Link?

http://www.familyboundmom.com/ (http://www.familyboundmom.com/)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/FAMILY-BOUND-MOM/257327547190 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/FAMILY-BOUND-MOM/257327547190)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: tbombaci on November 30, 2011, 11:53:37 am
Quote

Registrant:
RAM Controls
ATTN FAMILYBOUNDMOM.COM
care of Network Solutions
PO Box 459
Drums, PA. US 18222

Domain Name: FAMILYBOUNDMOM.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
RAM Controls    ah4pe56z2zb@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com
ATTN FAMILYBOUNDMOM.COM
care of Network Solutions
PO Box 459
Drums, PA 18222
US
570-708-8780

Record expires on 10-May-2012.
Record created on 10-May-2010.
Database last updated on 30-Nov-2011 11:37:44 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS65.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.33
NS66.WORLDNIC.COM 206.188.198.33
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: tbombaci on February 14, 2012, 09:47:27 am
Beware. The scam is ramping up again. Watch out for the smooth talking scum bags.  #youvebeenwarned
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: mytymaus007 on June 03, 2012, 08:58:34 am
YOKES YOKES ANYONE! :lol :lol
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rikitiki on June 25, 2012, 06:28:44 pm
RIP
www.RamControls.com (http://www.RamControls.com)

But dont seem too suprized when these Ram parts start resurfacing again
and proably under a new site labeled "Under new Managament"
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 02, 2012, 09:47:12 am
Unstickying since the domain is gone.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: nick3092 on July 02, 2012, 10:32:00 pm
True, but he does have 30 days (I believe) to renew.  And this isn't the first time a RAM domain expired and was renewed later.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: saint on July 02, 2012, 11:06:20 pm
Yeah, if it resurfaces we'll resticky these threads.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on July 02, 2012, 11:39:08 pm
I'm liking fewer stickies.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on July 04, 2012, 12:56:44 am
I'm liking fewer stickies.

Yeah, they were getting a little thick.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on July 04, 2012, 01:20:05 am
Yeah, if it resurfaces we'll resticky these threads.

If it resurfaces, maybe just sticky one and add a link to the other in the first post.

2x stickies seems like overkill at this stage.


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rikitiki on July 09, 2012, 01:51:15 pm
Yeah, if it resurfaces we'll resticky these threads.

just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water  :timebomb:
www.ramcontrols.com (http://www.ramcontrols.com)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: spoot on July 09, 2012, 01:58:57 pm
Man, that turd just won't flush.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: SavannahLion on July 09, 2012, 03:41:28 pm
Yeah, if it resurfaces we'll resticky these threads.

just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water  :timebomb:
www.ramcontrols.com (http://www.ramcontrols.com)


My click redirected to ram-controls.com and he has a FaceBook page now?!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on July 09, 2012, 04:18:14 pm
Maybe it is time to re-sticky ...  :banghead:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on July 09, 2012, 04:24:44 pm
Maybe it is time to re-sticky ...  :banghead:

Done
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on July 09, 2012, 09:39:34 pm
I think it was always ram-controls.com . Anyways, life is interesting.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: vintagegamer on July 26, 2012, 01:57:07 pm
Holy Crap I never realized they were in PA.  They are only about 2 hours from my house.

"Drums, PA" is just north of Allentown.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Zrooney on July 26, 2012, 02:31:35 pm
Maybe VintageGamer and I could pay him a visit  :laugh2:
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Justin Z on July 27, 2012, 07:08:01 pm
My understanding was always that Dave/Adam lived in Southern California.  I am pretty sure that went for Dan/Jim as well.  I'm assuming the PA address came from a whois?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on July 29, 2012, 02:05:24 am
Yeah, it says SoCal on their site, and their number is a SoCal area code.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: vintagegamer on July 30, 2012, 01:46:06 pm
Yeah, it says SoCal on their site, and their number is a SoCal area code.

This just keeps getting more and more interesting.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: tbombaci on July 30, 2012, 07:52:29 pm
It reads 'Care of Network Solutions". Must be some private registration type thing. Just more smoke and mirrors. Don't be fooled by the crook scammers.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on July 31, 2012, 03:45:39 pm
I'm surprised no one in the hobby local to there took a drive down to the place on some week day morning. Still could I'd guess.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ark_ader on August 01, 2012, 03:18:46 pm
I'm surprised no one in the hobby local to there took a drive down to the place on some week day morning. Still could I'd guess.

Well on line back stabbers never do show up in person.  Too scared.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on August 05, 2012, 07:20:37 pm
I'm surprised no one in the hobby local to there took a drive down to the place on some week day morning. Still could I'd guess.

Well on line back stabbers never do show up in person.  Too scared.

....What?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rikitiki on August 16, 2012, 03:38:27 pm
Buyer Beware
RC is surfacing and selling on ebay
http://www.ebay.com/sch/tristateliquidation/m.html?hash=item2573c6d3e1&item=160856200161&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/tristateliquidation/m.html?hash=item2573c6d3e1&item=160856200161&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562)

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: HaRuMaN on August 16, 2012, 03:45:18 pm
What makes you think that?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on August 17, 2012, 10:44:43 am
What makes you think that?

Location and phone number are the same.
http://www.ram-controls.com/contact.html (http://www.ram-controls.com/contact.html)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on August 18, 2012, 05:35:33 pm
How do you find this stuff?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Desdinova on August 29, 2012, 04:32:30 pm
Man! Been a while since I checked on RAM Controls but I'm so glad that I just said no to another pre-order racket in this hobby and used my hard earned cash to buy an NOS Firefox yoke. Was $20 cheaper too!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ArcadeDunce on February 10, 2013, 05:27:13 pm
Man! Been a while since I checked on RAM Controls but I'm so glad that I just said no to another pre-order racket in this hobby and used my hard earned cash to buy an NOS Firefox yoke. Was $20 cheaper too!

is it exactly the same?   Could be an interesting buy if there where links and prices somewhere..
I wonder how tough it would be to get an original Star wars board and hook it up to modern equipment..
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on February 11, 2013, 01:41:02 am
is it exactly the same?   Could be an interesting buy if there where links and prices somewhere..
I wonder how tough it would be to get an original Star wars board and hook it up to modern equipment..

1. By "Modern equipment" are you referring to the repro yokes/parts made by Scam controls compared to the originals by Atari?

The only noticeable differences are the shape of the handles, Delrin instead of nylon for the gears, and the mileage on them.

SW yokes are pretty rugged and there are parts available here (http://www.arcadefixit.com) if you need to rebuild/repair them.

Firefox yokes are electrically the same as SW yokes, but didn't get as much use -- great choice.

2. If you're thinking about dealing with Scam Controls, you're taking your chance with a proven scammer who has ripped off BYOACers for well over $25,000 last time I checked.

That's a lot of double-charged credit cards, undelivered yokes and pre-paid but never-produced SW Cockpit cabinets.

The problem isn't the quality of the parts, it's the quality of the person.

3. Yokes are offered for sale fairly regularly on KLOV -- they usually sell in 2 days or less.


Scott
EDIT: VideoGamesParts.com is now ArcadeFixit.com.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ArcadeDunce on February 11, 2013, 11:13:23 am
whoops, should have been more clear of that.. I've learned, after reading all of  these posts over the years, to stay away from ram controls. I was talking about the 'NOS Firefox' yoke.  if it's easier to come buy than SW, or evne possible to buy knew, it would be a great option over Scram Controls...

As for modern equipment :  I was wondering if it was possible to hook up the original star wars board to an LCD monitor, a modern power supply, and the NOS Firefox yoke, and have as close to an original machine as is possible with after market parts (once you build the cabinet )  ;O)

is it exactly the same?   Could be an interesting buy if there where links and prices somewhere..
I wonder how tough it would be to get an original Star wars board and hook it up to modern equipment..

1. By "Modern equipment" are you referring to the repro yokes/parts made by Scam controls compared to the originals by Atari?

The only noticeable differences are the shape of the handles, Delrin instead of nylon for the gears, and the mileage on them.

SW yokes are pretty rugged and there are parts available here (http://www.videogameparts.com/category.sc?categoryId=16) if you need to rebuild/repair them.

Firefox yokes are electrically the same as SW yokes, but didn't get as much use -- great choice.

2. If you're thinking about dealing with Scam Controls, you're taking your chance with a proven scammer who has ripped off BYOACers for well over $25,000 last time I checked.

That's a lot of double-charged credit cards, undelivered yokes and pre-paid but never-produced SW Cockpit cabinets.

The problem isn't the quality of the parts, it's the quality of the person.

3. Yokes are offered for sale fairly regularly on KLOV -- they usually sell in 2 days or less.


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on February 11, 2013, 02:34:03 pm
As for modern equipment :  I was wondering if it was possible to hook up the original star wars board to an LCD monitor, a modern power supply, and the NOS Firefox yoke, and have as close to an original machine as is possible with after market parts (once you build the cabinet )  ;O)


No.  You could get fairly close with a dedicated MAME but there is no way currently to get the Star Wars boardset's video onto a newly available monitor.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on February 11, 2013, 03:03:13 pm
Did VectorVGA ever end up working with SW ?

Having said that, it would be a horrible idea to run a dedicated SW board on an LCD. Way better off using an emulator and tweaking the video.

For the Dunce, NOS means New Old Stock and is not modern equipment, it is just unused old equipment.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on February 11, 2013, 03:05:06 pm
Did VectorVGA ever end up working with SW ?


No.  I contacted them not too long ago when they announced the VectorVGA Pro.  It would seem the Pro does have the ability to be configured for a Star Wars but the cost is ridiculous for that application.  They told me they have no plans to make any more fixed rate converters for arcade use.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: tbombaci on February 20, 2013, 11:38:34 am
The scum sucking scammers are now "closing shop" so beware of any new variation of Adam Judd, Dave Adams, Adam Starr, Dave Starr, Pugsly Adams or whatever the scum sucking scammer is calling himself these days.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on February 21, 2013, 03:54:08 pm
These are just bizarre statements:

Our ownership is moving on to other endeavors...Most of the remaining stock will be going into deep storage..."[/i[
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on February 22, 2013, 10:50:36 am

Mostly because that would never happen.  Companies don't just "deep stock" unused goods that have strong demand.  They sell them off and move on.  "Deep stock" has storage costs that return no value.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: JMB on February 22, 2013, 11:42:22 am

 "Deep stock" has storage costs that return no value.

Luckily for them imaginary items do not require storage.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: cw on February 22, 2013, 05:17:54 pm

 "Deep stock" has storage costs that return no value.

Luckily for them imaginary items do not require storage.


hah!
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on February 23, 2013, 02:18:00 am
They've faked going out of business before IIRC.

This is probably just another scam so they can "shut down" before "someone else" starts putting this stuff on e-bay.


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Gray_Area on March 01, 2013, 02:38:48 am
They've faked going out of business before IIRC.

This is probably just another scam so they can "shut down" before "someone else" starts putting this stuff on e-bay.


Scott

Reminds me of a local Pawn shop, did it for a couple/few decades. I think they're gone now, though.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: fmzip on March 08, 2013, 10:00:10 pm
Wish I had read this before I ordered $20 worth of Atari volcano covers from them on Monday.....


They did however confirm shipment today after I inquired, payment was made to:

Name:   
   Alyssa Bloomquist
Email:   
   tsl.ebaysales@gmail.com
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: fmzip on March 12, 2013, 10:49:44 pm
Happy to say, I got my Atari Cones....

I feel bad for all the people who got screwed by this company, if I knew, I would have never ordered from them.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on March 13, 2013, 05:48:14 pm
Happy to say, I got my Atari Cones....

I feel bad for all the people who got screwed by this company, if I knew, I would have never ordered from them.

Now that you have repented, go forth and sin no more, my son.   :lol


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Sky25es on October 24, 2014, 05:40:52 am

I saw this:

(http://s8.postimg.org/7d2le51tx/SCAM.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)

and came recently across this:

https://plus.google.com/102323639694680843359/photos (https://plus.google.com/102323639694680843359/photos)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazdX0kj2qq19j2eZU8IZsQ (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazdX0kj2qq19j2eZU8IZsQ)

I want to be clear that it's not an accusation and it's not my intention to offend anyone, I'm just curious.
So, what do you guys you think? It's the same person or it's purely coincidence ?  :dunno
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on October 24, 2014, 12:26:16 pm
https://plus.google.com/102323639694680843359/photos (https://plus.google.com/102323639694680843359/photos)

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazdX0kj2qq19j2eZU8IZsQ (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCazdX0kj2qq19j2eZU8IZsQ)

I want to be clear that it's not an accusation and it's not my intention to offend anyone, I'm just curious.
So, what do you guys you think? It's the same person or it's purely coincidence ?  :dunno

Doesn't look like the same guy to me.  :dunno
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Vigo on October 24, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--0t3305ajPg/UliQzFCLhAI/AAAAAAAAABY/pUrcPEAr5GU/w602-h600-no/Point%2Band%2BShoot%2B11.2012%2B014.JPG)

Looks just like him to me, but I have no idea who the guy to the right of him would be.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Sky25es on October 24, 2014, 01:09:33 pm
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--0t3305ajPg/UliQzFCLhAI/AAAAAAAAABY/pUrcPEAr5GU/w602-h600-no/Point%2Band%2BShoot%2B11.2012%2B014.JPG)

Looks just like him to me, but I have no idea who the guy to the right of him would be.

:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:[
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: kegga on December 18, 2014, 09:36:39 pm
http://www.vidiotarcade.com/RAM%20Controls%20-%20SW2010Sale.html (http://www.vidiotarcade.com/RAM%20Controls%20-%20SW2010Sale.html)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on December 18, 2014, 10:53:44 pm
http://www.vidiotarcade.com/RAM%20Controls%20-%20SW2010Sale.html (http://www.vidiotarcade.com/RAM%20Controls%20-%20SW2010Sale.html)
You had me going for a second.

It's a copy of the RAM SCAM Controls webpage where they advertised the repro SW Cockpit cabs.

Fortunately, none of the links at the top and bottom of the page work, but the "Add to Cart" links still lead to the shopping cart/payment processor with this note at the top of the page.
Quote
Ram Controls is now CLOSED. Thank you for the many years of patronage, but we have moved on to other endeavors.

Looks like someone could still try to place an order, but I'm not testing it.   >:D


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Malenko on December 19, 2014, 10:08:57 am
Looks like someone could still try to place an order, but I'm not testing it.   >:D


Scott

You'd have the exact same chance of it getting delivered as you would have prior to them closing.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on January 07, 2015, 10:21:36 am

I saw this:

(http://s8.postimg.org/7d2le51tx/SCAM.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)



Nice to see my work is still getting a little love...

 ;D
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: yotsuya on January 07, 2015, 10:23:05 am

I saw this:

(http://s8.postimg.org/7d2le51tx/SCAM.jpg) (http://postimage.org/)



Nice to see my work is still getting a little love...

 ;D

Nice to see you pop in for a visit, Frizz.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Havok on March 30, 2015, 11:28:50 pm
Still enjoying Ram Controls Star Wars Yoke #1.

Don't hate the playa...

:)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: leapinlew on June 13, 2015, 05:09:16 pm
I have a RAM Controls yoke to USB converter. Works good too. Shame what happened.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: CheffoJeffo on September 25, 2015, 06:17:55 pm
So ... safe guess that the reportedly badass arcade gun to USB boards never made it to the public?
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on September 28, 2015, 04:37:23 pm
So ... safe guess that the reportedly badass arcade gun to USB boards never made it to the public?

It was just the interface board out of America's Army by Global VR.
You might still be able to get it from Global VR.
They were down to only a few in stock with no plans to make more.
There is a thread in the Main Forum about trying to get enough people on board for them to do another run.
I think they only needed orders for like 6 units in order to make more.  :lol

I'm keeping an eye out for a local America's Army cab for a reasonable price.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on February 26, 2016, 09:53:19 pm
Unfortunately I have this to report:

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=369431 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=369431)

...he's back.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: yotsuya on February 26, 2016, 10:11:49 pm
Tombo is the best.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: danny_galaga on April 07, 2016, 08:49:32 am
Tombo is the best.

I don't know much about that forum but yes this Tombo fella was quick to shut him down!

WTF is wrong with the RAM controls dude anyway? He can clearly make quality stuff, and has people gagging for his stuff. And seems to be genuinely interested in arcade stuff. He also seems to be genuinely interested in pissing/ripping people off. I wish he could just be a consultant to an actual real businessman so he just does R & D, and an actual real business man sells the stuff. Guy must have a screw loose. Or maybe a psychopath...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: RayB on April 19, 2016, 11:30:42 am
Tombo is the best.

I don't know much about that forum but yes this Tombo fella was quick to shut him down!

WTF is wrong with the RAM controls dude anyway? He can clearly make quality stuff, and has people gagging for his stuff. And seems to be genuinely interested in arcade stuff. He also seems to be genuinely interested in pissing/ripping people off. I wish he could just be a consultant to an actual real businessman so he just does R & D, and an actual real business man sells the stuff. Guy must have a screw loose. Or maybe a psychopath...
The way I remember it (and yes, memory can get WAYYYYY distorted) is that he got ahold of New Old Stock and passes that off as what they will repro. There are in fact no repros.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: dmckean on April 19, 2016, 12:09:20 pm
The way I remember it (and yes, memory can get WAYYYYY distorted) is that he got ahold of New Old Stock and passes that off as what they will repro. There are in fact no repros.

No, his parts were definitely repos, lots of people have posted pics out there. I think he was scamming on the other end too, pretending to be a much larger company than he was and asking the suppliers for a sample of 250 parts before he places his 100,000 part order.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: yotsuya on April 19, 2016, 12:30:23 pm
The way I remember it (and yes, memory can get WAYYYYY distorted) is that he got ahold of New Old Stock and passes that off as what they will repro. There are in fact no repros.

No, his parts were definitely repos, lots of people have posted pics out there. I think he was scamming on the other end too, pretending to be a much larger company than he was and asking the suppliers for a sample of 250 parts before he places his 100,000 part order.
You're right, his Chinese suppliers apparently got screwed, too.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: EvilNuff on April 19, 2016, 02:31:25 pm
Call me silly but why couldn't someone with either an original or a repro scan the parts in and use an online 3d printer to print out a new stick?  There are online 3d printers that can print with a wide variety of materials including metal.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: danny_galaga on April 25, 2016, 12:36:46 am
Call me silly but why couldn't someone with either an original or a repro scan the parts in and use an online 3d printer to print out a new stick?  There are online 3d printers that can print with a wide variety of materials including metal.

Right now it's not really the same thing. Maybe some time down the track, you will be able to 3D print anything and it will look exactly like the real deal, but not right now. Right now, the best way for quality plastic repros is injection moulding. But to do it, you need to get all the dimensions exact. If there are compound curves you will need it laser scanned. THEN, and this is the hard part, the engineers have to allow for the fact that part will shrink in different ways depending on thickness and length etc, this is all allowed for in the mould.

I should know, I spent some thousands fruitlessly trying to get N64 thumbsticks reproduced. Somewhere in Shenzhen, I own some shiny stainless steel injection moulds for parts that aren't quite right...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: matsadona on August 24, 2016, 03:01:19 am
I know one should be careful what to wish for, but a part of me kind of miss the ups and downs in this long and sad story that has enough material for a tv-series spanning at least two seasons...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: BadMouth on August 24, 2016, 11:04:14 am
I know one should be careful what to wish for, but a part of me kind of miss the ups and downs in this long and sad story that has enough material for a tv-series spanning at least two seasons...

Are you caught up on the adventures of the other Dave?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,117193.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,117193.0.html)

I don't think he's such a bad guy, but his latest blog post from prison has me wondering if he's going to become a patent troll after getting out.
.....or while still in?  I can't wait for the next season.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: matsadona on August 25, 2016, 09:05:24 am
I know one should be careful what to wish for, but a part of me kind of miss the ups and downs in this long and sad story that has enough material for a tv-series spanning at least two seasons...

Are you caught up on the adventures of the other Dave?
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,117193.0.html (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,117193.0.html)

I don't think he's such a bad guy, but his latest blog post from prison has me wondering if he's going to become a patent troll after getting out.
.....or while still in?  I can't wait for the next season.

Jeeesus... I have totally missed that. And just by a first glance of some random posts I'm glad I did ;)
But the good thing is that everything is back to "normal" in the crazy world. Need to get some more popcorn before I read through that one...
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rovingmind on May 10, 2017, 01:51:16 pm
is he back?
 ebay link  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Arcade-Yoke-Controller-Adapter-MAME-USB-Interface-And-Cables-/302292784576?hash=item46620dd5c0:g:wl8AAOSwE0JY-~rD)

looks exactly like his.

 
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: PL1 on May 10, 2017, 02:58:41 pm
is he back?
 ebay link  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Star-Wars-Arcade-Yoke-Controller-Adapter-MAME-USB-Interface-And-Cables-/302292784576?hash=item46620dd5c0:g:wl8AAOSwE0JY-~rD)

looks exactly like his.
Looks like former KLOV member "Electronicsfix".

Related KLOV thread here (https://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=402400). (pg. 2 is where he becomes a former member)

From what I can see, he's not one of Dave's alter-ego scam accounts, but he is selling a few RAM parts.   :dunno


Scott
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on May 15, 2017, 04:10:26 pm



It does seem like it would be a lot harder to scam people through paypal and ebay.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: rikitiki on May 18, 2017, 04:29:50 pm



It does seem like it would be a lot harder to scam people through paypal and ebay.

Try to keep in mind that, that never stopped them before
remember there were several people involved with this and they still continue to resurface trying to sale Ram Controls parts
I have a few conspiracy theory's of my own on this which are still developing and Ive been on this since the beginning.
That being said
BUYER BEWARE!!!
It appears the infamous Ram Controls is resurfacing..on both ebay and etsy and tried KLOV but he was pretty quickly found out, block and banned. May be multi-persons but they are all the same mfg Ram Parts.
This is a part I have left from Dave Adams from before the nuclear blast.
notice how the ebay auction for the same part avoids showing you the top of the molex.

http://www.ebay.com/ (http://www.ebay.com/)/Star-Wars-Arcade-Yoke-C/302292784576

https://www.etsy.com/shop/MyEpicGarageSale?ref=pr_shop_more (https://www.etsy.com/shop/MyEpicGarageSale?ref=pr_shop_more)
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: pbj on May 18, 2017, 05:15:57 pm
I'd trust any claims about reproduction Star Wars parts in hand and ready to ship just as much as I trust in online ads for horny cougars DTF in my neighborhood. 

We all got burned once.

Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Le Chuck on May 19, 2017, 12:33:49 pm
I'd trust any claims about reproduction Star Wars parts in hand and ready to ship just as much as I trust in online ads for horny cougars DTF in my neighborhood. 

We all got burned once.

*adjusts glasses
*slides forward in chair
*loosens belt

So about this cougar
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: 1500points on May 19, 2017, 01:25:04 pm
I had one of those yoke interfaces that I got for $75 from a KLOV member via PM years back.
Got a cab all set up with a real yoke....and MAME was a huge let down in how it played.  Really squirrely.
Sold it all on ebay.  which left me with the impression that Star Wars requires the real deal to be enjoyable.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: ChadTower on May 25, 2017, 10:37:28 am



All that said, I understand why people are still so tempted to fall for these scams.  I have quite a few of those parts and they are really, really good parts.  I don't buy for one minute that the guy actually manufactured them.  He had to have found a cache of NOS parts somewhere.  The Major Havoc roller, for instance, is awesome.  As long as people want those Atari vector era parts these scams are going to keep coming back.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: Mr. Peabody on June 04, 2017, 04:39:17 am
I had one of those yoke interfaces that I got for $75 from a KLOV member via PM years back.
Got a cab all set up with a real yoke....and MAME was a huge let down in how it played.  Really squirrely.
Sold it all on ebay.  which left me with the impression that Star Wars requires the real deal to be enjoyable.

It requires calibrating. http://www.aaarpinball.com/ASW/ASW.htm (http://www.aaarpinball.com/ASW/ASW.htm) Probably every game you use a yoke for needs it.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: 1500points on June 04, 2017, 09:33:51 am
I had one of those yoke interfaces that I got for $75 from a KLOV member via PM years back.
Got a cab all set up with a real yoke....and MAME was a huge let down in how it played.  Really squirrely.
Sold it all on ebay.  which left me with the impression that Star Wars requires the real deal to be enjoyable.

It requires calibrating. http://www.aaarpinball.com/ASW/ASW.htm (http://www.aaarpinball.com/ASW/ASW.htm) Probably every game you use a yoke for needs it.


Yah i went thru that from the manual when I refurbed the yoke and installed new pots and gears.

Doesn't fix the crappy gameplay emulation of MAME though.

UPDATE Oct-  The Ultimarc A-Pac will work as an alternative.  The Star Wars yoke pots are recognized by the A-Pac as the Joystick X and Y Axis.  You'll need to build a proper connector to plug n play with the yoke.
Title: Re: RAM Controls
Post by: FrizzleFried on April 20, 2018, 09:43:08 am
FWIW this piece of work has re-surfaced on KLOV as "Level99" ... selling harnesses and other various RAM parts.  Based out of Rancho Cucamonga.  KLOV has all the details.