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Title: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 01:40:58 am
Monolith

<place holder for final project outcomes>

Concept
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5506/29989163332_c11719bc5e.jpg)

Credits and special thanks
Arcade paradise, GroovyGameGear and Ultimarc- who have answered all my questions
Vcabinet (http://www.vcabinet.es/) - great idea for vertical screen orientation
stigzler - Winning name suggestion (Monolith)

Inspiration
MagicPlay - Timberman (http://magicplay.us/?130,us_timberman-arcade-hd-lumberjack)
ChanceKJ - Flynn's Aracde (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135116.0.html)
X-arcade - Arcade2Tv Showcase (https://shop.xgaming.com/collections/arcade-machines/products/arcade2tv-showcase-with-250-arcade-classics)
Mordern Arcades and in particular prizer winners at BOSA Awards 2016 (http://www.bmigaming.com/bosa-arcade-machine-awards-2016.htm) (Best Of Show Arcade Machine Awards) winners:

Photos
Flickr photo album (https://www.flickr.com/photos/9447776@N02/albums/72157673558288470)
Title: Re: un-named - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 01:41:21 am
Build Info and thinking behind build
So Ive kinda dabbled in cabinet building in the past (the brocade (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151826.0.html) is just one of them) and while i've own cabinets but never actually made a full cabinet, i've made arcade gaming systems. This is my first attempt at a full cabinet from scratch.

I've always wanted a cool looking cabinet that was stylish and a strong presence in my living room without being too cheesy. For me, it would need to look like a slice of arcade at home (lights and sounds).

Pedestal Cabinet
I've always like the X-arcade Arcade2Tv Showcase Cabinet. I liked how clean and slick it looked especially how nice it was when the lights came on. So decided i would make something like this. But I didnt want to spend $2.5k on a cabinet (little did I realise that making one would cost way more!). I also wanted 4 players and light up controls.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8416/29475657404_3ca971cb81.jpg)

All aboard the aircraft carrier. To me this is the best 4 player layout as the main 2 players have the best seats in the house, caters for pinball nicely and has an appealing shape. There are so many monstrous and fat 4 player control panels and cabinets out there, I really didn't want that for this build. Full credit to Jarrett Heather

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8546/29997128082_c9ba128c1a.jpg)

Screen
One thing that has always annoyed me about arcade gaming is how when you switch from game to game, there's wasted space and worst of all no instructions cards, which sucks when your playing fighting games! I want to see not just the marquee but all the cards that a game would have in real life. Most people solve this with a 2nd screen. but for me thats a crap solution, so complicated when you can achieve a better result by thinking differently. Rotate the screen into portrait mode!! that way you can fit everything in one screen using a bezel!! Some games will use the screen differently depending on how much needs to go on the screen. For example Snow brows is simple and has plenty of room while SF4 has a lot of artwork and instruction cards using up a large part of the screen.

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5247/30103662895_998fbabc63.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5047/30089602586_0c3bf79acb.jpg) (https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5546/30160734574_bc079f90df.jpg)

I have a nice 55inch TV for my living room and i sit about 1.4 meters (5 feet) from it. Its way to big for something that is going to be right up in your face. its sooo uncomfortable having move your head to see everything that going on, its like sitting in the front rows of a cinema. But a 55 inch screen is perfect for games played across the width of portrait orientation. In a portrait orientation the screen will be equivalent the a 33inch screen and the user will be aprrox 90cm (3 feet away)

Screen cabinet
So how was i going to create the housing for the Screen? luckily a whole bunch of new mobile to arcade redemption and retro classic remake redemption arcade games have been coming out which use a vertical screen. Out of the ones that i found, it was timberman arcade by MagicPlay that appealed to me. It was nice and simple and used the RGB T-moulding I wanted for my cabinet.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5271/30020033201_c648d8cd45.jpg)(https://c3.staticflickr.com/9/8797/29476364114_192d941fca.jpg)(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5570/30104486035_051bc522c6.jpg)(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5752/29809728650_027edb9c2e.jpg)

Why is it so tall?
The design currently stands at 2.3 meters (7.5 foot) and one of the main reasons its so tall is because im using a 55inch screen. The middle of the screen sits at my eye level (and im on the shorter side). In comparison, the redemption ticket machines are around the same height and some are taller, especially with the marquee sign on top, they also dont use screens as large as my build. For example, the Timberman Arcade machine uses a 42inch screen and is 294cm (9.6 foot) tall, I think this includes the marquee. but any smaller i wouldnt havet been happy with because at a portrait orientation i get the equivalent of a 33inch tv to play games.

Why a box and not a stand or wall mounted
the tv i bought for this had issues as well, which is another reason i went for a box and not a stand. When i bought the tv i should've looked at the back. while it had mounts so it could be wall mounted. it had them at the base of unit. And they are horizontally centered but not vertically. which meant that when i rotated the TV it was lob sided with most of the weight on one side. I found this out after i bought a tv stand to test game artowrk and set up the software... it looked like it could fall to one side at any moment. I so i needed something that was more stable. on the plus side, i have somewhere for all that lovely side art

Illuminated T-moulding
So to stay in line with the goals for this project, in particular:

This build will have illuminated t-moulding. I think lights are a defining feature of arcades and is part of their personality. Arcades are designed to standout and the illuminated t-moulding along with an illuminated control panel will all contribute to achieving this goal. I think it also adds to the more modern look this cabinet will have. You can refer to the inspiration cabinets listed in the post before this one for examples.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5507/30161544525_3323e85f9d_n.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7479/30126749236_a3cae21e87_n.jpg)(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5136/30161543485_6aa87a0f6e_n.jpg)

Concept preview
After months of planning, sketches, research, measuring and field trips to arcades ;) I've finally been able to whip something up in Fusion 360 (which I've also been learning for this project). This is my concept and while it looks very similar to the inspiration cabs on the outside. there was a lot of planning and revisions for the inside of the cabinet sections. There are still some problems i don't know how i will resolve yet. Theme and artwork is also still in undefined as i can't pick a damned name or theme for this build!!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5580/29475247704_7e037acc8a_c.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5506/29989163332_c11719bc5e_c.jpg)
Title: Re: un-named - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wemr97dl on October 04, 2016, 07:46:03 am
After my Build which still is not finished
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,144775.msg1504810.html#msg1504810 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,144775.msg1504810.html#msg1504810)
My suggestion with your concept is to keep all the guts under the CP and just run a cable to the monitor, I put my computer, sound and power in the Monitor Base and used a ton of unnecessary wire and cable because of the length and the fact that it breaks down into 4 pieces. Everything comes apart with plugs at each section but I would try to keep that to a minimum. I think it looks great but you may want to consider making a separate base for the monitor in case you ever have to move it   
Title: Re: un-named - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 09:14:51 am
You hit one of your goals.... It's going to be strong presence, all right. :cheers:
Title: Re: un-named - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 09:25:45 am
My suggestion with your concept is to keep all the guts under the CP and just run a cable to the monitor, I put my computer, sound and power in the Monitor Base and used a ton of unnecessary wire and cable because of the length and the fact that it breaks down into 4 pieces. Everything comes apart with plugs at each section but I would try to keep that to a minimum. I think it looks great but you may want to consider making a separate base for the monitor in case you ever have to move it

Yeah I've broken it up into 3 main parts. The computer will be inside the base along with all the power connections and hard drives. The base moves on dollies that will be attached underneath, then leg levelers will lock it in to place. I've designed the TV stand with enough support material on the front and the back so that it doesn't tilt backwards or forward and is free standing. the base would then roll into place and i was thinking for extra support and stability find a way to attach it to the TV base

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8405/29482730903_16153fb2de.jpg)
Title: Re: un-named - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 09:35:14 am
Do you want feedback and suggestions?

Yeah for sure. Any feedback is welcomed. Im sure there are things ive missed or could perhaps do better. There are parts i will talk about later on that I definitely need help with.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 04, 2016, 09:41:07 am
Personally, I would mount the screen to the wall and use a setup that could be rotated.  HDTVs are much cheaper these days but that thing is going to take up a lot of real estate and not be usable for anything else.

Your current design is going to have players 3 and 4 stubbing their toes.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 09:53:28 am
Personally, I would mount the screen to the wall and use a setup that could be rotated. HDTVs are much cheaper these days but that thing is going to take up a lot of real estate and not be usable for anything else.
this is true. I didnt want it mounted to a wall since i wanted a proper arcade feel. Plus it houses the speakers very nicely and also i wouldn't be able to run the t-moulding lights down the sides if it were wall mounted. This a cabinet that im not holding back for and going all in. Do it proper. hopefully, it will be worth it in the end


Your current design is going to have players 3 and 4 stubbing their toes.
Already accounted for I used kitchen cabinets to test it. Should it still not be enough the control panel can slide forward more ;)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 10:00:31 am
Are you single or are you married? 'Cause if you're married, you're gonna be single soon after...
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 10:12:00 am
Are you single or are you married? 'Cause if you're married, you're gonna be single soon after...

lol... not married, no kids... ah the freedom B)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: harveybirdman on October 04, 2016, 10:14:51 am
Think of all the horrible LED buttons you can buy if you save money on MDF or Plywood and make a pedestal and with the TV mounted on the wall.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 10:18:04 am
If your goal is to recreate a modern day Redemption style arcade machine, then you succeeded. That's really the best advice I can give you.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 10:23:01 am
Oh, and I will echo Malenko thoughts... That machine looks awfully tall.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 04, 2016, 10:35:36 am
I'm most impressed with Fusion 360.

It makes stuff I mock up in Sketch Up look like it was drawn with a crayon.  :'(
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 10:37:45 am
Well ^ this. Boxing in the TV seems unnecessary

very true, but so is having an arcade cabinet in the first place when you could use a latop or raspberry pi. Building the cab should be fun, super expensive and a cool experience. Anyway thats my angle

all those extra angles around the CP stand seems like a lot of extra work for little or no reward. Man do I hate the shape of the CP, everyone treats that CP shape like its the second coming of Christ when NBA Jam did the 4 player panel so much better. Form over Function for you I guess.

Not many games actually use all 4 players, I liked that they were out of the way for most games with this layout. the other benefit is that the front part that sticks out, which is great for pinball games which would go really well with a screen in portrait orientation.

Based on your reply to PBJ I feel like you have all your excuses ready to counter any feedback.
Before i posted this build announcement, I had already spent like 2-3 months researching and planning and going over designs in my head. I spent 3 weeks creating the CAD model with as many considerations to structure, material strength and comfort, as possible. I hope I've got my bases covered. But i didnt post it just as news. I do need people's help, and i encourage people to attack it and find weakness' in the design. I really hope i havent missed anything... later on ill talk about stuff like the TV stand, i think needs more support and reinforcement, how to hide cables between the base and TV, how to manage power and distribution, how to turn on the screen when the computer comes on... and more I do need a lot of help

You can have the TV bling blingie without boxing it in, put cold cathodes behind it. The box houses speakers? TV have speakers already, or you can put them in the pedestal.
"not holding back and going all in" may not have the same meaning it does for you as it does for me. If the "person" in your renders is 6 foot tall, then the cab is 9 foot?
at one stage i thought about, not so much wall mounting it, but having it on a stand much like the Arcade2Tv cabinet and maybe adding ambient lighting, which is a nice effect.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8416/29475657404_3ca971cb81.jpg)(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5460/29484140223_84eb8251e3.jpg)

The speakers are 2.1 sound system (way better than the TVs) and they will run from the PC and comes with a control pod for volume, bass and even has headphone and mic jacks. Thats why i didnt go fo the TV's speakers

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 10:46:58 am
Oh, and I will echo Malenko thoughts... That machine looks awfully tall.

This was a huge concern for me as well. and ive measured it up and mocked it up at my place to visualise how much space it will take up. It is tall but very acceptable. its 20cm or 8inch taller than my front door. It has a height of 2.3 meters or 90.5 inches.

Malenko also mentioned a problem for tall people: I created the cabinet with dimensions that suited me and people around my height. I put alot of consideration in to the dimensions of things. The control panel is at the same height as other cabinets ive come across and even the kitchen benches at my place and my parents. If you're a tall person you'll have to deal with not only a lower screen (which they would have to for any other cab) but also a low control panel. For my tall friends, Ill have a bar stool the can use.

interestingly enough these new redemption machines have a really low control panel, adults have to bend over a bit to play and I'm assuming this is because ticket redemption machine are more aimed at kids
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 04, 2016, 10:51:43 am
Alright, let us know when you start cutting some boards.

:cheers:

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 10:56:17 am
Alright, let us know when you start cutting some boards.

:cheers:
I know, right? :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 11:00:40 am
I'm most impressed with Fusion 360.

It makes stuff I mock up in Sketch Up look like it was drawn with a crayon.  :'(

I was using sketchup for ages. its so simple to use... But saying that im so glad i made the jump to Fusion 360. It can do way more and you have more control over your designs... for exmaple with sketchup i would design with say 16mm mdf in mind... then if for some reason say the supplier says nope can't do 16mm, can only do 18mm... this meant you had to redo the whole thing with the new thickness.  Fusion 360 designs update the whole design with the new thickness (provided you designed it to do so).

Fusion has a steeper learning curve but soooo many more features. and its free for enthusiasts
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 11:10:29 am
Alright, let us know when you start cutting some boards.

:cheers:

while i wish a had the room to cut all the boards myself, unfortunately i live in an apartment. Which means that ill be taking this cab design, laying it out flat and getting it CNC cut (the designs cater for cnc with bone fillets etc). I do plan to construct this at my parents double garage where i have my tools (but my router is missing, my drill is dead, don't have a table saw. I think jig saw still works lol). How i wish i had a workshop. right now my living room is cluttered with arcade parts, boxes and tools.

And i still need to prototype the RGB t-moulding which i have a method for and some questions. which ill post about soon
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 04, 2016, 02:11:21 pm
You designed this to be in an apartment? Do yourself a favor and mock this up with cardboard first...
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 02:22:01 pm
You designed this to be in an apartment? Do yourself a favor and mock this up with cardboard first...
Great advice. It just seems so massive, I didn't even fathom the think what it would be like in an apartment building. Especially if you say it's taller than your doorway.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 04, 2016, 03:51:00 pm
                    DOWHATCHALIKE
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/113066452/digitalunderground.jpg)

Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.

Look at old original 4 player games and where the arrows on the artwork point (and your example pic).  ;)

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on October 04, 2016, 04:06:12 pm
                    DOWHATCHALIKE
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/113066452/digitalunderground.jpg)

Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.

Look at old original 4 player games and where the arrows on the artwork point (and your example pic).  ;)

Now I want a cracker with a spread of cheddar cheese.   :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: PL1 on October 04, 2016, 05:33:12 pm
Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 06:13:32 pm
You designed this to be in an apartment? Do yourself a favor and mock this up with cardboard first...

its not really designed for an apartment specifically. i just live in one and it will fit. ive also thought about how am i going to get it into the house.. how to disassemble should i move etc. without the sides the tv is just a box. so i can break down into smaller parts

to get an idea of the size and visualise it i used masking tape and like a crime scene i put tape on the walls and floor where i plan to have it.

Why is it so tall?
so one of the main reasons its so tall is because im using a 55inch screen. the redemption ticket machines dont use screens that large. but any smaller i wouldnt havet been happy with because at a portrait orientation i get the equivalent of a 33inch tv to play games.

Why a box and not a stand or wall mounted
the tv i bought for this had issues as well, which is another reason i went for a box and not a stand. When i bought the tv i shouldve looked at the back. while it had mounts so it could be wall mounted. it had them at the base of unit, it was horizontally centered but not vertically. which meant that when i rotated it was lob sided. I found this out after i bought a tv stand and tried to have the screen vertically mounted to create the artwork for games. there was heaps of weight to one side. not only was it not level, it looked like it could fall to one side at any moment. I so i needed something that was more stable. on the plus side i have somewhere for all that lovely side art


Edit: Updated concept explanation post with the above (2nd post)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 04, 2016, 06:21:16 pm
Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I havent got around to creating the mounts for the controls yet. ive seen the many many posts about this. and i asked about this in another thread. while it seem counter intuitive to me ill will go with what seems the consensus. Ive seen games that do it like the red.

worst case scenario i can always machine out a new top for the control panel.
Title: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thePrimativ on October 04, 2016, 06:37:07 pm

Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
[/quote]
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott
[/quote]

I havent got around to creating the mounts for the controls yet. ive seen the many many posts about this. and i asked about this in another thread. while it seem counter intuitive to me ill will go with what seems the consensus. Ive seen games that do it like the red.

When it comes down to it it's your cab

Unless you are manufacturing for mass market then consensus doesn't matter
 I think the "red" is aesthetically better and p3-4 will cope if it's not their preferred stance, but I reckon 99% of people wouldn't notice the angled orientation

BTW awesome looking cabinet




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Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 04, 2016, 07:42:20 pm
...Bunch of poorly formatted stuff I filtered out. 

Sure they will. It's noticeable, and thinking "aw, they'll get used to it" and "it's your cab" isn't a good excuse to do things the wrong way. It's not pleasing the consensus, it's solid, tested planning. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 04, 2016, 10:36:41 pm
You indicated you are looking for feedback, above.

I think the 55" screen with dynamic bezel and marquee at the top is a workable idea.

I think you could reduce the height significantly if you covered the bottom of the screen by sinking it into the cabinet.  Nothing below the bezel is really contributing much, but your current cabinet design is showcasing that space, and that's part of what is making it so very, very tall.

Very tall.

(Like, I'm feeling like you need one of those circus hammers as a controller to run "test your strength!" on it, tall.)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 05, 2016, 12:21:37 am
I think you could reduce the height significantly if you covered the bottom of the screen by sinking it into the cabinet.

not sure what you mean by sinking it into the cab, Do you mean just lowering it? right now the screen center is right at my eye level height

Nothing below the bezel is really contributing much, but your current cabinet design is showcasing that space, and that's part of what is making it so very, very tall.
So this confused me for a bit lol. Do you mean the virtual bezel that is on the screen? because the cabinet itself has a bezel just to hide the edges of the screen.
If you mean the virtual bezel then looking at the example of snow bros then yeah there is a lot of unused space. But this isn't going to be the case for all games.
take a look at street fighter 4 for example. Keep in mind that this is a concept and once I test on an actual screen i can improve the layout

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5247/30103662895_998fbabc63.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5047/30089602586_0c3bf79acb.jpg)

Edit: Updated concept explanation post with the above (2nd post)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 05, 2016, 01:06:21 am
Yes, by sinking it into the cab I mean lowering it, and not setting the screen center at your eye level height.  Most people are looking downward on the screen on most arcade cabinets.

Using the Snow Bros example, I've mocked up an image of what I would suggest.

By removing the virtual speaker panel and the dead space below the virtual bezel in the layout, you could drop the virtual marquee down to normal marquee height, and drop the overall height of the cabinet down as well.

The dotted blue line would be the portion of the 55" TV hidden inside the cabinet, unused, behind an actual physical bezel.

(This would prevent you being able to fit 27 instruction cards onto the Street Fighter 4 layout.  You might consider that to be a disadvantage.)

Just my suggestion.  Worth what you paid for it.   :)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 05, 2016, 01:26:05 am
Yes, by sinking it into the cab I mean lowering it, and not setting the screen center at your eye level height.  Most people are looking downward on the screen on most arcade cabinets.

Using the Snow Bros example, I've mocked up an image of what I would suggest.

By removing the virtual speaker panel and the dead space below the virtual bezel in the layout, you could drop the virtual marquee down to normal marquee height, and drop the overall height of the cabinet down as well.

Yeah i see what you mean. I thought that might be what you were talking about. If you take a look at this site, on the letter B artwork page VCabinet (http://www.vcabinet.es/b.html) you'll see that its not that straight forward. That Grill at the bottom is different sizes for different games. its not constant. This is because the original bezel artwork for these games were made for different sized cabs and screens, some games have instruction cards, some dont... the grill is just used to take up the left over space for that particular game.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 05, 2016, 01:41:02 am
Yeah i see what you mean. I thought that might be what you were talking about. If you take a look at this site, on the letter B artwork page VCabinet (http://www.vcabinet.es/b.html) you'll see that its not that straight forward. That Grill at the bottom is different sizes for different games. its not constant. This is because the original bezel artwork for these games were made for different sized cabs and screens, some games have instruction cards, some dont... the grill is just used to take up the left over space for that particular game.

Yes.  It is true, it would require making your own mame layouts where the vertical height was constant and things were sized for your cabinet.  (That is what I did for my project - in my case, I hid both the top and bottom ends of the TV.)  It would be somewhat easier in your case as you would only have to modify the VCabinet setups instead of doing them from scratch - but not as easy as using them as-is.

I think the extra work would make it look a lot better, but, it's your project.   :cheers:  Thanks for hearing me out. 
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 05, 2016, 02:02:27 am
Yes.  It is true, it would require making your own mame layouts where the vertical height was constant and things were sized for your cabinet.  (That is what I did for my project - in my case, I hid both the top and bottom ends of the TV.)  It would be somewhat easier in your case as you would only have to modify the VCabinet setups instead of doing them from scratch - but not as easy as using them as-is.

I think the extra work would make it look a lot better, but, it's your project.   :cheers:  Thanks for hearing me out.

Im going to create my own, the template provided on the site is useful but it uses low res assets. I have already remastered the template. Ive spoken to the guy who runs the site and provided him with the remastered template as well. dont know if he has updated it.

Still, i dont think i can get rid of the screen like that, like Street Fighter 4 there will be games that need the whole screen. and its good to have that if i ever need it.
do you have a pic of your set up? would like to see what you came up with
Title: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thePrimativ on October 05, 2016, 02:11:44 am


Sure they will. It's noticeable, and thinking "aw, they'll get used to it" and "it's your cab" isn't a good excuse to do things the wrong way. It's not pleasing the consensus, it's solid, tested planning. Just sayin'.


Ok so by that logic

CRT= right,  LCD= wrong


Orig PCB = right,  MAME = wrong

Just sayin....

Original statement remains, build for you



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Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 05, 2016, 02:14:08 am
do you have a pic of your set up? would like to see what you came up with

Sure, I've got a build thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,149109.0.html) here like most everybody.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: UEDan on October 05, 2016, 02:15:05 am
Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I havent got around to creating the mounts for the controls yet. ive seen the many many posts about this. and i asked about this in another thread. while it seem counter intuitive to me ill will go with what seems the consensus. Ive seen games that do it like the red.

worst case scenario i can always machine out a new top for the control panel.

Save your time. I did a 2p control panel with both players at an angle. Thinking they can play at an angle for more space.
I trashed it, and used the parts for my bartop.
Controller was unusable at fighting games and annoying at best in shoot'em ups.
My hand naturally followed the orientation of the screen.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 05, 2016, 02:32:32 am
do you have a pic of your set up? would like to see what you came up with

Sure, I've got a build thread (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,149109.0.html) here like most everybody.

Ah see what you mean. makes sense. you basically created a large square area, rim to rim for bezel and game only. looks nice. hmmm i was thinking about standardising the marquee, screen and lower grill areas. this would mean heavily modifing the art work for games like street fighter 4. i would also need to test to see how readable the moves list is at different sizes. its seems street fighter 4 is a good test case to prototype the artwork
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 05, 2016, 09:41:14 am
Save your time. I did a 2p control panel with both players at an angle. Thinking they can play at an angle for more space.
I trashed it, and used the parts for my bartop.
Controller was unusable at fighting games and annoying at best in shoot'em ups.
My hand naturally followed the orientation of the screen.

Thank you for sharing first hand experience.


Chito,

My $.02 on the height is that you really need to do some testing and figure out what feels right to you while using it.
Since the screen is perfectly vertical, I'd want the center of the screen at eye level.  I wouldn't want to be looking down at it.
However if kids are going to be playing it, I'd take that into account and lower it a bit.

For reference, check out the Dynamo showcase cab dimensions at the bottom of this page:
http://jakobud.com/cabinetPlans.php (http://jakobud.com/cabinetPlans.php)
You'd probably want the center of your screen to be in the same place as the center of that screen.

Make it as tall as it needs to be for the ergonomics to work out.
It's not like you need the space above it for anything.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 05, 2016, 10:41:56 am


...more poorly formatted stuff I had to trim out. For the sake of ---fudgesicle---, man, learn to quote.

Your logic is pretty bad.

LCDs are perfectly acceptable replacements for CRTs, especially in custom builds. It doesn't affect gameplay.

MAME is perfectly acceptable to use as opposed to PCBs, especially in custom builds. It generally doesn't affect gameplay.

There has been plenty of actual anecdotal evidence, including a post in this thread right after yours, that shows angled joysticks are a bad design decision. It's been pointed out over time by people who have done it that it's something they regret, usually costing them time and money to fix later.

But yes, let's keep telling the OP to build what he wants, even though experience shows otherwise.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 05, 2016, 11:44:11 am
99% of people wouldn't notice the angled orientation

I'm happily in the 1% camp. :)


Case and point...I'm convinced this is partly why Zaxxon wasn't a more popular game. The Joystick wasn't angled but the screen was. Resulting in frustrating and non-intuitive game play.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 05, 2016, 11:49:50 am
99% of people wouldn't notice the angled orientation

I'm happily in the 1% camp. :)
It's funny, the way companies like Williams, Atari , and Midway all designed their cabinets back in the day to cater to that 1%. I guess it's up to us MAME Builders to show those ---uvula--- engineers the right and fix their clearly grievous error, correct?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 05, 2016, 12:16:08 pm
99% of people wouldn't notice the angled orientation

I'm happily in the 1% camp. :)
It's funny, the way companies like Williams, Atari , and Midway all designed their cabinets back in the day to cater to that 1%. I guess it's up to us MAME Builders to show those ---uvula--- engineers the right and fix their clearly grievous error, correct?

Dude, you shouldn't have rotated your joystick on the Q*Bert, makes it impossible to play.
Enh, I'll just invite a bunch of 99%ers over,  they won't know the difference.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 05, 2016, 12:21:29 pm
Make it as tall as it needs to be for the ergonomics to work out.
It's not like you need the space above it for anything.

Certainly, build whatever makes you happy.

If he goes for the full height version, I wanna see this running on it.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 05, 2016, 04:06:23 pm
/me high-fives Laythe
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 05, 2016, 06:06:39 pm
Make it as tall as it needs to be for the ergonomics to work out.
It's not like you need the space above it for anything.

Certainly, build whatever makes you happy.

If he goes for the full height version, I wanna see this running on it.

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=151843.0;attach=351785;image)

lol well i could definitely include that on the side art. maybe even create a real one with LED's lol.
if you go to an arcade and see these modern cabinets they are tall. and sure its usual, but so is anything new. but really this isnt any taller than a bookcase or shelving unit. if the height does become an issue V2 might be a sit-down cab, switch the height issue for depth but really you'd be making everything lower and adding a chair. Screen unit wouldn't need to be so thick either. so many idas

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/9/8694/29511235833_f2067b3174.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 05, 2016, 06:50:43 pm
Good luck with your build, chito.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 12:29:33 am
Time to talk about the illuminated T-moulding.
The aim is to create something like this

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5136/30161543485_6aa87a0f6e.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/8/7479/30126749236_a3cae21e87.jpg)(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5507/30161544525_3323e85f9d.jpg)

While i was doing my research I found this vid on youtube
Illuminated T-Molding (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_LJ3btCL0k) by Daron Thomas

the vid is a demo of what he created. in the comments, he describes what he did

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5546/29535653144_d4d59feca4.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5161/29535651924_1252ab99f4.jpg)

While this is easy enough for a single straight edge, I can't figure out how he did all the edges, especially since they are on the sides. The resin is very runny. I can only assume he taped up the edges with something, except for an opening where he would pour in the resin. then stand up the board so the opening is on top, and then pour in the resin.

I've never worked with resin before, does anyone have any ideas? if i can find out what material to use to cover up the side ill attempt the above this weekend (i hope). Ill also experiment with painting the inside of the groove silver to reflect more light

I've got all the parts i need to prototype it. (still need to find my plunge router or buy a new one).
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: jmike on October 07, 2016, 03:06:18 am
Did you see this light-up t-molding on the t-molding.com website? Looks like regular t-molding but with a hollow groove so you can insert the LED strip. Should have no issues with any of the curves on your build. A bit expensive
but you'll avoid any headaches with the epoxy.

https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html (https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html)


 :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 03:16:08 am
Yeah, Ive even got a sample of it. The problem with that one is that you get the led dots. this other method gives you an uninterrupted glow.
Really dont like the dot look.

(https://www.t-molding.com/media/products/led-tmolding-with-blue-strip.jpg)

Others have used EL wire and it can even run through the hollow t-moulding. The problem is the inverter, the can be loud/annoying and to really get the glow im after you would need EL-tape, which is alot more expensive especially with the inverter/inverters to run such long strips
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 07, 2016, 08:47:56 am
You are going to need a welding helmet to stand in front of that thing for any period of time. 8)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 09:24:02 am
im pretty sure you can dim the leds. if not via the controller then via adding resistors.
it would be the same as watching a TV in a dark room. An open window during the day or the living room lights on at night would soften the light coming from the cab.

You can see these cabs at an arcade, they arent that bright
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 07, 2016, 10:23:14 am
I was referring mainly to the giant display. Most people don't sit 2 feet away from their large screen TV. You might want to try that out before you start cutting wood.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 10:42:20 am
oh lol. sorry thought we were talking about the t-moulding
Yeah ive got 2 55 inch tvs, when your close and in the dark, yeah its bright! lol and it hard to tell where to look. but when its rotated to portrait, its equivalent to a 33inch TV... nice a comfy but still kinda bright, the other areas of the screen arent doing much. A person would be about 88cm which is about 2.9 feet lol. really wouldnt want to watch flashing anime on it maybe lol

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l801g3TNrb1qc63sno1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 07, 2016, 10:48:38 am
My rough rule of thumb is that the distance to your eyeballs should be at least as far away as the diagonal measurement of the 4:3 image being displayed.
That would just be the playfield, not the bezel art if it were being used.

One thing I've found with large screens is that shmups are more difficult if you have to move your head around to look at the enemies rather than being back far enough to take it all in.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lettuce on October 07, 2016, 07:42:09 pm
Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I cant agree with this!, P3 & P4 would be standing at an angle to the screen and not straight on like players 1 & 2 would be, and because of this the joysticks for P3 and P4 should be at the same angle as the player would be standing at!, so for me P4 is correct and P3 is incorrect as P3 the buttons arent even the same orientation as the joystick!!, after all this is how the 4 player Konami cabs are setup as!
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 07:44:52 pm
Just don't angle player 3 & 4 joysticks.
The player can stand at an angle.  The buttons can be at an angle.
But the joysticks should be installed oriented the same way as P1&P2.
QFT.

Green = good.  Red = bad.

(https://web.archive.org/web/20150625124703im_/http://newwiki.arcadecontrols.com/images/thumb/d/da/StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg/800px-StraightAndAngledSticks.jpg)


Scott

I cant agree with this!, players 3 & 4 would be standing at an angle to the screen and not straight on like players 1 & 2 would be and because of this the joysticks for P3 and P4 should be at the same angle the player would be standing at!
It's been proven and tested, lettice. Stop passing on bad information. Your eyes and hands, not body orientation, is what determines how you move. Don't overthink it
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: lettuce on October 07, 2016, 07:49:51 pm
It's been proven and tested, lettice. Stop passing on bad information. Your eyes and hands, not body orientation, is what determines how you move. Don't overthink it

Proven and tested by who??, the button orientation doesnt even match the joystick in you example.....its completely backwards! P3 and P4 wil be standing at a 45 degree angle to the screen so in your example they would have to push up and to the left for them to do up in the game as there not standing straight on to the screen. Konami 4P cabs are setup like P3 in your example!

The fact that you have place the buttons at a 45 degree angle and not the sticks shows that your idea doesn't hold any water, otherwise why not have the buttons in the same orientation as the stick for P1 and P2????
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: DudeRegular on October 07, 2016, 07:50:11 pm
That angled joystick deal gets posted everywhere and is in folks signatures for a reason. Come on guys. Build your own stuff all busted but quit encouraging new builds to be jacked up.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 07:51:31 pm
It's been proven and tested, lettice. Stop passing on bad information. Your eyes and hands, not body orientation, is what determines how you move. Don't overthink it

Proven and tested by who??, the button orientation doesnt even match the joystick in you example.....its completely backwards! P3 and P4 wil be standing at a 45 degree angle to the screen so in your example they would have to push up and to the left for them to do up in the game as there not standing straight on to the screen. Konami 4P cabs are setup like P3 in your example!

Sigh. Lest you think I'm speaking out ---my bottom---... look at the time stamp on this post I MADE....

This weekend, when I went to Castles N' Coasters, I decided to try this out for myself. My natural inclination would be that yes, P3 and P4 should be angled to the screen in order for things to feel right. They have a few 4 player games there, and I checked - all the joysticks from the factory are installed straight up (no angling).

I put some credits in and I used the P3 controls (far left). I started off by playing straight-forward, directly in front of the machine. Obviously, I had no issues. I then, stepped to the side, playing as if I were the third player and someone were occupying the P1 area. Although my body was angled towards the screen, I had NO issues with the joystick. When I wanted to move up on screen, reflexively I pushed the joystick in the up direction relative to the screen, not "up" relative to me. It the same with the sides. I even moved so that I was standing on the side of the cabinet altogether (you should have seen the looks I got), but it made no difference. You just instinctively know where to go.

So there you go, tested out in an arcade on a real machine 5 days ago. You don't need to angle your sticks.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 07:53:00 pm
It's been proven and tested, lettice. Stop passing on bad information. Your eyes and hands, not body orientation, is what determines how you move. Don't overthink it

Proven and tested by who??, the button orientation doesnt even match the joystick in you example.....its completely backwards! P3 and P4 wil be standing at a 45 degree angle to the screen so in your example they would have to push up and to the left for them to do up in the game as there not standing straight on to the screen. Konami 4P cabs are setup like P3 in your example!

The fact that you have place the buttons at a 45 degree angle and not the sticks shows that your idea doesn't hold any water, otherwise why not have the buttons in the same orientation as the stick for P1 and P2????

Heh.... wait a minute... now that I read your post carefully, I think we're arguing for the SAME THING.

Edit: Or maybe not. I dunno. What the ---fudgesicle---?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lettuce on October 07, 2016, 07:56:25 pm
I think it just depends on the person, its the whole inverted and un-inverted of controls for flight sims, just because one way feels 'right' to you doesn't mean it feels the same for the next person!.

All i know is when i built my 4P cab many moons ago i try a mock up of both ways and the 45 degree angle way felt much more intuitive to me as the button layout was also at a 45 degree angle, and just felt 'right'
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 07:59:15 pm
I think it just depends on the person, its the whole inverted and un-inverted of controls for flight sims, just because one way feels 'right' to you doesn't mean it feels the same for the next person!

Naaaaaaaa........... I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Plenty of people over the years have weighed in, regretting doing the angled joysticks (hint: look in this very thread). The fact that none of the actual arcade manufacturers themselves DIDN'T ANGLE THEIR FOUR PLAYER GAMES should also be evidence enough. But hey, go smoke a few bowls, put on some Black Sabbath, and build whatever you wanna build, right?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 07, 2016, 07:59:45 pm
I cant agree with this!, P3 & P4 would be standing at an angle to the screen and not straight on like players 1 & 2 would be, and because of this the joysticks for P3 and P4 should be at the same angle as the player would be standing at!, so for me P4 is correct and P3 is incorrect as P3 the buttons arent even the same orientation as the joystick!!, after all this is how the 4 player Konami cabs are setup as!
Everything in this post is absolute ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.

Show me any 4-player cabinet that does this.

It's been proven over and over, but lets keep beating this down for people propagating misinformation:

Gauntlet:
(http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-60z4za/products/179/images/363/gauntlet1cpo__15224.1432740325.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

Gauntlet converted to a Golden Axe 2:
(http://arcadecontrols.com/images/controlpanels/golden2.gif)

Golden Axe 2:
(http://www.arcade-museum.com/images/106/1065804173.jpg)

Rampage:
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FY7kEOPpZHs/hqdefault.jpg)

TMNT 2:
(http://tigerheli.mameworld.info/encoder/tmnt2a.jpg)

Simpsons:
(http://raster-burn.net/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/2014-05-arcade/2014-05-25_15-43-28_89sm.jpg)

X-men 6-player:
(http://i.imgur.com/p0H20LQ.jpg)

Notice anything similar?  All the mounting screws for the joysticks are aligned in the same orientation. Not like P4 in the example above.
Even the X-men 6-player with the Dazzler and Cyclops positions in the most extreme angles are still aligned with Wolverine and Storm's positions.

Seriously, just stop with the angled BS. It's a noob mistake that seems to still be sticking around after all this time.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 08:00:35 pm
Dammit, Opt, I was just doing the same thing!!!!!
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 07, 2016, 08:00:39 pm
Nice edit, lettuce.  ::)

Dammit, Opt, I was just doing the same thing!!!!!

great minds man... ;)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 08:06:18 pm
great minds man... ;)

It's all that circle jerkin'.....

Look, if you want to angle them, angle them. But it's bad design.

Although, like PBJ is fond of pointing out...

"Not sweat on players 3 & 4, you'll never have more than one player on that thing."
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: BadMouth on October 07, 2016, 08:29:26 pm


after all this is how the 4 player Konami cabs are setup as!

Awe man.  I'm too late to the party to shoot this down.  See Konami cab pics already posted (and take note of the joystick bolt pattern orientation).





Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 07, 2016, 08:32:42 pm

Awe man.  I'm too late to the party to shoot this down.  See Konami cab pics already posted (and take note of the joystick bolt pattern orientation).

Stop using facts and evidence. We should be encouraging people to build what they dig, bro. Build what they dig.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 09:58:05 pm
i think its really great to see how pasionate people get about their builds and cabients ingeneral. when i started researching for this build a few months back, it seem counter intuitive to me to orientate them to the screen. i mean when you're on a console and you're angled to screen, you dont often, if ever, have issues. but asking around and reading up on it, too me its pretty clear what the best practice is.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 07, 2016, 10:01:51 pm
I'm starting to think that the best argument for a two player control panel isn't that it's smaller... isn't that it's cheaper... isn't that you'll almost never have three or four people interested in playing your cab at once...  isn't that it fits so neatly between the cabinet sides... isn't that it's more tasteful...

... those may all be true, but, no. 

The best argument for a two player control panel is that you only have a 15-20% chance of the "Angled P3/P4 joysticks" argument showing up in your build thread if you don't have P3/P4 joysticks.   :lol

(That said?  Don't angle your P3/P4 joysticks, it's wrong.  It's just a matter of opinion... and some people's opinion is wrong.)




The deep-routed LED illuminated T-molding idea is interesting.  I'd be loathe to pour epoxy resin in there as a diffuser though - someday, one of those LEDs is going to burn out, and if you can't get in there to replace it when it does, you'll be Sad.  Maybe loose-roll some cellophane diffuser material or something into that space.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 10:49:09 pm
The deep-routed LED illuminated T-molding idea is interesting.  I'd be loathe to pour epoxy resin in there as a diffuser though - someday, one of those LEDs is going to burn out, and if you can't get in there to replace it when it does, you'll be Sad.  Maybe loose-roll some cellophane diffuser material or something into that space.

The lifetime of Leds is meant to be very long, losing brightness over time .
Quote
LEDs have a general life expectancy of 50 000 hrs. If you use your lights for 10 hours a day, this should be 13.7 yrs

that been said im in the process of talking to someone about creating a replaceable version using clear silicone rubber, which should make it easier to work with. If that was achieved it would be easier to replace.. if not and if just 1 led burns out that's going to suck lol might need to replace the whole panel. but hopefully, that wouldnt happen for a few years, at least 5 years. worse case i leave them off.

If you go to the sites of the companies that manufacture these cabinets, in their spare parts they dont list the t-moulding... im guessing they use a similar permanent method
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 07, 2016, 10:49:56 pm
Lit t-moulding.......... :whap

Don't you dare do it, i had the same fascination a year ago, the bros talked me out of it.

You need to think long term and maintenance man, unless you are commissioned for it, making a tron machine only makes sense on a TRON machine.  You don't want to kill the project with the circus clown act, plus as stated above, if those leds go out, you got a piece of half lit crap on your hands.

Go big but stay classy as the homies would say, you'll regret making your machine look like Fast N Furious.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 07, 2016, 11:17:29 pm
Lit t-moulding.......... :whap

Don't you dare do it, i had the same fascination a year ago, the bros talked me out of it.

You need to think long term and maintenance man, unless you are commissioned for it, making a tron machine only makes sense on a TRON machine.  You don't want to kill the project with the circus clown act, plus as stated above, if those leds go out, you got a piece of half lit crap on your hands.

Go big but stay classy as the homies would say, you'll regret making your machine look like Fast N Furious.

I think lights are a defining feature of arcades, its part of their personality. i don't think it's tacky at all, maybe on a car but not on an arcade. I want this cab to feel like your stepping into an arcade, which means lights. If they burn out they burn out and i replace them or find a way. necessities inspire innovation ;)

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8639/30182222355_cb81e9168d.jpg)(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5569/30182224165_cd01d471f3.jpg)(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5015/29886593810_55ba22b38d.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 07, 2016, 11:54:59 pm
The lifetime of Leds is meant to be very long, losing brightness over time .

LEDs have a general life expectancy of 50 000 hrs. If you use your lights for 10 hours a day, this should be 13.7 yrs

True, but do keep in mind you are on the wrong end of redundancy here.  As an example:

If a twin engine airplane will fly on one engine, the odds of an engine failure related crash are roughly halved versus a single engine airplane - both of them have to fail before it's an emergency.

If a twin engine airplane won't fly on one engine, the odds of an engine failure related crash are about doubled versus a single engine airplane - EITHER of them can fail and it's an emergency.

This setup is going to have, what, four hundred LEDs in it?  And you're going to notice and be irked at the dead spot if one of them burns out.

The average life of an LED in a properly cooled, properly regulated environment might be 50,000 hours, but that's the average.  Some of them are going to live a whole lot longer... and some of them are going to be the ones that pulled that average back down.

(That's my argument for trying to keep it user-serviceable, anyway.  If you don't think you'd be bugged by one dying, maybe it's no big deal.)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 08, 2016, 12:22:19 am
Eh, if some burn out you just unplug them and it looks like regular t molding.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 08, 2016, 12:24:17 am
This setup is going to have, what, four hundred LEDs in it?  And you're going to notice and be irked at the dead spot if one of them burns out.

The average life of an LED in a properly cooled, properly regulated environment might be 50,000 hours, but that's the average.  Some of them are going to live a whole lot longer... and some of them are going to be the ones that pulled that average back down.

(That's my argument for trying to keep it user-serviceable, anyway.  If you don't think you'd be bugged by one dying, maybe it's no big deal.)

you make a good point, I have thought about this as well but i dont have an answer. But there has to be way. if the manufactured cabinets are doing it.
I may just settle to do it this way for now and see if i can discover/engineer something later. something more workable/usable... if anyone has ideas or can prototype that would be awesome.

I really think clear silicone rubber instead of the epoxy resin is the answer
maybe add exhaust ports? or increase the depth of the of the groove and allow a gap between the silicone rubber (not epoxy)

anyway ill muck around with this more for a version 2 and upgrade this build with new panels
whoever nails this will  make a huge impact on cabinet makers i think

Eh, if some burn out you just unplug them and it looks like regular t molding.
yeah there is that too lol. i was looking at regular white t-moulding for the teme of this cab
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: RetroGreg on October 08, 2016, 01:46:43 am
I have to agree with Laythe on the leds. I'd go with the t molding you can insert the strip in or not do it at all. it just seems like one of those things that could go really wrong with the slot cutting, the filling, the lights, or the overall durability. I'd also see about trying to make it not quite as tall like everyone else said. I know it might seem like everyone is piling on you, but we're not. I bet you could make it a little shorter and still be satisfied with it.

I tried to incorporate too many things in my first build and it ended up being a tear down after a couple years. This forum over the past 10 years has really taught me that less is more. You probably don't need 4 players, you don't need a million games, and excess features can just complicate and end up making the cab worse if you're not careful.

That being said, I really do like the shape and the modernized style so I would like to see you finish this and post pics. It's modeled after the new style cabs and I think it's cool that you're going to make one.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 08, 2016, 09:25:33 am
At this point the man has a vision of what he wants regardless of the warnings.  It's barring on a project type of  ' I just wanna see if I can do it'.

Which is fine, the fellas are just giving you the answers to the test to avoid the 'what the hell was i thinking' look a year from now.

If your stuck on the idea of fast n furious, look up illumicade (no longer in business - hint hint)  it belonged to a guy on the klov forums, he figured out a way using chinese parts to do what you want.  I think he sold one batch and then disappeared.  You might try contacting him on the forum and he may either tell you what parts to buy or sell you a kit.  Shot in the dark but its a lead.

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=339197 (http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=339197)

(http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q10/nos_zc_36579/D9D197D5-FE99-43C2-895D-90E50E3E3F5A_zpsqf5rwrvg.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 08, 2016, 10:46:01 am
This was as of 11/2015, when a member of KLOV asked if the project died.

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I think it did. My funds were returned a while back. I too was so looking forward to this mod. I sure hope he or someone else perfects this technology and comes out with it again soon.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 08, 2016, 11:18:14 am
yeah i came across illumicade while I was researching for this. he used El tape, ive already explained why i wouldnt use EL tape.

If your stuck on the idea of fast n furious, look up illumicade (no longer in business - hint hint)
fast n furious look? have u been in an arcade?? how about the arcade look... modern cabinets in particular.

if you're implying that he isnt in business because its a bad idea then i think youve over looked that he tried to create a comercial product, which takes heaps of time, money and resources. hence why things like kickstarter exsist.
his venture failed because he gave up and had supplier issues. not because it was a bad idea or he couldn't get it to work. there certainly was demand for the product

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Last update I had from him was that he could not get the product made correctly, and that he will refund the money this month.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 08, 2016, 08:50:04 pm
Yessir, i've been to dave and busters plenty of times, the difference is the modern arcades are surrounded by their brothers and sisters.  This is going in your house im assuming alone.

Look at it like this, you remember the big thing back in the day was to underlite your car, nobody does that any more, or have 101 lit buttons on a CP, nobody does that any more.

Nobody is saying what your doing or what he did was a bad idea, these are just helpful posts of information.  If you want to put a halo around the thing with a ferris wheel, its all good.

Yes there was demand for a small niche market, and at 400.00 a kit a very deep pocketed niche market.  A majority of the posts mentioned TRON as well, if you want modern and different maybe try edgelit etched plexi.

Either way good luck  :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 09, 2016, 06:44:07 am
yeah thats okay. Just having an arcade machine at home standouts already. Besides, it aligns with 2 of my goals for this build

you say that no one does it anymore but ive already shown and talked about multiple examples of brand new machines in the market that do. Sure for a home build you may not want something that stands out as much, Arcade are designed to stand out, they've just gotten better at it. progressed beyond a lit up marquee and a nice cabinet. Just go to your arcade or even better check out
the BOSA Awards 2016 (http://www.bmigaming.com/bosa-arcade-machine-awards-2016.htm) (Best Of Show Arcade Machine Awards) winners:
Mario & sonic at the Rio Olympics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw3EAfmejgI) - tall and bright, vertical screen, illuminated CP, Led strips on either side of screen
MotoGP Arcade (https://youtu.be/Xra0DT2ccZk?t=15s) - illuminated t-moulding
Galaga Assault (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuQVNK9_Ed0) - tall and bright, vertical screen, illuminated t-moulding, illuminated CP, RGB illuminated bezel
Timberman arcade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3iIQcKht4o) - tall and bright, vertical screen, illuminated t-moulding, illuminated CP
Crossy Road arcade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HAOG7I4e2o) - tall and bright, vertical screen, RGB Led strips on either side of screen, illuminated CP
Pink Panther Jewel Heist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMJrnOkX86Q) - tall and bright, vertical screen, illuminated CP, illuminated bezel


Yes there was demand for a small niche market, and at 400.00 a kit a very deep pocketed niche market.
This is the prob with EL tape and its has other problems. I've started prototyping this already
Found clear silicone 300g - $5 AUD ($3.79 USD)
rgb led strip 5M ($13 AUD/$9.86 USD) with controller and power adapter - $26 AUD ($19.73 USD)

this means that this method/solution would cost about $5-6 AUD or $3.76-4.55 USD the meter (3.3 feet)
A huge difference

Using silicone solves the issue of repairs and is so easy to work with. You can easily remove it if you need to later on
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 09, 2016, 10:38:23 am
Innovation is good man, and you've got your set vision in mind.

Hope it all works out for you in the end, and it looks good.

LOL, i guess i cant talk, folks hated on my flaming dragon idea instead of a coin door until it was done, and it turned out pretty sharp.

Happy building  :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 10, 2016, 03:02:36 am
i will continue to work on the t-moulding, need to source a deeper bit. in the mean time...

Has anyone figured out how to turn a lcd tv on/off when your comp does?

i know that some devices can use Hdmi CEC to do this very thing. so when you power on youre console/dvd player your tv powers on. I contacted the company and a technician told me my model doesnt have this. so i need to find a solution that probably imitates the IR remote. this is something ive researched and havent really found any solution. does anyone know of anything i can use? home are become more automate so there is bound to be something out there
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yamatetsu on October 10, 2016, 03:39:39 am
Has anyone figured out how to turn a lcd tv on/off when your comp does?

That's simple.

Use the remote to turn on the TV, switch it to the right input. Pull the TV's power cable. Put the cable back in. If the TV turns on and remembers the right input, you are golden.
In the cab you can use a smart powerstrip to power the PC and the TV. If you turn on the PC, the TV will automatically be powered on too.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 10, 2016, 04:19:04 am
I remember reading this solution once, forgot all about it lol.

Just tested it. unfortunately, my TV does not seem to do this. cant seem to find a setting for it either.

If anyone know of a good solution (one that hopefully doesnt cost too much) that would be greatly appreciated
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 10, 2016, 10:21:31 am
I remember reading this solution once, forgot all about it lol.

Just tested it. unfortunately, my TV does not seem to do this. cant seem to find a setting for it either.

If anyone know of a good solution (one that hopefully doesnt cost too much) that would be greatly appreciated

USB Infrared Toy (https://www.seeedstudio.com/usb-infrared-toy-v2-p-831.html?cPath=174)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BorgDog on October 10, 2016, 11:44:43 am
I remember reading this solution once, forgot all about it lol.

Just tested it. unfortunately, my TV does not seem to do this. cant seem to find a setting for it either.

If anyone know of a good solution (one that hopefully doesnt cost too much) that would be greatly appreciated

Another thing to try is to hold the power button down permanently.  Some tv's will then power on and stay that way when they get power, others will power cycle if button held down. 

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 10, 2016, 08:06:01 pm
 just turn the tv on and leave it on, it should work how you want it to when you plug it and the pc into the smart strip with PC as master, unless that tv has a latching on off button, it should power off and on when pc is powered on and shut down....Try that first before spinning your wheels on alternatives.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 10, 2016, 08:53:33 pm
My TV doesnt retain state once it has lost power from the main. so a smart strip won't work for the TV i have.

USB Infrared Toy (https://www.seeedstudio.com/usb-infrared-toy-v2-p-831.html?cPath=174)
this looks great, simple and cheap (v3 in the works which looks like will be cheaper). I just need to look into how to program it and get it to run the scripts when i need them to. the great thing about this little PCB is that it has a forum and community. So hopefully i can find some answers.

So the problem i need solve is to get the TV to turn on as soon as the comp does... and when the comp shuts down it needs to Turn the TV off. the USB Infrared Toy looks good and no matter what i find im guessing i wont be able to turn on the TV until the computer fully boots into windows and run a script or something that transmits the IR signal

Other stuff I found like the USB-UIRT (http://www.usbuirt.com/overview.htm) and a whole bunch of Arduino and Raspberry Pi IR transmitter/receiver/universal remote solutions. but they weren't quite right. and created other problems like how could i get the raspberry pi to receive a signal on shut down, transmit the IR signal then shutdown itself and then power off... how could i get it to power on when the pc turns on... A smart strip with might turn an ardunio/Rpi on but will force it to turn off before it shuts down etc

I hope this makes sense. I wirting this really fast (at work) and will edit to make more readable later
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 10, 2016, 09:01:28 pm
thats a very odd tv, make sure efficiency settings arent turned on.

How in the world did you select the rare tv's that don't hold power state.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yamatetsu on October 10, 2016, 09:37:13 pm
So the problem i need solve is to get the TV to turn on as soon as the comp does... and when the comp shuts down it needs to Turn the TV off.

Smart powerstrip. You plug the computer into the master socket, the TV into a slave socket. As soon as you power on the PC, the slave sockets get juice, too.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 10, 2016, 09:42:07 pm
he has TV that doesnt hold power state unfortunately.

take a look at this link, these guys used a 8.00 relay....

http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=27987&hl=%2012v%20%20relay%20%20cycle%20%20timer (http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=27987&hl=%2012v%20%20relay%20%20cycle%20%20timer)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 10, 2016, 09:48:38 pm
Dude, with all the bling you got goin' on, I don't think anyone's going to care if the TV remote is sitting nearby... :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BorgDog on October 10, 2016, 09:51:00 pm
he has TV that doesnt hold power state unfortunately.

take a look at this link, these guys used a 8.00 relay....

http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=27987&hl=%2012v%20%20relay%20%20cycle%20%20timer (http://www.vpforums.org/index.php?showtopic=27987&hl=%2012v%20%20relay%20%20cycle%20%20timer)

Yup, this works great, have one on my main playfield tv in the vp cab. Just have to open up the tv and do a little soldering.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thomas_surles on October 10, 2016, 10:02:44 pm
Dude, with all the bling you got goin' on, I don't think anyone's going to care if the TV remote is sitting nearby... :cheers:
:laugh2: thank you.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yamatetsu on October 10, 2016, 10:20:04 pm
he has TV that doesnt hold power state unfortunately.

He can use the powerstrip to turn on the PC and the TV and (hopefully) the infrared toy to switch the TV to the proper input when the PC has booted.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 10, 2016, 10:36:49 pm
So the TV is from a brand called Soniq, now sure where in the world they are a common brand. they're not the best brand but are simple and straight forward.

I originally bought a 43inch but then exchanged it for the 55 inch when it seemed it would be too narrow in portrait. I didn't want a TV with all the bells and whistles since im only using it as a screen and don't need any smart TV features and could also go without 4K. So I bought this one and at a good price.
looking back i shouldve looked for something that had CEC bus support on the HDMI input at least

Dude, with all the bling you got goin' on, I don't think anyone's going to care if the TV remote is sitting nearby... :cheers:
lol true. I dont want to have to need a remote nearby, might distract from all the bling lol. really i just  want a clean neat solution like a one button startup would be awesome. Plus the IR receiver on the TV would be behind the bezel which i would have to cater for.

that timed relay looks like a great solution. so the TV is plugged into a smart powerstrip, when the PC powers on it gives the TV and the relay power, after the timer counts down it closes the relay which is wired to the power button on the TV, turning it on.
the smart power strip will handle turning the TV off with PC. awesome! it would be great if the replay could close on power off, wouldnt need the smart power strip then 
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 11, 2016, 02:41:54 pm
Plus the IR receiver on the TV would be behind the bezel which i would have to cater for.

Solution # 2

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018VKBGVC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018VKBGVC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41wqI7a1TGL.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 11, 2016, 02:47:00 pm
So the TV is from a brand called Soniq,

Here is a post from back in March where a member got the USB Infrared Toy working on that exact brand of TV:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,150198.msg1569076.html#msg1569076 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,150198.msg1569076.html#msg1569076)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 11, 2016, 03:07:07 pm
I'm a day late and a dollar short, but I'm gonna chime in - Fella, that's waaaaay too tall. How the hell are people going to do the 80s Lean:

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/core-products-s3/1f9ad8a1-b0c2-4928-87e9-9191d0beb92b.jpg?response-content-type=image%2Fjpeg&response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%3D%221980sAracde600.jpg%22%3B%20filename%2A%3DUTF-8%27%271980sAracde600.jpg&X-Amz-Content-Sha256=e3b0c44298fc1c149afbf4c8996fb92427ae41e4649b934ca495991b7852b855&X-Amz-Algorithm=AWS4-HMAC-SHA256&X-Amz-Credential=AKIAJEJX3SFQYQNRCXMQ%2F20161011%2Fus-east-1%2Fs3%2Faws4_request&X-Amz-Date=20161011T183543Z&X-Amz-SignedHeaders=Host&X-Amz-Expires=604800&X-Amz-Signature=deff3d8b72cd0d049368955329675662c404cacfb15d8626d5ffed3f8647ecbf) (http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/5670996911_0df0a2af9a_z.jpg) (http://www.powerhousemuseum.com/the80sareback/files/2010/02/nolan_bushnell.jpeg) (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a277/Jay-Ryan/ArcadeChuckECheeseNJ.jpg) (http://img2.izismile.com/img/img4/20110428/640/arcade_rooms_in_640_20.jpg) (http://img2.izismile.com/img/img4/20110428/640/arcade_rooms_in_640_07.jpg)

Mind you, I did find this:

(http://i.imgur.com/vjUxGjq.jpg)

Yeah, sod it. Make it huge.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 11, 2016, 03:45:24 pm
The screens are angled back on those cabinets and for adults the lit marquee is right in their face.  :P
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 11, 2016, 05:43:21 pm
So the TV is from a brand called Soniq,

Here is a post from back in March where a member got the USB Infrared Toy working on that exact brand of TV:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,150198.msg1569076.html#msg1569076 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,150198.msg1569076.html#msg1569076)

ill try this solution first, its more expensive but less intrusive and has the potential to handle power off on shutdown and therefore not needing the smart power board... so maybe it will be cheaper?

i already know that running the power off script on shutdown is going to be annoying since you cant run scripts on a hybrid shutdown, which is what windows does ever since 8. prob going to have to turn that off.

And if i can, im going to try to get the power on script to run before windows starts to boot. this only because when my tv turns on, 2 annoying splash screens come on so it takes a bit of time before u get a visual. getting it to turn on after windows is loaded really adds up. which is why the relay option was so appealing.

anyway ill try this first and hopefully its not a waste
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 12, 2016, 08:14:38 pm
Status Update

all test parts have arrived. buttons, joysticks, leds, acrylic tubing, t-moulding samples, dollies, leg levelers, led strip with controller.

have made an order for the usb infrared toy

item 1) i will test out a few buttons and Led solutions. I know this has been done in the past and there are a few posts on this already... but the way the photos were done could have been better. what i mean is when you photograph a scene with multiple light sources it makes it really hard (near impossible) to get all of them show up right. the better way would've been to photograph each button led combo individually. so i knew i couldn't rely on the photos. i had to see them for myself and pick the combination that i liked the most for this build; which is lit up but not in your face lit up. Enough to be seen in a well lit room, kinda the way pokie machines are in casinos. i think they are called slot machines in the states

item 2) ive started prototyping how im going to light up the joysticks. I originally was going to do them like Flynn's Arcade with 2 leds on each side. but im going to see if a modified pele ring would work just as well.

Bought a new router (lost the first one) and new hammer drill (old one died) and routed out the grooves i need to fit the acrylic ring and pele ring. once im finished with the buttons tests ill modify the pele ring.

item 3) ive started prototyping the Led t-moulding. i was able to find clear silicone which was really really cheap. hopefully it will allow for an even easier installation, repair and modification of the illuminated t-moulding. i used my new trim router to slot cut a groove which came out uneven (wasnt used to this new router, hopefully with practice it get better) 2nd attempt was near perfect. groove doesn't look deep enough however. so im on the hunt for another bit. deepest i can find is 1/2" hoping i can find one a little deeper.

item 4) I tried attaching one of the leg levelers to the dolly. In the build the dollies themselves would be attached to the base of the cabinet. i didnt have the correct drill for the T-nuts (which is huge) so i tried to use the trim router to drill... bad idea.. maybe my old lost plunge router wouldve done the trick.. anyway i kinda made a mess of the dolly lol luckily they are really cheap and ive got 6 of them (each can support 100kg/220 pounds

Item 5) one of the worst part i hate about any project, be it personal or for work, is naming the the damn thing. I've got a huge list of name that ive been hounding friends with. Pixel Playcade will do for now. and ive started work on the decals and side art.. but i need to lock down a name before ill lock down any artwork.

item 6) the cad files have been sent to diffenerent cnc services to get quotes. have only heard back from one so far.

and lastly, ill be away on holidays for 2 weekends and a week. so i wont be able to continue prototyping until i get back but hopefully, i can get more quotes. it will also give me time to write this build up properly
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 13, 2016, 10:25:59 pm
How the hell are people going to do the 80s Lean:


lol such a classic look. Great pics
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: reptileink on October 18, 2016, 09:02:23 pm
3 pages and not one cut made yet...... :dunno
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 18, 2016, 09:38:10 pm
80% of any project is planning. once i finish prototyping the illuminated joysticks ill have what i need to finish the cad files. I got a qoute im haply with so once thats sorted it will get cnc cut.. soo hopefully soon!! once i get back from my holidays
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 18, 2016, 10:03:46 pm
I think you and skmastaz should have a build race.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 19, 2016, 08:30:46 am
When I build something, it is more like 10 percent planning. I don't spend enough time planning, but I get projects done. Sometimes you just have to dive in and react to problems as they turn up.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: reptileink on October 19, 2016, 10:15:05 am
When I build something, it is more like 10 percent planning. I don't spend enough time planning, but I get projects done. Sometimes you just have to dive in and react to problems as they turn up.

 :applaud:

(http://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)

Planning is great, but it will never prepare you for everything. Roll up the sleeves, and get your hands dirty. Or maybe start a Project Thread when you actually START the project.  :dunno
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: markc74 on October 19, 2016, 11:33:26 am
Meh - I plan for ever and as soon as it comes to the build, half the things I plan for, i end up doing differently, and the things I didn't plan for turn out to be the most fun as I have to overcome them in 'real-time'.

I'm interested in seeing how this comes together. It's certainly not the cab I would go for but I can appreciate what you're doing and why. It's about time we had some crazy bling to offset all the serious cabarets and nintendo builds.  >:D
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 19, 2016, 12:27:26 pm
Unfortunately, nothing can come together until the sawdust starts flying.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 19, 2016, 12:37:48 pm
80% of any project is planning.

Bless. See you in 18 months at 783%
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2016, 01:08:07 pm
80% of any project is planning.

Bless. See you in 18 months at 783%
:cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2016, 01:10:30 pm
Actually, on this build, since he's having it cut for him, 80% probably IS planning...

I'm with Mark.  80% of my 80% never comes to fruition...
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 19, 2016, 01:23:22 pm
80% of any project is planning.

You designed this to be in an apartment? Do yourself a favor and mock this up with cardboard first...

If you're that serious about planning, take my advice, you will get a better understanding of the spacial footprint and "bulk" this will take up. Every project that takes this long to "plan" does a prototype first before production is started...

Also....4th page, I win!
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 19, 2016, 02:09:04 pm
Also....4th page, I win!

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 19, 2016, 02:13:12 pm
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e35/12934931_627526107398045_1983239356_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTIyODE2NjExMTUyODA4NDEzNQ%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 19, 2016, 05:31:22 pm
im really close to being done with the plans for the cut.
but im no where near done with the artwork/theme.

im wondering if i can add the art work later or should i really apply the artwork as im building it? would be a lot easier.. but i have no idea when ill be done.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 19, 2016, 06:07:05 pm
i think i really need help naming this build. i cant think of anything that really fits. without a name its really hard to come up with the artwork. not sure if asking the internet for help is the right move lol but i could use the help. i hate naming things.

ideally i think the name should represent how fun, overall emulation (retro and newer systems), Illumination, and could be the name of a game you would find at an arcade.

below are the names i have come up with and hounded my friends with lol. so far pixel playcade seems the most popular. believe it or not this is the short list.

pixel playcade
bit rush (name of song)
video game hero
pixel attack
digital daydream
timeout arcade
nostalgia hunter
arcade empire
highscore hunter
rom master
emulatron
credit cartel
credit king
the wayback when
nostalgia castle (from a game)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 19, 2016, 06:15:23 pm
i think i really need help naming this build.

The lumberjack
Sasquatch
Bigfoot
The widow-maker
The back breaker
The USS waterslide
dikembe mutombo
Neon Leon
radiance
luminosity*
polychromasia
Future so bright...gotta wear shades


(just realized these all sound like roller coaster rides...but then again...this machine is almost as tall as one)

*my serious suggestion :)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 19, 2016, 06:28:00 pm
Just steer clear of anything with "cade" or "retro" and you won't be judged as being tacky AF.  >:D

My suggestions:

Tower of Power
Eye of Sauron - you could put a big flaming eye at the top of this
Goliath's Tooth
The Missile
Glow Wyrm
Spire of Back Pain
The Northest Pole
The 4th Page

Ok I'm done. 
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: leapinlew on October 19, 2016, 08:15:13 pm
LOL @ The Northest Pole and Spire of Back Pain   :applaud:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 19, 2016, 10:42:14 pm
lol yeah i dont mind parody names, the more clever the better.

divorce tower etc lol
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 19, 2016, 10:45:19 pm
Ugh.... stay away from stuff like "Grounds For Divorce" or things like that. So lame.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 20, 2016, 07:25:37 am
VaporCADE? :dunno
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yamatetsu on October 20, 2016, 07:51:16 am
Arcadius.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: sealcouch on October 20, 2016, 10:42:41 am
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/large (http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/large)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 20, 2016, 01:00:40 pm
Subtlety
JustInCaseYouDidntSeeMe
ABuggerToDust
CanyaHearMeDownThere
HowBigsYours?

Alternatively:
Monolith
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 20, 2016, 01:06:43 pm
IMAX
Zaxxon Jr.

Ok, I'll show myself out now.  :)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 20, 2016, 01:38:28 pm
Bigly

 :lol
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 20, 2016, 01:49:21 pm
Bigly

Boom!  :applaud:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 20, 2016, 03:14:02 pm
"Hey Ya'll, Watch This!"
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 20, 2016, 04:30:12 pm
im wondering if i can add the art work later or should i really apply the art work as im building it? would be a lot easier.. but i have no idea when ill be done.

Artwork after it's assembled and mostly done, but before T-molding.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 20, 2016, 05:16:16 pm
Artwork after it's assembled and mostly done, but before T-molding.

Cool thanks, this means ill have to get the artwork done asap. I'm assuming the artwork should be applied after the wood is assembled but before the electronics.
if someone does a restore do they gut the electronics? with the TV installed, it would be annoying to add the artwork to the TV unit.

This naming thing is a super pain in the butt for me lol. To stop this from becoming something that never ends, I'll create a poll out of the best names I've got and the suggestions i like. so suggest away. all input is welcomed and appreciate the help.

I'll wait till Sunday to see what suggestions people have before creating the poll. I'll keep the poll alive till about Friday.
in the meantime, I'm going to get started on some generic artwork that could suit almost any name.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 20, 2016, 11:27:51 pm
Putasawtosomewoodcade  :applaud:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thomas_surles on October 20, 2016, 11:38:55 pm
Large marge
Acrophobia
Break neck
Gingerballs  ;D

I second "Neon Leon"






Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: opt2not on October 20, 2016, 11:43:34 pm
CNCYouOnPage5 :)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: PL1 on October 20, 2016, 11:55:29 pm
I second "Neon Leon"
Leon's getting larger. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cJmpwkUx4s#)


Scott
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: emphatic on October 21, 2016, 01:32:49 am
"NOT RETRO ENOUGH 4 U"
"WASTE OF SPACE AND MONEY"

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: RetroGreg on October 21, 2016, 02:07:51 am
Who Needs College
Don't LED Me Down
Rise and Shine
Sky's the Limit
PixelJunk Tower

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Aceldamor on October 21, 2016, 03:27:24 am
Since we're having fun with names:

Eiffelcade
Cirque Du Arcade
Neopolis
Gigantor
Gonna need a bigger boat
So I don't need my glasses
The Partition Wall
Size matters not
The compesator
Everest
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 21, 2016, 07:55:27 am
How about:

The Never Ending Story
This Thing is So Big I Have to Sleep OutsideCADE
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 08:42:48 am
since it looks like a monolith

2016: an arcade odyssey
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5618/30431138376_6f93a42168.jpg)(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5684/30432749386_4645365a8f.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 21, 2016, 09:38:34 am
No sir, as we are reaching page 5 and this started October the 2nd,  there is no way your finishing this in 2016.

Might wanna change that 2020: An innovative thought

(https://media.giphy.com/media/dWbOZZPbVP64o/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: vwalbridge on October 21, 2016, 10:24:19 am
I'm glad you have a sense of humor chito.  ;D

Other builders might have grabbed their ball and gone home.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: reptileink on October 21, 2016, 11:09:13 am
(http://pop.h-cdn.co/assets/15/51/480x240/landscape-1450404144-giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 11:11:19 am
I'm glad you have a sense of humor chito.  ;D

Other builders might have grabbed their ball and gone home.  :cheers:

lol yeah this is all about having fun. And while i want to create something that looks good and works well which sometimes comes off a bit serious. Im not above having fun at my own expense. Im a bit of a joker in real life
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 11:16:04 am
No sir, as we are reaching page 5 and this started October the 2nd,  there is no way your finishing this in 2016.

Might wanna change that 2020: An innovative thought

(https://media.giphy.com/media/dWbOZZPbVP64o/giphy.gif)

There are 3 blockers right now.

once the joystick solutions is done, i can finish the cad files
then i can order the cut,
at the same time ill try finish and order the artwork.
hopefully, both arrive around the same time.

the actual cutting and assembly will be quite quick (provided i dont stuff up the t-moulding). If i dont end up needed the money for other things then this could very well be done by end of this year.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: reptileink on October 21, 2016, 11:20:41 am
this could very well be done by end of this year.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41M2ilfzTWL._SY300_.jpg)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 11:30:57 am
this could very well be done by end of this year.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41M2ilfzTWL._SY300_.jpg)

lol that pic made me crack up. I dont have kids so its very do-able. but we will see.
I'm trying to get this as right as possible the first time around. I have a background in manufacturing and engineering which prob explains all the prep work and planning. But from experience (not with arcade builds) i expect there will be a version 1.5 or something. Which im really trying to avoid.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 12:24:07 pm
So while i wait for name suggestions to come in, I was hoping I could get help with the base for the pedestal.
here is the basic layout, and a better view with text removed

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5821/30434932076_5fef4a1e4b.jpg)(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5632/30384718681_af04068030.jpg)

I have the 16mm (0.6 inch) MDF base sitting on top of about 3-4 dollies that can each carry 100kg (220 pounds).

Using fusion 360 i was able to estimate the weight of the pedestal unit to be around 50 kgs (110 pounds). Im concerned that base that is holding all the weight of the control panel and its tower isnt strong enough. the design uses tabs and lips inserts in the same way that most "put it together yourself" kits do. These add some strength but are there more so that parts to line up and lock in effortlessly.

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5642/29841069474_d11e1d4f2a.jpg)

The tabs that interacts with the tower that will hold up the control panel should add extra strength. Stil I also plan to reinforce every butt joints with a lot blocks, nails, screws and glue. these aren't in the design as they will be added as needed when i assemble it. But no matter how much i reinforce the joints, if the MDF is too weak then its points less. It will break anyway.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5328/29840883364_c7f5a2433f.jpg)

So while doing my research, i saw builds where the base is really thick, and i wonder if my solution will be enough or it will break under the weight. should i use something stronger than MDF (maybe ply) for the base? I dont know if this is overkill as other cabinets I've looked at seem to have a really simple base. Also a pedestal cabinet won't have the weight of the TV or all the wood of a standup cabinet as well so it should reduce the load requirements of the base. 

Does anyone have any advice?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 21, 2016, 01:03:28 pm
since it looks like a monolith
2016: an arcade odyssey

"My god, it's full of stars....."

I've changed my mind. Change I change my serious suggestion from "Monolith" to:

BigMo**erF***ingBa***rd

?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 21, 2016, 02:05:30 pm
I don't see an airflow plan in that base.  Kinda important.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: smass on October 21, 2016, 03:40:50 pm
In the immortal words of General George S. Patton:

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week" :)

(page 5 ftw)

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 06:02:07 pm
I don't see an airflow plan in that base.  Kinda important.

Good spot. about that. there kinda is, its just not in the plans. so while designing this i was putting all these holes for cables, fans etc but i figured it could be done as its assembled. that way you're not forced to use holes that wouldve been better on the other side
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 21, 2016, 06:10:08 pm
In the immortal words of General George S. Patton:

"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week" :)

(page 5 ftw)

i dont have unlimited resources to make mistakes and redo if need be. but i get the hint, even though im worried about the base as mentioned before, i think ill just go for it once i sort out the joysticks. i think it should be ok. if anyone can spot some obvious problems that would be great.

ps please keep the name suggestions coming
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Speed Racer on October 23, 2016, 05:33:09 pm
This naming thing is a super pain in the butt for me lol. To stop this from becoming something that never ends, I'll create a poll out of the best names I've got and the suggestions i like. so suggest away. all input is welcomed and appreciate the help.

I'll wait till Sunday to see what suggestions people have before creating the poll. I'll keep the poll alive till about Friday.
in the meantime, I'm going to get started on some generic artwork that could suit almost any name.

Asking the internet to name something by poll??

"Cadey McCadeface"  ;D
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on October 23, 2016, 09:07:00 pm
The name should be

Vertigo

I think that's the winner!
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 23, 2016, 11:56:07 pm
Asking the internet to name something by poll??

more like asking the internet for ideas. In the end Ill pick the name. Ive created the poll with the "short" list of names ive collected that i think might match this build. I want to see how well it these name sit with people. On that note please vote for your favorite name here:
Poll (https://goo.gl/hchdjk) (You can select multiple answers but the less the better)

Background
when I started this project i had a name picked out: "retro master"
I even had 2 versions of the logo for use in different places

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5724/29895943823_87de5481bd.jpg)

but as the project progressed and i started adding systems, and also because of how modern the cabinet looked, i thought the name retro master didnt fit anymore :(
but maybe if i use a very modern looking logo it might? i dont know... here is a concept of a more modern looking logo.

(https://c6.staticflickr.com/9/8661/30441411381_ce98ce5b9e.jpg)

i would greatly appreciate people's opinions and votes. retro master is on the list, thats my personal fav. if you think it works please vote for it
Poll (https://goo.gl/hchdjk)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 24, 2016, 01:25:54 am
The first one with the triangle looks badass. The last one looks like a bad 90s e-commerce banner.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: chito on October 24, 2016, 02:27:25 am
The first one with the triangle looks badass. The last one looks like a bad 90s e-commerce banner.

yeah its very corporate-ish, i made it in a few minutes just to test ideas. the first 2 have been worked on a lot longer. if i were to use the any name with the word retro in it, i think the logo would have to be more modern looking... to match the cab. i have other ideas to play around with to make the words more fun and game looking.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 24, 2016, 05:42:24 am
I'd maybe leave the graphics until you've chosen the title, unless you're just wanting to pass the time...

Or unless you've already chosen the title ;)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 24, 2016, 07:39:53 am
yeah i was just playing with ideas.exploring whats possible and what sticks to the wall. No name picked yet. still need plenty of help on this one
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BadMouth on October 24, 2016, 01:26:27 pm
(scrolled, didn't see sawdust, moved on)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on October 24, 2016, 03:45:16 pm
I don't see an airflow plan in that base.  Kinda important.

I don't see one in the monitor box either.

turning a TV meant for horizontal use... vertical... renders all the convection cooling designed in the back useless. all the heatsinks are arranged vertically so convection sucks cold air in the bottom and out the top. it's not arranged properly if turned 90 degrees. you will need to fan force air through the TV.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 24, 2016, 05:37:55 pm
Rotate the heat sinks, drill some speed holes in the side of the TV, good to go.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 25, 2016, 05:33:02 am
turning a TV meant for horizontal use... vertical... renders all the convection cooling designed in the back useless. all the heatsinks are arranged vertically so convection sucks cold air in the bottom and out the top. it's not arranged properly if turned 90 degrees. you will need to fan force air through the TV.

I can see the logic and it sounds plausible to me, but there's quite a few commercial mounting products explicitly for hanging LCD TVs in portrait orientation, which don't seem to carry any warnings or include fan kits.  Vpins and cocktails should be a significantly worse case if this is an issue, I'd think.  Interesting to contemplate.

I'd imagine backlight type would probably make a difference.  The panels I've got with fluorescent tube backlights put out more heat than the ones with LEDs.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 25, 2016, 06:29:47 am
My name submission "The NeverEnding Story" may not be the best name, but it is the most accurate.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 25, 2016, 08:56:57 am
My name submission "The NeverEnding Story" may not be the best name, but it is the most accurate.
Holy ---fudgesicle---, you win today! :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on October 25, 2016, 09:42:56 am
Hmm... Neverending Story..... glue some shag carpet to the sides of it and make Limahl-cade.

(https://i.sli.mg/938m8K.jpg)

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 25, 2016, 10:21:55 am
My name submission "The NeverEnding Story" may not be the best name, but it is the most accurate.

lol i knew why you suggested it. this cracked me up still! maybe i should make this the project name. really close to been done with the plans. control panel is all thats left,
button layout is done. just joystick illumination solution pending.

Poll Update
So on the poll there are 2 names that tied first place so far. Keep the votes coming, then i can sort out the artwork.
vote here https://goo.gl/hchdjk (https://goo.gl/hchdjk)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 25, 2016, 10:33:07 am
I am glad you have a good sense of humor about things. A joke is best when it can be enjoyed by the subject as well as everyone else. :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 27, 2016, 08:44:10 pm
Poll Update
So there is a clear front runner now. Please keep the votes coming in as i will close the poll this sunday.
To vote please link on this link https://goo.gl/hchdjk (https://goo.gl/hchdjk)

Other Updates
I stayed up to 2am again last night fixing my place. (had carpet replaced in the home and had to move so much around) Good news its all done finally and this weekend ill get back to finishing off the designs for the control panel.

Ive also been finishing off another build called the Brocade (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,151826.msg1588747.html#msg1588747). which im creating graphics and photos for
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 28, 2016, 07:48:55 am
None of my submissions made the poll.  :'(

I worked really hard on those.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 30, 2016, 05:23:45 am
None of my submissions made the poll.  :'(

I worked really hard on those.

I appreciate the help Mike A. In all i collected a list of about 60 names including some not mentioned in this thread, I selected the short list of names that i thought suited the build and that I could work with (theme/artwork/logo etc).
On that note I want to thank everyone for their input, suggestions, heckling and for voting. As i mentioned before naming is the part i hate the most of any project. Ill be closing the poll soon. there are 2 names that are neck and neck.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 30, 2016, 05:36:54 am
Illuminated t-moulding prototype update

i found and bought a new router bit and it worked out great. Here are the results. Note that the photos make the light look more intense than they were in real life. I only had a phone camera and couldnt adjust the metering or exposure setting. in person its a nicer overall pleasant light. I think this came out better in the video
Video is here https://youtu.be/6wLmb9l9fgU (https://youtu.be/6wLmb9l9fgU) (dont know why but there seems to be a glitch with the video)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5567/30657763625_d5f15ffe3f.jpg)(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5609/30026502984_fb3847a29e.jpg)(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5663/30569725551_aa32d93414.jpg)(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5548/30569723891_c06bafb661.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5668/30026488204_c94ae7da01.jpg)(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5482/30024243933_3318d2b706.jpg)

outcomes

Last chance to vote on the name for the build. Closing poll within the next 12 hrs
Vote here (https://goo.gl/hchdjk)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thomas_surles on October 30, 2016, 07:44:04 am
It's nice to see a vision come to life. Weather we agree or disagree on this build, I can guarantee everyone here wants to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: menace on October 30, 2016, 10:25:17 am
Admittedly I didn't read all 5 pages but nothing has been cut yet except t-molding??  It looks nice by the way--awfully labour intensive but so is child birth I guess :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on October 30, 2016, 10:47:01 am
Yeah thats the office joke, wood or it didnt happen.

The only problems, i see is make sure your silicon doesnt yellow, if for some reason you leave that thing on a long time, and those things get hot enough, it will burn and yellow.

And your removing alot of the edge stability, not sure how your gonna put that together but your supports are gonna have to be pretty deep on your panels and you can lean those things on an edge or hit anything on any of those edges, or its gonna break.

Set silicon isnt as dense mdf, and sometime tmoulding has an issue staying in mdf slots.  You might have an issue with your moulding curling up and not being flush along all your edges.

Seems like a lot of work with alot of variables to totally ruin a piece and have to start over, however, I hope you successfully pull it off.  Just make sure your open your eyes to the engineering of the total build while focusing on your effect, they could effect the stability and durability of your cab.

Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 30, 2016, 10:52:43 am
That's a really cool effect. Would love to hear in time the details around the build realities of it, such as whether you can use shallower channels for the silicone (at the depth - potentially a hell of a lot of silicone!) and the current draw of long lengths. Following with interest.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: BadMouth on October 30, 2016, 12:18:41 pm
Looks better than many have achieved. 

I'd like to see you you experiment with painting the edges of the MDF white or silver.  I wonder if it would lighten up the edges of the t-molding. 

Also curious if scuffing the backside would get more light to the edges or just screw it up.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 30, 2016, 02:30:12 pm
Nice.  That proof of concept looks like it'll work!  Good diffusion, looks smooth.

I'm not a fan of the redemption machine style you are aiming to evoke, but I've got to admit you are doing a great job of it.  Props for making some sawdust, and for good execution.

It's interesting to me - there had been some conjecture around here that the demise of arcades in the form we knew them in what we thought of as the golden age would eventually lead to the demise of this hobby as time passed and demographics shifted, because nobody - we assumed - would be nostalgic for redemption machines.  Seems we're wrong.  That's kinda cool!
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: csephiroth on October 30, 2016, 02:45:34 pm
My advice on leds. Don't buy cheap ones.  Not sure where or if you got yours yet. Superbrightleds.com has really good stuff.

I have used them and the cheap ones on ebay at work. I use them to light an area on a die cutting machine. The Superbright ones have been used daily for 16 hours or more a day for the past 4 years and are just as bright now as they were when I got them. We have gone through 3 sets of the cheap eBay ones on another machine that is used less than the main one.


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Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on October 30, 2016, 03:07:54 pm
The effect is pretty good, but I'm with Rablack97 on the integrity of the sides.  By thinning them so much,  you've really weakened them. One good pop and it'll break. Good thing you're still in the proto stage! :cheers:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on October 30, 2016, 03:17:49 pm
If there weren't any curves, I might suggest cutting the MDF to a simple edge, sourcing aluminum extrusion C channel that is the same exterior width as the MDF thickness, screwing it down every so often through the bottom of the channel into the side of the MDF, then doing the LED/silicone/T-molding stack inside the channel.  Hide the MDF-aluminum seam on the side with filler and sanding.

But, that wouldn't turn smooth radiused corners gracefully.

So instead, I'll suggest sacrificial testing on one of your test pieces.  Find out, how much does it actually take to break that thin lip?  And then see if that worries you.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 30, 2016, 03:44:26 pm
I can see the concerns around the thinking of the cabinet edges. How about using something other than silicone? There must be other materials available that dry harder and will preserve the density of the mdf? Some kind of plastic?

Not up on LED strips - what happens if one goes - do they all go?

Lastly - what about bevelling the edges of the sides at the top by 45degrees? (hard to explain that) - might help with the drop-off that's obvious at the edges of the T-molding.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 30, 2016, 06:08:03 pm
there seems to be alot of concern about the strength of the lips created by the slot. and in one of my earlier failed attempts a good wack did break it. but i mean a good solid wack. it was also a lot thinner than the one i used in the photos. About half the thickness. this was one of the pros with the epoxy, it drys really solid and hard. but in general im not to concerned about it breaking the lips, its still pretty solid. But... there is one area where its expose the lid to alot of potential damage... at the bottom where people could accidentally kick it.

possible solutions:

out of the 2 solutions, the 2nd sheet of wood would be the cheapest and the least amount of work. and i could use a thinner sheet of mdf. could even use the 2 sheets to hide cables with hidden channels in between the sheets.

you can get a better view of the cabinet on this youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JcqWt12DU)

The timberman machine isnt available here in Australia yet. It was actually hard to even notice that there are in fact 2 sheets. could someone please do me a mad solid and maybe getting a photo so i can see the offset size? if possible could someone also get a look at the base? in particular how they put the screen section on castor wheels. I've got a copy of the manual (which you can get from the magicplay site) and while it mentions the castor wheels it doesnt show how they are attached. it doesnt make sense to me
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on October 30, 2016, 06:42:13 pm
ideally, you wouldn't use a conventional homeless despot 1hp router to do this. you'd use a great big 3.5 or 4hp commercial type router with the power to do it in one fell swoop.

you'd also have it mounted in a table and you'd move your piece through the tool.

looks great though.  :applaud:
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 30, 2016, 07:48:30 pm
Not up on LED strips - what happens if one goes - do they all go?
The Leds are wired in parallel, which is why you can cut the strip and the lights still work. So if one fails the others will still work but may have a dip in brightness where the down led is, the light is well diffused so that will help.

ideally, you wouldn't use a conventional homeless despot 1hp router to do this. you'd use a great big 3.5 or 4hp commercial type router with the power to do it in one fell swoop.

you'd also have it mounted in a table and you'd move your piece through the tool.
Yeah, as mentioned I'll need access to a table router, so I'll probably need the slot cut out by a cabinet maker. the Trim router is good for normal t-moulding slots but this router bit is a bit harder to use. At least if i still had the plunge router it would've made things easier

The only problems, i see is make sure your silicon doesnt yellow, if for some reason you leave that thing on a long time, and those things get hot enough, it will burn and yellow.

Set silicon isnt as dense mdf, and sometime tmoulding has an issue staying in mdf slots.  You might have an issue with your moulding curling up and not being flush along all your edges.
The silicone i bought has on the packet that its heat resistant, this is a feature i made sure it had (not all do, in fact, some are highly flammable). If it can last a few years then great. It seems easy enough to replace just annoying lol. This is a great point and something ill have to wait and see what happens

poll update
Thank you to everyone who voted, the poll is now closed. There were 2 names that were the definite favourites. and while the tied a few times there was one name that was usually ahead and in the end had the most votes. And its a name im happy to work with.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on October 31, 2016, 06:57:04 am
I am very disappointed that you are not using "The NeverEnding Story". It is the perfect name.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on October 31, 2016, 01:09:52 pm
Not up on LED strips - what happens if one goes - do they all go?

the RGB LED strips (5050 style in particular) are done in batches of 3 LED's in series with multiple sets of 3 in parallel. (makes for easy cutting to length) if you do have one LED go, it takes out the 2 others in that series, but the remaining sets continue to light. All you end up with is an oddly colored (in the case of a mixed color or dead section (in the case of a single color).

a quality LED strip doesn't normally suffer from these types of failures though. it can still happen. if it does, you can cut out the affected section and "splice" in a new one.... although in  this instance, it could be quite difficult since it's basically encased in silicone...you'd have to rip it all out and start fresh.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 31, 2016, 01:56:18 pm
I am very disappointed that you are not using "The NeverEnding Story". It is the perfect name.

It is certainly very apropos. Even the the winning cab name is getting a build up, although I've heard there will shortly be an announcement about when the announcment will be made. Maybe we should have poll to decide the best day to deliver said announcement on.

Only teasin chito, although I do think you should work in the film trailers industry.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on October 31, 2016, 07:23:04 pm
I am very disappointed that you are not using "The NeverEnding Story". It is the perfect name.

It is certainly very apropos. Even the the winning cab name is getting a build up, although I've heard there will shortly be an announcement about when the announcment will be made. Maybe we should have poll to decide the best day to deliver said announcement on.

Only teasin chito, although I do think you should work in the film trailers industry.
Well said my friend.

At the rate it's going, instead of calling it The Neverending Story, we could take a hint from Shakespeare and call it Much Ado About Nothing. :-)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 31, 2016, 07:55:20 pm
sorry about that. i often write up these posts while at work and sometimes im in a rush. totally forgot to announce the winning name, but the thought of having a reveal with artwork did cross my mind. But seeing as how that could be a while here goes

Poll results

there was a pretty good spread of votes across most names with 2 names being the most popular

and with a whooping 27%

Vertigo

is the runner up lol
the winning name with 31% is Monolith courtesy of stigzler, cheers mate
logo and artwork to follow soon (hopefully)

I will make working on the cad files a priority so i can get the wood cut as soon as possible. but im glad i waited as ive ended up finding a few errors when i created the screen shot for the post about the base and now because of the illuminated t-moulding i need to create more pieces
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 31, 2016, 08:22:25 pm
It's interesting to me - there had been some conjecture around here that the demise of arcades in the form we knew them in what we thought of as the golden age would eventually lead to the demise of this hobby as time passed and demographics shifted, because nobody - we assumed - would be nostalgic for redemption machines.  Seems we're wrong.  That's kinda cool!

basing this build on redemption machine was more out of need. i knew i wanted to use a vertical screen becasue of the way it solves the issue of instruction cards, marquees and bezels. it just so happened that the new redemption machines use the same format and after looking around and doing some research i was able to get alot of ideas.

have you seen the new galaga and pac man redemption machines? they look great and i love the way they were able to bring new life into these games. if you think about it classic games which are highscore based are perfect for redemption machines.

becuase this wasnt a restoration or a dedicated cabinet im more free to experiment. things are always going to change, like when crts got replaced with lcds. new tools bring new solutions.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on October 31, 2016, 08:41:17 pm
I love that you are trying something different.  It is nice to see some R&D around here again.  :cheers:

You should give EL Tape another look.  You shouldn't have to route your slot nearly that deep because diffusing will not be an issue.

Illuminated t-moulding prototype update

i found and bought a new router bit and it worked out great. Here are the results. Note that the photos make the light look more intense than they were in real life. I only had a phone camera and couldnt adjust the metering or exposure setting. in person its a nicer overall pleasant light. I think this came out better in the video
Video is here https://youtu.be/6wLmb9l9fgU (https://youtu.be/6wLmb9l9fgU) (dont know why but there seems to be a glitch with the video)

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5567/30657763625_d5f15ffe3f.jpg)(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5609/30026502984_fb3847a29e.jpg)(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5663/30569725551_aa32d93414.jpg)(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5548/30569723891_c06bafb661.jpg)(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5668/30026488204_c94ae7da01.jpg)(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5482/30024243933_3318d2b706.jpg)

outcomes
  • The silicone wasnt as clear as i thought it was going to be, but i think that worked to my advantage. There was crystal clear silicone at the hardware store but it was 4-5 times more expensive. This translucent white spreads the light really well
  • did the extra depth help? unsure. May need to explore this later, but im gussing it did as the 10mm depth was to close and wouldn't have spread the light as well. Theres even the chance you wouldve seen the dreaded dot look if the LEDs were to close to the t-moulding
  • The T-moulding was added while the silicone was wet, hence the elastic bands, I have another test drying and im going to test if i can cut a slot in silicone after it has set to add the t-moulding. I think a craft knife will work well as the silicone it very flexible and a thin cut will be enough instead of the normal 3/32 slot for t-moulding
  • The silicone is really messy to work with and would definitely need to be added before the artwork and will need some sanding afterwards. this is why a have the 2nd test to see how easy it is to add t-moulding to set silicone
  • removal of the silicone from the grove along with the t-moulding is heaps heaps easy. repairs wont be an issue
  • worst outcome of all... its really hard to get use the trim router to route out the slot. The bit is only 6.4mm (1/4 inch) and needs 2 passes to get the 10mm (2/5 inch) slot. I may need to find a table router or a cabinet maker who could cut out the slots.... or get new parts made every time i stuff it up lol. Took me 5 attempts to make the one used in the photos

Last chance to vote on the name for the build. Closing poll within the next 12 hrs
Vote here (https://goo.gl/hchdjk)
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on November 01, 2016, 08:52:45 am
I've done a little research on this, and for him to do EL tape it would be highly expensive, there is a EL tape that you can get w/o the center line, but from what I've read its not as bright.

The life span of EL tape is around 10,000 hours way less than leds, plus with LEDs he can also change the color if he wanted too.

The runs on this things would require a pretty heft power supply, guesstimated cost would be close to 700-800 to light it up, I was thinking of lighting up the edges on the backbox for my vpin project and the cost was right at around 400.00.

This is a bold move no doubt, long term maintenance and cost would be high on my do I want to really do this list. 
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pixelObsession on November 04, 2016, 08:46:21 pm
Have you considered using a thinner stock mdf and laminating some 1/4" or 1/8" ply to each side extending past the edges rather than milling your T-molding groove?


Interesting build!  looking forward to seeing more.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 05, 2016, 03:58:56 am
when i first started i did but it wouldve cost more to get 3 parts cut to make up each side.

Now since i need to cut 2 per side and a slot it might be worth looking into.

still i think cutting 2 sheets the way i mentioned before will offer more protection and be cheaper
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 05, 2016, 07:20:17 am
Monolith's a rubbish name. What muppet suggested that!?
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 05, 2016, 08:55:05 am
Monolith's a rubbish name. What muppet suggested that!?

lol thanks mate. full credits to the whoever that guy is.

posts and credits updated
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 05, 2016, 12:25:43 pm
Nice one. Do I get a prize?  ::)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: darthcommanderman on November 05, 2016, 12:46:41 pm
Pixel Play Castle!

A new title reigns over Monolith.

Or..  I have to say it..

Castle PlaySkull.

#nailedit!!!

Build your OWN arcade controls!

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 05, 2016, 03:40:00 pm
This cabinet is the Kim Kardashian of new builds. People are clearly talking about it, but no one's really sure why.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 05, 2016, 03:40:18 pm
Oh, there should be a smiley after that post.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: chito on November 05, 2016, 05:55:30 pm
This cabinet is the Kim Kardashian of new builds. People are clearly talking about it, but no one's really sure why.

aw you just want to see photos of my wood bits lol. coming soon.

im participating in a retro gamers market here in my city. ive got a lot to prepare for that and I've had a lot on this week, which has limited my time to work on this build. but every free moment i have is going into this. i will get the wood cut within the next 2 weeks because im hating how long it already has been since i started this build. no matter what the sate of the designs ill get it cut soon and make ammendments as i need them later
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on November 05, 2016, 06:20:47 pm
(https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.Mec2d36567d2fe39ab56c577ee983e964o2&pid=15.1&P=0&w=298&h=168)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on November 06, 2016, 10:20:27 pm
I think we need a poll to determine the date sawdust will fly.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 07, 2016, 03:08:50 am
Im not sure we do. Lets take a vote on it...
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on November 07, 2016, 06:02:22 am
Let's table that discussion and reconvene in two weeks.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 07, 2016, 06:38:36 am
So i have some good news...

Ive finally finished the designs today (while at work, If my boss is reading this please dont fire me). I say finished but are they ever really ever going to be finished? who knows. But they are good enough to be cut!! I worked on them whenever i could and added the changes from the prototypes and finished off the control panel.

(https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5669/30720085372_968af05c52.jpg)(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5507/30720085472_540819ae94.jpg)(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5631/30201430463_b378b52c29.jpg)

i know right. what a mess. Didnt end up prototyping the pele ring solution for the joysticks so i ended up using ChanceKJ solution used on Flyn's Arcade. Also sent out emails to the guys that are going to cnc it to find out how they need the files for some of the trickier bits to machine. Got an answer almost right away so tomorrow or later today ill sort that out. Good thing its pay day is in 2 days... just in time.

there are still some lingering issues but i can work them out later including where to put the mounted usb ports and where to put the control pod for the audio. Im using the logitech Z533 and it has a nice control pod that i think ill just mount on the underside of the control panel somewhere so its out of sight

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5600/30799532026_088c255786.jpg)

I also suspect that the cables that come with the Z533 might not be long enough to place the speakers and control pod where i want them.

So i figure ill deal with these issues when the come up. I'd rather not cut wired or mod them but i may have to, there's always a solution
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 07, 2016, 07:27:32 am
Are the cnc guys gonna post some pics?

In all seriousness, kudos for going the 3rd party cnc route. Couldn't think of anything more anxiety provoking than signing off on a 'final' car file.

I wouldn't worry about extending audio cables... Will be a cinch.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 07, 2016, 08:35:53 am
yeah you want to make sure you got it right. If i had one at home maybe I could cut the pieces out as i needed them and make amendments as i go. well the good thing about cad (dxf) files is that the cab now becomes reproducible, can be easily adjusted for any wood thickness, highly accurate and easily changed.

so whats next

Artwork update
So ive searched and collected many samples for a mood board. But the more I look at the cab the more i think it looks better as just plain black. I will however, create a control panel overlay and will definitely create a logo (which has its own mood board).
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 07, 2016, 01:10:29 pm
A Black Polished Granite veneer?

Guess "monolith" restricts your colour palette a bit.. You can use black, black or black.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 08, 2016, 11:49:02 am
If it ever floods in your area, you can tip the cabinet on its back, and use the control panel for a hydrofoil wing. You'd be the envy of the whole block.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 23, 2016, 09:55:31 pm
Update

So its been about 2 weeks since the last post. Thought I would update on the status of this build.

CNC wood cutting
The service who is cutting out the wood for this build, have told me that they are swamped being the end of year and all. In order to get a more accurate quote without the backwards and forwards, he wants me to come into his workshop and go through the build and options available to me.

This delay suits me as I need to get the artwork sorted at the same time as the cut so I can apply the art while I build it.

Artwork
So it was hard to come up with artwork when this build looks a lot like the monolith from 2001: a space odyssey, which was just a plain black slab. But It feels really lazy to just leave as a plain black slab. So I searched and searched around for ideas. I remembered that there are ancient monoliths in Bolivia at a site called Tiawanaku (tiahuanaco). They contain imaginary and are devoted to the sun god INTI.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5599/31061285702_4fe2146de3.jpg) (https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5485/30397517103_0c31744312.jpg) (https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5473/31061285492_e05cc76cc6.jpg)

Seeing as how this will light up and be bright like the sun lol i thought its a good angle. So i spent quite a lot of time (more than i should've) on some concepts. Artwork on the control panel and side is by El-Grimlock (http://el-grimlock.deviantart.com/).

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5462/30383328394_92dfd7c07a.jpg) (https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5602/31205262175_c22edbe893.jpg)
(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5750/31168883926_a7c803e5b0.jpg) (https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5454/30397504603_8c3516c04f.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5690/30397461513_7a4d34ed57.jpg)

Anyway ill will try out some other ideas as well but this is all I've got for now. Its a start.

Trip
The fact that the CNC workshop is swamped and that I don't have the artwork ready (which I don't want to rush) along with the fact that I have a holiday in late Jan/Feb that I haven't saved enough for, means ill have to park this build for a bit. I'll be taking my time working on the art till I'm ready to throw money at this build again.

I've already spent about $2.5K on the following
MAME CDs
TV stand
ipac ultimate
keybaord + mouse
Mame HD
Arcade Cab (need to sell)
Cab delivery 
ultimate wiring 
Microcoin QL
speakers
55" TV
Infrared toy
LEDs 5V 5050
LEDS 12V 5050
Camlock
t-moulding samples
Acrylic tube
Groovy gear - test parts
Arcade Paradise - test parts

Still need to Pay for which i estimate at another ($1.5k)
Cnc + materials
Artwork print
buttons + joysticks
t-moulding
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 23, 2016, 10:21:05 pm
Holy crap. 4k?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on November 23, 2016, 10:31:36 pm
(http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7876/3296/320/Airplane!.7.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on November 23, 2016, 10:34:48 pm
6 pages no wood, and 4K worth of parts.....

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/54841861.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: chito on November 23, 2016, 11:20:07 pm
Holy crap. 4k?

There's a reason the project name is "go for broke". I knew it would cost a bit. just keep in mind that it's not US dollars. converted its about $2950 USD. Also some products just cost differently in AUS compared to US, for example, the iphone 7 plus is $1,269 AUD where in the US its $769 USD. converted it should be $1043 AUD but its not.

one of the things that was hugely expensive was the delivery from Paradise Arcade. it was like $50 delivery for a button and a few wires.

All hobbies cost money, and im enjoying the process.. i dont mind the cost (it was anticipated, although not this much lol), as long as it doesn't get in the way of other plans. And atm I need to save for my holiday.


6 pages no wood, and 4K worth of parts.....
I know, Im really keen to get the wood and start putting it together. guess it will have to wait for a bit now
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 23, 2016, 11:21:20 pm
I DO forget you're in Australia, bro.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on November 24, 2016, 12:37:21 am
I DO forget you're in Australia, bro.

The Microcoin QL should have been a giveaway he's not from North America. The Microcoin QL is an Australian made acceptor.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 24, 2016, 06:18:05 am
I like the artwork. The only thing for me is the colour of the fascias. I'm not sure 'sandstone' matches the other artwork. I wouldn't worry too much about the colour - your Aztec (?) symbols relay the idea of that sufficiently enough without having to make it obvious via 'sandstone' Dunno why, but I'd go with a dark reddish/brown/maroon for the fascia. However, I am a man and thus, do not do colour.

Alternatively, you could spend another $4000 and commission a sculptor to carve it out of sandstone for you? That'd save a little on the CNC costs?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 24, 2016, 08:21:48 am
oh yeah it totally clashes. its just the artwork came like that, i did some basic edits to make it fit. It was just enough to see if that design could work (final version would have more coordinated colours). The artist who made those images does take commissions so getting something that matched the style and colours would be do-able
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: ArcticPangolin on November 24, 2016, 09:01:13 pm
6 pages no wood, and 4K worth of parts.....
To be fair, most of those pages are telling chito that he's wrong.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on November 25, 2016, 07:30:26 am
To be fair, most of those people know their stuff.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 25, 2016, 09:30:48 am
So a few people have expressed their concerns.. its too tall, dont use LEDs like that, cut wood! etc lol. Some of these are technical and some a matter of taste.

If I don't know something I put my hand up and ask for advice. And so far I feel I've got the technical challenges sorted out. I know there will be more once I start putting it together, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. Not sure what exactly I'm "wrong" about but if its a question of taste then that's subjective and per each individual to decide. I'm doing something new/not often done here so of course it's going to skew some people and that's cool.

Once this is done and up and running, I know it will look great (maybe not in my apartment though lol). If it wasn't for the holiday I have coming up, I would've had the building part well underway by now. I think that's when people will really see.

I like the artwork. The only thing for me is the colour of the fascias. I'm not sure 'sandstone' matches the other artwork. I wouldn't worry too much about the colour - your Aztec (?) symbols relay the idea of that sufficiently enough without having to make it obvious via 'sandstone' Dunno why, but I'd go with a dark reddish/brown/maroon for the fascia. However, I am a man and thus, do not do colour.

The stone colour was to make it look more ancient monolithic I guess. I edited the colours so the dont clash as much for an updated version of this first concept. looks a little lifeless but I think ill leave this concept there for now and start on some other ideas

(https://c4.staticflickr.com/6/5793/30424615043_18e7ed3394.jpg)

And as you said, the symbols are enough to convey "ancient monolith" and had a mood board already for the next concept. I was going to move away from the "accurate" stone colours and just make it look cooler and more like an arcade/game. The following are samples (from Darksiders II concept art) I collected for what I'll go for as a 2nd concept. That is, still ancient stone monolith but way more stylised.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5646/31197056366_19f34144c0.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5684/30865007640_4fa515fc1b.jpg) (https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5638/30865007860_d5bb61fdf9.jpg) (https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5483/31118377021_4c37bf7ce1.jpg) (https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5494/30865008190_d9290e246f.jpg) (https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5652/31197057796_d6a71922b4.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5612/30865009370_b20dc60fb5.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5511/31197058346_cd3213bfea.jpg) (https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5714/31197734236_b3b199d2a3.jpg)

Im also collecting samples for a 3 concept which will be more like ancient meets futuristic... examples would be the temples of Juno in assassins creed, the towers and structures in Halo 4

(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5812/30865448970_ea4118c35d.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5657/30411958984_876dcd82f7.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5740/30865446770_fcce5a1e80.jpg) (https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5826/30411964094_f02c91e412.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on November 25, 2016, 11:27:50 am
I think this is going to be awesome.... I can't wait to see this thing together!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on November 25, 2016, 11:31:36 am
I think this is an amitious undertaking, I hope he pulls it off.  I wouldn't say this is new, cause others before this build have built monsters as well.

If you have the jack, the time, and the patience to get into this hobby, then go all out if you want too.  However the softies should know the cardinal rule, dont post your project if you dont want people to comment.

Once you post your skin better get thick quick.  I respect this man's ambition, do i agree with everything no, but I'm not looking for Mr. Chito to give a rat's ass either.

Think of this as pessimistic / optimistic members that will bring every flaw every and or accomplishment to the table so the builder can see the big picture through multiple suggestions.  Threads like this work in your favor if you ignore the jokes, (and yes they are jokes) glean the good stuff and continue down your own build path.

So for sure your gonna get more 110th page, no wood, too big, why? comments, thing is we keep coming back to see what you've posted, so you must be doing something right.

Now for the comment....

WAIT?  YOUR PUTTING THIS THING IN AN APARTMENT??? WHYYYYYYYYY, YOU WONT BE ABLE TO ENJOY SOUND OF THIS BEAST YOUR NEIGHBORS WONT HAVE IT   :whap
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: n3wt0n on November 25, 2016, 03:25:08 pm
I'm digging that new beige artwork because its more cohesive across the entire cabinet and makes the lit molding really pop! Some of that concept art is really cool.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 25, 2016, 03:55:45 pm
Ah - see, this is where personal taste comes in.. I hate the beige - I'd drop it entirely - it looks too much like a hospital from 1972 (specifically - in 1973 they added brown stripes).

However, I am digging the neo-aztecian images below that sea of beige - I'd say go for gold and be bold - slap those badboys onto you facia and sidepanel art. It looks like your display's going to be a hotch-potch anyway, so any worries about clashing is out the window. Those characters/icons turned into vectors and printed in ultra hi-def vinyl would look awesome.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 26, 2016, 03:50:41 am
Sorry my bad, that price actually included a LAI cabinet I bought (that im trying to sell). so take off $560.

So some items were expensive and sure i could've gone for cheaper parts, but I decided i would go all out for this build. Big Tv, 4 player, wow factor.

For example, the coin mech: sure I could've gone for a basic mechanical $20 coin mech. But instead, I decided on the Microcoin QL which is an electronic coin validator that can take up to 6 different coins/tokens. It also can be programmed to pulse a credit every 60 cents or 2 credits for $1 which is the way it was in AUS when I was growing up and I wanted that. I also have an older microcoin S6 which can do more.

PS here is a vid by Johns Arcade where he visits Raw Trills, the only company left making commercial arcade machines in the US. You'll notice that a lot of the newer games are vertical, have LED t-moulding and lots of lights. he also does a tour of 257 arcade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8XK-asHoQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN8XK-asHoQ)

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: BadMouth on November 26, 2016, 07:04:47 am
I didn't see any arcade games at Raw Thrills, just redemption machines and some kiddie rides pretending to be arcade racing games.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on November 26, 2016, 12:43:06 pm
Wow, good thing I don't collect newer Raw Thrills games....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: s_busby_uk on November 26, 2016, 01:36:31 pm
I called my cabinet Monolith because it's all black and imposing, like the thing in 2001 Space Odyssey. So good name choice!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 26, 2016, 01:53:11 pm
This too started out as a large black imposing object. However, my money's on it finishing as a pink mini bartop called Tim.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: yotsuya on November 26, 2016, 02:34:08 pm
This too started out as a large black imposing object. However, my money's on it finishing as a pink mini bartop called Tim.

:cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on November 27, 2016, 01:11:21 am
Ahem... that was my next build... well there goes the big reveal i had planned

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/6/5710/31151976511_9c587090cb.jpg)

Also Ive been seeing these around shopping centers and train stations. Monolith version 2? lol they are commercial screens and as far as I know they are quite expensive.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5524/31151886081_d0101c6bf1.jpg) (https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5607/30898887350_8c6c96ee5f.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on November 27, 2016, 06:11:57 am
Ha! Kudos to you. Good sport.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on December 22, 2016, 02:54:11 pm
Also Ive been seeing these around shopping centers and train stations. Monolith version 2? lol they are commercial screens and as far as I know they are quite expensive.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5524/31151886081_d0101c6bf1.jpg) (https://c7.staticflickr.com/6/5607/30898887350_8c6c96ee5f.jpg)

https://www.elotouch.com/touchscreen-signage.html (https://www.elotouch.com/touchscreen-signage.html)

if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it.

https://www.amazon.com/E008823-Interactive-Digital-Signage-LED-Backlit/dp/B00UPH1JLW (https://www.amazon.com/E008823-Interactive-Digital-Signage-LED-Backlit/dp/B00UPH1JLW)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on December 22, 2016, 06:53:59 pm
I know i haven't updated this thread in a while, Im trying to avoid it actually until i can "cut wood". But i thought id share an update on the artwork. One thing i want say is that im really enjoying this build, Ive always being technical and creative and i love how building an arcade lets me draft a cad concept, do the graphic design, programming, wiring, drilling, cutting... everything. it's the perfect hobby for me.

Anyway about the artwork, I've spent ages creating and testing different looks, and while im still not finished, I think ive found the angle i want to go in. Since this build will have a lot of colour with the lights etc, i wanted to combine that with a retro and space theme. Im really liking how its turning it out. Its no where near finished but. The side panel art is pretty much complete and im happy with it but the control panel will most likely be redone as i want it to look more like an actual control panel on a space station or something. Pretty happy with the logo for this theme as well. notice that it's used differently on the control panel than the side panel. Also Note that the purple/pink lines used to outline the button holes and panels are the diecut lines and are not part of the artwork. They will not get printed.

(https://c7.staticflickr.com/1/781/30971918374_76112a0540.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/396/31665210192_f860e95977.jpg) (https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5588/31665210482_0a97dc43b8.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on December 22, 2016, 07:05:13 pm
YOVOLIT? you changed the name?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on December 22, 2016, 07:06:43 pm
lol na its still monolith, i see the confusion, thats just how the aliens write it
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on December 23, 2016, 06:47:50 am
The Neverending Story continues...
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: smass on December 23, 2016, 08:28:24 am
if you have to ask how much, you can't afford it.

https://www.amazon.com/E008823-Interactive-Digital-Signage-LED-Backlit/dp/B00UPH1JLW (https://www.amazon.com/E008823-Interactive-Digital-Signage-LED-Backlit/dp/B00UPH1JLW)

You can get a 70" 4K LCD in the states for under $1000 - so why not go for it now?  55"? That's for posers. :)

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-70-class-69-5-diag--led-2160p-with-chromecast-built-in-4k-ultra-hd-home-theater-display-black/5609000.p?loc=0&ref=8575135&acampID=dc8407dcc91311e6a82152dca6560a340INT (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/vizio-70-class-69-5-diag--led-2160p-with-chromecast-built-in-4k-ultra-hd-home-theater-display-black/5609000.p?loc=0&ref=8575135&acampID=dc8407dcc91311e6a82152dca6560a340INT)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 12:20:51 am
I just had to bring this one back.. I have so much invested in this... Chito come back! Cut some wood bud!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on February 22, 2017, 01:17:29 am
Sorry Mate, Ive literally got back from Japan 2 days ago lol. Had washing to do and clean my place. Now that im back, as soon as i can im going to get this build made. I did find some changes i need to make but they are minor.

Updated the control panel art to something that looks way more arcade-ish

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2069/32201425154_c74a7f236b.jpg)

Also checked out the arcades in japan... some really strange machines lol. I even saw an arcade of Type or dead which is a hack of house of the dead and they even had keyboards lol. They had something ive never seen before and i have no idea how they work... and that these arcades that use cards to interact with the game! I thought that was cool and it even gave me the idea to create something like that to load roms for console games! so a card kinda acts like a cartilage

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2413/32664707400_b5001ed2f3.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2498/33005072306_030d7410c2.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2487/32920202461_51e1c550a8.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3877/33005136416_3dc7ba121c.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: jmike on February 22, 2017, 05:57:58 am
I've seen something similar to that zombie type or die on PC.
(Can't really remember the name right now) but each zombie/bad guy has a word
on them and the faster you type it, the faster you can kill it. It's kind of cool cause it actually
 helps you practice your typing while killing zombies.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on February 22, 2017, 06:42:29 am
yeah that is the game. and they put it into a cab lol.
used to give this game out to friends that wanted to learn how to type lol
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on February 22, 2017, 07:00:07 am
saddle up. ;)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on February 22, 2017, 01:52:50 pm
saddle up. ;)

heh.

Had washing to do and clean my place.

Damn - that's disappointing. That just confirms to me that this'll never get made. :(
Washing and cleaning come second to cab building. Sorry, bro - you just aint got the passion for this scene.
;)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on February 22, 2017, 05:11:10 pm
I've seen something similar to that zombie type or die on PC.
(Can't really remember the name right now) but each zombie/bad guy has a word
on them and the faster you type it, the faster you can kill it. It's kind of cool cause it actually
 helps you practice your typing while killing zombies.

 :cheers:

Sega's Dreamcast also had a home port of Typing of the dead.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: darthcommanderman on February 22, 2017, 08:33:33 pm
saddle up. ;)

heh.

Had washing to do and clean my place.

Damn - that's disappointing. That just confirms to me that this'll never get made. :(
Washing and cleaning come second to cab building. Sorry, bro - you just aint got the passion for this scene.
;)
He's still contributing ideas. And inspiration! I personally am hooked on this thread. Besides,
Time not important. Only life important.

Sent from my SM-G900H using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on February 22, 2017, 08:43:17 pm
I have given Chito a bunch of crap in this thread. I hope you can see the humor in it Chito. There is no malice intended. I really hope you cut some boards in the near future.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on February 23, 2017, 02:25:45 am
its okay i know you say it with love lol and a ton sarcasm

Sega's Dreamcast also had a home port of Typing of the dead.

i thought it must have, every version ive seen of this, they are wearing sega saturns on their back with a huge battery in the game lol and they have keyboards.

japan... so random
they even have arcade games of kancho!

Quote from: Wikipedia
Kancho is a game or trick often played in Japan by young school-aged children; it is performed by clasping the hands together so the index fingers are pointing out and attempting to insert them into someone's anal region when the victim is not looking

11 Most Unbelievable Arcade Games Ever
https://youtu.be/CQ8edS3j-t0 (https://youtu.be/CQ8edS3j-t0)

They have any of the "touch octogon" games? it kinda plays like guitar hero but you touch the bars on the outside of the screen when the light hits it. They were all the rage in Taiwan.
yeah they did, so many rhythm, prize skill tester games and of course pachinko
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: scubajoe on February 28, 2017, 02:53:10 pm
I have been wanting to do a Vertical cab like yours for over a year now 49in TV not 55. After reading the whole thread for hours at work, I am pumped to start it up again. If you look at the Johns Arcade video the CRUSIN cab is using the hollow T-Molding and the LED strips, when you see them head on they pretty much look defused but in the reflections from the other walls of the cab you can see it's separate LEDs.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on March 10, 2017, 02:04:06 pm
Sooo... any wood cut yet?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on March 10, 2017, 02:06:42 pm
Yeah. I want to see this thing get built.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on March 10, 2017, 07:24:57 pm
update time

so while i was in japan i thought of a solution for making this beast easier to build. kind of like an ikea flat pack so im making those design changes now. also in a kind of stroke of luck, it turns out a mate who is a sign maker has a cnc machine and can help with the build, including sourcing materials at better prices, machine the wood, print the artwork and help with the assembly. he is very good at what he does and has great attention to detail.

so now a few new options have become available like making the bezel acrylic instead of mdf and the control panel might get an acrylic cover ;) the only problem is that he lives 4 hours away and it will be a massive undertaking to manufacture it there and transport it to where i live. but the quality of the build will be way better. so im glad i didn't get it cut yet. but im trying to get this cut asap. I also really want to start the build.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on March 10, 2017, 07:43:29 pm
(https://img.memesuper.com/9b7291583835ea43be5b8dd1db974221_products-pitch-and-memes-on-funny-im-out-memes_600-338.jpeg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on March 10, 2017, 08:00:57 pm
You going to rename it?

Someone-else-did-all-the-actual-workade?

so to clarify this project has always been a cad based one, which has been a massive amount of work in just planning and means i give the files to someone who has a cnc machine that can cut them out. My mate can also do the printing so he would probably be able to apply the artwork to the pieces as well. He may even have better ideas for solutions to some problems like how to get the illuminated t-moulding added on such big pieces with so many curves... but it will be transported flat pack (way too big to transport assembled)... the rest of the work will be done by me... which is final assembly: wiring, fixing oversights, applying the illuminated t-moulding and regular t-moulding, painting, screwing/nailing/gluing it all together. there is still a shitload to do
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on March 11, 2017, 03:44:09 pm
It's okay Chito! I am behind you! 7 pages in! Even Ond has something cut by this time...  :laugh2:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on March 11, 2017, 05:10:12 pm
Neverending Story is still the most fitting name.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 10, 2017, 08:50:43 pm
Update

so it has been while since i posted but ive been working on this every free moment i have. so many things have happened (in a good way). the new design changes have allowed this cab to be so easy to assemble and transport. Also here in Aus there are a few April public holidays coming up, 2 long weekends. ill do a proper write up with breakout diagrams and design changes and why of everything thats happened soon. just need to focus on the designs. but the gist is i have deadlines/milestones around these public holidays
finalise new design changes by 18th
start cutting panels - 19th
gather all materials by 21st; ive already ordered all materials (except buttons, joysticks)
construction by the 25th (empty cab, no electronics except tv)
drive home 26th come back for delivery 29th.

heaps has happened the the design is "smarter" and everything has been booked and paid for. so its happening ready or not. really looking forward to it and as soon i have a break ill do a proper write up.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 10, 2017, 08:54:54 pm
 :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 12, 2017, 06:53:58 pm
ParadiseArcade are out of stock on the buttons and LEDs i want to use. the got back to me and said it will be 4-6 weeks for them to be in stock. which is unfortunate but will give me plenty of time to work on the other electronics and programming
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 12, 2017, 11:33:37 pm
Lots of places sell buttons and LEDs.í
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 13, 2017, 01:03:57 am
yeah but not the ones I want. ie the iL concaved black plunger with a clear body with matching RGB led, I also need the joysticks with an extended shaft since it needs to go through mdf. They sell both. I can find the joysticks in many places... cant find an extended shaft.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 13, 2017, 05:12:09 am
Groovygamegear.com. or just use a regular shaft. Your fancy CNC guy can recess the joystick so it can be top mounted.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 13, 2017, 05:54:08 am
not top mounting so i can install lights at the base of the joystick like Flynn's Arcade build. i like that look way more than the lit up ball tops
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 13, 2017, 06:07:53 am
recess from the bottom.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 13, 2017, 09:35:33 am
recess from the bottom.
Mike, don't try to reason with him. Chito Gon' Chito. Just sit back and enjoy the ride, United Style.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 13, 2017, 09:39:03 am
I don't want to be beaten and dragged out of here! :o

United may have been a bad example. ;D
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 13, 2017, 09:54:44 am
have you guys not seen Flynn's Arcade (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,135116.0.html) Build?

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5614/15434176448_4bdb181eba_c.jpg)

you need the thickness to get the lighting effect. this is why i can top mount or recess.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3929/33855448352_8f481c3b2b.jpg)

view from the bottom

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5631/30201430463_b378b52c29.jpg)

I already mentioned this a few pages back.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 13, 2017, 09:58:15 am
Sorry. I read that post 19 years ago. I have raised two kids since you started this thread.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 13, 2017, 01:14:18 pm
Sorry. I read that post 19 years ago. I have raised two kids since you started this thread.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170413/d1436b9651d838dc5e0c2c38de5b2049.jpg)

I'm quite familiar with that thread,  thank you.  No need to recap.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on April 13, 2017, 02:32:38 pm
yeah but not the ones I want. ie the iL concaved black plunger with a clear body with matching RGB led, I also need the joysticks with an extended shaft since it needs to go through mdf. They sell both. I can find the joysticks in many places... cant find an extended shaft.

uhhh you know you can buy the concave button and a set of the IL clear.  ans just swap on the plunger, retro fit with and LED?

(https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/uploads/default/original/2X/a/ad63296a5852258b64c8f037ad5fa4379cfdd0c7.png)

(https://talk.dallasmakerspace.org/uploads/default/original/2X/a/a39486c41386860e9185bc27deb9e69c8a2a5380.png)

Neph rings bitches, top mounted....it can be done sir......

(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=332791;image]http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=136713.0;attach=332791;image)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 13, 2017, 07:53:39 pm
Sorry. I read that post 19 years ago. I have raised two kids since you started this thread.

lol this is why i love this forum. the banter is great

uhhh you know you can buy the concave button and a set of the IL clear.  and just swap on the plunger, retro fit with and LED?

of course i know, but then ill have to buy twice the buttons (ive asked other places). im happy to wait. in the mean time, i can still wire up the cab and add the buttons later

Neph rings bitches, top mounted....it can be done sir......

Goddamit i had no idea such a thing was out there!! I was looking at using pele rings at on stage. ive got 4 days till i have to hand in the designs and there is still so much prep work to do that i won't have time to investigate these. Ill have to go with what i have. And this ladies and gents is why it can take forever to design something. Wish i knew about these earlier.. there is still the problem of getting the leds to the Nephrings when its top mounted through 16mm mdf
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: Mike A on April 13, 2017, 07:58:28 pm
Hoover dam didn't require this much planning.

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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 14, 2017, 05:12:49 am
Just as an aside, my anti-gravity gun is nearly complete! I've sent off the plans on the back of a cigarette packet; Dave's making the anti grav unit and I'm just waiting for some no. 2 screws from china as B & Q had run out...
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 21, 2017, 02:35:31 pm
Status Update

So good news is I've finally got around to cutting wood! (and metal)... bad news is I had planned to build the entire thing this weekend, however, the wood I ordered 2 weeks ago hasn't come in!! which means I won't be able to finish this till 2 weeks from now.

I stayed up many nights to 5am finishing the cad files. As I was making the cnc files I would find issues, as I was making the explosion diagrams (further down in this post) I found more issues, went to the hardware store looked at some parts and found more issues lol. each revision was updating the cad files, creating cnc files, emailing the new files and my mate recreating the tool paths. It's seemed like it would never end! But all good now. files are full done, there are issue I know about but will find a solution during the build.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2923/33367326933_9ca8fcb0b4.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2858/34137998986_8a98ce3649.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2904/33793994570_1649789f18.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2838/33367323753_61c0112241.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2938/33367322663_a904e2ce89.jpg)

New material: composite board
so originally I planned to use 16mm mdf to and route a 10mm wide, 15mm deep channel through the middle. This had issues with creating an even route and even making the edges of the mdf weaker, my solution to which was to add another panel of mdf as a shield and to carry the weight.

What I've done instead is use 3mm aluminum composite board on both sides to sandwich some 12mm mdf. the aluminum is lighter and stronger and doesn't need any prep work to get the vinyl to stick to it... its only major drawback is that the stuff is way more expensive almost 5 times the amount of mdf per sheet (depending on the amount of aluminum used, color combo and finishes).

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5161/29535651924_1252ab99f4.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2907/34179741905_8a8a36ce82.jpg)

This makes repairs to the leds easier as I can get to them by simply removing the side panel and unscrewing the composite board. Additionally using this layer solution opened up new possibilities (which could be done in the mdf but here it's stronger). the way I've designed it, the base and the side carry all the weight of the cab.

Updated design changes

Parts
This cabinet is made with following sheets:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2881/33367255223_5232b249f1.jpg)

bloody expensive, and I got my material and cnc at mates rates. I used to see arcades advertised for $1000, $4000 etc and think far out! that's so expensive! I could make one for cheaper. After doing this project I can say that it's a bargain and I get it lol. Still, I did this for the fun and the intention was to go all out with something designed from scratch. reproducing a cab would be so much easier, faster and probably cheaper. moving on.

The wood that is on special order is mdf covered in black melamine. which means when this is cut and assembled there is no priming or painting involved. One problem with melamine is that you can't glue to it, so this would greatly reduce the strength and bond of any reinforced joints. So looking at other arcades made with the same material I learnt that I had to score about 1mm deep, ie remove the melamine from the mdf where there is going to be a joint. This ensures wood to wood contact that can be glued, screwed and nailed.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2949/33339000074_e6ec911687.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2885/34141147266_ce78bc0e5f.jpg)

Assembly
So here are the explosion diagrams step by step of how this will come together.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2813/34020449692_50efd8280d.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2936/34177785925_9f2f6e81e4.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2887/34137457556_472d39b406.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2927/34177785435_8b60149629.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2817/34137456876_7ded1cde1b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2941/34137455786_22e1df8710.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2818/34177784575_55456ba932.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2927/34137453776_1e90dae1df.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2868/34137452576_ff5a18097f.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2897/34020454012_351a19ae7c.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2947/33335449424_0fdb7ab504.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2830/34020454052_1ff105797f.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/34020452072_b17c11d2c2.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2942/33335451034_cbcddce5d0.jpg)

Artwork Update
So when i started working on the artwork, for some reason I create it in RGB colour space. So I had to redo all the artwork in CYMK for print and is a huge pain because a straight conversion dulls the colours. So I fixed all that and this time made all the colours link to a global pallet. Additionally, with the cnc file finalised, some holes and sizes changed so a redo was necessary anyways.

So the sides and bezel artwork is finalised

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2896/34047429881_374214768b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2935/33367261383_08bbf27460.jpg)

the one im having the most trouble with is the control panel. After about 5 different designs I've settle on one but I'm still having issues with players 3 and 4. have no idea what to do for them lol

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2947/34047431261_33943e90ca.jpg)

anyway so it seems i have some time now to work on this and it wont be rushed
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 21, 2017, 03:02:03 pm
 :applaud: :applaud: :applaud:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 21, 2017, 03:04:38 pm
cue 2001 theme music.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thomas_surles on April 21, 2017, 03:06:13 pm
Never thought id see the day.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on April 21, 2017, 03:15:46 pm
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358128)

He's just crazy enough to do it!

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 21, 2017, 03:20:46 pm
So good news is I've finally got around to cutting wood!

(http://www.niftymonkey.uk/HPServerPublic/Forums/BYOAC/qJJLOs.gif)
(read: I fell off my chair)

Remarkable. Couple of Q's:
1) when you say the sides are going to be removable to replace leds - where you removing from - inside? won't you have to go through the artwork?
2) That control panel looks a little busy to my tastes and detracts from the main feature of your cab which is basically the size! Are they just pretend displays or are they going to be actual ones?

Overall, I know you've had to ride out some major ribbing, but Yovolith is looking very interesting!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on April 21, 2017, 03:51:15 pm
it's like seeing IKEA at work  :applaud:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 21, 2017, 05:29:00 pm
You are a good guy Chito. Feel free bust my chops when I post a build. I will totally deserve it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: harveybirdman on April 21, 2017, 07:08:48 pm
Jesus there are so many above posts I wish to rep the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- out of right meow....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 21, 2017, 11:53:13 pm
1) when you say the sides are going to be removable to replace leds - where you removing from - inside? won't you have to go through the artwork?

so it will be unscrewed from the inside like this

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2817/33377239113_194ec2394f.jpg)

The panel with the artwork will be semi-permanent attached to the mdf. The TV part of cab will have to be pulled apart into its sections to make this repair but this is a repair that should never really ever happen or at least very rarely

2) That control panel looks a little busy to my tastes and detracts from the main feature of your cab which is basically the size! Are they just pretend displays or are they going to be actual ones?

I think at the first time you see it it will a bit distracting especially with all the detail in it. still, I think it will be okay in the end once the novelty wares off a bit. From the screen below you can see that its still a work in progress, many of the labels are cut and paste and so are duplicated and need updating lol

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33804892330_087a0cf421_c.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2944/33346562334_fe22375ce3.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2881/34058003191_eda6c02e00.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2876/33346561464_2a3e0f574f.jpg)

as for the 2nd part of this question, mate I was really looking at putting in real screens with animations lol. but this build is complicated enough lol. So, for now, they are fake screens just in the artwork. I was still looking at recessing them through the composite board and onto the mdf and maybe side lighting them so they at least light up like real screens. something like the roof in this photo

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2949/34147688266_8b1d13253b.jpg)

Maybe one day I'll create a version 2 of this control panel which will look more like a real control panel. That was the whole idea behind this version of the artwork. I just didn't know how to make it work. I tried many things.

anyway here are some past designs that made it to a prototype. bare in mind that these are just brainstorming and are nowhere near polished, they were made just to test out ideas

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5588/31665210482_0a97dc43b8.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2069/32201425154_c74a7f236b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2815/34147338126_61ab3049ee.jpg)

had a friend who helped me out, she is a graphic designer and she took my designs and helped me out with some ideas.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2852/34147336216_11d5433d91.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2875/33345652914_8434dc80de.jpg)

it seemed to me like she had the same idea.. to go for more of a screen type look so I went back to this idea tried a few things before settling on what I have so far

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2806/33377107133_d53630906e.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2833/33377115083_9a272a2c2e.jpg)

So credit where credit is due, the current designs are heavily based off the Prometheus movie. I used elements from it and reworked them to match my theme. It still took ages!!! I've spent many many hours on this lol

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2931/33346976474_f6b7c308a2.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2868/33378471773_73128bee9a.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 22, 2017, 03:27:25 am
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5588/31665210482_0a97dc43b8.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2069/32201425154_c74a7f236b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2815/34147338126_61ab3049ee.jpg)

Here. Some kind of cross between these 3. Only a view, of course.

As for the screens, I'd say go for it! But then again I would say that wouldn't I as I love additional displays on cabs. You can get small 7 inchers from china from next to nothing and the ones I've had have been really good. Guess the only task would be running cables from your main body to your CP, but looks like you got tracks for that already. Of course, you'd also have to have a GPU to accommodate. I just put an additional GPU (nothing fancy as just displays static images and simple movies at relatively low rez) into my my cab. But I guess you could run it off a single if enough outputs.
 
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on April 22, 2017, 06:57:09 pm
man to all the haters including myself who this was not gonna happen......

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170412/448b3770d9c6782bb0400a2310592171.gif)

Nice work sir.......... :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 23, 2017, 10:19:10 am
Chito is a stud.... I knew it was going to happen! :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 23, 2017, 06:13:31 pm
Yeah man, that was hard work giving his mate the CNC file....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 08:09:46 pm
thanks yotsuya it means a lot that you acknowledge all the hard work I've put into that CNC file lol

lol what a naysayer. but its okay i forgive you, its not your fault you may not know... the hard work isn't in the "cutting of wood", not hard to push wood through a saw. not sure if you're stirring the pot or genuinely don't know. normally i wouldn't say anything because it's dumb. but here is a good chance to talk about the process :)

spent many many nights up till 5:30am working on either the cad files or the artwork for this project and its heaps fun for me. not only do i like to create things but i like to create them well and accurately. when i really get into a project it tends to take over my day to day life for a while. just ask my friends and family how annoying i have been with this lol.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2808/34188779596_a73c912822.jpg)

sure this process is sometimes overkill on what essentially is a wooden box. but its a process used on all manufactured goods, from your husbands pink convertible to your genuine zolex watch

:soapbox:
that cnc file represents many many hours of conceptualizing, designing, planning, prototyping, checking, double checking, triple checking, test, review, repeat and repeat.. its understanding materials, aesthetics, design theory. its about creating new solutions to old or new problems. its also an opportunity to use newer building techniques. progress... dont be a dinosaur.

sure you could just decide to get your box of crayons out and wing some lines on some wood and then cut. but this a more precise, calculated engineered solution. and sure it can still be wrong and have mistakes. i guarantee i will find some once i start to put it together... but its about creating something more complicated with way more precision while minimizing mistakes and costs especially on what i would say is a more complicated concept than ur standard arcade cabinet.

tell anyone in product design, manufacturing or rapid prototyping that their work is just a cnc file or just a 3d print and watch them appropriately german suplex you.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4185/33419655433_4e58b80ceb.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 08:40:05 pm
If pushing wood through a saw was so easy you would have done that instead of paying for CNC work.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 08:45:23 pm
don't have a workshop. either way, still need to borrow/hire equipment. I have a few tools and a garage... but im not going to jigsaw all these panels of wood. that would be murder on your tools and hands. CNC just makes for a more precise solution and worth the extra work if things that fit and come together perfectly is your thing
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: harveybirdman on April 23, 2017, 08:48:03 pm
It's huge and ugly... but it's well designed, and may be the only design I've ever seen that that damn space paranoinds aircraft carrier is porpotional to.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 08:52:33 pm
lol well, that's the other side of things. you can't please everyone. nor should you try to. In the end, i did this for fun and for me. I knew it a risk to try something really different and man once the wood for the side panels got cut I was like "---steaming pile of meadow muffin---!" lol still I'm going to see this through. I have faith that once it all comes together it will turn out great
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: harveybirdman on April 23, 2017, 08:55:07 pm
Looks tons better than most arcade playing furniture man... and kudos to you for actually building it.

I just hope you never have to move it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 09:09:05 pm
CNC isn't necessarily more precise. A CNC's biggest strength is repeatability. I own a 24x12 CNC. I use it when I need to make 100 of something all exactly the same. If I am building one of something it is easier to use my shop tools.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 09:12:17 pm
I was with you until you denigrated the art of woodworking. I have watched professionals at work. It is skill, science, art, and a little bit of magic all rolled together.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 09:15:38 pm
So thanks to the cad work i know exactly how much this thing will weigh. Not only that but its center of gravity and other stats which were important since i don't want this thing to fall over and crush someone. Its also helps when i need to know how strong the material needs to be.

I just hope you never have to move it.

I hate moving lol. and this thing is a beast in size. It will have dollies/castor wheels, same as most arcades... but obviously this thing won't really fit in through a normal door and no one is going to lift this heavy thing up some stairs... again thanks to the magic of planning and CAD design I specifically had a solution for this. The cabinet comes apart into 5 sections so its moveable in pieces

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2852/34139864116_5fc3cd2202.jpg)

CNC isn't necessarily more precise. A CNC's biggest strength is repeatability
I would say there are many benefits. the one I really need here is precision. Obviously, if someone wants a to make their own Monolith then I can just give them the files. the side panels are huge and are layered.. the control panel is layered as well. i need the holes etc to be in the exact right place. because of the joystick light up solution I'm going for i need the right cutouts at the right depths. doing this manually would be way riskier and have defects. not only that I could potentially waste material if a mistake is huge enough. While MDF is cheap. composite board is not. And this is now more than just a wood solution
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 09:20:30 pm
There is nothing in your plans that cannot be easily done with good shop tools and a basic understanding of marking and measuring. There is nothing wrong with drawing plans and shipping them to a CNC shop. Just stop saying that CNC precision is required for what you are doing. That is simply not true.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 09:46:43 pm
I get that not all the parts need the precision..  some are basic squares or rectangles. But you would cut the following pieces side pieces by hand?

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2818/34177784575_55456ba932.jpg)

each piece exactly the same with the same curves made up of mdf and aluminum sheets? the mdf had and inner offset of 15mm on the front side for the leds, also not to mention lining up all the screw holes which are not all the same in diameter. the one hole for each screw has 4 cuts at 3 sizes...

There are 27 on each side.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2947/34231383145_cc2203996a.jpg)

similar issue with the control panel and joysticks

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5631/30201430463_b378b52c29.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3929/33855448352_8f481c3b2b.jpg)

Do you want to do all that by hand? While possible it's super impractical. it would take so much more time and has way more risk of failing and costing more money. while of course woodworking is an art (My old man was a carpenter and wood sculptor) CNC is the right tool for this job.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 10:01:30 pm
I wouldn't have completely over engineered a simple arcade cabinet to begin with. All of those tabs and slots? 27 screw holes on each side? Its all nonsense. Building this thing with hand tools would be very easy. Just not the way you laid it out. I am done arguing with you about it.

I honestly hope everything goes together well and that you are happy with the final result. I was totally on board the Chito train until now. This is my stop.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 10:04:52 pm
I way over thought this build lol that is true, I've said it a few times now. I kinda wanted a challenge and I know I'm bucking the trend here, I like to do things differently. I don't like things that are the same old same old. Still, the hope is that when it all comes together its worth it. and that I've learnt new things and that perhaps others have as well... like don't overthink and complicate things like I have lol
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 23, 2017, 10:07:27 pm
I'm just ---smurfing--- with you, Chito. Build what you dig. If it makes you happy, it makes you happy.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 10:10:18 pm
Geez Yots. Chito was all warm and cuddly until you posted. Then he tweaked my sensibilities. Now its all a big mess. I blame you. ;D
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 23, 2017, 10:18:57 pm
Geez Yots. Chito was all warm and cuddly until you posted. Then he tweaked my sensibilities. Now its all a big mess. I blame you. ;D
Enh, I just like playing bideo gamez.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 10:26:36 pm
My mistake was instead of posting I should have just cracked open a beer.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 10:29:08 pm
Sorry guys I thought we were exchanging solutions. I was just explaining my choices and giving insight into why i did things this way. I like the banter and the discussion. Isnt that what good mates do? make fun of each other lol. If i didn't like it i wouldn't bother posting. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I blame text-based communications having no tone. If you knew me, you would know that im a joker and upbeat guy.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 23, 2017, 10:42:02 pm
Sorry guys I thought we were exchanging solutions. I was just explaining my choices and giving insight into why i did things this way. I like the banter and the discussion. Isnt that what good mates do? make fun of each other lol. If i didn't like it i wouldn't bother posting. Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers. I blame text-based communications having no tone. If you knew me, you would know that im a joker and upbeat guy.
:cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 10:52:09 pm
I will second that. Sorry Chito. I am up past my bedtime. I am a little cranky and I am stuck at work. Attacking your method was dumb and I apologize. I am back on the Chito train.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 23, 2017, 11:25:04 pm
Attacking your method was dumb and I apologize.

No need :) I don't mind being challenged. In fact, that's how I learn. maybe I missed something, maybe I could've done something better, maybe i am over complicating stuff... Please do challenge my ideas. it's a forum we are here to discuss and make fun of each other lol.

I showed some friends the banter people have been posting. some of it is really really funny, many times I've cracked up at my desk

in fact this comment
Hoover dam didn't require this much planning.

was a ripper! laughed so hard! and so did my mates
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: Mike A on April 23, 2017, 11:36:12 pm
All of that is cool, but I did go too far. You have been a good sport.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 24, 2017, 01:32:32 am
So where you at with that cp?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 24, 2017, 02:11:37 am
im working that right now. Ive fixed players 1 and 2, fixed the text and labels for the screens

players 3 and 4 are still causing issues. I just can't get them to look right. I've experimented with a few ideas but nothing seems to be work.
there's just not enough room to do the exact same thing as player 1 and 2.  and what works one won't work for the other since they asymmetrical
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 24, 2017, 02:38:02 am
Not very often I get embroiled in people's aesthetic Choices, but I do worry, given the time and expense you've spent, you might wake up one morning and take issue with your own cp....

It just reminds me of cheap toys, where they print pretend dials and instruments onto stickers and stick them on...

If you do want that Prometheus look , I'd suggest doing it properly. For £100 you could buy a couple of LCD screens and a small gpu to drive them. Then you could have proper sooper sci fi displays rather than Mattel stickers...

As for your cp graphics, less is more imho
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 24, 2017, 03:00:48 am
yeah, you're right and the same thing has crossed my mind. I don't mind it too much as long as it looks good. I have enough material left over to perhaps do another version later on. with actual light buttons and screens, it might look good or really crap lol. don't know... I need to play around with that idea and the placement of the buttons would need to different to so that nothing gets in the way for the actual gameplay.

I think, for now, I need to just need to finish this build and look at a control panel V2 later on
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 24, 2017, 07:58:55 am
If you do want that Prometheus look , I'd suggest doing it properly. For £100 you could buy a couple of LCD screens and a small gpu to drive them. Then you could have proper sooper sci fi displays rather than Mattel stickers...

the more i think about this the more i think it would've been mad to add them. A few weeks i was looking a ipad 2 screens with a hdmi driver controller for about 80 buckaroos (which are 9.7 inch, 1024 by 768 pixels at 132ppi IPS screens) the only thing i dont know is if the driver supports power preserve after power loss or it works like a monitor.

found this 7" 1200 x 800 ips screen with a controller for $64 USD
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2888/34082553582_52afbc9979.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on April 24, 2017, 10:04:50 am
those universal LCD boards 99% of the time support last power state, so if it's on... it will power right back up.

the only ones I've seen not do that are a handful of ones with tuners built into them used to replace TV boards. they usually default off.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on April 24, 2017, 11:12:55 am
I don't think the control panel screens being actual screens is at all crucial with this project.

I mean, really, is somebody - anybody - going to walk up to this thing as designed and go, "Enh, I just wish it lit up more, you know?"   :D

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 24, 2017, 12:45:58 pm
lol well, I ended up buying one anyway. Ill play around with and test a few things. If it doesn't get used here it will go into a new project for a little bartop. plus i muck around with a RPi a lot so it won't go to waste.

I was thinking that maybe apart from the Prometheus type animations it could display in-game info like high scores, cheats etc.. i don't need an extra screen for marquee and instruction cards. that was the whole point of the vertical screen but maybe it could display something else because this will also have a pinball machine. the digital plunger and controller arrived a few weeks back. Anyway, just a thought.

But you're right, visually there is probably already too much going on lol. I'll see when it's finally built and up and running
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on April 24, 2017, 01:02:38 pm
If you do want that Prometheus look , I'd suggest doing it properly. For £100 you could buy a couple of LCD screens and a small gpu to drive them. Then you could have proper sooper sci fi displays rather than Mattel stickers...

the more i think about this the more i think it would've been mad to add them. A few weeks i was looking a ipad 2 screens with a hdmi driver controller for about 80 buckaroos (which are 9.7 inch, 1024 by 768 pixels at 132ppi IPS screens) the only thing i dont know is if the driver supports power preserve after power loss or it works like a monitor.

found this 7" 1200 x 800 ips screen with a controller for $64 USD
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2888/34082553582_52afbc9979.jpg)



They do, i used these in my virtual pin.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 24, 2017, 01:27:35 pm
the more i think about this the more i think it would've been mad to add them. A few weeks i was looking a ipad 2 screens with a hdmi driver controller for about 80 buckaroos (which are 9.7 inch, 1024 by 768 pixels at 132ppi IPS screens) the only thing i dont know is if the driver supports power preserve after power loss or it works like a monitor.

Wow. So you've gone form Mattel stickers to an IPS monitor? Cool beans. Didn't know these little china cheapies were available in IPS - it'll look spiffing.

As for what to display on it - given it's a CP how about game controls? So your players can know what buttons to press. Unless you are designing it for one game only.

I don't think the control panel screens being actual screens is at all crucial with this project.

Ignore him. He's wrong.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2017, 07:02:05 pm
I will give you credit, I like the fact that you're trying to make the control panel look like a control panel, I find it much preferable to some of the other crap people throw on it. Having said that, I too think screens would be Overkill. Then again, the whole damn thing is overkill, so what's one more bit of bling. :-)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: rablack97 on April 24, 2017, 07:23:12 pm
I will give you credit, I like the fact that you're trying to make the control panel look like a control panel, I find it much preferable to some of the other crap people throw on it. Having said that, I too think screens would be Overkill. Then again, the whole damn thing is overkill, so what's one more bit of bling. :-)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/1rbWUpNl5Ew/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 25, 2017, 02:29:58 am
Yotsuya is also wrong. Ignore him. He works fo Mattel.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 25, 2017, 08:47:04 am
As for what to display on it - given it's a CP how about game controls? So your players can know what buttons to press. Unless you are designing it for one game only.

The whole reason why its a 55" screen in portrait is to tackle this issue. at this orientation, I can display marquee, bezel, instruction cards fake arcade speakers, fake marquee lighting effect etc all on the screen at once as a single overlay image. I won't actually need the other screens for that stuff, these screens are free to be their own thing (not sure if ill need them for the pinball but)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5546/30160734574_bc079f90df.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5047/30089602586_0c3bf79acb.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5247/30103662895_998fbabc63.jpg)

I will give you credit, I like the fact that you're trying to make the control panel look like a control panel

I thought this made the most sense and fits with my whole out in space 2001 space odyssey name and theme lol I originally was going to base the design of the control panel used in the movie, even with a HAL-9000 unit but they were a bit too bland. not much to work with.
earlier versions were very similar to the side art but I thought there wasn't enough variety. Not to mention that old retro arcade control panels looked like control panels and I wanted that feel (although it looks less retro at the moment)

In terms of bling, I saw this months ago when I was researching for this build. not sure what his handle or if has one on this forum, but he has a website and a youtube channel. Anyway he builds arcades based on the Flynn's Arcade build and he created this variation control panel

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/33877564400_7618384b00.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW0HPX_kYMg)

Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW0HPX_kYMg) by Paradox Arcade Systems

now that my control panel has changed I'm thinking maybe I can do something similar. It's actually very easy but expensive. It's basically layers of acrylic sheets with an opaque vinyl sheet with lines and elements cut out. He has a video under another name for it here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqWCqsaHvL4) and if you skip to 2:33 (https://youtu.be/iqWCqsaHvL4?t=2m33s) he shows exactly how he did it
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wheeezy on April 25, 2017, 08:50:28 pm
amazing i want do something like that wow

i want do with a 42 inch lcd tv that i have
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 26, 2017, 01:44:46 am
amazing i want do something like that wow

i want do with a 42 inch lcd tv that i have

you can thank Vcabinets for the idea.
Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/VCabinet.es/)
Webpage (http://www.vcabinet.es/)

So I've started thinking about wiring... I'm using the Ipac Ultimate
I've seen builds that use Molex connectors and I was thinking why? the micro switches already use quick connects... I don't see the point or am I missing something? is it because the LED wires are short and you need to make an extension anyway? normally I would just extend the wire, solder, and then heat shrink.

I guess if you had a harness for each player that might be handy,
The harness would have a GND to daisy chain the micro switches and +5V to daisy chain the LEDS... is that right?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Laythe on April 26, 2017, 09:53:54 pm
I don't think the control panel screens being actual screens is at all crucial with this project.

Ignore him. He's wrong.
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=358288;image)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 26, 2017, 11:23:34 pm
lol. what a crack up. Also, that's one of my favorite movies, so well directed and written.
92 and 94 on rotten tomatoes

So I contacted Andy from Ultimarc and he confirmed
you can daisy chain the GND for the micro switches and you can daisy chain the +5V for the LEDs
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 27, 2017, 02:56:31 am
Beware Laythe's campaigns of misinformation and character assassination. I hear he burns books and inserts subliminal message frames into films of a weekend.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Schnookums on April 29, 2017, 01:49:33 pm
I saw this on goodwill's auction site and couldn't help but think of this project....

https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewitem.asp?itemid=39131480 (https://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewitem.asp?itemid=39131480)

If I actually lived in Vegas I'd totall buy it just to mess around with it
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 29, 2017, 07:48:45 pm
I will second that. Sorry Chito. I am up past my bedtime. I am a little cranky and I am stuck at work. Attacking your method was dumb and I apologize. I am back on the Chito train.

Mike Joined the Train while I was gone??? Awesome.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 29, 2017, 07:51:33 pm
Yup. I am still new to this internet forum thing. It seems to bring out the cranky old man in me. In real life I am really laid back. I am doing my best to make sure that is what comes through in my posts going forward.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 30, 2017, 07:58:51 am
Yup. I am still new to this internet forum thing. It seems to bring out the cranky old man in me. In real life I am really laid back. I am doing my best to make sure that is what comes through in my posts going forward.

Well that's boring.  >:D
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on April 30, 2017, 08:18:57 am
Maybe, but I want to learn from this forum, and share things that I have learned. It is easier to do that if I am not distracted by meaningless garbage. I will still give my honest opinion, but I will do my best to leave it be after that.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 30, 2017, 10:45:52 am
It's all good Mike A  :cheers: all I got was that you're passionate about your craft

So I thought I would update on the latest going on's. Hopefully, this helps someone one day

Control panel art is done
Sorry this version doesn't have working screens in it

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2815/34227892551_419b1b941c.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2862/34200244182_7b8048249b_c.jpg)

Wood saga
2 weekends ago I started cutting wood, but could only get so far because the mdf with black melamine hadn't come in (a few public holidays were in the week leading up). New eta of Friday was given but alas it still hasn't arrived. This is is making it hard to plan when to set time for this build!! I really want to progress. But still, this has been a blessing in disguise.

for one thing, while the designs are done and the cnc files sent, it has given me time to go over things, refine parts and debug. I ended up finding some errors) all of which would've been fixable at build time but save time and effort finding them now. Also ordered more parts like screws, PCB feet, panel mount 3.5mm audio, screws etc

Hinges
One huge issue was the hinges. I spend many hours with very little sleep researching this. I know very little about the world of hinges lol. I've seen many hinges and I knew what I needed would be out there, its got to be! There are sooooo many. I just didn't know what the ones I needed were called. After researching and I found them and I thought why not add them to the designs adn update the cnc files, I've got the time. luckily I did as I found an issue that took forever to resolve

Coin door
After researching and a few trips to the hardware store the joint I'm using for this is a Euro Concealed Inset Hinge 107deg. This hinge will allow me to have the coin door against the inside of the side panel. I added the holes to the design and once I bought the part, I updated them with the correct measurements. easy

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4182/34227937671_f019ecee4b.jpg)

Control panel
For this, I decided to use a standard Euro Overlay Hinge. And it had to be at least 100deg since the control panel is angled at 7.5deg. so at 97.5deg would be perfectly vertical but it would still tip forward (controls, wires etc offset the center of gravity) so 100deg or more would work better. added the holes to the design and discovered a major issue!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2877/33974873100_67d8c5d1a3.jpg)

The issue I found was that the cup cutout for the hinge eats into the area where the leds will be!! goddamit! This is why I love cad. this would've sucked to have bought the parts and made this find at build time.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4189/34359094505_f5e92cedf4_c.jpg)

The issue was bigger than I though because, in fact, all euro hinges will have this issue... So I looked into other hinges. Can't use a butt hinge, piano hinge, gate hinges so so many... because have the same issue or don't provide the movement I needed. Holy crap what can I use... I spent so many hours researching. The next day I still didn't have an answer and was just about to post on this thread to ask for help when I found Frog hinges.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/33549103483_3f8d351111.jpg)

in the above photo, the brown stained wood would be the control panel. You can see the holes for the screws, on the dark wood, are the same distance as the side panels thickness plus about 4mm. In my case, thats 16mm + 4mm. The leds are 15mm from the edge.. awesome! prays answered? These hinges can only go to 90deg which as I mentioned before means the control panel will tip forward. crap, what do it do? So I looked into gas struts and stay lifts.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4189/34318548076_9f86c631bb.jpg)

the problem is they still require a hinge and they often can't hold the weight that this control panel will be (estimate 10-15kgs). There are other arm mechanisms but now it was getting ridiculous and expensive. But what can I do?! I need a hinge... the way I designed the control panel is so that it will sit in place without any hinge using placers (highlighted blue in the pic below) that are attached to the control panel on the underside...

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2864/33975678820_3007dcfa0d_c.jpg)

would that be enough? it would suck to repair buttons etc. I would need to remove and disconnect the whole control panel. I was stuck!!! holy crap what am going to do? there doesn't seem to be a solution!! and then after many many more hours the arcade gods blessed me... by absolute fluke and even after looking at hundreds and hundreds of hinges I never saw this hinge before. At first, I only saw it as a photo... didn't have a name. had no info. I did a reverse google image search... got a name and more images of the same hinge came up awesome. But most the images were mistakes in that it was incorrectly in the gallery for another part, the frog hinge. Eventually, after so many attempts I kinda have a name, introducing the 130-170 frog bridge hinge or a combination of those words lol.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2885/34319091176_3482a45ca5.jpg)

this bad boy has an adjustable angle between 130-170deg and 2 of these can hold up a door that is 30kgs (66 pounds) and bonus the movement is wide so the t-moulding doesn't get clipped. Is this joint a godsend, will the joint be heaps stiff? who knows. I couldn't find anywhere on the net that sold them except for one website based in china. I got the hole dimensions and ill add them to the design soon, just waiting on the supplier to give me the correct ones (found many mistakes in the ones he sent me due to dodgy cut and paste). It's always safer to have the actual part in your hands and take measurements. A few times even with the manufactures dimensions they were wrong. they didn't match with what they actually are. Anyway, I'm deciding whether to risk it.

This hinge issue took 4 days to get to this point, many nights up till 4am-5:30am trying to find an answer.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on April 30, 2017, 11:11:29 am
Whilst i love this project....

(http://www.niftymonkey.uk/HPServerPublic/Forums/BYOAC/funny-old-toy-little-car-steering-wheel.jpg)

I can't say I didn't try...
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on April 30, 2017, 11:15:50 am
(http://www.niftymonkey.uk/HPServerPublic/Forums/BYOAC/funny-old-toy-little-car-steering-wheel.jpg)

This just needs a raspberry pi and a real screen and bam instant portable car racing cockpit for your desktop. Awesome it even has the Mattel stickers! next project? maybe... would be mad for playing Mario kart!

with this build, if I add the screen, I'll have to add them later. that is something I really need to work out how I will do. mainly because even thought that area appears to be unused, on the other side of the control panel are all the pcbs, wires etc. I would need to measure up the parts and create brackets (3d print?) to hold everything together
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on April 30, 2017, 11:50:06 am
Maybe, but I want to learn from this forum, and share things that I have learned. It is easier to do that if I am not distracted by meaningless garbage. I will still give my honest opinion, but I will do my best to leave it be after that.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 03, 2017, 03:08:21 am
Update

The wood has finally arrived. 3 weeks late but at least its here. Time to bring most of this thing together. sucks that i have to wait for the buttons and joysticks
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 03, 2017, 10:10:51 am
You got wood.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on May 03, 2017, 10:14:31 am
but it took 3 weeks. You might want to see a doctor about that.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: Monkeyvoodoo on May 03, 2017, 10:14:50 am
You got wood.
Ha Ha(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170503/274ec9cdc6540342f6b16c5cd59dd73d.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 08, 2017, 06:29:39 pm
Sooo.......

Pictures of your wood?

>.<
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 08, 2017, 10:50:21 pm
I just got back from my friend's workshop last night. I spent the weekend up at his place and took the day off on Monday to work on this project just because he lives so far away. Of course, nothing goes smoothly so we had to deal with some annoying issues...


All the prep work is now done (95%)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4156/33700271084_e4671197de.jpg)

We got all our wood cut (forgot to take photos lol)
So all 10 sheets ar now cut. It's heaps and heaps of work. each sheet takes about a day. We found a few issues but have enough wood from the off cuts to re-cut some parts. So that's all that needs to be fixed. so far about 5 pieces.

All mitre joints cut, exposed edges sealed and primed ready to paint, inserts machined down, made flush and installed.

Artwork

So I created my artwork on a true colour calibrated screen and when I viewed them on my friend's screen the colours were coming up all weird so as a precaution we printed out some tests. which is an annoying effort on this CYMK machines. man do they need a lot of maintenance lol. But the good news is it came out sexy as!!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4179/34543048055_dfe156d6cf.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4178/34157159080_5697c80f67.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4194/33700268734_357b8f3a9c.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4193/34412773021_49de982c66.jpg)

Other Artwork
So ive also started prototyping some overlays for this beast

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4181/34270757842_e907317325.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4191/34430335315_e2c47bf63e.jpg)

One last update

7inch IPS screens

So while I was away the 7 inch screen came in. looks pretty nice. also found this perfect adafruit tutorial https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-video-looper/overview (https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-video-looper/overview). I try it out with a raspberry pi zero but looks like we might have a winner for contorl panel V2. if not it will be the screen for my bartop im making form an icade
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: coyo5050 on May 08, 2017, 11:04:52 pm
If you do want that Prometheus look , I'd suggest doing it properly. For £100 you could buy a couple of LCD screens and a small gpu to drive them. Then you could have proper sooper sci fi displays rather than Mattel stickers...

the more i think about this the more i think it would've been mad to add them. A few weeks i was looking a ipad 2 screens with a hdmi driver controller for about 80 buckaroos (which are 9.7 inch, 1024 by 768 pixels at 132ppi IPS screens) the only thing i dont know is if the driver supports power preserve after power loss or it works like a monitor.

found this 7" 1200 x 800 ips screen with a controller for $64 USD
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2888/34082553582_52afbc9979.jpg)



They do, i used these in my virtual pin.

I used one of these screens in my cabinet. The plan was to show controls for the different systems or the game name/marquee. Still looking for the right software for that.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 09, 2017, 12:02:50 am
I forgot to mention 1 thing. What's the best way to protect the control panel?

I read that polycarbonate laminate is the way to go and when I mention this to my mate, he said there are a few types and thicknesses... What do I need to tell him to get the right finish?



(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2888/34082553582_52afbc9979.jpg)
I used one of these screens in my cabinet. The plan was to show controls for the different systems or the game name/marquee. Still looking for the right software for that.

couldnt you do this by connecting it to a video card with dual (or more) monitor screen support and then use rocketlauncher to display the image you want on it per game? pretty sure mame has dual screen support for this already
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 09, 2017, 02:48:59 am
@coyo5050  you can use this:

https://sites.google.com/view/magoarcade/software/cpwizbiz?authuser=0
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on May 09, 2017, 07:24:38 am
This is a bold and impressive project. I hope it all comes together the way you envisioned it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2017, 10:15:20 am
Wow... and all this time I thought your profile pic was pixel art... but that is what you actually look like! It's a good look... ha ha ha
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on May 09, 2017, 03:16:02 pm
polycarbonate is strong like bull, but scratch like cat. even wiping it will scratch it. the only reason you'd want polycarbonate (AKA Lexan) is for security reasons.

you want acrylic. it's far more scratch resistant but brittle so watch how you drill/screw/secure it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on May 09, 2017, 04:45:48 pm
Make sure your clear on what your asking about, polycarbonate laminate is a tough stick on material.

Or are you talking about acrylic/lexan CP overlays.

The laminate is awesome on CP's and doesnt require an acrylic overlay.  I've went this way on all of my builds for awhile the acrylic overlays just protect your atwork, and can show toms of fingerprints and can crack during the fitting process.

if your gonna put this on a cp your gonna need 1/8 thick and a 5/8 cp panel, so t-moulding sits flush with bottom of cp and top of acrylic with art sandwiched in between.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: system01 on May 09, 2017, 05:58:36 pm
I forgot to mention 1 thing. What's the best way to protect the control panel?

I read that polycarbonate laminate is the way to go and when I mention this to my mate, he said there are a few types and thicknesses... What do I need to tell him to get the right finish?

Two different things here:

The stickers can have a PC laminate.  It is very tolerant and has some roughness to it.  Kinda like a DVD case.  My cocktail has this with nothing over it and has stood up for years with no signs of wear.

The plastic slab you screw on top of everything... IMO you should go with Acrylic (plaxiglas).  PC (lexan) can stop a bullet but will be smudged with scratches within a month.  Acrylic is also at least half the cost (in the US).  Look for AR acrylic (abrasion resistant) and see if it has a slight texture to it.  I've seen some with and without.  Acrylic is also easier to polish when it does get too messy.

I have some of these (http://www.onsrud.com/product/Item/m/itemDetail.html?itemId=70-633 (http://www.onsrud.com/product/Item/m/itemDetail.html?itemId=70-633)) because I drill a lot of 1/4-20 in plastic.  You still have to be gentile, but not like you're drilling glass.  If you're using CNC (as I do), you should have no problem if you get your feeds/speeds even remotely right.  The worst is if you run too high rpm/too slow feed you just start melting everything.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 09, 2017, 08:08:27 pm
I can't use a layer of plexiglass/Acrylic because the thickness is already the width of the t-moulding. 18mm t-moulding with 3mm composite board, 12mm mdf then 3mm composite board again.

so I want to laminate the artwork with something to protect it on the control panel. And i think this where I'm getting confused, so you can coat the vinyl with polycarbonate which is good, and there is polycarbonate as a sheet that sits on top of the control panel which is bad.... is that right?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: system01 on May 09, 2017, 08:16:10 pm
Not good or bad, just... what you want.  The PC laminate on the vinyl sticker is done at the printer.  You can't apply it later.

My t-mold was too thick also.  I bought the wider stuff and wrapped tape around half a razor blade and cut it down.  The taped part let me slide it on my "nice" surfaces.

<edit> If you're concerned with color, the PC laminate on vinyl sicker method will dull the color a bit.  If you want the most pop, you will want smooth stickers and an acrylic "slab" overlay.  You can see my PC vinyl here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,85969.msg961852.html#msg961852. (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,85969.msg961852.html#msg961852.)  It is not glossy and you can see the files provided above a few posts.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 09, 2017, 08:31:43 pm
My t-mold was too thick also.  I bought the wider stuff and wrapped tape around half a razor blade and cut it down.  The taped part let me slide it on my "nice" surfaces.

My problems is the opposite. with all the layers that make up the control panel, my t-moulding is not thick enough. so I can't add a protective sheet/slab. I need to laminate the artwork.

The PC laminate on the vinyl sticker is done at the printer.  You can't apply it later.
surfaces.
yeah, that's no problem. I'm printing the sticker myself at my mate's workshop. He is a sign maker.


So is the PC slab the one that scratches etc or the laminate? or am I totally barking up the wrong tree? what is the best way to laminate the artwork? I read on this forum somewhere that lexan get ruined when you spill something on it.... not sure it thats a sheet/slab or a laminate.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Typefighter01 on May 09, 2017, 09:01:59 pm
My problems is the opposite. with all the layers that make up the control panel, my t-moulding is not thick enough. so I can't add a protective sheet/slab. I need to laminate the artwork.

Just to clarify...there is two different approaches here, a hard, non adhesive, clear lexan/polycarb/acrylic overlay that would need to be CNC'd or routed and would sit on top of artwork and would be held down with the buttons and or some sort of mounting hardware and the second approach which is some sort of flexible, adhesive backed, pressure sensitive overlay that would be permanently attached to the artwork. What I get from you is your asking about the latter. This is very commonly done to protect art and most sign and printing shops should be able to do this for you.

Here is an example of the sort of product I am referring to. http://www.masterlaminator.com/us/polycarbonate-laminates-c-13_55_71/54-velvetgloss-polycarbonate-overlaminating-film-p-54.html#.WRJjF4jyvIU (http://www.masterlaminator.com/us/polycarbonate-laminates-c-13_55_71/54-velvetgloss-polycarbonate-overlaminating-film-p-54.html#.WRJjF4jyvIU)

Not suggesting the product in the link per say, just giving it to you as reference. I have a cheap Chinese cold roll laminator and one of the laminates I use is textured and it looks exactly like the protective films you see on some arcade panels.

Loving the build BTW  :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: system01 on May 09, 2017, 09:30:38 pm
So is the PC slab the one that scratches etc or the laminate? or am I totally barking up the wrong tree? what is the best way to laminate the artwork? I read on this forum somewhere that lexan get ruined when you spill something on it.... not sure it thats a sheet/slab or a laminate.

That's up to what materials you can get.  Like i said, I have the thin textured PC laminated with my stickers and it's very resilient.  Actually, that's the only protective option I had.  Maybe you can do something glossy and slightly thicker for laminate(?)  I don't know.  I DO know that polished PC sheets will scratch just looking at them.  What you have at hand (or your buddy's shop) will probably be different.  Polished PC sheets are only really used for one thing... safety windows.  Motorcycle helmet visors: PC, so it won't shatter in your eyes. Race car windows:  PC, for the same.  Airport security windows: PC, for the same.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: thePrimativ on May 10, 2017, 08:10:46 am
My t-mold was too thick also.  I bought the wider stuff and wrapped tape around half a razor blade and cut it down.  The taped part let me slide it on my "nice" surfaces.

My problems is the opposite. with all the layers that make up the control panel, my t-moulding is not thick enough. so I can't add a protective sheet/slab. I need to laminate the artwork.

The PC laminate on the vinyl sticker is done at the printer.  You can't apply it later.
surfaces.
yeah, that's no problem. I'm printing the sticker myself at my mate's workshop. He is a sign maker.


Just my two cents worth
I get all my vinyl printed and laminated for work, by my mate who is a sign maker and it doesn't seem to dull it noticeably. And it's super tough I've put stickers on my van rear window and been there 3 years, still holds up well even with the wiper running across it.
The laminate isn't any thicker than the vinyl


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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 23, 2017, 05:51:29 pm
It's gone quiet again.... I like it when it goes quiet - it means stuff's happening... :)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 23, 2017, 06:52:31 pm
yes indeed :)
ive spent the last couple of weeks waiting for parts to come in and I've made changes that I will updated people about soon. still working out exactly how im going to do it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 30, 2017, 08:36:20 am
And done, 3 7inch IPS screens added, designs updated, new cad files created. All the parts arrived and I was able to measure and design a solution, Shipping parts from China takes so long!

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4225/34948634116_81af65ccb7.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4249/34600969300_a541993ed7.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4195/34825205162_fd55750993.jpg)

Last change before final assembly. when I was creating the artwork for the control panel it bothered me that these screens looked lifeless as just artwork (pretty sure stigzler inceptioned me). When stigzler mentioned the same concern I thought I might as well do this because at this point. If I don't and regret it later ill be pissed lol. Plus my brain was nagging me until I saw this idea through.

I don't think having the screens there are any more distracting than the original artwork. Sure it might be brighter but illuminated buttons will blanace it out also the animations won't be anything too loud, kind of like this (which is actually from the movie Prometheus)
https://youtu.be/8AOgBfc4pEg (https://youtu.be/8AOgBfc4pEg)

The quality of these cheap IPS screens looks great. Each screen has a custom harness that screws into the control panel, on the back of each harness are the 3 pcbs that run the screen: the controller board, controls and Raspberry pi Zero. The raspberry pi runs the video on a loop using this tutorial  (https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-video-looper/overview)from Adafruit.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: mourix on May 30, 2017, 03:24:14 pm
Wow, 3 IPS screens just for show. The verdict is still out on whether that's genius, or just plain stupid :dizzy:

Can't wait to see what this mad machine will look like in the end.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on May 30, 2017, 03:52:22 pm
(http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=149895.0;attach=359061;image)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on May 30, 2017, 03:57:53 pm
 :applaud:

Go Chito! Go for broke!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on May 30, 2017, 10:58:28 pm
:applaud:

Go Chito! Go for broke!

Oh, he'll be broke all right...


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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: morton on May 31, 2017, 08:55:44 am
For anyone who isn't familiar with the thread, this cabinet began as a custom build for Andre Roussimov, better known as Andre the Giant. Sadly the OP has been so busy in the shop cutting wood and finishing this build he hasn't found out the tragic news that our dear Andre left us in 1993.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on May 31, 2017, 11:20:56 am
so 3 screens and 3 pi setups im presuming.

don't let the haters steer you off man, most people lose site of why people do these types of peripherals.  Mainly its a just to see if you can cleanly pull it off.  Your intent was a wow factor, and first look it will be a wow. factor.

You might consider using one of the screens to show controls or game info, so it will serve a functional purpose.

Having just built a vpin, you get so deep into the build that you might as well do it right while your in the zone and then the ideas start flying.  However only a group enthusiast nerds will know or even care to understand what's going on underneath the hood.

My advice is buy things that wont be going obsolete anytime soon and if so buy at least 2 of them.  In this wiring frenzy your apt to fry something and or something will just go out for no reason at all.

Keep on your path, i was skeptical at first too, but after seeing the execution, its gonna be a doozey.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 31, 2017, 02:02:20 pm
My advice is buy things that wont be going obsolete anytime soon and if so buy at least 2 of them.  In this wiring frenzy your apt to fry something and or something will just go out for no reason at all.

This. After having to wait a month for a replacement screen for my 7" controls display due to it being shipped from china - despite it only costing 57 pence. I got two - stockpile them for when they need replacing in 10 years time + no longer available.

btw - what a great idea to include those displays. Just hold off a day or two before signing off on the RPi idea - just knocking something together my end to invite you to consider something else....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on May 31, 2017, 02:33:40 pm
The more features you add to the project, the less likely it is to be completed. Feature creep kills a project more often than not.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: Monkeyvoodoo on May 31, 2017, 04:01:06 pm
The more features you add to the project, the less likely it is to be completed. Feature creep kills a project more often than not.
That and the project falling of the work table

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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on May 31, 2017, 04:03:27 pm
or in this case, falling onto the maker?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 31, 2017, 06:38:59 pm
thanks for the support and advice guys.

I thought about it for a few days before I ordered the parts, would it work, would it look tacky, how much extra would it costs etc. I've already got the material so there's not much extra cost there. it was just the screens and Rpi zeros really. totally get that it's not everyone's cup of tea, but since the control panel will have illuminated buttons I think this will work, much like having an illuminated trackball (or 3)

not to worry about creep or the project going off the rails. all the parts have already arrived all I need to do is cut the new cad parts out. which might take a day. but this build is pretty much ready for assembly. it's just a shame that all the wood is at my mate's workshop which is sooo far away. there's a public holiday in 2 weekends time. with a 4 day weekend I'm hoping to knock this out.

this is the last change, im pretty happy with the rest. the only other thing im looking at is the logo that's on the bezel. i want it to light up, just don't know how just yet. maybe some backlighting? don't know, for now, I've taken it out of the artwork and ill prob create an acrylic led sign the will go across the top like this

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQMAAp8f5dqXqX6cnX02EFLtITpUcxmQb93Mg1YJzMnjHs6Lw6GYIpGzzmWxw)

even if this doesn't happen I'm pretty happy with it overall so this logo thing is a low low priority change
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on May 31, 2017, 10:03:49 pm
PS saw this on my facebook about a kickstarter (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fkck.st%2F2siwE2l&h=ATM6AkL-UHsuLcH5xgiIhNHbdOhcUG8peZIuqDNpUnbh4y8PMc_SS72_WMRRAr9nLbXQDHsMsU6uraBVsU3G_0M1nzdWM3JQzf4dpYmQ_cP2R69C_YVeaHKQ-Yg4SEsjQqgpILQEgKmLTfQ). might make for funny tokens (if you don't have young kids, even if you do all good lol)

(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/18768216_2038613719485674_5391587570560199325_o.jpg?oh=82fcdb5e5c32aba05f31f8ee20eedd63&oe=599D43C9)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on June 01, 2017, 03:14:53 am
No.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on June 01, 2017, 11:57:15 am
 :whap UHHH No
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on June 01, 2017, 12:07:48 pm
Yes.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on June 01, 2017, 02:14:10 pm
Maybe. I don't know.... Can you repeat the question?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on June 01, 2017, 03:09:18 pm
My reading of that was that Mike neither gives 2 shits nor a flying fuk. I'd wager he couldn't give a Two Penny Toss either.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on June 01, 2017, 07:38:06 pm
$7 for 3 "tokens"? Griff-richer.


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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: gamepimp on June 02, 2017, 07:35:46 am
$7 for 3 "tokens"? Griff-richer.


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That's nuts! Talk about a huge profit margin. Wish I would've thought of that. LOL! As they say "A fool and his money are soon parted".  ;)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on June 02, 2017, 08:00:17 am
So, if you could run a couple of cables from 2 of those displays to your rig, you could achieve something like this:

 (http://youtu.be/I4vCJHdxQaU)

In my rig, I just have a lightweight GPU to run the two info/controls displays, leaving my my GPU doing all the emulator heavy lifting work..
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on June 02, 2017, 09:24:59 am
A very interesting idea with a lot of potential. Can you run 3 screens?

I noticed the Prometheus vid was a little choppy on the bottom left screen, is that because you edited it?
how did you get the Prometheus vid to have all the extra graphics like logos and characters? is that done in real time or did you edit the vid and have different versions of the Prometheus vid for the loaded game?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on June 02, 2017, 10:34:26 am
Well sure you could. CPWizBiz handles two screens dynamically populated. You could easy get something else populating the third. In the setup of the video, this'd be possible by using the GameEx plugin MarqueeMasher, given you another display, giving you 3 game/system related screens.

Read the comments below the youtube vid - the choppiness is due to other factors.

All the extra content is dynamically loaded on top of the video (in real time). So, CPWizBiz looks for the game logo, system logo/picture using the parameters supplied to it in the folders specified. Thus, you essentially set up the display once with placeholders and point CPWizBiz to the right folders and it does the rest, pulling in the relevant images/text/animations into the placeholders on receipt of a new game/system. On this vid, the gif (tank/xenomorph), scroller (game details text) and images (game logo/system logo/developer logo) are all automatically populated over the top.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on June 02, 2017, 01:18:55 pm
Stigzler, t his is exactly what i was referring to...making the screens functional makes them worth the effort.

With all these screen you might want to to look at pinball X as a front end as it allows you to use 4 screens for all sorts of goodies, can be used for mame games as well.

TerryRed has a demo on this for his Pinkadia cab.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Nephasth on June 02, 2017, 08:08:22 pm
I hate everything about this. :P
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on June 02, 2017, 09:31:59 pm
I have a feeling that playing arcade games is a secondary feature on this thing.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on June 02, 2017, 09:37:04 pm
I hate everything about this. :P
luckily im not making it for you then ;) totally get its not for everyone. and im being very experimental here

About the extra functional screens, the whole point of having the screen in portrait orientation was to not need additional screens. Everything will be on the overaly: all instructions, control layout, marquee, bezel artwork etc. And i still plan to do it that way. the control panel has illuminated buttons where only the ones used in the game will light up and for neogeo game they will be the right colours. Im thinking that with a video background it might be cool to repeat the button layout and maybe some game info text and maybe cheats/codes like secret characters on fighting games etc
for now Ill use the RPi Zeros and loop a simple video. I'm thinking it will take awhile to explore the other idea

I have a feeling that playing arcade games is a secondary feature on this thing.
well it will also have consoles. it more of an overall gaming cabinet
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on June 02, 2017, 09:46:11 pm
But can you play Galaga on any of the mini screens?


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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on June 02, 2017, 10:47:50 pm
But can you play Galaga on any of the mini screens?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on June 02, 2017, 11:11:28 pm
But can you play Galaga on any of the mini screens?


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K7fCQlUhj0

That is one bad ass video, my man!!


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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on June 03, 2017, 11:18:55 pm
lol love the vid! how people find this stuff is awesome.
But can you play Galaga on any of the mini screens?

well I have raspberry pi's running them so technically possible, just wouldn't have audio. but yeah thats a bit much even for me lol
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on June 14, 2017, 03:12:42 am
So my long weekend has come and passed. While I got a lot done, I was unable to get as far as I wanted. I keep forgetting to take photos so apologies for the lack of photos.

last time most of the edges of the particle board were sealed and primed. Turns out I missed a few, no biggy did them as well and painted the ones that were ready with black enamel, which takes 16hrs to dry but is a stronger finish. unfortunately, that did mean I had to wait for things to dry. In the meantime, the new parts for the control panel with screens were cut. the remaining acrylic parts were also cut. all panels that needed T-moulding were routed.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4275/35128543452_0632e3ed51.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4210/34907634820_297153dc1c.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4204/35254737296_ae96d65a2e.jpg)

The side panels and control panel top were also assembled. We used a really strong silicone to combine the 3mm composite board with the 12mm mdf. The control panel required a bit of prework with inserts added and some screws for the screens

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4247/35128551722_b15cba181f.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4241/35317872655_a3555d0087.jpg)

I do have a photo of the side panel assembled with the leds inserted and tested.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4218/34907640840_183b6e9b26.jpg)

the next part is the hard part. And neither of us know how we are going to do it. We need to run the clear silicone over the leds while also securing the t-moulding while not getting the silicone everywhere and also making sure the t-moulding is flush and not bulging in some places. This is more difficult with all the curves. We have a few ideas but have decided to leave it for the next time I go up there. In the meantime, we need to come up with some strategies.

In other news
I knew I would have extra material left over and since i was already getting new parts cut out anyway I figured I'd get my bartop statted. I always wanted a bartop for my desk at work. So I quickly designed and created one based on this one

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4260/35132556882_9b1b19482f.jpg)

When I saw this bartop, I loved how modern and slick it looked. especially the flush screen and marquee. So here is my design for a single player version with a 10.1 inch screen (bought this screen at the same time as the screens for the control panel)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4265/35165140941_6461a79180.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4280/35165141161_2cf89b553b.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4262/35165141101_dce05d54cd.jpg) (https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4195/35128591262_3c619b3c9a.jpg)

so this one cost nothing to cut since I already had the material and was already cutting out parts. Even if I had to buy the material, the sheet of mdf this fits on is $8. Still have to pay for the joystick, buttons, speakers, screen, art etc. All the details will be in this thread for this build (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,154544.0.html). I'm calling this build Chibi for anyone who is interested
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on June 19, 2017, 08:58:16 am
Nice progress... Can't wait to see some more pics.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on June 20, 2017, 07:04:22 pm
We are in Colorado this week and stopped at the Penny Arcade in Manitou Springs last night.  My wife and kids were having a ball playing this new Galaga game which reminded me of your build.  They want me to build one now and my wife specifically called out the lit t-molding.      :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: thomas_surles on June 20, 2017, 07:48:03 pm
We are in Colorado this week and stopped at the Penny Arcade in Manitou Springs last night.  My wife and kids were having a ball playing this new Galaga game which reminded me of your build.  They want me to build one now and my wife specifically called out the lit t-molding.      :cheers:

Just checked that out on YouTube. Looks amazing. That's a modern galaga done right. (The game anyway)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: wp34 on June 20, 2017, 07:56:30 pm
We are in Colorado this week and stopped at the Penny Arcade in Manitou Springs last night.  My wife and kids were having a ball playing this new Galaga game which reminded me of your build.  They want me to build one now and my wife specifically called out the lit t-molding.      :cheers:

Just checked that out on YouTube. Looks amazing. That's a modern galaga done right. (The game anyway)
I was surprised how fun it was. My son plays a lot of Galaga and he loved it. We are going to dump $5 into it later.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2017, 08:21:35 am
Any Monolith progress?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on July 28, 2017, 07:19:55 pm
I know its been like a month! bloody this chito guy is slacking off. lol my sign maker friend got swamped with work so he has been out of action for about 1month. Ive just arrived at his place to hopefully finish of the assembly this weekend. we also have a plan of attack for the t-moulding. Hopefully this time ill remember to take more photos!

in other news im having the worst time with paradise arcade. they are very helpful but super slow! ive messaged them 3 times in the last 2 weeks and they never reply. ive had my order on hold for 4 months i think, waiting for parts that were out of stock. its back in stock finally and they still havent replied or shipped it. i have to keep chasing them. its happened so many times now
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on July 28, 2017, 07:27:36 pm
I am glad the project is still alive.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on July 28, 2017, 07:41:09 pm
Me three. Looking forward to seeing Galaga, Pitstop and Arkanoid playing simultaneously on the three sub screens whilst Space Invaders plays on the main screen.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on July 29, 2017, 01:54:45 am
 :droid :droid :droid
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: JudgeRob on July 30, 2017, 10:11:47 pm
Yeah, I've played that Galaga too.  It was kind of fun but not very hard and really short.  I'd like to see the lighted moudling on this one and how it turns out.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 01, 2017, 12:21:00 pm
Build Update
Awesome weekend! very productive. We had so many dramas assembling this and yes this build is super over engineered. One of the biggest issues I caused for my self is that I didn't give the Tee joints enough clearance so we had to sand most of them and fix some holes with a router. There were a few things that when I was designing this build I wasn't sure how I was going to solve, but thanks to my mate we solved them all and it came out great. Also, there was a lot of assembling things just for the fit and screwing things in place and then unassembling so we could do another section

So the build is designed to break into 5 sections. This is so its easier to transport, get through doors etc. All 5 sections will be assembled on location.
the 5 sections are
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2852/34139864116_5fc3cd2202.jpg)

The base
So starting from where I left off last time, The first section I tackled was the base. The tower part was starting to take shape, I glued and reinforced the ply wood and back panel for the tower. Then I added other pieces for the base as a kind of dry fit checking angles and general fit

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/36303224275_3714d0fc2c.jpg)

We then lay one of the side sections down and bolted in the part that connects the base section to the side section. We used it as a template to line up the base and all the Tee joints. There was a lot fiddling around trying to get all the Tee joints lined up with their holes and fit. We had to fix some of the joints as mentioned above. This took a lot of time. But eventually, all the parts were in their correct places and played nice with the other parts. When I was happy we then locked them in place using screws and an aluminium angle we customised to be the inside shape of the base.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4291/36136798282_41a658e480.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4309/35468679754_1718c01767.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/36303292865_6a510e97eb.jpg)

Once we finished this first side we unbolted the base from the side panel, flipped it over and repeated the process for the other side. before you knew it we had spent all day on just the base section!

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4313/35468693924_c312ecb2a2.jpg)

the next day I went to the hardware store and bought a sheet of propeller plate which we then cut and shaped to add as the kick plates for the base

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4321/35468720474_c2535b6d91.jpg)

Speaker grille
So while the glue was drying on the kick plates, we moved on to the Grill that will cover the speakers. I ordered a nice textured speaker cloth just for this. I've added canvases to a frame before but my mate had way more exp at it so I let him do it having done it hundreds of times, even had the special tools for it. We later attached the grill to Tv cabinet section with some screws and pieces of aluminium angle.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4300/36261849876_4d373e0832.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4316/35909161240_c96e5f3ce1.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4314/35909160970_6f2f3dd9c5.jpg)

TV cabinet
We finished off the base section by adding the power cable, back panel and lid. To do so we had to put it back into the side sections and line it up. Again once the pieces played nice, it was secured the other panels and the base with screws and an aluminium angle.

So while everything is on its side we got to work on the TV cabinet section. We used the same process as the base section. The ply frames were already bolted in and so the pieces of the TV cabinet were placed into their holes and once they played nice with each other. We screwed them in place and to the ply wood frame using screws and lots of aluminium angle pieces

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4324/36170107321_3a52643960.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4292/36169990361_25ce22b449.jpg)

it was finally starting to take shape! end of day 2. It looks like ill be able to get the arcade done this weekend finally! or at least not need to drive the 4hrs each way to my mate's place to work on it.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4325/36303566655_4a3d5bb6d4.jpg)

TV
So one of the biggest challenges I knew this build was going to have was how we were going to mount and align the TV. I had a few ideas in my head and I designed it so we could play with a few options. I had 2 TV brackets ready to go, but in the end, we custom made one from galvanised heavy duty slotted steel.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4291/36169999621_b8511ea43b.jpg)

We then placed the arcade on its side to mount the new frame. we first aligned it horizontally and screwed the frame to the ply. We then aligned it vertically by moving the TV in the slots and tightening when we were happy. Once we finished mounting the TV we added the wheels to the base.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4315/36136844552_2abfd65c2b.jpg)

this was another issue I was debating on how to solve. Originally I wanted castor wheels and leg levellers as most cabinets have. But I couldn't find good ones, at least not when I was designing this arcade. One of my original ideas was to use mini dollys that would be screwed the base and leg levellers. In the end, I went for some small caster wheels that I could spread the load over and had brakes.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4302/35909188220_a0b530c90b.jpg)

Let there be light
And with the Cabient build is done! well almost. Decided to have some fun with it ;)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4327/35469181084_c9da01b87e.jpg)

Once that photo op was over, my time was coming to a close. I need to drive home it was going to get home by midnight. SO we cleaned up and packed up but before I left we decided to tackle the last remaining items, the thing that stands out the most about this build... the LED t-moulding.

So we had a plan of attack.
and that's what we did. But it's never that easy, turns out the adhesive on the back of the LED strip was rubbish so we ended up hot glueing it down.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4294/35496943543_864817cf6e.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4328/35497190823_c56d084c40.jpg)

I also have vid but ill have to upload it and add later ;)

So with that, I was done and had to leave. The side sections need the LEDs to be done but my mate said he would take care of it. He also has to print out and apply the artwork. When everything is ready I will then drive up there the last time to collect it and bring it home! I will add the electronics at home. No point doing it there and risking something breaking in transportation.

ParadiseArcade order
in other news, I'm still having the worst time with ParadiseArcade. it will be 3 weeks since they last replied to my ticket and order. The last thing said was "sorry for the delay, this should go out tomorrow" and then they disappeared, they are not replying to anything. They do it so often, my whole support ticket conversation is them disappearing for days and weeks. takes forever to get an answer. It's so pretty frustrating. My order was ready 3 weeks ago and it's probably sitting on a shelve somewhere. I shouldn't need to chase them up about my order. I even had to chase them up to get the invoice so I could pay for it
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: lilshawn on August 01, 2017, 12:23:45 pm
 :cheers:

lookin' good!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: s_busby_uk on August 01, 2017, 12:25:34 pm
How did you settle on the font for Monolith out of interest? It is literally the exact same one I used for my own Monolith-named build!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on August 01, 2017, 12:45:25 pm
You are the man Chito! You took all of the ballbusting in stride. You stuck to your vision. This thing is going to get done. :applaud:

 
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 01, 2017, 01:35:44 pm
Slap your build pics up on google pics or something too so we can see them full size.
Going good guns and looking impressive.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on August 01, 2017, 01:45:23 pm
You are the man Chito! You took all of the ballbusting in stride. You stuck to your vision. This thing is going to get done. :applaud:

Who says the ballbusting is over? :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: rablack97 on August 01, 2017, 07:59:06 pm
Quote
ParadiseArcade order
in other news, I'm still having the worst time with ParadiseArcade. it will be 3 weeks since they last replied to my ticket and order. The last thing said was "sorry for the delay, this should go out tomorrow" and then they disappeared, they are not replying to anything. They do this so often! my whole conversation is them disappearing for days and weeks. takes forever to get an answer. It's so damn frustrating! my order was ready 3 weeks ago and it's probably sitting on a shelve somewhere. Why I need to chase them up about my order and remind them is already rubbish

Did you try calling the number on the site, Sue is very responsive on all my orders.  You do have to check up, it's a mom and pop shop man.  They do get swamped and lose track of orders here and there, but if you call and your nice to Sue, she will come through for ya.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: JudgeRob on August 02, 2017, 12:06:40 am
I had some delays with them but they came through.  You might have to reach out again.

Looking seriously good though.  I really like the video bezels with the extra space.  Did you consider a dimmer for the lighted moulding?  Might get a little bright on the peripheral vision...

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 02, 2017, 12:18:43 am
Slap your build pics up on google pics or something too so we can see them full size.
Going good guns and looking impressive.
All my photos are in 2 Flickr galleries, You can view/download at any size you want :)
Actual build https://www.flickr.com/gp/9447776@N02/23601P (https://www.flickr.com/gp/9447776@N02/23601P)
Images/photos/designs/concepts used in forum https://flic.kr/s/aHskJ915jS (https://flic.kr/s/aHskJ915jS)

Did you try calling the number on the site, Sue is very responsive on all my orders.  You do have to check up, it's a mom and pop shop man.  They do get swamped and lose track of orders here and there, but if you call and your nice to Sue, she will come through for ya.
I had some delays with them but they came through.  You might have to reach out again.
I'm talking to Susan now :) it's getting sorted. She even reviewed my ordered and offered more advice. I didn't realize it was a small business. Their online presence is like that of a well-established company. Looks like it will be shipped tomorrow :)

Did you consider a dimmer for the lighted moulding?  Might get a little bright on the peripheral vision...
The LED controller already supports dimming ;) all sorted. But this has given me an idea... maybe look into getting the LED brightness to adjust to the rooms ambient lighting. Like how smart phones etc adjust to the environment.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 02, 2017, 04:42:57 am
How did you settle on the font for Monolith out of interest? It is literally the exact same one I used for my own Monolith-named build!
It was one of a few fonts I was looking at. I went to dafonts, typed "MONOLITH Monolith" into the preview and went looking. I wanted a font that was sci-fi ish and clean. the Prometheus font was the nicest. Funny thing was the whole artwork for this cab is a blend of the Retro/Prometheus/2001 space odyssey. A mad coincidence I didn't realise till later.

http://www.dafont.com/prometheus.font?text=MONOLITH+Monolith (http://www.dafont.com/prometheus.font?text=MONOLITH+Monolith)

One final note, I didn't actually use the Prometheus font in the end, kinda. When I looked into the font's paths there were uneven limbs and some letters were bigger than others and few other things that annoyed me. My OCD made me recreated it, I cleaned it right up. Wasn't hard since it's a simple enough font
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: s_busby_uk on August 02, 2017, 02:31:27 pm
 
How did you settle on the font for Monolith out of interest? It is literally the exact same one I used for my own Monolith-named build!
It was one of a few fonts I was looking at. I went to dafonts, typed "MONOLITH Monolith" into the preview and went looking. I wanted a font that was sci-fi ish and clean. the Prometheus font was the nicest. Funny thing was the whole artwork for this cab is a blend of the Retro/Prometheus/2001 space odyssey. A mad coincidence I didn't realise till later.

http://www.dafont.com/prometheus.font?text=MONOLITH+Monolith (http://www.dafont.com/prometheus.font?text=MONOLITH+Monolith)

Ha, yup that's probably what I did too. Great minds etc!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 04, 2017, 12:30:39 am
Okay, so I've been asked to share the control panel for anyone who wants to make their own. I've gone ahead and created the following in Fusion 360 which is a clean model with a version that is flat packed.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4442/36318244026_b3f1d24aec.jpg)

you can download the file here
http://a360.co/2hsc1Ae (http://a360.co/2hsc1Ae)
can be downloaded as F3D, Inventor 2016, IGES, SAT, SMT, STEP, DWG, DXF, STL, FBX, Sketchup, OBJ

I've also attached a Zip file that contains the DXF and EPS files so you can print them out on paper and glue to wood to cut them out. Thw same files can be used by CNC machines. One thing to note is that these formats don't contain info for miter cuts, most CNC are only 3 axis machines and only do a few types of cuts. so you'll have have cut the miter joints yourself. reference http://multicam.ca/5-types-of-cutting-in-cnc-routing/ (http://multicam.ca/5-types-of-cutting-in-cnc-routing/)

in the EPS file
black line is male (outside) cut  - do last
black fill is female (inside) cut
red is area clearence (depth) cut approx 10-13mm or whatever suits ur inserts

The control panel is designed for 16mm material, the joystick holes are for M5 inserts (used by GroovyGear). The front of the control panel has an opening for a panel mount for whatever you want. I've added the holes for 4 x Neutrik USB sockets.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4386/36225979621_84189a7e7f.jpg)

assembly is as follows. Note you don't need to cut out the purple piece, it's an annoying piece to cut but it may help with lining things up

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/36194146722_63b380c7a4.jpg)

There are a few miter joins you will need to cut 4 x 45deg and 8 x 60 deg as indicated by this image

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4430/36193504992_e3363fd12c.jpg)

You can edit the control panel to your heart's content using the Fusion 360 link above. The wood thickness is 16mm using the parameter "t" if you want to use a different thickness wood simply update this parameter and the whole model will update. The button hole size is also a parameter "buttons", I'm using iL buttons which have a mounting hole size of 28mm but I used a value of 29.5 otherwise the hole is too tight so it's a good idea to include some clearances in some places and on that note there is a "clearance" parameter of 0.3. Note that any edit you make to the model will mean you have to re-export the DXF file and recreate the EPS files
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on August 04, 2017, 05:05:04 am
You can cheat and cut mitre joints with a 3 axis by using a v groove bit.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 04, 2017, 06:16:37 am
Don't know why but I totally forgot about that. I've seen 45 deg bits plenty but so far haven't seen a 60 deg bit but they must be out there.

Also, I forgot to mention that the above design was created with a 6mm bit in mind. This of course can be changed in the parameters. Just note that your bit needs to be smaller than the smallest hole or you could just multiple bits which depending on your machine could be annoying.

When I was working on mine I just used a compound mitre saw
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 08, 2017, 08:07:34 am
Updates

Side sections
The artwork has been printed and the side panels are dressed. I created the designs on a colour calibrated screen but it still printed a little strong on the blue/cyan channel. This could be due to a few reasons like the printer not being calibrated, using the incorrect CYMK profile or even the camera and lights the photo was taken in. Still, I'm very happy with how it turned out. A few weeks back we printed scaled test run versions to test the colour and I was happy with them back then, they turned out great.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4436/36042399900_4a8ea1c3a7.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4398/35631486033_08b7ce587e.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4347/35631485523_63f3b44dcf.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4436/36042398870_8fd0a7ceb5.jpg)

We have decided to change how we will do things a bit. The original plan was to add the t-moulding and silicone and then the artwork. This would prevent the artwork from getting stained from the silicone or getting damaged by having to remove the excess. This is what we did to the control panel. The new plan is to add the artwork first and cover it with a protective film, then the silicone and t-moulding will we applied and the protective film peeled off essentially working like masking tape. This new method will allow the artwork to be lined up and the edges trimmed perfectly and cleanly. This is harder to do with the t-moulding already in place. Luckily the control panel is a smaller piece so shouldn't be too much work to line up the artwork and clean the edges.

ParadiseArcade Order
Yesterday my package arrived with everything in order and it marks the final items on my bill of materials that were pending! happy days. Susan and Ben were a huge help getting my order sorted. They even threw in Hawaiian Host dark chocolate which was a pleasant surprise and tasted great lol just wish there was more. My order was somewhat complicated and old due to some parts that were out of stock, so even when new stock came in, it got lost in the busy period caused by EVO.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 17, 2017, 10:06:24 pm
Minor Updates

The finish-line is insight but we've had to slow down working on the arcade machine for now. My mate is manning his business alone at the moment. which means he has no time. He even ended up in hospital last night with kidney stones. Ouch. he is a bit stretched at the moment. The last bits to do are resting with him

All that is pending is the t-molding really. the artwork has been applied to all parts. then it can be packed and delivered. I'll then be able to work on the internals and wire things up. because of the silicone is messy and a bit of a pain to apply its still a few hours worth of work. And the process taking a while to cure, it could still be some time before I get my hands on it.

Other options we considered were, we would have to prototype them
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 18, 2017, 05:29:37 am
The finish-line is in sight..

 :laugh2: If I had a pound for every time I said that about mine. Got news for ya, chito. If you're  bit of a perfectionist (which, from this post so far, think you may be) the cab build and hardware fit is only 25% of the build.. You wait until you get into the wonders of Front Ends, controls displays, system setups etc..  :dizzy:

As for the T-Moulding, a couple of thoughts:


Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 18, 2017, 05:37:55 am
wait until you get into the wonders of Front Ends, controls displays, system setups etc..  :dizzy:

got all that stuff sorted already while I was waiting ;) I haven't been sitting on my hands. Even knocked out another build lol in the mean time. might take up learning another language now as well.
I still have to sort out the LED programming, ill do that once everything is wired up.

Yeah there are few possible solutions for the t-moulding, it's more than just diffusing the lights, it needs to grip the t-moulding and the channel, bonus if it's heat-resistant and easy to change if it needs repairs. Thats why the silicone was what i went for and its sooooo cheap, super cheap
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 18, 2017, 05:43:34 am
Ah, so you have all the Type-X and Nessica games setup already. Alongside getting the Atari ST, Acorn Archimedes and Sega Saturn running flawlessly? And, of course, you have all the individual game controls and artwork setup for each game? If so, then kudos!

Not dissing your build fella - you know I'm following with interest. Just beware of showboating because, god knows, you're in the right place to get shot down here @ byoac!

See what you mean with the t-moulding and out of ideas with that one, so good luck!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 18, 2017, 06:12:06 am
you have all the individual game controls and artwork setup for each game?
Crap I forgot about the artwork. there's heaps I have to do there. Got swepped up in other projects.

For now, I'm only going to have classic retro systems and expand later on. I think there are like 8 for now.

Yeah, I think I just word things really badly when I type. Text having no tone doesn't help either. I do appreciate the input. I had a lot of trouble in figuring out all the issues I had with this build. and it was people in this thread that helped. You can never have enough ideas. I also hope that one day someone else tries the illuminated t-moulding and finds some thing that works even better. I love that there is a community of passionate people for this.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 18, 2017, 06:35:34 am
 :cheers: - s'all about the progressive retro, fella. Keep on truckin'
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Drnick on August 23, 2017, 02:50:33 pm
Dont know if this has been mentioned in the thread before but T-molding.com do illuminated tmolding now. 

https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html (https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Malenko on August 23, 2017, 03:55:36 pm
Dont know if this has been mentioned in the thread before but T-molding.com do illuminated tmolding now. 

https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html (https://www.t-molding.com/t-molding-illuminated.html)

$4 a foot not including LEDs.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on August 23, 2017, 08:59:54 pm
And it looks like ass when lit. Just hot glue rope lights to the sides, it's cheaper and looks the same.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: JudgeRob on August 24, 2017, 05:18:00 pm
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Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: JudgeRob on August 24, 2017, 05:19:28 pm
I know LEDs are supposed to last forever and all, but if one fails it would be a PITA to fix it, especially if glue is used...

And yeah, that t-moulding does not look good when unlit and does not look diffused enough for when it is lit.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 24, 2017, 07:41:55 pm
Yeah the LED T-moulding has come up. and yeah i dont like it. I see it on machines in the wild and it always looks crap. EL wire has also been suggested but that has its own limitations and issues. I wanted and even glow.

Even though a lot of work has gone into this build i really do consider this a prototype, especially the sides where the lit t-moulding goes. im still trying to make it and final as i can amd as close to my vision. but I will probably revist this issue at a later stage with an even better solution.

So currently as it stands, say i need to replace the whole strip of LEDs. ripping out the silicone, ripping out rhe LEDs, add new silicone and re set the t-moulding isnt hard persay but does take time and is heaps messy. At the moment I really just want to finish this build lol

LEDs arent forever, they do have many many hours of life but. Things like ventilation and heat will definitely affect their life span. which this solution doesnt help. So I fulky expect there to be issues later on. hopefully by then Ill have a better solution. even if i don't  im hoping i can get a few good years out of this before I need to redo all the leds
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 24, 2017, 08:47:31 pm
http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-LED-Glow-Tubing/ (http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-LED-Glow-Tubing/)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5M-Flexible-Strip-Light-Transparent-EL-Wire-Rope-Tube-For-Car-Christmas-Lighting-Party-Battery-Lights/1402328409.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5M-Flexible-Strip-Light-Transparent-EL-Wire-Rope-Tube-For-Car-Christmas-Lighting-Party-Battery-Lights/1402328409.html)

https://guide.alibaba.com/shop/arksen-50-feet-flexible-led-neon-with-clear-pvc-tubing-holiday-rope-light-green_61375169.html (https://guide.alibaba.com/shop/arksen-50-feet-flexible-led-neon-with-clear-pvc-tubing-holiday-rope-light-green_61375169.html)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 24, 2017, 10:26:44 pm
these are cool ideas. especially the PVC tubing one, that looks the most promising, must try to find an RGB version and its dimensions. Or make it myself
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on August 25, 2017, 08:11:58 am
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Waterproof-full-color-changing-ws2812b-dmx_60659492704.html (https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Waterproof-full-color-changing-ws2812b-dmx_60659492704.html)
?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chris77 on August 29, 2017, 03:22:33 pm
Hey Chito,

your cab totally rocks! I love your attention to detail  :cheers: :applaud:

cheers
Chris
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on August 30, 2017, 02:40:47 am
Cheers Chris
I put a lot of effort into this machine, I wanted to create something that would ease my Arcade itch. I get a lot of ideas and always want to make things, this cab is a whole bunch of that all in one so I don't have to later go, "I wish my cab had this or that".
Hate that this has stalled, the hardware part of it is so close to being done.


Thanks for all the suggestions stigzler, It would be good to get my hands on some that stuff and see how much can be done with it/hack it, in terms of shape especially. Maybe wedging it in the channel would be enough? hmm, I think I would still need something to cover up the machined edges. But it's good to see there is stuff out to mess with.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on September 12, 2017, 11:39:24 am
Update

So last time I was at my mate's workshop. I had to leave so I could make my 4hr drive home and get home before midnight. We got a lot done and had just applied the LEDs, silicone and t-moulding to the control panel when I had to leave. So the pending items were:

So my friend offered to take care of the rest so that I didn't have to make the trip back. Did I mention he is a top bloke?
While he did manage to get some stuff done, it turns out that he ended up getting swamped with work, he was left on his own to run the business as his parents (who are part owners) had to fly overseas for a family emergency. He ended going to hospital for Kidney stones. So he wasn't having the best of times. So I decided to drive up and help him, once we cleared things up we would finish off what was left.

Lessons learned
So with the control panel, we used a natural cure silicone, which took forever to set! I'm talking about 4-5 weeks. So we switched to an acetic cure silicone which doesn't need air and also sets faster than natural cure. So because we were using a new silicone we weren't sure if the colour of it once set would be different. didn't want the control panel blue to be different to the side panels blue, so we removed the t-moulding and silicone from the control panel and reapplied. came out pretty easily.

Side panels
My mate had already applied the artwork and trimmed the edges. He also applied masking tape around the edges to protect the art from the process.

like before we embedded the LEDs in the channel and applied the silicone and t-moulding. Doing it in sections, we prepped the t-moulding, added the silicone pinned down the t-moulding and then tapped it down so that it sets nice and firm.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4410/37178681635_ff91d75074.jpg)

in the photo, you can see the little bartop build which I was also able to finish this weekend.

Control Panel
So with the artwork printed, we applied it, trimmed all the edges and then let it dry. Once dried we applied the silicone and t-moulding in the same way as the side panels. Because the control panel has tighter corners and curves we decided the wrap the whole thing in packing shrink so that it would make thing tighter and help hold the t-moulding in place while it set.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4414/36989043116_9d5612cf45.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4366/36989041246_b279b6c9fd.jpg)

And with that, we were done! cabinet is built! although in sections lol. now to get it home and wire everything up.

Packing
So we have another friend who has a huge trailer, and he frequents the journey to where my mate lives and my city. We organised to get his help, he is on holiday at the moment to once he gets back and is settled he will bring it down. In the mean time, the silicone will set so it works out well.

So to get it ready we packed the pallet. once we had everything where we wanted it, we wrapped it in so much shrink wrap to make it as sturdy as possible.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/36989042396_f9273f7604.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4440/36989041846_55b510a688.jpg)



Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: markc74 on September 12, 2017, 07:55:47 pm
I get a lot of ideas and always want to make things, this cab is a whole bunch of that all in one so I don't have to later go, "I wish my cab had this or that".

Welcome to the club  :cheers: I remember saying (cab -3) was everything I wanted and wouldn't need to build another...!

Followed your build from the start - initially just as a wtf thing but I like your vision. Not something I would build (or more truthfully, not what I would think to build) but it's definitely grown on me and I can see it being a lot of fun. You've put a lot of thought, effort and skill into this and I'm really looking forwards to seeing the final cab.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on October 16, 2017, 08:37:09 am
Any updates? I would love to see pics of this thing put together!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 16, 2017, 05:51:41 pm
unfortunately nothing has happened since my last post. the guy who was going to trasnport the pallet went on holiday the weekend we finished it. so i had to wait. then October came around but its a really full on month for me so i doubt ill be able to do anything till Nov im affraid. plus i still need to make room for it at my place.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 22, 2017, 09:38:41 am
This may be of interest for your Tmolding deliberations:

https://youtu.be/AZF07D_T2Ug

He tears it down so you can see how it operates.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on October 22, 2017, 10:15:45 am
stigzler That's pretty awesome. The only problem I see with them is with the LEDs mounted on the side (which is a clever idea) it won't curve around corners because its designed to fold in on itself along the sides and not the bottom. but there must be one with the LEDs along the bottom. it would be cool to experiment and see how effective it would be on corners, especially tight ones. Still, you new the limitation of it from the beginning you could design a cab appropriately to accommodate of it.

Do you know if anyone is using this in a build or has exp with it?
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on October 22, 2017, 10:17:09 am
Just go full Neon. "go for broke" <- lol  >:D
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 22, 2017, 12:16:35 pm
Do you know if anyone is using this in a build or has exp with it?
Nope
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on February 07, 2018, 07:27:54 am
Did this beast ever get finished? I really wanted to see the end result.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on February 07, 2018, 06:32:39 pm
It fell on him during production. The end result wasn't pretty.....
 :censored:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Arroyo on February 07, 2018, 07:01:10 pm
It fell on him during production. The end result wasn't pretty.....
 :censored:

:laugh2: soda through the nose on that one.

Seriously though I second Mike, was an interesting project and was looking forward to the results.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on February 07, 2018, 11:27:16 pm
its been a while since I last posted an update, September in fact. Things are still moving along just very slowly. Took a break from all my projects to enjoy the Aussie summer, I've been doing a lot of snorkeling and harassing ocean life with my GoPro. Also bought a new property so that kept me busy for a while. Things have finally started to settle and I was already gathering all my parts and getting organized.

But that's not say nothing has happened.

Update

Finally got delivered
So it took awhile for things to line up before I could get the arcade delivered 400km by a friend for free and save myself about $200 dollarydoos. But eventually it got delivered and I started assembling it again. I had to do on my own which turned out to be harder than I thought as some parts are not only heavy but also big. I also got stuck when for some reason parts that fit together at my friend's workshop for some reason didn't when I got it to my apartment. With everything else going on in my life it was left as this huge thing in my dining room/kitchen for I think 3 weeks lol

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4707/40143563871_fdc2b931e0.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4697/40143534331_8a08bddd18.jpg)

good news it's not all together and upright in its new spot, ready for the electrical work to start. on that note.

What is the best way to mount a computer in a cab?
I was planning to remove the motherboard from the tower and have it screwed to an MDF board along with the hard drives, much like wall mounted computers are.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4724/28363823439_cd87ef94c8.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4766/26270391678_9f4ba8d519.jpg)

but now I'm thinking just place the whole tower in there sideways and be done with it. A guy my local comp store told me the tower is designed to absorb some vibrations that would otherwise affect hardware and prevent vibration noise. so I'm still not sure how I will do this. But it would be cool to have easy access to the internal hardware but then again maybe it would be rare that I need so much access... still if anyone knows a great way to solve this, that would be very helpful.

Artwork
So in the past, I wanted to create a screen that mimics an upright cabinet with a bezel and speakers like this

(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/30160734574_bc079f90df.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4181/34270757842_e907317325.jpg)

but then I realised that it doesn't really match this cabinet as it not really based on a traditional upright cabinet. The guys I got the idea off intended it suit cabs like this

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4720/26270503808_4570565fa0.jpg)

So ive been messing around with the design. There is so much room to play with, seems like a waste to not use it better so I made a few variations and showed some friends for some feedback

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4619/25271612317_30ce1dccd3_c.jpg)

the one that got the most positive feedback was this one

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4662/39431887984_21be70d630.jpg)

And I've made a few other draft versions of the other systems just to see what it would look like

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4723/40143629161_ef75c1ed28.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4722/39431883254_b52b06b2cf.jpg)

Then I thought it might be better to have the play area more in the center so I made these

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4615/26269924578_2f35d2047f.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4629/40144917621_1a6b139182.jpg) (https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4712/28364855269_b98ff85566.jpg)

anyway this is where im at... still going to play around with the layout because it still doesnt feel right
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on February 08, 2018, 03:33:36 am
Good to see that you got the second dining room table installed and functional. Congrats, dude!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on February 08, 2018, 06:03:09 am
Just throw the whole computer in the cab.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: smass on February 08, 2018, 08:47:39 am
Good to see that you got the second dining room table installed and functional. Congrats, dude!  :cheers:

I thought that was a wet bar....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on February 08, 2018, 10:21:45 am
Its a 1:1 model of the USS Nimitz.
Title: Re: Pixel Playcade - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: barrymossel on February 08, 2018, 10:51:36 am
this could very well be done by end of this year.

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41M2ilfzTWL._SY300_.jpg)
LOL
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on February 08, 2018, 11:21:01 am
Chito, you’re going to Idea Man yourself to death. Just get ‘er dun.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on February 08, 2018, 11:47:51 am
I like the part where he drops thousands on a cabinet, brags about his investment properties, and then mentions he screwed a friend into free delivery. 

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on February 08, 2018, 12:47:46 pm
I like the part where he drops thousands on a cabinet, brags about his investment properties, and then mentions he screwed a friend into free delivery. 

 :cheers:

and that is how he affords to spend thousands on a drinks bar?

(http://torontorealtyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/GreedIsGood.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on March 12, 2018, 12:36:28 pm
Its time for your monthly update Chito!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on March 22, 2018, 09:57:38 am
Chito. We need an update. I want to see that monster lit up in all its glory.

You put a lot of work into this project. I hope it was completed.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on March 22, 2018, 10:07:58 am
(http://www.niftymonkey.uk/HPServerPublic/Forums/BYOAC/1.1261511267.white-elephant.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on March 22, 2018, 10:26:08 am
Clearly, the machine toppled over and killed him. Every time you guys bump this, it makes me sad. Pour one out for Chito, please.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: SNAAKE on March 22, 2018, 10:30:14 am
r.i.p
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on March 22, 2018, 10:31:13 am
Clearly, the machine toppled over and killed him. Every time you guys bump this, it makes me sad. Pour one out for Chito, please.

It will have to be a tall boy.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on March 22, 2018, 10:38:25 am
Clearly, the machine toppled over and killed him. Every time you guys bump this, it makes me sad. Pour one out for Chito, please.

It will have to be a tall boy.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180322/f314375ac41a3fcc23105d3f78e09689.jpg)
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on March 22, 2018, 10:46:47 am
I really wanted to see him finish this. Chito took criticism really well. He had a vision and he was sticking to it.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on March 22, 2018, 11:11:17 am
A guy on our local Facebook arcade group posted some pictures of neon t-molding on his Tron.

https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio (https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio)

https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen (https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen)

It still isn't quite there (I don't like the clips) but it is an improvement over previous efforts and is also kinda fun. 

The posting reminded me of Monolith.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on March 22, 2018, 11:17:52 am
Some day someone will mod the Tron arcade game so it doesn't suck.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: wp34 on March 22, 2018, 11:30:18 am
Some day someone will mod the Tron arcade game so it doesn't suck.

I played a Tron on location at an arcade last night and had a blast.  It isn't everyone's cup of tea.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on March 22, 2018, 12:06:17 pm
A guy on our local Facebook arcade group posted some pictures of neon t-molding on his Tron.

https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio (https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio)

https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen (https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen)

It still isn't quite there (I don't like the clips) but it is an improvement over previous efforts and is also kinda fun. 

The posting reminded me of Monolith.

I saw that. The clips suck and the molding sits too far off the game.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on March 22, 2018, 08:11:10 pm
He should have went full on NEON!

We miss you Chito!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on March 22, 2018, 08:12:33 pm
A guy on our local Facebook arcade group posted some pictures of neon t-molding on his Tron.

https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio (https://imgur.com/gallery/8Tfio)

https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen (https://www.tinkercad.com/users/j4iDWNcy7Ak-theblen)

It still isn't quite there (I don't like the clips) but it is an improvement over previous efforts and is also kinda fun. 

The posting reminded me of Monolith.

I love it!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: system01 on April 24, 2019, 08:54:39 pm
Is this thing dead or what?  Over a year now. I'm guessing dead.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name &quot;go for broke&quot;
Post by: yotsuya on April 24, 2019, 11:45:59 pm
He got sued by Dave and Buster’s.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on April 25, 2019, 11:49:47 pm
It cant be dead it was close to being finished... sure the software side seemed like it was just starting but he had all the physical stuff done.  :dunno
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: system01 on April 26, 2019, 11:22:07 pm
It cant be dead it was close to being finished... sure the software side seemed like it was just starting but he had all the physical stuff done.  :dunno

Yeah, but his last update was over a year ago.  It looked like his hardware was near completion, and SW shouldn't take more than a couple weeks to get a partial-runner.  At first I was, "No effin' way", then it was like, "damn, he might do it", and then it was, "I had a heart attack and died, see ya".
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on September 27, 2019, 05:57:53 pm
Damn. Monolith is like the cab equivalent of Matthew Smith and Sid Barratt.
 :hissy:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: bionictoothpick on December 02, 2019, 08:25:47 am
Is there a repository of portrait mode vertical bezels as shown in the Streetfighter image posted on page 1 of the thread?

I've recently discovered the Full Single Screen pinballs, and was early in the process of building a pinball cabinet, but am tempted to just go with a new vertical option.

Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on December 02, 2019, 09:59:15 am
hey guys, I thought the interest was long gone on this build. it has been ages since I updated. I was going to finish it off quietly and then do a final update. Funny thing is I just gave a talk about this build at work as part of a presentation on the maker community.

so to update on the current status: since my last update post, I moved 3 times, which sucked. I hate moving lol. also travelled overseas a few times. things are more settled now and the arcade is, for the most part, assembled but without the electronics. Now seems like a great time to finish off this build. I'm really glad I designed the cab to be pulled apart in sections because it helped a lot when moving. all my crimping tools and supplies arrived as well.

On a side note, I also bought some 3d printers and a laser cutter to add to my arsenal of tools, and I spent some time learning and making things with them which was a fun distraction. One idea I messed around with was a coin sorting tool.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: pbj on December 02, 2019, 10:46:55 am
 :pics
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Mike A on December 02, 2019, 11:08:53 am
Back from the dead. ---fudgesicle--- yeah.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on December 02, 2019, 03:21:13 pm
---fudgesicle--- me. It's the Lazarus of arcade building. Moved 3 times? Still - at least your cab was nice and portable...  :dizzy:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Drnick on December 03, 2019, 02:02:37 am
Make sure when you finish this you do a video that uses Strauss' Sunrise as the background music  :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Arroyo on December 03, 2019, 09:11:00 am
Back from the dead, I've looked at this thread tons of times, was always hoping I'd see the final product.  Keep going chito.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on January 06, 2020, 12:25:55 am
YES!!! Santa got my letter!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: chito on January 06, 2020, 09:14:35 pm
Thanks for the support guys. it really is unexpected. This is a really farout there build.

Jan is still a busy time for me (its summer here in Aus) so I'm hoping I can knock it out in Feb.
I'm still trying to decide how I'm going to create the harnesses for easy disconnect when moving or repairing, and ideas?
If I need to order things from china it will take about a month to get here. in the meantime, I can get all the crimping etc done
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on January 07, 2020, 02:59:19 pm
"Aus" as in Australia? Christ - considering that it is made from a rainforrest's worth of timber - I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet.
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: Ian on January 09, 2020, 05:31:11 pm
"Aus" as in Australia? Christ - considering that it is made from a rainforrest's worth of timber - I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet.

too soon....
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on January 09, 2020, 05:41:42 pm
"Aus" as in Australia? Christ - considering that it is made from a rainforrest's worth of timber - I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet.

too soon....

Pah. Crispy Koalas....  >:D
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: BGoulette on January 10, 2020, 02:58:29 pm
"Aus" as in Australia? Christ - considering that it is made from a rainforrest's worth of timber - I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet.

Straight savage
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: morton on January 10, 2020, 04:48:58 pm
"Aus" as in Australia? Christ - considering that it is made from a rainforrest's worth of timber - I'm surprised it hasn't caught fire yet.

Straight savage

If there is one thing I have learned from the Aussie folk, is that they're a little more thick skinned than most and know how to take and make a joke. That said, my heart goes out to them all... Beauty country and a damn shame to see happening to good folk, much less anyone else.

Also glad to see this thread come back to life... Made my week!
Title: Re: Monolith - 55inch vertical screen - project name "go for broke"
Post by: stigzler on October 24, 2020, 05:16:05 pm
update, chito?