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Title: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 02, 2010, 01:32:57 pm: Getting ready to purchase an LCD Monitor. After much reading, it appears that all 19" monitors are really 5:4? So a true 4:3 would be to go to a 20" 1600x1200 resolution. Pretty hard to find a decent one with a 8ms response rate. All the bargains are at 19". Does this sound right? What is everyone else doing? Thanks...
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Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Blanka on February 02, 2010, 02:06:43 pm: Buy a HP LP2065
That one is IPS, so great viewing angles, even vertical, and the input-lag is almost non-existent.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-lp2065.html (http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-lp2065.html)
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: piecesof8 on February 02, 2010, 02:19:23 pm: Second the HP LP2065, though it might not be the bargain you had in mind (retail is close to $400). You can get a refurb for <$200. I watched them on ebay until I stumbled onto a new one that came without the stand and cables for about the same price that the refurbs usually sell for.

The Dell 2007fp is another 4:3 lcd with good viewing angles, but its response time is higher than what you said you're looking for.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Blanka on February 02, 2010, 02:30:45 pm: Don't count on response time figures. They are BS without good input-lag information. For example, from the modern 24 inch+ FullHD 2ms TN LCD's, many are having serious input lag from the PWM true color drivers.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Necro on February 02, 2010, 03:13:34 pm: Another vote for the LP2065. I got one off E-bay for a little over a hundred.

Definitely worth it and one of the only ones available.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: javeryh on February 02, 2010, 11:51:22 pm: 5:4s work great and look great. I have a Dell and I can barely tell the difference.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 03, 2010, 12:16:53 am: I saw the Dell 2007fp too, but I thought I read somewhere to try to stay below 8ms response time for Mame...
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Blanka on February 03, 2010, 04:15:20 am: Quote from: southpaw13 on February 03, 2010, 12:16:53 am
but I thought I read somewhere to try to stay below 8ms response time for Mame...
Don't bother response time. It's (almost) useless information. A little bit of trailing on an LCD looks at CRT ghosting in the worst case, but does not affect gameplay. Lag affects precise timing in say Donkey Kong
From fastest to slowest (there are exceptions off course):
-OLD TN panels (with 18bit colour and dithering): <5ms lag
-IPS panels: 8-16ms lag
-MVA panels: 8-16ms lag
-NEW big TN panels (>22 inch with PWM 24 bit colour simulation): 16-30ms lag
-IPS panels with extensive hardware calibration: 30ms lag
-PVA panels with overdrive: 30-45ms lag
-PVA panels with overdrive and extensive hardware calibration: 30-60ms lag

16ms is 1 frame delay, and is completely acceptable as maximum delay for serious gaming.

So regarding the Dell 2007PF:
If the serial ends with an L, its an IPS screen, and its OK, ending with an S means SPVA. That's better blacks, but more lag
The HP had similar things. It's delivered as IPS and as MVA display, but as you can see, MVA is on par with IPS for speed.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 03, 2010, 09:33:14 am: Thanks! Looks like I will go back and rethink my situation...
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 03, 2010, 08:27:05 pm: These are cheap...HP 2035

Any good?
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Ginsu Victim on February 03, 2010, 08:41:18 pm: Quote from: Blanka on February 02, 2010, 02:06:43 pm
Buy a HP LP2065
That one is IPS, so great viewing angles, even vertical, and the input-lag is almost non-existent.
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-lp2065.html (http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review-hp-lp2065.html)

That's what I use at work and I keep trying to get them to sell it to me. ;D
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Blanka on February 04, 2010, 02:45:07 am: Quote from: southpaw13 on February 03, 2010, 08:27:05 pm
Any good?
That one seems to be IPS too. Good one i think. Must be the predecessor to the 2065.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Ginsu Victim on February 04, 2010, 09:09:31 am: The 2035 is the monitor I had before the 2065. My wife is using it at her desk now. It's a great monitor and has multiple inputs (Dual DVI, S-video, RCA). It would be great in a game cab if you also want to use consoles.
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 04, 2010, 09:12:01 am: Looks like 2 votes for yes....I was just wondering because it is so much cheaper...
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 04, 2010, 09:21:05 am: For the HP 2035, will the following specs be enough to get through tinted plexi?

Contrast Ratio: 500:1
Brightness: 250 cd/m2

Thanks!!!
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Ginsu Victim on February 04, 2010, 02:43:02 pm: yes
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: southpaw13 on February 19, 2010, 10:18:33 pm: Just an update...I bought both (HP 2035 and 2065) on e-bay cheap! Lot's of good deals out there right now. With both side by side, I can't tell a difference. Great advise from a great forum...Thanks...

Southpaw
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: 1UP on February 20, 2010, 03:24:41 am: Anything bigger than 20"? I'd want at least a 25" otherwise it's better to get a 24" widescreen Dell or the WG 26" and just use the center of the screen, no? They're vertically bigger than those smaller monitors if memory serves...
Title: Re: No such thing as a 4:3 LCD Monitor?
Post by: Blanka on February 20, 2010, 04:23:10 am: The biggest 4:3 is 21.3 inch. That is exactly the same size vertical as the 24 inch 16:10 screens or the 16:9 26 inch screens.
If you want a higher image, the options are the 28 inch 16:10 TN panels, the 30 inch 16:10 IPS/PVA panels or a 32 inch TV.
I'll post this one again:
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