Build Your Own Arcade Controls Forum
Main => Consoles => Topic started by: jukingeo on December 15, 2009, 07:27:51 pm
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Part-2
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This document is still in BETA format and will still be updated. Once all errors have been corrected, I will have it made as a sticky.
Original post starts below:
Hello All,
I was looking to put together a mini arcade system that would be based on a fixed set of controls. Since it would be small, this obviously screams 'console'. However, I am not sure which systems that are out there that produce good arcade ports. I would think that something on the level of the Playstation 2 or Sega Dreamcast would have some nice options. However, I have heard the Sega Genesis is good too (but that is cartridge based and I would like something that you can easily switch between games). I have seen those "Namco Museum" or "Taito Legends" game packs, but I am wondering how they compare to the arcade games. I would be interested in a game package like this because it would allow me to play multiple games. Which console has the most ports? Which one has the better quality ports?
I am mostly after the classics such as the early 80's classics: Pac Man, Asteroids, Space Invaders, Star Wars...etc.
Thanx,
Geo
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XBOX
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XBOX bar none !
the old school XBOX with slight "alterations" has sooooooo much you can do with it/on it.
Emulators galore.
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XBOX bar none !
the old school XBOX with slight "alterations" has sooooooo much you can do with it/on it.
Emulators galore.
The Xbox, huh?
Ok, you have my attention. Do you have some links you could refer me to in regards to these alterations?
Also could you list some classic game titles?
For the most part what I would like to do is put in one of those multi-game disks and just turn on the game and go.
Is the X-Box controller easy to hack? I know there is an issue with the Playstation 2 controller if you hack the analog controls...you have to precisely match the resistor/pots used or else it will not work.
Now in terms of the PS2 and the Dreamcast, where would they fall in the line up if the XBox is on top?
I have heard that you could put a hard drive into an older style PS2 and run games off of that. That is something that interests me as I do have an extra PS2 that is of this style. Can the XBox also have a hard drive hooked up to
it?
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Ok...Hold the phone now. I saw these videos on YouTube:
MAME Arcade Cabinet Xbox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MktCD7aV58#)
MAME PS2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAvTFVmVcD0#)
Soooo, you can run Mame on a PS2 or Xbox?!?!?! If so, then that is the best news I heard all MONTH! I have been designing Mame around potential PC laptops and desktops and all the while, Mame can be run on a PS2 or XBox?
As #5 in Short Circuit says, "Ahhhh, need input, MORE input!"
Thanx,
Geo
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Also could you list some classic game titles?
Damn near everything.
Softmod the XBOX and load it with emulators. No discs needed.
Several people have built cabinets based around XBOX.
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xbox because it plays nearly any and everything and you can add a bigger hard drive and have everything on it. and its a neat media center too. I switched to xbox looooong time ago and its been great. if you care about newer games like naomi/cps3 then just add a dreamcast in there.
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Soooo, you can run Mame on a PS2 or Xbox?!?!?!
PS2 version sucks.
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I just modded a SNES controller to use on an modded Xbox for playing emulated SNES games (took a SNES and Xbox S controller to do it).
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How does the SNES emu feel in terms of latency? I tried a couple NES emulators but got tired of pressing the button and watching Mario jump a second later.
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Also could you list some classic game titles?
Damn near everything.
What I meant was in terms of game packages such as "Namco Museum" or "Taito Legends", that kind of thing.
Softmod the XBOX and load it with emulators. No discs needed.
I have read that you can also set up a PS2 to do Mame, BUT you have to hardwire mod it. I am not in the mood to tear open a console right now. So with the Xbox you DON'T need to mod it?
Are there links you could provide me with for further research on this? For some reason the search engine here is a bit lame and it doesn't find everything. Google finds more things here than this sites OWN search engine.
Several people have built cabinets based around XBOX.
I can see that. The one fellow that I linked to on YouTube did it. I do like the idea of this because I can get an old Xbox at Gamestop for $50. There is NO way I could do that with PC parts. Yet with the Xbox everything is in a nice neat package and I don't need any crazy adapters or expensive keyboard encoders.
xbox because it plays nearly any and everything and you can add a bigger hard drive and have everything on it. and its a neat media center too. I switched to xbox looooong time ago and its been great. if you care about newer games like naomi/cps3 then just add a dreamcast in there.
In terms of an 'arcade' project, I am mostly into older games from the early 90's on back. I stopped going to arcades by the mid 90's. Too many fighting and driving games these days. For newer games I mostly play RPG's and games like Myst. RCT, and games like that are not good 'cabinet' games.
Ok, so everyone has me interested in the Xbox now. So if I go to Gamestop and get one for $50, what do I do from there to set it up for Mame?
Thanx,
Geo
Soooo, you can run Mame on a PS2 or Xbox?!?!?!
PS2 version sucks.
Really? that bad huh? Well, I didn't care for the modding part. I modded a bunch of PSones a while back and I am kind of sick of playing with mod chips.
I just modded a SNES controller to use on an modded Xbox for playing emulated SNES games (took a SNES and Xbox S controller to do it).
Did you have to stick a mod chip in the thing like you do with the PS1 and 2? Or do you 'mod' an Xbox differently?
At any rate I am more interested in using the Xbox with Mame. So if there is a good (and current) procedure for doing so then I would appreciate any links.
Thanx,
Geo
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What I meant was in terms of game packages such as "Namco Museum" or "Taito Legends", that kind of thing.
They have several really good packages, including the ones you mentioned, plus the Capcom and Midway collections.
I have read that you can also set up a PS2 to do Mame, BUT you have to hardwire mod it.
There are softmod options for PS2 (though you'll need a disc like Swap Magic and a slide card or flip-top). I've been playing copied games for six years on my PS2 and I have no modchip.
So with the Xbox you DON'T need to mod it?
Softmod it. Check out xbox-scene.com (http://xbox-scene.com)
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How does the SNES emu feel in terms of latency? I tried a couple NES emulators but got tired of pressing the button and watching Mario jump a second later.
It's spot on. I'll check what version I'm running when I get home.
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Yeah, SNES gives me no lag, but NES has a slight bit. I actually prefer SNES on my XBOX over my PC. I get lag for some reason on PC.
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They have several really good packages, including the ones you mentioned, plus the Capcom and Midway collections.
Yeah, I was looking at Amazon and taking note of some packages while comparing them to videos put up on YouTube. I AM amazed that some of the packages are pretty spot on. But still the idea of setting up a console to do Mame does intrigue me. Goes to show you, you can learn something new every day!
There are softmod options for PS2 (though you'll need a disc like Swap Magic and a slide card or flip-top). I've been playing copied games for six years on my PS2 and I have no modchip.
Oh, Ok, that is good.
Softmod it. Check out xbox-scene.com (http://xbox-scene.com)
Ok, thanx I will!
Geo
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I tried a couple NES emulators but got tired of pressing the button and watching Mario jump a second later.
Queue bitching about Punch-Out in 5...4...3....
That was a Super Mario Bros ---smurfette---, thankyouverymuch.
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I tried a couple NES emulators but got tired of pressing the button and watching Mario jump a second later.
Queue bitching about Punch-Out in 5...4...3....
That was a Super Mario Bros ---smurfette---, thankyouverymuch.
That's always my test game. You KNOW how it's supposed to feel. I use SMB for NES, SMW for SNES, and Sonic for Genesis as my test games when trying any new emulator or tweaking settings.
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Exactly. We can all play finish first level of SMB with our eyes closed. It's a perfect latency test.
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Well, so much for ports. :P
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Well, so much for ports. :P
Who the ---fudgesicle--- needs ports when you can emulate the real thing?
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Well, so much for ports. :P
Who the ---fudgesicle--- needs ports when you can emulate the real thing?
Well, for those of us who want more modern arcade games and where emulation is currently far from practical for such games. Though of course, now a days the arcade-> console ports are a LOT more accurate than they once were. :)
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Well, for those of us who want more modern arcade games and where emulation is currently far from practical for such games. Though of course, now a days the arcade-> console ports are a LOT more accurate than they once were. :)
Well, that is one of the beauties about using something like the Xbox (or PS2). You could run emulators on it one sitting and then go back to the console's games the next.
BTW, guys, what can you do with the Dreamcast? Could that thing be set up for Mame too? I can get Dreamcasts pretty cheap.
Geo
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dreamcast is great for fighting games, racers, vertical/horizontal shooters, gun games, etc. and its all free. dc is dead and burried so you can get the games "online" and wouldnt really hurt anyone and they will just play as is without any mods or whatever.
there is a dreamcast version of mame but its garbage. dc is a 200mhz machine so I wouldnt expect decent emulation for it. xbox is still the best console for emulators.
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Drawback to the DC is you have to still use DVDs.
The Xbox has almost as many great arcade ports, you can rip them to an upgraded hard drive, and play them without ever swapping any discs. Plus you get all of the emulators and media center capability.
All in all the Xbox is probably your best bet unless you specifically want the Sega arcade ports.
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Drawback to the DC is you have to still use DVDs.
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Personally, I've debated building a 'PS2 Arcade'. A cab mounted with a PS2 internally and a Trinitron TV over component. Where the coin door would be, mount composite video ports and USB ports for attaching light guns, in the rear mount a firewire and ethernet port to link multiple cabs for iLink games or internet. :D
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Drawback to the DC is you have to still use DVDs.
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Umm. Yeah. DC uses CD's.
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Drawback to the DC is you have to still use DVDs.
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-1 to his google-fu
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Well, to be more accurate, DC used GD-rom (about 1gig in size), but, if you burn images properly, you can use a CD to play games.
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Well, to be more accurate, DC used GD-rom (about 1gig in size), but, if you burn images properly, you can use a CD to play games.
Yeah, I bought a DC a week before the Utopia disc dropped. It was a great time to be a DC owner. Now I own three Dreamcasts.
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Well, to be more accurate, DC used GD-rom (about 1gig in size), but, if you burn images properly, you can use a CD to play games.
Yeah, what he said. I just forgot if you could put them onto DVDs as well since I never actually burned anything for the DC. ;D
Doesn't change the main point that you still have to swap the optical media vs playing everything off a hard drive.
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Some DC compilation disks have been made... and have 3 ~ 4 games on them.
Lack of a hard drive does suck, but not too bad...
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Yeah, there are good emulator bundle ISOs out there. I had a Dreamcast Kiosk for a few months and put an NES compilation in there. It was pretty slick. The kiosk ended up way uncomfortable to use for home use, though, and had like a 12" TV in it. Just wasn't worth the space it consumed so I sold it off.
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Some DC compilation disks have been made... and have 3 ~ 4 games on them.
Ikaruga, Border Down, Psyvariar 2 and Zero Gunner 2 all on one disc, thank you please ;D
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Some DC compilation disks have been made... and have 3 ~ 4 games on them.
Ikaruga, Border Down, Psyvariar 2 and Zero Gunner 2 all on one disc, thank you please ;D
I have a shooter compilation, I can't remember what's on it. Also have a SF compilation...
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I have a 80 gb Xbox with everything you can think of on it, and it works great with the X-Arcade.
I have all 253 DC games and they play nice with the X-Arcade too so if you have no room for a cab, at least you can get away with this setup for less than $200.
I just need a GC emu for the xbox. Any suggestions?
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I just need a GC emu for the xbox. Any suggestions?
I suggest.....you don't hold your breath.
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dreamcast is great for fighting games, racers, vertical/horizontal shooters, gun games, etc. and its all free. dc is dead and burried so you can get the games "online" and wouldnt really hurt anyone and they will just play as is without any mods or whatever.
I sometimes play shooters or gun games if they are really good. (Think R-Type). I am not really good at those games and they can get nerve wracking. I hate fighters, don't play them. Same is true for driving games. Driving games is all I play when I take the kids to Chuck E. Cheese. I am fine if I don't play any 'new' driving games for the rest of my life. I still do have a soft spot for the older games like Outrun and Pole Position though. The trouble with emulating a driving game is all the massive work you have to go through to mimic the controls (if you want to go that far). You would have to LOVE driving games to necessitate a dedicated setup like that.
there is a dreamcast version of mame but its garbage. dc is a 200mhz machine so I wouldnt expect decent emulation for it. xbox is still the best console for emulators.
Yeah, I was looking for the 'hard drive' option on the DC. None to be found. Even though I can get Dreamcasts cheap, it does look like the Xbox is the best bet as it has the Hard Drive, DVD player, and most powerful computer (out of three, PS, DC).
Drawback to the DC is you have to still use DVDs.
That is what Snaake said. BTW, could you use memory sticks on consoles that have USB support? I mean nowadays you can easily get 8g to 16gig on a memory stick. You could really run mame fully off of a memory stick.
The Xbox has almost as many great arcade ports, you can rip them to an upgraded hard drive, and play them without ever swapping any discs. Plus you get all of the emulators and media center capability.
You have a site link to where I can find out how to do all this?
All in all the Xbox is probably your best bet unless you specifically want the Sega arcade ports.
Well, there are a few older Sega games that I like...like the aforementioned Outrun. Space Harrier is another. Turbo...But I could always put those on a PC Mame machine.
For the most part, right now I am after playing faithful ports (or Mame) versions of the old 80's games like Pac Man, Space Invaders, Asteroids, Phoenix, Defender, Joust, Donkey Kong...well you get the idea.
Yeah, there are good emulator bundle ISOs out there. I had a Dreamcast Kiosk for a few months and put an NES compilation in there. It was pretty slick. The kiosk ended up way uncomfortable to use for home use, though, and had like a 12" TV in it. Just wasn't worth the space it consumed so I sold it off.
That is kind of something what I would like to do. I would like to build a small cabinet that is light enough to move around. Right now my living arrangements are quite constrained and I don't have a room for a large full size machine. So I need something that I can set on a table or shelf, just something that I could quickly turn on and drop down a couple games of Ms. Pac Man or Asteroids.
Ok then, so I guess the Xbox is it then.
So I just need to dig up as much info on modding it as possible.
Thanx,
Geo
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You have a site link to where I can find out how to do all this?
Same one I gave you earlier
http://www.xbox-scene.com (http://www.xbox-scene.com)
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^ What he said...
The Xbox mod scene is huge, there is tons of info out there, just fire up google and get started.
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Just be aware that the info IS all there... but it's not organized and there are a LOT of tutorials that are years out of date with the current state of modding/homebrew.
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Yeah, which is why I'm just pointing him to where to dig. How I managed to softmod mine with all the old info out there, I'll never know.
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Same one I gave you earlier
Yeah, I am checking it out as we speak. But are there other sites besides that one?
Just be aware that the info IS all there... but it's not organized and there are a LOT of tutorials that are years out of date with the current state of modding/homebrew.
Yeah, I have noticed that with the Xbox scene site. Lots of digging to do.
Gotta run, I am off to...Well DIG! Anyone got an internet shovel?
Geo
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You may want to try digging here first. We've had more than a couple conversations about xbox modding here that may save you some time.
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This had some discussion when I was working on mine
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all)
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You may want to try digging here first. We've had more than a couple conversations about xbox modding here that may save you some time.
I was looking here for precisely like that. I didn't dig up much. X-Box Scene DOES have a ton of info, but I think what I was looking for is a more step by step procedure for taking an ordinary un-modded Xbox and then performing the necessary tasks to convert it to a Mame machine.
As of now I read that to do that you first have to convert the X-Box to a Linux machine. That is great, and I am fine with that. I use Linux anyway.
This had some discussion when I was working on mine
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all)
Great, I will check that out. Thanx for the info.
Geo
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instructables.com has some step-by-step info
Search for xbox softmod
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Sorry for not being more helpful. Once I finally completed my softmod, I forgot how to do all of that and never had a reason to look at it again.
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If you need help on the Softmod just PM me.
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As of now I read that to do that you first have to convert the X-Box to a Linux machine. That is great, and I am fine with that. I use Linux anyway.
That is definitely not accurate. There is an Xbox native port of MAME.
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Yeah you can get everything ported to run natively on the Xbox. Linux on the Xbox is an unpleasent experience. I tried it, intent on making the Xbox1 a streaming box to use an an anime convention's CCTV system for rebroadcasting event rooms to TVs around the building. The Xbox1 lacks in hardware and the ports of Linux are well out of date. Then I found the native application Xbox Media Center and that was a million times better, more effective and simpler.
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instructables.com has some step-by-step info
Search for xbox softmod
Ok, thanx for the info, will check it out.
Sorry for not being more helpful. Once I finally completed my softmod, I forgot how to do all of that and never had a reason to look at it again.
Don't be sorry, thusfar all the info you have been linking me to is helpful. I just think that for my first time out doing any kind of work with the Xbox that I would need to do it step by step. I know nothing about the Xbox as my primary gaming platform is the PS2 and that is followed by my PC.
That is definitely not accurate. There is an Xbox native port of MAME.
Really? Do you have a link for it and/or instructions on how to do it. That is my primary goal to use MAME with it. Sure a Linux Xbox computer would be cool, but I am more interested in putting Mame on the Xbox.
Yeah you can get everything ported to run natively on the Xbox. Linux on the Xbox is an unpleasent experience. I tried it, intent on making the Xbox1 a streaming box to use an an anime convention's CCTV system for rebroadcasting event rooms to TVs around the building. The Xbox1 lacks in hardware and the ports of Linux are well out of date. Then I found the native application Xbox Media Center and that was a million times better, more effective and simpler.
Xbox Media Center? What is that? Does that have anything to do with using Mame on the Xbox?
For now I just want to use the Xbox with Mame. So all I need to know is how to do that. Like I said above, a Linux computer on the Xbox would be cool, but it isn't necessary.
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Ok, I did some more digging tonight and I came across something for the Xbox called CoinOps Reignite: Showcase. I have not found a procedure to install it, but supposedly it is Mame and a front end for the Xbox. I tried to 'wiki' it but nothing really comes up.
I also came up with something called MameOX for the Xbox, but I came across threads saying this is 'Old'.
Thanx,
Geo
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Xbox Media Center? What is that? Does that have anything to do with using Mame on the Xbox?
XBMC was made as a media center dashboard for the Xbox. It do normal stuff like launch games and applications on the Xbox but it can also play DVDs, video files, audio files, still images and things like that. It can actually access videos on shared folders on your network remotely even. It makes an Xbox1 into a fairly practical standard definition media center box. Of course at 733mhz, the Xbox1 was an evolutionary dead end. XBMC is now available for Windows, Linux and Mac so you can build a PC based media center using the same application.
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Your research priority should be this:
1) XBox Media Center
2) Xbox softmodding
3) Xbox port of MAME
Frankly, if 1-3 don't suit what you're looking for, use a PC. I guarantee that if your stated desires are correct those three will do all you need and then some.
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XBMC was made as a media center dashboard for the Xbox. It do normal stuff like launch games and applications on the Xbox but it can also play DVDs, video files, audio files, still images and things like that. It can actually access videos on shared folders on your network remotely even. It makes an Xbox1 into a fairly practical standard definition media center box. Of course at 733mhz, the Xbox1 was an evolutionary dead end. XBMC is now available for Windows, Linux and Mac so you can build a PC based media center using the same application.
Wow, that sounds impressive. In the very least I could use an Xbox as a media player to play my movies through on my video projector. So XBMC does sound interesting and I would like more info on it, but for now I would like to see what it can do via Mame first.
Your research priority should be this:
1) XBox Media Center
2) Xbox softmodding
3) Xbox port of MAME
Frankly, if 1-3 don't suit what you're looking for, use a PC. I guarantee that if your stated desires are correct those three will do all you need and then some.
Mame is my MAIN intention right now. So that is what I need the most info on. However, as DJ explained XBMC above, I might be interested in that as well.
What IS the Xbox port of Mame? I found several leads. One is for Xmame-X which I found out is old and outdated. Then there is MAMEoX, which I didn't delve to deep into. Last night I found a newer one called Coin Op--Reignite.
So as it stands this is overwhelming and confusing and it looks like the more I am digging the more questions are coming up.
Basically for now I just want to most straightforward path to take to get Mame running on the Xbox.
Well, I'm off to doing more digging.
Geo
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This had some discussion when I was working on mine
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all)
Hello Ginsu,
I looked over this link this afternoon and I yet have now even more questions:
What's an Exploit, What's a Dashboard, What's XboxHDM. Is Unleashed X another Mame for Xbox? I also been reading that you need certain items to perform a softmod and one of them is a certain game?
Can I just run the Mame? Do I need to have all three items: soft mod, XBMC, & Mame to run mame roms?
I have tried to search for some more info on Xbox Scene and Google, but many times I am getting very old information or even more questions.
Basically I need a step by step guide or tutorial that will allow me to take a standard original Xbox and set it up to play Mame. That is all I would like to do for now.
So sorry to be a pain, but a little bit more hand-holding is in order, as I seem to be finding more questions rather than answers.
Oh! What happened with the BYOAC forum's search engine? Less than a year ago the search engine had so many advanced searching capabilities. Now you only have that single search bar above.
Thanx,
Geo
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Your research priority should be this:
1) XBox Media Center
2) Xbox softmodding
3) Xbox port of MAME
Frankly, if 1-3 don't suit what you're looking for, use a PC. I guarantee that if your stated desires are correct those three will do all you need and then some.
Doing even some more digging...Do I need all three of these just to run Mame? I was reading some other posts and that was the gist I was getting.
So I guess I would have to softmod the Xbox first? Then I need Xbox Media Center next and then finally Mame?
Thanx,
Geo
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You have to mod the XBox first. Either by the softmod OR via a mod chip.
After that, you need a dashboard to act as the Graphical User Interface which will allow you to install programs such as Mame.
So the mod has to come first. A dashboard is the next logical choice. Then Mame gets added to the dashboard as a program.
I posted this link in the thread that Ginsu referenced. I still think it's the easiest way to do the softmod but it depends on your comfort level. J_K_M_A_N has done more than I have using the same method.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263)
Have you read through it? If so, let us know if you have questions. Using this method, you don't need a particular game to do the softmod. You use an audio disc to help unlock the hard drive which will allow you to start playing with it.
I'd also suggest that you change the name of the thread so that some experts around here see that this is about an XBox mod now. Just a suggestion....
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This had some discussion when I was working on mine
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=90318.0;all)
Hello Ginsu,
I looked over this link this afternoon and I yet have now even more questions:
What's an Exploit, What's a Dashboard, What's XboxHDM. Is Unleashed X another Mame for Xbox? I also been reading that you need certain items to perform a softmod and one of them is a certain game?
Can I just run the Mame? Do I need to have all three items: soft mod, XBMC, & Mame to run mame roms?
I have tried to search for some more info on Xbox Scene and Google, but many times I am getting very old information or even more questions.
Basically I need a step by step guide or tutorial that will allow me to take a standard original Xbox and set it up to play Mame. That is all I would like to do for now.
So sorry to be a pain, but a little bit more hand-holding is in order, as I seem to be finding more questions rather than answers.
Oh! What happened with the BYOAC forum's search engine? Less than a year ago the search engine had so many advanced searching capabilities. Now you only have that single search bar above.
Thanx,
Geo
An exploit is a way to get your Xbox ready for the modification. See my previous post for an answer on a dashboard.
Genesim broke the search function. Blame him. >:D
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You have to mod the XBox first. Either by the softmod OR via a mod chip.
I am probably going to go softmod because I really don't think I would need to go crazy with large storage capacity now and the original hard drive should be good enough.
After that, you need a dashboard to act as the Graphical User Interface which will allow you to install programs such as Mame.
Would those "CoinOp--Reignite" things I keep running across be the dashboard?
So the mod has to come first. A dashboard is the next logical choice. Then Mame gets added to the dashboard as a program.
Ok, so far I follow.
I posted this link in the thread that Ginsu referenced. I still think it's the easiest way to do the softmod but it depends on your comfort level. J_K_M_A_N has done more than I have using the same method.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263)
Have you read through it?
Yeah, I have the link but didn't get through it all. I wasn't sure of what I needed or not since Mame was my primary objective. I didn't know if the Mame for Xbox did everything for you. Again, I am starting from square one. I never even owned an Xbox before. So I am as newbie as a newbie gets!
If so, let us know if you have questions. Using this method, you don't need a particular game to do the softmod. You use an audio disc to help unlock the hard drive which will allow you to start playing with it.
Ok, so then the hard drive locks itself down so you need some kind of disk to 'unlock it'?
I'd also suggest that you change the name of the thread so that some experts around here see that this is about an XBox mod now. Just a suggestion....
Yeah...that would be a good idea! I will probably just add it to the title...if I can.
Ok, so I will read that document tonight. Please let me know what else I need...meaning the dashboard program and the Mame program.
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello all:
Last night I picked up a used Xbox at a store called Play N Trade. They are supposedly like a Gamestop store albeit a bit cheaper. Gamestop wanted $50 for the Xbox and Play N Trade only wanted $34. It came with all the cables and one controller as well. I just got it last night so I still have to test it.
One thing for sure...the Xbox is MUCH larger than I initially thought. I guess I was so used to my smallish PS2, I wasn't expecting that. I expected it to be 1/3rd smaller in size. Well, it is still smaller than a PC and it has FOUR gamepad inputs, (as opposed to just 2 on the PS2)
I am going to test it this coming weekend (hopefully before Christmas), so I just need to know/get all the materials needed to make the mod.
General Xbox Questions:
1) The drawer on the Xbox just says "CD-Rom". I thought the Xbox used a DVD player?
2) The video outputs are standard composite. Can the Xbox do S-video and/or component output?
Thanx,
Geo
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1) The drawer on the Xbox just says "CD-Rom". I thought the Xbox used a DVD player?
It is DVD. I don't know why it says CD-Rom on yours.
2) The video outputs are standard composite. Can the Xbox do S-video and/or component output?
Yes, S-video and component both work.
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1) The drawer on the Xbox just says "CD-Rom". I thought the Xbox used a DVD player?
It is DVD. I don't know why it says CD-Rom on yours.
I am looking at a copy of the manual as we speak. Supposedly the Xbox comes with a CD player, but the DVD is an option available in a movie package. Grrrrr. I wish I would have known THAT ahead of time, then I would have specifically asked for one with a DVD.
2) The video outputs are standard composite. Can the Xbox do S-video and/or component output?
Yes, S-video and component both work.
Yes, I see that it can handle S-video with a different cable. The manual also mentions a "hi-def" package. So I am assuming that is component.
Now I am assuming that all I need to do to get the better video modes is to just get a different cable, right?
Now here is the kicker, if the Xbox can do component, could it also do SVGA? The manual didn't say anything about computer monitor hookup.
Thanx,
Geo
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You would need a converter that accepts component to vga. Edit: Or one of these http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=98976.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=98976.0)
I highly recommend the component cables. I picked up a used set of monster cables (only $5.00) at gamestop and the picture difference is just astounding.
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I suggested the priority I did based on the fact that getting XBMC installed is going to open up everything you'll need to run MAME. The process for getting to XBMC is well documented - this is the path of best instructions for you to take. Once you have that in there getting MAME to run is a cakewalk.
Plus, as with just about everyone else, once you see XBMC you will want to run it.
Trust us. We've done a lot of these.
You want the component cables for the simple fact that the Xbox can run reasonably up to 720p and upscales in the process. Can't do that without them. That's a hell of an ugprade for $5.
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I use UnleashX as my dashboard. If I press power, I get UnleashX. If I press eject to turn on, I get the default Xbox dashboard.
If you don't want XBMC, you don't have to use it (especially if it's going in a cab).
Though if this was in your living room, XBMC is a must.
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You would need a converter that accepts component to vga.
I highly recommend the component cables. I picked up a used set of monster cables (only $5.00) at gamestop and the picture difference is just astounding.
Agreed. I have noticed this with a flat screen TV I have in my home. The TV is HD ready and I bought a DVD player for it so I could play some CGI movies for my kids in the living room (there is no cable or antenna hookup in that room). Initially I had it hooked up to the composite video input, but then I wanted to hook up a VCR to the TV and it only had one set of composite video inputs. However it had two sets of component inputs. So being that the DVD player had component outputs, the logical thing to do was to move the DVD player to component and put the VCR on the composite input. Let me tell you that the picture quality enhanced more than 2 fold. I put in my kids favorite Thomas videos and the movie "Cars" and WOW, the difference WAS like night and day.
So I knew that I would want more than just the composite output of the Xbox. In the very least I would go S-video..that would at least get me near arcade quality. But I might go all the way and go component or SVGA. Going SVA I can use a standard low cost 19" monitor for my games and that would give me a nice crystal clear picture.
I suggested the priority I did based on the fact that getting XBMC installed is going to open up everything you'll need to run MAME. The process for getting to XBMC is well documented - this is the path of best instructions for you to take. Once you have that in there getting MAME to run is a cakewalk.
I did get the gist that I was going to need all three, but in order to get XBMC the Xbox would need to be modded first, so I have some instructions on doing that. The instructions I have don't need a specific game, but they want you to hotswap the box. However this method requires opening up the Xbox. I really didn't want to open the Xbox up, to be honest with you, but if I must then I must.
Plus, as with just about everyone else, once you see XBMC you will want to run it.
Does XBMC need the DVD drive? I believe I have an Xbox that just has the CD-Rom and not the DVD.
Trust us. We've done a lot of these.
Oh, the trust is there. I just need to clear the mass of confusion so as to not screw anything up in this process.
You want the component cables for the simple fact that the Xbox can run reasonably up to 720p and upscales in the process. Can't do that without them. That's a hell of an ugprade for $5.
Should I go back to the store I got the Xbox from to get that cable? Would you know of anyplace locally I can get it that isn't going to rake me across the coals (i.e. Radio Shack...they are too expensive)?
I mean I COULD order the cable as I don't really need it right away, I do have the composite cable to test things out on.
Just right now I need to learn how to do everything.
So, that said I guess the procedure would be to:
1) Soft mod the Xbox
2) Install and run XBMC (would this be the dashboard?)
3) Install Mame for Xbox (what do I look for?)
Thanx,
Geo
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I use UnleashX as my dashboard. If I press power, I get UnleashX. If I press eject to turn on, I get the default Xbox dashboard.
If you don't want XBMC, you don't have to use it (especially if it's going in a cab).
So then XBMC IS the dashboard?
Though if this was in your living room, XBMC is a must.
Well, here is the thing. I am going to test everything on my main TV (in my bedroom). The goal is to put it in a cabinet, BUT if I like how Mame runs on the main TV, who knows, I might build a controller for my lap and play Mame games right there in my bed!
Now the question would be could XBMC also be used in a cabinet or no?
Thanx,
Geo
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believe I have an Xbox that just has the CD-Rom and not the DVD.
unpossible
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I really didn't want to open the Xbox up, to be honest with you, but if I must then I must.
You're looking at either a hot swap or a modchip. Or is there a memcard related hack? I don't remember one if there is.
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believe I have an Xbox that just has the CD-Rom and not the DVD.
There is no possible way this can be true. You'll have to post a pic of your xbox if you disagree, because there's no way unless someone figured out how to screw you over BIG TIME.
Now the question would be could XBMC also be used in a cabinet or no?
Yes, but who watches TV or movies at their cabinet?
I really didn't want to open the Xbox up, to be honest with you, but if I must then I must.
You're looking at either a hot swap or a modchip. Or is there a memcard related hack? I don't remember one if there is.
Save-based Softmod doesn't require opening.
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Yes, but who watches TV or movies at their cabinet?
I know a few people who use a cab, or even a pin, doubled as a juke.
Save-based Softmod doesn't require opening.
It's coming back some. You still need to either hack up an interface to the PC or buy a memcard-PC adapter. Hotswapping is a whole lot easier if you know your way around a motherboard.
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You still need to either hack up an interface to the PC or buy a memcard-PC adapter.
I just used a usb thumb drive and hacked in a USB cable into an Xbox controller extension cable. Allow the xbox to format the drive, then use the Action Replay software to copy over the save file.
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You still need to either hack up an interface to the PC or buy a memcard-PC adapter.
I just used a usb thumb drive and hacked in a USB cable into an Xbox controller extension cable. Allow the xbox to format the drive, then use the Action Replay software to copy over the save file.
I need to research this.
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I just used a usb thumb drive and hacked in a USB cable into an Xbox controller extension cable. Allow the xbox to format the drive, then use the Action Replay software to copy over the save file.
Yeah, but if he can't hotswap an IDE drive, he can't do this.
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unpossible
Really?! Well, I attached the manual that I downloaded online, just peruse the first few pages and it says that the original Xbox came with a CD-Rom and the DVD was available as part of the movie package K01-0004.
You're looking at either a hot swap or a modchip. Or is there a memcard related hack? I don't remember one if there is.
I think I remember reading something about a memory card hack when I looked up putting Linux on the Xbox.
believe I have an Xbox that just has the CD-Rom and not the DVD.
There is no possible way this can be true. You'll have to post a pic of your xbox if you disagree, because there's no way unless someone figured out how to screw you over BIG TIME.
Check out the manual I posted. I don't have the Xbox here to take a picture of it, but it does say "Compact Disc" and not DVD on the CD drawer.
Yes, but who watches TV or movies at their cabinet?
I am NOT going to watch TV on a cabinet. I was just wondering if XBMC could be used in one considering that was the recommended approach.
Putting it another way, what would you use instead of XBMC for an arcade cabinet?
Yes, but who watches TV or movies at their cabinet?
I know a few people who use a cab, or even a pin, doubled as a juke.
Raises Hand. Yes, I have a jukebox program.
Save-based Softmod doesn't require opening.
Ok.
It's coming back some. You still need to either hack up an interface to the PC or buy a memcard-PC adapter. Hotswapping is a whole lot easier if you know your way around a motherboard.
Well, I have put many computers together myself and have performed many upgrades on computers, so that is a definite, yes. But I have not been poking around in many consoles...that is for sure.
You still need to either hack up an interface to the PC or buy a memcard-PC adapter.
I just used a usb thumb drive and hacked in a USB cable into an Xbox controller extension cable. Allow the xbox to format the drive, then use the Action Replay software to copy over the save file.
So you can use a USB memory stick with the XBox and you go into the controller port for that? Ok, now you lost me.
Slightly off topic:
I was looking up some details on hacking an Xbox controller. Apparently the Xbox's main trigger controls are analog in addition to the thumbstick controls. So as a recap, even though the Xbox supports these controls (natively), you can't access them in the Xbox version of Mame? If that is the case then that is a bummer. So the next question would be if you could wire the L/R triggers for simple on/off control. I sure do hope so, otherwise you would loose two buttons right there.
Geo
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Well, I have put many computers together myself and have performed many upgrades on computers, so that is a definite, yes. But I have not been poking around in many consoles...that is for sure.
The Xbox is a PC. Same north/south bridge architecture. Same IDE interfaces. The controller ports are USB with a different plug and like one extra wire. There is very little different inside an Xbox, hardware wise, than you'd find in a small desktop PC using a motherboard with onboard video and sound.
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unpossible
Really?! Well, I attached the manual that I downloaded online, just peruse the first few pages and it says that the original Xbox came with a CD-Rom and the DVD was available as part of the movie package K01-0004.
Still unpossible. Read it again. K01-0004 is a DVD playback kit, consisting of a remote control, and an infrared pickup. It wasn't a DVD drive that you swap out for a CD drive.
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So the next question would be if you could wire the L/R triggers for simple on/off control.
Yes.
I hack all types of console controllers, check my thread in my signature.
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The Xbox is a PC. Same north/south bridge architecture. Same IDE interfaces. The controller ports are USB with a different plug and like one extra wire. There is very little different inside an Xbox, hardware wise, than you'd find in a small desktop PC using a motherboard with onboard video and sound.
Yeah, I am looking at pictures of the insides now. It DOES very much look like a PC in there. Ok, so lets go with the flow in that I know my way around a PC, but I never did a "hot-swap" before...meaning unplugging and plugging in drives with the computer 'on'.
Still unpossible. Read it again. K01-0004 is a DVD playback kit, consisting of a remote control, and an infrared pickup. It wasn't a DVD drive that you swap out for a CD drive.
Ok, I think we are getting somewhere. I looked up the kit online via Amazon. I didn't see a DVD drive pictures, nor did read that it included a drive in the description of the kit. Next I found the manual and that confirmed it, there is no DVD drive that comes with it. However, the manual DOES insist that you MUST have the kit to play DVD's. So is that true or no?
What lead me astray is this:
http://bak1.beareyes.com.cn/2/lib/200111/21/103/xbox_02.jpg (http://bak1.beareyes.com.cn/2/lib/200111/21/103/xbox_02.jpg)
Looking carefully on the right side, that is a compact disc logo on the front bezel. If the drive could play DVD's, wouldn't you think the DVD logo would be there too?
I looked up several pictures of the front of the Xbox and they all have Compact Disc logos, and not DVD logos.
Here this guy got creative and painted his Xbox, but you can see the logos clearer here:
http://img218.exs.cx/img218/7351/img06598mk.jpg (http://img218.exs.cx/img218/7351/img06598mk.jpg)
That is a compact disc logo
So if indeed the drive is a DVD drive, then that logo is incorrect.
Naturally what shows on the outside doesn't mean what is there in on the inside. I just was thrown off by the fact that only the compact disc logo was on the unit AND the manual mentioned that you NEED this kit to play DVD's. Naturally I thought the kit was an upgrade kit that needed to be professionally installed (meaning a DVD rom drive).
Like I said, I have not tried the Xbox yet...I just bought it last night.
So the next question would be if you could wire the L/R triggers for simple on/off control.
Yes.
I hack all types of console controllers, check my thread in my signature.
Great! Will do so.
Thanx again for the help guys. While I am still confused about quite a few things, at least I am 'getting somewhere'.
Geo
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Yeah, I am looking at pictures of the insides now. It DOES very much look like a PC in there. Ok, so lets go with the flow in that I know my way around a PC, but I never did a "hot-swap" before...meaning unplugging and plugging in drives with the computer 'on'.
Just be gentle with the drive and you'll be fine. I actually powered my Xbox drive off of the PC's power supply to make it easier. IDE cables are longer than drive power supply cables.
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You're overthinking the DVD v. Cd thing. Bottom line is that it's labeled a CD player as that's the functionality built into it. Calling it a DVD would cause some ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- lawyer like Shmokes to get his panties in a bunch since the XBox doesn't play DVDs without the additional DVD remote (until you mod it, that is). Yours will play DVD, CDs, cassettes, 8 track, LPs, etc. ;D
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I just used a usb thumb drive and hacked in a USB cable into an Xbox controller extension cable. Allow the xbox to format the drive, then use the Action Replay software to copy over the save file.
Yeah, but if he can't hotswap an IDE drive, he can't do this.
I was about to argue with you, but then I understood what you meant. ;)
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Just to clarify. It's a DVD drive, but without the remote, it wouldn't play DVD MOVIES. DVD based games ran fine (they would HAVE TO).
Of course, XBMC gets around that whole "needing a remote" thing. ;D
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Just be gentle with the drive and you'll be fine. I actually powered my Xbox drive off of the PC's power supply to make it easier. IDE cables are longer than drive power supply cables.
Well, I guess if you stand the Xbox on end (with the top open) and place it side by side next to a PC, then the cables SHOULD reach to and fro, correct? Isn't it better to power it from the PC anyway?
You're overthinking the DVD v. Cd thing. Bottom line is that it's labeled a CD player as that's the functionality built into it. Calling it a DVD would cause some ---smurf-poop--- lawyer like Shmokes to get his panties in a bunch since the XBox doesn't play DVDs without the additional DVD remote (until you mod it, that is). Yours will play DVD, CDs, cassettes, 8 track, LPs, etc. ;D
Yeah, I kind of figured that out late anyway. Most people are not comfortable handling hardware to begin with and then if Microsoft comes along and says, well you need to have this drive installed....Well you get the idea. So they put a DVD drive in from the get go and just put a CD label on it because the unit can play music discs out of the box. But then you have to buy this add on kit (which anyone can install) to access the DVD features.
Ok, I guess that clears that up.
Just to clarify. It's a DVD drive, but without the remote, it wouldn't play DVD MOVIES. DVD based games ran fine (they would HAVE TO).
Of course, XBMC gets around that whole "needing a remote" thing. ;D
Yeah, as I said above, I kind of figured that out late in the game anyway. The giveaway was that the CD-Audio logo was on the RIGHT side of the Xbox, when the actual drawer was on the LEFT side. So it was like Hoopz said...it is a legal thing because the Xbox really can't play DVD's straight out of the box, but it CAN play CD Audio discs. So if the DVD logo was on the front people would think the thing plays DVD's right off the bat.
The whole thing caught me off guard because I am by right a Playstation user and I have have both the PS1 and PS2. The PS2 has a DVD player and it CAN play DVD's out of the box without any kind of upgrade kit. So Microsoft decided to suck some more dough out of the people that want to play DVD's on the Xbox. Perhaps a nice little marketing ploy for them. But it almost had me fooled thinking the Xbox didn't have a DVD player inside of it.
So I am happy to hear that once the box is modded, I can access the DVD functions.
At any rate, I am not sure if I am going to get to testing the box before this weekend. There is still much to do for Christmas and it is right around the corner. I will see if I have a chance to hook up the Xbox tonight, but I doubt it. More then likely I am going to do more research though.
Geo
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Well, I guess if you stand the Xbox on end (with the top open) and place it side by side next to a PC, then the cables SHOULD reach to and fro, correct? Isn't it better to power it from the PC anyway?
Nah, you're making it harder than it has to be. You'll see when you get the Xbox open. The drive cabling inside the Xbox is pretty long and the mount is designed to be cold swappable.
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Nah, you're making it harder than it has to be. You'll see when you get the Xbox open. The drive cabling inside the Xbox is pretty long and the mount is designed to be cold swappable.
So what is entailed with a hot-swap anyway? I never did something like that before. Usually I made all connections when the computer was OFF. I come from the old school that says doing anything with the cables while the computer is on is generally a very bad thing.
So I guess the key is that you need the power on to 'unlock' the drive. So once it is unlocked then you have to switch the IDE cables from the XBox to the computer, right?
Question:
Looking up the downloads for XBMC, I don't see a download selection for XBox. The choice options are: OSX, Linux, Windows, Apple TV, and Live. Which is the one the Xbox uses?
Geo
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You need the Xbox motherboard to unlock the drive. Once it has booted you can swap the IDE cable to the PC, do your mods, then put it back onto the Xbox to lock it again. It's pretty simple once you have the stuff all set up to go. Be careful not to jostle the drive while it is powered up - an IDE cable swap is pretty safe because there is very little potential to short anything. Even if you did it's data voltage so you'd most likely just get parity errors without any physical failure.
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Just buy a modchip. Doing the hot swap is not without its risks.
Hope you are using a Maxtor 5400 with that xbox....
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The hot swap is a hell of a lot riskier than taking a soldering iron to the motherboard.
And the hot swap only requires a drive change if you are upgrading capacity. I usually don't bother - XBMC is most effective as a streamer anyway.
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You need the Xbox motherboard to unlock the drive. :blah: :blah: :blah:
yeah with that said, whatever it was, best bet is to softmod the system or grow a pair and softmod it. This isnt the best forum to be on for this kind of help, you really should register and read www.xbox-scene.com (http://www.xbox-scene.com)
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This isnt the best forum to be on for this kind of help, you really should register and read www.xbox-scene.com (http://www.xbox-scene.com)
Which I've pointed out several times.
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This isnt the best forum to be on for this kind of help, you really should register and read www.xbox-scene.com (http://www.xbox-scene.com)
Which I've pointed out several times.
just sayin I agree, but chad keeps googling out "advice" and Im tryin to tell the guy to hit up the scene :)
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You need the Xbox motherboard to unlock the drive. Once it has booted you can swap the IDE cable to the PC, do your mods, then put it back onto the Xbox to lock it again. It's pretty simple once you have the stuff all set up to go. Be careful not to jostle the drive while it is powered up - an IDE cable swap is pretty safe because there is very little potential to short anything. Even if you did it's data voltage so you'd most likely just get parity errors without any physical failure.
Ok, sounds good to me.
Just buy a modchip. Doing the hot swap is not without its risks.
Hope you are using a Maxtor 5400 with that xbox....
Why is that? Also are you referring to the drive in the Xbox or the PC? My PC has Sata drives, so the IDE channels are clear. Would that be a problem?
The hot swap is a hell of a lot riskier than taking a soldering iron to the motherboard.
Oh, thanx...that just boosted my confidence. I thought above you said it was easy?
And the hot swap only requires a drive change if you are upgrading capacity. I usually don't bother - XBMC is most effective as a streamer anyway.
I don't have intentions to change the drive. Now on the XBMC site, which version is used for the Xbox?
This isnt the best forum to be on for this kind of help, you really should register and read www.xbox-scene.com (http://www.xbox-scene.com)
Which I've pointed out several times.
The site is large and not very well organized. While there is a lot of good info there, it would take much longer to find out what I need there than here. There is quite a bit of outdated stuff there too. Every time I go to that site, I end up getting confused. At least you guys are better at clearing things up. So I would rather stay here than go there.
I know the people here deal with Mame and arcade cabinets all the time so what I need seems to come more direct here.
Thanx,
Geo
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As soon as I remember to post it, I have a link at home that will help you. Much more organized, but it's a saved-based softmod, not the hotswap.
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As soon as I remember to post it, I have a link at home that will help you. Much more organized, but it's a saved-based softmod, not the hotswap.
Ok, sounds good.
Listen I know you guys mean well about directing me to Xbox-Scene, but this is one of the things I found and I would just like to illustrate my point:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=215055 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=215055)
Typical soft-mod tutorial, right? Look how long this thing is. I actually DID fall asleep trying to read it LOL!
First look at the date...2004.
Then in the tutorial they go on to mention stuff about the BIOS and Phoenix Bios. Then they mention Splinter Cell exploits?!?!
This is stuff we didn't talk about here, so I don't know if much of this is necessary anymore or even relevent. Needless to say it causes me to ask more questions then perhaps is necessary.
I also have noticed that with the Xbox and modding, there seems to be 100 ways to skin a cat. So being that it was mentioned that softmodding is riskier than hard modding, I looked into a couple of mod chips. However, instead of linking to a couple of chips...it seemed like I linked to a couple hundred chips.
So this is the point I was driving at with Xbox-Scene. Outdated, overloaded, overcooked and convoluted.
I just would rather get straight to the point, do the mod, put in XBMC or dashboard, and Mame and be done with it.
I would like the easiest, best, and least risky way to go. In the case of hard modding, well I am an electronics technician and I know my way around a soldering iron. So if need be I can go that route too. I would rather try a soft mod method first, but if it is too convoluted and confusing...such as the tutorial above, then I would like to move on to something easier.
So that was my point for avoiding Xbox Scene.
Geo
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if you have a 1.6 xbox you cant solder anything anyway. I was reading the same threads you are and I figured it out. Figure out which way you want to try and do it then try. If you fail or severly ---fudgesicle--- up your xbox, go buy another one for $15. I was experimenting when the XBOX was like $200 the gamble isnt so great now a days
EDIT: read the thread you liniked to, I wish it was that clear when I started.
Lemme break down a softmod for ya:
download an exploit package for a game, like Agent Under Fire. Exploit package is just a modified save game, so when you play the game and load the save, the softmod installer runs. Transfer the save game from your computer to the xbox by modding a thumb drive or however you find it easiet. Pop in the game, load the save and let the installer run.
then edit the dash to your liking or FTP over whatever you wanna do. If you really cant grasp the concept Im sure a member like SNAAAKE can sell you a modded XBOX
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In the link I posted, you can follow the very first post (or two) and you're done. Period. None of the rest of it matters for you.
You can get people here to put a chip in. Heck, if you're local to some of us, we'll soft mod it for you too.
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This is what I followed (using Splinter Cell as the exploit)
http://www.cnw.com/~josh/XBox/Krazies_NDURE_1.1_Softmod_with_Action_Replay_and_a_USB_Flash_Drive.html (http://www.cnw.com/~josh/XBox/Krazies_NDURE_1.1_Softmod_with_Action_Replay_and_a_USB_Flash_Drive.html)
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if you have a 1.6 xbox you cant solder anything anyway.
How do I tell what version I have?
On the bottom of the unit I have this info:
Mfg date: 6-25-05
Serial Number: 363298452506
Product ID: 632363298452506
I was reading the same threads you are and I figured it out. Figure out which way you want to try and do it then try. If you fail or severly ---fudgesicle--- up your xbox, go buy another one for $15.
I have not seen an Xbox for $15 as of yet. It is just that with most of the documents on the X-Box Scene they are pretty old and they do have quite a bit of 'fluff'. I just really need to know the simplest, cut and dry way to get the box modded.
I was experimenting when the XBOX was like $200 the gamble isnt so great now a days
No I suppose not, still I don't want to fudge things up either and end up with a $34 brick.
In the link I posted, you can follow the very first post (or two) and you're done. Period. None of the rest of it matters for you.
Ok
You can get people here to put a chip in. Heck, if you're local to some of us, we'll soft mod it for you too.
Naw, I know I can do it myself. It is just finding the RIGHT guides. So far what I seen on Xbox-Scene I don't like. The documents are just overwhelming.
This is what I followed (using Splinter Cell as the exploit)
http://www.cnw.com/~josh/XBox/Krazies_NDURE_1.1_Softmod_with_Action_Replay_and_a_USB_Flash_Drive.html (http://www.cnw.com/~josh/XBox/Krazies_NDURE_1.1_Softmod_with_Action_Replay_and_a_USB_Flash_Drive.html)
Until I read that post, I didn't know that was yet ANOTHER mod option. I will check it out though.
EDIT: read the thread you liniked to, I wish it was that clear when I started.
When did you start? That document I found on Xbox Scene goes back to 2004...that is 5 years ago and it certainly isn't that clear to me. It just went on and on... and I kid you not, I fell asleep right at the computer reading it!
Lemme break down a softmod for ya:
download an exploit package for a game, like Agent Under Fire. Exploit package is just a modified save game, so when you play the game and load the save, the softmod installer runs. Transfer the save game from your computer to the xbox by modding a thumb drive or however you find it easiet. Pop in the game, load the save and let the installer run.
then edit the dash to your liking or FTP over whatever you wanna do. If you really cant grasp the concept Im sure a member like SNAAAKE can sell you a modded XBOX
Ok, so lets see if I follow you here. So with this method you need a game, correct? Now could it be any game or does it have to be Agent Under Fire? Where do you get the modified game save?
Now once I have the game and modified game save, a USB to Xbox controller adapter needs to be constructed, right?
Then the game save gets loaded on from my computer on to the USB stick and then I can use the adapter and load it into the Xbox, correct?
So using this method, you don't have to open up the Xbox or do the hot swap?
Well, I will say that overall this does sound much easier than the hot swap method...especially if I don't have to open up the Xbox...which was my initial goal anyway.
Now I am sure there is a document somewhere here on making that special adapter right?
In regards to the modified game save, are there other games besides Agent Under Fire? Oh! Light bulb moment. What is meant by "Splinter Cell Method" is that Splinter Cell is a game too, right? Yes, it is. I just looked the game up on Amazon. Or should I say gameS. There sure are quite a few Splinter Cell games. When I bought the Xbox I bought Midway Arcade Treasures with it. Would there be a modified game save for that?
I think I can now see where this is driving at. The issue here is to unlock the drive for the Xbox and then get in there some way to modify or replace the dashboard. So like hot swapping, when you run a game, the drive unlocks. Ok, I think I am slowly getting it.
I think what it is that makes the issue confusing is that I am discovering that there are many ways to modding the Xbox and everything that I am reading is criss-crossing in my mind.
I will read up on that link you sent and hopefully that method is a bit more cut and dry. You see the way you guys explain things it seems pretty clear, but when I go out and look for these documents and tutorials, I usually end up with a mile long text document of confusion that does nothing for me except to ask more questions.
I think what is needed over there at Xbox Scene is a true cut and dry 'beginner's' guide. While that document I linked to was labeled 'beginner's' it seemed more like 'novice' to me.
Ok...so I am off to more digging and reading. I have off from work tomorrow so I will see if I can run some tests on the Xbox. I noticed that I don't have an official controller. It looks like the smaller 'S' controller, but it isn't. It is actually pretty nice.
Thanx again guys.
Geo
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How do I tell what version I have?
On the bottom of the unit I have this info:
Mfg date: 6-25-05
Serial Number: 363298452506
Product ID: 632363298452506
You have a 1.6
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I have used the mech assault method to soft mod many xboxs and it has been the easiest way I have found. You basically need a action replay or a hacked connector to put your xbox controller on the pc. Then you use the action replay software to move over the hacked save file to the memory card in the controller. Load up the game and then start the hacked save file and it pretty much takes care of the rest. I will see if I can find the guide I used to do it with for ya.
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the 3 games I know work are Agent Under Fire, Mech Assault, and Splinter Cell. Also, you have a 1.6 like Ginsu Pointed out, so forget about soldering the points to flash the TSOP, infact totally forget everythign about flashing because the only way to mod your xbox is softmod or modchip.
Also, I read those guides......jeez, it was before I moved to texas (and back) so like 2002 is when I started, heck if you search "Malenko" on x-s you can see threads where I pooched my second xbox and was asking for help on getting the MSDash to boot, good times.
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You're all worked up about a thread that started in 2004 on a machine that came out in 2002? So the thread is 5+ years old. It's still valid as far as how to do it.
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The hot swap is a hell of a lot riskier than taking a soldering iron to the motherboard.
Oh, thanx...that just boosted my confidence. I thought above you said it was easy?
Damn, that's what I get for doing 5 things at once. It's safer. I got the wrong direction on the operator. My bad.
Don't sweat asking questions here. We've all been through this before. Hell look at the Wii hard drive thread as a similar example. But use xbox-scene as your first resort.
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The hot swap is a hell of a lot riskier than taking a soldering iron to the motherboard.
Oh, thanx...that just boosted my confidence. I thought above you said it was easy?
Damn, that's what I get for doing 5 things at once. It's safer. I got the wrong direction on the operator. My bad.
Don't sweat asking questions here. We've all been through this before. Hell look at the Wii hard drive thread as a similar example. But use xbox-scene as your first resort.
First thing: There are mods that are solderless, and it takes 10 minutes to complete. Worth the extra $15.
Second thing: You can mod 1.6 soft or chip.
Third: There are so many things you can do with a Xbox with an Executer chip like 1080HD, VGA, 500gb HDD, cromwell, the list goes on.
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I have used the mech assault method to soft mod many xboxs and it has been the easiest way I have found. You basically need a action replay or a hacked connector to put your xbox controller on the pc. Then you use the action replay software to move over the hacked save file to the memory card in the controller. Load up the game and then start the hacked save file and it pretty much takes care of the rest. I will see if I can find the guide I used to do it with for ya.
the 3 games I know work are Agent Under Fire, Mech Assault, and Splinter Cell. Also, you have a 1.6 like Ginsu Pointed out, so forget about soldering the points to flash the TSOP, infact totally forget everythign about flashing because the only way to mod your xbox is softmod or modchip.
Ok, so then the 'exploit' game save method will only work with those three games. At any rate, none of you guys mentioned flashing here so I figured that would be out of the question. It just added to the confusion of which seemed to be the case every time I tried to look something up on the Xbox scene site.
Also, I read those guides......jeez, it was before I moved to texas (and back) so like 2002 is when I started, heck if you search "Malenko" on x-s you can see threads where I pooched my second xbox and was asking for help on getting the MSDash to boot, good times.
You're all worked up about a thread that started in 2004 on a machine that came out in 2002? So the thread is 5+ years old. It's still valid as far as how to do it.
Oh, I am not doubting it's validity. It is just that I would think that new ways and methods for hacking the Xbox could have been discovered in the meantime. Point in mind was the Bios methods I saw in the document. Being that Ginsu stated I have a version 1.6 Xbox, that stuff then is clearly outdated.
The hot swap is a hell of a lot riskier than taking a soldering iron to the motherboard.
Oh, thanx...that just boosted my confidence. I thought above you said it was easy?
Damn, that's what I get for doing 5 things at once. It's safer. I got the wrong direction on the operator. My bad.
So you meant it is safer than soldering on the board? Well overall for my first go through on the Xbox, I would like to go the softmod route and would rather not open the box and try a hardware mod. I DID look into a hard mod, but found out the that choosing the right modchip is not without it's confusion as well.
So thusfar it looks like the game save method would appear to be the most attractive to me at this point. I don't need to have the Xbox near a computer and I can do everything via a memory stick.
Don't sweat asking questions here. We've all been through this before. Hell look at the Wii hard drive thread as a similar example. But use xbox-scene as your first resort.
I did try to use Xbox-scene so I wouldn't have to ask so many questions here, but I found out that when reading over there, I ended up asking TEN TIMES more questions here. So I am wondering if it is hindering more than helping.
Ok, then so before I do anything I have to construct one of these USB to XBOX adapters. I looked up the memory sticks that work with the Xbox and found that I do have a 4gig San Disk Cruzer which is known to work. So I will set that up. Then I have to go out and purchase one of those three games. I am going to look up some information on the games to see which one I will like anyway and then take it from there.
Now in order to make the cable I am assuming that I am probably going to need both a USB extension cable and an Xbox controller extension cable and then cut the cables and splice them so a USB female is on one end and an XBox male is on the other, correct? Xbox-Scene should have a document on wiring this adapter up, right?
Ok, I guess I will do some more research as well in regards to the 'game save' method of modding the Xbox. Hopefully things will get clearer soon.
EDIT:
Ok, I found this thread tonight on Xbox-Scene and it pretty much described the SAME issue I am going through here.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=601523&mode=linearplus (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=601523&mode=linearplus)
So the last post pretty much outlines what has to be done and it looks easy enough.
I looked into the games and out of the three the 007: Agent Under Fire seems like the most interesting game, followed by the Mech Assault. Now it seemed like the key was to get the ORIGINAL versions of the game. So that was something I didn't know either.
Now another thing that is mentioned is Action Replay. Is this another item that has to be purchased or is it downloadable?
What is it anyway?
Thanx again for all your help.
Geo
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Action Replay is a brand of memory card reader. You need to learn how to google search better. =)
http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/homemade-action-replay.php (http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/homemade-action-replay.php)
A number of years ago this is what I used. An original mech assault, and an action replay. Load the save game onto the action replay memory card, then load up mech assault and restore the saved game from the memory card. Once you do that you're into some software that will softmod the xbox for you.
Merry Christmas.
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Third: There are so many things you can do with a Xbox with an Executer chip like 1080HD, VGA, 500gb HDD, cromwell, the list goes on.
Links to anything you can do with a hard mod that you cannot do with a softmod, please.
Especially to 1080i or p. The Xbox has the software capability of 1080 but not the horsepower.
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Third: There are so many things you can do with a Xbox with an Executer chip like 1080HD, VGA, 500gb HDD, cromwell, the list goes on.
This is 100% untrue. You can use VGA on a softmoded Xbox just by having it load a VGA enabled bios at boot. That's what a soft moded Xbox does afterall, it launches with an exploit and then uses that to load a modded BIOS into the memory. You can use any BIOS if you configure it to load that up. This includes the Cromwell bios. You can also use larger hard drives, I have an 80GB drive in one of my soft modded Xbox's and could use any size hard drive I wanted. and... The Xbox isn't doing 1080p under any circumstances. However it can do 720p and 1080i if the application supports it and it can do that soft modded or hard modded. XBMC supports 1080i for example, but as someone else stated it gives you memory issues.
There is only one thing that a hard modded Xbox1 can do that a soft modded one can't: Use an unlocked hard drive. With a soft mod, you will have to lock any HDD you put into the system with the same HDD Key that the last drive was locked with. So you have to invest some effort in using a PC to ensure the upgraded drive is locked with a matching key to the system. It can still do any sized hard drive, you just need to think a bit more.
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Third: There are so many things you can do with a Xbox with an Executer chip like 1080HD, VGA, 500gb HDD, cromwell, the list goes on.
This is 100% untrue. You can use VGA on a softmoded Xbox just by having it load a VGA enabled bios at boot. That's what a soft moded Xbox does afterall, it launches with an exploit and then uses that to load a modded BIOS into the memory. You can use any BIOS if you configure it to load that up. This includes the Cromwell bios. You can also use larger hard drives, I have an 80GB drive in one of my soft modded Xbox's and could use any size hard drive I wanted. and... The Xbox isn't doing 1080p under any circumstances. However it can do 720p and 1080i if the application supports it and it can do that soft modded or hard modded. XBMC supports 1080i for example, but as someone else stated it gives you memory issues.
There is only one thing that a hard modded Xbox1 can do that a soft modded one can't: Use an unlocked hard drive. With a soft mod, you will have to lock any HDD you put into the system with the same HDD Key that the last drive was locked with. So you have to invest some effort in using a PC to ensure the upgraded drive is locked with a matching key to the system. It can still do any sized hard drive, you just need to think a bit more.
Oh really DJ_Izumi? Please can you supply the link to the Xbox -> Vga cable that will work with a soft modded xbox, especially a 1.6 Xbox?
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Oh really DJ_Izumi? Please can you supply the link to the Xbox -> Vga cable that will work with a soft modded xbox, especially a 1.6 Xbox?
It's not about the cable, it's about the BIOS. The modded BIOS that most softmod installers load into memory od not have VGA support, but you can use something like FrostyTheSnowman's VGA BIOS instead. Hell for the people who can't figure out the complicated stuff, there's even a bootable DVD that'll toss it into memory on a softmodded machine to minimize installation efforts for the user. I don't think you understand this, but native VGA support was a problem for hardmods too, the support is done by adding it to the BIOS and you can do anything to the BIOS for either a softmod or a hardmod.
Here's a thread on it, and they even explicitly state softmod support:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=620760 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=620760)
There isn't support for 1.6 model Xbox's but the hardmods don't seem to support this either. Anything you can load into a hardmod BIOS you can load into a softmod BIOS. The only difference is, the Xbox needs to be 'stock' to boot before it's exploit is used to load a custom BIOS into memory. This is why the HDD Locking is a requirement on softmodded units but hardmodded units can bypass that need.
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The Xbox has the software capability of 1080 but not the horsepower.
wut? Ive had my softmodded xbox push out both 720p and 1080i in XBMC but there were some issues with it and it wasnt worth the touble especially considering at the time very little of my media was HD. Even the PS2 had games that put out HD graphics (before you ask GranTurismo 4 comes to mind) go on, google it, I know you dont believe me.
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Only two games on on the PS2 did 1080i, and they didn't REALLY do it either. Gran Turismo 4 and Tourist Trophy. However they actually did 480p but featured an internal software scaler to scale the output up to 1080i, it was never rendered at that resolution.
On the Xbox, the higher res is a memory issue, though some Xbox1 games did feature actual 720p rendering. Even on XBMC you can see the memory issues with doing HD, it's not cripping, but you see it needs some time to get things into memory.
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wut? Ive had my softmodded xbox push out both 720p and 1080i in XBMC but there were some issues with it and it wasnt worth the touble especially considering at the time very little of my media was HD. Even the PS2 had games that put out HD graphics (before you ask GranTurismo 4 comes to mind) go on, google it, I know you dont believe me.
Did I say 720p? It works great for 720p.
The xbox cannot do 1080i streaming consistently. There just isn't the memory or CPU. You can hook the source right to the same router and it still skips. It doesn't upscale to 1080i consistently either.
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wut? Ive had my softmodded xbox push out both 720p and 1080i in XBMC but there were some issues with it and it wasnt worth the touble especially considering at the time very little of my media was HD. Even the PS2 had games that put out HD graphics (before you ask GranTurismo 4 comes to mind) go on, google it, I know you dont believe me.
Did I say 720p? It works great for 720p.
The xbox cannot do 1080i streaming consistently. There just isn't the memory or CPU. You can hook the source right to the same router and it still skips. It doesn't upscale to 1080i consistently either.
You said it couldnt do it, now you are backpeddling and saying it cant do it consistently. I'll wager a dollar to donuts you never tried, you just go by what you googled online. Hook source to router? Im not talking streaming media, Im talking playing media from the HD. Mostof the time when you stream, with options like TVeristy, the decoding is done "server side" so the player shouldnt have much impact on playback performance.
I think youre missing the point (trend) that what can be done in a mod chip can be done in a softmod, cept an unlocked drive and that the xbox CAN do 1080i just not well due to memory issues
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Action Replay is a brand of memory card reader. You need to learn how to google search better. =)
http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/homemade-action-replay.php (http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/homemade-action-replay.php)
No it isn't a matter of Google searching better, but rather finding the most current and/or reliable information. Much of the stuff that is on that xbox-scene site is outdated (namely the BIOS stuff, as I have a ver 1.6 box and it wouldn't apply). So I would rather come to trust those here of whom have been building arcade controls and cabinets rather than a Xbox hackers site in which I was lead to and fro and ended up asking more questions than getting answers. Needless to say, I wanted the straight answer as to the best way to soft mod my Xbox and not get the run around.
A number of years ago this is what I used. An original mech assault, and an action replay. Load the save game onto the action replay memory card, then load up mech assault and restore the saved game from the memory card. Once you do that you're into some software that will softmod the xbox for you.
Couldn't a hacked USB Female to Xbox male control cable work too? Or would you feel the Action Replay is the cheaper and/or better bet?
Merry Christmas.
You too (well it is actually after Christmas, so hopefully you had a good one!
Third: There are so many things you can do with a Xbox with an Executer chip like 1080HD, VGA, 500gb HDD, cromwell, the list goes on.
Links to anything you can do with a hard mod that you cannot do with a softmod, please.
Especially to 1080i or p. The Xbox has the software capability of 1080 but not the horsepower.
Guys, this stuff is way over my head. So you don't have to go back and forth on it. Trust me, I am FAR from this level. All I really want to do is use the Xbox to run Mame for now.
Thanx,
Geo
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You said it couldnt do it, now you are backpeddling and saying it cant do it consistently.
Dude said he's not upgrading the hard drive. Why would we even discuss whether or not he can play HD content locally? Pay attention. The Xbox cannot stream 1080i/p without stuttering a good amount of the stream. Period. I've been using XBMC in multiple rooms for years - along with a lot of others here - and we're all saying the same thing.
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If you want to run MAME on your xbox this can be done simple and quick.
You need to buy a non classic Splinter Cell (NTSC or PAL determined by your location)
A way to get two game saves to a xbox memory unit.
I did this via the action replay method, and yes it was a real pig trying to find a legitimate link for the software, especially since the hardware is not available to buy in the shops - but you can probably get it on ebay but you do not need it as there are free versions out there. Google for soft mod action replay - I just did now and found everything needed for transferring the files on top. Well the guides were very easy to follow.
Get yourself a xbox memory unit (any 2nd hand game shop should have them) a crap controller you do not want anymore, wire strippers, soldering iron or you can use tape, and a usb A to B lead you can snip off the A end. You can use the Xbox safety connector to wire it up if you wish, but I used a xbox controller for use with the PC later on.
Strip xbox joypad cable and snip the yellow wire. Strip the USB A and marry the ends either by solder or tape.
Use the action replay to transfer the 2 files to the xbox memory unit via the hacked controller.
Copy the save games to the Xbox HDD via dash. Fire up Splinter Cell load file LINUX.
Locate Auto Installer Deluxe and burn to cdrom. Wait a few minutes to read the disc. Follow the readme and backup all the Xbox data.
Locate CoinOPS and BAE- <so simple>.
Done!
It is that easy - I find the memory unit quite handy and now it is just a matter of plugging the unit in and running the game.
I love my Xbox Arcade - so many arcade games and so little time. ;D
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the xbox can be modded with a ram upgrade to 128MB and it helps some emu's like mame big time but it is a pain in the bum to do and others charge a hefty fee if you can even find someone that does them anymore.
most just leave them at the stock 64 but the 128's are nice if you can get one for cheap or have it done for cheap by another.
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If you want to run MAME on your xbox this can be done simple and quick.
You need to buy a non classic Splinter Cell (NTSC or PAL determined by your location)
I think to avoid confusion I would be greatful if someone posted the box cover art for each of the three games, so I can make sure to get the correct one. I am mostly interested in the 007 game, but the Mech game looks cool too. I doubt I would play Splinter Cell because that genre doesn't interest me much. I know it isn't a big deal in the context of what I would like to do with the Xbox...BUT I might want to play the game someday and not just use the exploit.
A way to get two game saves to a xbox memory unit.
I did this via the action replay method, and yes it was a real pig trying to find a legitimate link for the software, especially since the hardware is not available to buy in the shops - but you can probably get it on ebay but you do not need it as there are free versions out there. Google for soft mod action replay - I just did now and found everything needed for transferring the files on top. Well the guides were very easy to follow.
Get yourself a xbox memory unit (any 2nd hand game shop should have them) a crap controller you do not want anymore, wire strippers, soldering iron or you can use tape, and a usb A to B lead you can snip off the A end. You can use the Xbox safety connector to wire it up if you wish, but I used a xbox controller for use with the PC later on.
Strip xbox joypad cable and snip the yellow wire. Strip the USB A and marry the ends either by solder or tape.
Use the action replay to transfer the 2 files to the xbox memory unit via the hacked controller.
Ok, so instead of a memory stick you are going with an actual Xbox game save. Now instead of going through all the hacking above, wouldn't it be possible to purchase a USB to Xbox controller adapter and access the memory unit that way? I know for the PS2 I have such an adapter to use it on my computer. However, the PS2 controller doesn't have memory units so I don't know if the memory unit will work using an Xbox to PC adapter. At any rate, I figured I would ask.
Copy the save games to the Xbox HDD via dash. Fire up Splinter Cell load file LINUX.
Locate Auto Installer Deluxe and burn to cdrom. Wait a few minutes to read the disc. Follow the readme and backup all the Xbox data.
Locate CoinOPS and BAE- <so simple>.
What are CoinOPS and BAE?
Done!
It is that easy - I find the memory unit quite handy and now it is just a matter of plugging the unit in and running the game.
I love my Xbox Arcade - so many arcade games and so little time. ;D
Well, I probably will too once I get it going.
BTW, where did you get that Avatar from? That is pretty creepy and would go good in a haunted house venture I am planning next year.
the xbox can be modded with a ram upgrade to 128MB and it helps some emu's like mame big time but it is a pain in the bum to do and others charge a hefty fee if you can even find someone that does them anymore.
most just leave them at the stock 64 but the 128's are nice if you can get one for cheap or have it done for cheap by another.
Well, when it comes to Mame, I am mostly interested in early games (late 70's) to about the early 90's. I don't play many newer games. By 1994 when I bought my first PC, I pretty much ceased going to the arcades. The Playstation and PS2 pretty much sealed the arcade's fate with me. There are only about 2 or 3 'modern' arcade games that I like. More then likely if it is a modern game I would play it on my PC or PS2. I would say that the bulk of my interest in arcade games would be from 1978 (Space Invaders) to 1988 as those years I was pretty heavy into going to arcades.
Thanx,
Geo
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the stock 64 would run all them up to the early 90's no problem for sure.
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Locate Auto Installer Deluxe and burn to cdrom.
Just a note: Some XBOX DVD drives have trouble reading CD-Rs. I would burn to DVD-R just to be safe.
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CoinOPS is the latest Mame with the games running full speed. BAE = Big Ass Emulator a selection of emulators with supporting roms. I cannot link it but if you look hard enough you will find the site with everything. Oh you might need a rapidshare account.....
Yes you can go with a USB to Xbox adapter, I hacked mine to use with the PC. The stock memory of 64mb is plenty.
Splinter Cell is the easiest and widely used, just get the original game not the re-released one.
Avatar info is on EE "Whats behind your Avatar"
I would just send the necessary files to you, but that would not help or benefit you nor would it be in the spirit of this site. Hack your own! ;D
I have a chip modded Xbox, but like others have said it is not required. If you have a friend who has a modded xbox - he/she could transfer the saves to your memory unit much quicker...
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the stock 64 would run all them up to the early 90's no problem for sure.
Then that is good enough for me :).
Locate Auto Installer Deluxe and burn to cdrom.
Just a note: Some XBOX DVD drives have trouble reading CD-Rs. I would burn to DVD-R just to be safe.
Yes, I did manage to find that posted somewhere on the Xbox-Scene site and that it was advised to burn to DVD-R. That isn't a problem as my computer does have a DVD burner. Since the prices came down so much on DVD-R's I no longer bother with CD-Rs unless I have to make a music CD that will be played in a standard CD player.
CoinOPS is the latest Mame with the games running full speed. BAE = Big Ass Emulator a selection of emulators with supporting roms. I cannot link it but if you look hard enough you will find the site with everything. Oh you might need a rapidshare account.....
Ok, so CoinOPS is the Xbox Mame emulator then. No I don't have a Rapidshare account.
Yes you can go with a USB to Xbox adapter, I hacked mine to use with the PC. The stock memory of 64mb is plenty.
Ok, sounds good.
Splinter Cell is the easiest and widely used, just get the original game not the re-released one.
How could I tell the originals from the re-released ones? You have an Amazon link or a picture of the box? I am sure I could pick up the games at my local GameStop and/or Play N Trade.
Avatar info is on EE "Whats behind your Avatar"
Was that clip from a movie?
I have a chip modded Xbox, but like others have said it is not required. If you have a friend who has a modded xbox - he/she could transfer the saves to your memory unit much quicker...
No I don't know anyone locally. I found out about running Mame on the Xbox right here. Most of the 'locals' in my area are PS2 & 3 people. Some went the way of the Wii too. Not many I know even own an Xbox. The Xbox sections in both GameStop and Play N Trade are pretty small in comparison to the Playstation sections. I guess you can say that both the Xbox and Xbox 360 are considered the 'lesser' systems here.
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello guys,
Well after much digging I finally found this guide for softmodding and it seems to follow what you guys have been mentioning here all along. So I am going to go with this procedure. HOWEVER, I am going to post the guide here and see if it gets the seal of approval before I start anything.
http://www.mrdictionary.net/_xbox/guide_php.php (http://www.mrdictionary.net/_xbox/guide_php.php)
I have not been able to get out to GameStop yet to get the necessary items for the mod. I was going to use an Xbox controller/memory card set up via a USB adapter for my PC for the actual exchanging of the necessary files, but I am not 100% sure that the memory card would be recognized by the computer via this method. It would save a step in hacking a cable, that is for sure.
I know that the memory card is more expensive than a USB stick, but I probably would need a memory card anyway if I am going to buy some Xbox games.
So if this guide gets the thumbs up...then wish me luck because I am going in!
Oh! Happy New Year!
Geo
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I probably would need a memory card anyway if I am going to buy some Xbox games.
The XBOX has plenty of HDD space for game saves. The memory card will pretty much be useless once you've got the thing modded...
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I probably would need a memory card anyway if I am going to buy some Xbox games.
The XBOX has plenty of HDD space for game saves. The memory card will pretty much be useless once you've got the thing modded...
Uhh, yeah, with an 8GB HDD and like 4+GB dedicated to the partition for saving games, the Xbox1 basically has unlimited space for game saves. Memory card was really only made for transfering save games from one Xbox to another. Unless you fill it up with like OTHER stuff. One of the used Xbox's I got seemed to have a LOT of storage used by default and couldn't figure out why. I finally realized that the previous owner had left like 15 rap CD's ripped to the drive.
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The XBOX has plenty of HDD space for game saves. The memory card will pretty much be useless once you've got the thing modded...
Uhh, yeah, with an 8GB HDD and like 4+GB dedicated to the partition for saving games, the Xbox1 basically has unlimited space for game saves. Memory card was really only made for transfering save games from one Xbox to another. Unless you fill it up with like OTHER stuff. One of the used Xbox's I got seemed to have a LOT of storage used by default and couldn't figure out why. I finally realized that the previous owner had left like 15 rap CD's ripped to the drive.
I wasn't too sure if after soft modding the Xbox that if I wanted to use Xbox games that I could still save games to the HD. However, I have looked up the rather outrageous prices on the Xbox memory cards and I am thinking more and more that a USB (female) to Xbox (male) adapter would be better. At least in that case I could reuse the memory stick for other functions, and like you guys said, for Xbox games I can just store on the HD (if possible after the mod).
That does bring up another question. Once an Xbox is modded, could you still play Xbox games? Or do you have to put the box back to it's original state before Xbox games could be played on it again?
Thanx,
Geo
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Most Xbox games don't even offer the oppertunity to save direct to a memory card, they just save to the hard drive and you can then transfer save game files to the memory card in the dashboard.
A soft modded Xbox can do what any Xbox game expects it to do, including save files.
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Most Xbox games don't even offer the oppertunity to save direct to a memory card, they just save to the hard drive and you can then transfer save game files to the memory card in the dashboard.
A soft modded Xbox can do what any Xbox game expects it to do, including save files.
Oh, ok sounds good. I think the thing that I read was that you couldn't go on to Xbox-Live with a modified box because you would get banned, thus in that case you would have to undo the mods. Anyway, it isn't that big of a deal because my long run intentions are to put the Xbox in a cabinet (bartop). I bought the Xbox for $35, so buying another one (to keep unmodded for a while) isn't going to break the bank.
Thanx,
Geo
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Oh, ok sounds good. I think the thing that I read was that you couldn't go on to Xbox-Live with a modified box because you would get banned, thus in that case you would have to undo the mods.
This IS true, and Microsoft has a very effective automated system for detecting mods on the Xbox1, it's nothing stealthy like on the 360. However as you'll likely find that almost every Xbox1 game except Halo 2 maybe has zero players, Xbox Live access on an Xbox 1 is largely useless.
I even had to get Outrun Online Arcade on my 360 just to get some Outrun multiplayer goodness. While MS keeps the servers for every Xbox1 game going, there are basically no players for almost everything. :( ...Though I woulda got Outrun Online Arcade anyway. HD goodness. :3
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However as you'll likely find that almost every Xbox1 game except Halo 2 maybe has zero players, Xbox Live access on an Xbox 1 is largely useless.
I even had to get Outrun Online Arcade on my 360 just to get some Outrun multiplayer goodness. While MS keeps the servers for every Xbox1 game going, there are basically no players for almost everything. :( ...Though I woulda got Outrun Online Arcade anyway. HD goodness. :3
This is what I was thinking as well. When the original Xbox was new I am sure Xbox-Live was flooded, but now most of those Xbox people jumped on the bandwagon and got a 360. So I would think the Live people would follow suit. I am not 100% sure what all Live has to offer so I was not sure if I would connect to Live or not. I have had a PS2 for quite a long time and I never pursued any on-line ventures with that platform.
However my main interest in the Xbox was discovered right here in this thread. When I learned that you can run Mame on an Xbox, I right away lit up. Given the Xbox's small size in comparison to a PC, it is a shoe-in for a Mame mod for a bar top cabinet. The Xbox would allow me to create a pretty small cabinet and keep all the electronics in a nice small enclosure. Then there is the cost. I paid $34 for the Xbox. I don't think I could do that with a PC and then everything has to be all configured. A PC needs a keyboard encoder too, so that is another expense. With the Xbox, I just have to hack a couple controllers. With 4 controller inputs, that is quite a few buttons I have access to!
I am going to take a trip out tonight and see if I can get some more supplies to mod the Xbox. I already have the memory stick that I want to use, so I just have to build the adapter and get the necessary game for the exploit.
Geo
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Given the Xbox's small size
This is the first time in recorded history that these words have been uttered.
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Given the Xbox's small size
This is the first time in recorded history that these words have been uttered.
LOL! I was referring to the size in relation to using a full PC setup. In a full size cabinet you have plenty room for all the extra cards and plug in devices normally associated with a PC based mame cabinet. But in a bartop cabinet, things can get cramped pretty quickly. So in that aspect the Xbox is small. However, in the context of it's original purpose as a video game console that sits next to your TV...yeah, it is one of the largest video game units I have seen.
Geo
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Given the Xbox's small size
This is the first time in recorded history that these words have been uttered.
LOL! I was referring to the size in relation to using a full PC setup.
I know what you meant. :lol
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Update:
Ok, I FINALLY managed to get out today and start getting the necessary materials for the mod.
First stop was Play N Trade.
Sidebar: For some reason just about all the Game Stops in my area are no longer carrying original Xbox games what gives with that? They still carry Playstation games all the way back to the original Playstation, but when they started carrying used Xbox 360's it seemed they abandoned the original Xbox completely. Play N Trade, while not as big as Game Stop, still carries Xbox games and supplies. Play N Trade even has some old cartridge consoles like the Sega Genesis. Prices are WAY better at Play N Trade as well. Just about all the Xbox games were $4 or $5.
Anyway, they didn't have Mech Attack nor the original version of Splinter Cell, BUT they did have 007: Agent Under Fire. So I picked that game up. While there I picked up a couple extra controllers (for hacking) and extension cable. I walked out of there spending less than $30 for everything.
Next stop was Radio Shack to get a USB extension cable so I can hack that to the end of the Xbox cable. Get this...Radio Shack wants $34 for a 10 foot USB cable. $34?!?!?! What the heck? Why so expensive? I figured a cable like that should be around $10...$15 at the most. So naturally I said "F" that. I have to dig in my old computer cable box and hopefully I can find a USB female to male cable. I don't think I have one though. Usually on USB cables the female end has that 'D' shaped plug on it. However, if that fails, it looks like a trip to Walmart:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=13216164 (http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=13216164)
Ahh, that pricing is much more like it.
So I am going to run some more tests on the Xbox tonight, make sure the game is working and hopefully by tomorrow night, I can get to some serious modding :).
Geo
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Sidebar: For some reason just about all the Game Stops in my area are no longer carrying original Xbox games what gives with that?
Company-wide they started clearancing out Xbox stuff about a year ago and aren't taking anything used. Once it's gone, it's gone.
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Doesn't matter much anyway. Every Xbox game I have bought from Gamestop we'd have to go through 4-5 discs at the counter before the guy would find one recognizable as a DVD. Even after that it would be hit or miss as to whether the DVD was fully readable when I got it home.
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I find that cables like USB cables are cheapest picked up at dollar stores. :)
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I find that cables like USB cables are cheapest picked up at dollar stores. :)
And you get what you pay for. I have USB extension cables from Dollar Tree that SUCK. I now use them to hack for the 5v only.
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And you get what you pay for. I have USB extension cables from Dollar Tree that SUCK. I now use them to hack for the 5v only.
I've never had issues, video, audio, USB and network cables from the dollar store. Those kinda cables arn't exactly rocket science afterall.
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I spent hours trying to install print drivers and get a printer working after wiping Vista to XP. I knew it had worked previously (on a different XP machine). Finally, I realized that the USB cable I was using was a cheap one that came with a cheap child's digital camera. I switched it out and the printer started working immediately.
I don't buy expensive cables, but I'll stick to ones that I know work already from now on.
I mean, I spent ---smurfing--- hours. That damn printer is lucky to be alive right now.
Hours! DAMMIT, now I'm all worked up again! DAMMIT!
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I've never had issues, video, audio, USB and network cables from the dollar store. Those kinda cables arn't exactly rocket science afterall.
No, but cheap is cheap, and I have had interference issues with cheapo USB cables more times than I want to admit. Cheap = badly shielded.
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I have a USB-XBOX adapter you can have for the cost of shipping. Just let me know via PM where to send it, I'll ship and let you know how much it was.
It looks like this one (other than the website being different) and plugs into a controller port on the front of the XBOX. I know it looks kinda weird and that it doesn't look like it would fit but it really does...
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Dangit...now I have another option for my Cab build...and it might just be the perfect one. Time to hit up Craigs List for an X-box…the one I have isn’t allowed to be destroyed…err..hacked…or I might have a rebellion on my hands. I have Splinter Cell (not sure if original release) already, so hopefully that reduces my confusion to just one of these 4 pages. USB extension cables I have if needed, so that is a non-issue!
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I spent hours trying to install print drivers and get a printer working after wiping Vista to XP. I knew it had worked previously (on a different XP machine). Finally, I realized that the USB cable I was using was a cheap one that came with a cheap child's digital camera. I switched it out and the printer started working immediately.
I don't buy expensive cables, but I'll stick to ones that I know work already from now on.
I mean, I spent ---smurfing--- hours. That damn printer is lucky to be alive right now.
Hours! DAMMIT, now I'm all worked up again! DAMMIT!
LOL! I've SOOOO been there. I once spent a few hours at work troubleshooting a laser station's network setup. Fixed IP addresses, VPN settings on our LAN, TCP/IP bindings, etc etc..
And that's when I realized the network cable was not plugged into the printer.
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Hello All,
Wow! Lots of responses today. Ok, since most of the responses were in regards to the USB issue, I will sum that all up now.
In terms of the price, I figured that there would be better cables and El Cheapos...If it WAS for a printer OR a external hard drive, then yes, I probably would spring for the $30 cable with the extra shielding. However, I don't want to spend that kind of money to hack the cable. As it is I probably will be only using the USB adapter with the Xbox once in a blue moon. Once I get the box modded and all my Mame roms on board, then that will be it.
So I am probably going to go to Walmart to get the cheaper cable and will see what happens with that. I will take extra measures to keep the cable short.
Doesn't matter much anyway. Every Xbox game I have bought from Gamestop we'd have to go through 4-5 discs at the counter before the guy would find one recognizable as a DVD. Even after that it would be hit or miss as to whether the DVD was fully readable when I got it home.
Really? Then I must check that game out proto
Company-wide they started clearancing out Xbox stuff about a year ago and aren't taking anything used. Once it's gone, it's gone.
That really sucks. I can understand moving the old system out for the new one, however GameStop STILL has Playstation ONE games which is going two systems back now, not one system back.
But it isn't a big deal because I found Play N Trade and they still have a decent selection of Xbox stuff.
Dangit...now I have another option for my Cab build...and it might just be the perfect one. Time to hit up Craigs List for an X-box…the one I have isn’t allowed to be destroyed…err..hacked…or I might have a rebellion on my hands. I have Splinter Cell (not sure if original release) already, so hopefully that reduces my confusion to just one of these 4 pages. USB extension cables I have if needed, so that is a non-issue!
Yeah, I was surprised to learn that both the original PS2 (not the slimline) and the Xbox could be modified to use Mame (or any other emulator for that matter). It could be also set up as a media center and even a full functional Linux computer. Granted from what I been told you are better off with a PC for PC work. But in terms of using console/arcade emulators, I think it is perfect too.
I guess you been following the thread up to now, huh? Well, I thought the Xbox was the perfect solution to my problem as well. I needed a small computer for a bar top cabinet. With the Xbox everything is all self contained. After getting it ready, you just need to add the screen, a couple of hacked joysticks and you are good to go.
Now getting to the game. I asked the guy in Play N Trade (and it is mentioned here too) and he said the original Splinter Cell (which they didn't have) is the one you need; not Double Agent, not End Game, not conviction, not Pandora or Chaos Theory, etc. All of these will not work.
The 007: Agent Under Fire game I bought does appear to be the original. So I believe I have the right one. I just have to test it to see if it is in good working order.
So I am going to try that out tonight.
Geo
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Got my Xbox today...$40 for the Xbox, all cables including HD ones, 4 controllers and 13 games....of which I already have 5 or so, and most of the rest are sports games.
I have Splinter Cell "Stealth Action Redefined" which I believe is the original. Hacking a controller to add a USB port will be simple with the instructions...I have a custom electrical website where I make Motorcycle Harnesses and such....that part is a breeze.
Gotta test the Xbox first...woohoo
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Got my Xbox today...$40 for the Xbox, all cables including HD ones, 4 controllers and 13 games....of which I already have 5 or so, and most of the rest are sports games.
NICE deal! Where did you get it....Ebay, Craigslist?
I have Splinter Cell "Stealth Action Redefined" which I believe is the original.
When I went to Play N Trade, they had about 3 or 4 different Splinter Cell games. Apparently SC is a series and he told me the original game is JUST plain Splinter Cell. "Stealth Action Redefined" is probably part of the series. However, for all I know it COULD be the first one in the series and the one needed for the hack. But they guy did say the first one was just "Splinter Cell".
At any rate as for the game itself I wasn't interested in Splinter Cell. So I did manage to find a copy of 007: Agent Under Fire and that game I probably will play.
Hacking a controller to add a USB port will be simple with the instructions...I have a custom electrical website where I make Motorcycle Harnesses and such....that part is a breeze.
Yeah from what I gather 'regular' USB has 4 wires +5v, +Data, -Data, Gnd. The Xbox has also a 5th +12v wire which is yellow. So you just have to match the color codes up when going from the XBox male connector to the USB female and you leave the yellow wire floating.
What I find that is so cool about the 5th wire is that you could get an LED WIZ board from Groovy Games and install translucent buttons on your control panel and have it flash the lights. So I can definitely see many uses for that +12v. What I need to find out is what is the max current draw for that line. Don't want to blow something up.
Gotta test the Xbox first...woohoo
Yes, do that right away. I bought my Xbox right before the holidays and I didn't do a thorough testing of it. So I did most of my testing this week. Initially I had noticed the drawer was a bit sluggish and at first I didn't think anything of it as it did read the disc. But last night it almost "ate" my game as the drawer refused to open. Finally after picking at it I got my game out. Needless to say, since I have a "30 day" warranty on the Xbox, it is going to go back and I am going to get another one. This time I am going to make the guy fully test it before I leave the store.
Which does lead me to another question. I am wondering that once I get the unit replaced that maybe I should offer the guy $10 bucks for this one and I can open it up and attempt to fix the drawer myself. After all it probably isn't worth it for the store to pay someone to fix it. I believe it only needs a drawer belt. But once I have it open, I might consider a mod chip so then I would have TWO Xbox's.
Geo
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Yeah, got it on craigs list. The two genuine Microsoft controllers (seem bigger than the S one I have) don't work, but it did come with X-box live headset...
I have a problem now tho...
I am following the guide linked on page 3 (very indepth and well written), and everything worked until it came to saving to a thumb drive....the one I had on hand wasn't supported (PNY 256mb) so I swung by walmart and picked up a 2GB Sandisk Cruzer Micro (on the supported list).
The problem I have is that when dragging the files to the new drive (either file), I get "XBoxPowerSaves MFC Application has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." from Microsoft, and it has to kill the process. When this happens my disk appears to be full of a bunch of files, and nothing I can do will erase them...I have to uninstall the driver, revert to the original driver, format the drive, then revert it back to try again. Anyone else had this issue?
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Yeah, got it on craigs list. The two genuine Microsoft controllers (seem bigger than the S one I have) don't work, but it did come with X-box live headset...
You probably have the original Xbox controller which is affectionately known as "The Duke". Too bad they don't work. If the problem is physical and not electrical then perhaps you can still hack the boards.
I have a problem now tho...
I am following the guide linked on page 3 (very indepth and well written), and everything worked until it came to saving to a thumb drive....the one I had on hand wasn't supported (PNY 256mb) so I swung by walmart and picked up a 2GB Sandisk Cruzer Micro (on the supported list).
Was that the guide I posted? Uh Oh, I have that same 2gig Sandisk drive...
The problem I have is that when dragging the files to the new drive (either file), I get "XBoxPowerSaves MFC Application has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience." from Microsoft, and it has to kill the process. When this happens my disk appears to be full of a bunch of files, and nothing I can do will erase them...I have to uninstall the driver, revert to the original driver, format the drive, then revert it back to try again. Anyone else had this issue?
Wow! I hope I don't run into that problem. Keep us posted on how you solved the issue...like I said, I have the same memory stick!
When you check for USB compatibility use this list:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_USB_Compatibility_List (http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_USB_Compatibility_List)
This list is great because it not only tells you what works, but what doesn't work and any conditions.
For that drive it says "U3 Enabled" and "50,000+ blocks". As I recall U3 is some kind of memory stick manager that is loaded on to the San Disk Cruzer when you buy it. The thing is though, as soon as you plug the memory stick into the Xbox, it will be reformatted anyway. So I don't know if there is a condition that has to be met.
I noticed that for the "mini" versions of the San Disk they are requesting that the file system be changed to FAT32. As of now NTSF is the standard formatting for Windows XP and higher...so you might want to see if your memory stick is formated to FAT32. You should be able to see that information when you put the memory stick into your computer and right click on it and then bring up the properties. One of the first things listed will be the file system.
Try to double check that first. If not, then I would search the web using that error message as a search subject. Perhaps one of the guys here might also know what is going on.
As for me, well tonight I am making a return run to Play N Trade, to get my Xbox swapped out. But I am going to offer them $10 for this one and perhaps I can fix the DVD drive. If not, then I am going to chip mod it and just get my files in and out of it via USB.
Geo
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You can go with that cheap USB cable but heed this advice:
The first time you run into an issue with the USB communication immediately suspect that cable.
First time hacking of a closed system is hard enough without throwing "does this one piece actually work" into the equation. You can waste hours on an issue like that.
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Apparently SC is a series and he told me the original game is JUST plain Splinter Cell. "Stealth Action Redefined" is probably part of the series. However, for all I know it COULD be the first one in the series and the one needed for the hack.
That's the first one.
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At any rate as for the game itself I wasn't interested in Splinter Cell. So I did manage to find a copy of 007: Agent Under Fire and that game I probably will play.
I've read you should NOT play the game you use to do the exploit. It can ruin the save file and undo your softmod.
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Just throwing in my .02$
Listen to ChadTower and GinsuVictim in this thread. It sounds like they both know what they're talking about, 100%
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The following could get technical, feel free to skip it.
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Personally, I've modded over a hundred (that's not an exaggeration, either) boxes, via Xecutor modchips (x1, x2.x, x3), Duo-X modchips (by far the BEST chip, if you're going that route), cheap mexican clones (had a couple guys bring me chips they found in a mexican flea market), softmods using 007AUF, MechAssault, and Splinter Cell (everything from simple Phoenix Bios Loader, to UDE, Krayzee's NDURE that was previously linked), TSOP flashes, you name it. That being said, here's the SUPER SUPER SUPER condensed everything you need to know about xbox modding guide.
Step 1: FIND YOUR XBOX VERSION! (http://www.xbox-scene.com/versions.php)
In the current state, I would recommend one of the following:
Modchip
- Requires: Xbox versions 1.0-1.6b (v1.6 and v1.6b require an LPC rebuild. This is done with either wires, or an LPC rebuild PCB, whichever you feel more comfortable with).
- Requires: Hacked Bios, and a way to flash it (Pre-modded box and hotswap chips, or a flashing disc such as evox)
- Requires: Somewhat advanced soldering experience. LPC is BASIC, d0 wire (modchip activation) is super easy if you use the alternate d0, found on the bottom of the motherboard.
- Solders to the "LPC" (dual rows of pins on the xbox motherboard).
- Duo-X (10 bucks at divineo, can handle (2x512mb) Team Xecutor X2 v5xxx+ bios variants)
- There are more pricey alternatives (x2.6ce or x3), but in the end they run the same BIOS as the Duo-X. Bios banks can be up to 2x1MB (x3 bios on x3 chips only)
- Hacked Bios loads on boot, can boot to either MS Dash, or to the hacked dash directly. Faster boot-up than softmods.
- Typically have a 1MB (8mbit) onboard tsop. This tsop gets flashed in sections, ranging from 4x256MB, 2x512MB, or 1x1MB, but this varies entirely by chip. Cheap clones may only have a 256MB flash.
Softmod
- Requires: Xbox version v1.0-v1.6b
- Requires: A Legitimate copy of either 007: Agent Under Fire (Original only, NOT Platinum Hits)
- OR Mech Assault (Original only, NOT Platinum Hits)
- OOORRR Splinter Cell (NOT Chaos Thoery, Double Agent, or Pandora Tomorrow, Not Platinum Hits)
- Requires: A way to get your hacked gamesave to your xbox.
- xbox memory card adaptor for your computer
- or usb adaptor for your xbox and a USB flash drive
- OR Action Replay (easiest way).
- OOORRRR Already hacked xbox, FTP save to E:\UDATA (or is it TDATA? I don't recall...), put the save on to a memory card, and copy to your "virgin" box ;)
- Requires: Softmod package, available on Xbins.
- NDURE, as linked above, is probably the easiest softmod package to use.
- Boots as Microsoft legitimate xbox, until the softmod is loaded.
- Softmods replace system fonts. Xbox powers on, loads and runs the hacks, reloads the bios on-the-fly, loads hacked dashboard.
TSOP
- Requires: Xbox version below v1.6
- Requires: Same flash tools as a modchip
- Requires: Soldering Iron Experience!
- Ignore this if you have a v1.6 xbox. The TSOP method is removed entirely from them.
- Flashes the onboard bios with a hacked BIOS
- No hardware needed.
- Solder a couple jumpers on your motherboard to enable flashing. Go nuts.
- You'll still need a gamesave exploit in most cases to perform this, as you'll need some way to launch in to a flashing program.
- It helps to be technologically inclined if you're going to attempt this one. This points are much harder to solder than a typical modchip.
- If your BIOS doesn't fully fill the TSOP package, you may need to pad it by adding a second copy of the same bios to itself (CMD: "copy a1.txt+a1.txt b1.txt")
Bioses
- Already integrated in to softmod packages, if you're softmodding, ignore this section.
- 1mb Variants (x3, only works on x3 chips)
- 512mb Variants (x2 5000 and up, works on Duo-X, X2.6ce, and any x2 series chip by team xecutor).
- 256mb Variants (x2 below 5000, works with literally any modchip or TSOP flash)
- Can be customized, to an extent, with applications available on xbins (Ie: Changing boot video colors, changing dashboard boot order, etc.)
Hard drive upgrade
- You can play the games off the hard drive (x:\Games\, x being either E(stock), F(new drive, up to 137gb), or G(above 137gb))
- Apps launch from the hard drive as well, via a homebrew menu (read Dashboards, below)
- If you have even the smallest inclination to try out xbox live (as stated, only good for halo 2 now), you'll need to upgrade your drive BEFORE signing on to live, or the xbox will be banned.
- Hard drives are locked by motherboard, also as stated above. New drives will be unlocked, you'll need to format and lock them with your xbox.
- NEVER UNLOCK YOUR STOCK HARD DRIVE WITH A SOFTMOD! This can, and likely will screw you over. Remedy this with a modchip.
- The best locking\unlocking application to use on your xbox would be ConfigMagic. There are alternatives that run in a Dos environment, but I won't go in to detail on that here.
Dashboards
- These are the custom loader menus you'll use to launch your apps (media players, emulators, etc.) and games (copied from the disc).
- Evox (Evolution-X) was the first dashboard to feature a built-in FTP server, enable file copying, TSOP flashing, and some-what a customizable interface. Think bare-bones, but reliable.
- MXM, Unleash-X - The newer generations of dashboards. Fully customizable, added animated features, sound effects, and on and on. These dashes have an improved FTP server that can handle up to 20MB/s (Bytes, not Bits!)
- THC, UIX, Enigma - Microsoft dashboard hacks. Looks more "stock" than the above, but can also be customized. There was an FTP server hack implemented in these. It's CRAP.
- XBMC! - This is your go-to dash now. This bad boy is an all-in-one dashboard, that's still being developed for to this day. It's been ported over to PC, Has FxP as well as FTP, meaning super speed, xbox-to-xbox transfers, support for almost every audio/video codec and container you can throw at it. Some modding methods may require you to use a forwarder/pre-loader.
- Get them off Xbins
Emulators
- Place in x:\Apps, so that the format is similar to: F:\Apps\xsnes9x\default.xbe. Obviously your drive letter may vary. most dashboards only look at one level in for default.xbe, so make sure you have "apps\foldername\default.xbe" for all of your apps. "Apps\foldername\foldername2\default.xbe" WILL NOT WORK!
- Roms go in x:\apps\emulatorfolder\roms\ in most cases, unless otherwise specified by the emulator (Read the READMES!)
- Get the emulators off Xbins, you'll supply the roms your self, same as PC emulators.
Xbins
- EVERYTHING that you'll need to download for xbox modding will be on XBINS. EVERYTHING. PERIOD. Softmod packages, Bios files (for your modchips), dashboards, emulators, apps like ConfigMagic. EVERYTHING is there.
- Go to their IRC channel (#xbins on EfNet (http://irc://irc.efnet.net/xbins)), you'll need an IRC client installed, such as mIRC (http://www.mirc.com)
- type !list and hit enter, you'll get login information for the xbins FTP site, as well as the XBMC FTP site.
- Go nuts with your favourite FTP client!
Any questions? Feel free to ask :)
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Man.....I think you may have covered too much.
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That's some pretty good info listed in a well organized posting DillonFoulds.
Softmodding via hotswap should be added in there somewhere.
I softmodded a 1.6 via NDURE and a hotswap just last week following THIS THREAD ON XBOX-SCENE (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263). Following the instructions is pretty easy. The only problem that I had was two of the three computers I tried wouldn't recognize the XBOX's HDD. If I hadn't had the issue of the computer's not recognizing the drive I would have completed the task in less than a half hour including the time it takes the program to run which is like 15 minutes. Up until recently I've always been a "modchips are better" kinda guy, and while that still is true to a point, I'm much more open to softmodding now. If I could get rid of the "flubber animation" and the either replace or remove the XBOX logo from startup I would probably never buy another modchip. Then again I haven't tried upgrading the HDD in a softmodded XBOX yet. I'll get back to you when I feel like undertaking that task. It's super easy with a modchip BTW at least with a the Xenium chips that I have been using.
In addition to that information I'd like to recommend "Auto-Xbins". It logs into the correct IRC channel, types in everything you need to get a log in for the FTP site then logs you in to the FTP with it's built in FTP client.
*A small note on Auto-Xbins: Some anti-virus programs might misidentify it as a trojan such as ESET's NOD32 calls it a "variant of Win32/IRCBot trojan" and tries to quarantine it. It's not doing anything that it doesn't show you on screen and I assume that it thinks it's a trojan because it types for you.
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I tried to keep it as "noob friendly" as possible, while still getting AS MUCH information in one post as I could. I think I was fairly close to that goal.
As for that guide, it looks to be pretty decent. I haven't used xboxhdm much myself, so i can't comment much in this department...
Auto-Xbins, and other bots have a tendency to get you temp banned from xbins, so I'd suggest sticking to the manual method myself.
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My problem is still with the USB drive....Drive #1 (PNY 256MB) doesn't work in the Xbox but AR will transfer files to it, and drive #2 (Cruzer mini 2GB) works with the X-box, but when I try to transfer the files it crashes AR and I get a windows error report deal. I tried this on 2 computers to see if it was computer related, but I got the same result.
I will try a Crucial stick I have....after that I will have to try a different method altogether...possibly a hot swap but I am not a fan of that option if I can avoid it.
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My problem is still with the USB drive....Drive #1 (PNY 256MB) doesn't work in the Xbox but AR will transfer files to it, and drive #2 (Cruzer mini 2GB) works with the X-box, but when I try to transfer the files it crashes AR and I get a windows error report deal. I tried this on 2 computers to see if it was computer related, but I got the same result.
I will try a Crucial stick I have....after that I will have to try a different method altogether...possibly a hot swap but I am not a fan of that option if I can avoid it.
The hot swap method is actually very easy. As was mentioned above, it can be completed in 15-20 minutes and that includes the programs installing.
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My problem is still with the USB drive....Drive #1 (PNY 256MB) doesn't work in the Xbox but AR will transfer files to it, and drive #2 (Cruzer mini 2GB) works with the X-box, but when I try to transfer the files it crashes AR and I get a windows error report deal. I tried this on 2 computers to see if it was computer related, but I got the same result.
I will try a Crucial stick I have....after that I will have to try a different method altogether...possibly a hot swap but I am not a fan of that option if I can avoid it.
Do you have the Cruzer MINI 2GB or the MICRO 2GB? The Micro is listed, but not the Mini. However, there is a 1GB MINI listed. Bit of confusion there. Also what OS are you using. Are you using Vista? If so, then just about anything can happen. Been hearing about many problems with Vista. Try running it on an XP system then.
The hot swap method is actually very easy. As was mentioned above, it can be completed in 15-20 minutes and that includes the programs installing.
Hmmmm, I am still kind of leary about going this route. I never swapped drives before with the system on and knowing my luck I probably will fry something. I have a funny feeling though that this project will take a LONG time. Let me explain:
As you know I had trouble with the drawer not opening properly on the first Xbox I bought. So today I returned it and got a replacement unit. This time I made sure the store tested it in front of me. So I get home tonight and hook up the Xbox and get ready to test the unit out with the Agent Under Fire game I bought. As soon as I opened the box, I realized I been dupped again! The disk is the Platinum Hits version, but the box is the original box! Arrrrgghhhhhh! As far as I have been reading in terms of guides as well as what Dillon says above (nice summary BTW, Dillon), the Platinum Hits version will not work. However, in terms of people doing the mod some have said that the Platinum Hits version WILL work. Now I don't know what to believe. So it looks like it to be on the safe side I am going to have to return the game to get the correct original version. Damn, I should have examined the disc before leaving the store...so that one was my Bad.
Ginsu can you tell me what version this Xbox is?
MFG Date: 6-17-02
Serial Number: 3012431 22402
Product Id: 233 3012431 22402
Also can you tell me how to read the info so I can identify Xbox's on my own in the future?
Thanks!
Geo
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I can tell you right off the bat that a 2002 will usually have a lot more wear and tear.
This page tells how to decrypt the serial
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO (http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO)
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Well, my saga is getting stranger. I have attempted to use 2 different XP systems. On both USB Stick #1 is now no longer recognized by AR at all....as if no Memcard is in. USB Stick 2 crashes AR. USB stick 3 acts the same as USB stick 1 where AR doesn't even see it, except the X-box reports that it has to erase the disk if I attempt to put it in there, where Stick 1 it says is no good.
I am wondering if swapping USB sticks confused AR somehow? I am changing the Driver File specs with each disk, but now windows has 3 options for me to choose from prior to me specifying I will find my own..so Windows is remembering the drivers I try to use.
I am afraid the hotswap method is my only hope, and only 1 computer has the chance of working...my luck it won't work.
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Hot swapping isn't that difficult.
I'd suggest (again) posting where you're located. You may find someone locally who can do this for you for the price of a beer or even for free.
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Hot swapping isn't that difficult.
I'd suggest (again) posting where you're located. You may find someone locally who can do this for you for the price of a beer or even for free.
I am located North of Dallas, TX. I do see services offered to do this, but I really don't mind doing it, it just seems my luck that even following the guidelines it doesn't work for me.
I will try the HotSwap method...gotta read up more about how to do it when all I want is XBMC and MAME for now.
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Wouldn't this be a lot easier to do with a Datel Action Replay Max? It comes with an Xbox1 memory card and purpose built USB memory card writer.
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I will try the HotSwap method...gotta read up more about how to do it when all I want is XBMC and MAME for now.
If you follow the instructions in the thread I posted: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263)
You'll end up with UnleashX as your dashboard. This is not a bad thing though since once you've got that up and running all you have to do is some FTPing.
From UnleashX, to get to XBMC, you'll have to FTP a program to your XBOX that has FTP access. I know that sounds kinda weird but you'll understand in a second... I usually just go with XBMC. Yep, I use XBMC to install XBMC because I'm familiar with it. :P
So you'll FTP XBMC into E:\Apps\XBMC
Restart the XBOX
From UnleashX choose XBMC in the Apps folder
Now that XBMC is up and running you will FTP into the XBOX once again and replace the contents of "E:\Dash" (which is the UnleashX dashboard) with XBMC.
IMPORTANT:
Make sure your directory structure looks like:
E:\Dash\default.xbe
and NOT
E:\Dash\XBMC\default.xbe
*note that the ".xbe" file is basically the XBOX's version of an executable or ".exe" file in windows. Also understand that "default.xbe" isn't the only file you'll be having to move into the cleared "Dash" folder. You will move everything from the XBMC folder into there.
I'm sure there are about a million other ways to replace UnleashX as the dash on a NDURE softmodded XBOX, for example, burning one of the various "auto-installers" that has FTP access. Of course then you're wasting discs and whatnot and most drives just don't like to read CDrs and some even have trouble with DVDrs.
Regardless, the goal is to replace the files in E:\Dash with XBMC.
If anyone has any specific questions about hotswapping following the tutorial in the thread I posted or even wants someone to walk them through it while there doing it via AIM or some other method, I'd be glad to do so. I just did this a few days ago so it's fresh in my memory.
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Thanks crashwg, that makes it seem very doable!
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I can tell you right off the bat that a 2002 will usually have a lot more wear and tear.
Or it could have been used in the beginning and then shelved for a couple years. Can't really tell for sure.
This page tells how to decrypt the serial
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO (http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO)
Ok, so it looks like I have a first run unit, version 1.0.
Well, my saga is getting stranger. I have attempted to use 2 different XP systems. On both USB Stick #1 is now no longer recognized by AR at all....as if no Memcard is in. USB Stick 2 crashes AR. USB stick 3 acts the same as USB stick 1 where AR doesn't even see it, except the X-box reports that it has to erase the disk if I attempt to put it in there, where Stick 1 it says is no good.
On both XP machines do you have the original version of XP or Service Pack 2? You need Service Pack 2 for the USB to operate properly.
I am wondering if swapping USB sticks confused AR somehow? I am changing the Driver File specs with each disk, but now windows has 3 options for me to choose from prior to me specifying I will find my own..so Windows is remembering the drivers I try to use.
I am afraid the hotswap method is my only hope, and only 1 computer has the chance of working...my luck it won't work.
I wonder if it could be like what the guys were saying about using a good cable. Given your problems AND the fact that I been dupped with my Agent Under Fire disc...I am slowly debating if I should go this route myself. Ginsu says that my replacement box is old and he is correct, it looks like a first run unit version 1.0.
So I am beginning to think that by the time I spend all the money on cables games and memory sticks I would be at the price of another Xbox in the event I blow this one up. So the hot swap method or a chip mod may be a better answer. Since this is a first run Xbox, it might be easier to chip mod it than a version 1.6 unit.
I don't know guys, what do you think?
Tightwad...what version is your unit?
Hot swapping isn't that difficult.
I'd suggest (again) posting where you're located. You may find someone locally who can do this for you for the price of a beer or even for free.
I been thinking about it. The Xbox cost me $35, right? So now with the game, the extension cables, USB drive (as I have the same one Tightwad has), I am now looking at an expensive proposition just to get the Xbox soft modded. So as I said above, hotswapping and chip modding is beginning to look more attractive.
So, Hoopz, what are the odds of blowing up an Xbox on a hot swap?
Another question. After the hot swap is done and everything is running, how do you add more roms to Mame later on? I know that with the soft mod you can use the memory stick. Would you burn roms to a DVD and use the Xbox to load up new roms that way?
Wouldn't this be a lot easier to do with a Datel Action Replay Max? It comes with an Xbox1 memory card and purpose built USB memory card writer.
You mean this thing?
http://www.amazon.com/Datel-Max-XBOX-Action-Replay/dp/B001T8IKFY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262980308&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Datel-Max-XBOX-Action-Replay/dp/B001T8IKFY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1262980308&sr=8-3)
Look at the price.
If you follow the instructions in the thread I posted: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=496263)
I seen that document before...in fact that is the one I feel asleep on reading. It is like reading a phone book and it is probably just as big too. I don't need Unleash X nor NDure. I am interested in XBMC, but for now I am fine with CoinOPS Ignite (or the like). This document just seems like the really really really long way to to do it. So I am looking for something a bit more cut and dry.
If anyone has any specific questions about hotswapping following the tutorial in the thread I posted or even wants someone to walk them through it while there doing it via AIM or some other method, I'd be glad to do so. I just did this a few days ago so it's fresh in my memory.
I think if the hot swap method is cut and dry and there is at least a 75% chance I will NOT blow up the Xbox, then I think I might risk it. The only thing that would hold be back is if there is a risk to the PC that your swapping too. I might not mind if the Xbox blows up, but I would be awfully pissed if the PC blows up too. So I am really not willing to risk the PC.
The last option would be the chip mod. Since I have a version 1.0 Xbox AND I do have extensive soldering capabilities (I am a technician)...would this be a better option? If so then what are the types and costs of the chips I should use?
Given my experience with soldering rate from easiest to hardest what is the best option:
1) Soft Mod using the memory stick (as I was going to do)
2) Hard drive hot swap
3) Install a mod chip.
Thanx all.
Geo
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once the xbox is modded, you can FTP in to transfer files.
you are making this WAY too complicated. why dont you just paypal someone some money and buy a memcard with the exploit on it? as for AUF, Ive heard that the platinum version works just peachy
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once the xbox is modded, you can FTP in to transfer files.
you are making this WAY too complicated. why dont you just paypal someone some money and buy a memcard with the exploit on it? as for AUF, Ive heard that the platinum version works just peachy
Any idea who sells these cards? I might be interested only because I already made the cable and because my AR attempt didn't work...I know it shouldn't be this complicated! I am not worried about bricking the Xbox really...it's a $40 purchase that came with enough other stuff that even if it fails I come out even.
I think Jukingeo and I want the same thing...a no frills MAME setup for the Xbox. I have a version 1.6 XBox, not sure the date as I didn't write any numbers down and it isn't the one I originally purchased new.
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Good to know Malenko, I'll make note of that about the AUF Platinum version.
If you're worried about complexity and risk of blowing something in the hotswap process, first thing i would suggest is getting some alligator clamps, and tie the xbox shielding to your PC shielding. This will help prevent static shorts/shocks.
Also, I'm not against the hotswap process. It's (mostly) free, and it's proven to work time and time again. I've done it, and it works. If you're gonna hotswap, i say go for it! HOWEVER, if you're confident with your soldering, you are just as well going the modchip route. 10 bucks plus shipping for a DuoX, and you'll need a CD-RW, as most drives are picky about CD-Rs (hey, you can always erase it then!). Modchips will give you greater control over the boot process, and if you pull a bonehead move and unlock your hard drive, the modchip won't fail like a softmod.
The trade offs to a chip, is it will cost you about the same, if not less, if you don't need to buy a copy of a game and a memory card/USB drive. More secure as a fail-safe. Less chance of error (again, not saying hot-swapping is faulty, but it's not without it's risks. Also, with a modchip, you install it, configure your bios to boot e:\dash\default.xbe, flash your BIOS, ftp your dash to e:\dash\, and you're done. Unless you screw up soldering, your xbox will never become a brick.
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once the xbox is modded, you can FTP in to transfer files.
Ok, so you do that through the ethernet connection then. Gotcha.
you are making this WAY too complicated. why dont you just paypal someone some money and buy a memcard with the exploit on it?
Didn't know that was an option. Where would I look?
as for AUF, Ive heard that the platinum version works just peachy
I been doing some reading up on this today and I am getting mixed answers. Many are saying it will not work, and other like yourself say it does work.
Then I found something that shed some light on scene supposedly if you have a number written on the disc at the end of all the copyright junk that is 1448517, then that Platinum Hits AUF will work, if has the number 1448527, then it will NOT work. And lucky me, I have the 1448527 version.
I think Jukingeo and I want the same thing...a no frills MAME setup for the Xbox. I have a version 1.6 XBox, not sure the date as I didn't write any numbers down and it isn't the one I originally purchased new.
Exactly. That is what I am looking for too.
Good to know Malenko, I'll make note of that about the AUF Platinum version.
Well, after reading what I came across today, I am not 100% (see above).
If you're worried about complexity and risk of blowing something in the hotswap process, first thing i would suggest is getting some alligator clamps, and tie the xbox shielding to your PC shielding. This will help prevent static shorts/shocks.
Well it is like I said, if there is a 75% success ratio for the Xbox and 100% for the PC then I will do it. If there is even a 10% chance I will take out my PC, then forget it. The PC is not as expendable as the Xbox.
Also, I'm not against the hotswap process. It's (mostly) free, and it's proven to work time and time again. I've done it, and it works. If you're gonna hotswap, i say go for it!
What you suggest would be a good guide that would increase my chances?
HOWEVER, if you're confident with your soldering
Very much so, I make my living on soldering.
, you are just as well going the modchip route. 10 bucks plus shipping for a DuoX, and you'll need a CD-RW, as most drives are picky about CD-Rs (hey, you can always erase it then!). Modchips will give you greater control over the boot process, and if you pull a bonehead move and unlock your hard drive, the modchip won't fail like a softmod.
Where do I get the DuoX chip?
The trade offs to a chip, is it will cost you about the same, if not less, if you don't need to buy a copy of a game and a memory card/USB drive. More secure as a fail-safe. Less chance of error (again, not saying hot-swapping is faulty, but it's not without it's risks. Also, with a modchip, you install it, configure your bios to boot e:\dash\default.xbe, flash your BIOS, ftp your dash to e:\dash\, and you're done. Unless you screw up soldering, your xbox will never become a brick.
So from start to finish, chipping an Xbox would be considerably faster and less involved than a soft mod, correct? I am also assuming that since I have the version 1 box that chipping it should be far easier than with the version 1.6 box, right?
Once again, is there a good guide on installing the DuoX?
Once I see some inside pictures of the XBox and how the chip is installed It would help me make a better decision. But given the trouble Tightwad has been having and it seems like I have similar equipment to what he has, I think I am going to have the same troubles.
Tightwad, let me know what route you are going to go next. I might follow the same path as you. As it is I am slowly loosing confidence in the softmod/game method. While it sounded like the best way to go because it really is very low risk, it just seems like there are quite a few variables to deal with.
One thing that is sitting over my head in terms of all the forms of modifying...with a chip mod, you can unlock the drive and upgrade it. Given that my Xbox is a much older version it does pose the question of how long with the hard drive last. With a chip mod, changing the drive should be easy.
Edit:
I looked up some installation guides on the Duo X. This is the first one I found:
http://www.modchipworld.co.uk/store/duo-x_2_diagrams_v1.5.html (http://www.modchipworld.co.uk/store/duo-x_2_diagrams_v1.5.html)
Are you kidding me?!?! That looks like a walk in the park compared to the document that crash wg pointed out. Get a load of this too. Look at the bottom of that document, it says that if you turn the Xbox on via the eject button rather than the power button, the Xbox turns the mod chip off and you can still go on Xbox-Live.
Whoa! I think I been barking up the wrong tree by not checking out the chips first.
If it is THAT easy, then count me in for a chip mod.
Edit:
Is this a reputable company? Is this the chip I should get?
http://www.modchipcity.com/duox3moforxb.html (http://www.modchipcity.com/duox3moforxb.html)
Thanx guys,
Geo
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I am also assuming that since I have the version 1 box that chipping it should be far easier than with the version 1.6 box, right?
A version 1 XBOX is a cakewalk to solder a modchip in. I had zero experience the first time I did it and it went swimmingly. The only challenging part was the "D0" point. It's a very small point on the board that you have to solder to.
I would say that if you're confident in your soldering skills (which you obviously are) and the softmodding stuff is getting your knickers in a twist then you should definitely go with the chip.
As for the link you provided for the chip... I have no experience with them but like DillonFoulds said, "10 bucks plus shipping for a DuoX" is pretty much the norm and for the "no frills" type of thing you're going for you don't need whatever extras might come with a chip that cost more.
You should look for a DuoX 2.
Here's a guy that's selling them for $13 shipped to the Con-US. Seems to have many a happy customer. It does say on the first post "my old thread...MODS, PLEASE CLOSE." but that posting was from 2008 and if you go to the last page you'll see he's still selling them.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376)
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I am also assuming that since I have the version 1 box that chipping it should be far easier than with the version 1.6 box, right?
A version 1 XBOX is a cakewalk to solder a modchip in. I had zero experience the first time I did it and it went swimmingly. The only challenging part was the "D0" point. It's a very small point on the board that you have to solder to.
I would say that if you're confident in your soldering skills (which you obviously are) and the softmodding stuff is getting your knickers in a twist then you should definitely go with the chip.
As for the link you provided for the chip... I have no experience with them but like DillonFoulds said, "10 bucks plus shipping for a DuoX" is pretty much the norm and for the "no frills" type of thing you're going for you don't need whatever extras might come with a chip that cost more.
You should look for a DuoX 2.
Here's a guy that's selling them for $13 shipped to the Con-US. Seems to have many a happy customer. It does say on the first post "my old thread...MODS, PLEASE CLOSE." but that posting was from 2008 and if you go to the last page you'll see he's still selling them.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376)
I contacted him to order one....for $13 it can't hurt, and I checked about a SATA-IDE adapter...I have a spare 200GB HD that won't be much use for upgrades as I would prefer a bigger drive.
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There's divineo you could try out, i think they're got them for 9.99 plus tax and shipping.
Look up the alternate D0 point, and it will be a cakewalk. It's on the bottom of the motherboard, so there's a few extra screws, but it'll save you the hassle of scraping resin and risking a trace lift (doubtful you will if you're experienced soldering).
http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm (http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm) - First google result of "alternate d0".
The risk to your pc is the same as the risk to you xbox, if something were to blow, it'd be a 50-50% chance it'd be one of the other.
Any hotswap guide will give you the same chances of frying something, it's just in the nature of the swap. Linking the shielding/grounding will increase your chances of success.
If you guys would like, I'll bust open one of my xboxes and snap a few pictures for you all. Would you guys like me to repost my above post in a new thread, and maybe we'll flesh it out to a more definitive guide, perhaps?
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There's divineo you could try out, i think they're got them for 9.99 plus tax and shipping.
Look up the alternate D0 point, and it will be a cakewalk. It's on the bottom of the motherboard, so there's a few extra screws, but it'll save you the hassle of scraping resin and risking a trace lift (doubtful you will if you're experienced soldering).
http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm (http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm) - First google result of "alternate d0".
The risk to your pc is the same as the risk to you xbox, if something were to blow, it'd be a 50-50% chance it'd be one of the other.
Any hotswap guide will give you the same chances of frying something, it's just in the nature of the swap. Linking the shielding/grounding will increase your chances of success.
If you guys would like, I'll bust open one of my xboxes and snap a few pictures for you all. Would you guys like me to repost my above post in a new thread, and maybe we'll flesh it out to a more definitive guide, perhaps?
I think the guide that Ginsu, crashwg, and I've linked to is fine. The first post covers all of the details. Yes it gets long and convoluted, but the first and only first post gives you everything you need to do it. The Q&A after it may be beneficial if and only if someone encounters a problem. I don't mean to sound like an ass though. I'm not good at soldering so the hotswap was the easiest method for me. Literally, the first time I did it, it took 20 minutes. No mess, no problems.
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A version 1 XBOX is a cakewalk to solder a modchip in. I had zero experience the first time I did it and it went swimmingly. The only challenging part was the "D0" point. It's a very small point on the board that you have to solder to. I would say that if you're confident in your soldering skills (which you obviously are) and the softmodding stuff is getting your knickers in a twist then you should definitely go with the chip.
No knickers in a twist...just listening to the voice of experience. Tightwad is having trouble and it does sound like he is using similar stuff to what I have. Just in my case I was fortunate that I didn't get the cable as of yet. I been dupped on the game. Lets just say I am pretty good at listening to a bad vibe and as they say all the time in Star Wars, "I get a bad feeling about this".
As for the D0 point, I looked at it...no problem, the trace is wider than the ic next to it and I HAVE soldered #30 wire to a lead that size before. So D0 should be a cake walk.
As for the link you provided for the chip... I have no experience with them but like DillonFoulds said, "10 bucks plus shipping for a DuoX" is pretty much the norm and for the "no frills" type of thing you're going for you don't need whatever extras might come with a chip that cost more.
So far I have not seen it for that price, but $20 is still fine.
You should look for a DuoX 2.
Ok, so the DuoX 2 is better than the DuoX 3? I see the '3' more often though.
Here's a guy that's selling them for $13 shipped to the Con-US. Seems to have many a happy customer. It does say on the first post "my old thread...MODS, PLEASE CLOSE." but that posting was from 2008 and if you go to the last page you'll see he's still selling them.
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=666376)
Yes, I just was looking over the site and so far the pricing is good. I will give him an EM for $13, can't beat that. I certainly seems cheaper than the current soft mod route I am on. Good thing I didn't cut into the Xbox extension cable I bought!
I contacted him to order one....for $13 it can't hurt, and I checked about a SATA-IDE adapter...I have a spare 200GB HD that won't be much use for upgrades as I would prefer a bigger drive.
LOL! I guess you saw that price too and jumped. However, you mentioned you had a version 1.6 box. That one is harder to get a chip into (from what I read). For me I am basically using the older version to my advantage and that is why I feel at this point I think it probably would be easier to get the mod chip. The directions to install it are just a few paragraphs long...sure beats that mile long document that was posted earlier.
There's divineo you could try out, i think they're got them for 9.99 plus tax and shipping.
Do you have a link?
Look up the alternate D0 point, and it will be a cakewalk. It's on the bottom of the motherboard, so there's a few extra screws, but it'll save you the hassle of scraping resin and risking a trace lift (doubtful you will if you're experienced soldering).
http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm (http://www.x-elixis.com/final/installation/do-point.htm) - First google result of "alternate d0".
Is that the alternate point in that link? But I have repaired pretty fine traces before. I fix digital pianos and many times a customer spills something into the keybed and then all of a sudden a section of keys stops playing. What I find is that cola had seeped down onto the key matrix board and eaten away a trace or two. So I do end up scraping the fine traces and soldering a #30 wire in place to jump the gap. So I think I should be good with D0.
The risk to your pc is the same as the risk to you xbox, if something were to blow, it'd be a 50-50% chance it'd be one of the other. Any hotswap guide will give you the same chances of frying something, it's just in the nature of the swap. Linking the shielding/grounding will increase your chances of success.
Yeah, that isn't good. If I had a spare PC around (well actually I do but they are all Windows 98, I only have two XP machines and I am not risking them)
If you guys would like, I'll bust open one of my xboxes and snap a few pictures for you all. Would you guys like me to repost my above post in a new thread, and maybe we'll flesh it out to a more definitive guide, perhaps?
That does sound like a plan. What would be good is too is for the those that still want to do the soft mod is to try to condense that behemoth that Crash posted. Your post did well to give us the 'abridged' version. So it would be cool if there was a good thread on the mods.
Since it is clear that both Tightwad and myself are going to go the hard mod route and it does seem like that is the easiest one to write up, lets start with that one. I think it would be cool if you started with the cover of the Xbox off and then "zoom" in to the connection points to where the mod chip will be installed. Anyway, not telling you what to do, I am sure you can do great writing it up your own way...it's just a suggestion.
I think the guide that Ginsu, crashwg, and I've linked to is fine. The first post covers all of the details. Yes it gets long and convoluted, but the first and only first post gives you everything you need to do it.
Oh yeah, I am not saying it isn't fine or 'bad', however, I am just looking for the 'condensed' or abridged version because I just don't have the patience to read through all of that.
The Q&A after it may be beneficial if and only if someone encounters a problem. I don't mean to sound like an ass though.
Oh, not at all, I would never think that. I know you guys are helping out and trust me I tremendously appreciate it. It is just me though. I saw what Tightwad was going through, I saw the length of that guide and I thought to myself, if I am going to invest all the time to read that, pay good money to get all the materials and then something still doesn't go right...I would be mighty pissed to the max. Given that the mod chips isn't like $40 or more, I think it would be the better and more then likely cheaper bet.
I'm not good at soldering so the hotswap was the easiest method for me. Literally, the first time I did it, it took 20 minutes. No mess, no problems.
That is understandable. While I wasn't born with the silver soldering iron in my mouth, I came damn close. I was soldering and kit building when I was 9 years old. And I haven't put down the soldering iron yet. So in terms of installing a chip, I have the advantage over some here. I have more confidence in my soldering ability than trying to switch a hard drive while everything is turned on.
I know initially I was a bit leary about doing the chip mod because I HAD a version 1.6 unit, and many are complaining that it is very difficult to solder in that version. BUT now that doesn't apply anymore because I have a version 1 unit.
So I guess it is a go for the hard mod. I will contact the fellow that is selling those chips and place an order for one.
Once again thanx for the info guys!
Oh! Almost forgot, I changed the subject title around a bit so it starts with "Xbox mod" first. Also in the context of that title, once I get the mod going I would like to take it all the way up to installing Mame.
Tightwad, are you going the XBMC route to Mame or are you more interested in putting your console in a cabinet like I am? If it is the latter then perhaps we should both use CoinOps Ignite for Mame.
Here is what it looks like:
CoinOPS IGNITE Demo - Xbox MAME Emulator - Emulator Walkthrough and Gameplay - HQ VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-ZG3WBM6uA#)
Geo
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The XBox may be a temporary Mame platform for me....I am building a Cabinet...I still have to figure out how to integrate the controls into the Xbox...I planned to use a keyboard and computer...so that will probably be my end state. The good thing is I can do both...just takes some doing.
The CoinOps looks cool, I will have to read up on that more.
4 USB drives...so far I can't get Action Replay to transfer to the 2 bigger drives, the one smaller drive the Xbox doesn't like, and one drive AR can't seem to see....I a sure given enough drives I could get it to work, but 4 is all I have or can afford to buy (you can never have too many USB drives really).
I am not too afraid of soldering, even the 1.6 board. It takes an adapter, but that is included in the $13 price, and just takes some modding. I have replaced surface mount resistors on motherboards before where I accidentally scraped them off, so I am sure I can handle this one.
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wanna see how I modded my first XBOX?
(http://home.comcast.net/~llinrac/enigmah1.jpg)
(http://home.comcast.net/~llinrac/enigmah2.jpg)
64 total solder points with a Radio shack iron on a brand new $250(?) XBOX. if you wanna mod stuff, you gotta grow a pair.
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Can't be afraid to screw things up, that's for sure! I am not afraid to try just about anything, but with so many choices it sure has been helpful to get concentrated opinions and feedback.
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I got it!
Well, I got the Xbox to finally recognize the files...kids were watching a movie so I didn't proceed the rest of the way yet. The key for me was USB try #5....a 128MB sandisk SD card in a cheap adapter I got from DealExtreme or some such...been sitting in my junk box for a couple years because 128MB just wasn't useful enough.
I figured if my 256MB card worked, but both bigger drives (2GB and 4GB) would lock up...maybe a smaller drive would be easier....worked first try after changing the driver file of course.
Still going to get the mod chip I think, always wanted to try one and I also want to use a bigger drive for emulator storage.
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What version # of the MAME ROMS does CoinOps Ignite for the XBox use?
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I've always heard .84
Anyone confirm?
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Can't comment on that particular build. I never got in to mame until just recently when I started my first cab.
As for the DuoX2, there is no DuoX3. The chips are built by Team Omega (http://www.duomodchip.com). The Duo3 is a ps2 modchip. DuoX series is for xbox and DuoQ is for gamecube. I also notice that they've got a wii chip out, although that's pretty much useless now.
www.divineo.com (http://www.divineo.com)
www.eurasia.nu (http://www.eurasia.nu) - Cheaper prices, cheap shipping, but it can take a couple weeks for it to arrive. They'll be shipping from Asia.
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Softmod is done....I feel so accomplished!
Now I have to figure out how to install MAME, and where to get the stuff for that!
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Softmod is done....I feel so accomplished!
Now I have to figure out how to install MAME, and where to get the stuff for that!
You'll probably need to use Xbins. Make sure you follow the rules. You'll get kicked out for a day or two if you don't. ::)
Here's a link to how to use it: http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php (http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php)
Here's what was posted earlier about it too from DillonFoulds:
Xbins
- EVERYTHING that you'll need to download for xbox modding will be on XBINS. EVERYTHING. PERIOD. Softmod packages, Bios files (for your modchips), dashboards, emulators, apps like ConfigMagic. EVERYTHING is there.
- Go to their IRC channel (#xbins on EfNet (http://irc://irc.efnet.net/xbins)), you'll need an IRC client installed, such as mIRC (http://www.mirc.com)
- type !list and hit enter, you'll get login information for the xbins FTP site, as well as the XBMC FTP site.
- Go nuts with your favourite FTP client!
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Thanks! I installed MAMEoX last night, with a few Roms I had already. It was a bit confusing understanding how/where to put the files. I created an "Emulator" folder, and put my MAMEoX folder inside, which had a "rom" folder in it. I was expecting to need to do some more to configure, but when I went tho the "Games" tab, it was there! I ran it, played a bit of Arkanoid, then finally called it a night at 3am.
Still not sure how it worked...seems a bit like magic! I assume if I want to get rid of it I can just strip the MAMEoX folder off the hard drive and it will go away. I will look into X-bins now (or a bit later, gotta do some garage cleaning so I can start my Cab build!)
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You will need .84 roms for MamedoX
CoinOPS is miles better though.
Congrats on getting it soft modded. :applaud:
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wanna see how I modded my first XBOX?
64 total solder points with a Radio shack iron on a brand new $250(?) XBOX. if you wanna mod stuff, you gotta grow a pair.
64 solder points and $250, I would say you got lucky that you didn't blow anything up.
Can't be afraid to screw things up, that's for sure! I am not afraid to try just about anything, but with so many choices it sure has been helpful to get concentrated opinions and feedback.
I always was more on the careful side and many times I double or even triple check my work. Many might think I am overdoing it, but perhaps it does have something to do with getting a high success ratio. Generally when I build kits, they work first time 98% of the time.
I guess since that now I have the older version of the Xbox, my confidence is increased since that particular version is pretty easy to work on.
Weighing the actual procedure to get a modded box, it looks like the softmod side weighs heavy indeed in comparison to just soldering a chip in.
I got it!
Well, I got the Xbox to finally recognize the files...kids were watching a movie so I didn't proceed the rest of the way yet. The key for me was USB try #5....a 128MB sandisk SD card in a cheap adapter I got from DealExtreme or some such...been sitting in my junk box for a couple years because 128MB just wasn't useful enough.
I figured if my 256MB card worked, but both bigger drives (2GB and 4GB) would lock up...maybe a smaller drive would be easier....worked first try after changing the driver file of course.
Still going to get the mod chip I think, always wanted to try one and I also want to use a bigger drive for emulator storage.
This is interesting news, but congratulations on getting it going! You might be on to something with the smaller drive. The drive size might be too big for the Xbox to properly recognize or format. For the San Disk 4gb Cruzer they even recommend breaking that down into partitions. I was wondering if you could try something out. Try breaking up that 2gb Cruzer you have into 256mb sections for the first gig. Then assign one of those for the Xbox partition. If then the Cruzer is recognized and you can move files to and fro then you are good to go. The reason why I mention this is because I remember working with video files not to long ago and with a FAT32 system (which is what the Xbox wants), the files couldn't be any larger than 2gig. If they were they wouldn't transfer. I had to set up my drive for NTSF so the full video file would transfer.
If this is indeed the case, then a sticky note should be made about it because memory sticks aren't getting smaller, they are getting bigger and bigger.
As for the DuoX2, there is no DuoX3. The chips are built by Team Omega (http://www.duomodchip.com). The Duo3 is a ps2 modchip. DuoX series is for xbox and DuoQ is for gamecube. I also notice that they've got a wii chip out, although that's pretty much useless now.
www.divineo.com (http://www.divineo.com)
Perhaps that was it. It was a Duo3 I was looking at by mistake. Anyway, thanx for the link, I will check it out.
You'll probably need to use Xbins. Make sure you follow the rules. You'll get kicked out for a day or two if you don't. ::)
Here's a link to how to use it: http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php (http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php)
Gotcha. So this Xbins site has everything then.
Since I am going to shift gears for the chip mod once that is done then I only need XBMC and CoinOps Ignite, right?
Thanks! I installed MAMEoX last night, with a few Roms I had already. It was a bit confusing understanding how/where to put the files. I created an "Emulator" folder, and put my MAMEoX folder inside, which had a "rom" folder in it. I was expecting to need to do some more to configure, but when I went tho the "Games" tab, it was there! I ran it, played a bit of Arkanoid, then finally called it a night at 3am.
Still not sure how it worked...seems a bit like magic! I assume if I want to get rid of it I can just strip the MAMEoX folder off the hard drive and it will go away. I will look into X-bins now (or a bit later, gotta do some garage cleaning so I can start my Cab build!)
If MAMEoX follows the same directory structure Mame for PC does, then all you really have to do is put your roms in the roms folder, the snapshots in the snapshots folder, cabinet pix in the cabinet pix folder and so on and so forth. Since I am already an avid user of Mame that should be straight forward. I believe that in terms of the Xbox, MAMEoX and CoinOPS provide the front end needed to select games. In the PC world setting up your front end could be a big pain in the neck. So perhaps those programs help to make setup easier.
My goal is to go and use CoinOps for Mame as that program seems to cater to cabinets.
Anyway, if you get a shot see if you can do that as I mentioned above with breaking those other memory sticks down in partitions (particularly the Cruzer 2gig stick). If it works then I MIGHT still consider the soft mod. But given the low price on the chip and the fact that I have the earlier version of the Xbox, I think it is in my best interest to hard mod this box. Since it is old, I don't know the longevity on the hard drive and with a hard mod, the door is open for me to swap out the hard drive for a bigger one if I want to.
Geo
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You will need .84 roms for MamedoX
CoinOPS is miles better though.
Congrats on getting it soft modded. :applaud:
What version roms do you need for CoinOPS?
BTW, thanx for the info on your avatar. I got a really cool idea of what to do for Halloween! Heh Heh Heh.
Geo
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I just remembered something that is important for you Jukingeo, having a version 1.0 XBOX and all... The 1.0 is the only version of the XBOX that has a GPU fan and it is notorious for becoming extremely loud and crapping out. If your XBOX starts to get loud that's the first place you should look. The fan is extremely small and as far as I know, not a normal form factor, at least I've never seen a fan like it other than on a 1.0 XBOX. You might have luck trying to fit another fan on when it goes or you could do what I did which was get a GPU heat sink from a non-1.0 and swap it in.
Oh, and not it matters so much now since you've all but made the decision to go hard-mod, but one of those spare win98 boxes would probably work just fine for the hot-swap. You'd just make the disc on your newer pc then load it up in the old one for the hot-swap.
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I just remembered something that is important for you Jukingeo, having a version 1.0 XBOX and all... The 1.0 is the only version of the XBOX that has a GPU fan and it is notorious for becoming extremely loud and crapping out.
Ehhh, I am not worried. My company has a Mouser account. We can get just about anything from them. I am sure they have the fan. Luckily the fan IS working.
Oh, and not it matters so much now since you've all but made the decision to go hard-mod, but one of those spare win98 boxes would probably work just fine for the hot-swap. You'd just make the disc on your newer pc then load it up in the old one for the hot-swap.
Ok, gotcha. I know most might be comfortable with the hot swap, and that might be an option I might still consider if I get a 1.6 Xbox again. But I think that because I have an older one, I am going to take advantage of the chip mod for this unit.
Thanx,
Geo
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wanna see how I modded my first XBOX?
64 total solder points with a Radio shack iron on a brand new $250(?) XBOX. if you wanna mod stuff, you gotta grow a pair.
64 solder points and $250, I would say you got lucky that you didn't blow anything up.
I disagree. I read the guides and took my time, and what I did was infinitely moe complex then what you are trying, and it worked. There is a fine line between believing in luck and having some faith in your ability.
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I don't know how to create partitions and only assign one of them to the Xbox...and in any case I don't need it now of course, as I have a trusty 128MB card with the USB adapter. If you would like to try the soft mod I can send it to you...I think I am in it about $8 for the adapter I bought....the card was from a woot Bag of Crap or something, so value there is basically nothing.
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wanna see how I modded my first XBOX?
64 total solder points with a Radio shack iron on a brand new $250(?) XBOX. if you wanna mod stuff, you gotta grow a pair.
64 solder points and $250, I would say you got lucky that you didn't blow anything up.
I disagree. I read the guides and took my time, and what I did was infinitely moe complex then what you are trying, and it worked. There is a fine line between believing in luck and having some faith in your ability.
Lol then you saw this online after burning your fingers...? :laugh2:
(http://www.divineo.com/divineo_support/products/dd-xb_x3sl10/big_img2.jpg)
You will need .84 roms for MamedoX
CoinOPS is miles better though.
Congrats on getting it soft modded. :applaud:
What version roms do you need for CoinOPS?
BTW, thanx for the info on your avatar. I got a really cool idea of what to do for Halloween! Heh Heh Heh.
Geo
Hehe nice one mate perfect for halloween!
I do not know what version of Mame for CoinOPs, as the games look slightly altered (to probably play faster?) or are hacks. I got the entire 4gb image from an interesting site and via rapidshare. That should be enough clues.... :o
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Lol then you saw this online after burning your fingers...? :laugh2:
naw, they didnt invent solderless modchips till way after I modded mine. thats an original Enigmah chip =)
but yeah they just keep makin it easier and easier. Also, for the record, I never had much luck with the solderless chips, they tend to shift or scrape traces, of course the XBOX I have now is softmoded with a 120GB HD and its nice and cozy sitting in a plastic tub, lol
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I disagree. I read the guides and took my time, and what I did was infinitely moe complex then what you are trying, and it worked. There is a fine line between believing in luck and having some faith in your ability.
Well, for the average it is luck. Unless of course you are like me and solder often. Even still, I have my qualms about tearing into something that is $250. With my first Playstation, I waited until the price came down and even then I bought a used one for less than $60 to do my first mod. I am NOT a risk taker, some people are.
I don't know how to create partitions and only assign one of them to the Xbox...and in any case I don't need it now of course, as I have a trusty 128MB card with the USB adapter. If you would like to try the soft mod I can send it to you...I think I am in it about $8 for the adapter I bought....the card was from a woot Bag of Crap or something, so value there is basically nothing.
What would be the cost shipped to 11741?
Lol then you saw this online after burning your fingers...? :laugh2:
And what is that contraption?
Hehe nice one mate perfect for halloween!
In EE you said to watch the video with the lights on, Nuh uh. TURN THEM OFF! Anyway, it did give me a good idea of what to do for Halloween. That IS one of the better avatars that I have seen in a long time. I don't care for those that get gross or gory, but this is just plain scary.
I do not know what version of Mame for CoinOPs, as the games look slightly altered (to probably play faster?) or are hacks. I got the entire 4gb image from an interesting site and via rapidshare. That should be enough clues.... :o
Really? Usually Mame is mame. I don't know if something changes the clock frequency though. That is possible, but I have not encountered anything like that. I am sure there would be complaints to the creator of CoinOPS.
naw, they didnt invent solderless modchips till way after I modded mine. thats an original Enigmah chip =)
Is that what that is? A solderless modchip.
but yeah they just keep makin it easier and easier. Also, for the record, I never had much luck with the solderless chips, they tend to shift or scrape traces
Yeah, I figured those would cause loads of problems. Well, since I can solder anyway, I wouldn't go that route.
, of course the XBOX I have now is softmoded with a 120GB HD and its nice and cozy sitting in a plastic tub, lol
I thought you needed a chip mod to change the hard drive out? You can do it with a soft mod?
Thanx,
Geo
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There's a hotswap method, it's pretty straight forwards, power on the xbox, open an app to format drives, hotswap drives, format and lock, hotswap back to stock, open your ftp app, hotswap, ftp the files to the new hard drive, and you're set. I'm sure xboxHDM has tools to do it in dos as well, as long as your have your motherboard's hard drive key.
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I don't know how to create partitions and only assign one of them to the Xbox...and in any case I don't need it now of course, as I have a trusty 128MB card with the USB adapter. If you would like to try the soft mod I can send it to you...I think I am in it about $8 for the adapter I bought....the card was from a woot Bag of Crap or something, so value there is basically nothing.
What would be the cost shipped to 11741?
$10 shipped USPS first class would cover it, although I am sure you could do the same thing yourself...just look for an older camera with a removable SD card to try it...doesn't cost anything.
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$10 shipped USPS first class would cover it, although I am sure you could do the same thing yourself...just look for an older camera with a removable SD card to try it...doesn't cost anything.
Oh, so the adapter you set up for an SD card? I thought it was set up for USB? At any rate, I only have an old Sony Cybershot camera and it appears on the 'don't work' list. So if your adapter is set up for SD, then it probably will not work in my case. I had the Cybershot for years and there is no other digital camera in the house. I am not sure if you can buy SD memory with that low capacity nowadays. I could ask the computer guy that fixes our computers at work. He might have something that is old.
At any rate, I was ready to order the chips from Divineo since they take a credit card...but on their site they said the chip is on pre-order. So I contacted someone and they basically said, that they are expecting them in, but have no idea when. Needless to say, I didn't like that. The guy got back to me from Xbox scene (Dynatron) this morning and he does have them in stock. So I am going to go that route.
Geo
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If that falls through, there's also Eurasia (http://www.eurasia.nu/shop/product_info.php?products_id=270). A Competant site that is well respected in the xbox homebrew scene.
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If that falls through, there's also Eurasia (http://www.eurasia.nu/shop/product_info.php?products_id=270). A Competant site that is well respected in the xbox homebrew scene.
Actually Divineo looks like a really nice well set up website AND they also accept credit cards. It was just for the DuoX chip, I found the Pre-Order designation a bit peculiar. To further that, they said they had no idea when they are going to get them back in. So that wasn't reassuring. So I fell back on my first lead and went with Dynatron. He doesn't take credit cards, but he does take everything else. He has the chips in stock.
So I am just going to hang loose for a while until the chips come.
Slightly off topic:
Thanx,
Geo
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I'm sure xboxHDM has tools to do it in dos as well, as long as your have your motherboard's hard drive key.
There are multiple ways to dump the EEPROM from your Xbox, I found that most softmodding tools did eeprom backups as part of their process. So just extract that BIN by FTP from your softmodded Xbox, the EEPROM will include the key to use on the HDD.
You can then use an automated tool and prepair an XboxHDM liveCD preloaded with a dashboard and such. I just dumped everything off an 8GB Softmodded Xbox and used that as the tempate for preloading, toss in the EEPROM BIN from the target Xbox and boot the live CD on a system with your new larger HDD. The menus are pretty straight forward and it'll create you a nice formatted HDD for your Xbox and you then just have to lock it with the appropriate key that it can pull automatically from the eeprom. Then just swap the drives in the Xbox.
I find it's a lot easier than the hotswap method and there are no concerns with electrically shorting the HDDs :P
I havn't done it myself in a few years but it wasn't that hard, I have an 80GB Soft modded Xbox I'm watching episodes of Good Eats on right now. :)
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UPDATE: Got the chips!!
Hello all,
I just figured I drop everyone a line and mention that I did get the chips from Dynatron today. Tightwad did you get your chips too? I ordered mine after yours, so I would figure you should have yours by now too.
At any rate, as of now I can't do anything because I though the instructions would be enclosed with the chips...they weren't, so I emailed Dynatron for that info.
The chips are DuoX2-GS. They do have the pin header, so I guess in my case with a Version 1 Xbox, this should install pretty easily.
Anyway, if anyone has a source of the installation instructions, could you please post the link here?
Thanx,
Geo
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DuoX2-GS&l=1 (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=DuoX2-GS&l=1)
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Hello all,
OK, after many delays and set backs, I finally found some time again and performed the hard mod on my X-Box.
SUCCESS!! The Xbox now boots up to a blue(ish) screen that says Xbox Cromwell Linux version 2.32. Then there is a list of the Xbox stats.
So I am taking it that this is a good sign and that the mod chip installation went fine.
So now the Xbox is asking for a disc...what do I need to do now? Would I install CoinOPs-Ignite?
Thanx,
Geo
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First thing you'll need to do is flash the bios. IIRC, you do NOT have a 1.6 right? This means that you do NOT need a 1.6 bios. For example, when it comes to EVOX BIOS, there is EVOX M8+ and EVOX M8+1.6. This leads us to the question of which bios to choose. Personally, I use EVOX M8+, hence why I used it in my example. Here's a comparison chart so you can make your own decision...
http://www.xbox-scene.com/bios_retail.html (http://www.xbox-scene.com/bios_retail.html)
Whatever you choose, figure out how to get into XBINS (google it) and you'll find the BIOS there.
Knowing nothing of the other BIOSes out there I'll stick to what I know for the rest. If you're going to get M8+, you will also want to get EVtools. It is a BIOS editing tool that allows you to customize many aspects of the boot process like what it will look like and what exactly it is that you will be booting. In there you will tell it where to look for your dashboard (which could be CoinOps if you so choose).
Here's some info on how to get the BIOS onto the chip once you decide the one you will be using.
http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87 (http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87)
After that you'll want some sort of XBOX auto-installer. You should be able to find one on most torrent sites. Even if you only want Coinops on the XBOX and choose to use it as your dashboard, you'll still need an alternate dashboard to do things like FTP all your ROMs to the XBOX and auto-installers make this super simple.
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First thing you'll need to do is flash the bios.
I need to do that even though there is a bios already there on the new chip? So that one that comes with it isn't good?
Edit: Ok, answered my own question why here:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=89346 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=89346)
Next to the bullet starting with "Cromwell". Yeah I noticed that right off the bat too that I couldn't play an Xbox game with the mod chip. I thought that if you push the eject button (to turn the unit on) the chip gets bypassed? It seems like it starts up with the Cromwell bios either way you turn on the Xbox. So then the Evo-X Bios allows the use of a bootable dashboard (among other things).
IIRC, you do NOT have a 1.6 right? This means that you do NOT need a 1.6 bios.
No, I have a 1.0 unit. However I did initially have a 1.6 unit, but the drawer was broken on it, so I returned it back to the store. While I was a bit peeved that they gave me a much older unit for exchange, it turned out to be a blessing because I read the version 1.0 units are the easiest to hard mod. So I took advantage of that and decided to go hard mod. So yeah, the unit is a 1.0.
For example, when it comes to EVOX BIOS, there is EVOX M8+ and EVOX M8+1.6. This leads us to the question of which bios to choose. Personally, I use EVOX M8+, hence why I used it in my example. Here's a comparison chart so you can make your own decision...
http://www.xbox-scene.com/bios_retail.html (http://www.xbox-scene.com/bios_retail.html)
Whatever you choose, figure out how to get into XBINS (google it) and you'll find the BIOS there.
Ok, so I went to Xbins, and there are three choices for EVOX M8+, which is the one I need (and HOW do I get it, I don't see a download link)?
http://www.xbins.org/index.php?action=search&searchtxt=evox&Submit=Search (http://www.xbins.org/index.php?action=search&searchtxt=evox&Submit=Search)
I also noticed that it says "PC" for the platform. Does that matter?
Edit: I found this procedure for installing EvoX:
http://www.xboxhackz.com/tutorials/evox.htm (http://www.xboxhackz.com/tutorials/evox.htm)
You approve of this method?
Knowing nothing of the other BIOSes out there I'll stick to what I know for the rest. If you're going to get M8+, you will also want to get EVtools. It is a BIOS editing tool that allows you to customize many aspects of the boot process like what it will look like and what exactly it is that you will be booting. In there you will tell it where to look for your dashboard (which could be CoinOps if you so choose).
That sounds good, I believe I found it and I downloaded it. The file is: EVtool_1.0.9.rar. Is that the correct one?
Here's some info on how to get the BIOS onto the chip once you decide the one you will be using.
http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87 (http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87)
Aww, crap, I think now I figured out why the Eject button bypass doesn't work. The instructions I got were from the guy that sold me the mod chip. In his instructions he has point BT tied to a pin on the header and not going back to the front panel...of which is the eject button. Apparently his instructions bypass the option to boot the Xbox up without the chip enabled.
I found that out here:
http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install/duox2_white/duox2_white_v1.0.jpg (http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install/duox2_white/duox2_white_v1.0.jpg)
Oh, I do get that "Duo X Mode" screen on the left. As it shows in the picture I can only select the DVD icon. The computer icon next to it is grayed out (also as shown in the example). Is that icon for the network connection?
After that you'll want some sort of XBOX auto-installer. You should be able to find one on most torrent sites. Even if you only want Coinops on the XBOX and choose to use it as your dashboard, you'll still need an alternate dashboard to do things like FTP all your ROMs to the XBOX and auto-installers make this super simple.
Ok, I still have to look into that one. It is getting late and it is time to hit the hay.
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello All,
Ok, I realized that I am going to have to put my Xbox now near my PC so I can start to do the necessary tasks to prepare it for Mame. I do have an extra monitor and it is already set up near my PC. However, now I need an Xbox to VGA cable so I can hook up the Xbox to the monitor.
Since I was putting together an Amazon order already, I figured I would order the cable through there. Much to my surprise just about all of the cables that come up are adapters to connect the Xbox 360 to a VGA cable. Can I use one of these cables? Does the XBox 360 and the original Xbox use the same output connector?
Thanx,
Geo
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No
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I use a Kworld 1440 and it just looks stunning on the LCD, plus you can hook it up to your Xbox 360 and have picture in picture of your xbox Fable while playing fable 2 . I have to admit I haven't tried that yet... ::)
You could just look on ebay for that xbox vga adapter, but to be honest it isn't worth it.
Probably be cheaper buying a el cheapo LCD TV and going that route.
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No
Yeah, found that out later on today when examining the pinouts of the video connector on both units. I am surprised that when the Xbox 360 came out, all of a sudden all support was dropped for the original Xbox.
I use a Kworld 1440 and it just looks stunning on the LCD, plus you can hook it up to your Xbox 360 and have picture in picture of your xbox Fable while playing fable 2 . I have to admit I haven't tried that yet... ::)
That is an interesting piece of hardware, I will look into that one more.
You could just look on ebay for that xbox vga adapter, but to be honest it isn't worth it.
Probably be cheaper buying a el cheapo LCD TV and going that route.
Perhaps, but I already have the monitor and it is already sitting next to my main PC.
Ok, while we are on a roll with what I need. I know that sometime, someplace, I am going to have to burn a disc. From the suggestions it is recommended that I burn a DVD. So I guess it would be wise to put everything on one DVD, correct?
If so then I am probably going to need a list of everything I need. So far I need the EVO-X 8M+ Bios, the EVtools, CoinOPS Ignite. I take it that I should put my Mame roms on there too, BUT let me know what I can do via the ethernet connection.
Thanx,
Geo
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First thing you'll need to do is flash the bios. IIRC, you do NOT have a 1.6 right? This means that you do NOT need a 1.6 bios. For example, when it comes to EVOX BIOS, there is EVOX M8+ and EVOX M8+1.6. This leads us to the question of which bios to choose. Personally, I use EVOX M8+, hence why I used it in my example. Here's a comparison chart so you can make your own decision...
Ok, I am back, I had a bit of a time finding out all the information to use mIRC and to FINALLY get on to Xbins FTP.
I managed to download:
1) EvoX M8 Plus Bios
2) EVTool_1.0.9
3) Slayers_Evox_Auto-Installer 2.6
4) UnleashX_0_39_0528A
5) MAMEoX_v0.84.b3
6) XBMC 2-18-2009
Knowing nothing of the other BIOSes out there I'll stick to what I know for the rest. If you're going to get M8+, you will also want to get EVtools. It is a BIOS editing tool that allows you to customize many aspects of the boot process like what it will look like and what exactly it is that you will be booting. In there you will tell it where to look for your dashboard (which could be CoinOps if you so choose).
I did try to look for CoinOps while I in Xbins, but it wasn't listed...so I am probably going to look for that elsewhere. (Come to think of it, I think I might have downloaded it already on my other computer...I have to check). While I was in Xbins I did download XBMC, UnleashX & MAMEoX (dashboard/emulator for future use perhaps).
Here's some info on how to get the BIOS onto the chip once you decide the one you will be using.
http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87 (http://www.modchipstore.com/support/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=87)
Much of this page really isn't clear (outside of chip installation), it directs you to several other sites. Now one thing that has me confused (what's new right?) is that they say say that the bios is only around 256k and that you have to "double up" on it to get 512k. WTH?
Anyway out of the links posted I found this one somewhat helpful:
http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install.htm#4 (http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install.htm#4)
According to this I do need some kind of flashing utility? I didn't mention this and at first I thought that was part of the "auto installer". Goes to show you how much I know. The link above recommends Eurasia?
In the instructions for the Bios that is to be flashed, it says that you need some kind of 'dummy' file on the disc. Again another WTH?
After that you'll want some sort of XBOX auto-installer. You should be able to find one on most torrent sites. Even if you only want Coinops on the XBOX and choose to use it as your dashboard, you'll still need an alternate dashboard to do things like FTP all your ROMs to the XBOX and auto-installers make this super simple.
Yeah, I did get the link for a torrent site for the Evo-X Auto Installer, so I still have to set up a torrent downloader to get that file. BUT I have the link so that is a start.
So all in all it looks like the only things that I still need to get started are CoinOPS Ignite and also a flashing utility, correct?
Thanx,
Geo
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So I guess it would be wise to put everything on one DVD, correct?
I might be wrong but I think you'll need to go with two discs... One with the BIOS and the "dummy file" and one with the "auto-installer." Once you've used the "auto-installer" you will have FTP access to the XBOX and will never have to burn another disc. Just connect your XBOX to your computer via a router or crossover cable and use your favorite FTP program. I like FileZilla myself since it's free (legitimately) and works well with the XBOX. FYI, there are FTP programs that don't work well with the XBOX since it's filesystem has different limitation than a PC including file name length and rejected special characters. Some FTP programs choke in various ways. YMMV.
I managed to download:
1) EvoX M8 Plus Bios
2) EVTool_1.0.9
3) Slayers_Evox_Auto-Installer 2.6
4) UnleashX_0_39_0528A
5) MAMEoX_v0.84.b3
6) XBMC 2-18-2009
That's a great selection of stuff to have downloaded, especially 1, 2 & 3!
they say say that the bios is only around 256k and that you have to "double up" on it to get 512k. WTH?
When you edit the EVOX M8+ BIOS file with EVTool, there's an option in there to specify the output size of the BIOS file.
According to this I do need some kind of flashing utility?
The screen you see when you boot your XBOX should have a flashing utility built in. There should be some sort of option like "install bios from disc" or something like that. The flashing utility should be looking for a file called "bios.bin" if I recall correctly. If someone else could confirm that I'm sure it would ease jukinego's mind...
In the instructions for the Bios that is to be flashed, it says that you need some kind of 'dummy' file on the disc. Again another WTH?
The BIOS file is so tiny that if it's the only file on the disc, the XBOX might not see it. You can put any file on the disc as a "dummy". Just pick some random large file and place in onto your compilation before the BIOS file so that the BIOS file is located a little ways from the inside of the disc.
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I might be wrong but I think you'll need to go with two discs...
No, you are correct...I did read that too, but naturally as you might have noticed, I don't take anything at face value. So the question "why?" will always come up in cases like this. The reason I ask why is once the flash software is loaded, how come it can't access the Bios file on the SAME disc?
Edit: I added a comment below on flashing bios, but while doing that I think I came to answer my own question in regards to WHY having two discs. IF the Cromwell Bios is looking for a Bios.bin file then more then likely you have to have it in the main directory. The thought did occur to me that if other stuff was on the disc, you probably couldn't access it because every time Cromwell sees a Bios.bin file, it is going to attempt a flash. Would that assumption be correct?
Like anyone in these economic times, I DO like to save a disc, especially since I have learned that Xbox's don't read CD-R's very well and thus I must resort to burning a DVD-R instead.
One with the BIOS and the "dummy file" and one with the "auto-installer." Once you've used the "auto-installer" you will have FTP access to the XBOX and will never have to burn another disc.
Ok, so then the Auto-Installer IS also the program needed to flash the Bios? They mentioned using Eurasia as a program to induce a flash. Is Eurasia also a program of the "auto installing" variety?
Edit: Looking over the flash directions again (duomodchip.com)...it looks to be contradictory. The first part mentions the recommendation of using a flashing utility such as Eurasia, BUT then further down they say to put the bios disc in when the Xbox opens the DVD drawer.
I guess it can't hurt to try stuffing a disc with the bios on there right? Then if that is the case then I wouldn't need the installer.
Just connect your XBOX to your computer via a router or crossover cable and use your favorite FTP program.
I like FileZilla myself since it's free (legitimately) and works well with the XBOX. FYI, there are FTP programs that don't work well with the XBOX since it's filesystem has different limitation than a PC including file name length and rejected special characters. Some FTP programs choke in various ways. YMMV.
Ok, I don't have a favorite FTP program. So I guess what works for you should be good enough for me. Is Filezilla a program or is that the FTP access. So yeah, I am going to need to know that too.
While we are on the subject, at what point can I use the Xbox for doing downloads (so I don't have to burn too many discs. AND while we are on the topic of burning disc, are there programs I can group together. Obviously once I get the Xbox running I AM going to archive those discs and save them for future use.
BTW, I had noticed that EVTool was under the "PC applications" listings within Xbins. Do you use EVTool within the PC or the Xbox? I figured it would be used in the Xbox right?
I managed to download:
1) EvoX M8 Plus Bios
2) EVTool_1.0.9
3) Slayers_Evox_Auto-Installer 2.6
4) UnleashX_0_39_0528A
5) MAMEoX_v0.84.b3
6) XBMC 2-18-2009
That's a great selection of stuff to have downloaded, especially 1, 2 & 3![/quote]
LOL! Well, the first three were your recommendations. The next two were Mame applications that I have seen outside of CoinOPS Ignite (or Reignite). And of course the last one we have been discussing. I have all of the above programs except for the Evox Auto-Installer. Xbins didn't have the full program and only provided a link to the torrent.
they say say that the bios is only around 256k and that you have to "double up" on it to get 512k. WTH?
When you edit the EVOX M8+ BIOS file with EVTool, there's an option in there to specify the output size of the BIOS file.
Ok, so how does that work when you have a 256k file (well EVOX M8+ is really 252k, but I get the point)? Do you just specify 512k and then you are good to go?
What is the deal with "Bank0 and Bank1"? Apparently that is what I came across when I wanted to look up the function of that switch on the DuoX mod chip.
The screen you see when you boot your XBOX should have a flashing utility built in. There should be some sort of option like "install bios from disc" or something like that.
Nope! I just checked. I have the Cromwell Linux Bios on my Duo X. What happens is that I get a system check and there is some information listed about the Xbox. Then there are two options that come up on the bottom, one is a Disc icon that is highlighted and it says "Please Insert Disc (hdb)". The other option is a grayed out computer icon that looks like it is connecting to a network.
The Xbox then opens up the disc drawer on it's own. Simply put the thing is asking for a disc that is plain and simple. But it doesn't explicitly say it is looking for a Bios disc.
Could it be some kind of auto-installer?
The flashing utility should be looking for a file called "bios.bin" if I recall correctly. If someone else could confirm that I'm sure it would ease jukinego's mind...
Don't have to, I KNOW the file is called Bios.bin. I have the EvoX M8+ bios already (as I mentioned above). However I have not burned it to a disc yet because I would like to put other files on the disc too.
The BIOS file is so tiny that if it's the only file on the disc, the XBOX might not see it. You can put any file on the disc as a "dummy". Just pick some random large file and place in onto your compilation before the BIOS file so that the BIOS file is located a little ways from the inside of the disc.
Ahhhh, so if I put my folder on the disc that contains all my roms and screen shots for Mame on the disc that folder would be large enough to trigger the Xbox to read the disc. That is weird...I wonder why they didn't say that in the first place! Just make sure to burn a disc with other files on it. Heh!
Oh! I wanted to ask you about the hard drive in the X-Box. There was some crap on it from the prior owner, I would like to erase that before I start loading the new programs on it. Once the EVOX-M8+ Bios is installed, it will allow access to the hard drive, right?
Thanx,
Geo
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It's about time for bed so I'm not going to do the whole -quote & answer- thing. I hope you can line up all my explanations with your questions. If not let me know and I'll try to fix it a little tomorrow...
Before I get to all that though I would like to ask if you know what optical drive you have in the XBOX. If it's a Samsung there's a good chance it will read CDRs so you might want to go that route for the BIOS flashing. It won't do you much good I don't think for the auto-installer since I believe those are more DVD-sized anyway.
The Auto-Installer is NOT what you will use to flash the modchip with a BIOS. You will need to flash the BIOS first, then the Auto-Installer will install files to your hard drive.
As for the modchip not looking for a BIOS.BIN file, try flipping the switch on the modchip. I'm not an expert on the Duo chips but if I recall correctly, they usually come shipped with a cromwell BIOS and a FLASH BIOS. If that doesn't work I'm afraid someone else will have to step in here and try and help because I know nothing about Eurasia.
When it comes to FileZilla I'm going to have to point out that you're getting a little lazy here I think. You could have Googled that... If you did, you would have found this: http://filezilla-project.org/ (http://filezilla-project.org/) DL the client for whatever platform you're on.
In order to use the "Xbox for doing downloads" as you put it (most would call it FTPing to the XBOX) you will need your modchip flashed with a BIOS that will load a dashboard be it XBMC, Unleash or one of 5 or more other ones that are probably out there. Once you have the XBOX running a "dashboard" that supports FTP access (like XBMC and UnleashX do) you will figure out what the XBOX's IP address is and log in to that with FileZilla in the format of
SITE:the XBOX's IP
USERNAME: XBOX
PASSWORD: XBOX
Once you've done that you can drag and drop almost anything to the XBOX from your PC.
EVTool is used on the PC. Start EVTool, select "Open BIOS file" (I believe that's what the button says) then navigate to wherever you unzipped the EVOX M8+ file to and select it. Now you can make all sorts of changes to the BIOS file including the size it will be upon output and where it will look for your dashboard. There are 4 selections of where it will look for your dashboard by the way. Write those down for when you install the dashboard via the Auto-Installer to make sure it's installing the dashboard in the right place so the BIOS can find it.
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Before I get to all that though I would like to ask if you know what optical drive you have in the XBOX. If it's a Samsung there's a good chance it will read CDRs so you might want to go that route for the BIOS flashing. It won't do you much good I don't think for the auto-installer since I believe those are more DVD-sized anyway.
Hello Crashwg,
Ooooo, I am not sure what DVD drive I have in my Xbox, however, on that note, I do believe I am going to HAVE to open up the unit. Last night I was carefully going over the directions AGAIN, and I believe I made the discovery that the second bank...bank1 has the FlashBios on it and via that BIOS I will NOT need the Flash utility. If I was going to use Bank0 which has the Cromwell Linux BIOS on it, then yes, I would need the utility. So making that discovery in addition to wanting to move the BT wire over to it's appropriate location by the eject button AND now wondering what DVD drive I have in the unit, this is going to warrant my holding off until this weekend when I can open up the Xbox again and make those changes.
The Auto-Installer is NOT what you will use to flash the modchip with a BIOS. You will need to flash the BIOS first, then the Auto-Installer will install files to your hard drive.
I kind of gathered that after figuring out the above.
As for the modchip not looking for a BIOS.BIN file, try flipping the switch on the modchip. I'm not an expert on the Duo chips but if I recall correctly, they usually come shipped with a cromwell BIOS and a FLASH BIOS. If that doesn't work I'm afraid someone else will have to step in here and try and help because I know nothing about Eurasia.
Ditto the above. At first I was wondering why they made the DuoX with the two banks, but then it became clearer...and that is the legal issue. Basically if the BIOS is a Linux based distribution (which is free), then the company that makes the DuoX will not have legal problems. So they cleverly designed the chip with two BIOS modes the second one being a Flash Utility.
Here is the BLURRED screen for that:
http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install/duox2_white/Flashbios.jpg (http://www.duomodchip.com/english/install/duox2_white/Flashbios.jpg)
That was really the whole problem in a nutshell was the blurred screen, I really couldn't make out the selections on the bottom, but when you mentioned that there should be a load from disc option, I started to look closer at the Bank1 option. Of course the big bold words that said "FlashBios" were a big help too! LOL!
When it comes to FileZilla I'm going to have to point out that you're getting a little lazy here I think. You could have Googled that... If you did, you would have found this: http://filezilla-project.org/ (http://filezilla-project.org/) DL the client for whatever platform you're on.
Nothing to do with laziness, but just a lack of time. I spend most of my day on search engines and every now and then I like things spoon fed. Heck the best thing would be a step by step list (with no gray areas). But apparently there are so many chips out there and so many different ways to 'skin the cat', that it isn't going to work in this case. So basically I am just going to have to do each step as I go along.
In order to use the "Xbox for doing downloads" as you put it (most would call it FTPing to the XBOX) you will need your modchip flashed with a BIOS that will load a dashboard be it XBMC, Unleash or one of 5 or more other ones that are probably out there. Once you have the XBOX running a "dashboard" that supports FTP access (like XBMC and UnleashX do) you will figure out what the XBOX's IP address is and log in to that with FileZilla in the format of
SITE:the XBOX's IP
USERNAME: XBOX
PASSWORD: XBOX
Once you've done that you can drag and drop almost anything to the XBOX from your PC.
Oh, got it...so FileZilla will work much in the same way as the FTP connection part of what I did to get to the Xbins files. (Meaning after you get the login information from the MIRC part).
EVTool is used on the PC. Start EVTool, select "Open BIOS file" (I believe that's what the button says) then navigate to wherever you unzipped the EVOX M8+ file to and select it. Now you can make all sorts of changes to the BIOS file including the size it will be upon output and where it will look for your dashboard. There are 4 selections of where it will look for your dashboard by the way. Write those down for when you install the dashboard via the Auto-Installer to make sure it's installing the dashboard in the right place so the BIOS can find it.
Oh, man...thanx a bunch! I would have totally missed that part. I was under the impression that you use EVTool AFTER you get the Bios loaded and not before, THAT is why I was confused that EVTool was listed under PC tools for the Xbox. Well, I guess in that way I have something to do before I open up the Xbox again.
Well, it is snowing here and it looks like I am going to be home today (work is probably shut down) so time to load up EVTool and check it out.
Thanx again for the info.
BTW, what happened to Tightwad? As I recall he ordered his chip before I did. I have not seen him on these boards since. I believe he has a Version 1.6 unit. I am wondering if he perhaps got discouraged in regards to the soldering.
Being an experienced tech I will say that the D0 connection wasn't hard for me. The hardest part of the install was the pin header. All the solder holes were filled in on the motherboard and I had a tough time to 'properly' clean those connections up. Even armed with a solder wick and an air compressor to blow out the holes, I was VERY concerned about heat damage. The average 'Joe' tinkerer would certainly damage the board. I would say that right now for any person that wants to solder the pin header on such a board the best thing is to remove all the pins from the header and solder each one individually on the board using the existing solder in the holes.
Anyway, I am off, I am going to check out EVTool now.
Edit:
Ok, I am in EVTool now, and have a couple of quick questions. You mentioned making a note of the locations that the BIOS points to in regards to the Dashboards. Right now in the list (with the EvoX M8+ bios loaded) I have:
DVD: default.xbe
1st C:\ evoXdash.xbe
2nd C:\ AvaDash.xbe
3rd C:\ neXgen.xbe
Am I correct in assuming that I shouldn't touch the first one DVD: default.xbe? Now since I will not be using any of these, I do have to change them...more then likely they will be UnleashX, XBMC, and CoinOPS Ignite. Now what of the xbe extension? Is that the actual dashboard executable?
Any particular setting for the "LBA support and partition table options" drop down box? It is right now defaulted to "Partition 6 Takes Rest of Drive".
There is the section on logo colors and importing a logo. My guess is that is if I want to have a custom start up logo I would click on the import EvoX logo?
Other than that everything else is self explanatory. I DID see the check box you were talking about for the file size and I set that to 512k. So I should be good there.
Ok, at least there isn't too much to deal with here.
Thanx,
Geo
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I got CoinOPS Ignite R3 Showcase and it now supports trackballs and mice. :woot
So many features to mention like autofire and cheats. Still works with .84 ROMS.
Looks like arcade ambient sound works too.! Edit: I have arcade ambient sounds playing right from the front end.
There is an overclock mode to speed up the slowmo CPS2 games, and it can rotate for verticals.
Guess that MAME box will one day be a cocktail cab....
I got it working with the Xarcade after trial and error and its sweet!
BTW if you are going to softmod and dump this onto DVD - DONT! Install to hard drive and pick out the games you WILL play.
Eggs and Bacon all day!
(http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/bacon%20&%20eggs%20platter.jpg)
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Hello all,
Just a quick update. I had a longer update but my session timed out and I lost my WHOLE post! Needless to say I am pissed off about that.
So here is the shorter version (which you guys probably will appreciate more).
I re-opened my Xbox today and made the necessary changes. So now the Eject button works the way it should in disabling the mod chip. I have set the switch to Bank 1 and now I get "FLASHBIOS ver 3.0.3" coming up on screen. Now I get a set of choices to flash the Bios. The highlighted on is C: Drive, there is the option to Flash from the DVD Rom and the last option is the one that caught my attention: "Enable Network Connection For BIOS Flash". So this sounds cool! I guess that means I should be able to connect the Xbox to my computer and Flash the BIOS that way?
EVTool is used on the PC. Start EVTool, select "Open BIOS file" (I believe that's what the button says) then navigate to wherever you unzipped the EVOX M8+ file to and select it. Now you can make all sorts of changes to the BIOS file including the size it will be upon output and where it will look for your dashboard. There are 4 selections of where it will look for your dashboard by the way. Write those down for when you install the dashboard via the Auto-Installer to make sure it's installing the dashboard in the right place so the BIOS can find it.
Ok, this is where I have a couple of questions:
In the area you mentioned there are a few preset dashboard options:
DVD: = Default.xbe
1st C:\ = evoXdash.xbe
2nd C:\ = AvaDash.xbe
3rd c:\ = neXgen.xbe
So, would I need to know dashboards I am going to use prior to flashing the BIOS?
I took a look in my folder for UnleashX since I downloaded that and there is indeed a file named "Default.xbe".
Also there is a selection in the bottom left corner for setting the partitioning on the hard drive. What should I set that too?
I got CoinOPS Ignite R3 Showcase and it now supports trackballs and mice. :woot
This was pretty much the version that I would be content with:
CoinOPS IGNITE Demo - Xbox MAME Emulator - Emulator Walkthrough and Gameplay - HQ VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-ZG3WBM6uA&feature=related#)
However, I am not 100% sure if it supports trackballs and mice. I do know that the Showcase is better though:
CoinOPS Reignite SHOWCASE Demo - Xbox MAME Emulator - Emu Walkthrough and Gameplay - HQ Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3MgoLAbqF4&feature=related#)
It is just that I really don't need the full game play action. I would think it is an awful lot of work to set up the screen demos. Let alone the space that would take up on the hard drive. I guess I can see it for a system that has less than 100games, but mine will have over 200 games.
and it can rotate for verticals.
Guess that MAME box will one day be a cocktail cab....
Yes, I believe the regular version of Ignite supports screen rotation as well.
BTW if you are going to softmod and dump this onto DVD - DONT! Install to hard drive and pick out the games you WILL play.
Oh, no I wouldn't PLAY the games from the DVD. I would just use the DVD as a medium to get the files all into the hard drive. However, I am now wondering if I even have to burn a DVD at all because if I can flash the BIOS from my computer, then that is at least one DVD burn I DON'T need to do.
I placed a good sized Amazon order a couple days ago in which I ordered several things for the Xbox. I looked into that 1440 control box you mentioned, but it is no longer available from the company. But I did find something similar from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001463UNI/ref=oss_product (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001463UNI/ref=oss_product)
It has inputs for: Computer (VGA), composite, S-Video, and component. It also handles switching the audio from a computer to a game console. So really I only need ONE monitor...but I am going to use two anyway so this way I don't have to switch the monitor and can see what I am doing on both machines at the same time.
I didn't receive my component cable yet, but I DID get my S-Video cable (for TV hookup). Already I notice a tremendous improvement over using composite. But with that cable in hand I can set everything up near my computer.
So that is it! I am pretty much ready to go and flash the bios.
Geo
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Oh, no I wouldn't PLAY the games from the DVD. I would just use the DVD as a medium to get the files all into the hard drive. However, I am now wondering if I even have to burn a DVD at all because if I can flash the BIOS from my computer, then that is at least one DVD burn I DON'T need to do.
Uhhh...I would not deviate from the tested and tried method of getting your soft-mod to work and have everything installed.
If you have evox on and you can FTP - great. Now get the last version of AID and burn to a DVD. Follow the prompts. Make sure you install the Avalaunch front-end or have it on your drive somewhere.
After that FTP and install what you want on, but I don't think you can do everything you mentioned above without resorting to an AID image.
By all means do what you want, but it be a wasted effort and tears if you brick your XBox for just saving a 5p/10c DVD. :'(
Also I found out that CoinOPS ignite can be displayed in 720p....Now to find the component cable on ebay.... ;D
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Uhhh...I would not deviate from the tested and tried method of getting your soft-mod to work and have everything installed.
Soft-mod?!?! I gave up on that ship and it sailed long ago. I have the DuoX2 chip installed now, thus I am ready to flash the Bios, that is what I was asking about.
If you have evox on and you can FTP - great.
No, it isn't on yet. I was asking about settings options within EVTool to properly set Evox M8+ (the Bios I intend to use for the mod chip). However I had noticed that the FlashBios that came in Bank 1 of the mod chip does have an option for selecting "Enable Network Flash Bios" and that did get me to wonder if I even need to burn a disk, perhaps I can flash the bios right from my PC via a direct network hookup.
Now get the last version of AID and burn to a DVD. Follow the prompts. Make sure you install the Avalaunch front-end or have it on your drive somewhere.
After that FTP and install what you want on, but I don't think you can do everything you mentioned above without resorting to an AID image.
That is what I am thinking. But I have to get past the first step with using EVTool and setting those path settings for the dashboards I intend to use. That is where I am a bit clear.
By all means do what you want, but it be a wasted effort and tears if you brick your XBox for just saving a 5p/10c DVD. :'(
Well, yeah, that is why I want to get the flash done right. But the website for EVTool is down, so I really don't have instructions. I am hoping Crash logs back in soon as I went with his recommendation to use EVOX M8+ for the BIOS on the mod chip.
Also I found out that CoinOPS ignite can be displayed in 720p....Now to find the component cable on ebay.... ;D
All of my displays are 4:3 and that is what I intend to use for an arcade cabinet as well. As for the cable, I ordered mine through Amazon. So you don't have to bother with Ebay for that:
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-XBOX-Component-Cables-HDTV-High/dp/B000F2JUOK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1266078082&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-XBOX-Component-Cables-HDTV-High/dp/B000F2JUOK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1266078082&sr=8-1)
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello guys,
Another update:
I still have big problems finding documentation for the proper way of setting up the Bios to flash to my Xbox. I spent DAYS scouring Xbox-scene and my main discovery is many broken links that go to either the websites for teamxodus or teamexecutor. Also, as I mentioned before, the website for EVTool is also down.
In terms of the question I had in regards to setting up the LBA48, it doesn't seem like it is that critical at all in lieu of what this thread says:
http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=457547 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=457547)
It seems that I can just reformat the drive with Slayers.
I am NOT going to change the hard drive though. I am going to leave the original 8gig drive in the unit. I don't need a drive that is bigger than that for now. However, a question did come to mind is if I have to reflash the bios if the hard drive is ever changed down the road?
I have now set up my Xbox to (bank1) which has the FlashBios 3.0.3 on it. This Bios does have a network flash available for it, I figure I am best off going that route so I don't have to burn a disc for the bios.
I finally found some instructions to do that here:
http://www.team-xecuter.com/flashbios/http.htm (http://www.team-xecuter.com/flashbios/http.htm)
However, this flashing procedure is for the Xecutor chip and not the DuoX2. The Xecutor chip asks for a 1M bios...so I am hoping those are the ONLY differences.
I tell you, once I get through this, I am most certainly going to write up a new tutorial. The stuff over at Xbox-Scene is severely outdated and many of the links do not work anymore. So finding info has been very difficult.
So I am crossing my fingers that I don't end up "bricking" the Xbox.
Geo
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When I've set up my XBOXes in the past I've always gone with the "Partition 6 Takes up to 137GB / Partition 7 Takes Rest" option just so if/when I do upgrade the HDD it's ready to go. Partitions 6 and 7 are F: and G: by the way.
I'm planning on doing a reinstall on on of my XBOXes tonight to refresh my memory. I'll hopefully get back to you tonight.
I really can't comment on the network flashing of the DuoX2 chip. I've only ever flashed a DuoX2 with a disc. I have flashed a few Xenium chips through their web interface but that's a whole different animal I believe.
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When I've set up my XBOXes in the past I've always gone with the "Partition 6 Takes up to 137GB / Partition 7 Takes Rest" option just so if/when I do upgrade the HDD it's ready to go. Partitions 6 and 7 are F: and G: by the way.
Ok, that sounds good enough for me. As it is, I don't think I am going to upgrade it, but in the event the drive breaks then I can update it then.
I'm planning on doing a reinstall on on of my XBOXes tonight to refresh my memory. I'll hopefully get back to you tonight.
Ok. What should I set the paths too? Do they have to be set to something or should I leave them as is?
I really can't comment on the network flashing of the DuoX2 chip. I've only ever flashed a DuoX2 with a disc. I have flashed a few Xenium chips through their web interface but that's a whole different animal I believe.
I am going to try it out. It seems like the earlier (blue) versions of the DuoX2 didn't have the capability to flash from the network...so I guess this is a newer option. I have not seen it covered that much either in terms of documentation. But I did find that one document, but it was based on using the FlashBios with the Xenium chip.
Now for the Slayer's Installer...is that a windows application or is that for launching in the Xbox only?
Thanx,
Geo
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Arggg... I didn't have time to do the reinstall tonight. I really hope to get it done tomorrow though. I should be able to give you a definitive answer on where to set the paths to tomorrow after I run the auto-installer.
The Slayer's Auto-Installer you downloaded is a self extracting file. You have to run it on your PC. It will ask for a password which is supposedly available HERE: http://slayer.xbox-scene.com (http://slayer.xbox-scene.com) but that link get's me nowhere. I was however able to locate the password elsewhere and it is "sevx2.6" without the quotes. If you're worried about it being a virus or anything like that, I scanned it with ESET NOD32 and it came back clean. It will self extract to wherever you direct it to, an ISO (the auto-installer itself), a few images and a PDF with all sorts of useful information. Unfortunately it doesn't list the install locations of the things that it installs so I'll still need to do this myself to refresh my memory if I'm going to be any help to you.
I suggest you run the SlaYers_EvoX_Auto-Installer_v2.6_FINAL.exe that you've downloaded and read a little of the PDF. Of course I'm the type that wants to know why I'm doing the things I do and not just follow blindly a set of directions.
Please be patient with me in trying to assist you with this though. I really do need to reinstall to one of my XBOXes and this is a perfect excuse to do it now, it's just I'm right in the middle of moving. Half the apartment is in boxes and add to that my incapability of remember the simplest of things... I WILL get to this tomorrow!
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Arggg... I didn't have time to do the reinstall tonight. I really hope to get it done tomorrow though. I should be able to give you a definitive answer on where to set the paths to tomorrow after I run the auto-installer.
OK
The Slayer's Auto-Installer you downloaded is a self extracting file. You have to run it on your PC. It will ask for a password which is supposedly available HERE: http://slayer.xbox-scene.com (http://slayer.xbox-scene.com) but that link get's me nowhere.
Believe it or not, I actually did click on it when I saw it had a windows icon for the .exe file. However, I got the "password" request too and I thought that was rather unusual. I figured perhaps you needed to run the Auto-Installer on the Xbox.
I did try to follow that link myself and low and behold, what else is new? ANOTHER dead link! As you can see the troubles I am mostly running into is not that I can't FIND the info, but that I am presented with dead link upon dead link. If Xbox-Scene was really THAT useful of a site, then stuff for modding should be stickied and regularly updated so this way newbies know where to go to get the most current info. Sure they do have stickied info, but again much of it references dead links.
I was however able to locate the password elsewhere and it is "sevx2.6" without the quotes. If you're worried about it being a virus or anything like that, I scanned it with ESET NOD32 and it came back clean. It will self extract to wherever you direct it to, an ISO (the auto-installer itself), a few images and a PDF with all sorts of useful information. Unfortunately it doesn't list the install locations of the things that it installs so I'll still need to do this myself to refresh my memory if I'm going to be any help to you.
Great! You found the password. That is a big help right there. I can play with this then a bit on my break at work tomorrow (it is getting to late now and I need to get some shut eye).
I suggest you run the SlaYers_EvoX_Auto-Installer_v2.6_FINAL.exe that you've downloaded and read a little of the PDF. Of course I'm the type that wants to know why I'm doing the things I do and not just follow blindly a set of directions.
Will, do. I am the same way...especially if I know that if I do something wrong I could loose my flash bank or worse, brick the Xbox.
Please be patient with me in trying to assist you with this though. I really do need to reinstall to one of my XBOXes and this is a perfect excuse to do it now, it's just I'm right in the middle of moving. Half the apartment is in boxes and add to that my incapability of remember the simplest of things... I WILL get to this tomorrow!
No problem, I know what moving can be like. I moved into an apartment into a house, out of said house and now back into an apartment. I also moved 3 companies (almost every job I had moved).
I do appreciate your help very much. As I said, I would do much of the research on my own, but lately with all the dead links and dead ends, I am at a loss. It seems like all the tools and modding info is still out there, but the directions and proper procedures are not. It is all in little bits and pieces all over, and then there are some contradictions too.
As of now I don't want to go too crazy. I just would like a 'basic' Xbox system that will run Mame games, that it is my MAIN goal. If I can add other things like XBMC later on, then that is fine.
Once I do get something solid, I think I will have a sticky made for it here considering that it is somewhat related to Mame and building your own controls. I think it would be easier to update the info here than it would be on Xbox-Scene. Sorry to say, while the site is a wealth of info, it is also a huge mess. It is just too outdated.
Anyway, time to hit the hay for tonight.
Thanx again!
Geo
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I suggest you run the SlaYers_EvoX_Auto-Installer_v2.6_FINAL.exe that you've downloaded and read a little of the PDF. Of course I'm the type that wants to know why I'm doing the things I do and not just follow blindly a set of directions.
Hello Crash,
I did go though most of the document today as you suggested and I must say this 'Slayer' guy is the first one that has really explained a TON of information in regards to properly setting up the Xbox. Many of my questions were answered in regards to the setting of the LBA48 setting as well as the path settings. The installer will install EvoX as the main dashboard. While I wanted UnleashX that is ok with me as it is just a dashboard. But the bonus is that the installer also allows the install of XBMC. So really after using the installer the only thing I need to do is install CoinOPS Ignite.
Again, I have not gone over everything in that document, but many 'would be' questions have been answered. For example, the reason for locking and unlocking the hard drive.
I have also noticed that the installer can also Flash the Bios, so in the event I blow the Flashbios Bank I can still reload a Bios using the Slayer's disk.
The main variable though is IF a burned media will be read by the Thomson drive I have. Supposedly this is the most picky of all the Xbox drives.
I think in terms of the BIOS I would like to try the ethernet method.
So if you could go over this with me that would be great. It looks like I should set the LBA48 to the last setting just to 'prepare' the Xbox for a future drive upgrade. It also looks like I should leave all the path settings alone if I am to accept the Slayer's install options for EVOX as EVtool is already set up to the defaults.
I am curious to know what version Xbox you are using to do this on your end? If you have a version 1.0, I would like to know what brand disc works with the Thomson drive...that sure would save some headache in finding media that will work.
Anyway, thanx again for your help. I just can't wait to get this going. Once it is fresh in my mind, I am going to buy a couple more Xboxs and mod them right off the bat. This way I will have a couple 'waiting in the wings' for future Mame projects.
Question:
Since DVD-R reading ability of the Thomson is a big question mark, I was wondering that if I DID make a USB memory stick adapter (as per soft mod but not use it as such), could I use that as a way to get data into/out of the Xbox? Should I ever install the Xbox into a cabinet, a network connection may not be convenient, but a USB memory stick surely would.
The good thing is that I kind of know already what I want out of Mame. I got all the roms I would ever need or use. I don't particularly like the new arcade games, so I don't see updating the Xbox often once it is set up.
The joy for me for Xbox Mame is that all I have to do is hook up a Mamed Xbox and I am good to go for classic arcade games. And should I build a cabinet, I can just drop an Xbox in as the main engine. It is just so simple once an Xbox is set up for Mame. All I have to do is mod some old controllers to arcade controls.
It it just the road to getting to a modded box that is taking a while to get to my destination.
Anyway, I do appreciate everything you are doing and I am taking careful notes of everything. Once I get something that works, I will post the results here and hopefully get it stickied.
Thanx,
Geo
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A.I.D. 3 swamps slayers just so you guys know >:D
EDIT: O wow it's up to 4.3 now
3 was way better then slayers but this new 4.3 makes anything on slayers way old & out dated and it proabably only has a 1/4 of what the new aid has to offer.
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A.I.D. 3 swamps slayers just so you guys know >:D
EDIT: O wow it's up to 4.3 now
3 was way better then slayers but this new 4.3 makes anything on slayers way old & out dated and it proabably only has a 1/4 of what the new aid has to offer.
Good to know, I'll have to look into that...
I'm sorry for this being so late. I've had network issues today and haven't even been able to get on the internet for more than a couple seconds until now. I did however reinstall to the XBOX in question today. It is a 1.0 by the way, not that that matters in particular since it has a samsung drive in it.
This is going to be one of those bad news good news sort of things. Lets start with the good news:
I popped in an old drive that I had lying around and restored it to "factory" settings.
I installed XBMC as my main dashboard.
I installed CoinOPS Ignite and was able to run it from XBMC.
The bad:
When I installed CoinOPS as my dashboard it just would not boot. I have no idea why.
It's been so long since I've done an install with Slayer's I had forgotten that I don't like where it installs things to and I ended up using the Slayer's disc as nothing more than a boot disc that enabled FTP access.
There is however some additional good news. The process I went through is fairly uncomplicated and I think in the end is a good choice for you. Here's what I did. If you think it sounds like a good idea I will go into further detail so you can follow my steps exactly.
I set up my BIOS to load in the following order, E:\DASH\default.xbe - E:\XBMC\default.xbe - E:\avalaunch\default.xbe.
I flashed my modchip with that bios
I loaded up Slayer's with the XBOX connected to my network
I logged into the XBOX with FileZilla
I copied the contents of the (insert random dashboard here) folder to E:\DASH\
I copied the contents of the XBMC folder to E:\XBMC\
I didn't get to installing something into E:\avalaunch\ because really this is just a backup for the backup
What this will do for you is this: The bios will first attempt to load whatever dashboard you have installed to E:\DASH\ If it doesn't find that it will go to E:\XBMC\ as a backup. Since you have XBMC as a backup, even if you screw up the install of the dashboard you really want to use, XBMC has got your back and gives you a way to reinstall. Really you can put anything as your backups (I would stick to something with FTP access like XBMC, Evox, Avalaunch) when you create your BIOS as long as you remember where you're telling the BIOS to look so when you install it later you put it in the right place. Even still, the BIOS will always look for D:\default.xbe first so all you'll need to do is insert an auto installer of some sort and you'll be able to have FTP access to fix your mistakes.
I hope I wrote that all in an easily followed way... It made sense to me but then again, I just did this so I can picture it all.
As for your drive reading the discs, you can use an IDE PC drive you might have lying around if your drive won't read CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. Here's what you need to do:
1. Open the XBOX case.
2. Place your PC optical drive on top of the XBOX's optical drive.
3. Remove the IDE connector from the XBOX's drive and attach it to the PC drive.
4. Supply power to the PC drive.
5. not really a step but DO NOT remove the yellow wire from the XBOX's optical drive
Step four is usually the tricky one. In the past I've used a 4 pin Molex "Y" splitter, a spare PC power supply which has been jumpered to turn on and a power supply that I happen to have that is designed just to power IDE devices externally. I suppose you'll probably be limited to the first two options though. I think I got the Molex "Y" from Radio Shack for a couple bucks. Jumpering a PC power supply to turn on is super simple, all you do is jumper the GREEN wire to any of the BLACK wires.
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A.I.D. 3 swamps slayers just so you guys know >:D
EDIT: O wow it's up to 4.3 now
3 was way better then slayers but this new 4.3 makes anything on slayers way old & out dated and it proabably only has a 1/4 of what the new aid has to offer.
Thanx for the info, I will wait until Crash chimes in and see what he thinks about it.
I'm sorry for this being so late. I've had network issues today and haven't even been able to get on the internet for more than a couple seconds until now. I did however reinstall to the XBOX in question today. It is a 1.0 by the way, not that that matters in particular since it has a samsung drive in it.
That's OK, I had a late night last night as well and didn't even get to go on my computer! So you have a 1.0 with a Samsung drive? I thought only the Thomson drives were standard on these?
This is going to be one of those bad news good news sort of things. Lets start with the good news:
I popped in an old drive that I had lying around and restored it to "factory" settings.
I installed XBMC as my main dashboard.
I installed CoinOPS Ignite and was able to run it from XBMC.
Question: If XBMC is a dashboard, then what would something like UnleashX or EvolutionX have over it?
The bad:
When I installed CoinOPS as my dashboard it just would not boot. I have no idea why.
Uh Oh. So basically it would run as a dashboard selection, but not as a dashboard itself. That COULD be a problem in the event I want to JUST have the Xbox installed in a cabinet.
It's been so long since I've done an install with Slayer's I had forgotten that I don't like where it installs things to and I ended up using the Slayer's disc as nothing more than a boot disc that enabled FTP access.
Well, just let me know how you went through it and I just will follow suit. Since you mentioned you don't like where Slayer's installs things, did you look over AID as Northerngames suggested? Perhaps that might be more to your liking.
There is however some additional good news. The process I went through is fairly uncomplicated and I think in the end is a good choice for you. Here's what I did. If you think it sounds like a good idea I will go into further detail so you can follow my steps exactly.
Ok, sounds good. Just for re-itteration, you ARE using a stock 8gig hard drive?
I set up my BIOS to load in the following order, E:\DASH\default.xbe - E:\XBMC\default.xbe - E:\avalaunch\default.xbe.
I flashed my modchip with that bios
Do you have the DuoX modchip? How did you do the flash? Did you do network flash or the flash on Slayer's? If the latter, did you use Bank0 or Bank1?
I loaded up Slayer's with the XBOX connected to my network
I logged into the XBOX with FileZilla
I copied the contents of the (insert random dashboard here) folder to E:\DASH\
I copied the contents of the XBMC folder to E:\XBMC\
I didn't get to installing something into E:\avalaunch\ because really this is just a backup for the backup
Ok, I am actually one step ahead here and I already have downloaded versions of XBMC, CoinOPS, and even UnleashX. BUT if it is easier to set up using Slayers, then by all means I will go that route.
As of now the setting for the DVD is DVD: Default.xbe. I guess I leave that be?
What this will do for you is this: The bios will first attempt to load whatever dashboard you have installed to E:\DASH\ If it doesn't find that it will go to E:\XBMC\ as a backup. Since you have XBMC as a backup, even if you screw up the install of the dashboard you really want to use, XBMC has got your back and gives you a way to reinstall.
Ahhhhh, OK. So basically if I WANT XBMC, then I shouldn't put anything into E:\DASH\. So E:\DASH\ would be for if I want to boot directly to a dashboard of my choice, like CoinOPs for instance.
Really you can put anything as your backups (I would stick to something with FTP access like XBMC, Evox, Avalaunch) when you create your BIOS as long as you remember where you're telling the BIOS to look so when you install it later you put it in the right place. Even still, the BIOS will always look for D:\default.xbe first so all you'll need to do is insert an auto installer of some sort and you'll be able to have FTP access to fix your mistakes.
Ok, so that then answers my question in regards to the setting for the DVD, leave that at the default then.
I hope I wrote that all in an easily followed way... It made sense to me but then again, I just did this so I can picture it all.
So far I am following. But just tell me what I should set ALL the settings for EVtool though so this way I know I don't make a mistake there. And also tell me how you flashed (using FlashBios 3.0.3 or the Slayer's Disc).
As for your drive reading the discs, you can use an IDE PC drive you might have lying around if your drive won't read CD-Rs or DVD-Rs. Here's what you need to do:
1. Open the XBOX case.
2. Place your PC optical drive on top of the XBOX's optical drive.
3. Remove the IDE connector from the XBOX's drive and attach it to the PC drive.
4. Supply power to the PC drive.
5. not really a step but DO NOT remove the yellow wire from the XBOX's optical drive
Step four is usually the tricky one. In the past I've used a 4 pin Molex "Y" splitter, a spare PC power supply which has been jumpered to turn on and a power supply that I happen to have that is designed just to power IDE devices externally. I suppose you'll probably be limited to the first two options though. I think I got the Molex "Y" from Radio Shack for a couple bucks. Jumpering a PC power supply to turn on is super simple, all you do is jumper the GREEN wire to any of the BLACK wires.
Ok, I will keep that in mind, but I am HOPING that I dont really have to use the drive, but if I have to I am HOPING my DVD-Rs will work.
Anyway, thanx again, so far I am following you. I am NOT dead set on any particular version of CoinOPS Ignite, so if you find one that DOES boot to dashboard then let me know.
Thanx,
Geo
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I have XBMC as a dash and it works very well with emulators and games. I have the old Xbox 360 mod for XBMC, perfect for joystick navigation.
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I have XBMC as a dash and it works very well with emulators and games. I have the old Xbox 360 mod for XBMC, perfect for joystick navigation.
Well, according to Crash, the good thing is that I can use XBMC as a 'fallback' dashboard. So I am under the impression that by setting up the E:\DASH\ directory, I can use that for whatever I want to boot as my main dashboard or directly go to CoinOPS.
I really can't wait to get this going. I had seen some of the dashboards for the Xbox and they are downright gorgeous. The Xbox sure is a multimedia marvel, huh?
While I am on the topic of multi-media (going a bit off on a tangent now). Could the Xbox be used to string multimedia events together like say for a home movie theater style presentation? I.E. running ads, trailers, trivia slideshows, and then start the main movie that is sitting in the DVD player?
Thanx,
Geo
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A.I.D. 3 swamps slayers just so you guys know >:D
EDIT: O wow it's up to 4.3 now
3 was way better then slayers but this new 4.3 makes anything on slayers way old & out dated and it proabably only has a 1/4 of what the new aid has to offer.
Thanx for the info, I will wait until Crash chimes in and see what he thinks about it.
I will certainly check it out. I would like to take this opportunity to say, don't think that because I know more about this subject than you that I'm some sort of expert. I'm far from it. For the most part my knowledge of XBOXes is limited to XENIUM modchips, XBMC and following tutorials to do things like softmodding. With that said, I can understand where you're coming from not wanting to take everyone's advice especially with how many opinions will differ on the subject. I suspect that northerngames' advice is sound and I look forward to checking out the AID.
So you have a 1.0 with a Samsung drive? I thought only the Thomson drives were standard on these?
It probably had a Thomson in it at one point in time... I'm not familiar with restrictions on what drives may have come with what revision of the XBOX. What I do know is that you can swap any optical drive into any XBOX though. I don't recall the circumstances exactly but I imagine the samsung must have come from one of the many broken XBOXes that have come through my house over the years.
Question: If XBMC is a dashboard, then what would something like UnleashX or EvolutionX have over it?
It's really all about preference. When I modded my first XBOX I went with EVOX (EvolutionX) and I liked it a lot. It was a simple interface in which I would scroll to my list of installex XBOX games or an emulator and it would run from there and I was happy. Later on when XBMC was developed a bit further I was reading all over the place how awesome it was so I checked it out. At that time I was using it not as a dash but as an application that I would launch from EVOX and the only thing I used it for was playing video and music from my network. It grew on me and once I figured out how to get the links properly set up to my installed XBOX games and emulators (it was a pain at the time) I never looked back. Now I use my XBOXes 99% of the time for watching videos and music over the network and 1% of the time for emulation. Yep, I don't even use my XBOXes for XBOX games... Go figure.
The bad:
When I installed CoinOPS as my dashboard it just would not boot. I have no idea why.
Uh Oh. So basically it would run as a dashboard selection, but not as a dashboard itself. That COULD be a problem in the event I want to JUST have the Xbox installed in a cabinet.
That's pretty much the gist of it. I will continue to try and figure this out though. I too would like to use an XBOX in an arcade project down the road and I think having to select CoinOPS from a dashboard would detract from the overall feel.
Just for re-itteration, you ARE using a stock 8gig hard drive?
Well, no. I don't think I have an 8GB drive lying around anywhere. What I did was this though: I installed a 20GB drive into the XBOX, ran the Slayer's disc and chose the option to restore a factory (8GB) drive back to factory settings. What this did was created all the partitions on the drive at the sizes they would have come from the factory at and placed all the required files into them. It also created an F: partition with the remaining 12GB of space I had on the HDD but I did not use that in my install.
Do you have the DuoX modchip? How did you do the flash? Did you do network flash or the flash on Slayer's? If the latter, did you use Bank0 or Bank1?
Unfortunately I do not have a DuoX chip. Someday I have got to pick some up seeing as though they seem to be perfectly capable and inexpensive chips. I would love to just have some lying around for future projects.
What I have in the XBOX in question is a Xenium Gold chip. The cost was somewhere around $50 shipped a few years back and as far as I can tell the only place to find these nowadays is from private sellers. I really like them for a couple reasons. If you start the XBOX with the eject button, they have a built in FTP server, you can flash the BIOS over the network simply by entering the IP address of the XBOX into a web browser and there's even a HDD upgrade option where you would connect your new HDD where the optical drive goes and it will transfer everything from the old to the new. Would I recommend them. Yes but it really comes down to cost. If I could find one for $25 I'd go for it. Much more than that and the price would outweigh the benefits.
A couple years back I did a mod for a guy who was giving the XBOX to his 10 year old son. For obvious reasons I had to remove access to some of the more powerful functions that could render the XBOX useless. Doing that in the dashboard is relatively easy but I don't know of any way to turn of the modchip's operating system that would run when you power on with the eject button. There's some options in there that could easily mess up the XBOX to a point that the kid's dad would have to come back to me for repairs since he didn't really want to learn the ins and outs of XBOXes. For that reason I installed a MuppetX chip in his XBOX. I haven't heard from him in a while so I can only assume that it has been without trouble. I guess it could be that his son moved on to a next gen console of course but I like to think it's the former. If you're still on the boards Ed and you've got the XBOX sitting in a closet some where I'll give you $30 for it! :P
What this will do for you is this: The bios will first attempt to load whatever dashboard you have installed to E:\DASH\ If it doesn't find that it will go to E:\XBMC\ as a backup. Since you have XBMC as a backup, even if you screw up the install of the dashboard you really want to use, XBMC has got your back and gives you a way to reinstall.
Ahhhhh, OK. So basically if I WANT XBMC, then I shouldn't put anything into E:\DASH\. So E:\DASH\ would be for if I want to boot directly to a dashboard of my choice, like CoinOPs for instance.
That's pretty much it. One caveat though. One of the main reasons for having a "backup dashboard" in your situation is that you might want to be trying out other dashboards. When you try them you will be putting them in the DASH folder. Lets say you're trying out XBMC. I would recommend you have XBMC install to BOTH the DASH folder and the XBMC folder. This way you will do any fiddling that you think you want to do with the XBMC that's installed to DASH and if you screw something up to a point where XBMC won't load, under certain circumstances it will fall back on the one installed to XBMC. If you mess with a dashboard that doesn't have a backup, well there's no backup. Of course the BIOS will always look to D: for a default.xbe first, so as long as you have an auto-installer of some sort you should, in theory, be able to load that up and FTP back into your XBOX to correct any mistakes you might have made even if you delete the entire contents of the HDD.
Ok, so that then answers my question in regards to the setting for the DVD, leave that at the default then.
Yup.
I hope I wrote that all in an easily followed way... It made sense to me but then again, I just did this so I can picture it all.
So far I am following. But just tell me what I should set ALL the settings for EVtool though so this way I know I don't make a mistake there. And also tell me how you flashed (using FlashBios 3.0.3 or the Slayer's Disc).
Let me check out the Auto Installer Deluxe. If it's something I might end up recommending the EVtool settings might change entirely.
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I will certainly check it out. I would like to take this opportunity to say, don't think that because I know more about this subject than you that I'm some sort of expert. I'm far from it. For the most part my knowledge of XBOXes is limited to XENIUM modchips, XBMC and following tutorials to do things like softmodding. With that said, I can understand where you're coming from not wanting to take everyone's advice especially with how many opinions will differ on the subject. I suspect that northerngames' advice is sound and I look forward to checking out the AID.
I never said otherwise, but as of now I have heard of many different ways and even some things that were old and outdated. Given the issues I had with trying to find information, at this point I would just rather stick with someone that has done this before and can get me through it. So while you might not consider yourself an expert, you are certainly several noticed up on the pole from where I am standing. I was not sure if you had seen or used AID before, but if it got your thumbs up as well, then I certainly would get it.
So you have a 1.0 with a Samsung drive? I thought only the Thomson drives were standard on these?
It probably had a Thomson in it at one point in time... I'm not familiar with restrictions on what drives may have come with what revision of the XBOX. What I do know is that you can swap any optical drive into any XBOX though. I don't recall the circumstances exactly but I imagine the samsung must have come from one of the many broken XBOXes that have come through my house over the years.
If you could swap ANY optical drive into the Xbox...could it also support burners?
When I modded my first XBOX I went with EVOX (EvolutionX) and I liked it a lot. It was a simple interface in which I would scroll to my list of installex XBOX games or an emulator and it would run from there and I was happy. Later on when XBMC was developed a bit further I was reading all over the place how awesome it was so I checked it out. At that time I was using it not as a dash but as an application that I would launch from EVOX and the only thing I used it for was playing video and music from my network. It grew on me and once I figured out how to get the links properly set up to my installed XBOX games and emulators (it was a pain at the time) I never looked back. Now I use my XBOXes 99% of the time for watching videos and music over the network and 1% of the time for emulation. Yep, I don't even use my XBOXes for XBOX games... Go figure.
Well, I was doing some research on XBMC today and I discovered that it has a playlist editor and that raised my eyebrows in regards to another project I am working on which is regards to home theater. Right now I am using a computer to run a big screen projector for my home theater project. I am wondering if an Xbox with XBMC and playlist capability could replace that computer. That project would certainly require an Xbox with a hard drive for sure. So I am much more open minded about putting XBMC on the box with CoinOPs because I want to check it out now.
Uh Oh. So basically it (CoinOPS Ignite) would run as a dashboard selection, but not as a dashboard itself. That COULD be a problem in the event I want to JUST have the Xbox installed in a cabinet.
That's pretty much the gist of it. I will continue to try and figure this out though. I too would like to use an XBOX in an arcade project down the road and I think having to select CoinOPS from a dashboard would detract from the overall feel.
Right. I would think it would be best in that case that once you turn on the Xbox that it boot right to CoinOPs Ignite so you are presented with that nice gamer's interface. Then you just select your game and go. It would be much like a 'front end' on a PC/Mame machine.
I don't think I have an 8GB drive lying around anywhere. What I did was this though: I installed a 20GB drive into the XBOX, ran the Slayer's disc and chose the option to restore a factory (8GB) drive back to factory settings. What this did was created all the partitions on the drive at the sizes they would have come from the factory at and placed all the required files into them. It also created an F: partition with the remaining 12GB of space I had on the HDD but I did not use that in my install.
Oh, I see. So basically you set an upgraded drive with factory default settings so that the Xbox 'thinks' the original drive is there, but in reality it is a bigger one.
Unfortunately I do not have a DuoX chip. Someday I have got to pick some up seeing as though they seem to be perfectly capable and inexpensive chips. I would love to just have some lying around for future projects.
What I have in the XBOX in question is a Xenium Gold chip. The cost was somewhere around $50 shipped a few years back and as far as I can tell the only place to find these nowadays is from private sellers. I really like them for a couple reasons. If you start the XBOX with the eject button, they have a built in FTP server, you can flash the BIOS over the network simply by entering the IP address of the XBOX into a web browser and there's even a HDD upgrade option where you would connect your new HDD where the optical drive goes and it will transfer everything from the old to the new.
Well, it appears that the DuoX2 has FlashBios 3.0.3 which ALSO offers the flash from network option. My guess is that they must have only recently added this feature as quite a few people (experienced modders I might add) don't know about it. THAT makes my job a bit more difficult because that makes fewer people out there that actually used it. I DO want to try it this way though.
That's pretty much it. One caveat though. One of the main reasons for having a "backup dashboard" in your situation is that you might want to be trying out other dashboards. When you try them you will be putting them in the DASH folder. Lets say you're trying out XBMC. I would recommend you have XBMC install to BOTH the DASH folder and the XBMC folder. This way you will do any fiddling that you think you want to do with the XBMC that's installed to DASH and if you screw something up to a point where XBMC won't load, under certain circumstances it will fall back on the one installed to XBMC.
So you can mess around with XBMC so much that you can actually blow it out of the partition?
If you mess with a dashboard that doesn't have a backup, well there's no backup. Of course the BIOS will always look to D: for a default.xbe first, so as long as you have an auto-installer of some sort you should, in theory, be able to load that up and FTP back into your XBOX to correct any mistakes you might have made even if you delete the entire contents of the HDD.
Well, the HDD right now has quite a bit of crap on it from the previous user, so I do want to give it a fresh start.
Let me check out the Auto Installer Deluxe. If it's something I might end up recommending the EVtool settings might change entirely.
Ok, so as of now I am ready and waiting. I have my Xbox booting to the Flashbios 3.0.3 bank. I finally got all my cables too so I can hook up the Xbox to my second available monitor. I think what I would like to do by the weekend is see if I CAN access the Xbox via the network and if the Xbox can see the bios file. I guess in the meantime I will wait for what you have to say about AID and we can move from there.
Thanx,
Geo
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Your Xbox along with XBMC can replace the computer that you have hooked up to your big screen tv. I have my Xbox attached to my network at home and I stream videos, music, and pictures to it without any problems. Granted it's not HD but that doesn't bother me at all. Your essentially swapping out a computer for a computer. The new one just happens to sit in your Xbox. It works extremely well.
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Hi Hoopz!
Your Xbox along with XBMC can replace the computer that you have hooked up to your big screen tv. I have my Xbox attached to my network at home and I stream videos, music, and pictures to it without any problems. Granted it's not HD but that doesn't bother me at all. Your essentially swapping out a computer for a computer. The new one just happens to sit in your Xbox. It works extremely well.
That sounds REALLY good. My indoor 'big screen' is really a temporary set up that I set up in my living room (or my parents living room) from time to time. So the rig is somewhat portable. Even though the computer is a small desktop, the problem is that I have to drag both a mouse and a keyboard with me to work the interface.
The computer's job is to basically run trailers, ads and movies much in a traditional way you see in a movie theater. For this purpose the interface I am using is VLC. For the most part VLC is a playlist player. Basically what VLC does (for me) is gather up all the "pieces" for my show. So basically I have a short trivia or a picture slideshow that goes to music first. This part is the 'pre-show. Next comes some old concession stand clips, no cell phones, no smoking...theater policy basically. Next comes a few movie trailers and usually I use old 50's B movie trailers. Then comes a short (usually a cartoon or something from the Little Rascals) and finally the feature presentation. All of these little clips and the movies themselves are files on my computer. So I pre-program a playlist with VLC and it SEAMLESSLY plays all the clips one after the other. Once that is stored on my computer, I can easily boot my machine up and then just click on my playlist and boom, it runs!
The mouse is the only thing I need to interact with VLC, but the computer goes nuts if you don't have a keyboard hooked up to it. So all in all, it is a cumbersome setup.
Now if the Xbox can do all I described above under XBMC, then yeah I am CERTAINLY interested in that. For one I would be down to a single small hand held controller and an overall much smaller (and lighter) computer package.
I think I am already sold on XBMC and it is most certainly going on this Xbox I am working on now, but I do believe that I am probably going to buy a second Xbox soon (as I do have another mod chip) and set that one up specifically for multimedia with the installation of a larger hard drive.
Thanx,
Geo
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There are so many skins you can use on the XBMC that make the Xbox look like a $1000 home theater setup. My Mum is not good with remotes so I have a simple skin that just goes to the NAS and pulls up the movies available. Works with the Xbox remote and is incredibly simple to operate.
There is a mod to turn your XBMC into a Apple TV clone.
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There are so many skins you can use on the XBMC that make the Xbox look like a $1000 home theater setup. My Mum is not good with remotes so I have a simple skin that just goes to the NAS and pulls up the movies available. Works with the Xbox remote and is incredibly simple to operate.
There is a mod to turn your XBMC into a Apple TV clone.
It sounds great, but I am curious about how the playlist feature operates...Meaning if I select a trivia slideshow, then a few movie trailers, a cartoon short and finally a main feature, would it play them one after the other seamlessly like you were in a movie theater? If so then boom! I now have another good reason to use a modded Xbox.
As of now I am already sold on XBMC and Crash is working on something right now with a setup for me. Supposedly he wants to have XBMC as a 'backup' dashboard. The main dashboard would obviously be editable to whatever I want to put there, but for testing XBMC I can default it there too. So that should be interesting.
But more then likely down the road I will set up a second Xbox with a bigger hard drive in it just for multi-media work.
BTW, can the Xbox do Wifi for the internet connection?
Thanx,
Geo
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For wireless, use a wireless bridge, or mod a cheap router with DDWRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/ (http://www.dd-wrt.com/)) to turn it into a bridge. The Asus WL-520gc works nicely: http://is.gd/8HD48 (http://is.gd/8HD48)
Man reading through these posts reminds me of what a pain in the ass it was to mod my XBOX's years ago. But once you do it, they will work rock solid for a long time!
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I am, once again, looking at my XBOX for MAME. I now have a cabinet I can use (currently a working Rampage cab tho). My computer selection has been limited because I had a virus on MY main computer, and have no coopted the kids computer which was going to be the MAME computer....so either I rebuild my computer (not my favorite idea atm) and use the kids computer for MAME as intended, or I take the soft-mod Xbox and use that.
I am interested in more information about how Coin-Ops works with Trackball and Spinner/mouse…I require these and it was the reason I looked away from the X-box. How are they interfaced? Do they truly work? Where do I get Coin-Ops? I see references to it, but no idea where to obtain it.
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I am interested in more information about how Coin-Ops works with Trackball and Spinner/mouse…I require these and it was the reason I looked away from the X-box. How are they interfaced? Do they truly work? Where do I get Coin-Ops? I see references to it, but no idea where to obtain it.
Yes it works, but games that I like to play (blasteroids) kida wig out with the spinner. This probably due to the dial values that was implemented to be compatible with the xbox triggers. I'm fiddling with it and I'm sure it will be do'able in the very near future. Tempest is another game that dances the jig with the spinner....
BTW, can the Xbox do Wifi for the internet connection?
I use an airlink (http://www.airlink101.com/products/ap431w.php) as a wifi client or the Buffalo WG54A in bridge mode either way G is plenty to stream on and linux is a great way to surf in HD.
CoinOPS is an illegal build so don't expect it to be hosted.
I know where it is but Saint would...... :whap if I told.....
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Relevent; This guy took a Daytona USA cab, cleaned it up, found an Xbox1 racing wheel who's pots matched the Daytona USA's guts, wired them in, installed the Xbox1 and built an Outrun 2 twin cab running Outrun 2 home retail version. o___o
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For wireless, use a wireless bridge, or mod a cheap router with DDWRT (http://www.dd-wrt.com/ (http://www.dd-wrt.com/)) to turn it into a bridge. The Asus WL-520gc works nicely: http://is.gd/8HD48 (http://is.gd/8HD48)
Sounds like something pretty involved to set up and get going, huh? Anyway, I am FAR from ready for it, but at least I know the capability is there.
Man reading through these posts reminds me of what a pain in the ass it was to mod my XBOX's years ago. But once you do it, they will work rock solid for a long time!
As of now, I think the big issue is that the information on Xbox-Scene is very old and there are many broken links. So it is tough to find a 'complete' set of install instructions. What makes matters more complicated is that there seems to be 100 different correct ways to get the Xbox up and running, but there are about 10,000 ways to NOT set it up right. With the outdated info on Xbox-Scene, I found myself resorting to someone that directly assist me with setting it up. But from what I have seen posted on-line in terms of finished products, I am amazed at what the Xbox can REALLY do.
I am at the slight disadvantage because I didn't buy into the Xbox when it came out. While it was touted as superior to the PS2, the problem was that it didn't have the extensive library. The PS2 was already a second generation unit and was backward compatible with PS1 games. In addition the games just seemed overall 'better'. So I let the Xbox pass me by. The funny thing is that even today, looking back on the Xbox library, I STILL stand behind my PS2. The Xbox became interesting because of the 'other' things it can do. Naturally turning one into a Mame engine is my primary objective and why I am here.
I am, once again, looking at my XBOX for MAME. I now have a cabinet I can use (currently a working Rampage cab tho). My computer selection has been limited because I had a virus on MY main computer, and have no coopted the kids computer which was going to be the MAME computer....so either I rebuild my computer (not my favorite idea atm) and use the kids computer for MAME as intended, or I take the soft-mod Xbox and use that.
I am interested in more information about how Coin-Ops works with Trackball and Spinner/mouse…I require these and it was the reason I looked away from the X-box. How are they interfaced? Do they truly work? Where do I get Coin-Ops? I see references to it, but no idea where to obtain it.
Hi Tightwad! Long time no write! I was wondering where you were in your Xbox mod considering that you ordered your modchips before I did. So what happened, you were going to bounce back to using a PC? At any rate I still would continue with the Xbox plan even though it lacked the trackball/spinner support. But it does sound like that CoinOPS does have a work around. I still have to read more into it though.
The funniest thing is that my plans for a bartop arcade machine stemmed from the idea that I just wanted a simple table top type arcade game that had BUTTONS ONLY. There are a great deal of early 80's games that ONLY used buttons. But then I got to thinking that I SHOULD add a joystick too. So the original plan is still to NOT use any analog controls. But that is for this project. The next Xbox Mame project WOULD be different.
Yes it works, but games that I like to play (blasteroids) kida wig out with the spinner. This probably due to the dial values that was implemented to be compatible with the xbox triggers. I'm fiddling with it and I'm sure it will be do'able in the very near future. Tempest is another game that dances the jig with the spinner....
Bummer! So there still is a problem with analog controls even with the CoinOPS Showcase version?
I use an airlink (http://www.airlink101.com/products/ap431w.php) as a wifi client or the Buffalo WG54A in bridge mode either way G is plenty to stream on and linux is a great way to surf in HD.
Like I was mentioned above...it sounds complicated. So I am just going to be content with getting the box running first!
CoinOPS is an illegal build so don't expect it to be hosted.
Having it being hosted was never my intention. The reason I wanted the WiFi was because I am in process of upgrading my home network to include wireless because my wife wants to use a laptop with WiFi. So naturally I though that I could 'tap' the Xbox into the network and that would make file sharing that much easier between the arcade cabinet with the Xbox and my network (I don't have to run a wire). Also since XBMC has network capabilities, I may as well take advantage of that too!
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Relevent; This guy took a Daytona USA cab, cleaned it up, found an Xbox1 racing wheel who's pots matched the Daytona USA's guts, wired them in, installed the Xbox1 and built an Outrun 2 twin cab running Outrun 2 home retail version. o___o
It is funny you mentioned this and I will check out the link in detail later on, but if you noticed that I titled this thread: X-box mod for Mame help (Also Best Console Game Ports). Well it was originally titled "Best Console For Arcade Game Ports" and the Xbox came up as an early choice there. I WAS thinking about building a cabinet around an Xbox runnin the home retail versions such as the "Arcade Treasures" series, but then I got turned on to the idea of modding...after all, if the Xbox can run MAME, it doesn't get much better than that!
Geo
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Yeah but MAME doesn't get Outrun 2 or Outrun 2 SP. :)
Or House Of The Dead 3, or Crazy Taxi 3. :D
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I got a PS3, and since it has media center capabilities I moved the Xbox into the bedroom so my wife can watch stuff from the media center in there. I REALLY miss having it on the main TV. The interface of XBMC is lightyears beyond the PS3, and codec support is much better too. Browsing through files on the PS3 is a PITA, and it's missing other little touches like the 30-sec skip button and versatile subtitle support.
What I'd really love is to build a little XBMC box. The software is amazing, but it's outgrown the Xbox hardware. To get the most out of XBMC you need more power.
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XBMC is best. I use it as the dashboard on my 80GB machine. It's hooked up over component to a 27" Trinitron CRT so I only need standard def video sources. As a result it keeps up find with any content. Well, it has trouble with h.264 480p material so I have to stick to XviD and such, but at the moment that's not an issue.
With the Xbox it's also nice to play games like Outrun 2 SP in Outrun 2006, Crazy Taxi 3 or House of the Dead 3 and know that since it's almost identical to the Sega Chihiro, you're basically getting as close to an arcade perfect graphics experience as possible without emulating the real hardware. Sure the menus are different, but in game it's pretty much EXACTLY like the arcade.
Though I do wish Outrun 2 SP had an attract mode. :(
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I just won a component cable for my 1440 LCD Converter so I'm looking forward to 720p +. Should I be able to get 1080p?
I managed to get the right balance for all my spinner and trackball games for CoinOps Showcase R3 so everything plays perfectly. Be prepared to love looking at your notepad application for a few hours.
I got Final Burn Legends today and I can play Galaxy Force II. I just need the motorized chair.
Who says the Xbox is dead? ;D
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I think the weakness of the Xbox1 is it lacks in good accessories.
For the 360 you can buy off the shelf solid arcade sticks, racing wheels, and other specialty gear. For the Xbox1 almost everything except the standard gamepads were third party crap. I've yet to find a light gun for the Xbox that I considder reliable and durable as Namco's PlayStation offerings even.
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Yeah but MAME doesn't get Outrun 2 or Outrun 2 SP. :)
Or House Of The Dead 3, or Crazy Taxi 3. :D
When it comes to the newer games, I kind of strayed away from the arcade style games. I mostly prefer the games from the 80's when it comes to the arcade. Console games though are a different story and naturally I like a good adventure...something from the Final Fantasy Line. On the PC, Roller Coaster Tycoon was always a favorite. I have quite a few simulation games too.
What I'd really love is to build a little XBMC box. The software is amazing, but it's outgrown the Xbox hardware. To get the most out of XBMC you need more power.
Well, it comes down to price. If I could get an Xbox 360 for under $100 then I would go that route too. But, hey, at around an average of $30 and from what I been seeing what the regular Xbox can do, I am good for that.
I managed to get the right balance for all my spinner and trackball games for CoinOps Showcase R3 so everything plays perfectly. Be prepared to love looking at your notepad application for a few hours.
So you fixed the issue with the trackball? Anything I should watch out for?
I think the weakness of the Xbox1 is it lacks in good accessories.
Yeah, I noticed that too, but for Mame games, I would just hack a standard controller anyway.
For the 360 you can buy off the shelf solid arcade sticks, racing wheels, and other specialty gear. For the Xbox1 almost everything except the standard gamepads were third party crap. I've yet to find a light gun for the Xbox that I considder reliable and durable as Namco's PlayStation offerings even.
I am not particularly fond of racing games as they are all over the place and on just about every platform. Sure I like the old classics such as Pole Position and Outrun. While the newer games do have excellent graphics and performance, I just don't have any interest in the genre any longer. But in terms of analog controls it is tough to do without a spinner or, in the very least, a trackball. I just can't come to grips playing Marble Madness with a joystick. Nope that just isn't going to cut it. But for the most part, if I wanted full controls, then I would have went with a FULL size cabinet. For the bar top cabinet, I needed something small and the Xbox does fit the bill nicely.
As I said above, the Xbox 360 still sells for a high price, even used. Once it falls below the $100 mark, then I will get one.
But anyhoo...thanx for the good word on XBMC. It does seem to come highly recommended and I most certainly will include it on my Xbox mod.
Geo
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I just prefer my gaming to be more portable, so I can just move around TVs and consoles and do day long gaming events. The Xbox1 still gets use, though less and less, as it does have a lot of great arcade ports and such. It's a useful machine. Though I'd love to build a driving cockpit for arcade driving games someday. :D
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I totally agree with this and yet every time I decide on a design I thik up something better and it never gets done.
9 out of 10 times I play on the PC or Consoles I'm sitting down, so a cockpit would seem to be a better idea, and I would love to ditch the desk.
Now if I could just get plans on a Star Trek Cockpit and add three LCD screens..... ;D
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I'd think a cockpit style would be NECESSARY. I've seen standup versions of NAOMI driving cabs and my only thought was 'Standing up to drive does not look fun!'
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I think if I build a driving cab (and I would LOVE to) I would be single as well....as it is my wife isn't a fan, but so far it doesn't encroach on her living space.
I am going to have to dig into Coin Ops more...as it is fairly unsupported it's hard ot find "Installation for dummies" which I need.
I didn't end up ordering the Mod chip as my soft mod worked. I have a HD to use with my XBOX1 build, once again I just need to follow a "upgrading the harddrive for dummies" path. Then of course I need to understand all the other mods. Amazing what people can do, I just don't have the bandwidth to learn it all!
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XboxHDM I believe is the tool you need for formatting and locking a HDD with a key that'd match the Xbox's BIOS. Though I havn't used that since late 2007. D:
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I just prefer my gaming to be more portable, so I can just move around TVs and consoles and do day long gaming events.
Agreed. One of my other interests (which I mentioned above), is home theater, but I don't have the room for a large set up. So I made a temporary one that is based on a computer and a video projector. The video projector is a portable unit already, but the computer is a standard Compaq desktop computer (I sit the projector on top of it). The big issue with the computer isn't its size, but the necessity to hook up the darn keyboard. So that is a rather cumbersome extra piece to tag along with me. An Xbox with XBMC would eliminate that problem, have everything on one small controller (or even the remote control) and it is much smaller and lighter. So right there I see another use for the Xbox besides a Mame engine source.
The Xbox1 still gets use, though less and less, as it does have a lot of great arcade ports and such. It's a useful machine. Though I'd love to build a driving cockpit for arcade driving games someday. :D
I was going to stick with the arcade ports, but for what? If I can run Mame, then I would be good to go with the arcade originals. But I know there are the limitations with the analog, but Ark_ader says the new version of CoinOPs gets around that problem. So I am going to look into that.
I am not much into the newer driving games, but being that I am a fan of the old Outrun, I do admit that Outrun 2 did raise an eyebrow. If I had room, I would build a dedicated driving/cockpit type cabinet for those games as well. But the primary purpose for such a cabinet would be mainly to run with a set of "Star Wars" controls. But panel swaps would be mandatory on a large cabinet like that. Another thing I always wanted to do was create a set of controls for the "Pod Racer" Star Wars game. That is another 'newer' game I like. The arcade version was great because you controlled the racer from two throttle controls...one for each hand. Awesome!
I totally agree with this and yet every time I decide on a design I thik up something better and it never gets done.
Lol! THAT sounds familiar!
9 out of 10 times I play on the PC or Consoles I'm sitting down, so a cockpit would seem to be a better idea, and I would love to ditch the desk.
Same here, I prefer sitting, but I am fine with stools. Right now I don't have the room for a 'driver' anyway.
Now if I could just get plans on a Star Trek Cockpit and add three LCD screens..... ;D
Oooo, hope you got room for that one. I saw a similar cockpit design like that for a flight simulator. The thing was huge.
I'd think a cockpit style would be NECESSARY. I've seen standup versions of NAOMI driving cabs and my only thought was 'Standing up to drive does not look fun!'
Yeah, that IS kind of awkward, but remember that those driving games were made for arcades and if they could fit all the controls in a cabinet that didn't have a larger footprint than a standard arcade cabinet, then that would appeal more to operators. Also stand ups are cheaper than sit downs too, so cost comes into play.
Over the years the "cockpit" cabinets have become smaller as some cabinets seem like nothing more than a slightly lower full size arcade cabinet with a chair that sticks out a little bit that sits on a track (to adjust it). Controls are usually in the same places as on the stand up cabinet.
I don't have enough interest in a driving games to warrant a full sit down cabinet, but if I DID have the room, I would consider a sit down cabinet of some kind because I know that I have other simulation games that could take advantage of a cockpit design.
But all in all with a full size sit down cabinet, I probably would use a PC as the engine. With all the analog controls and I/O to deal with, I think a PC is still the way to go.
BUT for simple button/joystick cocktail or counter top cabinets, then yeah the Xbox does seem very appealing to me.
I think if I build a driving cab (and I would LOVE to) I would be single as well....as it is my wife isn't a fan, but so far it doesn't encroach on her living space.
I am going to have to dig into Coin Ops more...as it is fairly unsupported it's hard ot find "Installation for dummies" which I need.
I hear you there. When finding info, I am just led to and fro and many times I end up finding dead links. As for cabinets...well, I have a wife AND kids now and unless I get a place that has a tremendous amount of space, I DON'T foresee any kind of cockpit cabinet soon. However, I DID think of a way to install a cabinet in a typical wall closet space and that could be made into a "general" sit down type cabinet.
Another Idea I have is a 'flat cab' in which the use of a flatscreen TV would allow a standup arcade cabinet that was less than half the depth of a full size game. I know this has been done before here on BYOAC and it is a good concept. It I have a location on a 'dead wall', I could line up two or three such cabinets and they would take up a very small foot print.
The countertop is thusfar the most space saving way to go for me because as of now I need something very portable.
I didn't end up ordering the Mod chip as my soft mod worked. I have a HD to use with my XBOX1 build, once again I just need to follow a "upgrading the harddrive for dummies" path. Then of course I need to understand all the other mods. Amazing what people can do, I just don't have the bandwidth to learn it all!
Ahhh, so you are sticking with the soft mod. Well, I can't evaluate the hard mod as of yet because I am still stuck at the 'Flash Point'. I was getting some advice from Crash...but he is in the middle of a move right now and I have not heard from him in a few days. I think based on his initial advice, I am going to attempt a flash this week on my own. So I am going to cross my fingers that it works.
I would say that when it comes to a hard drive change it is hard to beat the chip. If you don't need to lock the hard drive, it is one of the easier things to do. Since I ordered two mod chips, I am going to buy another Xbox and make that one an XBMC machine. That one is going to play movies, so I need to upgrade the HD, but I am not going to bother locking it either as that one will probably never be used for games. We will see though, I have to first get this one going here.
XboxHDM I believe is the tool you need for formatting and locking a HDD with a key that'd match the Xbox's BIOS. Though I havn't used that since late 2007. D:
That never came up before, but supposedly an installer disk such as AID or Slayer's SHOULD be able to do that, right?
Thanx,
Geo
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Well, your installer disk probably asked you to backup your EEPROM, you need that EEPROM cause the HDD Key is in it.
The softmod can't bypass the HDD security features. The Bios has a key in it and the HDD has to be locked with a matching key. If a drive with no key or a differnet key is installed into your Xbox it will not boot. XboxHDM is a LiveCD that will let you lock an HDD with a key and also copy over files to the HDD, preformatting it. I'd just stuff all the files from the smaller HDD onto the liveCD so I'd get a nice happy clone just with a lot more new space. XboxHDM is finicky about which channels the target HDD and your optical drive on but it gets the job done.
Once your new HDD is locked, you can just swap it right into the Xbox.
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Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'm having a problem with my softmodded xbox, and I thought someone here could help.
I softmodded my xbox (v1.0) with a Splinter Cell game save exploit and installed UnleashX as my modded dash with a dual boot to the retail dash. Everything worked great with the original softmod.
Yesterday I used XBMCID (v1.2) burned to a DVD to try and install XBMC as my dash. I used the one click softmod option from the DVD and everything seemed to install without error, but now when I boot up my xbox, I get the XBMC logo for a second, but then the screen goes black. There's a rotating circle in the upper right corner for a few seconds, then that disappears as well. While the screen is blank, the xbox doesn't appear to be hung. I can hear the sounds of the menus being run though when I push my dpad and the volume indicator actually pops up in the upper right corner and can be adjusted when I move one of the analog sticks up or down. Very strange.
Couldn't find anything to fix the problem after much googling, so I was hoping one of the experts here could help. Any suggestions would be much appreciated...
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OK, so maybe I am a complete idiot...but I doubt it, I think some parts are missing....
I want to upgrade my HDD to a new 200 GB drive I have. I was reading from this thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/548462 (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/548462)
Which seems straightforward enough, except I can't figure out how to backup my eeprom using XBMC. The instructions are about UnleashedX or EvoX...I used to have UnleashedX but I overwrote that with XBMC per the instructions given.
How can I backup my eeprom so I can do the HD upgrade?
I looked for an E:/Dash folder and I don't even have that!
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Firstly, did your softmod installer suggest that you back up your eeprom when you installed the softmod? They commonly do that, if so you'd have a backup.
You can just put on another dashboard and lauch it. Dashboards arn't 'operating systems', they are just programs that can alter system settings and launch other programs. The dashboard is the program that the machine defaults to when it boots. Heck you could replace the dashboard with a game or other application and make an Xbox that boots directly to that game and can't do much else.
So you can just FTP any other dashboard into a temporary folder on your Xbox, go into XBMC, find the XBE for that in the filebrowser and launch it. Bam, it starts. When you're done and have your EEPROM, delete the dashboard. They're tiny too like a few MB at most.
Tip when you mod your box. BACK UP THE EEPROM. Multiple locations. You NEED that data to make an HDD that works. If you throw out the 8/10GB drive and your 200GB drive dies in the machine you're ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Without the EEPROM data backed up you can't make a new compatable drive. What I did along with digital copies was take the HDD Key from the EEPROM, printed it and taped it to the bottom of the Xbox.
NOTE: You could actually unbrick the Xbox with a modchip, but if you're going soft mod only, you'd be boned
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I know it backed up my eeprom on the initial soft-mod, but for the life of me I can't find that file anywhere!
I am not 100% sure I follow the alternate dashboard...is there an easy one to install (FTP to the E drive as a folder I assume?)
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It probably saved it to the MemoryCard. :P
And yes, you can install as many dashboards onto the Xbox as you want. It's just ONE is in the location that the Xbox will launch it as 'first boot'. Normally when booted the Xbox first searches for an executable on the DVD drive but if the drive has none, it goes to the HDD, and the program in that location is your dashboard. (Unless you make it something else)
But as dashboards are just programs you can launch one dashboard from another dashboard and so on. They are just programs afterall. So you can FTP any dashboard onto any temporary folder and then launch it with XBMCs filebrowser. It will be harmless and not replace your existing dashboard (So long as you don't overwrite the old dashboard when you FTP it on. Remember use a unique folder for that dashboard. It doesn't matter WHAT it's called just don't replace anything important). When in that new dashboard, do what you want to do, reboot, the Xbox will go to it's default dashboard.
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I was making it WAY to hard....I simply made a folder called evox dash, and inside it I took the evoxdash.xbe file from my softmod files...FTPd it in, then went to the file in the file explorer and did the backup. Found the backup in the evox dash folder I created and now I am on to the next step.
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...You actually didn't even need to copy over the softmod files either. ^^;
The softmod is done automatically at boot now. :P So long as you don't DELETE them from their original location, all's good. :P
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Once your new HDD is locked, you can just swap it right into the Xbox.
Ok, I guess that is some good info on locking, however I was under the impression you do the procedure on the Xbox, but when I read that line above, now I have to ask the question; do you do the procedure on a PC?!?
Don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'm having a problem with my softmodded xbox, and I thought someone here could help.
There's a rotating circle in the upper right corner for a few seconds, then that disappears as well. While the screen is blank, the xbox doesn't appear to be hung. I can hear the sounds of the menus being run though when I push my dpad and the volume indicator actually pops up in the upper right corner and can be adjusted when I move one of the analog sticks up or down. Very strange.
Would this be called 1/2 bricking?
OK, so maybe I am a complete idiot...but I doubt it, I think some parts are missing....
I want to upgrade my HDD to a new 200 GB drive I have. I
How can I backup my eeprom so I can do the HD upgrade?
I looked for an E:/Dash folder and I don't even have that!
I really stopped reading up on soft mods, but when I was going through the Bios section with Crash, there was a section in EVTool that allowed you to change the paths. He told me to change the paths and make notes about the path locations for later installation of the programs. Perhaps your paths are not right? (just a guess). As of now Crash is MIA. He did mention he is in the middle of a move. So I am going to try an 'wing it' on my own.
I AM going to buy a second Xbox this week to mod with the other chip I have. So if I temporarily "brick" the first box, I will have another one.
It is a shame that updated documentation is VERY poor right now. There really SHOULD be ONE simple step by step procedure for all the chips out there and I mean not a step by step document that keeps linking to dead links. As it is I have about half the proper procedure to carry this out because while the mod chips are constantly being updated, the new install procedures are not. So I am crossing my fingers that it will work.
Firstly, did your softmod installer suggest that you back up your eeprom when you installed the softmod? They commonly do that, if so you'd have a backup.
I think there is an option for that in Slayers when I was reading up on the documentation. AID definitely has the option as I JUST read up on that installer.
You can just put on another dashboard and lauch it.
What do you think of Crash's recommendation to set the first path to e:\Dash\default.xbe (leave blank) and put your main dashboard there. For the second path he recommends e:\Xbmc\xbmc.xbe so this way if there is a problem with the dash set in the first spot that it would bounce back to XBMC as the dash.
This is actually where I am now with flashing my rom, the question I wanted to ask Crash was why change over to the E:\ drive when the defaults for EVTool point to the C:\ drive. Is installing a dashboard to the C:\ drive a no no?
So you can just FTP any other dashboard into a temporary folder on your Xbox, go into XBMC, find the XBE for that in the filebrowser and launch it. Bam, it starts. When you're done and have your EEPROM, delete the dashboard. They're tiny too like a few MB at most.
Tip when you mod your box. BACK UP THE EEPROM. Multiple locations. You NEED that data to make an HDD that works. If you throw out the 8/10GB drive and your 200GB drive dies in the machine you're ---fouled up beyond all recognition---. Without the EEPROM data backed up you can't make a new compatable drive. What I did along with digital copies was take the HDD Key from the EEPROM, printed it and taped it to the bottom of the Xbox.
Ok, so the EEPROM back up is an important thing. Can you back it up via the network connection to a PC? When you install a new drive you have to put the EEPROM info back on to the new drive, right?
NOTE: You could actually unbrick the Xbox with a modchip, but if you're going soft mod only, you'd be boned
Ok, that is good to know that you can unbrick a mod chip Xbox.
It probably saved it to the MemoryCard. :P
Nope no memory card here! So where would the EEPROM info go in my case?
And yes, you can install as many dashboards onto the Xbox as you want. It's just ONE is in the location that the Xbox will launch it as 'first boot'. Normally when booted the Xbox first searches for an executable on the DVD drive but if the drive has none, it goes to the HDD, and the program in that location is your dashboard. (Unless you make it something else)
Yes, I remember seeing an option in EVtool that says DVD: Default.xbe. Crash told me to LEAVE IT BE!! He said that is your failsafe and that you could always boot an installer disk in the event the HDD doesn't boot up.
But as dashboards are just programs you can launch one dashboard from another dashboard and so on. They are just programs afterall. So you can FTP any dashboard onto any temporary folder and then launch it with XBMCs filebrowser. It will be harmless and not replace your existing dashboard (So long as you don't overwrite the old dashboard when you FTP it on. Remember use a unique folder for that dashboard. It doesn't matter WHAT it's called just don't replace anything important). When in that new dashboard, do what you want to do, reboot, the Xbox will go to it's default dashboard.
Ok, now here is what I want to do. I would LIKE to have the Xbox boot right into CoinOPS Ignite (Mame) because I want to experiment with the Xbox as it would appear in an 'in cabinet' scenario. However, if I want to I would like to also be able to boot into XBMC when not in cabinet mode.
As of now I have selected 3 dashboards (for the 3 search locations) 1) XBMC, default - fallback dashboard 2) CoinOps Ignite - booting dashboard 3) UnleashX - just an alternative located on the system.
I don't really know what is the advantage of using UnleashX over XBMC but the two dashboards did come highly recommended. Would I need Unleash X if I am using XBMC?
I was making it WAY to hard....I simply made a folder called evox dash, and inside it I took the evoxdash.xbe file from my softmod files...FTPd it in, then went to the file in the file explorer and did the backup. Found the backup in the evox dash folder I created and now I am on to the next step.
You ARE using the Evox dash though then, right?
Thanx,
Geo
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Ok, I guess that is some good info on locking, however I was under the impression you do the procedure on the Xbox, but when I read that line above, now I have to ask the question; do you do the procedure on a PC?!?
The Xbox can't lock the HDD because it would need to be locked for it to boot in the first place. XboxHDM is a PC Live CD that you prepair with contents from an Xbox HDD and then boot it in a PC. It's used to format and copy the data to the HDD, then lock it once it's done.
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Hello all,
Ok, last night after watching the Olympics, I got my rig all set up and ready to go. I have connected the Xbox to my computer and I have confirmed that I can access it via the IP address, so I know I am good there. I just have to finish up setting EVTool and then I can go for the burn.
Since the subject of saving came up I am also preparing an installer disc. What I am going to do today is compare AID and Slayers for myself to see what is cooking. Crash is MIA and I guess he is busy because of his move.
So my guess is that I am going to have to set up and burn the bios and then run the installation disk and take it from there.
I am hoping to get everything lined up for this weekend so that when Sunday comes I will either have a working Xbox with everything installed, or I will have brick.
We will see...
The Xbox can't lock the HDD because it would need to be locked for it to boot in the first place. XboxHDM is a PC Live CD that you prepair with contents from an Xbox HDD and then boot it in a PC. It's used to format and copy the data to the HDD, then lock it once it's done.
Would that be primarily the case with a soft-modded box? Because with my box on the Duo X2 chip I have noticed that you can lock/unlock the drive right from the FlashBios 3.0.3 menu. I also was reading that with a mod chip you can run an unlocked drive, but, of course, not in the original Xbox mode.
Geo
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Hello all,
I have a question in regards to the drive setup for the Bios. I am going to use the 'retail' drive which is an 8gig Western Digital drive. Crash recommended to install the dashboards to the "E" drive, but EVTool defaults all the dashboards to the C drive. Slayers recommends the E drive as well, but as of now I am not 100% sure I am going to use Slayers. Slayers is a bit outdated and they have a pretty old version of the XBMC dashboard. At this point I am more inclined to go with Auto Installer Deluxe as it is much more current. I have downloaded AID 4.5. Now AID 4.5 is indifferent on the path for the dashboard installations...with the exception of the MS 5960 dashboard. That one they specifically say has to go onto the C drive.
So that is my question, what should I do? Should I set all the dashes to the C drive or should I set them all to the E drive (with the exception of the MS 5960 Dash).
Just for the record, I DO want to access the Xbox functions in the event I want to play an Xbox game, but for the most part I will NOT be using the Xbox for its intended purpose. As I pointed out here several times, I will mainly use it for Mame (Emulators) and as a media center (XBMC). So really the two main dashboards I am interested in is XBMC and CoinOPs Ignite.
I think once I clear this up with the dashboard paths, I am ready to flash the Bios.
Thanx,
Geo
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As far as I know (thus going back some years when I installed my mod chip) You need to have backed up your data to the C drive. All 3rd party dashboards are installed in E:, not C: only the original xbox dash goes in C: everything else goes in E: including XBMC.
F: is for your storage and G: is there if you have upgraded the drive. Leave everything else alone.
BACKUP the xbox before you do any changes.
Use AID 4.5 and you should be cooking with gas.
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As far as I know (thus going back some years when I installed my mod chip) You need to have backed up your data to the C drive. All 3rd party dashboards are installed in E:, not C: only the original xbox dash goes in C: everything else goes in E: including XBMC.
Ok, so only the Xbox dash goes to C and the rest to E. Do I need to reinstall the Xbox dash if using the stock drive?
F: is for your storage and G: is there if you have upgraded the drive. Leave everything else alone.
The F: and G: drive wouldn't exist on the stock drive though, correct? I would only go up to an E: drive, right?
BACKUP the xbox before you do any changes.
Now you mentioned to put the backup data on the C drive, but is there also a way to back up the data to storage outside of the Xbox. Because if you back up to the on board drive an it fails...then you would be up the pooper right?
Use AID 4.5 and you should be cooking with gas.
Sounds good!
Question: Did you ever mod an Xbox with a Thomson DVD drive? If so, what brand media did you use for the DVD-R's From what I been reading the Thomson drive almost never reads a CD-R, DVD-R's it MAY read. But someone else mentioned that they had luck using DVD-RW's (using different brands) with the Thomson drives. I just want to know what format/brand to buy, that would increase my chances of the installer disc reading properly.
I am really surprised that that the Thomson drive is so picky, I would wonder if there were ever problems with it reading certain game discs (or regular movie DVD's) as well.
I was thinking about updating it to a Samsung drive, but what really for? As far as I know I would probably be only putting the installer disc in on Mame Xbox and that is it. For moving files over, I would probably use the internet connection or a memory stick in one of the controller ports.
Thanx,
Geo
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As far as I know (thus going back some years when I installed my mod chip) You need to have backed up your data to the C drive. All 3rd party dashboards are installed in E:, not C: only the original xbox dash goes in C: everything else goes in E: including XBMC.
Ok, so only the Xbox dash goes to C and the rest to E. Do I need to reinstall the Xbox dash if using the stock drive?
F: is for your storage and G: is there if you have upgraded the drive. Leave everything else alone.
The F: and G: drive wouldn't exist on the stock drive though, correct? I would only go up to an E: drive, right?
BACKUP the xbox before you do any changes.
Now you mentioned to put the backup data on the C drive, but is there also a way to back up the data to storage outside of the Xbox. Because if you back up to the on board drive an it fails...then you would be up the pooper right?
Use AID 4.5 and you should be cooking with gas.
Sounds good!
Question: Did you ever mod an Xbox with a Thomson DVD drive? If so, what brand media did you use for the DVD-R's From what I been reading the Thomson drive almost never reads a CD-R, DVD-R's it MAY read. But someone else mentioned that they had luck using DVD-RW's (using different brands) with the Thomson drives. I just want to know what format/brand to buy, that would increase my chances of the installer disc reading properly.
I am really surprised that that the Thomson drive is so picky, I would wonder if there were ever problems with it reading certain game discs (or regular movie DVD's) as well.
I was thinking about updating it to a Samsung drive, but what really for? As far as I know I would probably be only putting the installer disc in on Mame Xbox and that is it. For moving files over, I would probably use the internet connection or a memory stick in one of the controller ports.
Thanx,
Geo
I use TDK or Ritek but I burn at 4x
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if you use slayers or AID correctly you can pick any dash like any game off the hdd
there is a menu to pick wich dash you want and you can set whatever dash you want as the first default meaning it will go to that dash first and then the rest you can pic off a list.
between evo-x and xbmc those two pretty much cover all the other dash functions most used evo-x for the main/menu/listing's and xbmc for the media type stuff like movies music streaming etc.
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Hello All,
Tonight I have a MAJOR update on my progress. MUCH has happened this evening.
Since I had my Xbox set up near my computer on my spare monitor (thanx to a tip off on a special VGA converter via ark_ader), everything was ready to go...network connection and all.
The first thing I did was update the EVOX M8+ bios via EVTool. I set the paths as outlined by Crash pointing to the E Drive. I set up paths for:
1) E:\Dash\default.xbe
2) E:\XBMC\default.xbe
3) E:\UnleashX\default.xbe
Next I set the LBA48 section to Partition G to 137gig and the rest goes to the 7th partition.
Of course I set the size of the Bios to the recommended 512k.
I also changed the logo colors upon bootup too. I mostly turned everything off except for the main Xbox logo and I changed the center part of the "X" to orange, likewise I have the power LED on the front panel power up to orange as well. This way I KNOW the Xbox is in mod chip "on" mode.
When I was done I saved the file to BIOS.bin.
Next came the part I was sweating out a bit...will I have a good flash or not. As it turned out I was sweating it out for nothing! The network flash was the easiest thing ever and I didn't have to burn a bios disk! All I had to do was select "Flash Bios From Network" and then Flash Bios 3.0.3 gave me information on the Xbox's IP address. I just put that address into my web browser and boom! I was in! All I had to do was select my BIOS.bin file and hit the return key. At first, the web browser hung, but nothing was going on with the Xbox, so I ended up retrying the operation. Boom! It worked! I got the screen on the Xbox saying the BIOS was being updated. When it was done, the Xbox shut down as the instructions said it would.
Next came the moment of truth. I powered up the Xbox and I yelled a big "YESSS!!!" when the orange power light came up and the Xbox logo with the orange center booted up.
Now with the BIOS set, it came time to create the installer disc. I didn't run out and get any new DVD-R(W)s, since I had a bunch of Memorex discs, I decided to try one (since I have a bunch anyway).
I decided to go with AID (Auto Installer Deluxe) 4.5 because I liked the documentation over that of Slayer's and also because AID was more up to date with more current versions. I set it up as per instructions and then burned the ISO to my DVD-R.
I put the disk in the Xbox drawer and sure enough, it came back "unable to read disc". I was like, "THAT figures!" But then I remember reading that sometimes you can try opening the drawer and reinserting the disc. The first time I did it, again, it didn't work. I figured I was going to have to get Ritek discs as Ark_ader suggested, but then for the hell of it, I took the disc out, rebooted the Xbox, and then put the disc back in. This time the error message didn't come up, but the disc was being accessed for a LONG time. BUT then the AID screen came up! WOW! THAT made me happy!
So now I was feeling lucky and while I had the AID Installer program up, I figured I would get to some house keeping. I cleared the hard drive of all the old game saves that were on there (I didn't format anything as of yet). I then went to the backup screens and backed up the EEPROM, Cache, C & D drives to the E drive. (for some reason there wasn't an option to back up to the C drive). That all went successfully. I would like to know if there is a way to backup outside of using the main hard drive because after all if the hard drive fails...what good are the backups going to be? Storing them off the Xbox entirely would be best (if that is possible).
From there I went right to the installation of XBMC and I set that up as one of my dashboards. The installation took a while, but it was successful...now my Xbox boots right to XBMC.
So this is where I decided to stop as tomorrow is a work day...and it is tomorrow already! It is now 2:00am!
Yep, time for bed!
So that is where I am as of now. I have a successfully modded Xbox that is booting to XBMC. Now I just have to see how it takes to CoinOPS Ignite...but it is too late for that now. But it looks like the 'rough' part is now behind me and I can now configure the Xbox for my use.
So just to say thank you to all that have pitched in and helped thusfar!
Geo
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if you use slayers or AID correctly you can pick any dash like any game off the hdd
there is a menu to pick wich dash you want and you can set whatever dash you want as the first default meaning it will go to that dash first and then the rest you can pic off a list.
between evo-x and xbmc those two pretty much cover all the other dash functions most used evo-x for the main/menu/listing's and xbmc for the media type stuff like movies music streaming etc.
Well, since I have the Xbox going now with XBMC I would like to get the emulators section set up and I would now like to put on CoinOPS Ignite so I can see how it plays MAME games.
Geo
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Hello all,
Quick question in regards to setting up FileZilla with the Xbox. I followed Crash's recommendations above and downloaded and installed FileZilla CLIENT on my machine. However, the Xbox is looking for an FTP SERVER. Should I have downloaded and installed the FileZilla SERVER on my computer instead?
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello all,
Quick question in regards to setting up FileZilla with the Xbox. I followed Crash's recommendations above and downloaded and installed FileZilla CLIENT on my machine. However, the Xbox is looking for an FTP SERVER. Should I have downloaded and installed the FileZilla SERVER on my computer instead?
Thanx,
Geo
No The Server is XBMC or Evox you just need the client software to do the transfer. Remember the user name and password is Xbox and the port is 21. The IP is what you set it to and please wait about 2 minutes before doing the transfer, as the FTP client might not be able to see the xbox right away.
Also watch out for multiple FTP connections, file names (keep it short and no goofy characters ~! rule of thumb is 15 char max) and timeouts. I find that I can transfer more with XBMC than I can with Avalaunch. Also if you have two xboxes you can hot transfer between them.
Have fun!
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No The Server is XBMC or Evox you just need the client software to do the transfer. Remember the user name and password is Xbox and the port is 21. The IP is what you set it to and please wait about 2 minutes before doing the transfer, as the FTP client might not be able to see the xbox right away.
Also watch out for multiple FTP connections, file names (keep it short and no goofy characters ~! rule of thumb is 15 char max) and timeouts. I find that I can transfer more with XBMC than I can with Avalaunch. Also if you have two xboxes you can hot transfer between them.
Have fun!
Ok, today I must say I had to do a WTF. NOW it is working. I don't get it. Last night it wouldn't log on and just now I tried it again and it immediately connected. I didn't even have to wait the two minutes. At any rate, last night it timed out in less than a minute.
But I am in right now. I will have to see how I make out with the CoinOPS install.
Right now I have CoinOPS ReIgnite 5. Which is the 2nd to the latest version. The latest version is the ReIgnite Showcase, but that is over 4gig, so it is too big for my system. Since I am connected, I am going to at least move CoinOPS over.
Ok, that seemed to go well. Now I just have to put everything where it belongs. When it comes to the roms there is a issue of what version roms that the Xbox will take. I think it is the mame .89 rom set? I think there was a program out there that allowed you to do convert newer roms to an older version, correct?
Thanx,
Geo
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When it comes to the roms there is a issue of what version roms that the Xbox will take. I think it is the mame .89 rom set? I think there was a program out there that allowed you to do convert newer roms to an older version, correct?
The program is clrmamepro. I've posted links to a tutorial before so you can Google those.
Fair warning, it's not the easiest software to use/understand the first time. Just follow the instructions and you'll be fine. Make a copy of your roms before your begin and have clrmamepro work off of the copies. That way, if something goes poorly, you have the originals to copy again and then try again.
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Hello All,
Ok, I had a bit of a scare tonight. I was attempting to setup CoinOPS Reignite 5 as a dashboard. In my BIOS I created a 'test' folder for the first bootable dashboard. This is what will reside in the E:\DASH\ folder. So basically all I would have to do is rename the main folder of the prospective dashboard to "DASH" and the BIOS should look for the default.xbe file and it should automatically boot it.
Well guess what? It didn't work. Furthermore, with it being the first directory the BIOS looks for, I couldn't get back into XBMC. However...as Crash pointed out to me, all I have to do is fall back onto the Auto Installer disc since the DVD: Default.xbe still takes precedence over the hard drive. So I put the AID disc back into the DVD drive and it booted up. From there I was able to get back into the file manager and rename the \DASH\ folder back to CoinOPS ReIgnite 5. After doing so, rebooting the Xbox brought me back to the XBMC dash. Whew! Good thing for the AID disk!
Ok, so now wondering why it didn't boot did get to me thinking about another thread I read in regards to moving files into the TDATA and UDATA directories in which certain files must be moved here in order for the CoinOPS to boot as a dashboard. Well, as it turned out, what I read was for the older versions of CoinOPS, the Ignite series. The Reignite series doesn't need to transfer the files.
So, now with XBMC back up as my dashboard, I navigated to the CoinOPs directory and triggered the default.xbe file in that directory. CoinOPS Reignite came up, however, I wasn't able to do much since there were no roms loaded as of yet. Which does remind me that I am not 100% sure what version roms CoinOPs Reignite uses. Ignite used Mame rom versions .89 (or was it .84)? I am not sure what these later versions of CoinOPs uses.
So I guess that would be my next step to get CoinOPs running FIRST through XMC and then I will try to handle the issue as to why it isn't running as a dashboard.
The program is clrmamepro. I've posted links to a tutorial before so you can Google those.
Ahhh, yes, that was the name of the program. I was trying to look for it but couldn't remember the name for the life of me.
Fair warning, it's not the easiest software to use/understand the first time. Just follow the instructions and you'll be fine.
Well, considering that there are 1000's of games and I don't even have anywhere near that amount of roms, I figured the conversion would still be easier and less time consuming than to filter out the 2000 or so games that Mame supports.
Make a copy of your roms before your begin and have clrmamepro work off of the copies. That way, if something goes poorly, you have the originals to copy again and then try again.
Oh, definitely. I have backup copies in several places. I would NEVER alter my original set.
Thanx,
Geo
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Hello All,
Ok, another update.
For the skins I found out how to get them off of the AID installer disk. When I set up the AID installer, I did specifically select the add on for the skins, however, after XMBC installed, there were only two skins in the folder?!?! Apparently it didn't install them automatically.
So after figuring out the D drive is the DVD (DUH! Been so used to two drive partition computers in which the D drive is the second hard drive). I managed to navigate through the AID installer disk and found the skins.
I started to play around with the skins and for the most part I tried about 3 or 4 and I didn't like them. One I did like was Xbox Classic, but for some reason on this skin I couldn't view my files in the File Manager? So I was curious if anyone played around with the Xbox Classic skin and noticed this as well. Moreover, I would like to know if there is a fix for it.
I am a bit at a disadvantage in that I don't know what these skins look like beforehand and operate. One skin called "Amped", I found myself having a tough time getting around. Needless to say I will not be using THAT one! I am really looking for two kinds of skin...one a nice one for browsing media (kind of like an iTunes job?) and one for video games. For video games I do like the Xbox Classic, but not being able to view the files isn't a good thing. I wonder if that was done purposely so no one could alter the files? Hmmmmmm. Looks like I have to search the web to find out.
So far FileZilla has been working great and I have uploaded all the roms for the Atari 2600 emulator I have on my PC to the emulator on the Xbox. So at least I can play some games already! (YAY!).
I still have to set up my roms for CoinOPs Reignite, but as they say, slowly but surely I am getting there.
Once I can get CoinOPS set up and booting on it's own, then I am going to post the whole step by step guide here. So this way this forum will have an up to date guide.
One thing is for sure, I am definitely going to have ALOT of fun with these Xbox mods. I certainly will have another Xbox on the way because once I want one for showcasing movies. That one pretty much will be an XBMC only box (with maybe a couple video games on it, I certainly will put the Atari games on that since my family remembers those. Sure would be nice to play those on my big screen projector!)
Ok, so now I just have to convert my roms over and see how CoinOPS works.
Geo
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Use .84 Roms.
Copy over your set to the DVD.
You shouldn't have to convert anything, if you have followed my advice recently. ;)
Make sure you put Dragon's lair on that Xbox too via DaphneX and use the DVD for the M2V/OGG.
I would look at getting a DVD of your roms stored on the DVD for everything, as you are using a stock drive, but get a compatible 500gb PATA as soon as you can. Remember you can use SAMBA over your network/NAS.
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Use .84 Roms.
Copy over your set to the DVD.
Had I realized that AID only took up half the DVD-R, I WOULD have done that. It is just that I am so used to burning CD-R's and I know that the capacity of a disc is about 700mb. I wasn't sure about DVD-Rs...and I was way off the mark. I thought it was perhaps 2 gig or so....WRONG! Over FOUR gig. ...And of course I found that out AFTER I burned the AID disc.
But the good news is that I have been successfully accessing that AID disc...so my Memorex discs should work. So I always could burn another one with the Mame .84 roms and screen shots (etc) for safe keeping.
You shouldn't have to convert anything, if you have followed my advice recently. ;)
Oh, you were referring to the websites that you PM'ed me? Well, I had thought of just redownloading the sets when I saw those, but the Rapidshare kept giving me the "I am full, come back later" message and therefore, I couldn't download from there. The other website has a MameOX download with over 1000 roms, but that download was in three parts and each part was a 6 hour download. Naturally I said to myself, "there has to be a better way". And that was when I remembered about clrmamepro...but just forgot the name.
Make sure you put Dragon's lair on that Xbox too via DaphneX and use the DVD for the M2V/OGG.
I know I am probably going to get flamed for this and I know that you are going to find this weird coming from a classic gamer such as myself, but I really never liked Dragon's Lair or Space Ace. (Yes, that is correct, you read right and you are NOT seeing things). I remember when those games came out, (being a product of the Gen X generation myself). The games were too hard to control and whatever control that you DID had was very limited. I will say that I actually enjoyed watching the two games more than playing them. I never understood the hype behind the games outside of the fact that they were a limited control cartoon 'movie'. Yet, many people loved the games. I just didn't.
Since I been into Mame and emulation, Dragon's Lair has NEVER set file footprint on any of my machines...and it is probably going to stay that way. (From what I gather, they aren't easy to set up on a computer either).
I would look at getting a DVD of your roms stored on the DVD for everything, as you are using a stock drive, but get a compatible 500gb PATA as soon as you can.
For the Mame Xbox I am going to keep the stock drive, as I really don't need a large drive. However, for the XBMC Xbox, yeah, that one will need a bigger drive.
Remember you can use SAMBA over your network/NAS.
What are the advantages of Samba over FileZilla?
Thanx,
Geo
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For the Mame Xbox I am going to keep the stock drive, as I really don't need a large drive. However, for the XBMC Xbox, yeah, that one will need a bigger drive.
To get stuff on the hard drive for XBMC you have to FTP it over. I really don't find it convienent. What XBMC can also do is access media shared on shared folders as if they were right on it. I find it a million times easier to just have folders on my desktop, specfically for sorted media, for the Xbox to access remotely.
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Hello guys,
Ok, I believe I managed to get the necessary .84 roms over to the "roms" folder in CoinOPs Reignite 5. However, there is no change on the main screen which shows the coin ops logo and the favorites list button. If I try to click on any button on the controller, nothing happens either. In order to get out of CoinOPS I have to reboot the Xbox. Thus it is safe to say that something is wrong as CoinOPs doesn't see the roms and it is hanging.
I tried to look up some info in regards to this issue, but there is very little documentation in regards to the CoinOPS series.
Edit: Oh! I forgot to mention that I DID load up MameOX and the roms DO work with that...however the interface for MameOX is kind of BLAH! So I would like to get CoinOPs running.
Thanx,
Geo
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I just got the low quality xmv movies for the entire set, and it plays very well with CoinOPS. I also downloaded and converted the ambient arcade sounds and they now play on it as well.
The package is turning out to be a great opportunity for those who like to create cabinets, just to stick a cheap xbox in there. I managed to get the 720p working on CoinOPS and it just gets better and better.
If it was just for the spinner functionality (erratic at the moment) I would do away with the PC entirely.
Just have to convince the developers to bring out CoinOPS with the OpenXDK so it can be compliant.
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I just got the low quality xmv movies for the entire set, and it plays very well with CoinOPS. I also downloaded and converted the ambient arcade sounds and they now play on it as well.
But, you have larger hard drive installed right? I am using the stock drive, so for the most part I will be fine with the still shots.
The package is turning out to be a great opportunity for those who like to create cabinets, just to stick a cheap xbox in there. I managed to get the 720p working on CoinOPS and it just gets better and better.
I am a bit disappointed that I can't get CoinOPs to work AT ALL. It fires up to the CoinOPs screen but I don't see the roms and there is no functionality (it hangs), and I have to reboot.
So I have to track down the fellow that created it and perhaps he can give me some assistance. In the mean time I am going to try one of the older versions and see if I have better luck there.
As of now I have been using the roms from that link you gave me and those roms are working fine within the much older MameOX program. So the issue with CoinOPs is definitely not the roms.
We will see what I can dig up because I would rather use CoinOPs, it just looks more 'pro'.
Overall though, I am enjoying my experience with the modded Xbox and I DO want to do another one soon. Last night I wanted to try out some videos in XBMC, but I noticed that there wasn't a designated folder to put the media. So I am wondering where you put everything. I DID find the playlist function and I certainly want to test that out as that will be an essential feature for my 'other' Xbox project.
If it was just for the spinner functionality (erratic at the moment) I would do away with the PC entirely.
That is my thinking as well. When dealing with a PC, I generally had to cobble everything together piece by piece. Then comes the issue of mounting everything (which isn't too bad if you are dealing with a full size cabinet), and finally you have to buy an expensive keyboard encoder (well you don't have to, but if you want a FULL control set up (or as what is called a Frankenpanel) then you need one). But for smaller projects such as a cocktail system or a bartop cabinet, the Xbox comes in on a NICE level having everything contained in one convenient box that is much smaller than most PC's.
So you are still having problems with the spinner, huh? That is a bummer. Is that also still the case with mouse control? Because a mouse is really...a trackball!
I have played games like Arkanoid and Tempest with a trackball before. It isn't perfect, but it works OK. I had to laugh because when I playing Arkanoid last night it took me a while to figure out that they mapped the paddle to the analog triggers on the Xbox controller. The triggers were pretty much on/off, so controlling Arkanoid that way is futile. So based on those control issues, I know many games will be left out of my project. But still a good portion can be played. So I am not really complaining.
BTW, I have come across another "Tiny" alternative (and this will be a separate topic I will post here) to getting a Mame set up into a small space. I wonder if anyone has ever tried a Mac Mini
Here take a look:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8131322@N03/485162030/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/8131322@N03/485162030/#)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Mini)
Believe it or not the cpu cabinet is that little white box next to the monitor and the right speaker. THAT is even smaller than the XBox! They make Mame for the Mac right?
EDIT:
Answered my own question:
http://mameosx.sourceforge.net/ (http://mameosx.sourceforge.net/)
YES! THEY DO!
Just have to convince the developers to bring out CoinOPS with the OpenXDK so it can be compliant.
So it is the lack of this OpenXDK that is giving the trouble with reading things like trackballs and spinners?
Thanx,
Geo
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You have to scan for the roms in CoinOPS - which version are you using? You have to copy Tdata and Udata to the E drive. You should be using R5 Showcase. With The Stock drive you should be able to fit everything. I only have 30 roms installed that I play regularly. I consider that enough.
Have a look at Final Burn Legends.
The videos in XBMC I tend to stream from my NAS. I just have to map the drive in XBMC and you can configure it in the scripts to launch directly from movies/Videos or Emulators. I'm using the final build of XBMC and I have to say I am impressed. I have another soft modded Xbox just for XBMC + remote and it streams very well. I can also stream roms from the various emulators except CoinOPS. I doesn't quite work properly, which is a shame.
Mac Mini is pointless. If you want to build a mini-Mame - I build Sub-Mini cabinets with old Laptops. The smallest one being 12x5 inches, which reminds me that I have yet to finish that Dragon's Lair Sub Mini and my Ark_Ade Mini....... ;D
I'm known as the master procrastinator when it comes to finishing these builds. I wonder if I could squeeze the xbox in the DL....
Has anyone shelled a Xbox for a project?
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You have to scan for the roms in CoinOPS - which version are you using? You have to copy Tdata and Udata to the E drive. You should be using R5 Showcase. With The Stock drive you should be able to fit everything. I only have 30 roms installed that I play regularly. I consider that enough.
Add a zero to that number you have there. I have about 300 roms total that I 'would' play. But in terms of the ones I play regularly, most likely less than half that. That might even be less again in regards to the analog control issues with the Xbox. Right there would go all your spinner, driver, and trackball games.
Supposedly I was reading that the Tdata and Udata only applied to the "Ignite" or older versions of CoinOPs and you didn't have to worry about that with the newer versions. BUT I could have read wrong!
I have CoinOPS ReIgnite R5 on the Xbox right now.
I found out about the scanning thing you mentioned a few minutes ago as well. I finally broke down and signed up to the 1Emulation.com site, this way I could at least search for some information. Low and behold I found someone that had the same problem I am having and "scanning" was mentioned. Last time I checked, I thought coin-ops 'locked up' on me, so I have to double check that again.
Another thing I am trying to find out is that with XBMC on board, I probably don't have to have CoinOPs set up for direct booting...All I have to do is create a shortcut and put that shortcut in the E:Dash <script file> directory and the Xbox should boot up CoinOPs directly. So while that makes sense to me, I just have to learn how to do it. So I have been scrounging the XBMC on-line manual to see if I can find out some more info about that.
Have a look at Final Burn Legends.
Is that a game? I came across that before (in forums) as it sounds familiar.
The videos in XBMC I tend to stream from my NAS. I just have to map the drive in XBMC and you can configure it in the scripts to launch directly from movies/Videos or Emulators. I'm using the final build of XBMC and I have to say I am impressed. I have another soft modded Xbox just for XBMC remote and it streams very well. I can also stream roms from the various emulators except CoinOPS. I doesn't quite work properly, which is a shame.
What I was reading up on was that you could add something called "send2XBMC" on a media file on your PC computer and send, via the network, a stream right into the Xbox's XBMC playlist, or play it live. I was like WOW! Now I am seriously interested in that network wireless bridge thing, because if I can stream to the Xbox from the computer, all the while being wireless, then I can set up my entire movie programs using the hard drives on my main computer and then stream to the Xbox! All in all, that could mean I don't have to update the hard drive on my current Xbox and I could STILL enjoy just about any movie I have on my main system. Not bad! But, once again, learning HOW to do it is the trick.
Mac Mini is pointless. If you want to build a mini-Mame - I build Sub-Mini cabinets with old Laptops. The smallest one being 12x5 inches, which reminds me that I have yet to finish that Dragon's Lair Sub Mini and my Ark_Ade Mini....... ;D
If the Xbox had the issue of the trackball/spinner straightened out, I wouldn't bother with the Mini Mac either. It is just something that I came across when looking at 'small computers'.
One thing I did notice while using that component to SVGA adapter on my 2nd computer monitor. It isn't 100% clear. The writing is a bit 'fuzzy'. Also, I had noticed that when playing Asteroids last night that the 'bullet' (shots fired from the spacecraft) pixels were hard to see. So I know I wouldn't be happy using such an adapter on an arcade cabinet. That is a bummer too, because generally for an arcade cabinet, I would most likely use a computer monitor, so I was hoping that the picture would be clearer on the Xbox. Perhaps I might be better off with a TV.
I have an S-video TV and the Xbox looks good on that, BUT that TV is also 27" I could imagine that with a proper RGB 'arcade' monitor, it should look great. But those are EXPENSIVE!
I'm known as the master procrastinator when it comes to finishing these builds. I wonder if I could squeeze the xbox in the DL....
I am usually slow when it comes to the actual cabinet building. I am not the greatest with woodworking. But with the Xbox, set up should be pretty quick. It is amazing what you can do with that little black box! I still have to get out and get another one because I KNOW I will not have enough on ONE!
Anyway, I will try that "scan" out in CoinOps and report back.
Thanx,
Geo
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With regard to the Component issue you are having,your xbox being NTSC (if not switch it to NTSC) and visit your old M$ dashboard to change it to 720p.
I played asteroids, asteroids delux and blasteroids the other night and I had no problems. Maybe you have to tweak your display settings. I know I had to as the screen shifted to the right some pixels.
The spinner/trackball issue isn't really an issue except that when you exit the game you lose your settings (dial settings). Maybe it is due to the files being read-only? I'll have to check on it (just thought of it just now).
You really need to invest in a NAS or an OLD PC server. I have mine on 24/7 and it serves the entire house (and probably the hackers too :P) Better to make the NAS a linux device as it gives more security and its free. I like the web server on the XBMC that allows you to remote use the Xbox to play whatever media you have on. Thus when I need to queue up a few movies I can then set up the play list and fire it off from IE on my pocket PC. ;D
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Hello all,
Ok, I fixed the issue with CoinOPS. What I thought was a lockup, wasn't. My start button is a bit 'sticky', so I got persistent with it and low and behold I got into the start button menu and saw the 'scan roms' option. I did so and went back to the main screen and there were the roms! So naturally I kicked back and played a few games.
I must say that for a simple front end, CoinOPS sure does an excellent job at giving you that 'arcade cabinet' feel. On the roms, you don't have to do the 'joystick wiggle' in the beginning...always a dead giveaway of an emulated system.
No if there was a way to change the skins...
With regard to the Component issue you are having,your xbox being NTSC (if not switch it to NTSC) and visit your old M$ dashboard to change it to 720p.
Whoa! Ho ho ho! WHAT a DIFFERENCE! It is much much better now.
I played asteroids, asteroids delux and blasteroids the other night and I had no problems. Maybe you have to tweak your display settings. I know I had to as the screen shifted to the right some pixels.
Well, it DOES look much better now with the 720p setting and if I play in a darkened room it is great, but I think I have to get into the settings for the vector graphics and see if I can make them more 'vivid'.
The spinner/trackball issue isn't really an issue except that when you exit the game you lose your settings (dial settings). Maybe it is due to the files being read-only? I'll have to check on it (just thought of it just now).
I am actually right now playing Afterburner and it is using the analog stick (on the controller), so I figure there has to be SOME analog support on the Xbox. I am AMAZED at how Afterburner runs on the Xbox. The picture is fluid and there is NO stuttering of the audio. Even on my PC which has 4 times the power of the Xbox, I still have problems with Sega games. So this is really great!
You really need to invest in a NAS or an OLD PC server.
What does "NAS" stand for?
I have mine on 24/7 and it serves the entire house (and probably the hackers too :P) Better to make the NAS a linux device as it gives more security and its free. I like the web server on the XBMC that allows you to remote use the Xbox to play whatever media you have on. Thus when I need to queue up a few movies I can then set up the play list and fire it off from IE on my pocket PC. ;D
Sounds great! Perhaps in the future I would do something like that, but for now if I could stream wireless to the Xbox that would be great. But I am going to put a bigger hard drive on the second Xbox I will be getting. I am going to pick it up tomorrow night in fact.
But man, I have to say mucho thanks on the tip off to change the resolution on the Xbox, its MUCH better now.
Geo
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NAS is networked attached storage. Just another way to use a hard drive on your network to share files to the Xbox.
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NAS is networked attached storage. Just another way to use a hard drive on your network to share files to the Xbox.
Oh, OK so basically it is a networkable equivalent of an external USB hard drive?
Something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Network-Attached-Enclosure-DNS-321/dp/B0019OZ3OO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267535513&sr=8-7 (http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Network-Attached-Enclosure-DNS-321/dp/B0019OZ3OO/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267535513&sr=8-7)
I think that would be a nice alternative then having to constantly to power up a computer all the time.
Thank you for clearing that up and thanx, Ark_ader for the suggestion, this DOES look like a great idea.
So far one of my goals (my main goal) with the Xbox has been achieved. I am running Mame games with CoinOPS.
Now, what I would like to do is set up a boot instruction through XBMC. What I want is the Xbox to boot right to CoinOPS., Then that phase of my project is done. Then I just have to figure out XBMC more for the media project.
As we speak, I am preparing my other mod chip and I am going to buy another Xbox later on on my lunch break. That Xbox I am going to put a bigger hard drive in it and get it set for multimedia use.
OH! Almost forgot to mention. I no longer need to use FileZilla (wow THAT was short lived). As it turns out within Windows you can go into "My Network Places" and when the screen comes up, you can click on "Add network place". In there you can select an FTP address. You set up the path like so:
Ftp://xbox:xbox@IP (http://Ftp://xbox:xbox@IP) (the Xbox IP address) and boom! You get an icon in My Network places that will allow you access to all the drives on the Xbox...NO FileZilla needed!
When I set up the second XBox I am going to go right to this option for networking and see if it works. If so then you don't need FileZilla!
Oh, I been looking around and I want to change the look on CoinOPS ReIgnite, I actually prefer the "CoinOPS" logo to be in the older orange typeface. The current color I don't like...that is really the only thing I would like to change at this time. I DID notice a skin folder within CoinOPS, but without instructions I don't know what to do with it. So far I have not found anything on changing the skins. But that would be something nice.
Overall this is great, especially now that I found out about the higher resolution.
I must say overall I have to thank everyone for assisting me with this project. If it wasn't for this forum I wouldn't even have known that you could do this all with an Xbox.
Geo
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Good to see you are making progress!
I added a 200GB drive to my Xbox...but of course I only see 137GB...is there a way to partition it to ses the rest? I couldn't find anything about after the fact partitions.
I did have issues with my front end, which I need to try and work out. I copied my drive via DVD to my new drive, but then it wouldn't boot without an error. I used an Xbox Live disk to boot, and then was able to powercycle and get into the interface. FTP was wacky as well...took 2-3 days to get my 1K roms on there. I installed Coin Ops on as well, it is a nice interface but I know I need to fix everything...it's been fun so far.
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The F: drive is limited to 137 GB, but the G: drive can be formatted to reclaim the rest of the space on the hard drive. It is completely usable.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828 (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828)
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Good to see you are making progress!
M A J O R Progress! Everyday I am learning/figuring out something new. Tonight I used the XBE shortcut maker to create a shortcut on my E:\DASH\ folder. What the program does is make a link that points to any "default.xbe" file and it, in turn makes a new default.xbe file which you can put anywhere, i.e. a panel button or ...you guessed it, a BIOS boot path. I tried it out tonight and the Xbox booted right into CoinOPS. CoinOPS really isn't a dashboard, it is an application, but you can fake it by booting directly to it using the shortcut.
Anyway, once I tested booting directly into CoinOPS, I reset the path for the new default.xbe so this way I can boot back into XBMC, so I can continue to play with that dashboard.
As of now the only thing left I would like to do is change the skin for the CoinOPS list. The only thing I really want to do is use the older orange "CoinOPS" lettering.
Shifting over to XBMC, I have full sharing set up to the music partition on my hard drive on my PC. XBMC recognized it right away via Windows SMB sharing. So I had XBMC link to it and now I can play all my music on the XBox!
I know this kind of defeats the purpose with the Xbox right next to my computer, but it was really a test as I am seriously considering a NAS system. But what I really want now to do is put the Xbox on WIFI.
I also accessed SHOUTcast though the Xbox and I am listening to some old disco / dance classics as I am typing this (man I haven't heard this stuff in YEARS!).
So I still have much to do with XBMC. I still have to learn how to use the playlists in XBMC. Tonight I am finding out how powerful and HUGE XBMC really is. I am really geekin' out over this.
Tonight I picked up a second Xbox to modify. Luck have it, it is another version 1.0! YAY! :applaud: That means another easy mod. What is even more lucky was that this Xbox had it's original "Duke" controller. I have large hands, so I actually prefer the feel of "The Duke". So I am going to keep that controller as is and hack the other one. For this Xbox, I also bought the Xbox IR remote control. I am going to experiment with that tomorrow night.
I added a 200GB drive to my Xbox...but of course I only see 137GB...is there a way to partition it to ses the rest? I couldn't find anything about after the fact partitions.
Yeah, the Xbox I bought tonight I am going to put a larger drive in it. I am going to need a large 'local' drive for when I play movie events. But I am probably going to go with something around that size too, about a 200gig or 300gig drive. The Xbox doesn't support SATA so I would hold out for a NAS system and then I will go REALLY big on the hard drives. But the NAS is really only going to work with the Xbox IF I can get it to go wireless. So going wireless is really my next big step.
I did have issues with my front end, which I need to try and work out.
What's wrong?
I copied my drive via DVD to my new drive, but then it wouldn't boot without an error. I used an Xbox Live disk to boot, and then was able to powercycle and get into the interface. FTP was wacky as well...took 2-3 days to get my 1K roms on there. I installed Coin Ops on as well, it is a nice interface but I know I need to fix everything...it's been fun so far.
Sorry to hear you been having trouble. I wonder if it is related to the softmod. As of now, I am pretty much sold on the Duo X2 chips and I am probably going to get a couple more "just in case" I might want another Xbox. But hopefully the Xbox 360 will come down in price (used) and then I can have a ball hacking into that console.
But thusfar I am having a blast with the Xbox. Oh! I also have it set up to play Atari 2600 games. The AID had an Atari 2600 emulator on board, so I loaded it up. I already had the cartridge roms on my computer since I have Stella on my PC. So I just pushed the roms over to the Xbox emulator.
Sidebar: I just had a huge laugh, I just noticed the Xbox screen for the SHOUTcasts shows a picture of a set of Sony MDR-V700 headphones. I just happen to have those headphones sitting on my head right now! :lol
Well, I am through for tonight. It's getting late and it is a work night. Really the only thing left I have to do with CoinOPS is figure out how to change the skins. So as of now I am putting together an UPDATED mod chip tutorial and I will post that here and hopefully I can get it stickied. After that I can start thinking about my control panel for the bartop cabinet.
Whew! This SURE has been a journey. The big hangup for me was flashing the bios, once I was past that point, I got the ball rolling. We will see what I find out for tomorrow evening!
But for now it is goodnight!
Geo
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Make sure you put Dragon's lair on that Xbox too via DaphneX and use the DVD for the M2V/OGG.
I was telling a friend about what I was doing with the Xbox and now he wants one too. He is mostly interested in XBMC, but when we started to talk about CoinOPS and MAME...of all the games he brings up, he starts jabbering about Dragon's Lair! And now he wants an "arcade correct" one, and he begged me to learn more about it. So I have a funny feeling there will be a Dragon's Lair project in my near future.
Anyway, I found out that the AID Installer disc DOES have the Daphne emulator and browsing the wiki and main Daphne site, I also found out that it has a forum:
https://www.daphne-emu.com/phpBB2/ (https://www.daphne-emu.com/phpBB2/)
So I pointed him in that direction (and I am probably going to have to there myself). Hopefully I am good for now, but I can 'feel' getting sucked into this one. But he has to find a DL cabinet first.
However, I JUST have that funny feeling I am opening up a can of worms even THINKING about considering this.
Sidebar: For those of you not in the know (or simply were not around in the early 80's), Dragon's Lair was a game that used a cartoon "movie" for visuals on a CPU accessible Laser Disk player. While this technology was cutting edge at the time, the control of the game was horrible at best requiring more sheer memorization rather than skill. You JUST had to time the controls 'right'. (If you didn't, you died!) Back in the day when the game came out, I just was completely frustrated with it and I would rather see a more experienced person play while I would watch to see how far they would get. Dragon's Lair was one of the first games to require a TWO coin credit (50cents (US) as opposed to the 25cent normal cost to play a video game). Needless to say Dragon's Lair (Space Ace, and other games like it), I quickly labeled as "quarter eaters" and I didn't play them much.
Fast forwarding, I did look into Dragon's Lair before with Mame, but I found out that the work needed to get it going was astronomical. You also needed the original Laser disk.
I didn't know about Daphne until now. It 'looks' like Daphne is a bit easier to work with and it seems to work with a DVD copy of Dragon's Lair, but I am not sure if I want to undertake a project of this magnitude.
The only driving force I would have behind it is that, even though I don't like the game, I AM curious as to what it would look like on my video projector >:D. So does my friend.
But it does look like I will be making another trip to Play N Trade (on my friend's behalf) and making him a modded Xbox for XBMC. So I may as well put a BIG hard drive in it from the get go.
The F: drive is limited to 137 GB, but the G: drive can be formatted to reclaim the rest of the space on the hard drive. It is completely usable.
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828 (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828)
Hello Shmokes,
Thank you for that info. I didn't read all of it, but I know I am going to need it! I DID get to the part with how to get the valuable backup data OFF of the built in hard drive. That was something I wanted to do in the first place. But I am sure I am going to have some questions once I start modding the second Xbox.
Yes, I have been told to be sure to set the LBA48 settings to the one that says 6th partition to 137db and 7th partition is the rest within EVTool. This is in the event that I do update a retail HDD, the Bios is already set up to recognize the larger drive.
Thanx,
Geo
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I used a 200GB SATA drive in mine…extra drive I had around. I used a SATA adapter for it to work with IDE…I bought two and one was bad. I bought this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537 (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537) for $5 each. This was an easy install, and my old drive is still available if I wish to downgrade to it again.
The issues I am having are probably because I farked with everything too much. Or it could be my Xbox. I get Error 21 and Error 13 warnings sometimes. I installed CoinOps Reignite, but haven’t gotten as far as figuring out all the BIOS and other stuff you have…I don’t think I can wrap my brain around all that. For now I can boot up, select the emulator I want, and I am good. I just need to figure out how to point MAMEOX and CoinOps to the same Rom path (different drive letters currently) so I don’t have to duplicate the roms. I am currently using UnleashedX…I had to uninstall my softmod and reinstall it to get it working somewhat. I liked XBMC, but I needed EvoX for the backup of my eeeprom, and then I needed UnleashedX for the format of drive G.
On a side note, I now have a neo-geo cabinet for the Xbox, with a 27” TV installed. I took the tube out of the casing at it fits with about 4” to spare on each side, and maybe 2” top and bottom. I need to make a Bezel for it after I finish securing it in, and figuring out what to do with the electrical panel and switches…I am currently shopping for a KB/mouse adapter for the xbox, so I can use my KB adapter for connecting my control panel. Should make modding controls simpler I THINK (not sure how people connect to the XBOX really).
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I am currently shopping for a KB/mouse adapter for the xbox, so I can use my KB adapter for connecting my control panel. Should make modding controls simpler I THINK (not sure how people connect to the XBOX really).
Contact Haruman in B/S/T. He does controller hacks and it' probably a better solution for you.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=76185.0 (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=76185.0)
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The PC version of Daphne is the same as DaphneX. The fellows at the Daphne Website would not be able to help your friend get it to work, but I have it installed with space ace and it works fine.
Note to those of you out there: If you are reading this and want to chirp in and say Space Ace doesn't work on the DaphneX PM me and I will be able to help. I found out why it screws up in the middle of the game, and runs now without errors. ;D
You need to use xbpartitioner 1.1 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=654602) to format those drives up to 1TB. Note your Evox bios needs to be upgraded. I could not find any PATA drives more than 750gb. The SATA -> PATA method is not without issues.
CoinOPS skins..... hmmm why? Anyways I found several that might be of interest. I don't know what issues you might run into with 720p. Look in your XBMC XML configs to see what the screen sizes are set to and use as a templete. The skins will be different per resolution.
I just have to find those xbox friendly cocktail cabinet plans to get all the :censored: wires, consoles and etc. put away.
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The PC version of Daphne is the same as DaphneX. The fellows at the Daphne Website would not be able to help your friend get it to work, but I have it installed with space ace and it works fine.
You are right on the money there. I directly talked with one of the developers via mIRC chat just a few minutes ago and they told me that the DaphneX version WILL NOT WORK. They are saying the DaphneX project is separate from them and is "no longer supported". Supposedly the new PC/Mac version (Daphne 1.0) all you have to do is have a Bluth series Digital Leisure DVD of Dragon's Lair (or the other games in the series) and it will 'unlock' a download feature right from the Daphne website and it will load all the needed video data right to your hard drive.
Well, to tell you the truth it sure does SOUND easy to me. Since my friend is aiming for a cabinet...perhaps he is better off with a Mac or PC. But for myself...yeah, it would be cool to get it going if it isn't too much trouble. After all, I didn't care for the game when it came out in the 80's. But it is just to satisfy that curiosity as to what that game would look like on my big screen projector.
Oh! BTW, I had a laugh when I went to Amazon to read the reviews on the Dragon's Lair DVD's.
This is from Jon Folkers Amazon review And I quote!
"This game was a revolution back in 1983 when it launched in arcades. It was simply stunning to see branching digital video in this pseudo-interactive form back then. The novelty wore off quickly when the game's high price and limited replay value came through, though. At fifty cents a play, it was a better deal to watch someone else suffer through the trial-and-error gameplay while you watched the beautiful video."
I COMPLETELY agree! Naturally if I get this set up to demonstrate for my friend. HE is going to play it, not me! LOL! That made my day reading that!
Note to those of you out there: If you are reading this and want to chirp in and say Space Ace doesn't work on the DaphneX PM me and I will be able to help. I found out why it screws up in the middle of the game, and runs now without errors. ;D
Does this also apply to getting Dragon's Lair to work?
You need to use xbpartitioner 1.1 (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=654602) to format those drives up to 1TB. Note your Evox bios needs to be upgraded. I could not find any PATA drives more than 750gb. The SATA -> PATA method is not without issues.
I have no intention of installing a drive THAT big. I would say that I probably would hover around the 200gig to 500gig range. You need the partitioner for those?
Ok, while this is still on the topic of modding an Xbox. What would I have to do differently (software wise) from when I modded my first Xbox.
CoinOPS skins..... hmmm why? Anyways I found several that might be of interest. I don't know what issues you might run into with 720p. Look in your XBMC XML configs to see what the screen sizes are set to and use as a templete. The skins will be different per resolution.
Well, if it is that much of a big issue, then I am not going to go too crazy. Overall I just want the original 'orange' "CoinOPS" lettering. I would be fine with that. I did place a message on the 1Emulation.com forum board about that, so I will report my findings back here.
I think really the main thing I am asking about skins is because I KNOW one day I probably will want to create a "vertical only" cabinet and I would want CoinOPS to boot directly to a vertical screen.
I just have to find those xbox friendly cocktail cabinet plans to get all the :censored: wires, consoles and etc. put away.
That is what I find so nice about the Xbox, much much less wiring to deal with, especially if you have to pull the box out for updates for hardware changes.
BTW: check your PM :).
Thanx,
Geo
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No Dragon's Lair and virtually any laserdisc game out there covered by Daphne works.
Just be sure you have bought the Bluth DVD and not downloaded a rip off the internet as the crap rips do not work in DaphneX.
Its a process that is a learning curve and you get the chance to play DL. The daphne guys have it right, but you need to have a retail DVD before you get the mpeg capture from the laserdisc as the Daphne guys advise. Anyother titles than except Bluth & Cliff Hanger should be fair play :lol
If you do buy the DVD get the HD version as the colors are better. I say this in case you opt for the DVD rip (more complex).
If you get stuck - just ask.
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No Dragon's Lair and virtually any laserdisc game out there covered by Daphne works.
Just be sure you have bought the Bluth DVD and not downloaded a rip off the internet as the crap rips do not work in DaphneX.
This is what the Daphne guys told me to get:
http://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Lair/dp/B000053ZVG/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I21D678GZGKYJT&colid=2PZFUWB7KZL6V (http://www.amazon.com/Dragons-Lair/dp/B000053ZVG/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I21D678GZGKYJT&colid=2PZFUWB7KZL6V)
or I could get the 3 DVD 20th Anniversary set (not the single disc version).
Its a process that is a learning curve and you get the chance to play DL. The daphne guys have it right, but you need to have a retail DVD before you get the mpeg capture from the laserdisc as the Daphne guys advise. Anyother titles than except Bluth & Cliff Hanger should be fair play :lol
Yes, that I know. That was one of the first things that came up in the Daphne forum.
If you do buy the DVD get the HD version as the colors are better. I say this in case you opt for the DVD rip (more complex).
Supposedly you don't have to do any kind of ripping. The developers at Daphne say that the new 1.0 version will automatically download the correct version of Dragon's Lair that you need. You don't need the DVD to PLAY the game through Daphne...you just need it to verify that you did indeed purchase a copy of the game. It is basically Daphne's way of keeping everything 'legal'.
If you get stuck - just ask.
Will do! But I think it would be better to create a new post because now this is going far off topic. For now I am going to leave it at testing with the PC version and I will order the disc from Amazon. When I get the disc I am going to create a new post here for it because it would be unfair to those who read this and this discussion was mainly for modding the Xbox. That was my bad for continuing the discussion here. But for now I guess we can keep in touch via PM's on the topic of Dragon's Lair and Daphne. Once I get everything tested then I will come back here with a new post.
Thanx,
Geo
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Well, I had some time so I tinkered with my setup. I was able to figure out where the UnleashedX dash had gone to...apparantly it installed directly on the E: drive, instead of in a dash folder. I now have XBMC back as my dash, and I learned a bit about how the XBOX functions.
Played a few games on the Coin Ops Reignite...fun stuff, some old puzzle games had me hooked. Can't wait to get this in the Arcade cabinet. I am undecided about how to handle the frontend...I kind of like the jukebox option, and I could put some nice sound in that cabinet...tons of room. I hate to narrow it down to just Arcade games and waste the 200GB of space.
One thing I did notice...I only get a preview picture for I think 1 game...is there a good place to get artwork?
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I found this site (http://fancyxbox.info/index.php) that caters for the very thing. Also the guy/gal who runs it was kind enough to donate their work too.
Lots of help on this site and NO ROMS! :lol
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Well, I had some time so I tinkered with my setup. I was able to figure out where the UnleashedX dash had gone to...apparantly it installed directly on the E: drive, instead of in a dash folder. I now have XBMC back as my dash, and I learned a bit about how the XBOX functions.
Well, on a soft mod, I don't know how you would set up the paths. But within EVTool (for a chip mod) you can specify the paths. Using the Auto Installer Disk dashboards are set up directly in a path that reflects this layout: <E:\(name of dashboard)\default.xbe>. If you select to install as an application then the path would be <E:\Apps\(name of program)\default.xbe. Naturally it goes without saying NOT to specify the "Apps" folder in a boot path.
The way I set up my boot paths are as follows:
1- E:\DASH\(install or put shortcut here for dashboard or application here, this section needs to "see" the default.xbe file
2- E:\XBMC\default.xbe (Obviously my main Dashboard goes here, when I am not using DASH above)
3- E:\UnleashX\default.xbe (I have not tried UnleashX as of yet, but if I wanted to get to this third option, just change the main directory from E:\XBMC\ to something else like E:\XBM\ temporarily. Then with nothing in both BIOS pointers for #1 and #2 above, it will look for #3 which is set to UnleashX.
In my case for E:\Dash\default.xbe what I have done is to use this slot for direct booting of any application (or dashboard). You could even install the dashboard as an application and STILL Boot to it. The key to doing so is using a program called XBE.Shortcut.Maker.1.0. It is a very easy to use program and it allows you to create a link or shortcut to any "default.xbe" file on your Xbox. Hence you can set up CoinOPs to directly launch from the #1 position above. So it would bypass XBMC completely and go right to the CoinOPs interface...which I must say is totally awesome! Once I tested it to work, I renamed my Dash folder so I can get back into XBMC.
Now the key to going back is that you need your Auto Installer Disk (or Slayers) to boot up and get into the file manager to edit the folder so it is not recognized by the Bios.
Whatever you do NEVER alter any setting that says DVD D:\default.xbe If you do you will NEVER be able access the Xbox via the DVD.
Here is the main forum for CoinOPS:
http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showforum=58 (http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showforum=58)
I believe the creator of the program runs under the screen name "CoinOPS COMBUSTION", otherwise known as BritanysPAIRS (please don't laugh). "Combustion" is the latest project under construction for CoinOPS:
http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31794 (http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31794)
Played a few games on the Coin Ops Reignite...fun stuff, some old puzzle games had me hooked. Can't wait to get this in the Arcade cabinet. I am undecided about how to handle the frontend...I kind of like the jukebox option, and I could put some nice sound in that cabinet...tons of room. I hate to narrow it down to just Arcade games and waste the 200GB of space.
Heh, heh...you want a front end? Check this out:
http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1 (http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1)
I put up a post about changing CoinOPs skins in the 1Emulation forum yesterday and one fellow came up with a video link to that above. Thus far though he hasn't replied when I asked him what the front end is. You can see my post in 1Emulation...I use the same screen name as here.
One thing I did notice...I only get a preview picture for I think 1 game...is there a good place to get artwork?
Well, yeah, you select your came on the list and then you either get a static screen shot or even a video of the game in action. CoinOPS Reignite Showcase is made especially for video clips. I believe it is Reignite R5 but it comes with all the video clips. It is a HUGE 8 gig download and it certainly will not fit on my HDD. For my Xbox I am going to have to be content with static shots. Overall I am fine with that as all I really need is a good front end that I can make a selection from. CoinOPS does that. The only issue right now I have with CoinOPS is that skin editing isn't very easy to do, but color changing is, so I am just going to stick with the skin as is and change the color. But I can see this biting me in the butt later on. The reason I say that is because, what if I want to create a vertical only cabinet? Yeah. CoinOPS will play vertical games (correctly oriented) but the interface isn't vertical. There is a discussion about this as we speak over in the 1Emulation forum. I didn't fully read it as of yet because it was 1:00am last night and I was seriously nodding off at my machine!
Anyway, if you have been following, you would have read that I bought a second Xbox two nights ago. This one is going to be my XBMC box and I am right now faced with the potentially scary venture of updating the hard drive. I have a fellow that works on my company computers and he had LOADS of extra hard drives, so I am probably going to buy a 300+ gig drive from him. But I still have to "chip it" first. Good thing I bought TWO chips when I ordered them that time.
Well, just visit those links I posted up, you are going to be doing A LOT of reading, my friend! There is a bunch of good info in those CoinOPS forums.
I found this site (http://fancyxbox.info/index.php) that caters for the very thing. Also the guy/gal who runs it was kind enough to donate their work too.
Lots of help on this site and NO ROMS! :lol
Hello Ark_ader. I got your PM with that link above, but like I said to Tightwad above, I just got to a point where I was nodding off at my machine and HAD to go to bed!
Anyway, while that link is brought up here, I wanted to ask you that they don't look like skins, but rather, cabinet art (even though the link does say skins). I don't understand how I would use those as a skin because even if they are used as an underlay you would have difficulty reading the lists. Also another issue is that CoinOPS uses the screenshot as the underlay. Did you mean that you could use one of those skins to replace the "XBOX" start up? If so, I am not too concerned about that...in fact I do LIKE the Xbox start up animation. But in a cabinet scenario, one would only see that upon start up. As you know CoinOPS does play music in the background much like MALA does. (I use MALA as my front end on my Windows machines and I use Wah-Cade for my front end on Linux machines). I will say though that as of now, I like the Xbox setup way better than anything I have put together in Windows or Linux. It just looks "pro". There is nothing to try to 'hide' as well. In both Windows and Linux I always had to contend with trying to get rid of the desktop interface AND the dreaded mouse pointer. These are things you DON'T want to see in an arcade game setup (I don't want to see it in a multimedia setup either).
The best part is that my local Play N Trade sells original Xbox's for $35. I mean really it is a no brainer to mod one of these boxes for arcade cabinet use.
Anyway, I am going to put an Amazon order in soon because I have to get that Dragon's Lair disc and I want to buy the NAS box in which you put the hard drives into it.
Oh! BTW, I remember when you mentioned that wireless bridge thing? I am interested in learning more about that, would you happen to have a link? I would like to put the new Xbox I am modding on wireless. Also do you have the links to get DaphneX to work?
Thanx,
Geo
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Any AP (http://www.airlink101.com/products/ap421w.php)that can be configured to be used as a client should suffice.
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Any AP (http://www.airlink101.com/products/ap421w.php)that can be configured to be used as a client should suffice.
Ok, so basically that will plug into the ethernet port instead of going into USB as most WiFI devices do? I guess that will then communicate with a standard wireless router, correct?
As of now I am almost done with getting the roms ready for CoinOPS and tomorrow I should get all my artwork over to the Xbox. I also went out and got a 350gig IDE HDD from my computer guy...so that will go into the second Xbox I have.
Other than that, not too many updates for tonight. I am also still gathering all the info from this experience to create that updated guide.
I am hoping in another week or so I can start to plan the control panel.
Geo
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Actually a router rigged as a client wouldn't work except to share internet, because it would make it's own NAT table and the Xbox is on that.
What you want is something that will act as a wireless BRIDGE (Like a network switch, but linked to the main router wirelessly instead). The offical wifi adpator for Xbox1 was just a wireless bridge and any other piece of hardware that will bridge will do just fine.
But using a device as a straight up client won't work right for LAN access.
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I think routers that can be flashed with WRT-DD or Tomato can be set to bridge mode. So if you've already got a router you hoped to use, you might check to see if it's compatible with one of those firmwares.
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I think routers that can be flashed with WRT-DD or Tomato can be set to bridge mode. So if you've already got a router you hoped to use, you might check to see if it's compatible with one of those firmwares.
It's also important to have a router that supports bridges in the first place. I've seen some that won't let other routers bridge to them, one that did support it but would crash every 30mins when my DD-WRT router was bridged to it. When doing bridging since (Don't do it often) I just use DD-WRT routers for all units. Also nice to have the same interface on each one.
But there's also the cheapest option. Like 50 feet of ethernet cable. :P
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What you want is something that will act as a wireless BRIDGE (Like a network switch, but linked to the main router wirelessly instead). The offical wifi adpator for Xbox1 was just a wireless bridge and any other piece of hardware that will bridge will do just fine.
Yes, that is what the guys were saying when I first mentioned wireless, to use a Wireless Bridge, but I am very new to the whole wireless WiFi thing. But I know it is something I NEED to get into because I want to set up my home network to accept WiFi because I want to get a laptop for my wife so she can go on the computer while she is watching the kids. So naturally with the investment of a wireless router on the horizon, I thought it would be a good idea to to put the Xbox on wireless as well. Doing that I could set up my network system with a NAS and could have the Xbox access it for "movie house nights". If you been following this thread, that basically means the nights I set up my big screen video projector. The system is huge so I don't leave it set up, thus being 'portable' I got the idea to replace the current computer that is 'running the show' with an Xbox on XBMC.
I think routers that can be flashed with WRT-DD or Tomato can be set to bridge mode. So if you've already got a router you hoped to use, you might check to see if it's compatible with one of those firmwares.
Well, I have a Linksys router right now, but it isn't wireless. My intentions are to buy this:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/dp/B000BTL0OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267796830&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/dp/B000BTL0OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267796830&sr=8-1)
I chose this one primarily because it is like the router I have now and it is also compatible with Linux as my computer can do both Linux and Windows XP (I have a double boot system) and my wife's computer has only Windows XP. The laptop I am going to buy will be Windows XP, and eventually down the road I would like to get a MacIntosh laptop for myself (I never had a Mac before, so I want to try one out).
So naturally with just about every other format under the moon on my network, I do need quite a bit of compatibility.
It's also important to have a router that supports bridges in the first place. I've seen some that won't let other routers bridge to them, one that did support it but would crash every 30mins when my DD-WRT router was bridged to it. When doing bridging since (Don't do it often) I just use DD-WRT routers for all units. Also nice to have the same interface on each one.
Well, that is where I need the help. Would my Linksys Wireless router pick above work?
But there's also the cheapest option. Like 50 feet of ethernet cable. :P
No that wouldn't work because when it gets warmer, I would like to take my "movie nights" outside in the backyard and I certainly would need more than 50 feet of cable to do that (more like 75 to 100ft). Even now running a wire up to the living room would be a massive pain the neck. So my only options would be a wireless internet link or a big hard drive in the Xbox and I would just have to manually connect the Xbox when I change my programming.
However, even with a big hard drive, I still would like to be able to get onto a wireless internet connection so I could access all those great on-line features of XBMC.
Thanx,
Geo
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I too plan to get my Xbox on wireless via a bridge. I have a router I installed DD-WRT on, which I am currently using for FTP purposes from a nearby computer. I haven’t yet figured out the Bridge part of it….I get messed up with which router should be assigning IP addresses and such. It will be easier if I am not using the router as a wireless router as well, which was my initial intention (extending my wireless range with it for the computers in the living room).
Having it on a wireless bridge will be helpful when it is in a cabinet, if I want to use it to watch movies…no reason they can’t since I am using a 27” TV screen in the Cab as well. I haven’t even touched that part of XBMC yet, so far it has just been about the games.
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I too plan to get my Xbox on wireless via a bridge. I have a router I installed DD-WRT on, which I am currently using for FTP purposes from a nearby computer.
Is this DD-WRT what you need for the bridge? Remember I don't know ANYTHING about wireless, except that it exists.
I haven’t yet figured out the Bridge part of it….I get messed up with which router should be assigning IP addresses and such. It will be easier if I am not using the router as a wireless router as well, which was my initial intention (extending my wireless range with it for the computers in the living room).
You are using a REGULAR router instead of a wireless one? Is that possible?
Having it on a wireless bridge will be helpful when it is in a cabinet, if I want to use it to watch movies…no reason they can’t since I am using a 27” TV screen in the Cab as well. I haven’t even touched that part of XBMC yet, so far it has just been about the games.
Well the good thing about wireless IN a cabinet is that you don't have do the disc or memory stick shuffle. Just connect and upload your changes. In my case using a memory stick doesn't bother me, but for the XBMC/big screen project, having wireless is almost a necessity. In the summer I would like to take my rig outside where I can put up an even BIGGER screen.
Have to run!
Geo
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I am currently using a wireless router, but just the wired portion...connecting a computer to one port, and the Xbox to another port. There is no internet communication available of course.
As I understand it DD-WRT is a better bios for the router, allows more flexibility.
Additionally, the IP Address can only be assigned by one device, so either the main router can do the assigning, and the bridge just passes the information across, or the second wireless router could do the assigning, but that is where I get lost.
Basic wireless routing is super easy to set up....15 minutes max.
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Actually a router rigged as a client wouldn't work except to share internet, because it would make it's own NAT table and the Xbox is on that.
What you want is something that will act as a wireless BRIDGE (Like a network switch, but linked to the main router wirelessly instead). The offical wifi adpator for Xbox1 was just a wireless bridge and any other piece of hardware that will bridge will do just fine.
But using a device as a straight up client won't work right for LAN access.
This one does and it works perfectly.
There is no DHCP with this just connection to the router direct.
Perhaps you might want to research your comments more before stating facts which are not true. ::)
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This one does and it works perfectly.
There is no DHCP with this just connection to the router direct.
Perhaps you might want to research your comments more before stating facts which are not true. ::)
No, the issue is that your device isn't acting as a client. It's just bridging.
Well, I have a Linksys router right now, but it isn't wireless. My intentions are to buy this:
http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/dp/B000BTL0OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267796830&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WRT54GL-Wireless-G-Broadband-Compatible/dp/B000BTL0OA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1267796830&sr=8-1)
I chose this one primarily because it is like the router I have now and it is also compatible with Linux as my computer can do both Linux and Windows XP (I have a double boot system) and my wife's computer has only Windows XP. The laptop I am going to buy will be Windows XP, and eventually down the road I would like to get a MacIntosh laptop for myself (I never had a Mac before, so I want to try one out).
So naturally with just about every other format under the moon on my network, I do need quite a bit of compatibility.
Well, that is where I need the help. Would my Linksys Wireless router pick above work?
You are confused. That router isn't 'compatible with linux' as in it will work with computers running linux. ALL routers are, it's just a matter of Linux supporting the wireless adaptor in the computer. Wifi itself is standardized outside of the OS afterall. That router RUNS Linux. The L in WRT54GL means 'Linux'. It's firmware is actually linux based. And yes, that model is sold specifically to best support open source firmwares including DD-WRT. I use one myself. You install DD-WRT and your $60 router gets about $600 of features on it. It's also actually easy to use, it uses a nice clean webgui though you could SSH into it and go by command line if you REALLY wanted to. You can set up one DD-WRT router to easily bridge to another. There's even a guide on how to do it in their wiki.
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Maybe some definitions will help:
Router: (http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/r/router.htm) A hardware device designed to take incoming packets, analyzing the packets and then directing them to the appropriate locations, moving the packets to another network, converting the packets to be moved across a different type of network interface, dropping the packets, or performing any other number of other types of actions. To the right is a picture of the Linksys BEFSR11 router and is similar to what most home users would use for their home network.
A router has a lot more capabilities than other network devices such as a hub or a switch that are only able to perform basic network functions. For example, a hub is often used to transfer data between computers or network devices, but does not analyze or do anything with the data it is transferring. Routers however can analyze the data being sent over a network, change how it is packaged and send it to another network or over a different type of network. For example, routers are commonly used in home networks to share a single Internet connection with multiple computers.
Switch: (http://www.computerhope.com/jargon/s/switch.htm) On a network, a switch is a hardware device that filters and forwards packets through the network, but often not capable of much more. The first network device that was added to the Internet was a switch called the IMP, which helped send the first message on October 29, 1969. A network switch is more advanced than a hub but not as advanced as a router.
Wireless Bridge: A wireless bridge takes a device that lacks WiFi (like the Xbox) and connects it to a wireless network. You run an ethernet cable from the Xbox to the bridge; the bridge then connects to a wireless router just like a laptop would. The wireless router then sees the Xbox as though it did have WiFi. Essentially it converts ethernet to WiFi.
When Tightwad says he is just using the wired portion of a router, he means he is just using the built-in switch (the four ports that you can plug computers into so the computers can talk to each other). He is not using the port meant to connect those computers to the internet and he is not using the router's wireless capabilities.
What you need to hook the Xbox to a wireless network is a wireless ethernet bridge like this one (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0024G48VA?tag=betteraddons-20). When you buy a router it can almost certainly not act as a bridge of this sort. Even if it has an option to go in bridge mode, it is talking about something else. However, some routers can be hacked by flashing them with a new firmware (like installing a new operating system on the router). WRT-DD and Tomato are the two firmwares of interest. If you install WRT-DD on your router, I believe it does have the option of turning the router into an ethernet bridge.
I hope this helps. Honestly you might be happier just buying a bridge like the one I linked to. It's $50, but it's 802.11n which means it can stream HD video wirelessly. 802.11g is too slow to stream HD video reliably. Of course, the Xbox won't play true HD video anyway, so 802.11g might be just fine for you. If you don't mind the extra work and research and learning curve, you can save a bit of money by getting an old router and flashing it with WRT-DD or Tomato, but you can save a lot of headache by just buying an off-the-shelf wireless ethernet bridge.
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This one does and it works perfectly.
There is no DHCP with this just connection to the router direct.
Perhaps you might want to research your comments more before stating facts which are not true. ::)
No, the issue is that your device isn't acting as a client. It's just bridging.
Oh really? Please could you show me on the manual where it is bridging?
Bridging requires WDS neither of my wireless routers are WDS compatible.
Sift though the manual by all means but please do not state comments which are false - they are misleading and negative.
http://www.airlink101.com/download/download_links/m-ap431w.pdf (http://www.airlink101.com/download/download_links/m-ap431w.pdf)
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ark_ader, DJ is right. You are wrong. WDS is for bridging two wireless access points together so they seamlessly act as one. Ethernet bridging is what we are talking about here. It is a completely different thing. It's why I said in my post that most routers cannot act as ethernet bridges out of the box, even if they have a "Bridge" option. Because that bridge option is usually talking about bridging two access points together to extend the range of the wireless network.
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ark_ader, DJ is right. You are wrong. WDS is for bridging two wireless access points together so they seamlessly act as one. Ethernet bridging is what we are talking about here. It is a completely different thing. It's why I said in my post that most routers cannot act as ethernet bridges out of the box, even if they have a "Bridge" option. Because that bridge option is usually talking about bridging two access points together to extend the range of the wireless network.
Please supply some reference to your argument Shmokes. I think you and DJ are not understanding how this AP client works.
I submitted a PDF reference of the manual and yes, the AP can connect via WDS, but my ADSL router doesn't support WDS. I have had wireless bridges on my network and at my place of employment so I do know what you are talking about, but unfortunately both of you are missing it completely.
WDS is not industry compliant and is prone to many issues. This AP is very good and works on 5v so you can have it powered remotely. Please just do not make a comment like "you are wrong" without backing it up with some reference as it just looks dumb. ::)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System)
WDS has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It is exactly what I said it is. WDS cannot be used to connect an Xbox to a wireless network. It is completely and utterly irrelevant to this conversation. There is no reason to even be talking about it.
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Before people get offended and on other tangents…I am not sure the nomenclature matters really. There seem to be two people currently reading this who are interested in doing it, as the rest already have or have no need to. For myself I don’t care what it is called, as long as I understand how to set it up…not sure there is room in my head for the details, certainly not for non-GUI setups as I am not that smart.
I have an ASUS WL520GC wireless router than I flashed with dd-wrt (tomato cannot be used, whatever that is…). I do like the new interface, and I was planning on using this to extend my wireless network to the other ½ of my house as I have a remote desktop that was getting dropped due to poor reception. I have been unable to get this pairing to work, although I haven’t tried again recently. For now I would be happy if I knew how to set it up to work as a wireless access point for the Xbox (whatever it is called, the name is irrelevant really). Currently I am using it as a switch to connect my wireless desktop machine to the Xbox via a cable.
So much good stuff has come from this thread, including an upcoming “how-to” post, that I would hate to see it derailed by arguments that are mostly irrelevant.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Distribution_System)
WDS has nothing to do with what we are talking about. It is exactly what I said it is. WDS cannot be used to connect an Xbox to a wireless network. It is completely and utterly irrelevant to this conversation. There is no reason to even be talking about it.
Now it is clear you are definitely talking crap. I can connect two Buffalo G54A (have two in storage) that connects not one but TWO Xboxes or whatever I want to the main network through WDS via the Wireless Bridge. The AP in question is not connecting to the network via a bridge.
You have not even read what I typed Shmokes - which is puzzling. :dunno
My only conclusion :troll:
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If you are connecting to the AP with your Buffalo device, isn't that what a "wireless bridge" is?
Technical
WDS can be used to provide two modes of wireless AP-to-AP connectivity:
* Wireless Bridging in which WDS APs communicate only with each other and don't allow wireless clients or Stations (STA) to access them
* Wireless Repeating in which APs communicate with each other and with wireless STAs
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God you're obnoxious ark_ader.
What DJ said is exactly how networking works. If you have a device that can be set up simultaneously as a repeating bridge (WDS) and a wireless ethernet bridge, that's fine for you, but it doesn't help anyone here. Simply setting a router up as a client will normally behave exactly as DJ described. You will create a network within the network and the devices from one will not talk to the devices on the other.
You asked for a reference for my argument. I provided one. You have not explained how the information in my reference does not support to a T exactly what I said. You just respond that I am trolling.
A wireless bridge does not use WDS. You connect a device to it (an Xbox for example) and then it connects to a wireless access point or router, just like a laptop would. What does it need WDS for?
tightwad: I know that it may seem nitpicky or senseless to you, but getting the terminology right is VERY important. Access points, bridges, routers and switches do VERY different things, and mixing them up can lead to an enormous amount of frustration. Using the terms interchangeably is like using the terms circular saw, jigsaw and router (the woodworking kind) interchangeably. At the very least, you will not be able to find tutorials for what you want if you are searching for access point rather than bridge.
Speaking of which, here is a tutorial (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Client_Bridged) for setting up a wireless ethernet bridge if you're using DD-WRT.
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Using the link provided I was able to Bridge my wireless network and hook the Xbox in, I am currently streaming Weird Al to XBMC
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Heh . . . not bad for a troll. :)
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My failures previously were from trying to make it a repeater bridge...
Hardest part was getting the Xbox to use a new IP...what a pain.
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You can alleviate that problem by setting up static IP addresses in the DHCP server on your router. Then Just always leave the Xbox set to get an IP address automatically from the DHCP server. That way any time you want to change the Xbox's IP address you can just go into the DHCP page of your router and tell it to hand the Xbox a different address. Plus, this way if you take your Xbox to a friend's house or something it will pick up a new address rather than potentially causing an IP conflict on his network.
You should really set up all your devices this way. It saves SOOO much headache down the road. For example, many network devices like printers can only be accessed through a web interface. If you set a static IP within the printer, and then, say, your router breaks and you replace it with one that uses a default address of 192.168.1.1 and your old one was 192.168.0.1. If you go along with it and get your network all set up you will find that you cannot print. But what's worse, there is no way for you to get into the printer's web interface now to change its IP address. You have to now go into the router and change all the addresses back to 192.168.0.x.
Plus it's just nice to have a single point of administration for all network addressing on the network.
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I wasn't successful getting the Xbox to pick up via DHCP, but then I didn't try too hard. Originally I needed to get something to work with FTP, but now with the Bridge I needed a new IP. My main router uses 192.168.200.1 as a starting point, so my Bridge is set to 200.100. I will burn the bridge of IP conflicts etc when I get there...
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God you're obnoxious ark_ader.
What DJ said is exactly how networking works. If you have a device that can be set up simultaneously as a repeating bridge (WDS) and a wireless ethernet bridge, that's fine for you, but it doesn't help anyone here. Simply setting a router up as a client will normally behave exactly as DJ described. You will create a network within the network and the devices from one will not talk to the devices on the other.
You asked for a reference for my argument. I provided one. You have not explained how the information in my reference does not support to a T exactly what I said. You just respond that I am trolling.
A wireless bridge does not use WDS. You connect a device to it (an Xbox for example) and then it connects to a wireless access point or router, just like a laptop would. What does it need WDS for?
:banghead:
tightwad: I know that it may seem nitpicky or senseless to you, but getting the terminology right is VERY important. Access points, bridges, routers and switches do VERY different things, and mixing them up can lead to an enormous amount of frustration. Using the terms interchangeably is like using the terms circular saw, jigsaw and router (the woodworking kind) interchangeably. At the very least, you will not be able to find tutorials for what you want if you are searching for access point rather than bridge.
Speaking of which, here is a tutorial (http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Client_Bridged) for setting up a wireless ethernet bridge if you're using DD-WRT.
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Ark also didn't mention anything about WDS in his post, he said a client. And you can set routers to do that even DD-WRT routers can link to a wireless network as a client and run their own NAT through DHCP. But then the wireless is JUST an internet source. It's the same thing as a laptop connected to a wireless router, then running Internet Connection Sharing on it through the wired ethernet port just in a smaller box.
WDS -can- to bridging like necessary but it's inefficent and poorly supported as Ark said.
His major failing is that he doesn't understand that you can also do straight up ethernet bridging. That IS what the offical Xbox1 wifi adaptor is and that is ALSO what all the third party Xbox 360 wifi adaptors that link to the ethernet port is. They are just wireless bridges and will infact work on ANY wired ethernet device.
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Ark also didn't mention anything about WDS in his post, he said a client. And you can set routers to do that even DD-WRT routers can link to a wireless network as a client and run their own NAT through DHCP. But then the wireless is JUST an internet source. It's the same thing as a laptop connected to a wireless router, then running Internet Connection Sharing on it through the wired ethernet port just in a smaller box.
WDS -can- to bridging like necessary but it's inefficent and poorly supported as Ark said.
His major failing is that he doesn't understand that you can also do straight up ethernet bridging. That IS what the offical Xbox1 wifi adaptor is and that is ALSO what all the third party Xbox 360 wifi adaptors that link to the ethernet port is. They are just wireless bridges and will infact work on ANY wired ethernet device.
But this device does not have its own NAT - it is a device that just connects to any available wireless connection. You supply the address.
If you read the PDF of the device then you and Shmokes would understand.
Anyway, it is moot now.
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But this device does not have its own NAT - it is a device that just connects to any available wireless connection. You supply the address.
If you read the PDF of the device then you and Shmokes would understand.
Yes and that isn't a 'Client' as you called it, that's just a wireless ethernet bridge. It's funny how you've abandoned this WDS nonsense suddenly.
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But this device does not have its own NAT - it is a device that just connects to any available wireless connection. You supply the address.
If you read the PDF of the device then you and Shmokes would understand.
Yes and that isn't a 'Client' as you called it, that's just a wireless ethernet bridge. It's funny how you've abandoned this WDS nonsense suddenly.
I haven't you just have a problem reading my posts.
Besides this a good thread for Xbox information - it is a shame you and Smokes come in and try to ruin it. ::)
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Agreed. Like by providing tightwad with the information he used to finally get his xbox talking over his wireless network. Sometimes I hate me so much.
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I haven't you just have a problem reading my posts.
Besides this a good thread for Xbox information - it is a shame you and Smokes come in and try to ruin it. ::)
Your self pity doesn't interest me, you provided incorrect information and we corrected you. It's as simple as that.
Even earlier in this thread you were argueing that you couldn't do softmode a 1.6 Xbox or do VGA output on any soft modded Xbox and lost that one too. This isn't the first time either. You routinely post incorrect information and then fight being corrected. You can't just seem to go 'Oops, my bad'.
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Hello all,
Wow! I was gone for one weekend and all of a sudden this board blew up!
Using the link provided I was able to Bridge my wireless network and hook the Xbox in, I am currently streaming Weird Al to XBMC
I am happy to hear that you did manage to get your Xbox on wireless...now you are a step ahead of me again!
At any rate, I will say that before you mentioned you got it going I just became totally confused and now I am wondering if the new wireless Belkin router I bought will even DO what I want.
Shmokes, I did look over the document very quickly, but it looks 'involved' so I will read it in depth later on. I am happy to hear that the document has worked for Tightwad.
And guys...the information is relevant even though things did get a bit out of sorts. While I am not taking sides here, I will say though that Ark_Ader has been a tremendous help in assisting me in getting my Xbox going and thus-far has been rock solid and always here. I have not been steered wrong with the information he has provided. He pretty much helped out when Crash was busy IRL with his move. Since this is an area I know nothing about (wireless) I am not one to judge in regards to the comments above. Also, I don't think anyone is trolling here. It is just a miss-communication and that is all. I just hope that it has been straightened out now and we can get along and keep moving forward (gee THAT sounds familiar!) I really don't want to see people getting angry and leave the thread. As it is this turned out to be one good monster of a thread and everyone has contributed greatly to it. But I will make a consolidation of it once I get everything all running properly. I will do that step by step, when I mod the next Xbox since I do want to include the information in regards to changing the hard drive as well.
So don't worry if this got messed up a bit, as I am guilty of that myself when I started to talk about Dragon's Lair, which really isn't relevant here. (I did it twice really as this thread originally started out as a thread to list good console ports of arcade games. It was just that once I found out the Xbox could do Mame, I dropped the original course of the thread). We did go on several tangents here but that is the learning process. I guess in the end most of it does tie together. The biggest problem is that Xbox-Scene is horribly out of date and many links are broken, so at least here in BYOAC we NEED something up to date. Now that I have the Xbox running with CoinOPs I am quickly realizing that this is a tremendous time saver in setting up smaller cabinets with Mame. (It is also very cheap method with most Xbox's now selling for $50 or less). So I will just consolidate everything down the road. But I think having a 'rider' that instructs how to set up the Xbox via a wireless router is important AND very much relevant, as the current trend is now pointing towards wireless networking systems.
Ok, now getting back on course. Within all the confusion and in the meantime, I was wondering if Microsoft made something wireless for the Xbox. Low and behold, they do:
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Wireless-Network-Adapter-MN740/dp/B00005QBX9/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1268057813&sr=8-3 (http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-Wireless-Network-Adapter-MN740/dp/B00005QBX9/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1268057813&sr=8-3)
It does have many positive reviews, but one thing that isn't clear is if it works with a MODDED Xbox. That would be something that I would like to find out for sure because at $90 that is a considerable expense. (I probably will have to find one on Ebay to get it cheaper).
I will come back when I have the exact model number of the new router. And if you guys could let me know if it will work or not, because if it doesn't then I have to take it back.
Oh! Yes, I was educated by a somewhat knowledgeable person at Walmart and he did steer me away from Wireless 'G' which is what the Linksys router was I pointed out here earlier. He turned me on to Wireless "N" and that is what I picked up.
Thanx,
Geo
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I was wondering if Microsoft made something wireless for the Xbox. Low and behold, they do:
You probably missed my link to this on the previous page. It was small. Anyway, don't buy that Microsoft thing. This is the same thing that isn't Xbox branded and it costs almost half as much. (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0024G48VA?tag=betteraddons-20)
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You probably missed my link to this on the previous page. It was small. Anyway, don't buy that Microsoft thing. This is the same thing that isn't Xbox branded and it costs almost half as much. (http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B0024G48VA?tag=betteraddons-20)
Oh, OK. Just figured I would pass it by here first.
At any rate, I got the information on the router I got at Walmart:
http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Wireless-N-4-Port-Router/dp/tech-data/B001CNCQO2/ref=de_a_smtd (http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Wireless-N-4-Port-Router/dp/tech-data/B001CNCQO2/ref=de_a_smtd)
Would this allow the Xbox to connect to it?
When I was at Walmart the guy did say to forget about the 'G' routers as they are only good for 'surfing' the net and 'N' was more suited for video streams. I mainly bought the router because I am looking into a laptop for my wife. With taking care of the kids being a massive time eater, my wife wanted a computer she could take 'around the house'. So that was the main reason to go wireless, but while it is there I may as well try to tap the Xbox into it.
Thanx,
Geo
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Unless you're gonna be streaming Blu-Rays at their full bitrate, Wireless G would be enough. :P Wireless G can push about 15mbps or so, you're average SDTV XviD encode is about 1mbps-2mbps. ^^;
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Nah . . . it's good you went with N. When I was on G I ran into problems sometimes with streaming video, and streaming HD video was out of the question. Maybe if my Xbox had been closer to the router it would be no problem, but it was a problem. And file transfers, my god, file transfers are SOOOO much faster now. Plus, while you may not be streaming Blu-Ray today, you never know what you'll be doing 2 years from now. I think buying G right now doesn't make a lot of sense considering how inexpensively you can buy N.
With that said, I'm not entirely sure how to answer you question cos I haven't read this whole thread and don't know what you want to use this router for. If you want to hook this router directly to the Xbox so the Xbox can connect to an existing wireless network, then no, you can't do that (unless the firmware of this router can be replaced with DD-WRT or Tomato). If you want to use this router to create a wireless network in your home, which the Xbox will then connect to using a wireless bridge such as the one linked to in my previous post or that Xbox branded one you linked to, then yes, it would work perfectly well for that.
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Unless you're gonna be streaming Blu-Rays at their full bitrate, Wireless G would be enough. :P Wireless G can push about 15mbps or so, you're average SDTV XviD encode is about 1mbps-2mbps. ^^;
Yeah, I wasn't thinking of Blu-Ray, but I don't have that anyway. Basically the guy showed me all sorts of booklets and charts showing how much "N" is better than G. There was even mention of N+, but he told me that those systems are very expensive right now and for what I want to do, "N" will have me covered. So I went with the "N". I figured Belkin is a top brand in communications and I was happy with products I bought from them in the past.
Nah . . . it's good you went with N. When I was on G I ran into problems sometimes with streaming video, and streaming HD video was out of the question. Maybe if my Xbox had been closer to the router it would be no problem, but it was a problem. And file transfers, my god, file transfers are SOOOO much faster now. Plus, while you may not be streaming Blu-Ray today, you never know what you'll be doing 2 years from now. I think buying G right now doesn't make a lot of sense considering how inexpensively you can buy N.
Well, I did go one step up on the N. I have standard "N" and not the cheaper "N-150". Also the laptop I am considering for my wife also has an "N" wireless connection. So it did make sense to keep it all "N".
With that said, I'm not entirely sure how to answer you question cos I haven't read this whole thread and don't know what you want to use this router for.
Well you don't have to, in terms of wireless you came in at the right time. Prior to now what was mostly discussed was modifying an Xbox so that it could do Mame and also XBMC (which supports emulators). Since that goal has been achieved, the discussion has shifted to a wireless connection. I still consider it relevant to modding an Xbox, because if an Xbox is installed into an arcade cabinet, the cabinet may be located where connection to a computer isn't convenient via a wired route. With the Xbox, the best way to get data in/out of it is through the ethernet connection.
If you want to hook this router directly to the Xbox so the Xbox can connect to an existing wireless network, then no, you can't do that (unless the firmware of this router can be replaced with DD-WRT or Tomato). If you want to use this router to create a wireless network in your home, which the Xbox will then connect to using a wireless bridge such as the one linked to in my previous post or that Xbox branded one you linked to, then yes, it would work perfectly well for that.
As of now I only have a hardwired network. I have two computers that connect to a WIRED Linksys router, which in turn connects to a cable modem. So as it stands everything is wired with ethernet connections. What I would like to do is remove the Linksys wired router and install the Belkin WIRELESS router in it's place. Now the Belkin router, in addition to wireless, also has four ethernet ports. My two wired computers will connect to those ports just as they have done with the Linksys router. So nothing changes in terms of the connections those two computers make. They still will be wired connections.
Wireless comes into play because I plan a future purchase of an Acer laptop computer which has built in Wifi capability and that will connect to the network via wireless (this is really the main reason I am setting up wireless on my home network). Lastly I want the Xbox to communicate wireless as well (once I have it, why not connect to it without wires!)
Hopefully that will explain more clearly as to what I have now and what I would like to do.
Thanx,
Geo
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Yeah, then the router you have is exactly what you want. Whenever it comes time to hook the Xbox to the wireless network just pick up a wireless ethernet bridge like the one linked to in my earlier post.
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Yeah, then the router you have is exactly what you want. Whenever it comes time to hook the Xbox to the wireless network just pick up a wireless ethernet bridge like the one linked to in my earlier post.
Ok, that sounds cool.
Now for the ethernet bridge, is there anything 'special' I have to do to get it going on the end of the Xbox? Does it need any kind of special software? A driver perhaps?
Thanx,
Geo
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Asside from configuring it with your wireless info, no, they're pretty 'stupid' as far as setup is.
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Now for the ethernet bridge, is there anything 'special' I have to do to get it going on the end of the Xbox? Does it need any kind of special software? A driver perhaps?
Thanx,
Geo
Asside from configuring it with your wireless info, no, they're pretty 'stupid' as far as setup is.
More specifically... You'll attach the wireless ethernet bridge to your wired network, log into the bridge's interface (via a web browser no doubt) and enter the configuration to match your wireless network. Once you've done that it will be configured so you'll attach it to the XBOX. The XBOX will have no knowledge of the wireless bridge and will believe it is connected to your network with a wire.
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Deleted, double post by mistake.
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Asside from configuring it with your wireless info, no, they're pretty 'stupid' as far as setup is.
More specifically... You'll attach the wireless ethernet bridge to your wired network, log into the bridge's interface (via a web browser no doubt) and enter the configuration to match your wireless network. Once you've done that it will be configured so you'll attach it to the XBOX. The XBOX will have no knowledge of the wireless bridge and will believe it is connected to your network with a wire.
Crashhhhhh! Welcome back! Ok, sounds pretty straight forward, which is a welcome sigh of relief after the long task prior (Bios Flashing, setting up, etc). So it looks like I will be getting that TRENDnet unit down the road for the second Xbox I am working on.
As of now I am STILL going through my roms (going alphabetical I am up to the "T"'s). Basically I am removing anything that is too large that I know my guests and myself will not play that much. But mainly since Ark_Ader mentions that analog controls are 'sketchy' in CoinOPs, I am going to move those games to another folder to effectively keep them out of the main list. I am really hoping that this does get fixed at least offer trackball and spinner support. Certain games you just can't play without their correct controls...(however, I DO admit that I CAN play most spinner games with a trackball instead of a spinner (lately I actually prefer playing Tempest with a trackball)).
I am finding though that some driving games that have simple left/right movements (ie. Super Sprint) can actually be played via the keyboard (digitally). It isn't elegant, but it can be done. But games like Outrun and Spy Hunter are out of the question...they NEED the analog controls. Certain games such as Lunar Lander actually have two ways to configure it so you CAN play it with analog or digital controls.
Sidebar: If you guys want it, I can make a list of what "analog" games are playable and what is not with all the controls mapped digitally. Naturally it will not be a complete list, but I have most of the 'classic' game roms anyway. I don't have too much of the new stuff because when it comes to arcade games, I am (for the most part) "retro". I started to loose interest in the arcade games in the early 90's. I have noticed that game creativity and ingenuity have declined rapidly after the "Golden Age" of the video game (Early to mid 80's). Most of the later games seem to all fall into these categories: Vertical Shooter, Side Scrolling Shooter, "Street Fighter" style games, driving games. Naturally I don't have many of these games, as I tire of them quickly. Another benefit to being a 'retro' gamer is that the games can be played on slower systems AND they take up less room as some games were extremely small. (I think Space Invaders is only 7k!!!).
So basically this is what I am going through now. Once I have a set rom list I will dump into the Xbox along with the associated art work.
In the midst of all that, I am going to prep the second Xbox for the XBMC modification. (Ark_Ader, I have decided to put DaphneX on this box since it would take up WAY too much space on the small hard drive that is in the CoinOPs Mame box).
So being the busy beaver I am, I probably will be on hiatus from this forum for a while. I will poke my head in every now and then as I am sure I will have more questions on getting the hard drive ready for the second Xbox. Once that second box is completed, I will be back with a procedure that I can hope to get stickied here. But I have quite a bit of information to go on now and I can start work on that second Xbox.
Mucho Gracias for all the help thusfar. I seriously couldn't have come this far without the BYOAC forums.
Geo
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Hello All,
Just a quick update in regards to XBMC and the playlist function. For the most part it works flawlessly going from clip to clip. The best part was testing a stream. I set up a playlist with about 4 or 5 local video files I moved to Xbox hard drive, and then I streamed to a movie ("E.T. The Extra Terrestrial") on my PC (playing as I am writing this). The video quality is great! If I can get this quality when I set up the Xbox for wireless, I would be extremely happy.
The only caveat is that I had noticed that when you FF, Pause, etc a small display come up with progress bar in the top right corner of the screen. I also noticed that this bar shows for a split second when the streamed movie cued up in the playlist. Now the weird thing is that for the local files, I don't get the display when the videos change from clip to clip.
I would like to know now to disable this feature so that there is NOTHING that shows up on the display. Would anyone know how to turn this off? BTW you can pull up the display manually pushing the 'start' button while the playlist is playing.
But overall the playlist test was successful, I know I can stream to a NAS drive and I could store everything for my movie events on that.
Geo
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Sounds like other than the wireless, Jukingeo is ahead of me...
What kind of Cable Modem do you have? Some of them have built in wireless and you might not even know it.
I am still having problems with the Xbox booting up with a an error 21 or error 13....it sometimes takes a few reboots for it to work. I did check out the XBMC photo slideshow, using photos from another computer, and it works. Same for Audio playback. If I had any videos I would try them, but I don't.
On a related note, I picked up a "Smart Joy Frag" keyboard/mouse adapter. I was then able to play Arkanoid with my homebuilt spinner! Much adjustment (and a better spinner) is needed, but this would allow me to use a keyboard encoder to wire in joysticks and trackball...I just need to figure out how I want to do it for player two as keyboard encoders are expensive and would defeat the purpose of using the Xbox for more than 1 player.
How are others using a trackball with the Xbox?
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Sounds like other than the wireless, Jukingeo is ahead of me...
Hmmm, I don't recall this being a race...BUT! :applaud: (only kidding). But you are also ahead of me in regards to soft modding. I gave up on that really quick because I decided that the cost of the materials to pull off a soft-mod outweighed the costs of a mod-chip. For the most part I think I am going to chip any Xbox I come across, but that will only work if I have 'control' of the situation of purchasing, which I have with Play N Trade. I CAN reject all version 1.6 boxes as those seem to be the most difficult to chip. I am thinking perhaps a soft mod would be better on a 1.6.
What kind of Cable Modem do you have? Some of them have built in wireless and you might not even know it.
No, I know the cable modem I have isn't wireless. My modem is provided by the local cable company and thusfar I have not seen anything like that from them. However, the trouble with JUST the modem on wireless is that I cannot have the wireless device talk to the rest of the network. I think it is better to have the wireless as part of the router so this way I can use the computers to all communicate with each other. For me that will be very much necessary when I get a NAS unit. After last night's streaming experiment, I am very likely to move forward with an NAS system, because I can edit all of my movies on my PC and I don't even have to bother moving them to the Xbox. BUT I had thought of doing a combination playlist, like in my test. I think I will leave the smaller files, such as intros, coming attractions and some short cartoons on the Xbox hard drive. But for larger movies, I would drop them into the NAS and stream them. In this manner I can pick what I normally use for a show and keep that file local. But for the movie event itself I can keep that on the much larger NAS unit. Then I can just mix and match my playlist together in the order of how the events proceed for the evening. It should set up MUCH MUCH faster than what I am doing now with a PC. The good thing is that even if I do an off site show with only the Xbox and it's HDD, it will be the 300gig monster I am planning to put in it...so then (should I choose) it would be all local.
Needless to say, if you haven't figured it out already, I AM having a blast with all of this.
I am still having problems with the Xbox booting up with a an error 21 or error 13....it sometimes takes a few reboots for it to work. I did check out the XBMC photo slideshow, using photos from another computer, and it works. Same for Audio playback. If I had any videos I would try them, but I don't.
You can get videos buy ripping DVD's using a program called DVD Shrink. You can directly rip the main movie file without bringing along all those horrible menus and previews that come on your DVD. But I do have to warn you that movies take up a TON of room. However, I prefer the best quality and I leave the videos in their native .VOB state. But you did one thing I have not done yet, and that is a slide show. I need to learn to do that as well because I would like to incorporate a trivia slideshow as part of a movie pre-show (much like you see in theatres today). Many times I also put together slideshows of my boys too. I mostly use Windows Movie Maker for that purpose, but I will the first to say that Windows Movie Maker sux.
But, man oh man, the stuff you can do with XBMC is great. And I know I am just scratching the tip of the iceberg here.
On a related note, I picked up a "Smart Joy Frag" keyboard/mouse adapter. I was then able to play Arkanoid with my homebuilt spinner! Much adjustment (and a better spinner) is needed, but this would allow me to use a keyboard encoder to wire in joysticks and trackball...I just need to figure out how I want to do it for player two as keyboard encoders are expensive and would defeat the purpose of using the Xbox for more than 1 player.
Wow! That is news! How is it? Is the operation smooth? It is funny as you mention this because right now I am going through all the analog games that are not on the Xbox list of Mame 0.84 games. I wanted to see if I could set them to use digital controls or if they could be controlled nicely via an analog controller. Thusfar my findings are not good. The analog controls are VERY touchy and jumpy as Ark_Ader pointed out. I am really not happy with the analog control at all. Worse is that some Mame games map out to the left and right trigger buttons to control the left/right movement of your player (i.e. Evolution). So that I have to fix. The trouble is, I can't find out how you get into the Mame settings menu. On the PC this would be the Tab key, but I don't know what you have to do on the Xbox.
How are others using a trackball with the Xbox?
Yeah, like I said above, Ark_ader is. But I believe he is having the same troubles I am having.
As it stands right now, what I would like to do is map the game to digital controls to see if it is playable, if it isn't then I am just going to file the game in a separate folder until it is (hopefully) supported via analog controls at a later date.
It is a bummer too because while I CAN play games such as Arkanoid and Tempest with a trackball, because the trackball is also analog, it makes playing a bunch of games useless. I tried Tempest with digital controls and it is awful. Sad to say, I am going to have to file Tempest :cry: Worse...I have not yet got to Star Wars. THAT is one of my mainstays and I have it on EVERY Mame system I have. I would be really bummed out if I couldn't play that game. But again, I been using a trackball.
But any digital game, like Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Asteroids, Defender...they all play well on the Xbox. However, though this project was never meant to be a full complement "play all" Mame cabinet. If it were, I probably would stick to a PC. The point is to try to cram as much hardware as possible into a small tabletop cabinet and I think that is where the Xbox will shine.
Geo
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I have a Smart Joy Frag too (missing the manual) but I cannot get it to work with CoinOPS. It works ok with Linux but I have a USB keyboard and mouse for that. I initially wanted it for Halo as I am a die hard mouse and keyboard FPS player.
The settings for CoinOPS is Back+White, but don't bother as it doesn't save the config. My only suggestion to remedy this is to check the files in CoinOPS. Sometimes these files come off a CDR and they are read-only. Before you FTP, copy them to the hard drive and check to see if the attributes are read only. That might fix it. I'm sure it will be fixed in the next revision, but it wouldn't hurt to ask the developer if there was another way for the spinner/trackball to be mapped. I would check this myself but the Arcade-xbox is without network.. :(
I'm looking at replacing the case for an open mount cabinet build, and swap the PSU for a newer model. If you put in a newer drive don't forget to put in a case fan to cool the whole unit down. ;D
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My Smart Frag worked out of the box. Here is a quick rundown of the directions in case you need them:
Left Stick: WASD
A: Space
B: B
X: X
Y: Y
Left Trigger: L
Right Trigger: R
Left Thumb: Q
Right Thumb: E
White: Caps Lock
Back: Backspace
Start: Enter
D-Pad: Arrow Keys
Programming:
Hold "ESC" key
Press the button to program (ie to change L press L for this step)
Press the destination Key or mouse button
Release the "ESC" key
Saving Changes: "ESC" + F1 to F8
Mouse Controls:
Deadzone:
Esc + 0 - 9 [0=0, 9=9]
Fine Tune with Esc + the + or - button
Invert Mouse Y axis(up/down)
"ESC"+"Page Up"
or
"ESC" + "Pagedown"
Swap move and look: "ESC + "Insert" or "ESC"+"DEL"
Factory Default: "ESC+"CTRL"+"ALT+"DEL"
Game Presets (press Function Key to activate)
F1 = Halo 2
F2 = Medal of Honor
F3 = Chronicles of Riddick
F4 = Counter Strike
F5 = James Bond
F6 = Rainbow Six 3
F7 = Return to Castle Wolfenstein
F8 = Unreal Championship
F11 = Blank Preset (programming from scratch)
F12 = Standard Preset (matches control table)
F12 is the preset list to use for navigation etc
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Thanks man! :applaud:
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I have a Smart Joy Frag too (missing the manual) but I cannot get it to work with CoinOPS. It works ok with Linux but I have a USB keyboard and mouse for that. I initially wanted it for Halo as I am a die hard mouse and keyboard FPS player.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/SmartJoy/ (http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/SmartJoy/)
Hmmmm, that is interesting. At first I didn't know what you guys were talking about, but doing a quick search brought that link up above. Nice! So with that device you can use a keyboard and mouse with the XBox. I mostly would be interested in the mouse support and since both you and Tightwad have this piece I am curious as to how smooth it operates.
I am pretty much coming to the end of the Xbox setup for Mame. I had someone over at 1Emulation.com make me up a new skin which has the traditional Williams Red/Yellow colors and he made me up a new logo to replace the CoinOPS logo with GEO-Mame...also in the traditional Williams colors. We still have to work on the skin colors for the game titles and such, but it is nicely coming around overall.
I have selected all the games I am going to use and I am just weeding out some of the larger ones that I know I am not going to use that often. I also am trying to fix the numerous analog problems I have been running into on games that supported analog functions. Obviously since CoinOPs really wasn't designed for a cabinet, but for use with the Xbox controllers on a 'console' level, just about everything is mapped to the analog sticks. When I hack an Xbox controller for my panel, I would like to avoid dealing with those. So I have been mapping those kinds of games to the D-pad. For the most part digital games map over perfectly and many are already set to both the D-Pad and the left stick. But for analog games, that is where things get sticky. This is where you (Ark_Ader) mentioned you had trouble. With some games no matter how you setup the analog controls, it just doesn't work right. For those games I had no choice but to delete them from the console now. I am going to set those games aside in the event some solution presents itself in the future. So that is why now interested in the SJF as well.
The settings for CoinOPS is Back+White, but don't bother as it doesn't save the config.
Really? It saves the reconfiguration on my Xbox. What version of CoinOPs. I know you mention the Showcase, and I believe that should be on CoinOPS Reignite R5, which is the same version I am using...except I am not using the Showcase with all the videos because I already made the decision to only go with screen shots.
My only suggestion to remedy this is to check the files in CoinOPS. Sometimes these files come off a CDR and they are read-only. Before you FTP, copy them to the hard drive and check to see if the attributes are read only. That might fix it. I'm sure it will be fixed in the next revision, but it wouldn't hurt to ask the developer if there was another way for the spinner/trackball to be mapped. I would check this myself but the Arcade-xbox is without network.. :(
I did read that they are working on another version of CoinOPs called Combustion. It supposed to have many updates including a rotatable display for the interface in the event you want to set up a vertical only cabinet (or use a rotating display). As of now CoinOPs does support game rotation, but not the interface.
I'm looking at replacing the case for an open mount cabinet build, and swap the PSU for a newer model. If you put in a newer drive don't forget to put in a case fan to cool the whole unit down. ;D
I have the Version 1 Xbox and it already has two fans in it. I have noticed that when running for a long time, it barely gets warm, so I don't think it should heat up that much more with a larger drive. BUT I for a cabinet install, I was thinking about that and I know I would certainly put extra fans in the cabinet and/or leave the cover of the Xbox off.
(Sidebar: BTW, I fixed my problem with my Linux partition and I have Daphne installed there. I am just waiting for my Dragon's Lair disk to come in the mail to validate the installation).
My Smart Frag worked out of the box.
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How smooth do the analog controls work with the Smart Frag? As it is I am not too happy the way most of the analog games are handled, but there are some games I did manage to get the settings to work properly. Luckily most of the older games that I am interested ARE working out. I haven't tested everything though.
Where I stand right now is that I was testing roms outside of the version 0.84 to see if they work. The version 0.84 set I have is really incomplete. Happily most of the games outside the set ARE working fine. I am just going to go through the 0.84 set one more time to see if I can remove some more of the larger games as I know once I start dropping in the screenshots I AM going to run close to the max on my hard drive.
Well, back to working on that right now.
Geo
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Hello All,
Just letting everyone know that Xbox Geo Mame is DONE! Well, at least the Xbox side of it is done, I still have to build a control panel and cabinet, but the Xbox for a Mame cabinet is done and I am finished with the first Xbox.
See the attached photo of what one fellow in the 1Emulation.com forum did for me. He made up a new skin that changed the color and also replace the CoinOPs logo with "Geo Mame". Pretty cool huh?
Anyway, over the weekend I painstakingly readjusted all of the "analog" games so that it is very much possible to play driving games and other analog games using a joystick. I know that is blasphemous in all sense of arcade realism, but keep in mind, this is going to be a bar/counter cabinet. If this were a full size cabinet, I would go through the extra effort to create interchangeable control panels.
What I am doing for a control panel is I am going to use a Multi-Williams type setup. Going that route kind of dictated a Mini-Defender looking cabinet with using artwork and the red/yellow colors from the Williams cabinets of that era...hence the reason why my skin is also Red/Yellow.
I am really getting excited about this because the Xbox is working out so well for this project.
As for the second Xbox, I have it with me today at work and I am going to "chip it" on my lunch break. I need to chip it first in order to get the eeprom off of the existing hard drive so I can set up the new larger hard drive.
I am very ecstatic about my preliminary testing in regards to streaming video across my home network. While I certainly have the capacity to do everything local with a 300 gig drive, the thing is that I only want to have local clips that I put regularly together on the hard drive and for my feature films I am going to stream those to my PC (and eventually later on a NAS).
Well, once again, I will be gone for a while as I am going to set up the XBMC Xbox now. However, I am going to document every step and make a write up that I will post here for those that want to chip their boxes.
Once that is completed I AM thinking about getting a third Xbox and that one I will try to soft mod and I will document that as well. But that is WAY down the road.
After I mod the second Xbox with XBMC, I am working on a Dragon's Lair / Daphne project for a friend. We are not going to use an Xbox though. Since his project will eventually go in a cabinet, I made the decision to use a stripped down Ubuntu Linux computer for that.
Just for s---- and giggles when I bought the 2nd Xbox, I also bought Dragon's Lair 3D for the Xbox (for only $5!!!!) and I started it up last night (to test the Xbox too). I must say WOW! You have FULL control over Dirk this time around. Granted the visuals are not arcade perfect, but they sure are close. I am very much tempted to hook this up as is to my big screen TV and play it as is!!
So anyway, that is the scoop and I am happy to say that the first Xbox mod is completed. Enjoy the pix!
Edit: For those keeping tabs, we made this go to 9 pages long and 357 posts...the most (up to now) for the Consoles board. :applaud:
Geo
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As for the second Xbox, I have it with me today at work and I am going to "chip it" on my lunch break. I need to chip it first in order to get the eeprom off of the existing hard drive so I can set up the new larger hard drive.
or you can make a homemade eeprom reader wich is actually easier to make and use then installing a soldered chip but it's your call.
that is how people were selling eeprom contents and how to unban a console you just use your homemade eeprom reader/writer to read and write the info and you dont even need to remove the eeprom off the motherboard for those that did not know.
it's also possile to read right off the mobo itself withut no power running to it but you need to add a battery to your reader/writer if your going to do the motherboards only straight up with no psu case dvd drive or anything else connected to them.
most did not know but when xbox was in it's prime & console's were getting banned all the time that the people with stack's of dead motherboards were getting bought up not to actually repair the motherboards themselve's but instead just leech the eeprom info wich contains the hdd key and the live key wich could be read and then written to a working but banned console to unban the console or unlock the hdd.
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As for the second Xbox, I have it with me today at work and I am going to "chip it" on my lunch break. I need to chip it first in order to get the eeprom off of the existing hard drive so I can set up the new larger hard drive.
or you can make a homemade eeprom reader wich is actually easier to make and use then installing a soldered chip but it's your call.
that is how people were selling eeprom contents and how to unban a console you just use your homemade eeprom reader/writer to read and write the info and you dont even need to remove the eeprom off the motherboard for those that did not know.
it's also possile to read right off the mobo itself withut no power running to it but you need to add a battery to your reader/writer if your going to do the motherboards only straight up with no psu case dvd drive or anything else connected to them.
most did not know but when xbox was in it's prime & console's were getting banned all the time that the people with stack's of dead motherboards were getting bought up not to actually repair the motherboards themselve's but instead just leech the eeprom info wich contains the hdd key and the live key wich could be read and then written to a working but banned console to unban the console or unlock the hdd.
Got a link to that reader? It would come in handy for modding as the mod-chips are becoming harder to find.
Thanks
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http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/357863 (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/357863)
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As for the second Xbox, I have it with me today at work and I am going to "chip it" on my lunch break. I need to chip it first in order to get the eeprom off of the existing hard drive so I can set up the new larger hard drive.
or you can make a homemade eeprom reader wich is actually easier to make and use then installing a soldered chip but it's your call.
Well, I wouldn't classify 'making' a reader easier than installing a mod chip, but for what I want to do I do need a mod chip.
that is how people were selling eeprom contents and how to unban a console you just use your homemade eeprom reader/writer to read and write the info and you dont even need to remove the eeprom off the motherboard for those that did not know.
Using an original Xbox on Live is kind of a moot point right now since almost everything is shifting in favor of the newer Xbox 360.
If you been following at least the latter portion of this thread (from page 5 onward) you can clearly see that my intentions for these original Xbox's are to use them for Mame and other emulators in arcade style cabinets, or use them as Media players (XBMC).
Since Xbox games cost me about $5, I don't have interest in grabbing on-line 'backups' of games to play (even though the updated chip does support it). At that price, I am just better off buying the Xbox game. I have set up both of my Xbox's to allow booting up of the original Xbox dash via pushing the eject button to turn it on. Pushing the power button activates the chip.
For the most part I found the Xbox a nice smaller alternative to using a full size computer. And I have several applications that call for that.
most did not know but when xbox was in it's prime & console's were getting banned all the time that the people with stack's of dead motherboards were getting bought up not to actually repair the motherboards themselve's but instead just leech the eeprom info wich contains the hdd key and the live key wich could be read and then written to a working but banned console to unban the console or unlock the hdd.
Well, I guess that part would be useful and come in handy when supplies of Xbox's run thin. Then reviving some 'dead' ones may be in order.
Geo
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As Apollo 13 famous words spoken:
"Houston, We have a problem".
And that problem lies with XBoxHDM 1.9 (or rather the instructions for it).
I am following these instructions here (which were posted earlier in this thread):
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828 (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/533828)
For the most part, the instructions were great and I was able to do everything right up to a certain point. Take a look at the first picture and that will correspond to where in the instructions I have reached without issue.
Now for the next step in the instructions I am supposed to get the screen that says "XBOX HD MAKER, You have the following options (listed options 1-8)" (second picture). I do not get this screen at all. Instead I get the screen as shown in the last picture. I do not see this screen in the instructions, but I typed "Y" anyway and I get a root prompt. Now I don't know what to do.
Incidentally, I had noticed that the first screen for XboxHDMaker in the instructions shows three initial options, my first screen has four. The extra option is Linux HD locking tools. Right away when I saw this I though I have a different version of XBHDM, but it is the same 1.9 which matches the instructions.
I am wondering if someone else also has run into this problem and what the solution might be. I had consulted the readme files and other document that came with XBHDM when I downloaded it, but nothing mentions the screen I am getting.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Thank You,
Geo
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As I recall I had to reboot and try mine again, and then it worked. Not sure what the reason was, but I had the same screens if I recall.
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I also remember you have to type Yes instead of Y or it didn't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvnO89lRdC0
This might steer you in the right direction. ;D
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As I recall I had to reboot and try mine again, and then it worked. Not sure what the reason was, but I had the same screens if I recall.
I also remember you have to type Yes instead of Y or it didn't work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvnO89lRdC0
This might steer you in the right direction. ;D
Hello all!
Well, I have some good news and some bad news.
Good news: I managed to get the 2nd Xbox up and running with the new larger hard drive! :applaud:
Bad news: I ended up getting a mondo virus on my Windows partition and was forced to delete it and tonight I have the arduous task of reinstalling Windows. The virus came from an Xbox information site on a program called CONFIG MAGIC (more later). :cry: :hissy:
Ark_ader,
I did kind of figure that out after I posted that message when I saw on another instructional website where the author DOES post the screen in question AND he clearly shows writing out "yes" and not just typing 'Y'.
To All,
However, I also noticed on that site AND the site posted here for XboxHDM that the procedure was referring to a SOFT MOD Xbox. At first I wasn't paying attention too much to that, but then I was like, "Wait a minute, I have a CHIPPED box and this should be MUCH easier". I remembered seeing formatting tools in AID and also some locking options when I had UnleashX up on my other Xbox. So, I consulted the documentation when I got home from work.
Sure enough...AID COULD handle everything. So I proceeded to drop my new HD into my Xbox (I already grabbed the backup info for the original drive and put it on my PC the night before). I booted the Xbox to AID and right away AID noticed I had a new drive and proceeded to partition the drive and format it accordingly. It handled everything for me right up to the G drive. That I had to be formatted via the dashboard (since AID uses UnleashX, I could do it right there too).
Once I had the HD setup, I FTP'ed my PC and reinstated the backup files back to the E drive and then restored everything to where it was supposed to go. The only thing different I did was install the 5960 MS Dashboard on C.
Now came the problem of locking the drive. I first had to reinstall the eeprom and there was no restore option for that...only backup. So I was like ?!?!?! I was hoping to find an option that allowed me to do so via the AID menu, but there wasn't. After doing a bit of digging on-line, I found out that the program CONFIG-MAGIC handles everything in regards to restoring the eeprom within AID. The nice thing about CONFIG-MAGIC is that it also can go hand in hand with what Northerngames mentioned about grabbing eeprom files a few posts back, BUT it does one better, you can EDIT eeproms and alter the serial number. NAWICE!
So I followed the instructions on that site as to the correct procedure for reinstalling the eeprom and then locking the HD. But it was here on that site where I contracted the virus that took out my Windows partition. So while I do not remember exactly the name of the site, I know it was one of the first sites that came up in my search. So my best advice is that unless it is a wiki or an official site that has information on CONFIG-MAGIC....AVOID IT!
Luckily I had all the information I needed in the Xbox and was able to restore the eeprom, lock the drive and install the XBMC and UnleashX dashes on the Xbox.
So all in all with the exception of the wireless bridge, the 2nd Xbox is ready to go.
All of this does come bittersweet because now I have a larger problem on my hands and that is to restore my Windows partition. I just come one week off off of fully restoring my Ubuntu partition from a mishap that happened before the holidays and now this happens with Windows.
I have not set up networking as of yet with Ubuntu.
The whole weird thing about this was that I normally do not use Windows to go on the web, but I got lazy and I didn't want to log out of Windows because I was working with the FTP as well and didn't want to bounce back and forth. ...and that mistake cost me big time.
The virus/spyware program I ended up getting was a bogus virus protection program (how ironic) called Antivirus Soft.
Here is a wiki on it:
http://www.wiki-security.com/wiki/ov_Parasite/AntivirusSoft (http://www.wiki-security.com/wiki/ov_Parasite/AntivirusSoft)
I will say that you should read up on this and protect your computer against this virus beforehand, as you can't fix the problem afterward. This virus/spyware program is so tenacious that it will not allow you to do a Ctrl-Alt-Delete to shut down certain functions. It also will prevent you from installing anything as well, hence I couldn't use the fix. There is a manual method to removing the virus, but there is always the danger of ruining Windows anyway, and this is one of those programs that if you don't get it all out of your system, it will reinstall itself.
So with a heavy heart, I just tried to save what I could before nixing the Windows partition. There went my MALA setup! (Luckily I had MALA linked to MAME on another partition, so at least I have my full MAME info, I just have to reinstall and set up MALA). Sadly, one of the things that went forgotten was the tutorial I was working on for this site (it was saved to the desktop). The good news was that it was only half of the tutorial...the other half I have here at work. (I was working on both ends and then would put the two halves together for the full tutorial to post here).
I ended up getting the virus last night right when I was reading a section on that site on how you could use a chip modded Xbox to upgrade the hard drive on a soft modded box. THAT to me sounded very interesting and it did open up the door (and my mind) to perhaps some future Xbox projects, i.e. setting up Xbox XBMC units for family and friends without the need to modchip the box.
I think the next Xbox I am going to do WILL be a softmod so this way I could add that to the tutorial. As it is, I found a 'junker' computer at my job that was blown out by a power surge we had in our building one weekend. I know I can scavenge the female USB port connector from the PC's front USB ports to use to make a USB port on my XBox. (Tightwad, well it looks like I will be using that extension wire after all!!!).
Sooo...it looks like I am not just yet done with this thread yet! But I am going to go on hiatus for a while as now I have to reload Windows on my PC AND redo the half of the tutorial I lost last night.
I have noticed that this site has a file repository. What I am also going to do is make a file package and put it on the repository so that no one will have to go looking around all over the web for the needed files. That will help everyone in many ways so this way they don't risk their machine to all this info that is just haphazardly all over the place and could be on sites that have viruses and malware.
So right now I am just a bit bummed out. I am hoping to get Windows at least 65% restored by tonight. I wanted to to give the new Xbox a workout via a video event this weekend so I can see how the Xbox performs with XBMC v.s. the old computer setup I been using for that task.
So for now as Porky Pig says "Abee Abee Abee, That's ALL Folks!"
Geo
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I must admit I have lost a few Window Installs to these rootkit viruses in the past.
Now if I HAVE to go to a fishy site I do it via Puppy Linux on Vmware making sure it is isolated and just running in memory.
I wished you mentioned that you had to get Config-Magic - I had that on my AID 4.5 ISO and could have saved you the hassle.
This is true if you have already a chipped xbox you can do lots with a soft-modded xbox like changing the drive out.
My next big project is to emulate what another user has done - and I am chomping at the bit to make this a reality:
http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1 (http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1)
I have everything ready to go except the Apple TV mod - but it will rock for my next pedestal cabinet build.
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I think I got that same virus on my machine...luckily it was a mostly empty machine and I just reformatted it, but it was annoying for sure. I still have a machine down to a similar virus (might even be the same), and I have to decide whether I can fix it or just re-do it...this one has 150GB worth of stuff I hate to lose.
As far as a USB cable, I discovered well after I made my own that there are some on Ebay for <$10...I would just buy one. For the soft-mod the correct USB Drive was the hard part...my little USB2.0 SD adapter kit worked well with a small SD card.
I may have to redo my Xbox....that Error 13 issue is annoying and would be harder to deal with once installed in a cabinet. I don't totally understand what to keep and what to blow away, so I might just have to redo it altogether.
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I must admit I have lost a few Window Installs to these rootkit viruses in the past.
Now if I HAVE to go to a fishy site I do it via Puppy Linux on Vmware making sure it is isolated and just running in memory.
Like I said, I got lazy...I admit it. I knew I was going to use FTP and I had not had that set up in Ubuntu yet, so I went off searching and when I found something I thought could help...it bit me in the a--.
I wished you mentioned that you had to get Config-Magic - I had that on my AID 4.5 ISO and could have saved you the hassle.
No, no no. I have the same version of AID and Config-Magic WAS there...my problem was I didn't know how to use it. The AID link to Config-Magic wasn't too helpful either. So I searched on-line and was led to what been to be a well informing site of Xbox material and right while I was logged on and checking something out, BAM! I got hit with it. All of a sudden the icon appeared on my taskbar and I KNOW I didn't install it. When the first popup came up saying it was Antivirus-Soft, I knew what I had.
This is true if you have already a chipped xbox you can do lots with a soft-modded xbox like changing the drive out.
Earlier in this thread the topic of how to add a larger hard drive to an Xbox came up and the XBoxHDM method came up. So I followed that. I wasn't paying attention that is what you use on a SOFT MOD box. But yeah, with a chip it is 10 times easier. What more is that the AID disk practically sets it up for you.
My next big project is to emulate what another user has done - and I am chomping at the bit to make this a reality:
http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1 (http://img69.imageshack.us/flvplayer.swf?f=Ptitle1&autostart=true&noclick=1)[/quote]
Yup! I seen that before as well. I asked the fellow for some information on that front end, but he never got back to me.
I have everything ready to go except the Apple TV mod - but it will rock for my next pedestal cabinet build.
You are going to go for the pedestal, huh? Well, I found another reason to go pedestal too: HYPERBOWL! What are you going to use for your viewing surface for the pedestal rig? Projection TV, Video projector, or a large LCD?
I think I got that same virus on my machine...luckily it was a mostly empty machine and I just reformatted it, but it was annoying for sure. I still have a machine down to a similar virus (might even be the same), and I have to decide whether I can fix it or just re-do it...this one has 150GB worth of stuff I hate to lose.
Ouch! Rule of thumb...keep your zip downloads on a SEPARATE partition after you install them, this way it will be easier to reinstall.
As far as a USB cable, I discovered well after I made my own that there are some on Ebay for <$10...I would just buy one. For the soft-mod the correct USB Drive was the hard part...my little USB2.0 SD adapter kit worked well with a small SD card.
Most of the cables that I seen for Xbox to USB were of a MALE USB plug, and not the female socket. Sure you can use a gender bender, but then that adds to the cost.
The 'blown' computer is a small case factor Dell Optiplex which has a custom motherboard. The case has two USB ports that are screwed into the front panel and it has a cord going to the motherboard. Needless to say I saw that cord and it screamed to me "Xbox USB adapter". I already had purchased the Xbox extension wire back before the holidays and I thought I wouldn't be using it, but now I WILL use it after all. I am just going to wire everything up in a small project enclosure and then plug the adapter into the Xbox, and the memory stick into the adapter.
For the most part it wasn't just for the future proposal for a soft modded Xbox, but I did want to see if I could transfer data using a memory stick just so I would have another way to get data into / out of the Xbox other than just using FTP alone.
Geo
I may have to redo my Xbox....that Error 13 issue is annoying and would be harder to deal with once installed in a cabinet. I don't totally understand what to keep and what to blow away, so I might just have to redo it altogether.
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Ok, guys.
I am about 95% recovered from the virus I had on my system two nights ago. I spent much of last night and today getting Windows operational. While at it, I am neatening up my computer and just filing things in a more orderly fashion.
Since viruses do not transmit well (or at all) to Linux, I have decided to do just about ALL my on-line work in Linux. One big issue though was that I didn't know how to get Linux to talk properly on my network. So tonight I tried to give it a go. (I am using Ubuntu Studio Linux 8.04)
I set up Samba and Cups on my machine (two things needed to network and send files to printers in Linux) and low and behold, I can't see my wife's computer, nor the printer on the network. At first I couldn't see my Xbox either, but then I saw an option on my start menu that said "Connect to Server". I remembered that the Xbox acts as an FTP 'server' and so I clicked on that option. So I clicked on it and much to my surprise I was greeted with an input box that was set up much like the first line in FileZilla. It asked for the IP address, username, and login password. So I just filled it all out and BAM! It connected to my Xbox!
So that is good news for those of you considering Linux.
Sidebar: Also for those following along on my "Dragon's Lair tangent", the Daphne emulator does have a version made for Ubuntu Linux. I have set it up very easily and managed to get Dragon's Lair AND Badlands to run. I am still having a minor checksum error problem with Space Ace.
That is the scoop for now. I am going to be taking the next few days off from this forum because I am going to mainly use the time here to begin rewriting the lost portion of the tutorial I am making for this forum.
So when I come back here I should have the document finished.
Everyone have a good weekend and I will "see" you when I get back!!
Geo
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Hello all,
Just to let everyone know, I have NOT forgotten about the tutorial I promised. It just has been taking quite a bit longer than I thought. It is already up to 10 (Word) pages long, but I am up to the last section. So I would say after I proof read it and clean it up, I should be posting it within another week or so.
The reason for it's length is that I tried to describe most of the procedures myself. Realizing that much of the information on Xbox-Scene is outdated, I figured a document that has a much longer lifespan would have as few links as possible, but this increased it's length tremendously.
What will be covered is everything from obtaining the necessary files (and materials) to performing a DuoX2 chip-mod to installing a larger HDD, installing XBMC dashboard, and finally installing CoinOPs. In a nutshell, just condensing this behemoth of a thread down to something that can be printed out and followed along as one is modding an Xbox.
On the horizon for me is a third Xbox-mod, but that one will be a soft mod with a larger hard drive. I did some reading and I found out that if you have a CHIP modded Xbox, you can create a larger hard drive for a soft modded box. So naturally I was very interested in that. But the jury is still out on that one as once again, much of the information I came across is old and outdated and I am 'chasing' bad links.
Also, I am coming up with control panel design for my bartop game console.
That is all for now!
Geo
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yeah as long as the hdd is unlocked and setup correctly it can be swapped from one modded console to another and it will pick right up as long as it is chipped or soft modded.
hdd's that are locked to a certain motherboard cannot be swapped until there unlocked.
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yeah as long as the hdd is unlocked and setup correctly it can be swapped from one modded console to another and it will pick right up as long as it is chipped or soft modded.
hdd's that are locked to a certain motherboard cannot be swapped until there unlocked.
Well, with Config-Magic you CAN lock the drive, but you have to get the eeprom from the "to be modded" Xbox first. The point is to match the eeprom with the serial number on the Xbox. So instead of using the eeprom from the chip-modded Xbox, you use the eeprom from from the Xbox that is soft modded. After installation of the new larger HDD, you can install the eeprom and lock it.
I am still fuzzy on the full procedure to do it, but I have been looking at a couple of different sources and extrapolating what I need accordingly.
Geo
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you could make the tool I mentioned prior and do any of that with ease.
config magic lock's, unlock's and also display's the eeprom info needed.
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Hello all!
Well the moment is here, I am about 98% complete with the Xbox chip mod tutorial. I am right now doing some "Beta" testing on it. So here is the first part of the document. When I get the second part completed I will post it here as well. Once everything has been ironed out, I can get a sticky made for it.
Xbox Duo X2 Mod Chip Tutorial for Xbox versions 1.0-1.5
(1.6 supported but not tried out)
A) The following is a list of materials you will need to perform the modification:
1.An Xbox (preferably one that was never modified): I should mention here and now that you will need to know how to identify the version of the Xbox you have. Here is a website that shows you how to identify your Xbox version (and year produced) by using the serial number alone:
http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO. (http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/Xbox_Versions_HOWTO.)
In the event this website is down or no longer available you can determine your year and version just by looking at the LAST 5 digits of the serial number (after the space in the middle of the number). We are concerned with the first three numbers. The first one is the final year digit and the next two digits are the week mfg. A version 1.0 Xbox ran from 223xx-239xx. A version 1.1 ran from 242xx-303xx. A version 1.2 ran from 249xx-310xx (please note there ARE overlaps). A version 1.3 ran from 310xx-329xx. A version 1.4 ran from 330xx-415xx. A version 1.6 ran from 413xx-521xx (again note the overlap). The chart in the link above is much more accurate than this quick run down, but in the event it is down you can generally get an idea of what version your Xbox falls into. For all practical purposes try to get an Xbox with the last 5 digits starting with a 2 or 3 then you are assured of an Xbox made prior to version 1.6.
2.A DuoX2-GS ModChip: There are a couple of versions of this mod chip and you want the one with the Cromwell Linux / Flashbios 3.0.3. You can obtain the modchips from these websites:
http://www.dynatron.org/store/#IC%27s%20(chips (http://www.dynatron.org/store/#IC%27s%20(chips)!)
http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/hb-xb_duox2cr.html (http://www.divineo.com/cgi-bin/div-us/hb-xb_duox2cr.html)
I had ordered my chips from Dynatron above, but I heard Divineo is also very reputable. Dynatron doesn't take credit cards though. I believe Divineo does.
3.Soldering Expertise: I will not go through what you need in terms of materials here, but you will need to do some soldering work on a very small scale, so you need experience in small board soldering and you need a soldering iron with a very fine tip. You will also need very fine wire (#30 coated copper is good) to run two wires (which will be covered later on.
4.Various On-line Downloads: You will be needing the following pieces of software below downloaded to a WINDOWS PC. Please TAKE NOTE of the versions I am using. If you use a version different than what I have listed below, there may have been changes that will not follow the instructions I laid out here.
EvolutionX M8plus Bios.rar
(bios needed to replace current bios on mod chip)
Evtool_1.0.9.rar
(edits the above bios for your needs)
eurasia_pro_generic_flash_disc_1_3.zip
(optional. But nice to have if you blow your Flashbios on your modchip)
Audio-Installer.Deluxe.v4.50.FINAL.Xbox-Hq
(just about contains everything to set up your Xbox along with many game console emulators. This is the single most important item on this list next to the bios items above).
LiveInfo_BETA_3-Xbox_v1.6-Yoshihiro.rar
(allows you to examine your eeprom contents—optional)
ms-dash-mik3h.rar
(this is an updated MS dashboard 5960—recommended if you are upgrading your hard disk drive to a larger model).
XBMC-SVN_2009-02-18_rev17820-T3CH.rar
(Media Center Dashboard, older version is already on the Auto Installer Deluxe v4.50 disc).
UnleashX_0_39_052A.rar
( Standard Dashboard—great for running emulators)
CoinOPS Reignite R5 Standalone
(A very nice Mame Emulator for Xbox, very 'pro' looking and can be set up in an arcade cabinet)
MAMEoX_v0.84.b3_updated.zip
(an alternative to CoinOPs if you are just looking for a standard mame emulator—optional).
Mame .84 romset (other versions could be converted with clrmamepro).
Xbe.Shorcut.Maker.1.0.rar
(A nice tool that makes life on the Xbox easier, will elaborate later)
7z465.exe
(With all those .rar files above you are going to need something to unzip them!)
Downloading all of the above: The most recommeded source to download all of the items above is Xbins which will pretty much have all the files above and is pretty much a 'one stop shop'. However, Xbins goes through mIRC and has a tendency to drop your connection. I wasn't too fond of Xbins. Most of the items above can be had without it with some Google searching. However, the EvolutionX M8 Plus bios I HAD to get there as I couldn't find it elswhere. They are on #xbins on EfNet. I am not going to cover the procedure for setting up Xbins on your machine here. But you can consult this tutorial:
http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php (http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/xbins.php)
Programs you will be needing to download from Xbins are mIRC and FlaxFXP.
The COINOPS Reignite R5 program will take some intense searching to find, I will provide the link to the forum where you can get some more information on it
http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31894 (http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31894)
NOTE: As of the time of writing this document, COINOPS Reignite was up to version R8 Beta. The link for this updated version is:
Edit: It is now up to version X.
http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31894 (http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31894)
Read the links by the poster: 'CoinOPs Combustion' for more info.
This version R8 supports vertical rotation of the entire interface, where as R5 doesn't have this feature. R5 DOES rotate to play vertical games, but the game selection interface doesn't rotate. R8 supports full rotation of the interface as well. To upgrade to R8 just replace the Coinops.xbe and MAMEoX.xbe files.
5)A video interface and/or cable that would allow you hook up your Xbox to a TV or computer monitor. Since I have already a dual computer monitor setup on my desk I chose to go with an RGB to VGA converter such as the Mygica HD Game Box unit here:
http://www.amazon.com/Mygica-Game-Video-Converter-Switcher/dp/B001463UNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1270439793&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Mygica-Game-Video-Converter-Switcher/dp/B001463UNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1270439793&sr=8-1)
B) Installation of the Mod Chip (read all of the below before proceeding):
1)The installation of the DuoX2-GS modchip are covered nicely on these two sites. Usually most sites where you purchase the chip from will have detailed instructions. But I have found out that these two instructions differ slightly.
http://www.dynatron.org/howto/XBOX/hackit/MoBo/Duo/ (http://www.dynatron.org/howto/XBOX/hackit/MoBo/Duo/)
This site is from the same company I purchased the DuoX2 chips from, however, they do not show you the correct BT point. The correct BT point should be the top two solder connections behind the eject button, which is illustrated in these instructions:
http://www.modchipworld.co.uk/store/duo-x_2_diagrams_v1.5.html (http://www.modchipworld.co.uk/store/duo-x_2_diagrams_v1.5.html)
2)It is worth noting that unless you are really really good at soldering then it is worth removing the main board and using the UNDERSIDE board location. Being an experienced solderer myself, I STILL opted to go with the BOTTOM recommendation. When soldering this connection, use the recommended 30gauge solid wiring and pass it through one of the extra holes that are not being used by the mod-chip header. Also worth noting is that you should INVEST IN SOLDER BRAID! It is a must. I have found that on both version 1.0 boards I have worked on, the header location had the solder points FILLED IN, and solder braid was necessary to clear the holes to mount the header. You must be VERY careful here not to use too much heat on your soldering iron, or else you WILL ruin the board. Sometimes heating a piece of wire that will fit in the hole will help to clear it it out but using solder braid on BOTH sides should clear the holes.Make sure that you set the mod-chip's on board switch over to the other “Bank 1” position (first bank is Bank 0 which you don't want). Bank 1 has the Flash Bios 3.0.3 option and this is what we need to flash the bios later on.
C) Using Evtool to set up your EvolutionX M8+ bios:
1.On your Windows PC, open up Evtool and load in the EvolutionX M8+ bios suited for your particular Xbox version. Generally you would use EvolutionX M8+_16 for version 1.6 Xboxes and all other versions use the standard EvolutionX M8+ bios. Since I have modded two version 1.0 Xbox's that is what version I will referencing throught this tutorial.
2)With Evtool running, look to the lower right hand corner and select “open”. Navigate to the folder where your EvolutionX M8+ file is and click on that to load it into Evtool.
3)Once the bios is loaded up into Evtool look at the picture below and follow along:
4)Starting with the “Logo Colors” and “Toggles” you can make any adjustments here you like. With the setup I have here basically I have kept the original X-Box animation on start up, but the “X” has yellow and orange shadowing with a purple highlight.
5)DO NOT mess with the “Loaded Bios.bin setting” and it is recommended to keep the setting for “IGR Method” to “More Compatible”.
6)The Power LED color is also something of your choice and is self explanitory. I chose “Orange” for my CoinOPs (MAME) Xbox, and “Red” for my XBMC Xbox, this way I could differentiate the two just by turning it on.
7)“Fan Speed” and “Presets” should be left where they are (unless you overclocked your processor and then you should increase the fan speed.
8)“Boot Partitions And Executables” should be set as shown above (note this is the boot order for the Xbox:
DVD = default.xbe
1st E:\Dash\default.xbe
2nd E:\XBMC\default.xbe
3rd E:\UnleashX\default.xbe
It is worth noting that you should NEVER change the DVD setting from default.xbe because in the event something goes wrong with your hard drive you can still boot from a auto installer disc. The next position I pretty much left blank by labeling it “Dash”. This basically gives me an opportunity to install a 'test' dashboard at that location or use an XBE shortcut (more later). Because it is the first position it can come in handy to boot to another dashboard or program directly upon bootup. The second spot should be your favorite dashboard and without anything in the first spot (no default.xbe) then that dashboard would boot up. In my case that dashboard would be XBMC. I recommened doing the same. In the event of a failure of that second dashboard, there is a third backup. I have UnleashX here, but I would recommend EvolutionX for this spot.
9)“LBASupport...” Set this to; “Partition 6 Takes up to 137GB / Partition 7 Takes Rest” ALWAYS. Even if you want to keep the stock hard drive, you should make this setting because in the event that you do change your mind down the road, your BIOS will be properly setup and will be 'large hard drive ready'.
10) Make sure the box for “Ignore Hard Drive Partition Table” is NOT checked
11) Most important, make sure you select the BIOS “File Size” to be 512k.
12) Finally save the file using the “Save As...” button and name the file “BIOS.bin”.
D) Flashing The Bios on the Xbox
1.With the Bios set and ready to go set up the Xbox with a network cable attached to your computer or through a router. I recommend going through a router because a direct connection to a computer would require something called a “cross-cable”.
2.After the Xbox has been successfully tested and comes up to the “FlashBios 3.0.3” screen, take a look at your options for loading the Bios. By far the most easiest way to flash the bios is to select the option that says “Use Network Connection To Flash Bios”.
3.After selecting that option, the Xbox will generate an IP address. This address will have the format of 192.168.1.xxx (last three digits will differ based on what your router gives as an open address for the Xbox to use).
4.Now go to your PC and use your web browser (Internet Explorer preferred, but I tried Firefox and it works too).
5.Type the given address you received on the Xbox into the address line of your browser. Within a few seconds a screen should come up asking you to browse to the location of your BIOS file. Navigate to the bios file location and enter it
6.If everything was done correctly, you should see a progress bar come up on the Xbox screen and when that is done, your Xbox should shut itself down. Sometimes the front panel lamp will light up instead of shutting down. If this occurs, then you have successfully flashed your bios.
7.Turn on the Xbox via the power switch and look to see if your modified logo comes up and your front panel lamp lights up the color you selected. If it does then breath a huge sigh of relief because the hard part is all done IF you are using a stock drive. In the next section below we are going to backup all the data on the hard drive for safe keepin and also that information will be needed if you desire to upgrade the hard drive at this time also in the event of failure of the stock HD, you have a backup to work from.
E) Backing Up Your Data (using the Auto Installer Disc).
1)At this point we are going to create the Auto Installer Disc using Auto Installer Deluxe v4.50. This is probably the most important item you will be needing from here on in. First thing we need to do is make the disc.
2)After unpackaging AID (As I will call it from now on in) is to locate the Manual.pdf file. I highly recommend skimming through it as I there are many details I will not explain here as they are covered in that manual. However, the section(s) to read in detail to start with is “Chapter 3 – Preparing The AID 4.50 disc on your PC” as this section details on how to create the .iso file needed to burn the AID disc for the Xbox. (Note: It is highly recommended that you DO burn the disc with a 100mb dummy file. The presence of this file increases the readability of the disc via the Xbox's DVD drive.
3)The next step is to burn the disc. I recommend using only DVD-R's or DVD-RW's as many of the older style Xbox's have trouble reading CD-Rs. Even so it is recommended to use a HIGH QUALITY disc to burn AID onto. Raitek is a good brand to go with, but I have had luck with Maxell 4.7gb DVD-R's even on the older (and pickier) Thomson drives.
4)The program I used for burning the disc wasn't what the manual recommended, however it was included in the “PC Tools” directory of AID 4.50. The program is called ImgBurn (v2.4.2.0). You can really use any burner of your your choice, but I HIGHLY recommend one that can do a 1x burn. Burning this slow will insure a very accurate burn to the disc and this is what you want considering that some Xbox's might have a drive that might be 'difficult' and burning at a faster rate will just increase the chance for errors anyway. So don't rush it, just set your program to burn at 1x and then walk away (if need be). If your burning program supports file verification by all means VERIFY!!! You want to make sure that what is on your computer matches what is on the burned iso. This way you will know right off the bat if you have a problem.
5)If you are using ImgBurn 2.4.2.0 then all you have to do is:
Open the program and select the first option “Write Image File To Disc”
Follow along with the diagram below:
In the “Source” section, click the browse icon (1st on the right) and browse to the location of your iso file that you created.
In the “Destination” section, click on your DVD burner's location (J: in my case).
Make sure “Verify” has a check mark in it.
Finally make sure that under “Settings” you select 1x Write Speed.
Click the large file to disc icon on the bottom left and burn away!
6)When the above process is finished remove the disc and place it into your modded Xbox, remember to push the power button first to make sure the mod-chip is activated, then insert the disc and close the tray. Hopefully the disc will be recognized and will boot up. It does take a LONG time for AID to fully load, so have patience. On my Xbox console it takes a good 1min and 15 seconds before the AID IV screen comes up.
7)First option on the list is “Backup ? Restore HDD”. By all means that is what we came for, so click on that option.
8)Ok, so what we are presented with next is a screen that lists a bunch of backup options for drives C: E: Gamesaves, Cache, and Eeprom. The absolute most important option here is the Eeprom followed by the C drive and Cache. Click on each option and set it to save to the E: Drive. It will save your data to E:\Backup.
9)Now what we need to do is to copy this data off of the Xbox hard drive and onto your PC's hard drive and from there you could move it to a memory stick or wherever you safegaurd your data. The best way to do this is via the network cable. However, AID defaults to a static IP address and for most systems that use DHCP, we have to change this.
10) Click the back button within AID until you get back to the main screen. Select “Advanced Options”, and then “UnleashX Settings”
11) When you are in the UnleashX settings, go down to “Network” and a black box with a blue boarder will appear with all the network settings. What we want to do is change the “Type” setting from “static” to DHCP. When that is set, click the back button and SAVE the setting.
12) Exit back out of UnleashX and get back to the AID menu that has the option “Reset Network”. After several sections, the network information on the right side of the AID IV screen will show DHCP and the new IP address. Make a note of this address!
13) Now go into Windows and navigate to your “Network Places” (Start =>MyNetwork Places =>Add A Network Place
14) Choose “Another Network Location” and then click on “Next”.
15) In the text box for “Internet or Network Address” type: ftp://xbox:xbox@<IP address received above> (I.E. . ). Then click “Next”.
16) Another text box comes up asking to name the connection type “Xbox-<its IP address>”. Click Finish
17) Clicking on the new icon should bring up the drives that are on your Xbox. If the C: & E: drives come up, then you have successfully made your connection. You can now safely copy the entire contents of the “E:\Backup” folder to your PC and safeguard that data. However, if you are going to upgrade the hard drive, keep the data on your PC for the moment.
Log out of the FTP connection to the PC and you are done backing up your data.
18) On your Windows PC, unpack the LiveData application mentioned above and follow the instructions on checking your bios to make sure that it's serial number matches that on your Xbox. The serial numbers MUST MATCH in order to install a larger hard drive and 'lock it'.
19) If you have a stock hard drive you can skip the next section and begin to load dashboards and applications onto the stock hard drive. However, I know that most of you will want to put a larger hard drive into the Xbox and that is what the next section will be all about.
F) Upgrading Your Xbox To A Large Hard Drive.
1)If you came to this part without performing the above section on backing up your Xbox data, STOP RIGHT NOW and follow the section above.
2)Once you have the stock hard drive backed up, get your upgrade hard drive and make sure it's jumper is set to “Cable Select”.
3)With the power off AND power cord removed, open up your Xbox and remove the IDE and power cable from the stock hard drive. Connect the new hard drive in it's place. Put the old hard drive in safekeeping as it contains the original data, you could always come back to it later on should need be.
4)Once you made sure your connections are secure, turn on the Xbox via the front power switch and then open the DVD drawer. Once again put in the AID Installer disc.
5)AID will automatically detect that you have a new hard drive in your Xbox and it will begin several runs on setting up the partition table and formatting the hard drive. If you have a hard drive that is larger than 137gb, it will set up four partitions for you...however, the last partition (usually “G”) must be formatted manually and this you can do once AID is finished setting up the hard drive.
6)Once the hard drive setup is done and you are back at the main AID IV screen, take a look at the right side where the IP address/ drive info is. See if you have positions for C: E: F: G: They should all give some sort of xxxxxx MB free. If they come up as 0, then the drive has not been formated and you must format it using the Format / Prepare HDD selection on the main menu. (Please note that if your drive is less than 137gb then you will not see a “G” drive).
7)Once you see all your drives, use AID to once again set up the FTP (see above section) between the Xbox and your PC.
8)Copy the “Backup” directory you saved earlier to the E: drive on the Xbox.
9)Also while we are at setting up a new hard drive, we should also upgrade the Microsoft Dashboard while we are at it. So we are not going to restore the C portion of the back up, but rather unzip the “ms-dash-mik3h.rar” file which contains the updated MS Dashboard 5960. After expansion, copy the contents over to the C: drive on the Xbox. The files you should copy over are as follows:
A folder labeled “Audio”
A folder labeled “Fonts”
A folder labeled “xboxdashdata.185ead00”
A folder labeled “xodash”
A file labeled “Xbox.xtf”
A file labeled “Xbox Book.xtf
A file labeled “xboxdash.xbe”
That will take care of the Xbox 5960 dashboard.
10)Restoring the Eeprom: This will be a bit more difficult as you have to use a special program called Config Magic. This program is also included on the AID 4.50 disc (didn't I say this disc will be VERY useful?) and will handle reloading the Eeprom back on your system and it will also lock your hard drive to the Xbox.
11)Navigate to the second AID screen and select “Config Magic”. After a short warning about using the program select “Start”.
12)From the main menu, select “Load EEPROM from .bin file”. Navigate to the E:\Backup directory and located where the EEPROM was saved to and load that into Config Magic.
13)Next Click on “Update EEPROM”.
14)Once the “Current Xbox Configuration” comes up with your Xbox's info starting with the correct serial number on top (serial number of the EEPROM must match the Xbox). Now you can lock the HDD. Locking the new HDD will allow your system to appear as if it has the stock HDD. This means if you use the Xbox without the mod chip turned on, you can go onto Xbox Live without being banned. (For all practical purposes the Xbox thinks the old hard drive is still there). While you can use the Xbox without locking the drive, I don't recommend it. Best thing to do is lock it.
15)Go back to the Menu and select “Lock HDD” and follow the directions on screen. Before exiting out of Config Magic make sure one more time that the serial number matches and that the drive is indeed locked.
16)Congradulations! You now have a fully modded Xbox WITH updated hard drive that is LOCKED to the system.
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Ok, guys here is Part II, but it is incomplete. I just have to finish the last section:
G) Installing Dashboards and Applications.
1)Installing A Dashboard: Ok, now with the hard stuff behind us it is time to install a main dashboard. Now remember that we set up the Dashboard paths in Evtool earlier? Well now we are going to put the dashboards in those locations. Lets start with XBMC since that is pretty much the defacto standard for Xbox dashboards right now.
2)Again we can break out our trusty AID 4.50 Installer Disc and it has XBMC already loaded on to it. After the AID IV screen comes up select “Dashboard Section”. I recommend putting the main dashboards on drive E and putting the data and applications on F and/or G (if you installed a larger hard drive). Try to make it a rule to just put your data on F and/or G and not mess with the data on E as that will help in you not moving (or deleting) something important from the main dashboard.
3)Select “Install E Drive Dashboards” and then select “Install Xbox Media Center (XBMC). It will install XBMC on to your E drive and since the path in your BIOS points to E:\Dash first and there is no default.xbe file there it will then look to E:\XBMC\default.xbe and will find the file and automatically load XBMC as your dashboard.
4)While we are loading dashboards, pick a tertiary (3rd ) dashboard that you want to have as a backup for for other use. In my case this was UnleashX. Once again follow the directions above and install UnleashX to your E: Drive. (Another popular dashboard is EvolutionX and if that is your preference for this spot then by all means load it on here instead of UnleashX...but remember you should install the dashboard that you specified above in the BIOS setup. However, if you didn't it is no biggie. You can still use any dashboard of choice and install it to the DASH directory and that directory will be read by the BIOS first.
5)Installing An Application: Installation of an application is even easier than a dashboard. Once again load up the AID 4.50 disc and navigate to the “Application Section”. Then select “Install to F (or G) Drive”. Here I recommend looking up what applications you want and install these accordingly. If you have a stock hard drive, then you must install to the E drive. So for example I want the DVD2Xbox copy application. I would go: “Application Section” => “Install To F (or G) Drive” => “Install DVD2Xbox”. Then your application will install.
6)Installing An Emulator: Pretty much this is the same as installing an application except you have your choice of console, computer, or arcade emulators. In this case you would go “Emulator Section” => “Install to F (or G) Drive” => “emulator of your choice”. Again research the different emulator types.
H) Installing CoinOPS Reignite R5 (Arcade Emulator for Cabinet Install)
1)CoinOPS Reignite R5 is a MAME emulator very similar to MAMEoX that comes on the AID 4.50 installation disc. However, CoinOPS seems much more 'pro' and is more suited to a cabinet style installation. So I highly recommend installing CoinOPS over MAMEoX. (Please note that as of this writing I am currently testing CoinOPS Reignite R8 BETA. This version has considerably new features over R5 (including full vertical orientation support). But because it is a BETA version, it may have bugs. I have tested R5 rigeriously and it appears to be very stable, so my advice is to stick with that. If you absolutely NEED vertical support (for a vertical only cabinet), then by all means give R8 a whirl.
2)CoinOPS Reignite R5 can be obtained from this website:
---link nuked by saint while legality is determined---
3)Once the file is downloaded unrar it into it's own folder.
4)Once CoinOPS ReIgnite R5 is on your system, you have to load up the ROMs directory with your arcade game roms. Also while you are at it, you may as well put some screenshots in so this way you can view a screenshot when you search for your roms after CoinOPS starts.
You can get screenshots from MAWS:
http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/ (http://maws.mameworld.info/maws/)
Just input the name of your game (or the game's rom name) and then hit search. When you see your game version come up look at the screenshot options. There usually will be a few screenshots to choose from. Pick the one you like and click on it to zoom in to the larger picture size. Then right click on the picture and save the file to the CoinOPS “Screenshots” folder. (You might want to put your roms and screenshots into their appropriate folders BEFORE jumping to the next step and moving the R5 folders over to the Xbox).
5)Turn on the Xbox and then go into “My Network Places” and click on the Xbox connetion.
6)Move the entire contents of the CoinOPS folder to an appropriate folder on the F or G drive. Generally I would put it in the Emulators folder since that is probably where you will have other emulators as well.
7)Once R5, the roms and screenshots have been moved over to the Xbox, navigate to the folder where you put it in and click on the “default.xbe” file within CoinOPS. This will launch the program and you can then begin to set it up.
8)The first thing you need to do is let CoinOPS know what is on your system. Push the “START” button on your Xbox controller. A menu will come up that starts with “Settings”. Click on that using the green or “A” button. Go all the way down to the bottom of the next screen and click on “Advanced Settings” with the “A” button. The Advanced Settings should be “Enabled” now. Use the back button to exit out. Now push the “START” button again. Go down to “Scan All Your Games” and select it with the “A” button. A couple of progress bars will come up and when it is done, you should have a list of your roms on the left side and your screenshots in the background.
9)Go ahead select a game from your list and press the “A” button to launch it. If you are using the stock hard drive, sometimes loading times do take a while and your screen may be blank for a while. Just have patience, Coin OPS will load the rom (unless of course the rom is truly defective). Generally if you have replaced your hard drive with a newer/faster one, load times will be pretty fast.
10) When you game has launched the “BACK” button becomes your coin entry. The “START” button is your Player 1 start.
11)If you need to make adjustments as per game like in Mame hold the “BACK” button down and hit the “WHITE” button. This will bring up the game settings. On the most basic levels there will be options to remap the game (reconfigure the controls), There will be a “Cheats” option, the Games Settings option and if there are analog controls used in the game, settings to tweak the analog controls. Finally there is an option to return to the main screen. (Remember that if you have not selected the “Advanced Settings” to “Enabled” as instructed above, you will only see the “Cheats” setting here and “Return To Game”.
12)To Exit out of any game and get back to the main selection menu press “BACK” and “START” together.
Once you have ensured that CoinOPS is working, the next step is to create a short cut for the program in which you can quickly launch it and/or have the Xbox boot directly to it.
J) Using XBE Shortcut Maker.
1.We are now going to go back to the PC and unzip (unrar) the XBE Shortcut Maker Program. What this program will allow you to do is to create an XBE launching shortcut that you can put just about anywhere that is convenient to launch a program that would otherwise be inconvenient or a long way off to get to it's default.xbe file. The shortcut created could also be placed into that E:/Dash/ directory to facilitate direct booting of CoinOPS.
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Good write-up. It is always good to find the information all in one spot.
I find the soft-mod much easier and cheaper than soldering.
Have you tried it to compare results?
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Good write-up. It is always good to find the information all in one spot.
I find the soft-mod much easier and cheaper than soldering.
Have you tried it to compare results?
Thank You,
If you follow along the entire post, you will see that I too was looking for all the info in one spot, but I was greeted with massive obstacles and bad links namely with the Xbox-Scene site. In time many of the programs needed received updates and the Xbox Scene documents and instructions were never updated. In addition because of the latter, many sites were no longer used (or shut down) and there were many many bad links.
The soft-mod IS easier, but not necessarily cheaper. The cost to make the memory stick cable needed to do the soft mod is certainly higher than the actual mod chip itself. (A mod chip can be bought for around $10 to $15 where as only one of the cables needed to perform the soft mod can cost that much already). In addition you have to buy a game to use a game save exploit to create the soft mod. Used the game that is needed could run $5 to $15. (I believe you need either Splinter Cell (original version), or Mech Attack, or 007: Agent Under Fire (original version). Any of these games will work for the soft mod). Then you also need to get a memory stick, and there you have it, the soft mod is actually MORE expensive than the hard, or chip mod.
However, I do hear your point about soldering. I happen to be an electronics technician for 20+ years, so needless to say, I am very experienced around a soldering iron.
I was going to initially do a soft mod because I had a version 1.6 Xbox at first and these are nearly impossible to do solder work on. But the Xbox's DVD rom failed within a few days of initial testing. Since I bought the Xbox at PlayNTrade and didn't open it yet, I returned it and they gave me a version 1.0 box. At first I was groaning about that because the original Xbox's use the Thompson DVD drive, which is notorious for being picky. But after discovering that my Maxell DVD-Rs DO read in the Thomson drives, it wasn't too bad.
Word reached my ear that the Xbox 1.0 is the EASIEST to perform a chip mod on and after reading the instructions for the chip mod, I realized that it was WAY faster (and to a certain extent easier) for me to do than soft-modding.
Now, if you follow along in the post above, and look for posts made by Tightwad, he successfully accomplished a soft mod. You might want to drop him a PM for instructions on a soft mod.
I eventually will make a soft-mod post, but the first post I would to do is a soft-mod when using another chip-mod Xbox. As with a regular soft-mod, by right you can't, update the hard drive, but if you have a chipped Xbox already, then it is possible to set up a soft-mod box with a larger hard drive and get it so that the soft modded box sees the new hard drive as the original (locking the drive).
I have two chip modded Xbox's myself. One has the original HD and I intend to use it for a Mame cabinet project. The other Xbox has a 300gig HD installed and that one is mainly used for XBMC to play movies that I set up for theater events I set up in my home using a digital video projector.
Again, just go back and read Tightwad's posts as he does outline how he got his Xbox going with a soft-mod.
Hope that helps!
Geo
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I agree with you. However the economics are affected by how many one is doing. Every chip mod requires one to buy another chip and spend disassemble and soldering time. Whereas once one has Splinter Cell, memory card, and SoftMod dvd, one can mod as many as one wants for the same investment.
I was thinking about making a "kit" available but I think that the shipping cost would be very close to buying the pieces.
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I've hard modded about 20 Xbox's the lazy way. (wont work for 1.6's) . I would run the splinter cell softmod. then i would bridge the TSOP contacts with conductive ink (Defogger repair kit $5 at any auto store) and then run slayers disc to flash the eprom. then all i had to do was put in a bigger drive and run the disc again to install xbmc. Got to a point i could do the whole think in about 10 mins, 6 of those installing the xmbc at the end. Sure beat the heck out of the old days of doing everything manualy.
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The splinter cell softmod is what I have been using also. I found that the base softmod and game exploit would fit on a standard memory card. (No need for a usb stick mod.) Then boot to Auto Installer Deluxe and complete the install.
BTW, if one goes to gamestop.com and search for xbox memory they can see if a local store has any. I bought some yesterday at half price about $1.00 depending on if one wants microsoft ones or not.
i would bridge the eprom contacts with conductive ink (Defogger repair kit $5 at any auto store) and then run slayers disc to flash the eprom.
I have not modified the eprom. What is the advantage of doing that?
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Geo,
I would lose the links on that write-up.
CoinOPS is illegal. It is made with the Microsoft XDK.
The rules of the board does not allow links to illegal files.
Otherwise a good write up.
Good work. :applaud:
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The Eprom (TSOP) is where the system bios resides. Its what the Mod chips override. So if you take a toothpick and dip it in conductive ink, then touch it to 2 places on the motherboard, you can flash the same hacked bios files for modchips, directly to the onboard eprom and have the same effect as a modchip without having to bother buying and installing a chip. Wont work for 1.6's. Ive never installed a chip permanatly in anything but a 1.6. I do own 1 duoX2 mod chip with the no solder board. i use it on systems with crashed hard drives, but after i build a new drive for it i always flash the eprom.
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OK, I see the process but what I do not understand is what functionality one gets but changing the eeprom.
Why do I want to change the eeprom?
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but isn't the TSOP Flash chip the bios storage device, like you said, but the EEPROM is actually a small 8-pin package an inch or so away from the TSOP that stores things such as the xbox keyvault (hard drive key, console serial, etc.) and system configurations (region locking, etc.)?
(http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/3/recover-locked-hd/eepromlocation.jpg)
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They are both "EEPROMS", just each stores different data. I was refering to the TSOP chip. sorry bout that. Forgot the correct "Scene" terminology.
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I agree with you. However the economics are affected by how many one is doing. Every chip mod requires one to buy another chip and spend disassemble and soldering time. Whereas once one has Splinter Cell, memory card, and SoftMod dvd, one can mod as many as one wants for the same investment.
If you get the chip from the sources I mentioned you could probably purchase what you need for the chip mod for what it would cost you for a single wire, or even the memory stick. So I would say the cost isn't the same for the soft mod, but rather 2 to 3 times more. But granted the advantages are that you don't have to open up the Xbox IF you are content with the stock HD.
I've hard modded about 20 Xbox's the lazy way. (wont work for 1.6's) . I would run the splinter cell softmod. then i would bridge the eprom contacts with conductive ink (Defogger repair kit $5 at any auto store) and then run slayers disc to flash the eprom. then all i had to do was put in a bigger drive and run the disc again to install xbmc. Got to a point i could do the whole think in about 10 mins, 6 of those installing the xmbc at the end. Sure beat the heck out of the old days of doing everything manualy.
Have you posted a procedure on how to do this somewhere?
The splinter cell softmod is what I have been using also. I found that the base softmod and game exploit would fit on a standard memory card. (No need for a usb stick mod.) Then boot to Auto Installer Deluxe and complete the install.
BTW, if one goes to gamestop.com and search for xbox memory they can see if a local store has any. I bought some yesterday at half price about $1.00 depending on if one wants microsoft ones or not.
Yes, I know you can use a memory card and at one time the Game Stops here had them, but the Game Stops by me no longer carry original Xbox products...they are content with selling only Xbox 360 products and have abandoned the original Xbox (and accessories) completely. Now Play-N-Trade is another Game Stop like store and they still carry used Xbox items, however, the memory card is one thing they don't carry. They told me to go look on Amazon or Ebay. Most sources on Amazon list the card for $20 to $25. For that price I could build my own USB cable.
Geo,
I would lose the links on that write-up.
CoinOPS is illegal. It is made with the Microsoft XDK.
The rules of the board does not allow links to illegal files.
Otherwise a good write up.
Good work. :applaud:
Figuring it was Mame based, I thought it was legal. However, now you are going to draw attention to it...grrrrrr. At any rate, isn't the whole Xbox mod thing riding in the shadows of illegality? Anyway it will be a bit before I go back and edit. I still have to finish the document! I am still right now doing some testing on CoinOPs R8 since that version supports vertical mode. But R8 is an add on to R5, so you would need both.
OK, I see the process but what I do not understand is what functionality one gets but changing the eeprom.
Why do I want to change the eeprom?
According to the chip mod install directions that I posted above the only 'flashing' you do is to flash the BIOS...not the EEPROM. The information in the EEPROM is needed to lock the hard drive...so the information that is being changed is on the hard drive's end so you can match IT to the Xbox and EEPROM.
What Smoker is referring to is a different procedure for a different type of hard-mod (chip-less).
Geo
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They are both "EEPROMS", just each stores different data. I was refering to the TSOP chip. sorry bout that. Forgot the correct "Scene" terminology.
Yeah, I'd agree, they're both EEPROMs, but when you start talking about reflashing and xbox eeprom, if you're not specific it brings in a whole bunch of other crap :(
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Yeah, its been so many years sence i read up on any of that stuff that I forgot the terminology, sorry about the confusion.
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its also possible to split the tsop on a v.1 to boot seperate on a switch but that is another story too.
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Geo,
I would lose the links on that write-up.
CoinOPS is illegal. It is made with the Microsoft XDK.
The rules of the board does not allow links to illegal files.
Otherwise a good write up.
Good work. :applaud:
Figuring it was Mame based, I thought it was legal. However, now you are going to draw attention to it...grrrrrr. At any rate, isn't the whole Xbox mod thing riding in the shadows of illegality? Anyway it will be a bit before I go back and edit. I still have to finish the document! I am still right now doing some testing on CoinOPs R8 since that version supports vertical mode. But R8 is an add on to R5, so you would need both.
No I am not being critical, just that it is illegal to post the links to the files. Saint has a rule about it, and Saint would get his hands slapped for having such links available, especially since the MAME guys thinks CoinOPS is a rip off of their work, and doesn't conform to the MAME license as no source code is publicly available. That alone should get the MAME crew seeing blood, even if the the product is a good thing. If CoinOPS was created with the Open XDK then there would be more involvement and I'm sure the MAME crew would adopt it. But at the moment it isn't, so please remove them.
Any custom files for the Xbox that is created by the Xbox XDK is considered illegal, and M$ could have a go and moan about it, even though the platform is completely dead considering there is no Xbox Live.
I'm just advising you of the situation and that it is Saint's board, with Saint paying the bills to keep this site up. :blah: :blah: :blah:
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OK, thread's back with link removed (temporarily?).
Can someone please expand for me on the legality/illegality of CoinOPs? It was developed using the official Microsoft XDK, illegally? What specifically makes this illegal?
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No I am not being critical, just that it is illegal to post the links to the files. Saint has a rule about it, and Saint would get his hands slapped for having such links available, especially since the MAME guys thinks CoinOPS is a rip off of their work, and doesn't conform to the MAME license as no source code is publicly available. That alone should get the MAME crew seeing blood, even if the the product is a good thing. If CoinOPS was created with the Open XDK then there would be more involvement and I'm sure the MAME crew would adopt it. But at the moment it isn't, so please remove them.
CoinOPS appears to be dependent on MAMEoX and the .xbe file is in the directory for CoinOPS. So if it is based on MAMEoX which is freely distributed, I still don't get what makes it illegal.
Any custom files for the Xbox that is created by the Xbox XDK is considered illegal, and M$ could have a go and moan about it, even though the platform is completely dead considering there is no Xbox Live.
Well, as I said before...the whole Xbox modding thing is by right not legal. Neither is possessing roms without the circuit boards, but yet a great many of us here probably do have a great deal of 'illegal' stuff on their machines.
It is all for fun and games and personal use. Now using this stuff for commercial use...well, there I can see the issue.
I'm just advising you of the situation and that it is Saint's board, with Saint paying the bills to keep this site up. :blah: :blah: :blah:
Saint took the time to review the thread and he said he removed a link, but he also is asking the question of the legality of CoinOPs.
OK, thread's back with link removed (temporarily?).
Can someone please expand for me on the legality/illegality of CoinOPs? It was developed using the official Microsoft XDK, illegally? What specifically makes this illegal?
That is exactly what I am wondering as well. As far as I know, CoinOPs was derived from MAMEoX. That seems to be a commonly distributed program for the Xbox. If it is using something from Microsoft, it is probably buried so deep. It just doesn't strike me as something that is blatant as ripping off roms and posting them all over the message board.
Also if legality was really a big issue, why would file hosting sites allow them to be posted in the first place? Wouldn't such sites as Rapidshare and Megaupload take down such illegal material?
Geo
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Also if legality was really a big issue, why would file hosting sites allow them to be posted in the first place? Wouldn't such sites as Rapidshare and Megaupload take down such illegal material?
File hosting sites such as Rapidshare are full of illegal material in my experience. For instance, my book is being pirated on Rapidshare. The policing on such sites is reactive, not proactive, and includes a variety of hoops to jump through. When I inquired about removing my material (I forget which site it was) I was sent a response requiring me to submit proof that I was the copyright holder (I'm not, Wiley Publishing is. I'm just the author) and a threat that takedown requests from non-copyright holders would be subject to lawsuits.
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OK, thread's back with link removed (temporarily?).
Can someone please expand for me on the legality/illegality of CoinOPs? It was developed using the official Microsoft XDK, illegally? What specifically makes this illegal?
Only developers that are licensed by Microsoft may compile code and release binaries (.XBEs) of their software with the XDK, any software released using the XDK by developers that aren't licensed is illegal. Most of the underground homebrew software for the Xbox is compiled using the XDK, and thus is illegal. To address this problem, the OpenXDK project has been started to create an open source replacement for the XDK.
Many people who are supplied with XDKs are required to sign Non-disclosure agreements so they do not disclose any information about Microsoft's development technology.
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Development_Kit)
If you do not believe me then contact Microsoft. I confess of being accountable by adding content to this thread, which can be deemed illegal as you can only run unsigned code on a modded 1st generation Xbox. To break the protections and modding a xbox is a breach of the DMCA. Which makes this thread one big can of worms. Again I am not perfect but do draw a line when content is directly linked to illegal software. The other information given is up to the end user, and is purely for information purposes only, which I hoped that this thread was considered as such. I consider this platform dead, but I wouldn't want to incur any legal expenses by temping fate.
There are no websites that I know of that allow for intentional content. Usually these files are distributed by PM and Rapidshare/Megaupload. I would hate to see Saint get in trouble with his host over such material being directly linked without his permission. And we all should act accordingly if we ever encounter such material being directly linked, by reporting it to a moderator.
I like visiting this site and I learn a lot from this hobby from the contributions of its members. I would hate to see it jeopardized.
I do like the write up Geo, but I think you went overboard with the links.
Perhaps you can host this questionable content on YOUR website instead? ;D
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I like visiting this site and I learn a lot from this hobby from the contributions of its members. I would hate to see it jeopardized.
I do like the write up Geo, but I think you went overboard with the links.
Perhaps you can host this questionable content on YOUR website instead? ;D
Hello AA,
Ehhhh, I dunno. Like I said, it isn't as blatant as ripping entire Xbox DVD's and posting the links here. Technically if we were going to go that deep into determining if Microsoft code is embedded in a program of another creator then it would be safe to say that we should ban all discussions about console modification on these forums as most console mods are considered illegal because they allow you to play copied games on a machine.
I just think you are reading too deep into it. This is all done for fun and for personal use. I would be more cautious if this was to be a commercial venture though, like if I were modding Xbox's for money. Then there WOULD be monetary gain at Microsoft's expense.
So you think that I have too many links? The goal of the document was to reduce the links because that was the initial problem with Xbox-scene. As many of the programs needed were on dead links. You should have seen my first draft at how many links were there! I reduced the links down considerably when I discovered that most of the programs you need to set up the Xbox are right on the AID installer disc. Anyway, I have reduced the links considerably.
However, if you or Saint is bothered by the presence of the Megaupload link to the CoinOPs program, then would linking to the creator's forum (1Emulation.com) be acceptable instead? If not then I can re-write the section just to mention CoinOPS is out there and available, and if they want to use Mame right off the bat then they can use MAMEoX which is on the AID disc. Would that make everyone feel better?
I just want to help here, and not hinder. I do appreciate everyone's help here, especially AA's and Crash's. I am just trying to return the favor since I have received quite a bit of help from this forum and modding the Xbox was perhaps the best thing that I came across since I initially discovered MAME. Right off the bad my modded Xbox helped me out of two situations where I needed a small computer for emulation and for a media center.
Anyway, Saint, you are the boss. Let me know what you want me to do as I would like the thread to remain up as it contains a wealth of information.
AA, If I HAD my own website, I most certainly would create a mod page just like this one. One thing I never learned how to do as of yet was create my own website :(.
I have to run. Time is fun when you are having flies.
Geo
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Xbox-Scene has had eleventy billion direct links to XDK-derived programs for years and they've never been shut down, but thank you for your vigilance, ark_ader.
:cheers:
Really?
Whick XDK are we discussing? The open XDK?
Show me some examples PJ via PM, if you please. All I can find is open source links.
I like visiting this site and I learn a lot from this hobby from the contributions of its members. I would hate to see it jeopardized.
I do like the write up Geo, but I think you went overboard with the links.
Perhaps you can host this questionable content on YOUR website instead? ;D
Hello AA,
Ehhhh, I dunno. Like I said, it isn't as blatant as ripping entire Xbox DVD's and posting the links here. Technically if we were going to go that deep into determining if Microsoft code is embedded in a program of another creator then it would be safe to say that we should ban all discussions about console modification on these forums as most console mods are considered illegal because they allow you to play copied games on a machine.
I just think you are reading too deep into it. This is all done for fun and for personal use. I would be more cautious if this was to be a commercial venture though, like if I were modding Xbox's for money. Then there WOULD be monetary gain at Microsoft's expense.
So you think that I have too many links? The goal of the document was to reduce the links because that was the initial problem with Xbox-scene. As many of the programs needed were on dead links. You should have seen my first draft at how many links were there! I reduced the links down considerably when I discovered that most of the programs you need to set up the Xbox are right on the AID installer disc. Anyway, I have reduced the links considerably.
However, if you or Saint is bothered by the presence of the Megaupload link to the CoinOPs program, then would linking to the creator's forum (1Emulation.com) be acceptable instead? If not then I can re-write the section just to mention CoinOPS is out there and available, and if they want to use Mame right off the bat then they can use MAMEoX which is on the AID disc. Would that make everyone feel better?
I just want to help here, and not hinder. I do appreciate everyone's help here, especially AA's and Crash's. I am just trying to return the favor since I have received quite a bit of help from this forum and modding the Xbox was perhaps the best thing that I came across since I initially discovered MAME. Right off the bad my modded Xbox helped me out of two situations where I needed a small computer for emulation and for a media center.
Anyway, Saint, you are the boss. Let me know what you want me to do as I would like the thread to remain up as it contains a wealth of information.
AA, If I HAD my own website, I most certainly would create a mod page just like this one. One thing I never learned how to do as of yet was create my own website :(.
I have to run. Time is fun when you are having flies.
Geo
We are not talking about ripping roms or DVDs or anything of the sort. Well.....we are in some respects....
Maybe you can ask a Mamedev his/her opinion for a definitive answer? MameDox was not open source and illegal to download.
And yes a link to another website would have been better. ;D
It's not my site so I cannot pass judgment on the OP rights but I do know the rules here, on the other hand I would not want to go soliciting for a C&D for Saint either.
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Yeah, I'm personally accustomed to XS's vigilance regarding non-dmca conforming links. The mods there are notorious for the scrutiny that the hold on the matter. :/
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Show me some examples PJ via PM, if you please.
Why?
Because I think you are talking total ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.
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I'm with you on this AA, ignore PinballJim and his thread crapping ;)
...and PBJ (PinballJim, PeanutbutterJam, PeanutgalleryJim, etc.) put up or shut up? If you've been around XS forums enough to say it's riddled with illegal download links, it shouldn't be hard to find any, I'm sure.... right?
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We are not talking about ripping roms or DVDs or anything of the sort. Well.....we are in some respects....
Maybe you can ask a Mamedev his/her opinion for a definitive answer? MameDox was not open source and illegal to download.
Well, it was like I mentioned above. TECHNICALLY, a mod-chip is illegal because it allows you to play copied games. But another fact you pointed out was that Microsoft is no longer making money on the original Xbox. They have ceased support for it completely. Even used stores such as Game Stop rarely carry used Xbox gear (in my area). Only Play-N-Trade is still selling Xbox gear.
Now I am very well aware that mod chips were made when the Xbox WAS in full swing. But now I just think it is a moot point because Microsoft is concentrating it's efforts on the 360.
So I guess then if MAMEoX is illegal then it would follow the same suit for CoinOPs. MAMEoX comes on the AID 4.50 disc and I am sure there are quite a few illegal things on that disc.
And yes a link to another website would have been better. ;D
Well, if Saint requests me to change it, I will. I just think the platform is SO dead, I don't think it will be an issue.
Reading this entire thread and my document clearly explains modding the Xbox for the use of MAME and also XBMC. It isn't a blatant discussion on how to mod your Xbox to intentionally defeat the copy protection and how to copy Xbox games with multiple links to where each and every single game for the Xbox could be downloaded. THAT is a serious no no.
But again, if Saint wants me to change it, then I will. Right now I just want to FINISH the document! Now that it is back up I can do so.
Geo
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I'm with you on this AA, ignore PinballJim and his thread crapping ;)
I'm not the one trying to get the thread closed, moran.
There's links all over the main page on xbox-scene that take you directly to websites that have downloads using XDK, I'm looking at least half a dozen right now. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge instructions all over the place on how to get to the xbins server, and there isn't a program on there that's non-XDK.
I got a $1 that says ark's unmarried, nuff said.
Keep up the good work, jukingeo, I'm looking forward to your completed guide.
We are not discussing links to websites are we?
You typed that you had links on XS that had MS-XDK links directly at source as Geo did with RS.
Please PJ read the posts and answer accordingly. ::)
And no I am not married, unless miss perfect shows up. ;D
Thanks for your interest though! :D
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Hello guys,
Please don't argue, as it is I really didn't want the discussion of legalities to enter this already extremely long thread. Goodness knows that it has already went on several tangents. If everyone prefers, then when I post the final part of the document up, I will change the link to just point to the CoinOPs forum. I really don't want arguments here.
Not to feed into the argument, but I have to say that Ark_Ader has helped me out tremendously with the Xbox mods. Initially it was Crashwg who helped me get started on the project with getting all the materials. But Crash was in the middle of a move and then Ark_Ader came in and helped me the rest of the way. So being that I only have modded two Xbox's I am sure you guys know a helluva lot more about the Xbox than I do.
I am sure there is a section where you guys can exchange words on the legalities. But still I am not really for the arguments. Up to now this has been an outstanding forum and I would like to see it stay that way.
AA did point out a potential issue in regards to the legality of the one link I posted but it does kind of fall along the lines of two points:
1) Anything connected with the discussion of modifying an Xbox by right is illegal. Microsoft took action by banning those with modded machines from Xbox Live. Yet there are tons of talk about modding Xbox's. In fact if it wasn't for the mention of the ability to mod the Xbox here in this thread, I wouldn't have known you COULD do such a thing.
2) On the side of the Xbox modder's defense: The Xbox is a dead format and is no longer supported by Microsoft. They completely cut the thing off when they came out with the 360. So outside of doing something on a commercial level, or blatantly ripping games and posting them directly on the site...I don't think it is a major issue.
However, if this turns into a heated debate here, it MIGHT draw unwanted attention, which I am sure no one wants.
So just to be on the safe side, I will change the link when I put up the last part of the document. But if Saint feels that it isn't a big deal, then I will leave the link. But right now that is up to him as it is his website. Naturally I will comply with whatever he wants me to do.
But please, just lets settle down and talk about the fun stuff we are all good at and that is making arcade games. I just would hate to see Saint getting upset with the bickering and shut this thread down, or worse, we loose a valuable member of the forum due to an argument.
Ok, 'nuff said.
Getting back to business, I am hoping to get the final part of the document up this weekend. I will have Saint go though it to make sure it is fine and hopefully he can make a sticky of the document so this way everyone will have a good source and good instructions for setting up an Xbox for the use of Mame and XBMC.
So once again I do have to thank everyone that contributed to this thread because it is really such a wonderful thing to have found out about modding the Xbox. It is a beautiful replacement for a large computer system and it answers so many little issues when setting up a small Mame cabinet. In addition the Xbox does make a great media center that blows away any store bought unit or DVD player. It has helped me tremendously with my 'movie nights' where I can put together a whole evening of events in the XBMC playlist player and all I have to do is "sit back and enjoy the show".
So everyone have a good weekend!
Geo
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Modding an Xbox isn't illegal. It violates the warranty and terms of service but it isn't illegal.
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Modding an Xbox isn't illegal. It violates the warranty and terms of service but it isn't illegal.
If you are using a bios that uses code from MS then it is, and any bios that allows you to play Xbox games is gonna be illegal.
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coinops mame mameox fceultra daphne xbins and any other emu fall under the same don't matter if they are pc xbox playstation ipad whatever.
a link to any of them is no different then the next.
mame is mame and they have nothing to do with coinops or they would have already done something with them mame is also in no posistion to go after any other emu's becuase what there doing is illegal also or it would be on store shelve's everywhere as we speak.
and yes x-s is tattered in links to illegal things try to find some xbins links that are everywhere and see where they go lol I mean come on now..
and with this mame non-sense can anyone post a legit link where the mame team had actually taken anyone to a real court room for anything emu related besides their name and logo? I don't mean so and so taking mame to court I mean the mame team where they are the plantiff and going after someone for something beside's their name and logo wich they have a right to claim but nothing else is theirs legally that I can tell anyhow..
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coinops mame mameox fceultra daphne xbins and any other emu fall under the same don't matter if they are pc xbox playstation ipad whatever.
a link to any of them is no different then the next.
mame is mame and they have nothing to do with coinops or they would have already done something with them mame is also in no posistion to go after any other emu's becuase what there doing is illegal also or it would be on store shelve's everywhere as we speak.
and yes x-s is tattered in links to illegal things try to find some xbins links that are everywhere and see where they go lol I mean come on now..
and with this mame non-sense can anyone post a legit link where the mame team had actually taken anyone to a real court room for anything emu related besides their name and logo? I don't mean so and so taking mame to court I mean the mame team where they are the plantiff and going after someone for something beside's their name and logo wich they have a right to claim but nothing else is theirs legally that I can tell anyhow..
Again we are not talking about the MameDevs suing anyone, nor are we discussing links to other websites that have MS-XDK material. CoinOPS is built from MameDox which is created with a MS-XDK. I haven't seen anyone sued for downloading MS-XDKs, nor do I want to be the first. ;)
With regards to your legal argument, I am no lawyer, but if you PM/submit your postal address with your actual name, I would be happy to forward your suggestion to a friend of mine, who works for Microsoft, and whom can locate a suitable person to provide you a response to your query. If it is a MameDev query, I am sure Haze could answer. But this topic has already been discussed (http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=214520&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1) on another forum.
I think the platform is dead and nearly buried, and to be honest couldn't care less who does what. What I object to is linking to file hosting sites that contain illegal software to this site. The thread is really good info for those who like to take the Xbox to a new level, I just hate it to be trashed because of some dumb links. Geo has done a good write up.
Personally I live in one big greenhouse and restrict myself from throwing any stones when inside. ;D
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I was not trying to argue nor ask any questions just posting basic facts is all.
no emu guys are going to go after another its like a robber trying to sue the home owner becuase they cut themselve's on the way in from the window they broke to get in and more then likely they bit off more then they can chew when it hits the court if they were dumb enough to even try.
care to post a link to whatever your talking about then?... taking who ever to court or having any site shutdown for what reason again and where has this happened before?
I guess I am lost on where your coming/talking from here and would like to see some links of whatever your threating others about here becuase I have never heard nor seen anything like it from something like an emu team and would love to see some facts over opinion.
what makes you think any emu differ's from the next from mameox mame fceultra pcsx and the other hundred or so that are out there with links everywhere some from one right to the other etc...
I know MS dont approve of non MS emu's so I have no reason to ask them either nor sony or nintendo etc.. what does 1 emu hold over the next 20+ for the same console but this one single one cannot be linked to again and what makes it so special over all the others again?
links and file hosting are two very different things ya know.
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I was not trying to argue nor ask any questions just posting basic facts is all.
no emu guys are going to go after another its like a robber trying to sue the home owner becuase they cut themselve's on the way in from the window they broke to get in and more then likely they bit off more then they can chew when it hits the court if they were dumb enough to even try.
care to post a link to whatever your talking about then?... taking who ever to court or having any site shutdown for what reason again and where has this happened before?
I guess I am lost on where your coming/talking from here and would like to see some links of whatever your threating others about here becuase I have never heard nor seen anything like it from something like an emu team and would love to see some facts over opinion.
what makes you think any emu differ's from the next from mameox mame fceultra pcsx and the other hundred or so that are out there with links everywhere some from one right to the other etc...
I know MS dont approve of non MS emu's so I have no reason to ask them either nor sony or nintendo etc.. what does 1 emu hold over the next 20+ for the same console but this one single one cannot be linked to again and what makes it so special over all the others again?
links and file hosting are two very different things ya know.
Ahh OK I understand now.
In Geo's excellent write up he included some links to a file hosting service that was posted by somebody else in another forum. Since the files use MS-XDK which follows the rule on this board that states:
5. Nothing illegal! Do I even need to explain this one? Need a ROM to repair an arcade board you own? Fine to talk about. Need a ROM to complete your MAME collection? Don't bother to post here. If someone posts such a request, please don't answer it -- no direct answers, no hints, no private messages.
That is where we are right now. All I know is Mame ROMs and MS-XDKs are technically the same.
PJ states that these MS-XDK files are available in quantities of eleventy million dotted all around the internet. I have found 12 so far on my travels which means I have some years ahead of me to find the rest. Unfortunately I have not found any that are directly linked to file hosting services, but to dodgy sites that throw up all kinds of warnings from my firewalls. :o
The file(s) in question is CoinOPS and the whole package is rather cool, which hopefully Geo's write-up will explain and show the links to the corresponding sites with more information. :cheers:
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OK, pardon my tardiness in responding. There are two separate questions here. The first is a moral question - is it "good" or "right" to ..... I don't have an opinion I'm willing to share on that, and it is not germane to the discussion here. Your moral decisions are between you, your conscience, and whatever faith you might have.
My perspective for BYOAC is strictly from a legal one, regardless of moral judgements. If use of the SDK was illegal, please do not link the product developed from it.
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OK, pardon my tardiness in responding. There are two separate questions here. The first is a moral question - is it "good" or "right" to ..... I don't have an opinion I'm willing to share on that, and it is not germane to the discussion here.
Thank you Saint.
I know the question of legality has entered the issue here, but I would appreciate it if you guys did take it to another thread more suited for that discussion. In the event that Ark_Ader IS 100% correct (and I am not saying that I doubt his claim either) then the discussion here is just going to attract 'undue' attention. The last thing anyone wants here is someone to start pointing fingers and then all of a sudden Saint gets a visit from Microsoft. So I would appreciate it if you guys didn't argue about it in this thread any longer.
Your moral decisions are between you, your conscience, and whatever faith you might have.
My perspective for BYOAC is strictly from a legal one, regardless of moral judgements. If use of the SDK was illegal, please do not link the product developed from it.
On that note, as much as I personally think the Xbox is a dead issue and format I HAVE edited the links to the forum discussion on CoinOps instead of leaving the direct link to the actual location of the file. That forum doesn't have a direct link to CoinOps either (which does kind of reinforce what Ark_Ader is saying) so it it will make it much harder to find it now. But you can ask there.
So, sorry guys, the boss has spoken and I certainly don't want to have him shut this thread down or worse, get into a situation that could force this entire site to be shut down. So 'nuff on the legality discussion. The link is now gone.
Thank You,
Geo
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OK, pardon my tardiness in responding. There are two separate questions here. The first is a moral question - is it "good" or "right" to ..... I don't have an opinion I'm willing to share on that, and it is not germane to the discussion here.
Thank you Saint.
I know the question of legality has entered the issue here, but I would appreciate it if you guys did take it to another thread more suited for that discussion. In the event that Ark_Ader IS 100% correct (and I am not saying that I doubt his claim either) then the discussion here is just going to attract 'undue' attention. The last thing anyone wants here is someone to start pointing fingers and then all of a sudden Saint gets a visit from Microsoft. So I would appreciate it if you guys didn't argue about it in this thread any longer.
Your moral decisions are between you, your conscience, and whatever faith you might have.
My perspective for BYOAC is strictly from a legal one, regardless of moral judgments. If use of the SDK was illegal, please do not link the product developed from it.
On that note, as much as I personally think the Xbox is a dead issue and format I HAVE edited the links to the forum discussion on CoinOps instead of leaving the direct link to the actual location of the file. That forum doesn't have a direct link to CoinOps either (which does kind of reinforce what Ark_Ader is saying) so it it will make it much harder to find it now. But you can ask there.
So, sorry guys, the boss has spoken and I certainly don't want to have him shut this thread down or worse, get into a situation that could force this entire site to be shut down. So 'nuff on the legality discussion. The link is now gone.
Thank You,
Geo
I really do apologize Geo if I have given the wrong impression, but I think the entire talk of modding a Xbox as shown in this thread is something that is quite different than breaking open a console controller and wiring up a joystick and some buttons, which this site is dedicated to. Hacking a closed proprietary system is a breach of the DMCA. What you do in private in your own home is up to you.
Personally I do not think a write up is necessary regarding the modding of xboxes as there are several websites that document this process to oblivion. There again I really enjoyed your write up on the subject.
Nobody is arguing about dead console platforms, but what you have contributed into the thread, which was added by yourself that was later deemed illegal. To be honest, you did not ask to post the links - you thought it was your right to do so. We know the story about good intentions, and I do understand your fervor about documenting your personal experiences. You should have shown restraint after the fact and edited them out.
Personally I really do not care to see threads about hacking consoles, who can hack them for you (i.e. providing a service) on this message board, except about hacking controllers. The moral question regarding if you can do something should not even enter the equation. There is enough of it going on without it being blatant and showing step-by-step.
With regard to trouble, well let us put it this way: You know who is reading this thread by the replies, but you do not know who is just reading. I would not think that any harm could be done, but again this site is about building arcade cabs and controllers, not hacking consoles. AFAIK.
This is not my message board, but if it was I would want to distance myself from these types of discussions, considering the implications that could be involved. Remember we should think of Saint first before any personal agenda, and it is quite apparent that this wasn't the case regarding those links.
I'm all for hacking consoles I own, but I draw the line on making available illegal content. Incidentally I Google-d CoinOPS and it was just one click away, so I cannot understand why you linked to the xbe. ::)
My last hypocritical 2p on the subject. :D