For about $1400 you can get a brand spanking new Dynamo 25" WITH a WG monitor, power supply, and JAMMA harness installed. To quote a more famous member of these forums...
*shrug*
But if Kevin Steele likes a SlikStik product, how could you go wrong? Can't wait to read the review! :)
It looks like a great product, but the price for the bare-bones model still seems a bit high. I've been looking at the one over at http://www.arcadeshopper.com/mame/mamekits.htm that is SlikStik-compatible for $400. To me that seems like a better price point.I did mention the guy.
This is a religious argument. Either you're in the market for the kind of product that SlikStik is selling or your not and arguments about "how much is too much" don't apply if you really aren't interested in buying a pre-fab cab anyway.
I'm probably in SlikStik's target market for this product. And for me it comes down to whether the product lives up to the hype. If the build quality is as good as they suggest and it's easy to assemble, easy to transport, and it looks good, I'd shell out $1100 for it.
Hell, if it's a good product, professionally designed and manufactured, then you have to pay for the "overhead" of the CNC machines, design effort, etc. And keep in mind that this will never be a truly high volume product, so they can't make it up in volume. They need to get a fair price for each unit they sell.
But frankly, I'll wait to order mine until the more adventuresome of you post your reviews of the product. ;)
Howard,This is a religious argument. Either you're in the market for the kind of product that SlikStik is selling or your not and arguments about "how much is too much" don't apply if you really aren't interested in buying a pre-fab cab anyway.
I'm probably in SlikStik's target market for this product. And for me it comes down to whether the product lives up to the hype. If the build quality is as good as they suggest and it's easy to assemble, easy to transport, and it looks good, I'd shell out $1100 for it.
Hell, if it's a good product, professionally designed and manufactured, then you have to pay for the "overhead" of the CNC machines, design effort, etc. And keep in mind that this will never be a truly high volume product, so they can't make it up in volume. They need to get a fair price for each unit they sell.
But frankly, I'll wait to order mine until the more adventuresome of you post your reviews of the product. ;)
I normally don't get into these arguments but the points you bring up beg to be corrected.
Overhead i'll give you, but the raw materials for that design couldn't cost over about 300 bucks. If you notice, many of the things that lilwolf mentioned are absent on this cab.... all it has are 5 dollar roller rails and t-molding. Of course depending upon the coin door that it comes with, and the deal they are getting, that could jack up the price. The construction of this kit is most likely completely automated, so there is very little effort. The design is luscid's. I know they modified it a tad, but it truely is.
I'm not saying it's a bad product mind you, but if you are going to market it to the "do it yourself'ers" then it's overpriced. You don't even throw in marquee retainers or speaker grills. If I were to buy your kit and assumingly buy a slikstik from you it would take approx 600-800 dollars more to finish it, and that's assuming I put a really cheap pc in it and got a deal on the arcade monitor. For 1800 bucks you can get a quite nice dynamo cab that would only need an jpac, arcadevga and pc. You can even get a not so nice, complete dynamo for around 400 bucks. But getting away from that.
Those that don't want to do anything themselves aren't going to like it either as they can buy a hotrod system which requires no effort on their part for a similar price. Now keep in mind, I hate hotrod products, so I'm kind of impartial on this. I happen to like your design better, but if I were to choose, I would at least get a cab with a monitor. Afterall, that's the hardest part for newbies to aquire (or at least aquire the proper one and get it hooked up and mounted).
Anyway, enough bashing. When you have a hard time selling these and lower your price to something more reasonable let us know. :)
Total Cost of Materials ~ $335
Ok, now... take in a discount for buying in bulk, and you prolly save about $30-$50 per cab, I would say the materials are about $300 to build the Lite Cabinet.
Now, you need to take in quality assurance, packaging, but if these are done by the owners, then the remaining $600 Dollars per cabinet (of the lite model) is all profit.
Lets see....
Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150
Lets see....
Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150
take out cost of laminate ;).
I think they use black formica board.
I mean you know...companies use black formica boards for mass produced cabinets(like hanaho).
unless I am wrong(could be)
I STILL think the price is reasonable.
Imagine having your own cabinet without having to buy any tools,parts,cutting,building,this,that. :)
Lets see....
Wood MDF 4' x 8'~ $20 x 3 = $60
Laminate 4' x 8' ~ $50 x 3 = $150
Screws, Glue, Hinges ~ $30 x 1 = $30
Rollar Drawer Slide ~ $20 x 1 = $20
T-Molding 20' ~ $15 x 3 = $45
Bracket for Monitor ~ $30 x 1 = $30
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Total Cost of Materials ~ $335
Ok, now... take in a discount for buying in bulk, and you prolly save about $30-$50 per cab, I would say the materials are about $300 to build the Lite Cabinet.
Now, you need to take in quality assurance, packaging, but if these are done by the owners, then the remaining $600 Dollars per cabinet (of the lite model) is all profit.
This is a 300% Markup... Which is realistic if you use the high price, low volume market strategy, though 200% is more common, but most companies have something Slik Stik doesnt have much of... Competition. With XArcades design being very unaesthetic, the market for a Arcade Case is very shallow. Arcade PC sells the whole cabinet, and GRock uses Ultimate Arcade II Design, which doesnt appeal to a lot of people because it doesnt look like an arcade machine you would find at an arcade. Slick Sticks however is a basic Midway design, which just happens to be the same as LuSiD's, as LuSiD designed his after a midway Cabinet...
Yes, the cabinets are Overpriced, but they are overpriced because there is no reason for them to lower their price, its not like people are going to find a different supplier, because there isnt one. The only way to get them to lower their prices is the classic consumer action.... Dont buy it. They will get tired of not selling any, and eventually they will accept a lower profit, its that simple.
Lastly, I can assure you that the cab is not Lucids design; it is fully designed after the midway mortal combat II machine which we purchased as a starting point and modified it to our liking. We think the mortal combat II machine design is very generic but is a great classic machine.
Lol!
"We didn't steal the design from Lucid, we stole it from Midway!"
Ha!
Lastly, I can assure you that the cab is not Lucids design; it is fully designed after the midway mortal combat II machine which we purchased as a starting point and modified it to our liking. We think the mortal combat II machine design is very generic but is a great classic machine.
Lol!
"We didn't steal the design from Lucid, we stole it from Midway!"
Ha!
Like Kelsey "stole" the design of his new Tempest spinner from Atari? What's your point?
Sheesh...
Kevin
Dude, that's the second time that someone else has offered "critism" towards you or Christian, and you bring up my name. Don't poke the bear.... ;)
My point was that it seems that SlikStik is being condemned for something that is a non-factor: i.e., the "copying". I thought it was a cheap shot, especially considering the whole point of retrogaming is reproducing stuff that has already been created once.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong -- in fact, that was part of what I was trying to point out: there's nothing wrong with copying the designs of the past that have worked.
I think you've created some really great products. I also think the same of Christian at SlikStik. Somehow, though, he's managed to rub a lot of people here the wrong way, and now I'm apparently guilty by association.
(Oh, and I won't comment on your "beariness" until I've seen a photo of you. ::) )
Kevin
Aye, mate, I only speaks in jest! Methinks we can settle it over a bottle o' rum and some wenchin' & pillaging, tho! ;)
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....
what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...
SlikStik-Christian
SlikStik-kevsteele
Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.
If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.
Two most active posters on any slikstik thread...
SlikStik-Christian
SlikStik-kevsteele
Odd. Very Very Odd. Oh, and comparing OSCAR to Christian is kind of unfair. OSCAR helps people out so much (both on and off the site) that he COULD start selling cabinets built EXACTLY to Lusids specs, and no one would meep.
If you have to ask why, you will most likely never understand.
Dear SlikStik-kevsteele,
As you yourself observed earlier in this thread, you ARE starting to sound more like an salesman with every post. I believe though, that a more correct term would be SlikStik's Official Unofficial Apologist. And I mean Apologist in the classical, dictionary sense. Of course, if this were a prison or a schoolyard, there would be an entirely different term used to describe your relationship. However, that word isn't really appropriate for these forums.
I assume this is what you meant when you asked me ever so kindly to "put up"?
Three cheers for put-ing!
I'm done on this thread, btw :) Have at me.
Not at liberty to disclose manufacturing costs, thats cute...
I just find it cute, because if you goto the omnicient Google and type CNC Mill "For Sale", for some reason... suddenly it becomes appearent that you can purchase a mill for less then 20,000 naturally they are usually refurbished, or used, but the point is one can be had without spending a lot, and most NICE cars are 20-50 thousand... So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.
Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations. I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.
So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit. So, what is it? Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?
1. Christian and Kevin have every right to post here.
2. EVERYONE is tired of users being personally attacked in this public forum.
3. You have been warned before IIOIOOIOO.
It is my decision that you may not post for 3 days. You must also make Kevin BELIEVE you are sorry via email or IM. This is your final warning. Next time your account will be banned and deleted.
AGAIN THIS FORUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR PROBLEMS YOU HAVE WITH ANOTHER PERSON.
So I stand by my statement, if you choose to spend an ubsurd amount of money getting your things cut, then the reason you have a low profit percentage is poor decisions on your part.
Now, I have yet to say that people shouldnt buy your Cabinet, something you are slowly convincing me I should say, not because of quality reasons, but because of the obvious bad business decisions, and poor customer relations. I merely stated that they ARE overpriced, which point blank they are, and that if you didnt have the money to buy one, then you can simply exercise your right not to buy one, which is the very core of capitalism my friend.
So, you may not be able to tell us manufacturing costs, (yeah, whatever...) but I know you can tell us your gross profit. So, what is it? Why should we choose your cabinet over other options?
...... Naturally Market competition is the normal comparision for a company to judge their costs, i.e. how much to allow for overhead, how much to mark up, and how much to target the price for the consumer. Unfortunantly, in this case there is not enough of a "Market" to be able to do competition research, which means that the comparision must be done on cost to build the goods. I.E. The cost to buy should be wieghed by the cost to build, and since the cost to build such a cabinet is nowhere near the asking price, it is obvious that the offer is neither cost effective for the cosumer, nor of any great benefit. ....
No the cab is great! I don't think anyone has a problem with it. It's the price associated with it. :) For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original. I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.
Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price. That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people. :)
No the cab is great! I don't think anyone has a problem with it. It's the price associated with it. :) For the price most people would expect something either a tad more "complete" or a tad more original. I happen to like the luscid design (which is also based literally on the mk2 cab, you took what I said the wrong way christian) but I also happen to know that it's a basic enough design that anyone with decent woodworking skills could whip out in no time.
Quality is also way up there. There is no doubt it's a great cab..... if you'll look back at the posts, most of them simply say that it's not worth the price. That doesn't mean that it's bad, that just means that it's not 1000$ worth of goodness to most people. :)
ok i gotta jump in with a slightly OT....
what does everyone hate about the xarcade cab ? no coindoor? the shelves? ???
Amra,
We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.
The same economics that were used to decide how to price our panels were used to price our cabs, we look at the cost of materials, the labor involved, overhead, and then we look at how much time it will save a busy person that earns 30 - 60 dollars per hour, hence if it saves that busy person 24 - 140 hours of labor then it is a good deal to that target market. Ten hours of that customers time is worth $300, free time is worth twice that because it is at a premium, and that
SirPoonga,
We have seen the Hanaho cab, $599.95 for the cab, $199.95 for the stand to make it the size of our cab, it's made of melamine not covered in formica, add $100 for material and labor there, add a happ coin door and we think we are right in line with that pricing no? And I have to admit, if I had to choose between that cab that fits a 25" monitor and our cab which fits a 27" monitor, and between the looks of the SlikStik cab and that one, I would happily pay the $100 difference in price to get the SlikStik cab.
Jerry Mascari
SLIKSTIK
That cab was your comparison not mine :) all I did was show you that it is not such a bargain compared to ours.
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.
That's not an extra $200 to create the cabinet that way.
I think they're trying to say that it costs $200 to buy the 10" extension stand for the Hanaho cab (according to the Hanaho web site), not that it would cost SlikStik $200 to add 10" (most likely much less ;) )
http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html (http://arcadewerx.com/Ultra/options.html)
In other words, the Hanaho DIY cab ($600) + Hanaho 10" stand ($200) = $100 less than the SlikStik "lite" cab.
Kevin
Exactly. It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10". The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more. There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet. So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same. But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.
Exactly. It isn't $200 manufacturing cost just to make the Werks with that extra 10". The 10" extension is a marketing ploy to make the consumer pay more. There is overhead when having more tha one piece instead of one piece which it could be, like SlikStik's cabinet. So to the consumer to turn the Werks into the SlikStik cabinet will cost the same. But think then if SlikStik was cheaper because it should be able to it would "steal" business from hanaho for those people who want all the frills.
Probably so - I don't doubt that SlikStik would seriously cut into the Hanaho cab sales at the same price point.
I wonder how many sales Hanaho has had of their Werx cabs? They seem to be doing well with their "premium" cabs - it certainly doesn't seem to hurt them that they've been getting their cabs into the locker rooms of some pro baseball teams!
Now that's well-targeted marketing! :)
Kevin
There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs... Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet (unless you want to consider packaging Labor, which im sure takes an hour or two at least, but labor cost for packaging is not even comparable to labor per hour for a master craftsman...)
It just depends on how you look at it I suppose :)
We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.
my $0.02.
We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.
my $0.02.
Amen, brother. That's probably the best point made so far in this thread. Isn't this hobby a lot more fun with great products and lots of choices? The cool stuff that Kelsey is building, Christian's products, and the guy who sells the Tron repro handles are just a few examples of this.
We're lucky these guys are willing to devote their talents to this stuff. Most commercial enterprises would look right past this tiny market.
We should be encouraging the small business owner to support this hobby.
my $0.02.
Amen, brother. That's probably the best point made so far in this thread. Isn't this hobby a lot more fun with great products and lots of choices? The cool stuff that Kelsey is building, Christian's products, and the guy who sells the Tron repro handles are just a few examples of this.
We're lucky these guys are willing to devote their talents to this stuff. Most commercial enterprises would look right past this tiny market.
This is the best turn this thread has taken, lets keep it this way. If people that actually have an interest in promoting and furthering the hobby are are scorned and shunned upon, what will be left?
Quite frankly, I'm ashamed of some of the comments made in this thread. I know that BYOAC'ers are better than this. Let's start to act like it.
I am still having hard time "understanding" the reason why everyone's bashing the product ! WTF (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif) ?No, not bashing the product. The product is pretty damn cool. It's the price, it isn't targetted for this croud.
I am sure there is market for cabinets(just not around here).Actually, this would be the market for it since they posted the info here.
Good luck on the product ! ;D
Man, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth. Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot? Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding? Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping? Robot QC? There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object. I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you. Get real.
QuoteMan, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth. Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot? Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding? Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping? Robot QC? There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object. I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you. Get real.
True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc. But that person is usually a low paid average joe, working both hours on the CNC Mill for six to eight bucks an hour, he is not some master craftman earning 50 dollars an hour. I never said that there wasnt, but then we dont know the situation either.
Heres an Example, lets say Christian /owns/ a Mill, and already has a surplus of wood availible (from business with the control panels), and lets say he loads the wood himself onto the mill, inspects it and sends it on the way.
Now, logically this makes more sence, if this Job is Christians bread and butter like he makes it out to be, then for him to NOT own a mill would be... lacking... to say the least. Now, he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself. Now, since we are adding in cell phones, payroll and such, then this must be a full fledged business as you have to have licences, meaning that these arcade cabinets are also putting food on the table and paying the rent as well, if thats true then owning a Mill is not a good Idea, its neccessary, because the cost would be far too prohibitive otherwise, thus the profit would hardly be enough for anything, much less payroll, electricity bills, cell phones, etc.
The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.
Now, I would also like to point out, that my entire "argueing" has been centered around the price (and all things related). I have not "bashed the product" I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.
Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.
And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.
The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as
Can I get a group hug ;D
QuoteMan, you just love to argue, even if it means ignoring the obvious truth. Yeah, the sides are cut out on a CNC, but are they loaded on there by a robot? Does a robot measure, cut and install the t-molding? Does a robot gather and check all the miscellaneous bits and pieces and prep for shipping? Robot QC? There has to be some kind of manual labor involved in the manufacture of ANY physical object. I don't know how much, or what it costs for slikstik, but it exists, I assure you. Get real.
True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc. But that person is usually a low paid average joe, working both hours on the CNC Mill for six to eight bucks an hour, he is not some master craftman earning 50 dollars an hour. I never said that there wasnt, but then we dont know the situation either.
Heres an Example, lets say Christian /owns/ a Mill, and already has a surplus of wood availible (from business with the control panels), and lets say he loads the wood himself onto the mill, inspects it and sends it on the way.
Now, logically this makes more sence, if this Job is Christians bread and butter like he makes it out to be, then for him to NOT own a mill would be... lacking... to say the least. Now, he can hire any old slob to load the machine for 6 bucks an hour, under the table, or even load it himself. Now, since we are adding in cell phones, payroll and such, then this must be a full fledged business as you have to have licences, meaning that these arcade cabinets are also putting food on the table and paying the rent as well, if thats true then owning a Mill is not a good Idea, its neccessary, because the cost would be far too prohibitive otherwise, thus the profit would hardly be enough for anything, much less payroll, electricity bills, cell phones, etc.
The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.
Now, I would also like to point out, that my entire "argueing" has been centered around the price (and all things related). I have not "bashed the product" I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.
Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.
And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.
The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as
I think it is marvolous that someone is making a quality cabinet for consumer purchase, I just dont believe in robbing people blind, or even willingly.
Again, I commmend Slik Stik for taking initiative to create the product, and such, but once again, what good does their product to the average consumer... after all, most of the people on this website are here to build their own, not have somone sell them one... especially at such an ubsurd price.
And just to reiterate, Im not bashing the product, I think the product is great... just not worth it.
The point is, there is no way logically speaking that the cost is as much as
True, you do have to have somoene to load the wood, remove the wood when finished, etc etc... I never said that there wasnt...
There is no "Labor" involved in cost here, you assemble this product at home, either way YOU are the one whose time ends up gone, not theirs... Thus "Labor" is not a factor in the cost of this cabinet....
The point still remains that they are overpriced, either from stupidity, or due to poor business management.
Why is it that every time a new pre-fab cab is announced, everyone around here goes into hysterics?
And 1up, You should have been able to infer when I said Labor (in Quotes) I was referring to actual construction, of which there is NONE, This doesnt include labor costs such as toting around goods because that type of labor is cheap, unlike constuction labor.
I am still having hard time "understanding" the reason why everyone's bashing the product ! WTF (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/images/smilies/wtf.gif) ?No, not bashing the product. The product is pretty damn cool. It's the price, it isn't targetted for this croud.
That's me, I'm sure the product is great, but something needs to be thoughtout more for hte target market.QuoteI am sure there is market for cabinets(just not around here).Actually, this would be the market for it since they posted the info here.
Good luck on the product ! ;D
I'm done ranting though. I ususally don;t make this much fuss but SlikStik didn;t understand what I was saying right away.
I think people are making a mistake to be comparing what YOU can make a cab at home for, to what a manufacturer has to pay to make one. Your savings come in labor/profit. Without these two things, it's impossible/not worth it to make the product. Yeah, we can all make a cab for the cost of materials and our time, which is free, but once it's gone it's gone.
(Sorry to all vegetarians for my steak = high quality metaphor)
...but if you knew how many 1 time visitors come through BYOAC, stumble on a post or a review of our product line and then buy a product from us then you would understand why we as well as other commercial vendors post here.
I simply said it was Overpriced (because it is), you can fight all you want, but the fact remains that the cab it not meant for majority of the people on this site... so why put it here?
Everyone else: Quit yer bitchin. ;)
Here we go again... I'll tell you what, you make the same exact cabinets we make for $335.00 and I will by them from you all day long.
I would pay 650, slightly more if it recieves good reviews, but thats for the Lite cab, as that (provided you own your own mill) would give you nearly the 300 dollar profit, the price that you saved me due to the 10 hours of cutting, sanding, shaping and drilling that I didnt have to do ( all at a craftsmans rate of 30 dollars an hour). Since I still have to assemble it, I dont see paying you a 600 dollar profit. Again, this is under the assumption you own your own mill, if you dont own one, I am not going to pay you an extra 300 Dollars just because you have to pay someone else to cut the stuff for you, that is your fault, not mine...
Ok, Im done ranting... I promise :)
Good Luck once again!
You still havent said whether you own or rent a mill... Wonder why that is :)Because it's nobodies business, and it has nothing to do with what the price "should" be?
Amra,
If you are still in college, do yourself a favor and enroll in a business course this coming semester. Heck, even an econ course would do, or accounting. Your "everything costs too much" stress would decrease enough to lower your blood pressure. Profit is never equal to the difference between materials cost and selling price.
Personally, I cannot afford the nearly $1300 this cabinet costs after delivery fees. However, if I could afford it, I would likely buy it as it looks like a good product and would save me hours and hours and hours of work. I could have had a fully functional MAME cabinet in weeks instead of the months it is taking me now...and I wouldn't have had to "mame" (heheheh) a classic Galaxian cabinet (yes I feel shame).
Christian, is there any chance of offering customized cabinets in the future? My plans for my next MAME machine involve the EA Sports PGA Tour Golf cabinet design, which I think is a beautiful modern cabinet and would allow for some innovative modular control panel designs.
You still havent said whether you own or rent a mill... Wonder why that is :)
HEhe, you mean objective response :) Hey, without feedback companies don't know if their product needs a change or not :)
He has said before that a mill costs 'more than a new car', which most people would assume means that they own one.
These items aren't shoes, food or toilet paper. You don't need to buy these things. State your opinion, move on and vote with your wallet. It's the only real power you have as a consumer.
My seven cents :)
RandyT
2500+ views! :o
At least these cabs are getting a lot of publicity!
Amra,
We did not post our news in this forum to get into a mudslinging fest with the hardcore do-it-yourselfers. We simply posted it because we have a good product at a fair price point and we know from our experience as the makers of THE Best commercial control panel available that there is a market for it. Many people have priced out panel parts and looked at the amount of time involved and have decided that it is easier and more feasible to buy our panels.
These items aren't shoes, food or toilet paper. You don't need to buy these things. State your opinion, move on and vote with your wallet. It's the only real power you have as a consumer.
My seven cents :)
RandyT
Good point, and well said.
But did it really cost you seven cents? By my estimates it should have only cost you 3 cents. I'd take your advice if it was 3 cents, maybe 4. But 7? Surely you could have found a lower-cost advice manufacturer...
;)