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Title: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: thewmster on July 29, 2009, 10:29:38 am: First of all, just wanted to say this forum has helped me in many ways to get my cab up and running. Usually I have been able to find answers to my questions just by searching. But, I need some input for this small problem.

I have some Happ Super Joysticks in my cab and the diagonals are way too sensitive. One of the most played games on my cab is Little League Baseball for the NES. It is very annoying to get a groundball and attempt to throw to first, but the kid decides to throw home instead because the diagonal is activated instead of just the right direction. Many a beer has been spilt due to this boneheaded play. Searching the forums, I have seen that one suggestion is to bend the contact on the switch. Before take the pliers to the switch, I just wanted to know if this is a good idea and how effective it is. Also, any other ideas?
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: Ginsu Victim on July 29, 2009, 10:38:18 am: Maybe check out the joystick round-up from Retroblast and see what works best for your needs:
http://retroblast.arcadecontrols.com/hardware.html

You might consider trying the Happ Comp or IL Euro sticks.

Of course, the best fix is to buy Ultimarc's Ultrastik 360s (U360). Worth the price tag.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: isucamper on July 29, 2009, 12:27:35 pm: I too would like to hear about a good home remedy for this problem.

It happens on my Happ Mechanical Rotaries (I think these are based off of supers)... and I don't have any other options other than to mod the stick somehow.

Basically, the joystick actuator rests right on the switches, and barely moving them in any direction is enough to engage the switch. I tried filing down the actuator a bit, but it didn't help much.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: Beretta on July 29, 2009, 01:51:48 pm: nice reviews on that site, it looks like the happ comp's are my best fit.

i actually already have several of these from different cab's i've bought so i'll try'em out on my project.. 2 of them are like new.

one thing i noticed (without yet testing it) was taht i wish they was

a little higher
a little stiffer spring, i dont wanna fight the joystick but i like to feel some resistance.
wish it had a bit more travel, and i wish it did'nt engage as quckly..

but it appears those will be the best off the shelf sticks for my personal taste.

btw what sticks was used in the original dedicated mortal kombat cabinets? those was nice sticks.. the comps feel "close" to them, but not quite, something off.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: Ginsu Victim on July 29, 2009, 02:07:59 pm: Quote from: Beretta on July 29, 2009, 01:51:48 pm
btw what sticks was used in the original dedicated mortal kombat cabinets? those was nice sticks.. the comps feel "close" to them, but not quite, something off.

I think they were Happ Supers. Not positive. One of our MK nuts will show up with the correct answer soon enough....
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: mwong168 on July 29, 2009, 02:11:27 pm: Have you considered this modification part you can buy from Randy at groovygamegear.com?

(http://www.groovygamegear.com/webstore/images/large/Super4way_LRG.jpg)
http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=71&products_id=310

Another GroovyGameGear Innovation! Use this little "gem" to turn your IL / HAPP SUPER Joystick into a true, physically-restricted 4-way.

* Simple installation. Included hardware allows mounting to existing holes in joystick body.
* Precision LASER fabrication.
* Provides longer throw 4-way operation than mechanically switchable joysticks can provide.
* Engineered to give tight break-to-make switch operation.
* Available as a pre-installed option on HAPP SUPER joysticks sold through GroovyGameGear or as a DIY item.

I haven't hooked up my Happ Super joystick yet but I can already feel I will have this problem so I am going to be placing an order soon for this restrictor plate and a few other goodies for my build.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: thewmster on July 29, 2009, 02:30:54 pm: Quote from: Ginsu Victim on July 29, 2009, 10:38:18 am
Maybe check out the joystick round-up from Retroblast and see what works best for your needs:
http://retroblast.arcadecontrols.com/hardware.html

You might consider trying the Happ Comp or IL Euro sticks.

Of course, the best fix is to buy Ultimarc's Ultrastik 360s (U360). Worth the price tag.

Thanks for the link. Should have definitely checked that out before I bought my controls. I should have just bitten the bullet and gotten the U360s. That will probably be the route I take once I finish out my cab. Until then, I am looking for a "quick fix" solution.

Quote from: mwong168 on July 29, 2009, 02:11:27 pm
Have you considered this modification part you can buy from Randy at groovygamegear.com?

I still want 8-way control, I just don't want to be hitting down-right when I try to press right, and so forth. Maybe an octagonal restrictor may be the way to go though.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: Ginsu Victim on July 29, 2009, 02:47:53 pm: There are no octagonal restrictors for the Super.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: thewmster on July 29, 2009, 03:17:25 pm: Quote from: Ginsu Victim on July 29, 2009, 02:47:53 pm
There are no octagonal restrictors for the Super.

Well, there goes that idea. Thanks for getting back before I went on a wild goose chase.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: ahofle on July 30, 2009, 12:19:13 pm: I wish Randy would make a slightly rounded octagonal restrictor for the super. I love everything else about that joystick except for the slightly non-precise diagonal activation.

One thing you could possibly try... turn the little activator upside down (so it's in 4 way mode) and then wrap some good strong tape around it until you get to the activation point you want.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: thewmster on July 31, 2009, 10:26:50 am: Quote from: ahofle on July 30, 2009, 12:19:13 pm
One thing you could possibly try... turn the little activator upside down (so it's in 4 way mode) and then wrap some good strong tape around it until you get to the activation point you want.

That is precisely the type of quick fix I was looking for. Can't believe I hadn't thought of that. Definately gonna try that when I get home from work. Thanks.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: RandyT on July 31, 2009, 02:32:48 pm: Quote from: ahofle on July 30, 2009, 12:19:13 pm
I wish Randy would make a slightly rounded octagonal restrictor for the super.

Granted?? :)

(http://www.groovygamegear.com/Store_Images/super8way_s.jpg)

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Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: dirkomatic on July 31, 2009, 02:46:40 pm: Ok!

When can we buy these?
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: ahofle on July 31, 2009, 03:09:24 pm: Quote from: RandyT on July 31, 2009, 02:32:48 pm
Quote from: ahofle on July 30, 2009, 12:19:13 pm
I wish Randy would make a slightly rounded octagonal restrictor for the super.

Granted?? :)

:notworthy:
Please let us know when they are available.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: thewmster on July 31, 2009, 03:51:04 pm: @RandyT: That would be perfection.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: MaximRecoil on August 02, 2009, 08:07:29 pm: Quote from: Beretta on July 29, 2009, 01:51:48 pm
btw what sticks was used in the original dedicated mortal kombat cabinets? those was nice sticks.. the comps feel "close" to them, but not quite, something off.

Happ Ultimates, or so I've heard.
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: warham on April 18, 2010, 04:15:08 pm: I have these adapters from Groovy and they are awsome!!!
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: JustMichael on April 18, 2010, 07:31:14 pm: thewmster, If I remember correctly the Super has an hourglass shaped piece of plastic at the bottom. This hourglass plastic has a big end and a small end. Have you tried flipping this piece upside down to see if that will make ithe joystick less "sensitive" for you?
Title: Re: Super Joystick diagonals too sensitive
Post by: kowal on April 20, 2010, 02:51:14 pm: Hi
Yes super have 2 position actuator for 4-way (no true mode but work) and 8-way
first old Super have square restrictor
(http://kowal.itcom.pl/foto/joyRJ-RM8.jpg)