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Main => Forum/Website Discussion => Topic started by: saint on July 06, 2003, 12:05:35 pm
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The first time anyone threatens another user on the board gets them banned. Whiskeroids has been banned. Nuff said please.
Btw - sorry I've been absent, new computer and DSL and such have had me offline.
--- saint
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Hi, it's Whis speaking!
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Hipocrate!
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There's a difference between the right to freedom of expression, and threatening physical harm to another person. If you can't understand that then there is more than a language barrier causing you problems. In the entire time this web site has been up, you are only the third person I've ever put a ban on. I'll take it on faith that you'll behave under this ID.
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Hi, it's Whis speaking!
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Hipocrate!
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I'm sorry but, if you're protecting people here from being threatened, why don't you protect people like me for being insulted too! As i can see, you're not a Saint, you're a unfair dictator!
PS: You americans are all the same! 'Nazi'onalists!
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PS: I want my Whiskeroids back!
If you have a little respect for people using his nicks free, i think you should let me use my Whiskeroids back!
Would you like if someone did the same to you!?
PS: I'm Portuguese and if i'm not mistaken, Howard is American, how could a threat harm anybody this way?
C'mon think...
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Here we go again...
Whiskeroids, why do you even come here? You don't look like you're seeking advice and you certainly don't contribute...
(Ok, I'm going to TRY and restrain myself today...)
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Hey Alan! I just NOT gonna turn my back of a injustice like this one!
I want to be treated equaly like everyone!
A guy comes to one of my threads, insults me and i simply won't shut up!
Just because i can't program and i haven't got any software to offer or something like that, doesn't mean i should shut up to insults!
My position still stands!
You cant' scare me! And if you insult me I WON'T SHUT UP!
Got it!?
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How old are you? (random question)
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What does it matter? (random question)
What difference is it gonna make!
The matter here's about fighting for your rights!
I could be 4 and i still had the right to do it!
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Hey Alan! I just NOT gonna turn my back of a injustice like this one!
I want to be treated equaly like everyone!
A guy comes to one of my threads, insults me and i simply won't shut up!
Just because i can't program and i haven't got any software to offer or something like that, doesn't mean i should shut up to insults!
My position still stands!
You cant' scare me! And if you insult me I WON'T SHUT UP!
Got it!?
:D
What happend dude?
Howard diss ya ?
Yeah he has a bad habbit of insulting people :P.
Stay the hell away and use the new nick.Simple ! :)
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Hey Snaakkee!
I'm not gonna turn my back on Howard! He was the guilty one of this mess!
I want my old nick back as a right i have!
If the guy insulted me i am in my right to threat him!
Saint's an Hipocrate and i bet he's on Howards site...
Well, i hope that people here realize that there are invisible
"hierarchys" and some people can be turned down by it!
I demand freedom of speech and equal rights to everyone!
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Hey Snaakkee!
I'm not gonna turn my back on Howard! He was the guilty one of this mess!
I want my old nick back as a right i have!
If the guy insulted me i am in my right to threat him!
Saint's an Hipocrate and i bet he's on Howards site...
Well, i hope that people here realize that there are invisible
"hierarchys" and some people can be turned down by it!
I demand freedom of speech and equal rights to everyone!
Why don't you add a 0 or 1 to the end of it or something? I suppose it is the principle of the thing...
I have had my problems w/ some people before, but sometimes they will do something awesome and surprise you...
Nothing will be accomplished by this though... Maybe it was the humiliation of this thread that angered you as well. I can really see why you're angry, but I don't think that this will get you anywhere. Why don't you just move on?
PS: Snaaake has had his probs w/ mods too. MANY times... he just backs down and things get resolved... if you aren't willing to do this on some matter of principle than don't...
If you just back down b/c mods need to be like this (I think) and go ahead and use the site for it's intended use, I will hold NO grudge against you. I respect your rights, but where do your rights end and mine begin? You are no longer within your rights if by using these rights you are infringing upon those of another.
Can we get back to arcade controls now? That would be so very nice...
NOTE: I never saw the thread I don't know exactly what you said. Read this post accordingly.
PS: Saint is part of his name (I do believe)... i don't think he thinks of himself as a saint... nor do I think of him as an unfair dictator, but there is NO question as to whether mods are dictators, but sometimes those just work best (Example: ROME! [this is a forum is it not? ;D])
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I never read the original post so I also don't know the context.
There is a difference between insulting someone and threatening someone. "you're mean, you're an ass" is totally different from "I'm going to blah blah blah to you"
Since Saint's a moderator here, how has he been unfair. If someone insults you, defend yourself. I would. Comeback with an even better one w/out a threat. If you are right then it'll be clear to everyone else and then the other guy looks bad in the end, instead of you.
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i am just gonna quote someone...
The first time anyone threatens another user on the board gets them banned. Whiskeroids has been banned. Nuff said please.
--- saint
but i wanna know, Whiskeroids or Hellnation, does nuff said not translate into portugeuse? also, the forum rules state what not to do. you violate, your banned. it's as much an injustice as being pulled over for driving 150 mph (or the corresponding # in k/h). realize you made a mistake, grow up, and act civilly. for the sake of those that stopped whining in the 3rd grade.
*sigh*
Jacob
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I want to be treated equaly like everyone!
A guy comes to one of my threads, insults me and i simply won't shut up!
Just because i can't program and i haven't got any software to offer or something like that, doesn't mean i should shut up to insults!
*Sigh*
Sadly, you are being treating equally; some people (not mentioning names) insult everyone. :-\
I find the insults (by anyone) annoying, yes, but not enough to fight over. All the macho, in-your-face insult arguments should stay back on the third grade playground, not here in the real world.
Suggestions for everyone for all forums and real life:
Don't take insults personally; ignore them, and thus be better than the the person insulting you by acting more mature. By being mature, you show how childish the other person is being, turning his insult against him. Threatening someone is even more childish than insulting someone.
Don't threaten anyone because if you do, don't be surprised of being shut out, fired (example: if you threaten a co-worker or customer), or arrested (example: if you threaten a policeman or airport).
Whiskeroids or Hellnation, the only way I could see you getting back your alias was by apologizing about the threat, and promising not to threaten anyone else (the same as all of us, BTW). Your arguments here have greatly decreased your chances, IMO, but I am not a moderator.
Finally, do I think I am "holier than thou"? No way. I make mistakes, take insults personally, and post things I shouldn't have.
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Hey Alan! I just NOT gonna turn my back of a injustice like this one!
I want to be treated equaly like everyone!
A guy comes to one of my threads, insults me and i simply won't shut up!
Just because i can't program and i haven't got any software to offer or something like that, doesn't mean i should shut up to insults!
My position still stands!
You cant' scare me! And if you insult me I WON'T SHUT UP!
Got it!?
I respect that you have grown up with a set of values you are willing to stand up for, but you also have to realize that this is the Internet, and you are going to find people with a wider range of social behaviour. In order to participate in this multicultural environment, you are going to have to learn to adapt to the guidelines set forth by each individual website. If this seems unfair to you, then you don't have to participate. But since you obviously see value in continuing to be a member of BYOAC, I'd suggest ignoring comments like Howards, or if you feel compelled to take action, then report his insults to the moderators. Who knows, maybe Howard will get repremanded and have to learn to adapt as well (thus saving more people from such insulting posts).
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Hi, it's Whis speaking!
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Hipocrate!
Freedom of Speech isn't absolute in of it'self... there's a clause in there somewhere regarding the safety of others.
i.e. freedom of speech doesn't cover yelling "fire" in a crowded theater... nor does it cover a threat. *shrug*
BTW is that little ascii gram of yours a middle finger or "twigs and berries" if you know what i mean?
I always though violating a ban usually is cause for dropping their whole subnet ip range from being able to reach the server PERIOD. (but that's just me... SAINT is a much more tolerant cat than me)
Besides: free speech applys to public space... technically this is a private space/medium that is shared and open to the public --> therefore house rules... well RULE and if one wishes to remain a part of said community they'd best follow the house rules.
*shrug*
in the grand scheme of things hypocrate is still higher up on the food chain than message board troll.
Rampy
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in the grand scheme of things hypocrate is still higher up on the food chain than message board troll.
Rampy
Well said...
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Internet food fights....
On the next Geraldo!
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Since a few people have decided to speak about me either directly or indirectly I would like to make this brief, public statement:
When I first entered this community(about lets say 4 or 5 years ago) I myself was rather rude towards veterans and said some outlandish comments with little respect towards anyone's feelings simply to get my point across. Guess what? I got beaten down like a red-headed step child. And although on some points I had a right to get angry on things, I really did deserve it. Snaake went through a similar hazing because he can be equally hot tempered at times and a lot of the oer excitable members have similar growing pains.
Well guess what, you have to decide if being angry is more important than getting help, or more importantly can you put all that enegy towards something good and give back to the community in the form of programs, good advice, voluntering for projects or other random acts of kindness.
Snaaake and I don't get along, there isn't in secret there. But something people don't realize is that although we don't get along neither one of us have ever done anything worth being banned, yelled at, insulted or other such hostility because we both try to contribute to the community and do the right thing. As much as I hate to admit it, snaake has become a valuable member of the community in terms of artwork and a general sense that he is here to help. Now we still do see things eye to eye, but at least we can just agree to disagree on some things, keep out of each other's hair and both try to do our own thing.
That last part was a little o.t. but I think the kid deserved to hear it. ;)
Getting back to the point. I have changed since back in the day. I don't insult people. I don't say bad things for the sake of saying bad things. I will, however, blatently tell you when I think you are giving bad advice, or when you are out right wrong on something. Don't mistake me correcting a person with me inslulting a person. Don't think that because I don't like an opinion that I dislike the person that gave it. Trust me, I'm a nice guy. If I had a personal problem with someone on this board, they would know about it.
I don't pull punches when it comes to my 2 cents, and I don't think anything is wrong with that, and I encourage other memebers to be "brave" and debate me if they feel that they are still right. I don't, however, encourage people to feel offended, take it personally, or become hostile when I or anyone else says something that rubs them the wrong way. When someone is offended by me or anyone else I suggest that that person send a polite, private message to the person in question. You'll usually find that it's as simple as a little mis-communication and you were over-reacting for nothing.
I am writing this specifically for newbies like wisker who feel that the whole board is against them.
Answering your questions specifically:
No there isn't any excuse for me insulting you and if I did then I apologize. But if you look back at the thread I never inslulted you, I merely said that you needed to research more and that you were "out of the loop" with your info. If you find that insulting then I truely feel for you. I did say something rather juvenille after you decided you physically threaten me and I am sorry for that. Usually I'm a better person than that.
Yes there is a hierarchy here. It's based on respect, not who is friends with who. I've been here for a long time and I've earned the respect of many on the board. If that intimidates you then I am sorry, but it can't be helped. You can't seriously expect the veterans to have less pull that the newbs can you? After all, they have been here to earn the respect and the newb hasn't. That isn't to say that newbies are less important than the vets, it's just that vets are going to be listened to first because generally they have more of a point.
No I am NOT a moderator, I CANNOT ban anyone. Also although I would like to think that saint and I get along great, I have absolutely no political pull with him. Some people here seem to think that I can say jump and the mods say "how high?" Nothing could be furher from the truth. If you are banned then one of the mods was given reason to ban you. If you are repremanded, it has absolutely nothing to do with me. If someone has done you wrong, contact saint about it, I guarantee you he will treat you just as farily as me or anyone else.
Saint's handle is aptly named, he is literally the most fair moderator on any board on the internet. If he says you are gone then you must have done something bad. To give you an example, if he wasn't so fair, snaake, myself and several others would have been gone ages ago.
Trust me kids, if this was a popularity contest, this board would be a LOT thinner. Luckily, it isn't. It's about being the greatest resource for arcade control related advice and discussion on the internet today. Personally I'm ready to get back to it.
later,
HAC
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Oh that note, Howard, how about giving John a PM about his Ultracade-esque frontend so we can get it released by next week! ;D
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And with that.... lets bring out some chips, break open a case, and bring on the women....... "TOGA.. TOGA.. TOGA!!"
Sorry, just tring to bring some humor in....
Sorry, I'll shutup now....... :-\
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I can't believe that people get uptight about joysticks buttons and video games. Get off the computer and go run for a 1/2 hour if you are letting people's written word gnaw at your peace of mind and sense of humanity. Or just do my favorite and drink a beer. Either way, get over yourselves! It's not that big a deal!
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I'm ready to hit myself in the head with a hammer after reading Hellnation's posts in this thread. Does that count?
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. Snaake went through a similar hazing because he can be equally hot tempered at times and a lot of the oer excitable members have similar growing pains.
Well guess what, you have to decide if being angry is more important than getting help, or more importantly can you put all that enegy towards something good and give back to the community in the form of programs, good advice, voluntering for projects or other random acts of kindness.
Snaaake and I don't get along, there isn't in secret there. But something people don't realize is that although we don't get along neither one of us have ever done anything worth being banned, yelled at, insulted or other such hostility because we both try to contribute to the community and do the right thing. As much as I hate to admit it, snaake has become a valuable member of the community in terms of artwork and a general sense that he is here to help. Now we still do see things eye to eye, but at least we can just agree to disagree on some things, keep out of each other's hair and both try to do our own thing.
That last part was a little o.t. but I think the kid deserved to hear it. ;)
yeah allright man ! ;)
Now the hot temper,doesnt come out unless its getting out of hand.
I could care less but some people just have a bad habbit.
Like armad1ll0 itching for flame all the time(or lately).
I would flame his ass to death but I dont care :P.
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I can't believe that people get uptight about joysticks buttons and video games. Get off the computer and go run for a 1/2 hour if you are letting people's written word gnaw at your peace of mind and sense of humanity.
This running you speak off. What mean you? i know not this word, "run"
=P
rampy
PS does a heated no cheats Track and Field session count?
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You know running... it's that thing you do when the hardware store closes in 15 minutes and you forgot a $2 part.
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Wow, well said HC - I know when I was a newb (and still am in some things!!) I asked a lot of the regulars..HC, SirP, Oscar, rampy etc...some even helped me through email about this or that. And now I'm helping others the same way. When it comes down to it - they've been there done that and can give good, straightforward advice...and correct inaccurate info. That earns my respect.
"RUN"-"NING". Your ideas intrigue me... I wish to subscribe to your newsletter ;D
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Running -
(v.) - The act of repeatedly catching yourself from falling by rapidly sticking one leg in front of the other in an attempt to purchase beer before 2:00 AM, or for you Bible-belters, before Sunday.
Thats the BYOAC definition in the Websters unabridged dictionary, and a possible new T-shirt slogan. I wish you could post to two newsgroups!
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This "running" thing.... Does it have anything to do with dance dance revolution. Man I hate that game... can't even use a stool. ;)
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There's a local collector out here (MN) who keeps a DDR in his basement, and uses it as an exercise machine.
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There's a local collector out here (MN) who keeps a DDR in his basement, and uses it as an exercise machine.
Hehe, that's why I am making a ddr pad for stepmania :)
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I'm sorry but, if you're protecting people here from being threatened, why don't you protect people like me for being insulted too! As i can see, you're not a Saint, you're a unfair dictator!
Threatening does not equal insulting.
PS: You americans are all the same! 'Nazi'onalists!
I find this insulting, but what can I do about it? I could reply with another insult but how does that benefit me? It only makes things worse. I could response with the cheap insult that you are being like a nazi too, the nazi's threatened people. But what am I goin to gain from it? I could also say you europeans are rude. I know many europeans that usually respond in a rude manner at alt.games.mame. But I know a few that love to help people, even newbies, when they can so that would be an untrue statement. So making that generalization that you made just shows that you have a terrible temper and that you are a bigot (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot) against americans. Now, what you have said throughout all your posts here do you think the people of this community will think highly of you? Do you think they will take what you say seriously now? Do you think you can now contribute to better the board and spread useful knowledge to others?
It's like this. Say you were cut off in traffic? That can be seen as an insult. What do you do?
A) Drive up next to that person and threaten to run him off the road.
B) Honk at him
C) Don't care, anything I do can't help the situation and keep that person from doing that again.
If you answer:
A) What does this get you but alot of charges in court and plenty of jail time?
B) A honk back maybe, but otherwise nothing beneficial.
C) Keeps the situation from escalading.
Now, that's real life. We are on the internet here. To me you are just ones and zeros. If you reply to this with an insult why should I care what you think about me when you are just ones and zeros and I can just walk away leaving you in my information super-highway dust? Now, if you reply with a threat I can take that seriously. You ARE just ones and zeros to me right now so I know NOTHING about you. I don't know if you are telling the truth or not. You have a right to have your opinion of me (which may be in a form of an insult) but I have my right to take threats seriously as I don't know if they are true or not.
In short, don't take the internet so seriously!
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But DO take the red pill.
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Hey sir Poonga, this one's to take down your last tread here!
If it wasn't 'Rotten' from the Sex Pistols saying <CENSORED MANUALLY BY SAINT> in the English tv for the first time, you'd probably wouldn't hear the expression 'freedom of speech' related to music or videoclips in television!
Now how's about that? :o
Do you think you know it all just for being a mod here!?
Grow up man...
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Sigh, some people just don't listen (or make sense). Those are the people that need to grow up.
BTW, I am just a mod, not an admin. All I can do is move threads around. So again, I will just ignore the insult part as I can't do anything about it.
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One more, and final, time.
If the auto-censor won't allow you to type it, don't try to get around the auto-censor.
- Don't mis-spell it.
- Don't replace letters with *'s
- Don't say it in Pig-Latin
- Do not post it here or there.
- Do not post it anywhere.
If you can't make your point without it, don't make the point. And for the record, you should re-read SirPoonga's post. They were good points, and posted without hostility. Rule #1 here at BYOAC.
"Rules? We don't need no steeenkin rules! Well, maybe one. Be nice to each other. We're serious about this one. Disagree, debate, argue at will - but please be respectful. Messages that are antagonistic or contain profanity will likely be deleted, and repeat offenders banned from posting."
--- saint
Hey sir Poonga, this one's to take down your last tread here!
If it wasn't 'Rotten' from the Sex Pistols saying <CENSORED MANUALLY BY SAINT> in the English tv for the first time, you'd probably wouldn't hear the expression 'freedom of speech' related to music or videoclips in television!
Now how's about that? :o
Do you think you know it all just for being a mod here!?
Grow up man...