Key Lock and Emergency Calls
The Pearl, like most phones includes a key lock feature so that you can put the phone in your pocket or purse without pressing buttons. However the Pearl includes an “Emergency Call” feature which can get activated while in your pocket or purse. This feature can be launched by the track ball which remains unlocked while in key lock mode. To avoid calling 911 from your pocket, don’t use the key lock feature. Instead use the standby mode by holding the mute button on top of the phone. This mode will put your phone to sleep and lock all keys and the track ball. It will save your battery life and you will still receive phone calls and message notifications. To bring your phone out of standby mode, simply press the mute button.
Maybe you can load it with a European firmware. Then it dials 112. Not a big problem in the USA I guess?
Its the best $20 I have spent.Never bought a box of condoms and a six pack of PBR when in college? ;D
Never bought a box of condoms and a six pack of PBR when in college? ;D
Its the best $20 I have spent.Never bought a box of condoms and a six pack of PBR when in college? ;D
Did you even bother to try the tip that I passed along ... or are you just feeling all vitriolic today ?
I also don't want to put my phone in standby. I've started doing that, but now I can't use it as a watch or check the screen to see whether I have any new text messages or voicemails without taking it out of standby.
While you're all up on that horse, consider that the consequences of the design flaw outweigh your personal convenience. Police have better things to do than chase down a guy whose hardon called 911 on a cell in his pocket. It's not like it called your grandma.
Surely you wouldn't say that a poorly designed roof with eves that begin to sag is not poorly designed because after one or two of your eves began sagging you didn't go around and prop poles underneath them to give them added support. Maybe there's an inconvenient solution to your problem, but that doesn't mean the eves weren't poorly designed. Shrug.
To which I might reply, "Yeah, agreed, as I stated earlier, I've started putting the stupid thing in standby mode. How obnoxious, huh?"
It's not like we're discounting your frustration . . .
It's not like we're discounting your frustration over the calling 911 by mistake ordeal
It's not like we're discounting your frustration . . .
Um . . . are we reading the same thread?
I agree that there are measures that I can take. They are all bad. I don't want to keep my phone in a sleeve. It's inconvenient. It's not how I want to use the phone. Not to mention that I shouldn't have to spend extra money to fix a design flaw.
While I understand why it's easy to call 911, it can obviously be too easy. We've been discussing a particular example of too easy. I'm sure you can imagine an infinite number of other ways 911 dialing could be made too easy.
I would have if you intended to do such a thing. You lost credibility on that point when you said it has happened as many as ten times.
Plus we taunt you. A lot.
So you flat-out don't care about the multiple calls you've made to 911? You could care less about the wasted time and resources? Is that what you are saying?
pending legislation making careless 911 calls a civil offense carrying a three digit fine. Plus we taunt you. A lot.
pending legislation making careless 911 calls a civil offense carrying a three digit fine. Plus we taunt you. A lot.
That's the spirit! Take care of the problem, one careless Blackberry user at a time. We'll get those 911 resources back yet! :cheers:
Did he really just say rarely affects me?
But it would have to affect him 46 more times a year for him to do anything about it, apparently.
Is there anyone fairly local to him?
But it would have to affect him 46 more times a year for him to do anything about it, apparently.
Is there anyone fairly local to him? I'm thinking you could probably mess with him 30-35 times a year before he did anything about it. ;D
We've already pretty clearly established that my threshold is 6-10 times in a two year period.
Is there anyone fairly local to him?
tommy ?
Too bad we already broke him.
That's just for mild inconvenience. We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.
That's just for mild inconvenience. We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.
---smurfing--- foreigners. Learn English.
We've already pretty clearly established that my threshold is 6-10 times in a two year period.But it would have to affect him 46 more times a year for him to do anything about it, apparently.Is there anyone fairly local to him? I'm thinking you could probably mess with him 30-35 times a year before he did anything about it. ;D
That's just for mild inconvenience. We don't know what it is for something like getting hit with a bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency.---smurfing--- foreigners. Learn English.
Or, since you live in Miami, "Quítese, que Hoser!"
But how to control for the possibility that I may have multiple thresholds depending on the degree of negative stimuli applied?
This from the guy who's peeing his pants about the minute to a minute and a half of 911 time I stole from society last year. ;D
I've called 911 maybe 6 times my entire life, 6 times a year seems kind of excessive. :dunno
I've had a blackberry for ages. I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).
I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.
Shmokes, go buy another phone. Problem solved for everyone.
I've had a blackberry for ages. I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).
I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.
Shmokes, go buy another phone. Problem solved for everyone.
Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest. Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911? What was I thinking? So stupid. Oh, wait . . .
I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call. You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again. I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call. You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911. That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call.
I've had a blackberry for ages. I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).
I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.
Shmokes, go buy another phone. Problem solved for everyone.
Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest. Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911? What was I thinking? So stupid. Oh, wait . . .
I've had a blackberry for ages. I've never phoned 911 with it, and I drink heavily and fall down a lot. I've even fallen in the pool with this last one *twice* and I have yet to call 911 (either accidentally or because of a drunken fall in the pool).
I'm thinking that if someone was really injured, or in fast, desperate need of the police, fire or ambulance, it would be pretty ignorant to think that they would have to push a series of sequential keypresses, because some guy likes to keep his phone nuzzled up against his penis.
Shmokes, go buy another phone. Problem solved for everyone.
Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest. Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911? What was I thinking? So stupid. Oh, wait . . .
....you could buy a nice jacket for your phone, and wear it in your pocket as you please, as it would not activate when you see blonde walk by. The next bogus call could land you in hot water with the cops. ::)
I have sold and supported 1000s of Blackberry Pearls, so here is one option you could look at to resolve your random and enlarging issue:
To avoid calling 911 from your pocket, don’t use the key lock feature. Instead use the standby mode by holding the mute button on top of the phone. This mode will put your phone to sleep and lock all keys and the track ball. It will save your battery life and you will still receive phone calls and message notifications. To bring your phone out of standby mode, simply press the mute button.
I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call. You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again. I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call. You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911. That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call.
Yeah . . . pressing a sequence of numbers to get 911 is just such a ridiculous and unreasonable thing to suggest. Who would ever come up with the idea of having to press a sequence of numbers to get 911? What was I thinking? So stupid. Oh, wait . . .
You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again. I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call. You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911. That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call.
I just for the hell of it tried to make an emergency call. You have to push the blackberry nipple, then scroll down one slot, not two, then push the nipple again, then scroll up to YES (default is no), then push the nipple again. I didn't push it as I assume that will make a call. You make it out like if you brush up against it, it dials 911. That's still a sequence to get to an emergency call.
LOL I hate to be the only one to agree with Shmokes here, but that sounds like a really pointless 'feature'. Wouldn't it be easier to simply unlock the phone then dial 911 without having to scroll around several menus? Also, the whole point of locking the phone is to prevent inadvertent pocket calls. Sounds like they have failed to accomplish that.
I don't make it sound like anything other than what it is: a phone that calls 911 (and only 911) from my pocket approximately 3-5 times per year. Considering the fact that I carry my phone in my pocket all day every day that's not a lot of times. But it's still happening a lot more often than it should (read: zero).
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
-Einstein
So how many times would you call 911 before modifying how you carry it?
No one argued that it's a good design. Bad design doesn't remove accountability for usage.
Chad, what you don't seem to get is that y'all are missing the point. You act like the issue is just resolved if I change my behavior, but that's not the case. I would have the exact same problem that I have now even if I had holstered the phone after the first or second time it called 911. Here is my issue:
OK, I'll agree with shmokes -- the design is stupid. I don't see where anybody said anything different.
BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen, but figuring that since the design is stupid that somehow that makes it all OK.
EDIT: Which makes the point that I was getting at with respect to the G08 -- it is a flawed design that is prone to overheating and possibly igniting. If I put one in a cabinet, without adding a suitable cooling mechanism, knowing full well that it could catch fire, then I would have to be an idiot to lay the blame for such a fire solely at the feet of Wells Gardner. It's inconvenient for me to have to add a fan. I shouldn't have to add a fan. I don't want to add a fan. But, if I quit whining, accept some responsibility and behave intelligently, then I can manage to get by without burning the damned house down.
If I carry my Blackberry Pearl in my pocket without a sleeve it will periodically call 911 even though the keys are locked.
Federal Communications Commission (FCC) regulations stipulate that all cellular phones must receive access to the service provider's network, regardless of whether or not the phone is active or has a Subscriber Identity Module (SIM) or Universal Subscriber Identity Module (USIM) card.
The key requirement is that the phone shall interpret phone calls made to 112 or 911 as emergency calls and employ the emergency call teleservice for phone call setup in all cases, including but not necessarily limited to the following cases:
* When a SIM/USIM is not present
* When a SIM/USIM is present but neither 112 nor 911 are contained in the emergency numbers list stored on the SIM/USIM
* When a SIM/USIM is present and 112 and/or 911 are contained in the emergency numbers list stored on the SIM/USIM
* When a SIM/USIM is present with CHV1, a digital signing security protocol, enabled and CHV1 is yet to be verified during the current session
* When a SIM/USIM is present with CHV1 blocked
* When a SIM/USIM is present and the Fixed Dialing Numbers (FDN) service is enabled, irrespective of whether 112 and/or 911 are included in the Fixed Dialing Number list
* When the keypad is “locked” to prevent accidental phone calls
* When in a normal service state or limited service state
All phone calls to an emergency number shall initiate an emergency setup message.
Thus, we must allow the ability to dial emergency numbers from a locked BlackBerry smartphone. While this does not mean that we must allow emergency dialing from a locked screen by actually typing an emergency number (911, 999, 000, 119, 112, etc...), this ability is implemented in BlackBerry smartphones as per individual service provider requirements.
In the case of the Blackberry pearl - if the keypad is locked....what's left?
Um, the trackball. (the same thing you would have to use to unlock the keypad)
BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen
. . . your not smart
Any incident after the first or maybe even second are all your fault - I don't care if the phone dials 911 when the battery runs low. You know it, you didn't alter your behaviour, you are accountable.
BUT what is far more stupid is continuing to do the same thing again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again (did I get the count right ?) knowing in advance that it will happen
That's absurd. EVERYBODY does this. You go outside without an umbrella again and again and again and again knowing in advance that once in a while you will sometimes be caught in an unexpected rainstorm. You could obviate the problem, of course, by carrying an umbrella everywhere you go at all times. But you don't want to carry an umbrella everywhere you go. It's inconvenient. So you don't do it. But the more often it rains, the more likely you are to break down and start carrying an umbrella.
Nobody goes around taking preventative measures for every possible bad thing that could happen as soon as he learns of the possibility. It depends entirely on how bad the thing is and how likely it is to occur. For example, I do take an umbrella just about everywhere I go. I keep one in my school bag. I keep one in my car.
Nobody goes around taking preventative measures for every possible bad thing that could happen as soon as he learns of the possibility.
The amount of emergency service time I've wasted is measured in seconds, not minutes.
But you are still missing the point. I don't care at all about the 911 time that I personally have wasted. The amount of emergency service time I've wasted is measured in seconds, not minutes. It's completely negligible and you're just being a drama queen. When you look at the wasted resources cumulatively, yeah, it's substantial. But that's a problem that only Blackberry's can fix, and it's a problem that they should fix, because it is their mistake.
And there is absolutely nothing unreasonable about my irritation that a product that I purchased doesn't work the way it should. And frankly, there's nothing unreasonable about my failure to apply highest priority to correcting a problem that is fairly minuscule. I got to it eventually. You're acting like the building was on fire and I sat around watching it burn instead of trying to escape when I had the chance. Again, that's just the drama queen in you.
Hmm . . . something about that insult makes it sting less than it should. What could it be . . . ?And yet here I am... someone who can work his phone. Funny how life works.
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Personally, I think someone in this thread is jumping at the chance to pass on the idiot trophy he won when he got stumped laying wood in a truck.
Personally, I think someone in this thread is jumping at the chance to pass on the idiot trophy he won when he got stumped laying wood in a truck.
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Who is the one crying like a child
It is also very revealing that you carry an umbrella everywhere so that *you* don't get wet, but that you can't be bothered to take simple precautions to prevent your continuing misuse of emergency services.
I moved here from the desert. I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert.
I moved here from the desert. I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert.
Even though I've decided that you are actually an ignorant, self important jackass because of this thread, I have to admit that bit there is quite funny.
I moved here from the desert. I didn't carry an umbrella in the desert.
Even though I've decided that you are actually an ignorant, self important jackass because of this thread, I have to admit that bit there is quite funny.
I used to live in Las Vegas - An Umbrella is quite important, especially if you leave your hat in the car in the summer. Those mini fold-up ones can save your life.
Umbrella = odd looks and stares, especially walking down the Strip.
Sun Stroke = Death or expensive medical bills. Laughs from your friends and co-workers.
I love how getting wet from an act of nature is comparable to calling emergency services on the phone. :laugh2:
I used to live in Las Vegas . . .