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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: ringram on March 20, 2008, 03:40:14 pm
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My gauntlet ROMS are not working. I'm using mame 0.89, and I've tried different copies and different versions of Gauntlet, but all of them say that they are missing some files. I've tried to Google up those files, but am unable to find them. Anybody else have this problem?
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Nope. No problem for me. I got a complete 0.110 romset for my version 0.110 MAME, and refuse to upgrade ;)
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Yeah, on one hand, I TOTALLY appreciate that people are making these emulators for us, on the other hand, I can't fathom why they're not always backwards compatible. I asked about this on a thread but I lost the use of all of my classics, like Centipede and Galaga, which still run perfectly on my older .71. I got a new set for the updated version only because I had to, and I want to run the newer Golden Tees. I just want everything to work, but seems crazy to have to replace different ROMs.
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Are you aware there are twenty (20) different guantlet romsets currently in mame, not even counting guantlet II or latter games? Mame didn't have all of these sets from the beginning, and some of the first (incorrect) sets included ROMs from different set or bad dumps (bad copies). IIRC, a rom that wasn't dumped nor needed earier, was just semi recently correctly emulated are is now needed. Also, I believe the gauntlet parent romset was changed to the current one, as it was added to mame later but is the "best" parent set. Also, romset = the zip file, rom = one of the files in the zip file; even though "rom" is often used when "romset" should be.
If mame had to keep backward compatibility to all versions of mame, mame won't go forward. Why keep compatible with a known bad dump rom if the correct dump is available? Why keep compatible with sets that never existed in the arcades, but were the best guess of at the time it was added to mame? Why stay compatible with a set that's missing a rom that wasn't needed before because that part wasn't emulated yet, but is now emulated and the rom is needed for emulation? On the other end, a new game or romset couldn't be added if the dev wasn't absolutely sure it's complete and correct (and even they might be wrong).
Backward compatibility is a limiting crutch that other emulators have had and thus died by.
A couple solutions for your problem with your romsets:
Use different versions of mame for different games, and a frontend that works with them.
Use a rom manager, and maybe a rollback set.
edit: You can look up gauntlet over at maws (http://www.mameworld.net/maws/) and see if your missing roms are in any of the current clones, as well as when the sets were changed.
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Another point to mention is that, overall, MAME is about more preserving the games than playing them. A bad dump must be corrected.
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Seems odd that I have more than one copy of a bad romset. Oh well, I guess I have to hunt down a good one. thanks for the replys.
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No....
You need to find the romset for your MAME version.
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You will have to get a rollback set of roms and use mame to rebuild the sets that you need using clrmamepro.
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Seems odd that I have more than one copy of a bad romset. Oh well, I guess I have to hunt down a good one. thanks for the replys.
I doubt they're all "bad" (in the meaning "error in dumping", or "corrupt zip file", or "roms grouped that doesn't match what existed in the arcades"). They don't work with the mame version you are trying to use, that's all.
It's more likely that the reason they don't work is because they are not bad, and the old mame is looking for the bad set.
Have you tried using clrmamepro (http://www.clrmame.com/) yet? You might have all the needed rom files, but not in the place your version of mame wants them. Cmpro can fix it if that's the problem.