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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: spacies on March 19, 2008, 04:21:37 pm
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G'day guys.
I am wanting a high res photo of the side of one of these cabs.
Seeing there is no correct plans on the interweb, I think I will just print out the complete side and use it as a template. I know the correct height and width so I will just scale the photo to that.
Can anyone help please? I am looking for a direct side-on photo.
Thanks in advance.
Spacies.
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I can take a pic if no-one else can. but I thought I saw a project in project announcements of a guy who was building one from scratch who had some dead on measurements. Anyway Ill snag a good side shot for ya if you need it.
Neil
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Thanks,
I didn't see the thread in the PA. Can you remember who it is?
I can't find it.
:cheers:
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I'd love an accurate side view too.
I corrected Jakobuds side plan from the side picture I found on this page (http://www.retro.co.za/arcade/cabinet.html). For the life of me I don't know where I left this drawing though. The picture is slightly distorted and Wade says that the slope on the front under the CP shouldn't be there.
If fixed the image a bit, but it's still pretty low res:
(http://arcade.laweb.nl/BYOAC/ms_pac4%20fixed.jpg)
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Patrickl, funnily enough I just resized and cropped that very same pic in Illustrator.
I downloaded 3 others as well and resized and layered them in Illustrator. Then I changed the transparency to see the layers below and the all matched except for small differences in the side art which I suspect was a problem out of the factory.
A good photo of a cabinet nice condition would be very helpful. Preferably a Ms Pac because it would be easier to see the outline rather than the black of a Galaga.
Ok, pic time. Who's gonna help us out?
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Patrickl, funnily enough I just resized and cropped that very same pic in Illustrator.
I did more than crop and resize though. I also tried to remove the perspective and the lens distortion so that the back is straight (the blue arrow line is now bent)
A picture of an MsPac would be much easier to straighten than a Galaga one. The horizontal and vertical lines give some clues about what whould be square.
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Dam,
A dead-on side view is what is needed to get this right.
I think the photo needs to be taken from as close of the cab to centre as possible.
Then adjusted, like you said, from there.
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Well it's largely a square. Just the CP area and top are curved.
The difficulty is that the picture should be as undistorted as possible (ie don't use a wide angle lens), but usually there isn't enough space next to the cab to get far enough a way to use a longer lens.
Anyway, if there is a high res picture it should be possible to correct it. But yeah it would be best if it was dead on and the camera was level.
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You might want to try the thread that was hot and heavy about Joymonkey and his Ms. Pac stencils. He has photos, drawings, and all sorts of measurements of Ms. Pac-man cabinets.
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=50429.0
The attached photo in this thread may or may not match up with these, and I would trust Joymonkey based on the steps and work he went through for those stencils.
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...Seeing there is no correct plans on the interweb....
glad i came across this...
so the jakobud plans are like useless??? i was going to use these :dizzy:
what is the problem with these exactly?
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Ah that thread has a nice picture (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=50429.msg763019#msg763019) and something Joymonkey set up with measurements.
In Jakobuds plans:
- The left top is slightly lower and therefore the slope is less steep
- The sides next to the kickplate are sloped
- The CP is too high and as a result the curve is to strong
- The CP tip is "pointy" instead of rounded
To show the differences with Jakobuds side profile I superimposed that as a red line on Joymonkeys drawing:
(http://arcade.laweb.nl/BYOAC/MsPac_JoyMonkey+Jakobud.jpg)
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o wow... glad i didn't start yet!!!
the jakobud version also seems to lack some holes, like in the back.
should i trash the jakobud plans? or am i ok after these corrections?
or even better...
is there a version with exact measures somewhere to be found? (you mentioned correcting them already?)
thanks.
oh je bent nederlands... :)
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o wow... glad i didn't start yet!!!
the jakobud version also seems to lack some holes, like in the back.
should i trash the jakobud plans? or am i ok after these corrections?
or even better...
is there a version with exact measures somewhere to be found? (you mentioned correcting them already?)
thanks.
I only corrected a picture to be a bit more straight. I have no idea how accurate the plans are. I assume they are not that far off.
The only thing that always bugged me was the side profile. It just looks different.
If you are interested in the dimensons of the back plate then the South African site (http://www.retro.co.za/arcade/cabinet.html) I mentioned earlier has some pictures with measurements.
BTW if you scroll down there are plans which might have been the base for Jakobuds plans.
oh je bent nederlands... :)
Ja, dus ik heb al in geen jaren meer een echte Ms Pacman of Galaga cab gezien. Hooguit een "reunion cab' in Scheveningen. Geen idee eigenlijk of dat dezelfde maat heeft.
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thanks again!
i wont start untill i'm certain i got some decent plans.
staat er uberhaupt nog iets interessants in scheveningen?
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thanks again!
i wont start untill i'm certain i got some decent plans.
Yeah hopefully someone who has a Ms Pacman or Galaga cab will help in this thread.
staat er uberhaupt nog iets interessants in scheveningen?
Well I went there last to see the MsPac/Galaga reunion cab again, but that's about it.
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coltchillin
What is it exactly that you are looking for?
And did spacies get the information he needed, I didn't see him post again.
I have two Ms. Pac-man cabs, I just have limited time. Maybe there could be some sort of trade of information?
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Hi,
No I haven't got the info. Although Joymonkeys drawing might do.
All I need is a direct side on photo of a MS Pac cab.
I don't need any dimensions/measurements.
;D
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coltchillin
What is it exactly that you are looking for?
And did spacies get the information he needed, I didn't see him post again.
I have two Ms. Pac-man cabs, I just have limited time. Maybe there could be some sort of trade of information?
thanks,
ultimately... i need decent plans so i can build from scratch :)
but a trace of the side panel or like spacies said a hi-res pic so it's suitable for a vectorization would be a nice start.
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i guess ordering the side art from twobits would solve the panel shape problem :)
(http://home.maine.rr.com/mspac/pictures/cabside.jpg)
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Lol. I can't understand why he let the sides come out so far forward around the CP. Looks like these pointy things are going to be something you bump into a lot. (On other pictures it shows this better)
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i guess ordering the side art from twobits would solve the panel shape problem :)
So does their art come pre-cut?
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i guess ordering the side art from twobits would solve the panel shape problem :)
So does their art come pre-cut?
If you look at the picture you can see where the artwork is and where it's painted blue.
I would assume it's pre-cut, but oversized.
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Yeah I see that.
I was blinded by that 'thing' it is stuck too. :laugh2:
I am going to use Joymonkeys drawing above I think.
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...I am going to use Joymonkeys drawing above I think.
you got it in .ai or something?
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...I am going to use Joymonkeys drawing above I think.
you got it in .ai or something?
Yeah I do.
I created a new project with the correct horizontal and vertical size, inserted joymonkeys pic and stretched it to fit.
I have done this with every other good photo I could find so now I have 6 layers. When I flick through them or make them transparent they all line up with very slight differences in the art work which I suspect is from the factory.
I printed a full size cab out and this is what I came up with.
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/309663871.jpg)
That is lying on my artwork.
This confirms I have the sizes right:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/309663870.jpg)
The MDF on the right is cut to Jakobuds specs:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/309663868.jpg)
This confirms those plans are wrong:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/309663866.jpg)
I am fairly happy now.
A bit more tweaking and I am ready to build.
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looking fresh!
so you had the artwork already? and you already messed up some mdf?
would you share the .ai? or are questions like that a no no onhere?
are you gonna cut two plates at once? or what is the best way to go about it?
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@coltchillin
Spacies artwork doesn't look pre-cut, so he wouldn't have know from that how a real Ms-Pacman looks.
@Spacies,
The top of your side-profile collage looks oddly straight. Is that from Joymonkeys drawing?
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looking fresh!
so you had the artwork already? and you already messed up some mdf?
It appears he just cut a profile out of some 1x8 or similar stock.
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...@Spacies,
The top of your side-profile collage looks oddly straight. Is that from Joymonkeys drawing?
yeah, if that's not optical/angle etc related, it sure does look very straight.
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looking fresh!
so you had the artwork already? and you already messed up some mdf?
would you share the .ai? or are questions like that a no no onhere?
are you gonna cut two plates at once? or what is the best way to go about it?
Yep I have the artwork already.
Yep I already built a machine using Jakos plans:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/5432451/309664599.jpg)
Even though its a skinny you can tell the curves are all wrong.
As for the cutting, I will cut a template on a thin piece of MDF and then use that as a template for the sides. They will be cut with a flush trim bit on the router.
@coltchillin
Spacies artwork doesn't look pre-cut, so he wouldn't have know from that how a real Ms-Pacman looks.
Correct, I am in New Zealand and we didn't get many USA machines here. I have never seen a Ms Pac or Galaga.
@coltchillin
The top of your side-profile collage looks oddly straight. Is that from Joymonkeys drawing?
Good spotting. It is straight. This was the first printout I did as a test. I wasn't bothered with getting the curve right at the top. I was more interested in the front curves. It was not Joymonkeys drawing. His will be used as the final template though.
It appears he just cut a profile out of some 1x8 or similar stock.
That was the offcut from template of the purple thing above.
yeah, if that's not optical/angle etc related, it sure does look very straight.
As above. The real deal will be right. ;)
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It's always cool to see a pro work on these things 8) Can't wait to see your end results.
BTW even though the lines don't exactly match, that's a nice skinny cab.
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It's always cool to see a pro work on these things 8) Can't wait to see your end results.
BTW even though the lines don't exactly match, that's a nice skinny cab.
Thanks mate,
I really want to get this right. Usually I jump straight in an just go but I love the shape of this cab so I am taking my time. I am glad I have because I have found out that the kickplates are only 584mm wide (not including the sides) and I usually build my cabs @ 600mm.
The skinnys are cool. I wasn't sure on that colour scheme but it really shines in the flesh.
I lurve the CP:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/5432451/309665693.jpg)
Thanks again :cheers:
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yo spacies, that looks really clean!
i have this woodworker helping me out but i'm kinda worried the side panels won't be identical or tight. he also told me a template would do the trick but i was still sceptical.
so you cut each panel seperately from the template?
or two in one go, like layer them first?
thanks.
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Thanks again :cheers:
Thank you for being an inspiration ;D
BTW The RAZR is a nice phone, but pictures taken with a real camera would do your creation more justice :P
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yo spacies, that looks really clean!
i have this woodworker helping me out but i'm kinda worried the side panels won't be identical or tight. he also told me a template would do the trick but i was still sceptical.
so you cut each panel seperately from the template?
or two in one go, like layer them first?
thanks.
Cheers.
Use a template. Cut each panel separately using the template as a guide. They will come out as close as you will get without CNC. The good thing about MDF is that a thinner piece shapes up really easily with some sandpaper. I usually seal the edges of my templates to avoid them going soft and stopping the bearing on the router from making a line after repetitive usage.
Thanks again :cheers:
Thank you for being an inspiration ;D
BTW The RAZR is a nice phone, but pictures taken with a real camera would do your creation more justice :P
Ha ha ha, good spotting again. I hate that darn phone. It is sooo slooowwww with all the pics on the mem card. You know, its too easy to pull it out of your pocket and take a pic rather that trash the good camera. My lady gets a bit uptight if I get glue and paint on the good one :p
I don't know if I will do a PA on this build.
I might just post a finished pic when its done. BTW I am building 2.
I am still totally stunned there are no correct plans for what is one of the most recognized cabs out there! :dizzy:
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Hmmm I remember thinking that my Pacman and Ms. Pacman plans were not exact but I did not think they were as far off as in these pics. Those curves on the front are really difficult to measure and quantify on paper.
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...I am still totally stunned there are no correct plans for what is one of the most recognized cabs out there! :dizzy:
maybe your side panel measures, shape and other additional stuff (door, holes in the back etc) can be incorporated into jakobud's plans (if the only problem is the side panel ofcourse)...
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maybe your side panel measures, shape and other additional stuff (door, holes in the back etc) can be incorporated into jakobud's plans (if the only problem is the side panel ofcourse)...
Yeah but I am building a replica using a photo off the web.
The measurements need to come from an original cab. There are tons of them out there but nobody has done it or wants to do it. There are tons of replicas on ebay even!
Come on guys! As you can see there are a lot of people wanting these drawings. Get off your backsides and contribute. Please? Pretty please? With Jam on?
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yeah, i agree...
patrick pack your tape measurer, cam, drive to scheveningen and molest that reunion cab. ;D
but seriously... somebody? :dunno
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You need to understand that it is not an easy cabinet to measure dimensions of. If you have a big rectangular box, ya anyone can easily determine the dimensions of it. But when you throw in large curves like Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man has, how do you measure it accurately? How do you hold a tape measure up to a curve and quantify how the curve is defined or how large the radius or arc-length (which is still useless w/o a center point) is?
If I remember correctly for this cabinet, I had a large reference picture that I imported into AutoCAD. For the curve, I used the picture to trace some curves that matched up to the curves on the image. I then approximated the curve radius's (radii?) down to the nearest useable unit (I think it was either 1/8 or 1/16"). I didn't make much sense to tell people to cut a curve that had a 36.29384832" radius. So an approximation has to come into play somewhere.
Now guys... just a reality check for you all. The cabinet you are making is NOT a real Ms-Pac Man. It's not an original. It never has been and it never will be. So it doesn't matter how exact you try to copy a cabinet. Even if you think you have accurately copied a cabinet down to the nearest 1/128 of an inch... it is still not an original. It's just a copy. No one is ever going to measure it. No one is ever going to line it up with another cabinet to check how exact you copied it. A lot of people on this forum are so super hardcore about being original and staying true to the original design, etc, that they loose scope of what they are working with. A copy. Hell, even the ORIGINAL Ms-Pac Mans differ slightly from one to the other (if you look close enough).
BTW, I'm not making excuses with what I'm saying here. I'm just saying that even what people consider to be 'perfect', 'pristine' copies, really do differ a little when you look close. I will get those plans more accurate on the front curve when I have some time. I never knew they were that far off (and honestly I'm surprised that with so many people using the plans over the past 4 years that no one has caught this before).
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Now guys... just a reality check for you all. The cabinet you are making is NOT a real Ms-Pac Man.
Yes, I agree. Personally I don't even like the Galaga cab from an ergonomics point of view. The monitor laying down is really bad for your neck and the cab is way too low for me.
I do love the side profile though and I have to agree with the others that it would be nice to get that more or less accurate. I think JoyMonkeys drawing should help there. At least, that's enough for me.
I'm surprised that with so many people using the plans over the past 4 years that no one has caught this before.
I think Wade was the first to notice it in the PacMan/Galaga Exact Cab Dimensions (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=53022.msg539485#msg539485) a few years ago.
Unfortunately over the years it has proven hard to find someone who has a Galaga or MsPacMan cab and who is willing to measure it. This thread here must be the fifth one or so on the subject.
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Ya know what is funny is that when you look at this forum/community and the EXTREME details people go into when constructing a cabinet ("What is the ideal distance between buttons?" "What is the ideal exact slope of a perfectly ergonomic control panel??" etc....), is that the original designers of these cabinets like Pac-Man and Galaga, etc probably just designed what felt right when they stood at it and went with it. :-)
Don't worry, i'll get these plans fixed someday. I'm just so busy nowadays. And of course I'd need someone to give me the fixes since I no longer have access to those cabinets.
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Ha, ha, yeah I doubt they put much thouhgt in the design other than what is easy to make, looks cool and be sturdy enough for commercial use.
If you want to use the original artwork you need to make sure that the cab is sized sort of accurate though. Or you will get what is shown in one of the pics a bit higher up :P
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Good point Jako. It will never be the same.
I have thought of just importing one and be done with. I still might, but in the mean time a scratch built will do.
I know someone in Australia also wanting to build one. He has already purchased most of the items to make it look like an original as well, like the coin door, speaker cover, rear handles, marquee etc etc so he wants the plans as well.
Like I said, I am building 2. The first will be a guinea pig to make sure I like the angles, then I will go from there.
Keep truckin'
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@ spacies and patrickl:
could you guys please compare my trace of the side panel to yours?
i'd like to know if i'm anywhere close.
thanks...
i've attached the .ai (just change the .png extension into .ai)
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Looks fine to me
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Nice work coltchillin.
I overlayed it with joymonkeys pic:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/312065677.jpg)
Almost there :applaud:
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Just changed you drawing to white and moved it closer to the edge.
Looks great:
(http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL757/2715941/19311410/312066435.jpg)
I reckon we have a winner!
:cheers: to you.
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thanks guys, i'll work on it some more.
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I did the overlay thing too and it came out identical in my case ???
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you guys also traced it from joymonkeys bitmap? :D
i did too and compared it to this other pic cause some angles and curves a wasn't sure about.
but if we all used the same source it's no surprise they resemble each other... but then... i'm curious why mine is slightly different then spacies :o
what was joymonkeys source then?
cause if his is off were kinda f*cked right?
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you guys also traced it from joymonkeys bitmap? :D
No, for my Galaga birdhouse (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66887.0) I used the picture of the south african site (after straightening it as best as a I could) to correct Jakobuds plan. I then changed it to make it's size more sensible for the birds though (basically I made it a bit deeper).
I overlayed JoyMonkeys version on the base picture I used and it looked pretty similar. I assumed JoyMonkeys version would actually be better than the picture I used. He had the benefit of using the MsPac artwork to correct the sizes.
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a birdhouse hehe cool.
i saw your miniature cab already but this is insane ;D
the south african pic... i also used it to double check but it's a bit different from joymonkeys so i guess were stuck with some estimation till somebody traces an actual panel.
i might be a little obsessive compulsive about it but i won't start until i got it correct :)
if not i think i'll just design my own panel.
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Sorry,
When I had it in black I couldn't see the alignment marks so I changed it to white.
It is spot on.
I am going to use it for my build. :cheers:
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a birdhouse hehe cool.
i saw your miniature cab already but this is insane ;D
Ha, ha, yeah. I'm a bit "space challenged" at the moment so no room for a full cab (or for much woodworking). In a few months i get my new house with a garage so I can finally get going again.
i might be a little obsessive compulsive about it but i won't start until i got it correct :)
Well it looks pretty much spot on. Why would you care if it's a millimeter off here or there?
I've been meaning to go back to Scheveningen to see the MsPac-Galaga reunion cab and measure that thing. I doubt it has the exact same dimensions though. The monitor in that is quite a lot bigger. If it's still there even. Every time I go back there they have less games.
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...I am going to use it for my build. :cheers:
thanks, cool! can't wait to see your wip thread.
I've been meaning to go back to Scheveningen to see the MsPac-Galaga reunion cab and measure that thing. I doubt it has the exact same dimensions though. The monitor in that is quite a lot bigger. If it's still there even. Every time I go back there they have less games.
sounds like a plan, why don't you just buy it :)
but yeah, not sure if it's an exact reproduction either.
i was also wondering... you mentioned you gonna stick an lcd screen in it instead of an ctr, for a specific reason? or is it just a matter of preference? wouldn't there be like angle issues with a lcd?
thanks...
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i was also wondering... you mentioned you gonna stick an lcd screen in it instead of an ctr, for a specific reason? or is it just a matter of preference? wouldn't there be like angle issues with a lcd?
I'm not going to mount it horizontally. I never liked the ergonomics of the Galaga cabs. you practically need to stick your head inside the cab to see the screen properly, but then the marquee is so low that you cannot.
Actually, I posted a design for my version of a Galaga cab (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?board=1;action=display;threadid=17422) a few years ago. Based on Jakobuds plans, but then slimmed and stretched.
(http://arcade.laweb.nl/BYOAC/CabinetPatrick.jpg)
Looks pretty odd, but I gotten used to it seeing more LCD cabs built by other people over the last 5 years.
I just like LCD screens and back then I was constricted in space. It had to fit next to the pool table. In the new house I will have more space, but I still wouldn't want it at full depth.
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ok thanks.
ergonomics... yes... never even thought about that.
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ok thanks.
ergonomics... yes... never even thought about that.
Seriously, try the size out before you build it. The whole thing is 67" tall. That's 1.70m. Not sure what your height is, but I look straight over the top of a standard Galaga cab. It's seriously uncomfortable for me to play on while standing. I'd need a bar stool to sit on or something.
When I was a kid I was short enough to fit my head in the cab under the marquee (well sort of). I did always love the sound echoing around inside the cab. I guess I will miss that in my design, but then I won't have the sore neck after playing on it either :P
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Seriously, try the size out before you build it. The whole thing is 67" tall. That's 1.70m. Not sure what your height is, but I look straight over the top of a standard Galaga cab. It's seriously uncomfortable for me to play on while standing. I'd need a bar stool to sit on or something.
yeah i guess in really need to look into all of this.
i recall using a bar stool at the arcade, even back then.
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I guess it could work with a bar stool, but I can't remember if that helped much (must have been at least 22 years ago since I last played on an original Galaga). I'd think your knees would be banging the front of the cab?
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It appears Jakobuds plans for the Ms. Pac upright are actually the Galaga upright dimensions. He probably made the common mistake of thinking they are exactly the same...they are NOT exactly the same. And your comparison Patrick1 demonstrates the subtle differences between the two cabs.
JoyMonkey's measurements are correct, they were taken off his own Ms Pac machine that he bought just for the stencil project, so he could be as accurate as possible. His machine is the one in that side by side pic you posted.
So, if you want to build a Galaga, Jakos plans are fine. A Ms. Pac - not so much.
Can't wait to see it Spacies...I have a Ms. Pac cab if you need any more angle measurements.
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Actually the whole thing started when Wade checked the Galaga cabs that he new and noticed that the plans were off (the half an inch angle in the sides of the kickplate mostly). Then others checked their Galaga cabs too and also noticed the difference. The CP area difference is visible from all pictures of Galaga cabs that I have seen. You can easily pick a scratch built one (based on Jakobuds plans) from the real cabs.
So then we only looked at Galaga cabs and argued that maybe the MsPac was different and as seen in Jakobuds plans :P
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...He probably made the common mistake of thinking they are exactly the same...they are NOT exactly the same...
wow, really?
i really thought they were identical.
can you point out some of the differences?
so these replacement cabs are off as well?
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Can't wait to see it Spacies...I have a Ms. Pac cab if you need any more angle measurements.
Thanks, I am happy with the drawing now and will base the sides on that.
I will use the same drawings for a Galaga as well. I am not too fussed about that cab.
I won't be doing a project announcement so I will just post a pic when I am done.
:cheers:
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...I won't be doing a project announcement so I will just post a pic when I am done...
:angry:
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...He probably made the common mistake of thinking they are exactly the same...they are NOT exactly the same...
wow, really?
i really thought they were identical.
He's only assuming they are not identical.
Like I said we had the exact opposite idea a few years ago. People determined that Jakobuds plans did not correspond to actual Galaga cabs that people had and assumed that maybe the MsPacman cab was different.
I've sinc seen a picture of them side by side and they are identical. At least the top.
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:dizzy: hehe...
it's becoming more and more likely that i will end up designing my own cab.
i've been playing with the idea of a fictional game, name, cab design (loosely based on midway cabs), and artwork... all 80's style a la pac etc.
still gonna use midway parts like the cp.
"super knock-off"or something.
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He's only assuming they are not identical.
I am not assuming anything...they are subtly different. For example, if you look at the Galaga cab, the front of it angles up slightly from its base to the control panel area sides whereas the Ms. Pac is straight in that regard, also the outcropping where the control panel area makes a "v" in the cab is angled slightly higher on a Galaga cab. They are minor, but distinct differences.
I'll assume you weren't "assuming" that I was merely "assuming", were you?
I've never tried Jakobuds plans, that's why I used the word "appears" in my post.
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Wade and the people with a Galaga cab who responded in the Galaga shape threads obviously don't agree with you on that.
and I found the picture I was talking about:
(http://arcade.laweb.nl/BYOAC/Galaga+msPacman.jpg)
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...I won't be doing a project announcement so I will just post a pic when I am done...
:angry:
Ok,
I MIGHT do a PA. If I don't I will give the link to a page where I will upload progress pics.
:)Wade and the people with a Galaga cab who responded in the Galaga shape threads obviously don't agree with you on that.
and I found the picture I was talking about:
(http://arcade.laweb.nl/BYOAC/Galaga+msPacman.jpg)
Interesting pic.
They look the same to me, although it does look like the Galaga slopes down from the CP to the bottom of the kickplate. But then when you look at it when comparing the same part on the Ms Pac, they are the same.
I am happy with what I have. The pics that is :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:
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They look the same to me, although it does look like the Galaga slopes down from the CP to the bottom of the kickplate. But then when you look at it when comparing the same part on the Ms Pac, they are the same.
I have to admit I made the same mistake. Not sure if I linked to the threads here, but a few years ago I argued that the slope of the Galaga kickplate area was correct. Wade and others checked their Galaga cabs and stated that they don't have any slope on their cabs. It just looks like that in the pictures because perspective and the dark upper part around the coin door suggests depth.
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what about the angulation of the cp and monitor?
in this pic it looks like the galaga cp is tilted somewhat more than the ms pac one?
but pics can be deceiving, i know...
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Indeed it looks like that. Looks like the Galaga CP is angled up more than the screen too. Doubt in both cases that it actually is different though.
Actually the internals of the Galaga cab are different. IIRC they have some extra cunstruction for mounting the boards in which the ms Pacman doesn't have.
It doesn't make sense to have them rolling out two machines with an almost identical cabinet shape and then make slight differences in the design.
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It doesn't make sense to have them rolling out two machines with an almost identical cabinet shape and then make slight differences in the design.
yeah that's what i was thinking too.
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Hi,
Can someone tell me how far the kickplate is set back from the front as well as the marquee?
Also the size of the CP (front and top, not width)
Many thanks.
Just about finished my drawings. :cheers: