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Title: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: mukuro on March 06, 2008, 09:45:40 am
I'm working on a Japanese capcom cabinet, Mame works great now with J-pac and arcade vga! but this cabinet have a Capcom stereo amplifier and I'm wondering if I can use this amp with its speakers with my MAME PC. Anyone have idea  how it can work?
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Minwah on March 06, 2008, 09:53:12 am
I don't see why not (although I know nothing about this amp).

Seems you just need to supply 12v.  I assume the audio inputs/outputs are probably obvious.  Note apparently there needs to be an input signal connected for the amps to power up.

http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149175
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: FrizzleFried on March 06, 2008, 09:56:31 am
My Q-sound amp is a simple 12v car audio amp.  Use it.

Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: mukuro on March 06, 2008, 12:15:04 pm
Thank you so much for the advices! My Capcom Q-sound amplifier come with its power supply but How connect the audio imput (L and R jack) to my PC?
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Minwah on March 06, 2008, 12:39:40 pm
How connect the audio imput (L and R jack) to my PC?

Using something like this:

http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/1.5m-3.5mm-2x-phono.html

Or this:

http://www.discostudio.co.uk/item.php?upn=15238

...plus this:

http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/AD012.html
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: mukuro on March 06, 2008, 12:56:01 pm
Minwah your last link do not work, I just need the connetor/adapter to audio PC output...please add a working link to this item.
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: lanman31337 on March 06, 2008, 01:36:28 pm
You need an RCA stereo to 1/8 inch stereo adapter.  Not sure what that would be in millimeters.  Also not sure if your RCA connections are male or female off your amp.
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Crowquill on March 06, 2008, 02:59:42 pm
As common as both of these jacks are there are a million ways to do this with a variety of cables and adapters. Ultimately you are going from a 1/8" stereo plug to two RCA/Phono plugs. You could buy one cable to do this like THIS ONE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102974&cp=&sr=1&origkw=1%2F8%22+rca&kw=1%2F8+rca&parentPage=search) from RadioShack. With the advent of iPods and MP3 players, these cables are sold almost everywhere to hook up you iPod to a stereo.

If you have the original RCA-->RCA cable that came with CPS-2 systems then you could also use one of THESE (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103225&cp=&sr=1&origkw=1%2F8%22+rca&kw=1%2F8+rca&parentPage=search) instead. Although I can't find a link, you could also use a cable that has 1/8"-->1/8" with a female 1/8" to 2 male RCA plugs adapter.

If you already have cables laying around, then you might go the adapter route. If not, pick up a pre-made cable.


Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Jdurg on March 06, 2008, 10:59:32 pm
Just keep in mind that unless you are running a legitimate CPS2 board, you aren't going to get "real" Q-Sound.  The Q-Sound chips in MAME right now are a "good enough" approximation to the real thing.  Until the actual Q-Sound chips are decapped and analyzed, MAME just can't reproduce the exact output of Q-Sound since it's not known exactly how it works.
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Singapura on March 07, 2008, 12:09:40 am
Just keep in mind that unless you are running a legitimate CPS2 board, you aren't going to get "real" Q-Sound.  The Q-Sound chips in MAME right now are a "good enough" approximation to the real thing.  Until the actual Q-Sound chips are decapped and analyzed, MAME just can't reproduce the exact output of Q-Sound since it's not known exactly how it works.

That's not necesarily true. The modern Capcom Q-Sound Format is based upon the Sony PlayStation Sound Format, with a few modifications, although the Q-sound label has been around much longer. Designed to support lower-end consoles, such as the original PlayStation and older PCs, the QSF's data is stored in an uncompressed form. There are several Capcom games on PC and consoles that use Q-sound. There's even a win-amp plug in that plays QSF files (see here: http://www.neillcorlett.com/hq and here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QSound).  The modern Q-sound is an algorythm, not a hardware solution.
Title: Re: Capcom Q sound stereo amplifier + MAME PC...
Post by: Jdurg on March 07, 2008, 09:14:11 am
Take a look at this thread here discussing arcade chips being decapped and analyzed:

Linky (http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=144271&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1)

"They're emulated in a black box sense, but there is no Qsound effect. It was discovered about 2 years ago that the Qsound chips are actually AT&T DSPs with a built-in program that makes them act like a sound chip and provides the Qsound effect. So once they are decapped and dumped it will be possible to have 100% perfect Qsound in all the CPS-2 and ZN-1 games, including the "virtual 3D" aspects."

I just think it's a misunderstanding of words here.   ;D