- TT-HL is top surface mounted via the integrated mounting plate and knob height is adjustable.
Looks brilliant!
- TT-HL is top surface mounted via the integrated mounting plate and knob height is adjustable.
My one question is, does it have to be top mounted? This would be a problem for me as I like controls to be removable after artwork is applied. Maybe I have misunderstood this description?
...are the mounting holes countersunk for flat head bolts, the photo doesn't appear so...
:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:Didn't Apache bring out a push/pull spinner a year and a half ago? Oscar controls had one even before that.
I've been waiting for a project like this for so long that now that it is finally hear I almost feel sad that the white whale was finally caught :'( :'(.
Didn't Apache bring out a push/pull spinner a year and a half ago? Oscar controls had one even before that.
As for games, D.O.T., Zwackery, and Forgotten Worlds uses the push, but no pull. Forgotten Worlds has 1 or 2 players, one spinner per player.Just for clarification - D.O.T. did use the Pull function, the other mentioned games did not.
..and then, of course, there are still all the regular spinner games.
Does it come in black? ;D
i, too, would prefer bottom-mounting. it seems to me that long-shaft leverage would not be a problem if you simply drilled a small hole thru your wood panel for the shaft, just large enough for it to turn freely. then the "throw" would be very short, and not much torque would be applied to the bearings.
i assume they would all play nicely together, and mame would see the trackball and spinner as a single 2-axis device and a single set of mouse buttons. is that correct?
I believe you might see issues with this if they are both plugged into the same USB pair of ports or the same hub - i.e. the trackball might be Mouse 1 and the spinner Mouse 2 and when you re-boot, the spinner might be Mouse 1 and the trackball is Mouse 2. (This occurs if the trackball and mouse use the same drivers, and I don't know if they would or not - it can happen with different branded mice).Quotei assume they would all play nicely together, and mame would see the trackball and spinner as a single 2-axis device and a single set of mouse buttons. is that correct?
IIRC, MAME now can differentiate between MOUSE devices. I.e. each mouse device is enumerated and will not interfere with one another under MAME. You should not have any conflict issues with other hardware.
I believe you might see issues with this if they are both plugged into the same USB pair of ports or the same hub - i.e. the trackball might be Mouse 1 and the spinner Mouse 2 and when you re-boot, the spinner might be Mouse 1 and the trackball is Mouse 2. (This occurs if the trackball and mouse use the same drivers, and I don't know if they would or not - it can happen with different branded mice).
Not saying that it can't happen, just that it seems a little "out of character" based on the way other devices are handled. Is it possible that the "different brand" MOUSE devices are all using the same off-the-shelf controller with the same USB ID, and that is where difficulties would arise?Okay - I haven't used that many USB devices personally, and what I do use I don't leave connected (which also solves the problem - all devices the same with a FIFO works fine as well).
Quotei assume they would all play nicely together, and mame would see the trackball and spinner as a single 2-axis device and a single set of mouse buttons. is that correct?
IIRC, MAME now can differentiate between MOUSE devices. I.e. each mouse device is enumerated and will not interfere with one another under MAME. You should not have any conflict issues with other hardware.
... I'm talking current versions of mame, 0.118 and later; was different before that...uh-oh. things were looking good up until i read that!
i'm running 0.103 and would rather not upgrade right now.
i'd be happy with the "-multimouse disabled" behavior.
is that what i'm likely to get with:
XP home + mame 0.103 + happ usb trackball + ggg TT-HL ?
Heh, lucky, squeezed in there:
Tested xp home + mame 0.103 + 2 USB mice + 1 ps/2 mouse: Mame sees all mice as one device.
Randy,
Will there be a Steering Wheel option with the TT-HL spinner ?
Or shall that remain an exclusive option for the TT2 ?
I would think a wheel wouldn't work well with the hl spinner...
FWIW:Except for the MAME Analog Plus or NoNameMAME variants - but thanks for the info, u_rebelscum!!!
From 0.105 to 0.117, mame "forced" multimouse (there was no option to turn it disable the behavior).
For winXP, mame 0.104 and prior do not support separate multiple mice, period.
I would think a wheel wouldn't work well with the hl spinner...
Yes, that's what I suspect.
We'll await the official response from Randy.
Will there be a Steering Wheel option with the TT-HL spinner ?
Can the main parts be removed from the mounting plate so that artwork could be applied easily over the plate (once installed), and then assemble the parts again afterwards?
Again...I am wondering...what games, other than Discs of Tron, will utilize this device?I believe an old favorite of mine "Front Line" Used the push
Anyone?
I am trying to determine if it is in my future or not.
I believe an old favorite of mine "Front Line" Used the push
Here is a picture of a Front Line controller:
(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1212/rotarytopgt1.jpg)
(http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6610/roataryunderneathnk9.jpg)
Hmm, that's interesting. I've never seen one like that before. Mine, and all the other ones I've ever seen, have a totally different housing & knob. Looks like they both do the same thing, though. :dunno
I'd like to see a picture of yours, I've only seen this type before.Easy there boys. This is a family environment. No need for "you show me yours, and I'll show you mine. "
Easy there boys. This is a family environment. No need for "you show me yours, and I'll show you mine. "
;)
Yes, as long you are careful not to lose the spring :)
Shall the DOT inspired knob, be made available as an option on the TT2 spinner ??
I guess the TT-HL shall be up on the GGG site soon ?
Will the Apache knobs fit? (I want other colours)
there has been a last minute design change.
I think it would be great if you could somehow incorporate the steering wheel as an option for the TT-HL (in all wheel sizes - 5", 6", and 7").
By this, I mean a proper, proven, "production-standard" option that's offered on the GGG website, with performance and quality of workmanship guaranteed.
That would be vastly more preferable to a one-off, ad-hoc, "by special request only" customisation with no guarantees.
I have no knowledge of the production design issues, so maybe I'm asking for the impossible.
and resiliency against the dumbest thing a user will try to do with it.Like when a user connects a 12V DC LED marquee light up to 120V AC and then blames you when the product fails, right Randy? :laugh2:
Like when a user connects a 12V DC LED marquee light up to 120V AC and then blames you when the product fails, right Randy? :laugh2:
I can offer a wheel with this design, with a couple of limitations. ... I will consider offering a special version of the wheel that uses a heavy felt pad on the bottom for the "seat", which will move the stresses from the shaft mechanism to the plate. ... I'll see what I can do. Just expect these same caveats to find their way into the product description ;)
Eh, bite the bullet and get a TT2 & the TTH-L.
BTW, a new product image with the Blue acrylic mounting plate was put up on the first post last night.
Ok, am I crazy, or can I not find this on your website ? Has it been scrapped ?
Is the mounting plate actually necessary? In other words could the spinner not just be mounted to a panel the same thickness as the mounting plate (eg a metal CP or routed down MDF panel)? How thick is the mounting plate?
Had a really weird idea today while I was dreaming of the HL.. is it possible, or even feasible, to use the HL (in combo with the steering wheel) as the gas pedal ? Ie. pull up to slow down (or speed up) and vice-versa ? I realize this would probably just completely destroy the thing within a few days, was just wondering if it was possible.
the speed at which you respond is downright creepy. Great, Amazing, but still creepy.
Had a really weird idea today while I was dreaming of the HL.. is it possible, or even feasible, to use the HL (in combo with the steering wheel) as the gas pedal ? Ie. pull up to slow down (or speed up) and vice-versa ? I realize this would probably just completely destroy the thing within a few days, was just wondering if it was possible.
Theoretically, yes. But the wheel has been made in such a way that it would not work, because doing this is very much not recommended.
RandyT
Ok I ordered my TTH-L can't wait to try DOT out.
Randy, now that the spinner is perfected & you have all this free time when is the 49 way coming out?
:D :D :D :D
Ok I ordered my TTH-L can't wait to try DOT out.
Randy, now that the spinner is perfected & you have all this free time when is the 49 way coming out?
:D :D :D :D
No no no - his next project is a Star Wars yoke, since RAM Controls is MIA...
Who is this addressed to? You know who you are!
As good as the TT-HL is, please don't discontinue production of the TT2 spinner
As good as the TT-HL is, please don't discontinue production of the TT2 spinner
um...has randy given any indication that the tt2 will be discontinued...?
The two products are serving different markets, so they both still need to exist. :)
Sheesh, why not support the guy and just splurge for the HL and swap out ? ;D
j/k!
If you want to add some illumination, you can use any of the colors (other than black) and simply point some LED's up at it from each side. You will get some shadowing, so you would need to make sure that the hole you make for the unit is cleaner than would normally be required.
If you need special lighting, send me an email with what you want it to do and I'll make a recommendation.
RandyT
While an EI package was planned, it has not yet officially materialized. It would have been based on the same configuration as indicated in my previous post. Essentially, a translucent white plate with 2-4 RGB drives positioned below.
RandyT
As I stated above, some shadowing, such as the shape of the body and the panel cutout, is going to be unavoidable.
RandyT
Currently, I'm planning on a panel with a TT high-low, but am having trouble finding an easy method to make a counter-sunk hole for the mounting plate. I don't recall anyone mentioning the idea of making the plate's edge beveled. Would be very similar to a button in this regard and would sure make things easy. What do you all think? What do you think Randy?
Or, more easily even, is there enough lattitude in the knob height adjustment for a 3/4" panel that I could mount the spinner underneath?
Does anyone know if all the wires coming from the housing should be in the connector? I'm changing my controls and when I pulled the spinner I found one gray wire not in the connector.
I could've easily done it while removing it, but not sure.
Thanks anyone who knows!
Does anyone know if all the wires coming from the housing should be in the connector? I'm changing my controls and when I pulled the spinner I found one gray wire not in the connector.
I could've easily done it while removing it, but not sure.
Thanks anyone who knows!
Mine is waiting on the front porch. I can check tonight when I get home.
Great addition to the community..
+1 for a tron joystick as a logical next product
- Zeosstud