Randy, Will these work with joysticks as well as the buttons?
Will we be able to order them with the buttons as an option instead of the microswitches? How about with joysticks? (if they are compatable.)
Can someone please explain to a noob the appeal of these over the cherries that everyone seems to have.
So, you're suggesting I should buy some ??? :-\
Features:
* Fast actuation and provides excellent button sensitivity.
* Extremely short "reset travel" for rapid fire capability
* Specially engineered to allow advanced functionality with virtually all conventional microswitch-based arcade pushbuttons
including RGB-Drive™ outfitted Pushbuttons, NovaGem™ and other bottom lit Pushbuttons
* No more problems related to loud clicking, excessive resistance, long actuation/reset travel, dirty or mis-aligned contact points.
* Smaller control panel footprint. Contacts are vertical and will accept standard .187 Female QD's
* Switch is manufacturer rated at 1,000,000 mechanical cycles
* Tough Acrylic and Polyester Construction. Adapter Plate can be re-used.
However, a joystick version is already planned.
Thanks to everyone for all of the positive remarks.Randy, Will these work with joysticks as well as the buttons?
Will we be able to order them with the buttons as an option instead of the microswitches? How about with joysticks? (if they are compatable.)
These will not work for joysticks as they were specifically design to work with pushbuttons, taking lighting into consideration. However, a joystick version is already planned.
The will be an extra cost option to have these included with all pushbuttons we sell, as well as joysticks when the time comes.
RandyT
Senator:Says who ? You can still buy them everywhere....
They're quiet, they're fast, they don't require much finger pressure. All the same as old-school leafswitches, the buttons for which are no longer being produced.
sorry it is plunger?
Im kinda confused why I couldn't use these in my joystick also because my buttons and joystick use the same switches.
this is normal microswitches only version subminiature with short plain leversorry it is plunger?
Yes. That is the actuator.
it he acts similarly to standart microswitches with short plain lever (1) 18mm
(http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4246/wlk2tvj9.jpg)
Randy, would you have any interest in remaking the opposite, leaf button but microswitch like nintendo did.
http://www.arcadeequipmentwarehouse.com/parts/nintendo-leaf-switch.jpg
Do a search on 'lever cherry microswitch'. THAT is an off the shelf part.
Do you have a pic of it in the button?
Ok, this is sort of an off the wall question and I suppose I could look at your website for an answer. If I have a tball with a standard cable do you have an easy plug and play usb interface? I don't want to fix my mouse hack, I want something more professional. I know you have an interface, but does a standard tball cable plug into it?
Looks like the SN10-QACF from Vabsco.Yeah, but then with a piece of plastic stuck to it so can be placed in a button.
Looks like the SN10-QACF from Vabsco.Yeah, but then with a piece of plastic stuck to it so can be placed in a button.
I guess I created a "micro leaf" joystick already for my PocketGalaga
I also want to point out that the Micro-Leafs do still make a very subtle click, but not appreciably louder than the sound of two leaf switch contacts hitting together. The difference between these and a standard microswitch is huge in that regard.
RandyT
Randy, yeah yeah, supply & demand... ;D
"and to account for different panel thicknesses" Not really, leaf buttons do this. There are long and short buttons. Shorts for metal panels, longs for wood. I'm just throwing the idea out there, I don't expect something like this to happen because there just isn't the demand for it.
This brings up a question, Randy, did you do any stress testing like repeating button machine for 10 minutes :)
Since the tabs go straight down it looks like it might require a slightly deeper control panel (have to account for the wire and female connector). Would taking a needle nose and bending the tabs to the left (in that pic) be bad? That way quick connects can be taken on and off from the side easily in shallow panels (like cocktails).
is it quieter than the sound of a mouse click...?
Be happy there are people foolish enough to keep spending the money and time to do these types of things that you don't think need to be done.
RandyT
Idea is great Randy. I only wish I had known so I could have ordered some with my marquee led light.
IMO it is amazing how many criticize or try to second guess a new product without even spending the few bucks to try one out. An objective review is worthwhile and appreciated all. SH1TKicking from the sidelines is not.
Thanks for all your great stuff Randy.
The only problem I have is that it is called Micro Leaf when, in fact, it's not actualy a leaf.
Question: A while back 1Up posted a suggestion of removing the springs from standard microswitches to make the actuation easier and faster. I tried that and liked it. Have you tried that with these? And if so, does it help, or do these really need the springs back, or is it a personal preference type thing?
Metal Slug 1 - 10.000 shots to to finish game
1.000.000 = 100x 1CC
this is not a lot of.
cherry have 10.000.000
honywell 30.000.000
omron 50.000.000
Metal Slug 1 - 10.000 shots to to finish game
1.000.000 = 100x 1CC
this is not a lot of.
10.000.000 this official HAPP (http://www.happcontrols.com/pushbuttons/5896xxl.htm) information
honywell 30.000.000 (http://www.tme.pl/mikroprzelacznik-spdt-dzwignia-26mm-z-rolka-honeywell/arts/pl/a25/wlk-1_h.html)
All switches fail eventually,....26 years of service.
Well I was going to buy some of these micro-leafs from you Randy but Kowal has a valid point. I myslef am a professional Japanese shmups player much like most of the rest of this board and I WILL NOT invest $2.75 on a switch that will only last me 90 days. Good day to you, sir. ;)
Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) :) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button. ::)
For return button's plunger to 'top position' is required not strenght from spring only but from switch too. Otherwise this must be tested as you say.Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) :) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button. ::)
If you can't feel the switch beyond the tension of the button's internal spring, are you going to not feel it less on the other side of the button? ::)
Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) :) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button. ::)A regular microswitch button only contacts on one side; how is this any different?
For return button's plunger to 'top position' is required not strenght from spring only but from switch too. Otherwise this must be tested as you say.
I vote for some video footage (on YouTube) of the Micro-Leaf in action :DI have some on the way, if Randy doesn't do that maybe I can arrange it. I think Track and Field will be a good benchmark for me; I run with only one finger on one button, and I can't do it nearly as well as I used t. Slow microswitch or just old age? We'll soon see.
I think Track and Field will be a good benchmark for me; I run with only one finger on one button, and I can't do it nearly as well as I used t. Slow microswitch or just old age? We'll soon see.
Micro-Leaf in action :DSubminiature switch with lever.
Take the switch out of your pushbutton and see if the button returns after you push it :)Nope, just sits there at the bottom, in fact I can't even push it ...
I understand that name product can be any. For example: Super Laser Switch :) But it lead in people to mistake because people think that switch use laser for action where really is plunger with lever :)I agree, but I didn't make-up the name....talk to Randy ;D
It looks as publicity.
Button returns otherwise but how fast? The same is with joysticks centering, remove switches from joystick and check how fast joystick back to center. Simple example is UltraStik.Take the switch out of your pushbutton and see if the button returns after you push it :)Nope, just sits there at the bottom, in fact I can't even push it ...
Good point, you have right. Thing is that switch's plunger return not vertically but using some angle = slower return pushbutton to top position. It is nevermind for games where you shot one time for half hour. But what if you must shot 8-10 (or more if you can) times for second? Oherwise it must be tested.Hm...I see this switch is mounted with some angle in button. It is not good because you will feel differrence when you press button in different points. On left side feel will be hard on right side it will be ... (?) :) If you play on games where you must shoot often, you newer press button in center, always on edge of button. ::)A regular microswitch button only contacts on one side; how is this any different?
Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch ::)I guess I created a "micro leaf" joystick already for my PocketGalaga
I'd say you created a nail with two switches nailed next to it. See how that works? ;)
Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch ::)
leaf (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.
Adding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.
'Micro' is first and foremost in title? Look for this name: Leaf-switch.Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch ::)Quote from: Dictionary (get one)leaf (lf)
n. pl. leaves (lvz)
1. A usually green, flattened, lateral structure attached to a stem and functioning as a principal organ of photosynthesis and transpiration in most plants.
2. A leaflike organ or structure.
3.
a. Leaves considered as a group; foliage.
b. The state or time of having or showing leaves: trees in full leaf.
4. The leaves of a plant used or processed for a specific purpose: large supplies of tobacco leaf.
5. Any of the sheets of paper bound in a book, each side of which constitutes a page.
6.
a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
b. Such leaves considered as a group: covered in gold leaf.
7. A hinged or removable section for a table top.
8. A hinged or otherwise movable section of a folding door, shutter, or gate.
9. One of several metal strips forming a leaf spring.
v. leafed, leaf·ing, leafs
v.intr.
1. To produce leaves; put forth foliage: trees just beginning to leaf.
2. To turn pages, as in searching or browsing: leafed through the catalog.
v.tr.
To turn through the pages of.
So what part of the above relates to the true and actual "leaf switch"? And what part of it that does, does not relate to this product?
"Snap" switches are referred to as "Micro-switches", and the word "Micro" is first and foremost in the title. The product does everything that has been claimed and no-one is being misled here (unless it is by the "usual suspects" with their painfully usual agendas)
Thing is that switch's plunger return not vertically but using some angle = slower return pushbutton to top position.Which btw, is how the original leaf switch would have worked also - would it not? The two leaves were hinged at a point some 2-3 inches from the contacts, so the leaf in theory would have a slower return to top - although a standard vertical pushbutton microswitch and plunger will also have a slower return to top position because the springs are less compressed = less upward force, so I'm not seeing your point.
standard vertical pushbutton microswitch and plunger will also have a slower return to top position because the springs are less compressed = less upward force, so I'm not seeing your point.Spring inside pushbutton? Less compressed? Show me pushbutton with high compressed spring.
But the product descriptions just sound a little snake-oily
... and I market my products no differently than anyone else. I just take more heat for it :cheers:Not true - you write better ad copy than most - and take more heat for it. :cheers:
RandyT, you create new name for something what is named from years by others manufacturers and mislead peoples. You think you found something new?He's created a new name for an adapter and switch set that allows someone with microswitch pushbuttons to get some of the benefits of leaf switches without the negatives of leaf switches. I understood exactly what he meant by the name. If anyone is unclear as to exactly what it is, he includes pictures that show that it is a microswitch with a lever actuator mounted to an adapter that allows it to fit into an existing microswitch button. Where is he misleading anyone?
Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.Yes that's exactly my point. Nothing "leaf" about either. Yet, one of us actually calls it a "leaf" switch ::)Quote from: Dictionary (get one)a. A very thin sheet of material, especially metal.
Pfft again. Smaller than what? The real leaf switches will have practically no activation distance. A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever.QuoteAdding the lever/leaf only increases the "throw" of the switch (which is exactly what you don't want) and I doubt it does anything with the clicking sound. It does reduce the pressure required for activating the switch, but that's it. So that's only one out of three of the leaf advantages over microswitch.
Nope. Smaller switch, smaller throw.
Some of you "seen and done everything" types might get a real eye-opener from dissecting one of these switches and seeing just how "leaf-like" they are inside.It's still a microswitch with a lever and not a leaf switch. It has a very slight advantage (lighter activation) and a slight disadvantage (longer activation distance) over a regular microswitch.
And my god at all the cry babies in this thread. Make something better or STFU.There is something better already and it's called a leaf switch.
Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.
We're arcade loving geeks - most of us have nothing better to do on weekend nights :)
I am stupefied at the big deal being made about this. :dunno
Leaf, because it tries to emulate some of the characteristics of a leafswitch.What chcaracteristics? Emulate Plunger? Show me plunger in leaf switch.
Wow, looks like it's time to change out all 14 switches in my cab. I can't stand the "CLICK CLICK CLICK" of the Cherry switches. Here's hoping you make some joystick switches too, I'd buy those as well.Cherry has different types of microswitches, these with blue plunger have small click.
Leaf, because it tries to emulate some of the characteristics of a leafswitch.
What chcaracteristics? Emulate Plunger? Show me plunger in leaf switch.
We're arcade loving geeks - most of us have nothing better to do on weekend nights :)
What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.
It's not an attempt to mis-lead. Does anybody really picture Randy sitting at his desk, thinking: "Now, what can I call this thing that'll fool my customers into buying it, only to disappoint them when they receive it and find out it's not what they though they were buying?Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.
It certainly activates faster than a larger micro - as Ive verified that personally.You have one laying around?
What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.
Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.
Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.
Some do.What kind of doofus could possibly have been misled by that, when there's a PICTURE RIGHT THERE showing the microswitch.
Look at the initial replies. Several people there talking about real leaf switches.
You should go look at the initial replies yourself. I just re-read pages one and two, and I see people talking about real leafswitches alright, but I don't see anybody that thinks that these are real leafswitches.
a) I never said otherwise. It has disadvantages and advantages. Overal it could be a minimal improvement for some.Well I`d say he hopes the term leaf rubs off on his product and that the people who buy it are happy with the minimal improvement it gives over the normal micro switches.
So, you:
a) admit these are an improvement over standard microswitches;
b) already know it's a "minimal" improvement, even though you haven't tried them?
Pfft sure. This metal part on a switch is called a lever. You know perfectly well why instead you choose to call it a "leaf". Especially in the arcade scene here were leaf has a very different connotation from microswitch this an obvious attempt to mislead people.
"The only pushbutton switch to combine the best traits of both the classic leaf-style switch and the modern micro or "snap" switches."
The Micro-Leaf gets rid of the loud clicking
Much like a leaf switch...
Actuation is fast and reset travel is tiny, making ultra-fast cycling a reality for the first time ever in a microswitch based arcade pushbutton.
Pfft again. Smaller than what?
A microswitch without a lever has a smaller activation distance than one with a lever........
.....
.....It has a very slight advantage (lighter activation) and a slight disadvantage (longer activation distance) over a regular microswitch.
I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.
I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.
I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt and accept that there was no deliberate attempt on your part to deceive customers. However, the fact remains that the term "leaf" in this context has caused a great deal of confusion. This thread alone is evidence enough of that.It hasn't brought about any confusion... it's brought out the hardcore passionate "Leaf switches are the best" crowd who are saying "How DARE you insinuate anything microswitch based could have anything to do with our beloved leaf switches?" and hiding it under "You're confusing the uninformed microswitch-using peasants" rhetoric.
But whatever... It still doesn't alter the fact that Randy should just change the name. Problem solved.To satisfy who? The people who are complaining obviously aren't going to buy them no matter what they're called. Unless you're suggesting that someone is going to say next year "Well, Randy's come out with this great new product but I won't buy it because last year he sold a microswitch with "leaf" in the name".
Hehe, and begginers will buy these all leaf products and next throw to trash because ... where is leaf?
Where? You don't know? Leaf is in seller's money bag :laugh2:
Other than the fact that it is a micro-switch actuated by a leaf of metal (which should be enough to justify the name)....Hey look: A whole page of leaf switches !
Hey look: A whole page of leaf switches !
Patrick...maak je niet zo druk over een naam...relax :cheers:I'm relaxed. It's not even the name itself. That warrants maybe a quick quip (as exactly how this started) It's more the BS to turn the blame on the people who question the name that keeps me involved.
My question is, does anybody actually have any of these yet? Have you had a chance to use them for a while? How do they compare to "regular old switches"?And just who do you think you are asking a reasonable, appropriate question on this thread? The nerve of some people.
FYI, we have used the term Microleaf at BYOAC before with no problems before.
In the catalog he orders these switches from, they are called Sub-Miniature Lever Microswitch.
How many people read the title and assumed it was actually about micro leaf switches (as in small leaf switches)? ie a small version of a Leafswitch + Bracket (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=49416.msg481368#msg481368) that Ponyboy sells.
a Ponyboy leaf switch,I assume by this you mean the leaf adapters in the Happ buttons, not the Japanese Ponyboy leaf switch which uses a micro-switch posted earlier in this thread, correct?
(http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7149/75547jl3.jpg)
a Ponyboy leaf switch,I assume by this you mean the leaf adapters in the Happ buttons, not the Japanese Ponyboy leaf switch which uses a micro-switch posted earlier in this thread, correct?
OK So I got mine today. I now have a Cherry micro, a Ponyboy leaf switch adapters, and a Micro-leaf in my cp all next to each other. The micro-leaf is barely audible underneath my 3/4 inch CP. It a tiny, tiny bit louder than a leaf switch, but much quieter than the Cherry micro.This is a lot more interesting than the name debate to me. Could you shoot some video ? Would be great :cheers:
I haven't played with them yet, I'll do that tonight and report back. Pressing it definitely feels more leaf-like than micro-like. So far I am defending Randy's name, I think people should really try these before hyperventilating about it.
Yes, didn't realize the latter existed.Actually, neither did I until Kowal's post. I'm interested in hearing how they play-test!!!
There was no confusion at all in my mind.That's disappointing. We'll have to try harder to make things confusing so this forum will still have a purpose (other than debating whether broken Nintendo joysticks are really broken). :laugh2:
There was no confusion at all in my mind.That's disappointing. We'll have to try harder to make things confusing so this forum will still have a purpose (other than debating whether broken Nintendo joysticks are really broken). :laugh2:
There was no confusion at all in my mind.That's disappointing. We'll have to try harder to make things confusing so this forum will still have a purpose (other than debating whether broken Nintendo joysticks are really broken). :laugh2:
It's okay, I'll just ask questions about how to top mount a joystick and trackball with routing instructions.
;D
There was no confusion at all in my mind.That's disappointing. We'll have to try harder to make things confusing so this forum will still have a purpose (other than debating whether broken Nintendo joysticks are really broken). :laugh2:
It's okay, I'll just ask questions about how to top mount a joystick and trackball with routing instructions.
;D
Oh, come on.. can't you ask us what's the "best" joystick, or where to download a complete set of romz in one huge .zip file or something? Don't you need to know where to put the "O" and "K" buttons?
Worst.. n00b.. Ever.
(http://www.squishedfrog.com/images/comicbookguy.gif)
Sounds good. Can't wait for mine but the border police have to take their whack at them first.
What's in a name.
Hot Dogs hopefully have no dog.
Hamburgers seldom have ham.
French Fries are not French
Denver Sandwiches don't come from Denver
Big Macs are not at all BIG
Philly Cheese Steaks do have cheese, and steak and are from Philly... They are the exception to the name game.
Anyway, Randy is the most proliferate innovator the BYOAC has. We shouldn't quibble over petty things like product names. We are lucky to have vendors like him supporting the hobby.
This entire incident could have been avoided if Randy would just spend his time finishing the new 49-ways rather than coming out with other cool products.
Gotta love George Carlin: "What should you do when you see an endangered animal eating an endangered plant?"
You have to love the fact that as soon as someone got one and said they work great.... The fighting stopped. :censored:It lasted until Randy finally came with a straight answer.
I have to admit I still have a hard time accepting that someone like Randy would not know that this choice of actuator is called a lever (as opposed to plunger or roller)...
Randy, I assume these micro-leaf switches work with the novagem buttons?
So after five pages of ---smurf----fighting, can someone tell me if these are actualy good?
What's more silly though, holding the dead horse up claiming it lives or beating it while it's being held up?
Randy, any idea on an ETA for a joystick version of these Micro-Leaf™ switches?he finished them days ago ,he just cant decide on a name for them, ;D
Randy, any idea on an ETA for a joystick version of these Micro-Leaf™ switches?he finished them days ago ,he just cant decide on a name for them, ;D
My problem is that I need to come up with other stuff I need from GGG because I can in no way justify spending $6.95 on the cheapest shipping for 5 "Micro-leaf" switches... so when I need other stuff, I will add these items.
My problem is that I need to come up with other stuff I need from GGG because I can in no way justify spending $6.95 on the cheapest shipping for 5 "Micro-leaf" switches... so when I need other stuff, I will add these items.
Frizzle,
I have a giant list of things I could use from GGG. How about I PM you my list, you order it and have it and your switches shipped to my house (you pay for everything of course) and I'll pick up the shipping costs to your house from mine for your switches. That way you don't spend a disproportionate amount on shipping and I don't spend anything at all. Sounds good to me. ;)
Note I said "NEED" not "WANT" because I too could come up with quite a hefty list of things I "WANT"...unfortunately, "WANT" doesn't matter all too much right now financially.
If you only order 6 or fewer switches and that's it, we'll throw them in a small padded envelope, send them "First Class" and only charge you $3.00. We've done that a number of times for small orders in the past.
With postal rates and shipping supplies costing what they do, that's about the best I can do, even for small orders.
RandyT
I, myself, can't wait to order some of these microswitches that act and respond like leaf switches. The name "micro-leaf" seems to fit them perfectly.
While I too am anxiously waiting for the new 49-way sticks and interfaces I don't think that its worth berating Randy about them.
TTFN
Kaytrim
All I can say is that I tried one of the "leaf switches that fit on microswitch button" on my Centipede and that I replaced it with a micro-leaf after I had done a LOT of tweaking to get the leaf less "tight" feeling, which failed....
That says a lot because I am a leaf-lover.
The best leaf I have so far is the 27 year old one on my Galaxian. Silky sweet.
But the Micro-Leaf is without a doubt the best solution when you want (have to) use a MS-button.
Is there a version of this thread with all the hijacks and ninny-bitching removed?In a thread Randy started? (You are kidding, right?)
Anywhoo .... Is there any word on joystick compatible versions of these? Love my T-Sticks, hate the T-Clicks.There's always ejfayel's paper trick (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72400).
Is there a version of this thread with all the hijacks and ninny-bitching removed?In a thread Randy started? (You are kidding, right?)QuoteAnywhoo .... Is there any word on joystick compatible versions of these? Love my T-Sticks, hate the T-Clicks.There's always ejfayel's paper trick (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72400).