Hey oscar looks awesome!!
I was wondering if you are going to offer a more DOT type knob. If I remember correctly it was kind of radiused (not sure if that's a word) around the circumference. I think the design was to make it easier on the hand when pushing and especially pulling. Just a thought. I applaud you for all your efforts and what it means to this community.
How soon before we can order? Price point?See initial post - 2-3 weeks, TBD.
Oscar, that looks great!
Can it be used as a regular spinner without noticing the DOT-ness of it?
Will this have a 1/4" shaft?
I have large hands, so I'd like to get the 2" aluminum knob (unfortunately from those other guys).
It's just too bad that I can't get a 2" aluminum knob with the engraved MAME logo from OSCAR!
Boo Hoo....
/begin Homer Simpson
"Oooohh, shiny..."
/end Homer Simpson
Very cool looking! I'm assuming the up/down buttons are mouse L/R buttons?
They are just leaf switches, hook them up to what ever interface you want.
SirP and Oscar...
For the 720 solution. how about adding a car window crank handle on it? That might!
then getting the true north will be the only problem.
Will this have a 1/4" shaft?
I have large hands, so I'd like to get the 2" aluminum knob (unfortunately from those other guys).
It's just too bad that I can't get a 2" aluminum knob with the engraved MAME logo from OSCAR!
Boo Hoo....
OH MY! You really did it!
Will this have a 1/4" shaft?
I have large hands, so I'd like to get the 2" aluminum knob (unfortunately from those other guys).
It's just too bad that I can't get a 2" aluminum knob with the engraved MAME logo from OSCAR!
Boo Hoo....
What other guys?
And OSCAR rocks! But we knew that.
Sorry I don't have much to offer in the way of 720 hacks. I'm not familiar enough with the control to even speculate on how feasible it would be. Doubtless one of you guys will find a way, though!
Yep, already done. Read the 720 thread sometime.
720 used a 72 encoder disc. And it uses a 2 slot calibration. I think I could hack this spinner just by making two of the grooves deeper and adding a second set of IRs. It'd take both axis of a mouse. urebel has the code integrated into analog+ mame to support that.. Just need a good knob that works well since I doubt it would be easy to make a joystick work.
nor do I know how realistic the play would be with a hacked DOT spinner because I'm not familiar with how the original 720 controller reacted as it used roller chain and a couple sprockets if I'm not mistaken.
I think Poonga is stoned. :-*
Could someone explain to me the control setup of DOT, cuz i never totally figured it out myself.Left hand: an 'up/down' spinner which controls where you will aim when you throw discs. spin left/right to aim left/right, and pull up on the spinner or push it down to aim up (towards the ceiling) or down (towards the floor). The up/down aspect of the spinner is not used in the game until the later levels when the platforms move up and down.
were the encoder wheels for DOT and 720 the same size or number spokes?
Just need a good knob that works well since I doubt it would be easy to make a joystick work.Yesterday I spent some time trying to get an analog joystick to control 720... It's proving to be a lot tougher than I had hoped (720 doesn't like it when I do a simple conversion of joystick angle->720 angle), but I'll keep at it... If I do eventually get that working, it's tough to tell which would be more playable - a hacked spinner or an analog joystick.
Yesterday I spent some time trying to get an analog joystick to control 720... It's proving to be a lot tougher than I had hoped (720 doesn't like it when I do a simple conversion of joystick angle->720 angle), but I'll keep at it... If I do eventually get that working, it's tough to tell which would be more playable - a hacked spinner or an analog joystick.
Back to geometry, just using sin and cosine to determine the angle from an y and x coordinate, right?My sentiments exactly...
(http://newserver.mywwwserver.com/~jstookey/arcade/720/720-spinnervalues.gif)Where did those values come from? radians?
Where did those values come from? radians?Those are the numeric values for the mouse that I use in the Mame code that result in the skateboarder pointing in the said direction. However, it doesn't work quite like that because it's a spinner and uses values that increase/decrease as you spin around and around (that was just a good hack to use for the 8way joystick which doesn't work with the analog joystick, darnitall).
can this spinner be used for frontlines by chance?
The leaf switches could certainly be attached to the USB mouse buttons. I have been considering making the mouse buttons prewired with female quick disconnects an option. This seems like it could be a good compliment to the DOT spinner so it could be interfaced completely through the USB mouse.
I know when I make my Bezel Artwork (someday) Oscar will get a Thanks on that!!!!
I know when I make my Bezel Artwork (someday) Oscar will get a Thanks on that!!!!
There we go, Oscar stickers, Mame stickers, Ultimarc stickers, etc.. Your CP will look like an import racer. Maybe yellow stickers will make the emulation faster. We could laugh at the people who have stickers for parts no on their CP.
Ha.... just like nascar, even...
"The Oscar, AMD, MAME, Imperial Beston, machine ran real well today... Got lots of bite out of the machined aluminum spinner and the crew did a great job tweaking the Emulaxian FE out there today... "
Maybe yellow stickers will make the emulation faster. We could laugh at the people who have stickers for parts no on their CP.Don't be stupid, everyone knows that having fins on your cabinet is what makes emulation faster.
It's hard to say. Do the reproduction DOT knobs have any tactile or competitive advantage? I mean, I know that the shape is meant to keep your hand from slipping, but does it? The thing is, I really REALLY like that brushed aluminum look. I'm also a fan of the big two inch knobs offered by slikstik.
So authenticity is clearly not my main concern. Playability is important, though, but since I know that won't be an issue with anything Oscar builds I'm kind of leaning toward aesthetics. Not sure how the black machined aluminum DOT reproduction knob would look compared with the original plastic one, but as far as aesthetic value goes, the plastic DOT is a bit of an eyesore compared with a brushed MAME engraved knob.
Perhaps if the extra functionality is significant I would go for the authentic one, but if it's all nostalgia I'll just stick with brushed aluminum, thanks.
I have to say.... that its very cool to see an older arcade control almost idencally produced! Much props to Oscar.
However... It would be even better if the design were somehow modded to use ball bearings for a smoother spin.
The DOT spinner is a bit too frictiony to use with any other 360 degree games... and is a real effort to move for long periods.
Obviously, such a mod might be very hard to produce due to the complex nature of the inner/outter bearing setup... but again... would make purchasing the thing a lot more viable.
Any ideas on possible bearing mod?
i double and triple checked the spin on all 3 of my genuine dot spinners. two of the 3 have ultra silky gliding spinner action, the 3rd has a tiny bit more drag maybe because the knob shaft is slightly bent. if your dot spinner is a beast maybe its in need of a good cleaning and oiling.
the spin isnt really heavy either, after reading all this talk about how its a beast i was suprised at how light the spin of my dot spinner feels. maybe you should take a multivitamin or eat a bowl of wheaties. :D
oscar, did you need to get a license from bally/midway/disney to make copies of the dot spinners? im gonna guess that there is some kinda patent or something. not that i care but as this hobby gets bigger and bigger, they might want a piece of the pie. better to ask them now instead of two or three years down the road bally/midway/disney wanting back royalties after youve already sold a few thousand.
-pocketz
To be totally honest this is 5% above my cost, 3% of which will get chewed up by the credit card fees.There is a way to accept paypal payments without getting charged processing fees, isn't there? I beleive if I pay you from an existing Paypal balance, you are not charged processing fees.
There is a way to accept paypal payments without getting charged processing fees, isn't there? I beleive if I pay you from an existing Paypal balance, you are not charged processing fees.
I'm sure that many of the people here would be willing to make a payment a certain way if it meant that you would double your profit. It is possible that you would have to set up a second paypal account that did not allow payments from credit cards. If you say it doesn't matter to you, then I would probably pay by credit card. However, if you say that paypal is making more money on this spinner than you are, I would be mad. :)
If the fees are different, you might also want to list what your prefered method of payment is (on your order.htm page).
I know you don't need advice from me, but I thought I would give it anyway.
Nice spinner! I assume shipping would be cheaper if we wait for a spinner + DOT knob, right. (lol, I don't want UPS to make more than you either!).
In response to the PAYPAL slam, i can honestly say that in over 2 years of using PayPal that i have NEVER had paypal screw something up and i have done ALOT of transactions with paypal. My most recent being for my slikstik.
So in short, i think some people out there are just trying to start rumors against paypal for no good reason.
This is just my humble oppinion! :)
G~
$99 + the price of the knob, eh? My wife is going to be piiiiiiisssssed when I order this ;D
Hah! 1UP, you must be rolling in money. You've already got a Pro with up/down functionality and you're going to swap out with a brand new, presumably expensive spinner?
Pick one up for me while you're at it ;D !
A comparison photo of the OSCAR DOT, Pro, and an original Tempest spinner.
(http://www.oscarcontrols.com/tmp/oscar-dot4.jpg)