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Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: csa3d on February 26, 2007, 07:26:05 pm
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So I'm working on my Midway Coin Door (http://www.csa3d.com/galaxian_coindoor.php) and am at the point where I need to purchase and attach a reproduction Midway logo. Thanks to ArcadeShop.com (http://www.arcadeshop.com/parts.htm) they produce a replacement metal logo. I'm told this has an ahesive backing, but what I'd like to do is rivet it to the door like the orginal.
Not being so bright, I neglected to SAVE the rivets I hammered out of the original door. What I need is some kind folks who might have some rivets to measure them and let me know which size on THIS CHART (http://www.rivetsinstock.com/rivet02.htm) match up. My current guess is that the 1/4th look about right. Can anyone verify this?
Second note of business, is that i've emailed this company, and the minimum order they will ship is $25.00 which amounts to a 100pc brass flat head rivet set. If I could verify the demensions with someone else, I'd be willing to go in on a group buy on these.
So, if you have an interest for Brass Flathead Midway Logo Rivets, please get back to me with any of the above info as you can.
Thanks
-csa
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Can anyone who has purchased a Midway Reproduction Coindoor Logo from ArcadeShop.com measure the thickness (in millimeters) of that plate? I'm getting some rivet samples sent to me and need to know that measurement to add to the length I'll need. More info when this is available.
-csa
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rock on if you get enough samples... you might not need to purchase them at all. also you should be able to find rivets locally. i believe most hardware stores carry them. maybe even auto part stores. i dunno about the size tho.
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Yes, my local ACE hardware has rivets in the pull out drawers of the nuts & bolts section. Some people will pop rivet the logo plate.
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Yes rivets are available everywhere, but we need the flat-head rivets, in brass with the right size....
I have the arcadeshop.com Midway coindoor logo here, it's 1 mm thick.
Don't think it's metal though !
I think you'll need to make holes on the place where the rivets need to come first, before the actual rivetting. I hope you still have the old plate as a mask...
Maybe drilling while holding it on a piece of wood.....be carefull these plates are pretty expensive.....
I haven't ever used rivets before in my life....
The head of the rivet is exactly 0,5 cm across (diameter). That would be 0,19685039 inch........
I have no clue about the other dimensions. Mine are still on the coindoor. How did you remove them ? Drilling ?
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Today I checked at the local Lowes and Home Depot for Brass Flathead Rivets. The only rivets I was able to find are steel pop rivets. While these would likely work, they are not asthetically pleasing to my desire for authentic feel. I have not found an Ace Hardware yet, so that's last on my list of local places to check. I was honestly hoping this whole issue would cost less then 5$. Seems not.
Level42: I still have the old plate. The way I removed my plate was to squat down, with the door upside down balenced between my calves (I make a great sawhorse too!). I took a small paneling/finish nail, and placed it on the back side of the rivet in the middle. Then I wacked the nail as hard as I could to knock the pin out forward through the front of the door. Most of them free'd themselves with one wack, others took two. There was minimal bending to the original plate, and no no damage done to the door either. I also remember taking some needle nose plyers and trying to sqeeze the backside of each rivet to make them break off, but I don't remember that working well. In the end, the finishing nail in the backside did the job.
I'll gather these measurements and send them off to that rivet supplier. He told me via email there's a part you buy which is $18, which you use with a hammer to unfold the back side of the rivet to get it to expand. These parts are specific to the rivet's diameter.. so yeah, I'll be waiting to get the rivet sample before placing that order. I'm fairly certain a 1/4 rivet is what we want. More info soon.
-csa
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Uhmmm.....take care when being your own sawhorse..... sounds risky ! No telling where that saw might end....
Thanks, good idea.....I thought about drilling the inside of the rivets, but there's not enough room for the drill.
I'll give it a try (although I'm not sure about being a sawhorse like that ;) !
Hadn't thought about the tool yet ! Makes sense. I've seen those "general" tools for rivets here, but I guess they wont work for us....
I hope to "rescue" the original rivets and see what I can do with them.
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I have the ones I drilled out of mine. The diameter of the ones I have is 3/32". The plate is 1/32" thick and the coin door itself is 1/16" thick. The length of the rivet is harder to tell because the top is drilled off but I'd have to say it is about 3/16".
I'd be interested in getting a dozen or maybe 2 dozen depending on what the cost is going to be. I'm doing 2 doors myself.
Encryptor
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Thanks all for the replies! I think after looking at all the figures, we need the standard 3/32" rivet from http://www.rivetsinstock.com/rivet02.htm
Unless there are any objections, I'm going to send in a request for samples using the following diagram:
(http://www.csa3d.com/images/galaxian/rivet_dimensions.gif)
Let me know, I'll send this off tomorrow if I hear nothing back.
-csa
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once you have the samples of the specifiec rivets, if they match the origunal ones, and if you want to share teh rivets, count me for at least 36 :D
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These are not brass, but they look good as black. Good if you don't want to see them in certain applications.
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These are not brass, but they look good as black. Good if you don't want to see them in certain applications.
Thanks for that! We're actually trying to see them unfortunately this time however ;) So the supplier got back to me informing me that they don't have the size we need in flat head brass, but do in rounded head brass. I'm now emailing more leads. *sigh* More to come.
-csa
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I'd be in for, and would really appreciate, 18-24 of these if you will do a group buy or if you need to meet a minimum order (assuming that they are not really expensive). PM me whenever.
Rick
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they don't have the size we need in flat head brass, but do in rounded head brass. I'm now emailing more leads. *sigh* More to come.
at least a rounded head brass may be fletened, nop ??
does it sound stupid... ?
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Here's another place which I've email, looks promising. They appear to have brass flathead rivets in the 3/32" diameter.
http://www.rivet.com/solidrivets.htm#flat
I'll let you know how this goes..
-csa
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I have the ones I drilled out of mine. The diameter of the ones I have is 3/32". The plate is 1/32" thick and the coin door itself is 1/16" thick. The length of the rivet is harder to tell because the top is drilled off but I'd have to say it is about 3/16".
I'd be interested in getting a dozen or maybe 2 dozen depending on what the cost is going to be. I'm doing 2 doors myself.
Encryptor
Hey Encryptor.
Can you give help me fill out the dimensions for B (Head Diamter), C (Head Height), and L (Length) according to this:
(http://www.rivet.com/solidrivets_files/image002.jpg)
Seems these rivet people aren't very visual interpretors of my drawing...
Thanks!
-csa
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Ok. Here is what I come up with for the dimensions you need.
B = 3/16"
C = 1/64" ??? This one is hard to get because the rivet head is not really flat. It is less than 1/32".
L = 5/32" - 3/16" Again hard to tell because some has been drilled off but 3/16" would be long enough for sure. The plate is 1/32" and the door itself is approx 1/16"
Hope this helps. If you need anything else let me know.
Encryptor
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Ok. Here is what I come up with for the dimensions you need.
B = 3/16"
C = 1/64" ??? This one is hard to get because the rivet head is not really flat. It is less than 1/32".
L = 5/32" - 3/16" Again hard to tell because some has been drilled off but 3/16" would be long enough for sure. The plate is 1/32" and the door itself is approx 1/16"
Hope this helps. If you need anything else let me know.
Encryptor
Thanks for this info!
The supplier is getting back to me on monday reguarding this 'special order' item. Apparently this rivet size is proving to be challenging to the hardware world. But, out of the email I did get something interesting:
There is a standard rule of thumb for determining the length of a solid rivet (to give you enough length for the material thickness + a little for crimping over the end of the rivet).
Rule of thumb = take 1.5 times the body diameter and add it to the material thickness, result being the rivet length.
So knowing this, I'll forge ahead with more emails, hopefully finding one person who hold the magic ticket.
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Those imperial sizes are driving me nuts !!!! GO METRIC !
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Bump back into the lime light!
csa3d - Any word on samples yet?
Encryptor
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yes, i emailed the distributer again this morning asking what happened on their end of things, as they dropped the ball.
Response was as follows:
Brass Flat Rivets
3/32 x 3/8" length under the head
This is the shortest they have, so i GUESS some dremmeling would be required to make the length .234375 inches it needs to be (1.5 x shaft diameter + material height). I suppose I could ask around to other suppliers. So far, I've struck out with two places now all saying they don't have them short enough. I'm not yet sold that these don't exist, so not sure i'm going to move on that deal just yet.
What do you guys think? Anyone wanna dremmel 100 rivets to length and pass them out?
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Personally if it was me I'd get the samples and see how they look. If others want to go in on them it would be THEIR responsibility to drill their own rivets or whatever they have to do to make them work in their situation. Just my opinion.
Encryptor
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csa3d - Any word on the sample rivets yet?
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Yes, I'd like to know as well ! All my projects are currently on a (very temporary) hold but I'd love to be able to include these.
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Well, no. I'm officially on vacation starting Monday, so I'm hoping my time off allows me to field this issue as well. So far I'm gathering that these simply don't exist in the *length* we need. I'm thinking I'm going to buy a box and see about cutting them to the length I need with a rotory tool. I'm assuming they will still work after cuttings, after all, they are a very small pipe in essence. If this works out, I'm considering cutting them and taking orders or just sending them too big and letting everyone else deal with them.
The reason I am giving up, is because I've emailed many places, and the folks who've gotten back to me thus far keep saying they check with their distributers and no one seems to make them in our specific length.
Would you guys be interested in the above mentioned options?
-csa
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Well it depends. We would also need a special tool right ?
Some question about your Galaxian cab: has yours a structured vinyl on the sides, or is the side art silk-screened straight on the wood ?
And another question: do you think your T-molding is the original ? Is is leather-textured ? Usualy you notice that it's original by the nails/tacks that are used to hold the ends. I wonder because they normaly used the famous green T-molding on the higher serial numbers...
Thanks !
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You can get decorative rivets at craft stores. They come in different styles, sizes, and colors. Might be worth looking into.
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Well it depends. We would also need a special tool right ?
You would still need the expander tool. Tubed rivets all require this and that was like 10$ or so if I remember correctly.
Some question about your Galaxian cab: has yours a structured vinyl on the sides, or is the side art silk-screened straight on the wood ?
Mine is vinyl side art. I'm going to have it reprinted as it's very scratched and I want it to look newer then old.
And another question: do you think your T-molding is the original ? Is is leather-textured ? Usualy you notice that it's original by the nails/tacks that are used to hold the ends. I wonder because they normaly used the famous green T-molding on the higher serial numbers...
Mine has black textured tmolding, and I'm assuming it's original. I actually dislike the green molding and will buy new black molding like it came with.
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You can get decorative rivets at craft stores. They come in different styles, sizes, and colors. Might be worth looking into.
If you have a source, please do share! I feel like I could drive all over town and never find these. I'm about to order some 'too long' rivets and see what happens. Soon as a freelance check comes in, it's a done deal.
-csa