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Title: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 23, 2006, 10:05:42 am
Got the wife a used tanning bed over the weekend.  I told her I would get her one when we moved from Florida to Indiana so she could still get some "rays" all year.  Anyway, it requires 220 and tanning beds aren't supposed to be run over 230 volts or you will ruin the bed/bulbs faster.  I measured my 220 and it reads 262v!!!!!!  (110 line is at 125v)  I tested my parents line in the same area of town and it was the same.  Is this typical everywhere or just where I am?  I will have to buy a buck booster to run this stupid thing now.  I'm glad I got a deal on it, because getting a 220 line run and now getting a buck booster is sure adding up.  Soooo, uh....go get your multimeter, measure your voltage, and post here with your voltage and location.  Yeah, that'll be fun.  ::)
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 23, 2006, 10:18:34 am

262v unregulated with no load.  Try again with the bed running.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 23, 2006, 10:34:01 am
With the oven on it drops to 255.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Ken Layton on October 23, 2006, 10:43:46 am
Alot of equipment manufactured nowadays has provisions for adjusting the input voltage to the device. Just like pinball machines have taps on the main transformer to adjust for local line voltages.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 23, 2006, 10:44:47 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 23, 2006, 10:52:08 am
The tanning beds manual specifically states a voltage range and that the bed will be damaged if run outside that range.  I believe they are all like that.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: patrickl on October 23, 2006, 01:27:25 pm
Did you measure this "over" something consuming electricity or did you put the leads in the socket?
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 23, 2006, 02:28:14 pm
Did you measure this "over" something consuming electricity or did you put the leads in the socket?

When researching online about tanning bed voltages and such it said to measure incoming voltage so I put the leads in the socket.  I do notice a significant drop when running one of our 220volt appliances like the dryer...
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: patrickl on October 23, 2006, 02:40:32 pm
I guess with the mains it doesn't matter really, but then I'm no electrician. With battery operated stuff you are always supposed to measure "under load". So never mind.

BTW voltage here is 215, but that's in the Netherlands
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 23, 2006, 02:52:18 pm

Batteries are DC.  Different concept.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Level42 on October 23, 2006, 05:27:30 pm

BTW voltage here is 215, but that's in the Netherlands

Hey that's strangely low for here. It should be 230 V plus or minus 10 percent.So it still is within limits but usualy it's pretty close to the 230 here.

It used to be 240 in the UK, 220 mainland Europe. They lowered it in the UK about 10 years ago, and we went up.

220 in the US is used for ovens etc, pretty much the same like we sometimes have 380V for really electricity hungry stuff.....
If you stick to the 10% rule the max you should get is 220+22=242 Volts....

However, the US is still in the stoneage regarding to electricity, they have poles with cables in the air and local transformers on those poles. If you're near one, you're probably getting more voltage then when you're further away from it (that's exactly the same here by the way).

Also, what kind of multimeters are you guys using ? Really cheapo meters can be pretty much off.

Anyway, the best thing to do is get rid of the bed alltogether. First it will safe your wife getting really old skin way to early and from skincancer, second: Do you realize how many cabs will fit into the space that bed is eating up ;)
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Howard_Casto on October 25, 2006, 12:35:14 am
Just to clarify, we aren't in the "stone age" we just have a frikkin huge country.  It is impractical to bury all of our lines in the ground.  As for pole mounted transformers, I haven't seen one in at least 15 years.  That is unless you REALLY go into the boondocks.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: danny_galaga on October 25, 2006, 06:42:10 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 

capacity is measured in Farads...
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: danny_galaga on October 25, 2006, 06:47:17 am


the extra high voltages you guys are talking about is 3-phase BTW. 110 or 220/240 is single phase. lines are still mostly above ground in australia. the reason places like australia, canada and the US still use these is mostly due to cost. underground lines have to be a lot thicker because they dont run as cool and then theres all that digging. where im from, Darwin gets a lot of cyclone activity so there are by laws that say that all new lines have to be underground. over time they are planning on undergrounding the lot but like i say, its expensive! the next cyclone that blows it all down again will fix that  ;)
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: shardian on October 25, 2006, 07:49:08 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 

capacity is measured in Farads...

capacitance... ;)
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 25, 2006, 07:58:37 am
Don't know if my multimeter was on the blink or what, but it was behaving strangely so I got another.  They are both reading in the range of 240 - 247 throughout the day which seems much more reasonable than 262.  Still need a buck booster though.  :-\
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 25, 2006, 08:04:14 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 

capacity is measured in Farads...

Not a capacitANCE... capacity of the line.  As in what it one would expect to see on it.

BTW, we have pole mounted transformers here.  They are normal.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: danny_galaga on October 25, 2006, 09:06:05 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 

capacity is measured in Farads...

capacitance... ;)

touche! (if i can say that to a third party)
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: danny_galaga on October 25, 2006, 09:07:55 am
Remember, voltage is capacity, not current. 

capacity is measured in Farads...

Not a capacitANCE... capacity of the line.  As in what it one would expect to see on it.

BTW, we have pole mounted transformers here.  They are normal.

pole mounted are common here too.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 25, 2006, 09:09:57 am

I was wandering around my living room about 3am a few weeks ago when a transformer blew on a pole 100 yards down the street.  The whole street lit up blue for about 15 seconds and then the whole street went completely pitch black without power.  It was cool to see.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on October 25, 2006, 05:57:08 pm
pole mounted are common here too.

Danny, thats enough about your personal life.   ;D
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: danny_galaga on October 26, 2006, 06:19:56 am
pole mounted are common here too.

Danny, thats enough about your personal life.   ;D


you should see the photos! chad, i have had the priviledge of seeing a transformer blow up too. great isnt it!  ;D
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Level42 on October 26, 2006, 02:45:38 pm
Don't stand too close to it when it happens, also for the bad fumes (formaldehyde !)

Here's a pic I took a couple of weeks ago while on holiday in the US (Massachusetts). I assume those things all the way up in the pole are transformers.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 26, 2006, 02:48:50 pm

They are step down transformers.  The voltage on those overhead lines is high enough to flash fry a person.  Those transformers step the voltage down right before it comes into your house.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: MYX on October 26, 2006, 04:25:53 pm
Yeah, 110, 111, whatever it takes.

Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: rdagger on October 27, 2006, 03:57:56 am
Yeah, 110, 111, whatever it takes.
"220, 221, whatever it takes..."
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Stingray on October 27, 2006, 10:52:46 am
BTW, we have pole mounted transformers here.  They are normal.

Still pretty common here too.

-S
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: shardian on October 27, 2006, 11:27:14 am
If I remember correctly from my Ciruits II days, power lines carry 14,000 volts.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 27, 2006, 11:29:22 am

In a situation where the load is balanced properly, the equipment is completely functional, and nothing is jury rigged to compensate for overbuilding or missing lines/equipment that has failed and not been replaced.

And there aren't many lines like that where I live.  The structure is just too damn old.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Ed_McCarron on October 30, 2006, 11:46:26 am
If I remember correctly from my Ciruits II days, power lines carry 14,000 volts.

Depends.

Typical for our area, the top-most lines on the poles carry 13.2kv.

Chad's right, if depressing.  Get tangled up in that and it'll burn you to a cinder after it stops your
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 30, 2006, 11:54:25 am
Chad's right, if depressing.  Get tangled up in that and it'll burn you to a cinder after it stops your

post?
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Ed_McCarron on October 31, 2006, 01:15:11 pm
Chad's right, if depressing.  Get tangled up in that and it'll burn you to a cinder after it stops your

post?

Good answer.  I hate when the rest of my post gets lost in the ether.

I was gonna say heart.  You become a 200A biological fuse.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on October 31, 2006, 01:51:18 pm

I was thinking maybe you tripped your fuse before finishing the post.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Dervacumen on October 31, 2006, 03:32:44 pm

They are step down transformers.  The voltage on those overhead lines is high enough to flash fry a person.  Those transformers step the voltage down right before it comes into your house.

And they're full of dielectric oil.  At least the ones I've seen are.

Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Random24 on November 10, 2006, 08:23:41 am
A bit off topic, but here is a neat video of what happens when a power station's 500 KVA switch is thrown.

http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wmv/coast.download.akamai.com/5022/video/LugoSWR.asx
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Post by: shardian on November 10, 2006, 08:33:13 am
A bit off topic, but here is a neat video of what happens when a power station's 500 KVA switch is thrown.

http://mfile.akamai.com/5022/wmv/coast.download.akamai.com/5022/video/LugoSWR.asx

I'm no expert on super high voltage stuff, but that video sure looks fake.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on November 10, 2006, 09:56:17 am

Looks like a tesla coil concept... could easily be fake, though. 
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: Random24 on November 10, 2006, 10:42:58 am
Here is a good explanation of what is going on in the video.

http://www.wiseguysynth.com/larry/day.htm
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: lokki on November 10, 2006, 01:15:50 pm
If I remember correctly from my Ciruits II days, power lines carry 14,000 volts.

Depends.

Typical for our area, the top-most lines on the poles carry 13.2kv.

Chad's right, if depressing.  Get tangled up in that and it'll burn you to a cinder after it stops your


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_power_transmission

Actually it depends on region/country and generating company.  And distance from generation to consumption. If the distance between the power plants and the cities that they are serving are huge. The voltage on the transmission lines is upped (since there is a lot of loss over the distance).  This is the case in contries like russia where a Water Dam (and hydro Plant) could be 100's of miles from any cities.

Transmission voltages of up to 2000 Kv are used.

This has a chart of some of the voltages that some companies use.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HVDC



Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: whammoed on November 11, 2006, 08:27:26 pm
Got everything set up.  Ran the 220 line myself.  The buck booster is the Gray box on the wall.  It plugs into the 220 socket and the tanning bed plugs into it.  Drops the voltage by 16.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on November 12, 2006, 10:31:48 am

Everyone be aware that dude's wife will have no tan lines.
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: diverdown on November 12, 2006, 11:00:04 pm
Got everything set up. 

Such a waste............you could have fit a pinball machine in that space
Title: Re: Why is it called 110volt and 220volt? Sheesh...
Post by: ChadTower on November 13, 2006, 01:31:15 pm

Or a bed on which many naked women will ask to lay.

The man is wise.