The NEW Build Your Own Arcade Controls
Main => Main Forum => Topic started by: missioncontrol on June 12, 2006, 07:14:41 pm
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o.k. the discussion thread has gone inactive for ideas, so I'm putting a poll in place for this years token...
I have set it up for everybody to vote their top 3 favorites...
We have not ironed out if we are going for the top 2 or 1...
(http://www.thedesignloophole.com/tokenSlogans.jpg)
These are the placement for the slogans as far as I know unless there are objections, then we will be glad to hear and discuss them...
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For Peale's sake: Please vote for All your game are belong to us!
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Thanks MC. I am travelling lately and have been busy.
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Thanks MC. I am travelling lately and have been busy.
I hoped you didn't think I was steping on your toes... I knew you have been busy the past few weeks...
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Crap, I only voted for 1. How can I do 2 other votes?
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Try going back up and select Remove Vote, and try again...
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Looks like we have a winner. where do I order?
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We need two winners, right?
(The editor in me makes me point out that "Build. Restore. Play." has a period after each word, but that's just me picking nits. Mmmm....nits...)
Time to vote, people!
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(http://www.thedesignloophole.com/tokenSlogans.jpg)
These are the placement for the slogans as far as I know unless there are objections, then we will be glad to hear and discuss them...
What about the "Build Restore Play" that's at the top of the "Slogan B" token?
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I wondered about the Build. Restore. Play. on the top of the slogan b token. In theory, we've got room for three slogans, I suppose.
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I'm hoping that we have top four with a runoff to top two......
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With as many choices as there are in the first ballot, I would think a run-off with the top 4-5 would be really wise idea.
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I think I want 'No Cash Value" where the current Build-restore-play is.
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I'm with Santoro.. I'd actually like to see a way to have JUST ONE slogan.. But it's hard with these designs.. Too many slogans makes it seem.. I don't know.. cluttered..
Anyways, I'm all for 'No Cash Value'.. And maybe 'One Credit'.. But..
However, if 'Build. Restore. Play.' wins, I like it where it is.. Then 'No Cash Value' could go on the bottom, and another slogan (not 'All your blah blah blah' please) could go on the front :)
Just my $0.02!! :)
THANX!
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I'm in agreement with the "no cash vale" on the top of the tails and the slogan going on the bottom of the tails.....
I still like the idea of "cocktails anyone?" going on the front side of the coin.........
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Without the "No Cash Value", it just isn't a token. Maybe it belongs on the bottom, though- leaving the "Build. Restore. Play" where it is. Mock-ups?
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I gotta admit - the "Build. Restore. Play." on token b looks perfect at the top of the coin (perhaps that's why we all missed it when figuring out where the slogans would go?)
This is going to be a tough decision - we're limited by the amount of space on token a, so perhaps "Good for 1 Credit" or "1 Credit"? That still leaves us plenty of room on the bottom of token b for a long slogan.
(Although if "All Your Game Are Belong to Us" wins, I doubt I'll be buying any tokens...way too modern and "of the moment" for a retro token, IMHO. :'()
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I'm sure we've still got to fit "Arcade Controls.com" on there somewhere too.
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I agree with Kev the "All your game..." does not fit well with the retro theme of this token
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I have an idea:
Make a limited edition run of "all your games are belongs to us" coins, with anyone who wants them pre-paying for their alotment so it can be ran. That way, the people who don't like it won't have to be subjected to it, and the people who truly like it can have it. ;D
It is just too controversial to have it on the main coin IMHO.
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I personally would be very happy if "All your games" doesn't make it. Santoro - will we do a top 3 run-off?
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So much for a vote...
Whenever there is a consensus vote, there are winners and losers. Usually, there is a compromise that everyone doesn't quite like, but that's what happens when multiple people are involved. I say leave it the way it is and let the chips fall where they lay.
18 people so far voted for it - that's 26% of the voters. Let's just see what happens. I personally don't like some of the slogans, but I will accept what is voted on.
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Havok,
The "All you games" slogan has become a galvanizing point - those who like it seem to REALLY like it, and those who don't REALLY don't.
Personally, I'm okay with any of the other slogans, but "All your games" really irks me for some reason. That's part of the problem here - the strength of the opinions for and against that particular slogan.
The vote will decide, of course. It's just that there are going to be upset people no matter how the vote turns out...
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Uh... I'll be buying no matter what wins. I wasn't asking for any votes to be overturned (if Havok's comment was directed at me). I personally want the "one token" quote :)
However - this isn't a democracy. Santoro should go with whatever he thinks will have the most marketability, and use the voting here as a guide. If he wants to override the votes that's entirely his perogative I think.
So much for a vote...
Whenever there is a consensus vote, there are winners and losers. Usually, there is a compromise that everyone doesn't quite like, but that's what happens when multiple people are involved. I say leave it the way it is and let the chips fall where they lay.
18 people so far voted for it - that's 26% of the voters. Let's just see what happens. I personally don't like some of the slogans, but I will accept what is voted on.
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Stupid question. When will these tokens be for sale?????
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My comments were not directed at any one person - sorry if I came off sounding like a jerk. I think that slogan sounds cool, even if not from a "quote" origin of a arcade\console game: I like the ideal that we've "got your game."
I'll be buying the tokens no matter what slogans are on it: I'm hooked, and you'll never see me anywhere near those places for my arcade "addiction!"
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I agree with Kev the "All your game..." does not fit well with the retro theme of this token
Yup. Has NO nostalgic undertones to it at all. I felt that the point of the love of all this 80's stuff was exactly that, memories of our kidhood.
Now in 20 years, I may vote on the All yer games... slogan, as it has aged and I have settled into the newness of it. ;)
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Sigh. I apogize. I tried to hit reply but hit modify and mangled your post. I did not mean to. QB please repost this if I haven't managed to restore this post to it's original state.
--- saint
if "All Your Game Are Belong to Us" wins, I doubt I'll be buying any tokens
I agree with Kev the "All your game..." does not fit well with the retro theme of this token
It is just too controversial to have it on the main coin IMHO.
I personally would be very happy if "All your games" doesn't make it.
this isn't a democracy. Santoro should go with whatever he thinks will have the most marketability, and use the voting here as a guide.
:lame:
So much for a vote...
No ---Cleveland steamer---.
When saint weighs into this thread only because he personally doesn't like the 2nd place slogan and then suggests that Santoro should just use the vote as "a guide" so the 2nd place slogan doesn't win, then I'm not sure what the point is.
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Here's what I meant to post:
You know, this really ticks me off. I purposely don't get involved in discussions like this so as to not be perceived as trying to influence it, and the one time I do chime in with what is only my personal opinion I get dumped on for it.
This is entirely Santoro's show. He'll do whatever he deems fit. Anything I've said is only my opinion and should not be perceived as having any kind of official influence. If it wouldn't bring up cries of revisionism or censorship I'd just delete my comments altogether.
Feh.
--- saint
if "All Your Game Are Belong to Us" wins, I doubt I'll be buying any tokens
I agree with Kev the "All your game..." does not fit well with the retro theme of this token
It is just too controversial to have it on the main coin IMHO.
I personally would be very happy if "All your games" doesn't make it.
this isn't a democracy. Santoro should go with whatever he thinks will have the most marketability, and use the voting here as a guide.
:lame:
So much for a vote...
No ---Cleveland steamer---.
When saint weighs into this thread only because he personally doesn't like the 2nd place slogan and then suggests that Santoro should just use the vote as "a guide" so the 2nd place slogan doesn't win, then I'm not sure what the point is.
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Can I point out by the way that a runoff of the top 3 slogans would include the "All your games" slogan since it's in second place?
Nothing irritates me more than being accused of censorship...
/me goes and mellows out now.
--- saint
No ---Cleveland steamer---.
When saint weighs into this thread only because he personally doesn't like the 2nd place slogan and then suggests that Santoro should just use the vote as "a guide" so the 2nd place slogan doesn't win, then I'm not sure what the point is.
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It's ok - we all feel the arcade love. Now go play a game of Asteroids.
:cheers:
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Heh. :)
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can you feel the arcade love in this room.......
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can you feel the arcade love in this room.......
All your arcade love are belong to us!
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You know, this really ticks me off. I purposely don't get involved in discussions like this so as to not be perceived as trying to influence it, and the one time I do chime in with what is only my personal opinion I get dumped on for it.
This isn't a slogan discussion thread where people are discussing which slogans they like and which ones they don't, this is a voting thread. But even though this is a voting thread, there are some people (which now includes you, saint) who feel the need to continue their campaign against a single slogan.
If you ("you" being anybody, not just saint) weren't interested in influencing anybody, then why post your negative feelings about this particular slogan at all? Why claim you won't buy any if that slogan wins?
If you ("you" being anybody, not just saint) just wanted to talk about how you felt about the sloganS, then why do you give no opinions about the others?
Because slogan-dicusssion isn't what you guys are interested in. You're intersted in making it very very clear that you do not want one particular slogan to win.
As I've said before, there are slogans that EVERYbody hates. EVERYbody who casts a vote feels that some slogans are better than others. But ONLY the anti "All Your Games" people feel the need to complain publicly about it. Everybody else is content to just let the anonymous voting play out... but not you guys.
I'm not accusing you of censorship, saint. I haven't seen you delete any posts in here (that I'm aware of). I'm just calling a spade a spade. As you said, you posted in this thread for one reason, to give your opinion. But you obviously were only interested in sharing your opinion about one particular slogan. Not one that you liked, not one that you hoped would win, not one that you voted for, but one you hope doesn't win.
I won't debate what your intentions were there, but you follow it up by suggesting that Santoro should determine the final token NOT based on which one might actually win the vote, but by it's marketability.
If you believe that that's what Santoro should do, then obviously Santoro should know if there's a particular slogan that people hate, right? And what better way than for people to come in and state clearly that there's one slogan that they don't think should be on the token. Surely Santoro should know what slogan will/might prevent people from buying any tokens at all and he should make his decision based on that. So if people posting opinions about what slogan they hate isn't an attempt to influence something, then I'm not sure what is.
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Like I said:
"The vote will decide, of course. It's just that there are going to be upset people no matter how the vote turns out..."
Looks like you've decided to get angry early...sorry we stomped on your favorite, but I don't recall seeing any rules stating that I was not allowed to post my opinion in this thread...
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This is supposed to be fun people. :badmood:
Here is the deal. In spirit I want this to be a a community effort. I want to use voting to test what the community wants and likes. And if the results are a token that has a good chance of selling enough that I break even at least, or make a little money hopefully, then it's cool.
The truth is this though. I am putting my own cash on the line and if the resulting slogans from voting were "GAmiNg is kEwl" and "MAme iz the RoxXors" I would appeal to the group's better judgement and request other options, or simply chose not to risk my cash on such Lame tokens.
I have no problem debating the slogans in this poll. I think it is healthy, and can cause no harm. Voting is anonymous so no one is going to vote for appearances sake.
IMHO "All your game"... is too inside. 50% of the gamers who see it say "WTF?" Every person who visits your house to play games will say "Dude the grammar on these tokens is effed up, did you import these from Japan or something?" Regardless, I am 90% sure that I will reluctantly live with it if it wins.
If you have similar feelings about other slogans feel free to discuss it here as well. I think open discussion on the pros and cons of candidate slogans is very constructive.
So.... putting all that aside, am I the only one who is worried that slogan may not fit in the available slots? I honestly didn't expect it to place so I didn't mention it earlier. If it is too crowded-looking we may need to pass it up anyway and make this all moot.
Nevermind - I see it fits up above.
Oh, and I am OK with 'No Cash Value' wherever, as long as it appears.
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I think we should re-vote now to include
"MAme iz the RoxXors"
or
~MAmE 1s teh RoxX0rZ"]
"My MAME Cab is M0R3 L33ter TH4N U!"
^yous guys are the awesome.
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@11 yoor G@m3 r BL0ng 2 Us.
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I really think Cocktails Anyone? would fit the front of the coin very well, and while being an inside joke, would be easilly explained to anyone who saw the picture of the cocktail cabinet there on the same piece of shiny metal.
I have stated my feelings about the other matter in the other thread. This is a positive post. Please consider voting for the slogan I suggested: Cocktails Anyone?
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I again think "Cocktails Anyone" is a great front side slogan... fits well with the artwork...
I would love to see "Yestrerday's Games Today" on the backside but would equally be happy with "Build, Restore, Play"....
if "All your games..." does win I will be disapointed, but I will also still buy them as the artwork is awesome this year...
I just think that because the artwork invaders/ cocktail are nice and retro we need a slogan that highlights that we are playing what we played in our younger years....
the cocktail cabinet for me reminds me of going to "Pizza Hut" as a kid and begging my dad for quarters to play on the games they had in cocktail cabinets (usually right by the front enterance) untill the hot pizza arrived....
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the cocktail cabinet for me reminds me of going to "Pizza Hut" as a kid and begging my dad for quarters to play on the games they had in cocktail cabinets (usually right by the front enterance) untill the hot pizza arrived....
Yeah except for the damn Pizza hut in south Texas that put friggin onions on the dang pizza. 11 year old kids DO NOT WANT onions. We were on a road trip and 20 miles down the road before we opened the box. I burped onion burps for the rest of the night. Do you know what that can do to a kid? :dizzy:
But they did have a Batlezone. Actually many Pizza Huts in Texas had Batlezones. :D
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I'm sure the onion smelling burps that filled the car taught your parents a valuable lesson about oreing onions on their pizza.....
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A little bit off topic:
Should we hold a poll to decide if tokens should come in gold or silver or both?
Or because last years tokens sold out so quick can we assume both gold and silver will be available?
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As long as they are the same price I vote gold!
I'm guessing they'll come in brass and nickel though ;)
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I will do the same as last year... I will be taking preorders and asking 'if we don't produce your metal choice, would you take the other?" Once the bulk of the orders are in I will know if we have enough to order both.
If we only order brass, for example, I will refund the money of those who ordered nickel and said they wouldn't want anything if we don't make nickel.
Last year we had enough demand for both.
edit:Spelling
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Santoro, Since hearing about these awesome BYOAC tokens, I'm holding off on buying generic tokens, but I can't seem to find info on when pre-orders will be taken, and when the tokens will actually be purchased. Can you inform? Thanks.
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Probably in a week or two, depending on my "Real-life" schedule. Creating the ordering pages takes a while.
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I'm not accusing you of censorship, saint. I haven't seen you delete any posts in here (that I'm aware of). I'm just calling a spade a spade. As you said, you posted in this thread for one reason, to give your opinion. But you obviously were only interested in sharing your opinion about one particular slogan. Not one that you liked, not one that you hoped would win, not one that you voted for, but one you hope doesn't win.
I won't debate what your intentions were there, but you follow it up by suggesting that Santoro should determine the final token NOT based on which one might actually win the vote, but by it's marketability.
Just because this is Saint's site doesn't mean that he has no right to express his opinion just like anyone else. Hell, throwing opinions around willy-nilly is what made this place great. You're certainly not showing any reservations about sharing your opinion on this subject. I voted for "all your game" but you talked me out of it. I'm off to change my vote.
Saint- when you're sick of the horsepoo, you know you're always welcome where everybody knows your name. :)
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It's from the TV show cheers...
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I'm not accusing you of censorship, saint. I haven't seen you delete any posts in here (that I'm aware of). I'm just calling a spade a spade. As you said, you posted in this thread for one reason, to give your opinion. But you obviously were only interested in sharing your opinion about one particular slogan. Not one that you liked, not one that you hoped would win, not one that you voted for, but one you hope doesn't win.
I won't debate what your intentions were there, but you follow it up by suggesting that Santoro should determine the final token NOT based on which one might actually win the vote, but by it's marketability.
Just because this is Saint's site doesn't mean that he has no right to express his opinion just like anyone else. Hell, throwing opinions around willy-nilly is what made this place great. You're certainly not showing any reservations about sharing your opinion on this subject. I voted for "all your game" but you talked me out of it. I'm off to change my vote.
Saint- when you're sick of the horsepoo, you know you're always welcome where everybody knows your name. :)
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Oh great, now 2 people have changed their vote.
Oh well, I was psyched it was second. Hopefully we get some swing votes in the second round, since it might make the cut...
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It seems that there are really 3 locations to decide...where "the game is never over" (cocktail side), "build. restore. play." (BYOAC top) and "all your game..." (BYOAC bottom).
I really think we might as well vote on three slogans. The reason is IF the "build restore play" slogan is selected it might stay where it is on top of the BYOAC side? I really like the look of the BYAOC side the way it is. I would go prefer seeing only one change if "build. restore. play." is a winner and can stay where it is. Thoughts?
if we get it down to a top 5-7 and then have separate votes for A (cocktail side), B (BYOAC bottom), C (BYOAC top)?
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I agree with the "less is more" mentality. I think we already have the slogan in place as it was submitted by JoyMonkey on his design - Build, Restore, Play. This is also the 1st place slogan in the vote.
Santoro says he wants "No Cash Value" on their so put it at the bottom of that JoyMonkey's design.
On the front, I think there is not enough room for any of the slogans other than "Cocktails Anyone?" HOWEVER, I feel that slogan is too cutesey and would have to be explained to guests as much as "All Your Game..." It is not a retro slogan, but is based on the users' knowledge of arcade machines.
My suggestion would be to just use the "www.arcadecontrols.com" tagline centered around the bottom of the token (front side) as depicted below. How many people here would refuse to buy tokens with that design?
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My suggestion would be to just use the "www.arcadecontrols.com" tagline centered around the bottom of the token (front side) as depicted below. How many people here would refuse to buy tokens with that design?
Great idea to simplify, but the cocktail cabinet would then overlap the text and that opens this whole thing up for a lot of re-designing to make it fit.
I wouldn't want to change a token that much when people have already voted on the layout. I would rather keep text around the same length, placement, and appearence so it is as similar to what was voted upon as possible. That's why I suggested adding a 3rd location so that "Build. Restore. Play." might stay where it is when people voted for it. The BYOAC invader is a rockin' design!
I think that disussing the slogans is great since more people take a creative roll in this years tokens. It's been a lot of fun sharing ideas. Let's not get to complicated and vote on slogans that fit the space in the designs.
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Great idea to simplify, but the cocktail cabinet would then overlap the text
Thanks for pointing that out. The blue bar around the bottom kept me from seeing that (or I was just too blind to see it).
I still think the "Cocktails Anyone?" slogan is too cutesey and not specific to the retro-arcade theme. BTW, I voted for:
Build Restore Play
The Arcade Will Never Die
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Gee, Mark, that means you've got one vote left for "All Your Games..".
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My suggestion would be to just use the "www.arcadecontrols.com" tagline centered around the bottom of the token (front side) as depicted below. How many people here would refuse to buy tokens with that design?
ARCADE5280 is right the picture would overlap the text and the design doesn't need to be changed now....
On the front, I think there is not enough room for any of the slogans other than "Cocktails Anyone?" HOWEVER, I feel that slogan is too cutesey and would have to be explained to guests as much as "All Your Game..." It is not a retro slogan, but is based on the users' knowledge of arcade machines.
you right first having to explain how you fit 3000 games in a machine has allready got their brain smoking... cramming more knowledge such as why the token says "cocktails anyone" or "all your games..." would possibly set them into overload meltdown.
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I just want to let it be known that no matter what design wins out, I think this years token is the best yet. Thanks to everyone for their creative input!
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:cheers: Looks smoking to me too!
I just want to let it be known that no matter what design wins out, I think this years token is the best yet. Thanks to everyone for their creative input!
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you right first having to explain how you fit 3000 games in a machine has allready got their brain smoking... cramming more knowledge such as why the token says "cocktails anyone" or "all your games..." would possibly set them into overload meltdown.
That's why I voted for both of those! I think they are great conversation starters for company. "Cocktails anyone?" is just fun. "All you games..." is one of those things that a lot more people have come across on the net but don't know the origin. My brother in law knew what it was and never played video games. It is just a 80's game thing gone modern day pop culture--the past becomes the present--IMO.
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So, when's the voting over? We gonna do a run off, stick with what we got, or let it sit for a few more days?
I've got token money burning a hole in my pocket here...
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voting ends today.......
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Ooh OOh just one more vote for "One Token to Rule Them All" and it's a dead heat.... Go, go, go! I demand a recount. Hanging chads!
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Sigh...
At least I like the graphics...
What's up with the "All your game" votes - Peale?
It keeps going up and down. Hmmmm...
Oh well, the tokens still rock.
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What's up with the "All your game" votes - Peale?
It keeps going up and down. Hmmmm...
People can change their votes.
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FYI the slogan will replace the "All your games are belong to us" that was used as a generic template during the creation of the designs....
Only if 'all your games are belong to us' is voted down.
I'll make sure it is. If I have to stuff the ballot box with thousands of fake accounts, or pay people off with arcadey goodness, it will never see the light of day.
That's why I said that. No problem, though, I accept the decision, and the tokens are still cool. I'm still going to buy some. Next year shall be mine!
Or, I may flood the market with cheap tokens, as part of my plan for world domination!
:)
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I'm 110% sure he said that in jest Havok
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I know - my response was also in jest. Now let's get those tokens done.
When can I place my order?
Did you ship them out yet?
;D
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My fishbowl is crying out for more tokens...I can hear it at night...
(http://retroblast.com/photos/pinball/mods/tokens.jpg)
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My fishbowl is crying out for more tokens...I can hear it at night...
kev,
you should hook me up with some retroblast tokens while I'm waiting to order the BYOAC ones......
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Tell you what:
A Special BYOAC Offer: email or PM me your mailing address -- I'll mail any BYOAC member who asks four RetroBlast/GameRoom tokens.
They're promotional, so I won't be selling them outright, but I'm more than happy to share a few with friends. :)
(http://retroblast.com/photos/misc/rb_grm_token2.jpg)
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SWEET!
That's really a nice gesture Kev. You've got a PM!
EDIT: I emailed you too once I actually "read" your post.... Just disregard one or the other.
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PM's work just as well - just get me your address, one way or another, and I'll mail you a set of tokens.
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Hanging chads!
Hey be nice to Chad...he may be a downer at times :badmood:, but I don't think we need to hang him ;D
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Tell you what:
A Special BYOAC Offer: email or PM me your mailing address -- I'll mail any BYOAC member who asks four RetroBlast/GameRoom tokens.
Dude, that's like a dollars worth of tokens. I can play skeeball for 2 minutes now. ;)
Actually I got my RB tokens at the last auction that was in Atlanta. Kinda cool. Felt like colectors items.
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So it looks like the winners are
"Build. Restore. Play."
"Yesterdays games today"
"Cocktails Anyone?"
I think we've put a lot of great thoughts into this years token.
It seems straight forward from here. Lets get the art finalized so that we can get these going. I'm ready to pre-order!
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I think we need the two artist to get together and decide what slogan goes on what side and add it to their artwork so it's ready for Santoro........
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I think just the top slogan should be used, along with "No Cash Value."
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Pixelhugger is going to bling these up soon and I will have a preorder page up as soon as I clean up one last glitch in my Paypal button code.
Stay tuned. Thanks
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* rubs hands together and cackles *
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I can update the text in my AI file and group all the different depths together this weekend for the cocktail side.
Edit: I emailed Santoro and Pixelhugger the link to the final art.
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Pre-ordering open!
http://www.arcadetokens.com/html/2006_byoac_tokens.html
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JoyMonkey and Arcade5280, can I get the AI's of your artwork with the slogans in place? I think it's "Yesterday's Games Today" on the cab side where the Cocktails Anyone? slogan currently is and No Cash Value at the bottom of JoyMonkeys (leaving the Build. Restore. Play. at the top)
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I can't wait for the final viewing......
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The bling is done, I will host it for a few weeks.
http://www.arcadetokens.com/images/2006TOKENS-4-UPsmall.png (http://www.arcadetokens.com/images/2006TOKENS-4-UPsmall.png)
It is a beautiful thing. :applaud: :applaud:
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The lettering of "build your own arcade controls" and stuff around that side's border seems small.
I know these have already been blinged etc, but I just thought I'd mention it because of the date on last year's tokens being too tiny. I know this text isn't as tiny as the date, but when I compare it to the text on the previous tokens, it definitely looks smaller. It's much smaller than the same text on the 2004 tokens and also smaller than the text on the 2005 (which is smaller than the 2004).
I look at the "build your own arcade controls" on an actual 2005 token and the letters are pretty tightly squeezed together. If this text is going to be even smaller than that, I wonder about its readability.
Just an observation before these get sent to the mint.
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MONEY SENT!!! GIMME GIMME GIMME!!! ;D
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BTW, everyone wants Nickle right? :D
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I went for the combo.
The "if we don't order ..." description was a bit weird there though. It claims that you get 500 of what is ordered. Guess I should hope that either one is not ordered 8)
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gads. Typo, thanks for that. I checked that over many times too.
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gads. Typo, thanks for that. I checked that over many times too.
are we doing anything similar to last year where some folks said they'd take all nickel if it helped the chance of ordering? There was no "official" talk of it last year, but I remember a lot of folks saying it.
I'm in the same boat I was in last year... if given the choice, I'm going to order a 100/100 split, but if 200 nickel means I'd have a better chance at actually getting nickel, i'd do it no problem.
Any opinion on this from you Santoro? If I, say, ordered a split, but your numbers were close to ordering both metals, will you let us know? So maybe some folks could change their orders if they wanted?
Just thinking out loud...
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JoyMonkey and Arcade5280, can I get the AI's of your artwork with the slogans in place? I think it's "Yesterday's Games Today" on the cab side where the Cocktails Anyone? slogan currently is and No Cash Value at the bottom of JoyMonkeys (leaving the Build. Restore. Play. at the top)
Do you still need this? I think I have the editable file at work and can get it on Wednesday if you still do, but it looks like the blinged final drawings are in.
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Hey Santoro,
How many orders do you need to go forward?
How is it going?
Not trying to be a pest, just wanna see those things for real.
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Just ordered some nickel tokens for my "Games of Yore" project. I started the project with perfect timing to be doing it just as this comes to fruition!
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Just ordered some nickel tokens for my "Games of Yore" project. I started the project with perfect timing to be doing it just as this comes to fruition!
your making your cabinet out of apples and oranges??
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We are about 60% of the way there to break on ordering only brass, and 20% to getting both. I will put a post out on Usenet, that might help. The demand comes in waves, I'll bet there will be another surge of orders when everyone gets back in the office on Wednedsay after the US holiday. Lots of slackers goofing off at work around here . ;)
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Uh Oh. :badmood: :censored:
The mint we use raised prices by 16%. I will be looking into 1) negotiating a better price, 2) other suppliers, and 3) pricing adjustments over then next few days. Until then, the ordering site is down.
Those that have already placed preorders will be given an opportunity to get a refund if we decide we need to raise prices. I will email all those affected with options (hopefully) within a week.
I apologize for this hiccough. I will do whatever I can to keep the price as low as I can. I can only guess that Brass prices have gone up significantly... I know precious metals have.
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I apologize for this hiccough. I will do whatever I can to keep the price as low as I can. I can only guess that Brass prices have gone up significantly... I know precious metals have.
No metal is more precious than our precious BYOAC tokens!!!!
Quick math shows that 16% on a 200 count lot is about $5.50. I speak only for myself when I say I'm OK with that. Especially with this years awesome designs. So if that means I have to send a second paypal for the diff, let me know.
They must be using some sort of gas powered minting process. I blame everything else on gas prices so why not this too.
Good luck with the negotiations.
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With some help from Google, I discovered that Brass is made from Copper and Zinc. It seemes that the price of copper in the commodities market has almost tripled since 2004, and zinc has gone up a lot too, so it seems price increases will probably be unavoidable. I am actually surprised they kept the prices where they were through last year.
I will work the new pricing this week and notify everyone. If the pricing redcues demand a lot, it may be harder to reach our break-even. Let's cross our fingers.
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and to think all them investers are touting gold as a investment commodity.....
I'm sticking with brass, the new gold of the BYOAC community :cheers:
one question though.... what about that red brass? has it's prices went up too? one year we will have to do a special edition using red brass, just to give our collection more color........
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I'll pay whatever it costs.
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I'll pay whatever it costs.
well in that case I'm taking all his orders with my much made up inflated price ;D
(I'm kidding for those serious people out there)
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Copper has gone through the roof - network cabling costs have gone up in my field.
With some help from Google, I discovered that Brass is made from Copper and Zinc. It seemes that the price of copper in the commodities market has almost tripled since 2004, and zinc has gone up a lot too, so it seems price increases will probably be unavoidable. I am actually surprised they kept the prices where they were through last year.
I will work the new pricing this week and notify everyone. If the pricing redcues demand a lot, it may be harder to reach our break-even. Let's cross our fingers.
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Not to sound like a total nickel fanboy, but will the nickel prices (from the mint, not to us) be different or lower? I'm not sure what metal they nickel plate for these coins.... is it just nickel plated brass? Or another, maybe cheaper metal?
Just let us know what happens Santoro, I'm going to go out on a limb and say you won't lose many orders because of this unless the price jump gets crazy.
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Not to sound like a total nickel fanboy, but will the nickel prices (from the mint, not to us) be different or lower? I'm not sure what metal they nickel plate for these coins.... is it just nickel plated brass?
I think this is correct.
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Dave you and everyone involved has worked so hard on this project.....so I'm in for for the increase.
Don't sweat it. I think you can be assured we all appreciate your work.
:cheers:
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Yes, I decided to just up the prices, I have been very happy with my supplier, and I already got feedback from a few companies that the price increases are across the board in the industry.
I did spread the price increases out so as to decrease the impact the more you buy. The site is back up for ordering/preordering.
edit: I will sent emails to those who already preordered with a few options tonight.
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I'll pay whatever it costs.
Kremmit has offered to pay the offset for all of us right? ;D
The question is still up, but if the nickle were the coin to be used, is that at a higher cost as well?
I still want em what ever the color. Even if they are yella.
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Nickel Tokens are actually nickel plated brass. The nickel cost differential stayed the same for some reason. My pricing has always been blended rather than maintaining separate prices for the two metals. If we order nickel, my profit margin goes down. At this point in my life that's better for me than the complexity of managing different pricing.
Not to say that I may not do it differently in the future. I am toying with various pricing models in my mind at the moment.... I may move to a slicker cart-based arrangement with 100 lots only, for example. If you want 500, you add five to the cart, etc. To change all that I need to research Cart software, doink around with my paypal shipping settings, etc. I dunno, we'll see.
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All, FYI ARCADE5280 has provided his side with the character spacing increased a bit. I am not going to have it re-blinged for that minor adjustment however.
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I'll pay whatever it costs.
Kremmit has offered to pay the offset for all of us right? ;D
The question is still up, but if the nickle were the coin to be used, is that at a higher cost as well?
I still want em what ever the color. Even if they are yella.
hey what's wrong with the color yella....?
they'll go great with my cabinet
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they'll go great with my cabinet
The cabinet that's all finished and ready to be played on right? :cheers:
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they'll go great with my cabinet
The cabinet that's all finished and ready to be played on right? :cheers:
(http://www.stingraysmadness.com/photohosting/albums/userpics/10048/tommy.gif)
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I'll pay whatever it costs.
Kremmit has offered to pay the offset for all of us right? ;D
The question is still up, but if the nickle were the coin to be used, is that at a higher cost as well?
I still want em what ever the color. Even if they are yella.
hey what's wrong with the color yella....?
they'll go great with my cabinet
;D
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Hey,
What's the current token status? I made an order on like the day the price discrepancy was discovered, yet I haven't gotten an email about it yet. And I got my coin mech working, now I want something to feed it other than quarters :)
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Santoro,
How is it coming? (ok corn factor about to splooge here)...I am getting close to finishing my cab. I would like to crissen it with an official 2006 token when the time comes. Spoze that the original MAME will work too, but would rather it be the 2006.
Yeah yeah yeah....I will serve no dime before it's time and all that...
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I am getting close to finishing my cab. I would like to crissen it with an official 2006 token when the time comes.
over-achiever
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Demand is slower than I had hoped. We are about 12 orders of 200 away from breaking even. I think if we leave it open for a few more weeks we will get there, but the volume is waaay down from last time. I guess my concerns last time about saturating the market were correct, just early.
I also think I made a tactical error by selling 100 lots from the get-go. I usually start with 200 lots then offer 100's later after demand has waned. I won't make that mistake next time.
Keep the faith, I think we can get there. Spread the word! :blah:
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It's the slogan man!
>:D
You'll have my order soon, real life(tm) has taken its toll on me recently...
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:)
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I am getting close to finishing my cab. I would like to crissen it with an official 2006 token when the time comes.
over-achiever
;D
It's the slogan man!
LMAO
All Your Tokens Are Still Belong To Santoro...
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Santoro-
I've always planned on taking another 200 over my initial order. My arcade budget wasn't fat enough the week pre-orders opened up, and sadly it's not now either, but you can count on the order down the line.
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Demand is slower than I had hoped. We are about 12 orders of 200 away from breaking even.
Why not allow those that already ordered to up their order from 100->200 (only $15 more) or maybe even 200->300 to get them sooner? We would need only 24 people to add 100 tokens. Is this a possibility...or would it add to much confusion, Santoro?
Who would add 100 tokens?
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I'd certainly add another 100 to my order. :cheers:
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100 is all I can swing at this point...But count me in - Order placed ;D
Xar256 ;D
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if it will be a 2 - 3 weeks before they are ordered I could possibly scrounge around $15 to bump my order to add 100 of the other metal to my order if needs be....
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I havent been around in a while, but on a whim went to the arcadetokens.com site to see if pre-orders were up \yet... needless to say I placed my pre-order. how is it looking for each of the metals? I hope things work out with this I love my tokens from the previous years, but if your having trouble making demand this time does that mean we are only geting one type?
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There's another 200 for ya...how close are we?
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Thanks all for the orders.
I am 4 from break-even.. I will order in the next few days, that is close enough that I think I will get there for sure eventually.
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Nickle, or Brass?
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I will surely order nickle and brass in the next month or two.
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I am reasonably sure the mint will let me combine this with another nickel order I am placing to get to the 10K minimum. If that is indeed the case, we will have both metals.
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Woo hoo! :cheers:
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Looks like I better order some more tokens (my 2004 and 2005 tokens still look nice and shiny)...
Tokens ordered.
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Any ETA on confirmation of the Nickel tokens? (not to mention the tokens in general)
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Update.
Good news: the order is in, we ordered both Nickel and Brass.
Bad news: The mint is behind and it mght be 3 more weeks before I get the tokens.
Thanks
Dave
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Update.
Good news: the order is in, we ordered both Nickel and Brass.
Yeaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
Bad news: The mint is behind and it mght be 3 more weeks before I get the tokens.
Puckey!!!!
But then again Yeaaaaaaaa!!!!!!
As much as I do not like the word.... woot even... wooot!
Wooooooooooooooot!
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As much as I do not like the word.... woot even... wooot!
Wooooooooooooooot!
w00t is a fine word... u r not teh kewl
oh and (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/photohosting/albums/userpics/10048/woot.gif)
(http://www.stingraysmadness.com/photohosting/albums/userpics/10048/woot.gif)
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WOOT! for nickel.
awesome.
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As much as I do not like the word.... woot even... wooot!
Wooooooooooooooot!
w00t is a fine word... u r not teh kewl
oh and (http://www.stingraysmadness.com/photohosting/albums/userpics/10048/woot.gif)
(http://www.stingraysmadness.com/photohosting/albums/userpics/10048/woot.gif)
Still sore bout the picture eh. ;)
It's ok, I think your kool. You and yer little yella tokens.
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Update.
Good news: the order is in, we ordered both Nickel and Brass.
Bad news: The mint is behind and it mght be 3 more weeks before I get the tokens.
Thanks
Dave
Any word on the mint? Does it look like it's actually going to hit three full weeks or did they get caught up?
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I think it will be another week or week and a half before I get them. Sorry for the wait.
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Not a problem, just curious is all.
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It sounds like you have no control over the wait time so there is nothing to be sorry for. I'm just glad you are doing this for us.
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I am getting in new 'generic tokens' at the same time as these, see here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=57548.0 for details.
excerpt:
If you have ordered 2006 BYOAC tokens and want to order some of the new "Arcade Memories" tokens on top of that order, I will refund duplicated shipping money if I am able to fit both of your orders in one package. Please be sure to include comments on your new token order so we know to make note of it! I am sorry, I cannot replace previously ordered tokens with the new ones because that would put me in the red on the 2006 BYOAC tokens. I just broke even on those.
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Status update on the 2006 tokens we already ordered?
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The mint is driving me crazy.
I was supposed to have lead proofs in hand mid-last week, I just called for an update and they assured me that the proofs will be done tomorrow and they will overnight them to me so I will have them Thursday. Assuming they look OK and I say 'go,' they will take 5-7 business days to make. Add anther 2-3 for shipping so we are still two weeks away from the point where I will be in a position to start shipping.
I will scan/photograph the proofs and post it here as soon as I get them.
Thankfully we have purchased a highfalutin new coin counter so it is no longer a major family project to accurately count tens of thousands of tokens. We have also made dramatic improvements to how we pack and ship them. Instead of using newspaper and like 1/4 roll of clear packing tape, we will be rolling the tokens and putting them inside padded envelopes, and then putting that envelope inside whatever shipping package is required.
This should almost put an end to missing/delayed international token orders. We lost a few orders over the years and my theory is that the jingling attracted thieves/customs/etc.
The good news is that it won't take nearly as long to pack and ship as it has in the past. The bad news is that far-off customers won't be able to enjoy sections of my local small-town newspaper.
I truly do appreciate the patience of all you that put hard-earned money up for the tokens only to be asked to wait. It's almost over.
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does this mean I won't be getting the comic section ths year :hissy:
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Please include your hometown newspaper anyway! You know, for old time's sake?
:notworthy:
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How much for a newspaper with no tokens?
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No more classified ads??!!!! :hissy:
The tokens just aren't the same without them... j/k ;)
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I truly do appreciate the patience of all you that put hard-earned money up for the tokens only to be asked to wait. It's almost over.
Well, when you only break even, and you end up doing it out of "love-of-the-game", you are entitled to quite a bit of slack. Chin up. We'll wait as long as it takes.
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I truly do appreciate the patience of all you that put hard-earned money up for the tokens only to be asked to wait. It's almost over.
Well, when you only break even, and you end up doing it out of "love-of-the-game", you are entitled to quite a bit of slack. Chin up. We'll wait as long as it takes.
Here Here!!! Hear?
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Are they ready yet?
:banghead:
just kidding ;)
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The Proofs are Here!
I think I will be approving them...but the word 'RESTORE' is a little 'smeared' on the top, I am going to have them confirm that's not in the die but a result of a bad stamp. I can't seem to get a good picture of that. If if is screwed up in the die, they may need to rework it.
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awesome.....
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More. You can see the "RESTORE" issue here a little better. Remember that close ups of lead proofs always look 'rough.' Be assured they are very shiny to the eye. The thumbnail is a pretty good representation of how they look.
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YEAH!!!!!!!! :cheers:
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Mint. Ship. Enjoy!
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Quick question, Santoro. I only ordered 100 coins due to budget this go around. If I am in a spot to buy many more later on, am I 'outta luck'. Sounds like we are a fairly small customer to the mint so we have to get everyone together in order to make a single order with them. Is it like that on re-orders?
Just curious.
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There's a 5000 minimum for Brass from the mint, and 10000 for Nickel. If you miss the nickel this time, chances are you will not see them again. Brass could be reordered in the future if there was enough interest. We ordered more 04 BYOACs at one point for example. Truthfully though orders are waay slower now than 2 years ago, proabably due to price increases and a saturated market. I'd be surprised if we re-ordered 06 tokens.
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(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m221/lost_toolz/tokenscopy.jpg)
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:D
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BYOAC tokens are as good as gold (IMHO)!!!
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*drool*
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Was the "restore" just a bad strike on the led proof or is it a bad die?
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Just a bad strike according to the engraver, I approved it based on his assurances.
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Update. The 2006 BYOAC tokens are in transit to me, probably arriving here tomorrow. We will start shipping first-in first-out on Thursday. It may take a few days for us to get the newer orders out, but I would hope we will be able to get them all out by Monday.
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First in first out......
I bet that puts me dead last!!
Oh well, I did not expect them this soon, I guess I better order some new mechs :o
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Update. The 2006 BYOAC tokens are in transit to me, probably arriving here tomorrow. We will start shipping first-in first-out on Thursday. It may take a few days for us to get the newer orders out, but I would hope we will be able to get them all out by Monday.
When I placed my original order, money was a bit scarce. Now that I'm rolling in it (yeah, right ::) ), I have room for more tokens. Since it might be unlikely that we'll be placing another 2006 order, I'm willing to purchase up to 500 of ya'lls 2006 tokens that you ordered and paid for, but would rather you not have spent the money on.
/me should've bit the bullet and bumped his initial order.
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YEAY!!!!! :cheers:
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Update. The 2006 BYOAC tokens are in transit to me, probably arriving here tomorrow. We will start shipping first-in first-out on Thursday. It may take a few days for us to get the newer orders out, but I would hope we will be able to get them all out by Monday.
I'm pretty sure he said he didn't sell out completely of them when he ordered (he's got at least 15,000 tokens, based on his minimums he listed). I'm betting you could probably get them from Santoro =p
When I placed my original order, money was a bit scarce. Now that I'm rolling in it (yeah, right ::) ), I have room for more tokens. Since it might be unlikely that we'll be placing another 2006 order, I'm willing to purchase up to 500 of ya'lls 2006 tokens that you ordered and paid for, but would rather you not have spent the money on.
/me should've bit the bullet and bumped his initial order.
The hell happened the first time there?
Anyway-he said he had a minimum order of 15K tokens and also said that he had COSTS covered, not the full amount. I doubt you'll have any problem bumping your order to 500.
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sweet..... can't wait for the token goodness to arrive.........
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Got Brass today. Nickel may be a few more days. :badmood:
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Tasty storage info: Apparently the container for M&M Mini's is about the perfect size for storing this size token. A little snug, but it works. That is if you need to store them until you have a working coin mech. As a bonus, all the M&Ms that were inside the tube are now inside my tummy. Mmmmm.
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Great idea, that!
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Anyway-he said he had a minimum order of 15K tokens and also said that he had COSTS covered, not the full amount. I doubt you'll have any problem bumping your order to 500.
I can see how you'd draw that conclusion but I actually ordered much less than 15K. I was only able to do that because I ordered the "Arcade Memories Tokens" (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=58198.0) at the same time. As a result we are almost sold out of 2006 tokens already. I took them off the web site for a few days until I get some clarity on exactly what's left. If there is some more demand I can order small lots now that the dies are done.
Stand by for a few days while we get the existing orders out and I will know the deal when that's done, I'll PM In2ishun if we have some left or if we order more.
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Tasty storage info: Apparently the container for M&M Mini's is about the perfect size for storing this size token. A little snug, but it works. That is if you need to store them until you have a working coin mech. As a bonus, all the M&Ms that were inside the tube are now inside my tummy. Mmmmm.
My kids discovered this trick, and now we always buy a couple of tubes of M&M Minis before going to Chuck 'E Cheese, so they can carry their tokens around without the stupid cups they give you there...
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Tasty storage info: Apparently the container for M&M Mini's is about the perfect size for storing this size token. A little snug, but it works. That is if you need to store them until you have a working coin mech. As a bonus, all the M&Ms that were inside the tube are now inside my tummy. Mmmmm.
That's a good tip...like I needed another excuse to buy those addictive little tubes!
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Got Brass today. Nickel may be a few more days. :badmood:
Yeah, Santoro, those suck! Lets just start over and do it again.
Sorry, just kidding.
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My kids discovered this trick, and now we always buy a couple of tubes of M&M Minis before going to Chuck 'E Cheese, so they can carry their tokens around without the stupid cups they give you there...
I have a few of their stupid cups I brought home......
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I went there and they made me wear this stupid cup, so I went home......
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Stand by for a few days while we get the existing orders out and I will know the deal when that's done, I'll PM In2ishun if we have some left or if we order more.
Good stuff. Thanks.
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Got Brass today. Nickel may be a few more days. :badmood:
:'(
Silly me ordering a mixed batch :D Ah well, a couple days aren't going to matter much since I have a couple hundred BYOAC tokens from previous years already.
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Nickel is here. We will count them up tonight and ship - hopefully- all the orders on Monday.
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a tease.
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:hissy:
AAAAHHHHHH!!!!! THEY LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!! <--- screaming like a little girl after sneaking a peak at the pony her daddy is giving her
USPS can't get them to me fast enough!
I'm going to go and buy the finest paper cup I can find to store them in.
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SWEET! I can't wait to get them.
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SWEET! I can't wait to get them.
OK, crap seeing the pretty gold ones is makin me want some of those too. Please let me know if you have enough for an extra set.
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mmmmmm.... token porn...
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cool :cheers: my other tokens may be so jealous of this years design
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My only regret is that I didn't get into this hobby early enough to get nickle tokens from 2004 and 2005-my collection will always feel incomplete =)
Can't wait to add these to the pile-as an aside, have you had a chance to look into those customized candy jars that were mentioned in the beer mug announce thread? Cause I would definately want one if you did, way more than I would want mugs that would probably be too heavy for my cup holders.
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I need a favor, please see here if you ordered Nickel:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=58320.new#new
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I need a favor, please see here if you ordered Nickel:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=58320.new#new
And if we can't remember what we ordered?
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I need a favor, please see here if you ordered Nickel:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=58320.new#new
And if we can't remember what we ordered?
in that case all forgotten orders should go to me :applaud: ;D ;D
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I need a favor, please see here if you ordered Nickel:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=58320.new#new
And if we can't remember what we ordered?
in that case all forgotten orders should go to me :applaud: ;D ;D
Ok... If I get them and can't remember ordering them, I'll send them to you. :)
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And if we can't remember what we ordered?
You ordered 100 Brass. ;)
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Whoohoo! Got mine!! :D
They look great! Both the Arcade Memories and the 2006 BYOAC!
THANX, SANTORO!!
(My token jar is getting full... Sure wish I had something arcade-branded to put these in...)
:D
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Got mine too! The USPS did a good job of trying to lose mine (package beaten up). When I started to open the package some coins fell out! :censored:!!! But, all was found to be OK after I counted the loose tokens and all were still there! Whew!!!
Great job on the tokens this year everybody! :cheers:
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We did different packaging this year... I would be interested to know as people report in whether the coin rolls held together. So far we are 50/50 - that's not so good.
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Oh, KevSteele posted a great pic on Retroblast!, Thanks Kevin!
http://www.retroblast.com/newsitem.php?cid=2518
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Can I buy my 2006 now? or am I too late?
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You are indeed too late for the first round- we sold right out. I *may* order more brass soon. I just need to confirm I won't lose money with the 2nd round of price hikes at the mint.
I wouldn't count on seeing nickel again this year.
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Santoro,
How can I find out if my order shipped yet?
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Santoro,
How can I find out if my order shipped yet?
All US orders shipped Monday and International shipped today. (International takes more manual intervention and waiting on line at the Post Office.)
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Santoro,
How can I find out if my order shipped yet?
All US orders shipped Monday and International shipped today. (International takes more manual intervention and waiting on line at the Post Office.)
Darn, I was gonna order some other tokens from you to put in with my order....
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Khaw...Those are soooooo nice. I am glad I ordered the nickle. BTW Both rolls were in A+ condition. I have such a bad urge to do the cash register thing and crack the thing in half and spill em all. You know for such tiny text, it is very readable. They look so nice. By far the best yet. It is odd that the best batch was the least sold. If people knew how cool these are they would all want some. And no Santoro did not pay me to say such things. These are just great. It is a great design and the slogan...Well it is not One Token to Rule Them All...But it still looks great. :cheers: Cheers. Woot and all that.
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My father said they were delivered yesterday, but I won't get to see them til Friday :banghead:
Oh well.. at least they made it to my house in what dad said was perfect shape.
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Two of the rolls I received were cracked. No tokens escaped from the rolls however. The additional bubble envelope helped I'm sure.
I cannot seem to find the classified ads that are normally with my order... :hissy:
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all 4 of my rolls made it to me in grat shape, and the tokens look awesome.....
If a 2007 is done it'll take alot to beat this years design.......
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3 of my 8 rolls were busted and had coins loose in the packaging.
FORTUNATELY, you double packed everything and there was NO CHANCE of coins escaping! So, no worries!
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If a 2007 is done it'll take alot to beat this years design.......
This is very true!
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I cannot seem to find the classified ads that are normally with my order... :hissy:
I concur! :hissy:
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all coins arrived properly in its rolls. coins look great!
Thanks,
tum
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My shiny goodness arrived, all still rolled. Many thanks.
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They look so nice. By far the best yet. It is odd that the best batch was the least sold.
I agree. These are absolutely stunning. I think the only reason for any less demand would be market saturation from previous years. But if you only buy one year, this should be the one!
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mine arrived as well. 2 rolls, both cracked. but no loose coins.
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They're so purty, I carried one around with me all day today.
Of course, I'm a dork..
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They're so purty, I carried one around with me all day today.
Of course, I'm a dork..
Kremmit...It is ok...You are amoungst friends here. There there...
At work I have the Simpsons Arcade set. I have a Retroblast token, 2 MAME tokens and now 2 of the 2006 tokens on the floor of the arcade.
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The tokens look awesome! The detail is incredible.
Everything was well packaged, but one roll broke open. Thanks Santoro.
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Just received my coins. Packaging was still in one piece. One roll had a slight tear, but no probs there. Delivery is quick to the Netherlands. I feared it might take a lot longer still.
Thanks
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My tokens arrived safely yesterday. Some of the rolls had small tears in the sides, but no tokens leaked out.
Not sure if its been mentioned here already, but they look AWESOME!